Elden Ring Exploits, AI's Role in Learning, and Mastering Careers

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are live, gentlemen, we have survived.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Really, really wish I wouldn't have been clearing my
throat.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
It's a city.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
And we're alive.
Is that a world record?
Interrupt from Kyle.
All right there.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
It was a speed run.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
That was an absolute best.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
The world record right there.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Holy shit, gentlemen, we're live.
We celebrated this weekend.
We got hammered, we survived,we are feeling good, we have
recovered.
We are not young anymore.
Let's put it that way, it tookme.
I'm glad we stopped drinking at6, 37 PM or whatever it was,
because I needed all that timeto the next morning.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, when you start at 11,.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's the strategy.
Yeah, if you're going to have aday like that.
The strategy is starting.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I felt fine by the time I went home, but I stopped
probably about an hour beforeyou guys stopped and who knows
how many more shots.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, I don't know how many.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
you got in that hour, but Dylan, well, you went to
bed.
You said it was the most abrupt.
All right Head to bed boys.
Then he really didn't see himagain I never.
And then Dylan took about anhour and a half nap on the couch
and I cleaned up the kitchen,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
So I'm a nice guy like that, definitely a nice guy
.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was a fun time though.
Yeah, we played Elden.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Ring we did.
We did.
Drunken ring we did.
True to the sport of every timesomeone died and it got a
little crazy and we did not getfar at all, but we did get to
experience some of the bestparts of the game.
We got some grave, we gotfairly far.
Two great room bosses yeah,what would you put?
That's like 20% through thegame, right, that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I mean, that's not that far for being honest.
Like yeah, because of how longthe game actually is, like I, if
you're a newbie and you thinkwow to, I'm making progress when
you put it into context, theycould.
The game can be very long.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, I mean to our credit, though we were doing it
level one fists only, and so wewere, I used a horror loose
stomp only.
Have you seen the?
Have you seen the guy that'sgoing through the game right now
?
Currently that's doing a levelone?
Wretch fist only play through.

(02:16):
Oh my God, it's insane.
I'm pretty sure fire giant tookhim like 10 and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh, that doesn't even sound fun.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Cause you can't pause .

Speaker 1 (02:26):
So what do you do?
You can pause if, like, youread an item description or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
So I don't know if you can do that Like, but yeah,
no, there's no way that wouldwork in a boss fight.
They would just pummel you.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I know there's like if you read an item description,
I'm pretty sure it does pausethe game, really, yeah, but I, I
don't know, maybe it doesn'tpause.
I think it does pause the game.
Like I don't know how thatworks with multiplayer.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
If you can't even just read the description, then
but yeah, like if somebody comesin as an invader, is it just
all of a sudden?
They're frozen until you stopreading the description.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, I don't know.
Well, it's like the same thing.
You can't open your map whenyou're in combat.
Maybe you can't click on it, orsomething.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Oh, good point.
Well, you can definitely clickon items you could definitely
click on items you have to likeread the description, though,
and it will, for whatever reason, actually just be a pause,
interruption on the game.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Really I need some confirmation.
I'm going to try that tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think it's the only way that these guys can get a
mental break after fucking 10hours.
It's crazy, that doesn't evensound fun.
No dude.
No not fire giant.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Like, imagine, feeling like you need to be that
perfect for that long and notmake any mistakes.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, because if he gets hit, once done.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
There's no way you can 10 hours down the drain.
There's no way you could take ahit at level one, soul level
one.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
With probably no armor for Max.
You know region.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I highly doubt you could take a hit from fire giant
.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, and even if yeah, you're right Very
impressive, very impressive, butnothing I would ever try so
many check-backs as mentalhealth.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Nothing I would ever try and do.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Doesn't seem worth it to me, but we do have a long
list of stuff that we do want totalk about.
Yes we do.
Let's talk about a game that weall have been playing here
recently Hell Divers 2.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Me I played it the most out of all of us.
Billy played it a little bitand Kyle got to play a few games
and I played four hours but 20minutes of actual games.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I've watched.
I've played it, I don't know.
Probably I've gone back threedifferent times now and I've
also watched it while I workedthe last couple days.
So it's a fun game.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, it's fun, I mean.
The main issue that if I had tobring up one is just they
didn't expect it to be thispopular, so you can't join.
Right now peak hours, weekendyou can't join a game.
It's like you're waiting in aqueue.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Unless you're a super citizen.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, and then you don't get the XP and the
currency you earn Doesn't applyuntil you log out.
Log back in.
It's kind of weird.
I don't know if they fixed thatover the past weekend, but this
past weekend when we tried toplay we were not, sadly able to.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm pretty sure that is the thing.
Though, if you do the supercitizen thing, do they
prioritize you getting in?
Because my brother-in-lawbought it and I was bitching him
when I saw him this weekendabout all the server issues that
I want to play, but I have beenstruggling to get into play.
He's like, oh, I haven't hadany issues, oh my gosh, it's
like OK, yep, weird, there it isand he got the full fatty.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I wonder if there's some data on that.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't know if there's any grumblings online.
I mean it would make sense youwould want to support the people
.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
that pay more.
I fear you're alreadysupporting them by giving them a
few extra things like in-gameand stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
No, I get it.
It's probably wrong, definitelyFor context the super citizen.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
it's not a full prize game, so the super citizen
edition is the equivalent of afull prize game if you buy that
version.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
But yeah, it's a fun while Kyle looks at it.
It's a fun game.
I played quite a bit of it andjust the whole concept of it I
really enjoy of.
You have these multiple planetsand it's like an instance you
go in and there's a mission.
It's real simple and you'regiven a lot of time and,

(06:33):
depending on what type ofmission, you kind of approach
the mission basically.
But the potential that I seefor it is so cool.
They can now create anythingbasically in that universe, like
they could have you go to anyplanet.
They have multiple and theyhave you try and win it from
these enemy factions and it goesback and forth and I just

(06:55):
really liked it.
They could introduce acompletely new enemy type fairly
easily yeah, oh, dude, easily.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
They already have robots, AI, they have aliens,
which they could literally dowhatever they want with that
right there.
I love the world dynamic of it,where I feel like it makes you
feel like you are a part of alarger group.
When you dive into a world, yousee stratagems going off in the

(07:22):
far, far distance, which Ithought was really cool because
it made it seem like, OK,there's multiple people on this
planet doing missions right nowand there was world bonuses Like
, hey, the AI have gatheredresources and are pushing on
this sector or whatever.
Make sure we go over there andyou can see the world's progress

(07:42):
in terms of liberating orcapturing these planets and
getting those up and you canparticipate in that and have
some fun.
And in the gameplay loop in myopinion, very satisfying you get
that little bit of exploration.
It's not all gas, no break.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
There's a lot of downtime in those missions of
exploring and finding differentstuff, especially the open world
ones, because there are theones like the scientist one and
the destroy all enemies.
Those ones are more confined,like short missions, versus the
ones me and Billy were able todo.
You get placed on this prettymuch open world and you have a

(08:22):
set mission, but then there'soptional objectives, there's
outposts, and you try and get asmuch done as you can within 30,
40 minutes, I think it'susually 40 minutes.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, and I like so far.
I like the progression.
I feel like I've been able tounlock some cool new stratagems
without having to play too much.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Like, as I'm figuring out, I have enough upgrade
materials to unlock some stuffthat I want to try out, and they
sprinkle the world with thosestratagems we were playing.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I was able to find the jump pack just naturally.
As you explore, you found thatcrappy electric gun.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, the arc lightning or whatever.
Yeah, terrible, but the worldfeels fun to explore and it just
seems like a lot of fun.
I don't know how it'sreplayability solo.
I think they need to implementa lot of quality of life items
there to find a group.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Solo, I had no problems with the matchmaking.
Ok, me and Billy, when we wereplaying before you hopped on
Kyle, we found a workaround forthe matchmaking.
What it does right now is, whenyou join a session, it'll kick
the other person out so that youjoin it, and then, as long as
there's an open spot, they canthen join you.

(09:37):
So it's something to yeah.
So if I'm the party, leader.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
With Dylan we join, he will actually join and I'll
get kicked back out.
I'll disconnect.
But then I can join on him toget synced up.
That's how it worked, at leastin ours, yeah.
Well, I did a little diggingthis is no divers too.
Victory.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
It doesn't look.
It seems pretty inconclusive.
On server priority, there'speople that are saying, no
matter what version.
Some people are thinkingpre-orders did it, but now
people that are pre-orderingcan't get in either.
But actually the most commonthing because Arrowhead I think
that's a developer they saidspecifically there is no server
priority.
But people online are startingto think that maybe if you have

(10:21):
a PS5, you're getting in quickerthan a finger on PC.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Could be.
Could be, that is reallysupported by a lot of evidence
and our evidence too, becauseyou were able to get in, I was
able to get in right quick PS5too right.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
But then there's some people saying that Super
Sentent that had no effect.
This still takes some hours toget in.
So I don't know, it's just luckof the draw that night.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, because you've restarted a couple times we're
able to launch.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I would get in literally within 30 seconds.
When I did it that night, Idon't know what that was about.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
So there's definitely some quality of life.
That server capacity, I think,is their biggest uphill battle,
but that's something that'llnormalize very quickly as the
player base just normalizes.
There's a lot of hype behindthis game right now, but they
should address it as soon aspossible Because they want as
many people playing the game andexposed to it.
I also feel like they could dosome.

(11:15):
There can be some work in themovement of the game.
I don't like that.
I'm limited to run like sprintand dive.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I would love a jump mechanic.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well yeah, it's weird .
The only way you can jump Kyleis if you have that jump pack.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I wish that you could just jump normally.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It definitely feels weird in a game to not have like
a, because it has a Z axis.
You can mantle on stuff andclimb up objects.
So it just seems weird thatthat's not like a basic feature,
but they kind of like meme itin the game.
It's like well, how do yousurvive this?
You dive, dive and then diveagain, and then dive again, and

(11:51):
then dive again.
They're like very self-aware oftheir game and it's like they
set out to create a veryspecific game with a very
specific gameplay loop and havefun with it, and they accomplish
that, and I think it's awesomethat they're getting the
recognition that they deserve,because it's a fun game.
Yeah, so I think they canimplement on that stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, and I really want us to actually play it
together once the servers orlike once all those issues go
away, because we truly didn't.
We got to play very littletogether and I felt like if we
dive more into it, help divemore into it.
No, I think we can have fun.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
The game is like we were all talking about it, like
the servers were an issue.
Obviously I had no crashingissues.
It ran very stable.
I'm trying to think.
I didn't have, yeah, I didn'tcrash, just single time I had an
FPS bug once.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Oh yeah, that's right .
And then you backed us out inthe middle of like we were
tracking and we lost our serverqueue and we were just you
ruined my night.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I went to bed angry because of you.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
You did, I think.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
So it runs really well.
The game launches very fast,and then you were talking about
that kind of like.
It just seems like you can getin and evolve very, very quickly
.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
All Sony titles.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, you can boot like extremely fast, true, I
don't know what it is, but theycompared when we were trying to
play the finals, how long ittook for us to join the match
versus Hell Divers.
We were like in the game whenthe servers were not busy.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But the service is what bogs it down.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
But when?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
it's working the way it's supposed to work.
It's extremely quick.
I went from not having loadedat all and in the game within
like 15 seconds.
Yeah, it was really fast, andthis is on PS5, for context.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And I feel like the upgrade, like I like the stuff
that you can build towards and Ilike that you earn.
It's kind of interestingbecause I don't know if I
generally like this Often, butthere's like four or five
different currencies that youcollect by doing these missions.
Right, you get like the youknow the stuff to upgrade your
ship, the stuff to upgrade yourarmors, the stuff to upgrade

(13:54):
like just buy stuff in the shop,and then you get like the
currency to then upgrade likeyour stratogens and stuff.
Like there's a huge.
Each of those are like your owncurrency.
And I'm sure you probably runinto barriers at the end where
it's like, oh man, I've got togrind this specific thing out to
get over that hill.
But right now, at least in theearly game, it's kind of nice

(14:14):
that I can spend my resources toget a couple new things in this
category, spend a couple newthings in this category.
Yeah like it right now feelsreally good to kind of progress
all of those things and not haveto choose.
Well, I want this for my ship,but I want this for my guy too.
So I'm going to prioritize,like I feel, like I'm kind of
across the board advancing.

(14:35):
And it feels really.
It feels really good right now.
It's fun, I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
There's.
I don't think I played it longenough to really get grabbed,
you know, but so far I haven'tlike experienced anything in
that game.
That's where it's made me belike wow, no wonder people love
this Like, and I think it mightthe fact that we're having all
these service use and all thesebugs.
That was warping my opinion onwhat the game really like

(15:05):
actually is.
I do remember thinking like itwas a lot of fun, but I'll like
mainly like for like memes, yeahyeah, you know like have you
ever played an extraction?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
game yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
So, I don't have anything like I think I would
have to reserve judgment and ifI'm able to get in and actually
put in like a good like 10 hoursat least, yeah, before I feel.
That's why I hope we can playtogether again.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
But like I also, I don't like the ship, I don't
like the hub.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I don't like, like it just feels barren and plain and
like I want romance options.
Where's the R?
Yeah, I don't know, I don'tknow, I don't know, I don't know
, I don't know.
I don't know, I don't knowWhere's the R.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Where's Tali?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
But see, that's what like to me is someone who only
cares about the gameplay.
Like it's it shows that alltheir effort for development
went into the gameplay.
Like just the diversity ofworlds that you and I
experienced.
What I experienced, what I'veseen online, Like it's amazing
the different landscapes todifferent enemy types, the
different Different missions,different mission types of like

(16:06):
what you're looking, what you'retrying to collect, the pacing
of it all, and I and I'mobviously joking- about the
romance options.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
But yeah, I do think that there's a way to have a
pretty basic hub world, but it'sstill be somewhat like feeling
more like a community LikeDestiny.
You know their hub.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I wonder if they'll aim for that soon, something
like that.
It's like have a hub world andthen you can fly your ship out
on a mission and then, whenyou're getting ready for the
mission, that like.
Destiny.
Exactly, you know you have thehub world and then when you go
for the mission, you're in space.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Which I get, that that kind of thing is totally, I
guess, not important To a lotof players, but for me it just
did like I don't know.
It's like helps with immersion.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, I could see that, especially like coming
from like your mindset of thegames that you like to play.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I think, I think they could, I think they could
easily bolster out like upcooler ship or I would like if
you can park your ship at thethe Hell Divers Academy and you
could see other people playingin the little Like a like a
little online hub, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
And then there's like I would like that, that would
be kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And there's NPCs that are like that run shops and
trade and trade and That'd bekind of neat, I guess very
similar to like what Destiny?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
is the town like they have like a training grounds
that just like is throwingswaths of enemies at you and you
can try out all the differentstratagems?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I think that'd be kind of cool if they patched
that in at some point.
I think that would help withimmersion for me.
For my sake, I feel like I needsomething like that, because I
feel so unimportant to the worldwhen, like, I'm just on a ship
by myself with a few people thatare just kind of standing there
saying the same thing over andover again, and then you know.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, I mean you, I guess you are.
You're not like the general orwhatever, like you are just the
a Hell Diver they make it veryclear to you that, like you're,
very expendable.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
In the very beginning , Like and I'm like, well, if
these people are so expendable,why do they give them a whole
ass shit when they graduate themost basic boot camps?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I will say, though, that it was one of the more fun
tutorials I've ever played in agame Like I actually was
laughing and enjoying doing it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It was funny, it was well written and it taught you
enough to know like kind of whatthe gameplay is Not so much
like the mission.
We laugh because we wentthrough the boot camp.
And then he's like I've neverseen such skill, like he talks
you up the whole time.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And then the first thing you do is mantle over and
he's like I've never seen suchacrobatic ability.
It's like what?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And then and then we graduated our boot camp, we
joined up and we got our asseshanded to us on the very first
thing we did.
It was just obliteration.
There was no, there was nochill and I was like this is the
worst prep I ever had to facethis Like there's no wonder

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they're so expendable, All thesehell divers diving, diving in
and dying within their fiveseconds.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
They're frozen.
They wake up, get shot down anddie.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's their life Sick.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Sick.
If so, moving on from helldivers to yes to some fun game,
check it out Elden Ring DLCtomorrow at 6 30.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
The trailer.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
The trailer the announcement to the announcement
.
This guy said speculationthoughts.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Is it going to be what when we played through
Elden Ring here?
The opening cinematic iscompletely just pictures.
They do a slow scroll over thepictures.
I wonder the trailer just goingto be pictures?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Just all like thematic art.
Just set the world.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Or are we actually going to get gameplay?

Speaker 1 (19:55):
We are going to get gameplay we might Like.
Not what we might get is likean MP, like a character just
kind of running and it's likepanning around, but I highly
doubt On.
Torn.
We might see, like some of theboss animations, like you know,
like attacking.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
If it's anything like the first trailer for Elden
Ring, it's going to be totallyminuscule, yeah, and not
understand anything.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Because the first one was the millennia versus.
Apparently it's three minutes,the very first trailer.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
No, the very first trailer was literally just like
a narration over the ring, likeand there's epic music playing,
that's right.
And that was like it.
There was no footage ofanything as it was being and it
was like.
And you'd hear the ting and inthe first show you think that
he's building it, but actually Ithink that was like him

(20:45):
shattering it.
But they don't.
You don't know anything, soit's very possible that they do
They've never done that.
Usually, by the time they comeout their DLCs from software,
their first trailers are prettyfleshed out.
There's not a whole lot ofteasing going on, it's just like
.
This is kind of what it is theworld.

(21:05):
Yeah, you know, they've alwaysdone very, very well with their,
with their DLCs.
It's usually the same thing,almost like every time it's you
find a certain object in thegame world and then you like
absorb the memory of that objectand go back in time, and so I

(21:26):
imagine it's going to besomething similar to that, and
Micola is going to have somesome kind of probably his hand.
You walk up to his hand, heprobably go up to his hand, the
one after you beat Moog, and youtouch his hand and you go into
his memory or something Dreams,or something.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's pretty late in the game, though, do they?
How have they done their deal?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
They've always been sectioned off after fairly late.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh OK.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
They want you to play the game first.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah.
They want you to just jump inand try and beat the DLC or get
stuck doing the DLC.
I mean, if you didn't know,like if I went back to play like
Dark Souls you know two orthree or one after all these
years and didn't really rememberthem?
Could I easily walk into a DLCand not really know it?
Or is it pretty obvious?
Like you jump to a whole newtheme.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
It's usually fairly difficult to do it because you
need like a certain object witha key or like you need like
something that'll allow you toget, Like, for instance, in Dark
Souls 2, like the crown DLCsthere's three of them you had to
like you would find like acertain object that allowed that

(22:37):
was a key to an entrance to asecret area.
Like the one DLC was lockedbehind the rotten.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Do players have to find this yeah, or do they
announce it?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
They usually say you'll, they'll be like.
This object unlocks your pathand you got to fucking find it
in the world.
It's not just like they hand itto you.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
And there's probably 10,000 nerds out there going.
What's the name of the object?

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I know exactly where that's at.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's gonna be dropped by this enemy at night time.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it
.
I guarantee you it'll be foundwithin the first couple hours of
being out.
But yeah, usually they don'tjust give you the object, unless
you're buying.
Like a couple years from nowthey're probably going to launch
like the complete edition ofElden Ring and then your
character will just have it inits inventory to start, because
that's usually what they've donewith the other ones in the past
.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And then, what about timelines do you guys think of?
So it's gonna the trailersdropping now.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It would be it's before the shattering, probably
because Mikaela still looksyoung and healthy.
Mikaela also exists as man andwoman at the same time and go
back and forth because we werelooking at the family tree,
right?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
And isn't Mikaela the god of dreams?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Mikaela is like a child, though, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, well, kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Like he, like a young .
I thought he was like a youngchild.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Let's ask Fadi Vidya.
Let's give him a.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm gonna say whatever we see in this trailer,
we are going to get a half hourlong Nicholas.
Fadi, going through like, frameby frame, word by word, what
this means is.
It could be this we willventure into these areas.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
He's one of the Imperiums, so he's not a child.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
He's cursed to be forever young, so he could be
like a thousand years old andstill look like a kid, and
Mikaela's millennia's brotherright, and he's the better
swordsman.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
No millennia's better .

Speaker 3 (24:42):
He was always trying to find a cure for millennia.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Millennia was like born, rotting pretty much in
some of the clothes.
Trying to help her.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Let's see he somewhere.
I thought he's the god ofdreams or he has to do with
dreams.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, that's kind of perfect for a DLC that touches
hand and all of a sudden you getthrown into a.
What do you think?
Where do you think it's goingto take place?
In the ocean area, likeeveryone is aligning the shadow
of the archery.
Where is that?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's in the shadow.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's behind our tree.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's in the shadow.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So after Eldenbeast you have to like go past the
ring, the shadow, sir.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Gideon Offnir said that Micola is alive Because he
has been quoted as not dead butslumbering, and Gideon Offnir
confirmed that.
So he's not actually dead inthat egg and Moga just has him
trapped.
Why didn't we shank him?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't know he's not evil.
Yeah, he didn't do anything tous.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
So he never.
Mogue wanted him to ascend toGodhood and he never was
successful at it.
Because Mogue wanted him to bea god, because as an Imperian I
guess you can, that is somethingyou can do.
You can ascend to Godhood andMogue wanted to be his consort,
but it didn't work out Mogue'sweird man Mogue's a freak.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I love that boss fight, though.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So much so.
Micola's true ability appearsto be the ability to compel
affection from others, so maybethat's why he can appear it as
like any gender, or in like, hehas the ability to make anyone
affectionate towards him.
It's kind of weird, though he'sa little kid.
Yeah, I don't know, it's weird.

(26:36):
It'll be interesting to seewhat they do.
Do you think it'll take placebefore the Shattering?
Ormicola, it was sometime afterthe Shattering that he ended up
getting captured by Mogue, sothere's a lot of room to play.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
There there's a lot of time they could do play with,
I think.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
What if you play as Micola and he plays as a kid
have?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
they ever done that, where you play?
No, you've only ever played asWhatever character you're in.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I do think they have made it so, where certain people
that you thought was going tobe a bad guy was not a bad guy
in the DLC and ended up helpingyou and stuff.
One of the best examples ofkind of twisting the narrative
on its head and you're like, ohshit was in Bloodborne.

(27:30):
They all.
Throughout the game they talkedabout the great hero.
Oh my god, what is his name?
Roderick?
No, not, he's the horse guy,radon.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Oh, shoot with the Moon's great sword.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Ludwig.
So Ludwig was talked about.
He was the greatest of thehunters and he was talked about
as like this is like this legend, and they build them up and
there's a weapon like Ludwig'sHoly Blade, and you can grab it
and it's like one of the bestweapons in the game.
And then, when you do the DLC,you finally find out what
happened to Ludwig and hefucking gets.

(28:11):
He's full on beast form, likehe completely succumbed to the,
the darkness, and he's like halfhorse and it's like.
And when you first see that,you're like, holy shit, like
this is the guy and you're like,if this happened to this guy,
what hope does my character have?
And then you realize maybe I'mjust that bad ass.
I mean, that's how it always is, so like.

(28:34):
I'm just that I wouldn't besurprised if Mikula even ends up
being some kind of final bossLike.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I think it's lining up to be that yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
True form Mikula's, like some crazy beast.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's Moog again.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Moog, again, it's re-skin, no changes.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, they just stretch the model over.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
We get another like morgue, fight Like oh my god.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
And in the snail fight, foul tautish, it's the
snail, does he?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
have any attack at all.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
The snail yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's just magic, I think.
Oh, it actually does have magic?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, I think so.
Cop it, oh my god, bloodborne.
That was such a good moment,though, too, because he's
completely Ludwig, is like fullbeast form, and then, like he
sees the his like old blade, theone that he used to use when he
was a hunter, and he like picksit up and like he like stands
up and he remembers who he is,and then, like he knows, he's

(29:34):
like completely gone, so like hebasically is like asking for an
honorable death and you have tokill him, but he holds the
blade in front of him and he canlike he's cutting off the horse
part and you can only see thehuman part, and it's like holy
shit.
It's such an epic moment, jesus.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And the soundtrack in that part.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, so good Bloodborne was, I wish that game
would get a sequel Now.
Now I mean, don't get me wrongElden Ring, if I'm being honest
with myself, it's still the bestone that FromSelf.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
War did.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
But Bloodborne was.
It was certainly a special gamefor me.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Did Bloodborne have an open ending?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
There were um.
Open for a sequel Did it feellike, yeah, so there's.
Basically there was like threeendings.
There was the ending where yourealize that you're kind of
trapped in the dream and Ghermansays you fought, well, I can
release you, and he kills you,thus waking you up from the

(30:36):
dream nightmare.
And then there's an endingwhere you fight Gherman and you
become the new, like DreamMaster.
Dream, master of the hunters orwhatever.
And then there was an endingwhere, if you eat all the like
fetuses or whatever umbilicalcords, then you can fight the

(31:00):
moon presence, which is likewho's dreaming the dream and you
can end the dream for good.
And that's like thequote-unquote, the best ending,
because the one ending which islike the easy ending, because
you don't have to fight any endbosses, the dream still
continues, you're just not thereanymore.
The second one is like the evilending, because you become Lord
of the Dream, and the third oneis like putting an end to it
once and for all.
Um, so, yes and no, like itcould go on, but if you did,

(31:26):
like the third ending, it's likeover.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well, because, um, what I was thinking is like
Sekiro out of my knowledge,that's the one, uh, souls game
or from software game wherethere was like it all.
It felt pretty hinted at that.
They're like we might work onanother game and tease this
whole, um, how the child, theprince or whatever has to go to

(31:51):
this other land and like youknow, sekiro's, like I'll go
with you and it's like damnAlright, and then then Elden
Ring came out, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
That was that.
That was that Elden Ring istheir new property.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
We're gonna be doing that for a long time.
Every time you say hinting atlike a sequel, my mind always
goes to the end of Batman Beginswhere he's like uh, he's like
talking.
He's like talking aboutescalation.
He's like take this guy, forinstance.
He's a bit of fan of theatricslike you.
He's got a calling card and itshows Joker and he's like, oh,

(32:30):
look into it.
That is like the that is thelike biggest T-up for a sequel.
Like, perfectly done.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You know exactly what's coming.
You know yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Little did we know that we're gonna get like the
best Batman movie ever afterthat, but just go back and watch
that Nickelback trailer.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I can't believe that's real.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
It's so random.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
There's a for the viewers.
There's a Nickelback BatmanBegins trailer that's real and
which song, is it Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
look at this photo.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
No, look at this photograph, damn it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Nickelback did the Spider-Man song too.
I mean the Nickelback's good.
The hero before us not gonnastand in his way is that the
same one maybe?
I don't think that one is inthe Batman.
That would be bad.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
He's just very like very low effort, like they
bought the rights to it they'relike, we gotta use it.
You guys forget how likepopular Nickelback was.
You know what I mean.
They were huge.
That's, and I think they'rememed on because of how popular
they were they really honestly,if we're being real, here,
Nickelback is not that badSomeday.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Someday.
No, that's the name of the weall just want to be big rock
stars.
I'm Batman.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I so see this, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
But timeline as to when you guys think this game is
gonna come out now.
So they're dropping the trailertomorrow, I think 30 tomorrow
morning.
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I'd be incredibly happy if they were like coming
out in one month, but next, ifit's anything like now if it's
anything like theirannouncements in the past, I
think that will probably belucky to get it by holiday
season.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
And how much do you think it's gonna be priced?
At 30 bucks 20.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I'd say 20 probably.
That's pretty standard, I think, for the level of DLC they're
making you think find it.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, you think like how do you think how big is this
DLC gonna be?
You think I?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
don't know if it's anything like their biggest game
.
Yeah, if it's anything liketheir past trends, you usually
can get a lot of.
I mean, you can get like 10hours of story and like 20 hours
for completionist.
But Elden Ring is their biggestgame.
It's also their most profitableproject they've ever done.

(35:03):
I wouldn't be surprised if theylike drop the full on 20 hour
campaign for this.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
It's the someday somehow, that's that one.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's what he said that's like not even a good
choice for Batman.
Begins.
That's so random.
Keep in mind this was preChristopher Nolan, you know,
like he was still relativelyunknown at this time he was just
all the direction.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
some executive producer like don't get me wrong
.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
He put his heart and soul into those Batman movies.
But he also said he only tookthat contract so he can make
enough money to make inception.
That was he said that.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
What is he fucking personally funding these?
Yeah, that's his studio.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Well, that's, that's like Danny Villanueva, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
He personally funded those films.
He didn't know.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
He got it funded by in partnership with Warner Bros,
but you need a certain amountlike you make money as well as a
certain amount of capital.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, he made like a skill in the game.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah.
And so he agreed to make Batmanso that he can make inception.
And then he, because he's sucha, he's so dedicated to his
craft.
He put his heart and soul intothe Batman series.
But he only did it so he canmake inception.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Um Danny Villanueva he only did.
He only did Blade Runner 2049,so he could do Dune.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Same.
Thing.
And that's WB as well.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So maybe it's WB is like give us one of these
projects and maybe yeah, this isa guarantee like can't miss
project, you do that and thenwe'll fund your next one, which
is funny because Blade Runnerflopped hard.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I love that movie.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
And I love that movie , I think it was bad it wasn't
bad at all.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
In fact, the critics loved it.
It just didn't make money WithRyan Gosling, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I just think at the time it probably came out, I
think people were just so donewith like remakes.
Like sequel you know, like Iknow, I just I think the
cyberpunk genre.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's bigger now because of the game, but I think
cyberpunk as a genre was alwayskind of niche anyways.
Yeah, so hard to say, but howdo we have enough on that table?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
So one you'd be excited for one month.
You'd be excited for one monthout that the Elden Ring drops
realistically, I'm thinkingNovember, november, this year.
What are your thoughts?
I'm thinking it's going to beplayable now.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Manifest Download now .

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Get our game battle pass.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Enjoy our three new dungeons Not only, oh god, is
this free, or?
Not only is this out now, it'sfree to anyone who's level 713
and named William.
Oh my god, I did it.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
We know you bought that room, so we're going to
hack your account.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
There's one other guy named.
William Same first and lastname as you, and they have 713
legit.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Sorry you got this close but didn't quite roll it
the other guy looks just likeyou.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Fuck yeah, he just doesn't have glasses.
That's the only difference.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I'll make it clear, though I did pay for, like the.
I paid $3, whatever it was toget the last levels, but I got
to level 450 legit.
That's more than I would evercommit to one thing, so I could
it was literally a just aquality of life fix so I didn't
have to respect ever but I couldliterally whatever build I was
running, I had enough levels tobe 99, whatever affected that
build.
I just got the last level sothat I never had to respect.

(38:49):
And then I beat the game 10times.
I put my fucking I earned that713 dude.
New game plus every quest inthe game done.
I have done every fucking questin that game Every single one.
What's the secret?
One?
You know, Well do you know the?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
secret.
Do you know the secret quest?
I don't know the way, it's theone where you fight the actual
ergery and grows legs.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
There is a legitimate like guide on on Reddit that
somebody like that the communityhad put together and it is long
, long, long, and I have 100% ofit Going back to your question,
though I think I would wish forit to be like coming out next

(39:42):
month.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I think it might even be like April.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm going to say August.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I'm just saying my guess is August.
We'll see.
I'll be pleasantly surprised ifyou're correct.
What's?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
chat think.
I think it's going to drop andit's going to be playable.
Now they're going to have awhole co-op online experience.
They'll have a game pass, thator battle pass that launches
with it and they'll have likevery balanced PvP and then
they'll have like a Fortnitecrossover event, I think at
launch Sounds good.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Star.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Wars.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
There's 100%.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think that's like 90%.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I think it's going to be online PvP only I don't
think there's going to be anystory.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
The End Boss is a 1v1 match against another player.
Yeah, against the current yeah,against the current Elden Lord.
In the game you have to 1v1,but you can only play him and
you have to queue up becausethere's a few million other
players that want to play.
What if they?
What if?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I would be so pissed I would be like that would
literally put from Software asmy favorite developer, so like
my least favorite, in like amatter of one day.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
What if they came out with like a matchmaking system
for, like, they came out with adungeon that was like optional
content?
It was just like their dungeon,but you walked in and it would
matchmake you with other playersdoing it, and then it was like
there was dual mechanics whereyou had to like go in and clear
or whatever and progress throughtogether, and it was made

(41:16):
easier.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
That would never happen, but I'm not interested
in that At all.
I mean, I think that type ofgame would be very successful,
but Well, I would rather themjust say okay, let's do co-op
the whole game, like, let's justhave that be.
I'd rather them do that inElton Ring than here's a
specific dungeon.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Have fun.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I mean, that's up there, ali, though they don't.
They're always like you canonly play multiplayer when we
want you to and that's trueactually.
After that goodbye, Say goodbyeto your friends.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
What about?
What if, tomorrow, like theydrop the trailer and it's like
10 cent, now a Er excuse me fromSoftware Now a 10 cent company
they take?
They've been acquired by likeone of the worst, like one of
the most cancerous.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Epic games?
Yeah, exactly yeah, just likeAmazon game studios.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Just like the most you know, cause they're making a
mobile Like what if that waspart of their announcement that
they were acquired by?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
some gross.
The announcement is of anAmazon TV series.
It's nothing to do with the DLC.
The old Ring of Power.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Not Rings of Power Cause, that's already taken.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Elden Ring of Power Elden.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Ring of Power with the same cast, written by George
R R Martin.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Who do you think, out of all the From Software
protagonists, who do you thinkis the strongest?
Do you think it's the Elden?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I think Sekiro, he's an actual character, he has
dialogue, he actually has.
I just have a.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I feel like I can do some with Vike.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I'm talking about the protagonist specifically, like
the player character.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I don't think any of the Souls games.
That's why I think Sekiro.
He's the only one who talks.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I don't think that he would be able to be lore wise.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Oh, I thought you're going way different with the
question.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, I'm asking who do you think would be the most
powerful From Software?
Protagonist.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
I thought you were saying who could like carry a
show.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh, that's what I was thinking.
I was like Sekiro, because he'sthe only one that has 100%
Sekiro?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I don't think Sekiro.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I feel like the power is the highest in Eldering,
especially with the weapon art.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
What you're fighting.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
You're fighting.
You're fighting gods Extraterrestrial Elderich beings.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I think the Elden Lord, the one who's the most
varnished, is probably thestrongest.
I would argue that the Hunterfrom Bloodborne is You're
fighting gods and that going too.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
But how strong is he in real life, outside of the
dream?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
How strong is that?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
pistol?
We can't gauge that, becausethe whole game takes place in
the Nightmare.
Is he like?

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Is he completely like ?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Oh, it's fancy land.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Atrofeed, atrofeed, thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Is this like Spy Kids 3D, when you get out of the
game and all the kids are whattheir characters are at all?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
They're Mike as well.
You remember the fucking plotfor Spy Kids 3D.
I do that was a good movie.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
One of my favorite parts.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I thought it was hilarious when Frodo dies.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
He's like level 999.
He literally is like I'm theguy.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
And it's like this big, like holy shit, this is the
guy.
And then he goes into the finalarena and gets blown up, nuked,
and his last word is like Oops.
And then he just dies.
That was one of the funniest,is this?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
when you fight the thumbs.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
That was the first one.
The thumbs are on their side inthis one.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
It's been probably about 15 years, maybe 20 years,
since I've seen.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Spy Kids Should Spy Adults come out?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
No, god no.
Why not, because right when yousaid that, I'm thinking of
Dwayne the Rock Johnson doingjust like a terrible cameo.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Just their regular cast.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
According to oh God, just literally remaking it with
the same people.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, bring them back as adults.
It's a sequel.
It's not a remake, becauseMachete they got Danny Trejo.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Danny Trejo.
According to thegamercom, theyranked it number 7 as the slayer
of demons from Demon's Souls.
Number 6 would be the ChosenUndead from Dark Souls.
Number 5 would be the Ashen Onefrom Dark Souls 3.
Number 4 would be Bear of theCurse from Dark Souls.
2.
Number 3 would be Sekiro.
Wow.
Number 2 would be the Hunter.

(45:49):
Number 1 is the.
Tarnished.
I didn't expect Sekiro to be upthere that much.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
But I guess he fucking he pairs everything.
You got His sword is like deathincarnate.
He also got to think of thecaliber.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I think they based that decision on the types of
bosses you fight.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, you fight a god , you fight a dragon, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Now I want Elden Ring to be out tomorrow.
Let's just put that.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Elden Rings out right now.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
DLC okay you gotta clarify.
That's what I want.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
You want it to be like, or at least you know like
I was so happy when we werewatching that PlayStation
showcase and God of War was like, by the way, this free
expansion next week, it's likeoh what.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't know.
That would be awesome if theydid that.
It's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I just don't see it happening think of the lamest,
most boring, most honest likepath.
That's the one they're takingthey're gonna say it.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I think that will be like like I said.
I think we'll be like we get itby holiday season here.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I'm hoping I think they probably have one person in
marketing in that whole company.
No, it's like they just built abrand games exactly oh they do
and we love them for it andthey're good at it.
But there's a part of me thatlikes to be teased.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, well, don't we all?
Well, you're gonna be tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, exactly, I'll be teased tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I hate me.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, I hate being teased, that that's.
I'm actually saying theopposite, given I.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Just need to be, I just need to have it here and
now just need to finish.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
What if they came out ?
What if they came out the DLC?
It was a hundred dollars.
I would buy it.
I'd buy it a hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Mm-hmm, I would need to know what it is.
It's very pee, only I would notbuy it like I, I have a lot of
loyalty to from software, butnot just blind, dumb loyalty you
get one, like I.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Like I said, you get one, and then I'll even forgive
people after one, depending onwell you get one for me to be
like blind about it like it'slike oh, you're making it.
It's gonna be a fun game.
I'll chat, definitely.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Oh, you mean so like from softwares earned at least
one blind?
Yeah, where it's like okay.
I'll trust you, and then I'llgo and then I'll go, and then
they lose, and then it's like,okay, now I'm watching you with
an eye.
No always.
That's how I think that'spretty fair.
So I felt probably about aspectabout about buyer, where yeah.
They had one for me and thenthey lost it and I luckily

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didn't pre-order anthem becauseof it.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
You see what buyer wears up too lately.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
No, I don't really care.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
No, it doesn't sound like anything good from what did
you see the recent comments oflike their new survival game or
whatever?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
New survival game.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I'm pretty sure it's a survival game that they're
making and it's dragon I thoughtthey were working on dragon.
I thought they were two.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And then mass fact it's arc, but in dragon age
universe.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
They were talking about it and he was saying
basically they're only gonnacharge 40 bucks worth, Okay so
sure this is by aware.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I'm pretty sure is it Obsidian Avowed?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
no, Well, you know our new game.
We wanted to talk aboutFantastic Four.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Dread will.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, while Kyle looks us up and we'll put a
quick pin in it once he findshis answer.
Fantastic four we were right.
That leak was correct.
Pedro Pascal is now mr.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Fantastic.
You know we're gonna be talkingabout this in like two years
when we see that for three years, I mean this happens and be a
good job.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I like he probably is , yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
But I, just as of right now, he does not sell he
does not sir fantastic me?
A fantastic.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I'll be more interested in seeing who's gonna
play dr Doom.
It's weird.
It's a period piece too.
I guess it takes place in likethe 60s.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
That's what it looks, the yeah well, how is he gonna
have like any?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
or is that?
Or is that just rumor?
That's based on that.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's a rumor, but people are saying that that
seems like it's gonna be pretty.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
But so we have.
Pedro Pascal is mr Fantastic,vanessa Kirby as Sue storm.
I think she's great castingthey have the guy who played.
I had his name right before westart the metalhead from
stranger things.
God, I hate this.
I had it, but yeah, he's.
He's playing Johnny Storm andthen Ben Grimm.

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The thing is played by the guyfrom the bear, or no, it's some
other guy.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, I don't.
I think that that's like a 75%good casting.
Yeah have you.
I okay, I'd have nothingagainst Pedro Pascal, but I
think that his, from what I'veseen from him, he doesn't lend
Like a good mr Fantastic to mejust yet.
We'll see what happens.
I mean, this is a big role tostep into.

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This Mr Fantastic is, like, hasall the potential to be like
Tony Stark level big if donecorrectly, and I just don't know
if I, if I buy the 100% justyet.
I really hate that they didn'tjust Continue on with John
Krasinski, because now his wholetime is just a meme.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Joseph Quinn, joseph is the guy that played the
rocker?
No, and then ebb and moss back,rack is Is the guy that's
playing the thing?
What?

Speaker 4 (51:19):
he's in the bear.
It's last thing.
He is in the bear, back, backback BACH RACH.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
But rock bark rock back.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Rook back.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
He's in the Punisher.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
He was in the TV show , so now this is messing with
the can.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
He's all CG I.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Mean, I was the by work.
No, you know, he actually cameout today.
I.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, I looked it up and all I saw was a dread wolf,
which is a dragon age game.
So I have no idea, maybe thisis like their B team that did
this.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Oh, maybe like yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
But yeah, I don't know, we'll see.
I'll be interested to see howthey cast Victor von Doom.
That'll be the more importantthing for me.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Could you guys tell in that image was that, was that
supposed to be Like doom in theastronaut suit, or I think
that's been grim.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I think it was.
Yeah, that didn't look likedoom to me.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
No, yeah, so that that was officially announced,
the casting there.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Have you seen that meme where it's Pedro Pascal and
they like they Photoshopped hisface onto Thanos and he's like
collecting all the stones?
And he has, like Star Wars,last of us, game of Thrones,
marvel, like he has all of likethe the fandoms.
He's slowly DC, like he'sslowly conquering all the

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fandoms.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I like that.
So I mean I have, I'm Not superexcited, but I'm not not
excited.
I want to see the trailerbecause I like Pedro.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, and, like I said, we'regonna be sitting here when we
watch it and go, hey, I did agreat job.
Yeah, but it just on thesurface, it's what.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I do Hope my.
My biggest thing, though, is Ihope that they are putting good
writers on this movie, notwhatever crap.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
They're a team was in their eight teams sucks.
Now I need a new marvels.
Whoever did.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Loki.
Well, yeah whoever Loki, andthat's perfect if it's period
piece, that's kind of like.
You know, that's I the Loki.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
They had like very intelligent writing like that's
perfect for them to.
You know, throw on to this forthis guy.
I, yes, use them.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Did they?
Did they announce who's doingit?
Like I?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
don't know who's writing it yeah writing or
directing.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Who is writing and directing?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
While Kyle looks at up.
How do these things get leaked?
Well, that was remember, thatwas sack after.
After the actors guild.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, they just that was a screen actors guild Just
big, a big whoopsy by theirmarketing department went live
with the tweet and they're likethere was a I seen some like
other people where they like itwas up someone running for a
political party, where they hadtheir assistant queue up the
full next week's list of tweets,which is like random shit and

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they timed them.
They didn't set the time.
They like cute them all up aslike drasdrever and I guess what
something happened.
They all went out at the sametime, so like like they're a
whole week's worth of tweetsthat were like very like hey,
we're checking out this grouptoday and you know, come join us
, whatever like all went out.
All went out at the same timeand it was just like, oh my god,
this shit, it everybody triesto over automate and their lives

(54:47):
, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
So that's probably why that that fan or not fan art
, but that art was released, isbecause they're like well.
I mean, people think they knowabout it.
Should we just tell them yeah,let's just announce it.
Interesting find anything, kyle?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, the director is Matt shakeman.
He so far in Marvel.
He was the showrunner for Wandavision.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
He also did a couple episodes of Game of Thrones and
a bunch of TV shows it lookslike, but as far as Marvel goes,
he did all the Wanda vision.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Wanda vision wasn't bad.
I there was some flaws in thewriting, but like as far as the
show itself, that doesn't giveme super hyped.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, honest with like I didn't dislike Wanda
vision, but it wasn't like thisperson needs to do all the
Marvel like.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I would be yeah, I would be more worried if it was
like this guy did miss mark ormiss Marvel.
I'd be like this guy did Secretinvasion for love.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
that, oh god, please not secret invasion.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Yeah, so at least he did one of the okay.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Well, you know, it's funny is like I Don't even know.
I feel like everybody's processmight be different.
There's some processes thatwork better than others.
But like remember how hypedpeople were when and I never
understood it cuz I never reallyhad seen this stuff, but like
taiko ITV.
Yeah people were like when hewas announced it was like, oh my
god.
And then he ended up just kindof creating some really average

(56:31):
Films like I mean he was sofucking.
I remember it was like everyonewas simping so hard.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I'm like alright for Ragnarok was Even though I think
I've expressed this before Ihonestly think it was overrated.
Yes, but I don't think um, thatwas very.
I think so that was verybeloved by the the fan base.
I just I didn't like that theytook such.
If they had done that to anyother Thor story I would have

(56:57):
been okay, but like, that's likea really like intense dark
story arc.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Dude, it was sad as shit what was happening, but
they made it.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
They almost made a joke out of it.
Like Thor is almost like a memenow.
He's not like the same Thor.
Well, I thought life wasdestroyed, and then they pumped
that up to like 50 and love andthunder.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
But see, I don't know how much of that Cuz you.
The thing with Thor Ragnarokthat you guys are, I feel like
you guys are doing now, isyou're adding the context of
Infinity War and love andthunder that movie by itself,
because how much control do youthink taika had of Infinity War

(57:38):
in any game, like with that Thorwith the eye?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Oh no yeah, so because.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Taika set it up to where Thor was on a ship with
his family.
He lost an eye and it was adark ending.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I felt that way about Thor, though, before that movie
and game even came out.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I also think that Thor is a potentially phenomenal
storyline because you see himtruly going through the emotions
of what just fucking happened.
Yeah, but I never felt like IMean his planet is getting
consumed, his dad is dead, hegets thrown into another fucking

(58:14):
world where he's like totallygiven up on anything and lost
and like he's been dumped.
You know, like like everythingbad has happened to this guy's
lost everything and he's likethe most powerful character and
all this stuff and like he can'the can't even, you know,
control anything around him.
And it just came across as likethis, like I I never felt the

(58:37):
full depth and maybe it was alimitation on his acting or
something I couldn't buy fullyinto it, but I never felt the
emotion of or the weight of whatwas really going on, because it
was like I was constantlyflooded with cheap, you know gag
jokes but I feel like that thatwas set up to be the next movie
, but then it was undercut byInfinity War, an endgame.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I actually think the opposite.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I think it's propped up because of where it came out
at that.
To me, that era right there wasthe Best of Marvel and I think
it's propped up because it and Ithink the best version of Thor
we've ever gotten is InfinityWar Thor well, I do think there
he's, he's sad and he's, youknow, he's more emotional and
that was built up from ragdrock.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, but he acted different in Infinity War than
he did in ragdrock.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I.
I think it's a per, I think itmakes sense to me.
I'm not saying the arc doesn'tmake sense.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
The arc makes perfect sense.
I just don't like the emotionaltone they went with during it
and I think that it's okay to belike have some levity and have.
But Thor comes across as likebipolar because of how Yanked
around his character.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Well, definitely, I see that's, I think that in Love
and Thunder, but I don't thinkragdrock.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I think ragdrock, it was too much of a tonal shift
from the and I'm not saying thatit obviously worked for a
majority of the fans, but likehe went from it was too much.
The shift was too grad, itwasn't gradual enough.
It was like Thor went from.
You know the Thor we know, andthe his first like five outing,

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solve sudden ragdrock.
He was like they really playedup the fact that Chris Hemsworth
is is good at comedy, mm-hmm,and he played it very well.
And don't get me wrong, when Iwatched that movie.
There's a lot of moments that Ithink are Hilarious.
I love the like, some of thecomedy in that, but I would have
Much rather I, I would haverather have kept that kind of

(01:00:38):
stuff to, like the Guardians orlike I think there's there are
characters that that just fitsbetter with than Thor.
Okay, that's, that's me.
And then Love and Thunder.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Um took it to like 12 .

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Love and Thunder did it the way they did it because
and again, I was a fan of Loveand Thunder, like after came out
like I liked it.
But the reason they went in thedirection they went is because
they're like oh man, peopleloved ragdrock, let's amp that
up to 10 and I enjoyed thatmovie.
But on the flip side of that, Iwas one of the few that did

(01:01:15):
because of, because of how.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
How far removed yeah, there's story we can movies to
watch.
You know like we could becritical, like they're still
Thor, love and Thunder is stilllike a fun Because it's set in
the universe that we all knowand appreciate and love and
stuff I got.
But you know, and maybe I'mjust like a simp for power, but
you know I would have liked tosee a little bit more on Odin's
death.
You know, like in the, inRagnarok, like in the the you

(01:01:41):
just have a hard on bro, I havesimp for power, like I said.
So you know, and then, like Idon't know, hella was cool, but
she was just kind of likecranked to 11 in terms of just
like one-track mind.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I thought she could have also didn't like how they
killed off main characters withlike little to no remorse.
There was no.
Their entire army and ragdrock.
They killed his whole crew, hisentire army.
See, you don't even rememberthat, because they made it such
a not big deal in that movie.
They weren't a big deal, that'snot.
That's not their fault, that'sthe writer's fault.

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They could have made them a bigdeal because there's so much
better.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah, because um Sif is still.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
She's a big deal and then they made a joke out of her
in the next movie and he's like, you know, you don't actually
go to Bahá'u'lláh or whatever ifyou don't die in battle.
She's like what she's likebleeding out, you know, like I
don't know.
I just feel like there's, um,it could have been, and then
they merged the planet hulk kindof Esk storyline and that, and

(01:02:47):
I felt like that was Could havebeen done a little better.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Um, Do you think we'll ever get a hulk movie?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, it's coming, I think yeah they just got the
rights back.
Right, they did.
I think it's coming and I thinkit's going to be probably the
best hulk film that we've everhad.
What are they going to do with?
Like, my guess.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
How are they going to handle Mark Ruffalo's character
arc to?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
like revert him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
I don't think are they going to revert him back
somehow?

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I don't think the next hulk that we see is
probably.
I think it's going to be like,um, almost like the like joker,
you know, like where it's likeits own thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It's its own thing.
Oh, I think it is going to be apart of the.
You think, so you, the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I think.
I think what the fans wouldlove like that could just
reignite a lot of passion Isjust an all out fucking.
Not an origin story.
For the love of god, don't doanother origin story.
We've seen too many of thatshit.
But like when it's just hulktotally unhinged, maybe some
alien planet, maybe something onearth, but like just

(01:03:47):
Innihilating with the best CGI.
I'm over smart hulk stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Yeah, so that's why I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I think they can do it in a way that, like hulk
needs the power and he's, hispower levels are capped as smart
hulk, and so he needs to fullyembrace the beast.
Um, that would be.
That would be entertaining, andpretty fun.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I think they could have him get married.
They could kill off his family.
That might be it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
And then he fully embraces, braces the beast and
he basically takes on all theavengers and all of earth.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Get a world war, or what is that one called?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
That's world war hulk , I think so.
Yeah, I'll be interested to seewhat they do with x-men now as
well x-men 97.
The crazy thing about MCU Is allof their best characters Were
not owned by them, so they hadto launch the MCU with all these

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b level characters who now haverightfully been pushed up to
like triple a status characters.
But, like, iron man was a blevel character, but they had no
choice because they didn't havespider-man, they didn't have
fantastic four, they didn't havex-men, and now that marvel has
all of those characters back,their potential is like

(01:05:07):
unlimited.
Some of the best story arcsthat have ever been written have
been x-men stories, fantasticfour stories, and they just
weren't allowed to do it becausethey didn't have the characters
, and so they were forced tomake good stories out of all
these other characters thatpeople didn't really even.
You know, a safer like Thor andCaptain America.
People didn't really care aboutthose characters.
You know and so like, if theyjust released like one really

(01:05:30):
fucking good x-men movie andfantastic four movie, that would
be enough to save the MCUbecause it's dying right now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I I do hope they put their best writers.
They put those low-key writerson and know their value like and
stop promoting whoever else iswriting these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Chat gbt.
Well, do you wonder?

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
like what movies do you think we had that came out,
that were affected by that?
That writer strike.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Literally probably anything in the last three years
.
So Like so that would makesense.
No, any show.
I mean.
Think about how.
Think about how dull.
Like Oppenheimer came out, thatwas good.
Right, barbie movie, that wasgood.
I never ended up seeing it, buteveryone that's all it said it
was really good.

(01:06:19):
Um, movies have been kind ofdull.
Tv shows I haven't heardanybody come up.
You know, like when you seesomebody like oh my god, you
have to watch like Game ofThrones breaking bad, yeah, that
level of like it always feelslike there's there should, at
least historically my whole life.
There's always like one showgoing on that like you know that

(01:06:39):
if you you throw a flip a coininto a room you're gonna find,
you know, 40% of the people arewatching it at that time it was
like x-files and then right.
Yeah it's like lost.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Yeah, lost was a great example Walking dead,
walking dead.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yes, um and Thrones of course.
I don't know if we have one ofthose right now.
I don't know if like the way, Ialso feel like tv shows are
different now I would argue Iguess, stranger, stranger things
.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I was gonna say that yeah, it was pretty, that's done
.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah it's in my mind it's done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Well, there you heard , it's like a walking dead.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
It's turning into the walking dead.
Well, like, what are they gonnado?
They're gonna be I think of mein fucking high school, and
they're all 35 years old.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Did you?
Did you watch the last season?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yes, you know how it ends.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Mm-hmm, terribly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
The upside down's coming to the right side up, oh
no.
Oh god, so they're gonna be inhigh school.
How High school is destroyed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
No more school.
School's out forever.
School's out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Oh summer.
Alice Cooper playing though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I yeah.
So stranger things sure, but Ijust feel like we've had such
here's the thing too back in theday like game of thrones was
maybe a little bit differentbecause but it was still once a
year, you got a season strangerthings though we have, like what
a two-year gap.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
You know what I also think it is.
It's not that show quality hasreally diminished that much.
I think in a lot of ways it'simproved.
But, there's content way toomuch now.
Yeah, so like people.
Up until like, up until likeall the streaming services took
over.
Um, you were very like.
You had like five shows tochoose from and one of them was

(01:08:21):
like the one.
Yeah, um, now it's like you canhave 15 different shows, high
quality.
Uh, but you, you're so all overthe place.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
You're not gonna get a lot of fall into.
Add to that mix.
You now have anime.
Look at attack on titan.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
It's huge.
Anybody who like they don'teven need to know about anime
and they're like, yeah, attackon titan, everybody knows that
even they don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah, I know attack and I Never seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Don't know anything about anime everyone's seen
pictures of those giant.
You know, meat creatures.
Yeah, like they don't have toknow anything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
There's things that like transcend their genre and I
just I don't know if we havelike Stranger things.
I think is probably the mostapplicable, but, like I said,
there's been such droughts inthat, in their cadence of
release, that I I don't know ifyou can equate that like there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I feel like there's been a few that have tried Like
for one.
One that comes into my mind isI remember hearing a lot about
white lotus.
I never watched it, but Iremember where I worked like I
remember.
Everyone was watching andpeople were talking about it,
but I haven't really heard ofanything since.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Ballers on HBO between the wakata.
Yes, I don't know, man, it's uh, it's interesting.
So I think there's just waiting.
I think there's a perfectopportunity.
But, like how I said, there'sjust so much fucking content out
there I don't have.
I don't know.
Maybe that's a good thing thatmore people are you.
You would think that might,maybe more people are involved.

(01:09:51):
But maybe the quality I don'tknow if the quality, I don't
think it's a quality issue.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I think it's just a phenomenon, cultural phenomenon
too much Like, because I, like Isaid, I would argue that tv
shows now um are much higherquality and, uh, better written
than they were in the 90s and2000s, like on average they're
just like Now it's back.

(01:10:18):
Then it was like rare to see amovie actor Even dare touch a tv
show, because it was just amuch lower level.
Yeah, you know now it's veryit's very common for people to
go interchangeably back andforth because tv has just gotten
so much.
It's higher budget, it's higherquality, it's just too much
like that's.

(01:10:38):
I think that's probably marvel,don't get me wrong.
They have diminishing qualityas well, but there's so much
they're losing it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Well, and now we're on the where you're on the edge
press of this ai, and I thinkthis ai stuff specifically with
what like the text, prompt intocreating a video To name that
project, sora sora yeah by openai.
Um, some of the stuff that I'veseen from like and seeing their,

(01:11:05):
their, their text prompt Cancompletely transform a lot of
b-roll or just like transitionshots for these comp these films
with Extremely high quality.
I mean, just think about like,think about what it's required,
like, let's say, you want to geta shot for your film right and
like, just watch a film and justfast forward and pause at any

(01:11:27):
point You're like Okay, someonehad to design this set.
How much work, how muchmanpower went into designing it,
to translating the director'svision Into something that could
be written down that someonecan then act on and build a
landscape for and get it all setup.
Rent the space to do so, buythe props to do so set it up,

(01:11:47):
operate the equipment to film it.
Get the lighting, the timeinvolved, like, think about all
that time and then think aboutliterally typing a, a text
prompt, hitting enter, and in amatter of minutes you have 4k
footage of exactly what is inyour vision.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
There's going to be an animator strengths as well.
This is gonna have to set someground rules on what you can
that way spider versus gonna bepushed out six more years For
part two, it'll get canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
It'll get shells, because it'll never get but like
we think we have a lot ofcontent now, think about how
much content is going to be onthe internet that, like, is just
literally ai on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
It's almost kind of scary in a way like this, seeing
how well the Sora program works.
When it works Like it's, it'slike practically
indistinguishable from like areal video.
It's almost like we're gonnaget to the point where it's
gonna be very it's gonna beimpossible to know what what's

(01:12:47):
real and what it's crazy.
And it's like that didn'treally hit me until I started
watching these videos where I'mlike, even like the deep fake
stuff, like it didn't scare me.
Yeah and like Ai is a tool, islike.
I always thought it was morefascinating and scary, but
seeing this video I'm like Wow,so they just do whatever they
want, and it's here, and it'shere.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's not like the future and think about where
like they always gonna getbetter.
That was mean like where wewere a year ago, right, which is
the will smith eating spaghetti, which is like kind of crazy
images.
One year later, we're here andit's one year practically
flawless.
Like and the only.
There's some of those clipsthat I see because there's been
so many more to come out thatI'm like watching it and I'm

(01:13:33):
like I don't.
I don't see what's not real.
No, like this looks so good Ifin fact, it looks almost, maybe
it's it's too good, that likeit's it's too perfect too clean
yeah like because, like the one,did you see the one where they
created a movie trailer for likean alien, like a 30 year old
alien On the surface of likemars, on like a, on like a

(01:13:57):
surface of a sandy planet.
That was like the text promptthat they provided and it was
like this guy wearing like ahelmet and he was like running.
Now, his running looked alittle awkward, but the close-up
shots of his face and theshadows and the landscapes that
it built on this foreign planetWere unfucking believable.
The one that gets me believable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I found it here.
This one gets me.
Uh, it's a dog.
The text prompt was like acolor for a window surrounded by
colorful buildings in bruno,italy, and a Dalmatian comes out
.
Um see, if you can just go toSora, it's like on their main
page oh there, it is right there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
I mean you gotta mute this here.
Yeah, I'll share my secondscreen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
So here it is like, like that's crazy that you give
it a prompt and it doessomething that well and it's
like, maybe it like look at theshadowing, look at the shadowing
of this, like yes.

(01:15:05):
When you blow it up and youlook at it, okay, maybe you
could pick out some things, butlike that's pretty crazy find
that space one like the yeah,it's.
It's insane, just go to their,go to their is this?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
it open AI sort of videos.
The golden retrievers have youseen this?

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
giant cat king.
I want us, you, we need to dothat one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Four days ago.
You've seen this one right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Yeah, I mean, let's just like Now their faces kind
of look like they're changingsizes a little bit.
But like if you, if this wasshared in a group chat, you
wouldn't think twice, youwouldn't?

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
yeah, I think no, it's a, you wouldn't be looking
for the flaws, unless you weretold it's AI.
And then you like, oh, okay, Ican kind of see this and that.
But if you're like, oh, look atmy dogs.
You're like, oh, that's cute,and then you wouldn't think
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
This one.
So it's like he's on a.
He's on an astronaut, like thetext prompt was.
He's like a.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Create me a movie trailer for his walk looks a
little awkward.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Like, look at the look at the visual Fidel.
This guy doesn't exist.
Yeah it's wild, this guy doesnot exist.
Like, look at the look at thedetail on his face.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Yeah, that looks like a real person like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
What engine does this AI use?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
I didn't read that, like I don't think there is an
engine, I think it's just a datamodel of combining images.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
It's combining images .

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Great that's do the wild of the giant cat king.
Which one.
Is it a very top?
Yes, first one 74 views.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Why haven't I blown up like what?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
one day ago and this has 74 views.
So like this is totallyridiculous and what's?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
crazy too is like that looks like Tim Burton's,
but Allison Wonderland yeah,like and this can be generated
by a textbook.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
I think about, like the effort involved to create
this before you know, justmanually.
Yeah, it's not like.
Yeah looks ridiculous, but likeif your film was designed wow,
this looks actually verymenacing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
That would scare the hell out of giant cat the way he
steps forward, starts walkingtowards them at the end here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Now it'd be interesting how they do audio.
I don't know how, if they let'swhat's have you seen this
though?
So this is the stuff that's bad.
So here, watch this.
All the play.
Attention to their hands, payattention to their hands.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah, I saw it like it's kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
That's unreal right what's their first video?

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
her face is a little creepy too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
This first one know, the very first one they uploaded
.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Oh, this is the one that went viral, super viral.
She's walking through to likethat.
What was the text from?
Here we go.
A stylish woman walks down aTokyo Street filled with Warm,
glowing neon and animated citysignage.
She wears a black leatherjacket, long red dress in black
boots and carries a black purse.
She wears sunglasses and redlipstick.

(01:18:09):
She walks confidently andcasually.
The street is damp andreflective, creating a mirror
effect of colorful lights.
Many pedestrians walk about.
That's the prompt.
Two or three senses and theyget this.
Look at the reflection, look atthe detail of reflections, you

(01:18:35):
know.
And this guy, like this guy'skind of walking a little weird,
you know, you can her ankles area little weird.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yeah, you look at her ankles like, if you know you
wouldn't think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
What even?
We're looking specifically forthe flaws because we know it,
that sign like that Japanesesign right there, that looks
like a real street sign.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
This one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Mean look at the tech detail on the on the buildings.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Their reflection in the her freckles and like zits
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
It's so wild, it's just this is, and this is now.
This is now where this will be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Exactly.
This is not it.
This doesn't end like this isnot 5000, what well?
Probably went viral on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Okay, I don't know.
Openai sort of videos isactually their channel.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I think this might be like source yeah, it was posted
on their website.
I think the people are justripping it, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
But yeah, that's, that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
That's the first time I've ever thought, I've ever
had feelings of maybe a littleIntimidation like imagine.
Imagine just the world of likeyeah, that's the first time I've
ever felt that I was watchingthese videos.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Anybody can be you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Well, so that Kyle was talking about this earlier
and you follow pirate software,right that?
Guy that does that he talkedabout in one of his videos About
how he has a Agreement with hisbanks all of his banking stuff
that any transaction he has tobe in person yet you do not do
anything over the phone for meis his agreement because he

(01:20:26):
could be duped too easily.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Yeah, and they set that up with with him.
But they do that with his bankbecause of how easy it is,
especially his voice, how easyit is for someone to program his
voice and all they need to knowis a few bits of information
about him and they could doanything they want over the
phone.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
So like, yeah, anybody can be you, anybody
could make any type of video ofyou like.
So you know, like catfish,somebody could catfish somebody
else they could put you in pornLike you could.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
They could blackmail wasn't there a whole thing with
that streamer chick that she wasgetting yes, she was getting
deep, faked onto like porn starsand stuff, yeah, and like it
was a huge deal and like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Just imagine that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
So imagine how devastating though Be have your,
your likeness, put ontosomething like that, you know
and your family sees it and like, and they don't your grandma's
not gonna know that's AI.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
She's like what is this AI?
How?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
could you do this to me, like you know, like that's
lying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
You're going to know how we're like we are going to
have to Almost relearn how wemake assessments about people
and things that we read online.
Like there's just gonna be amassive learning curve.
Like, okay, not only can I justsee something posted online, I
have to really pay attention tothe source.

(01:21:49):
Is it posted by the person thatsent this?
Otherwise, is it fake?

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yeah you know and I don't know when we Rip our
episodes to put it on ourSpotify and all our stuff.
It's ironic because I've gottenso lazy that, like the last,
like 30 episodes, thedescription has always been
written by AI and they're a Iyeah, they're AI.

(01:22:14):
It listens to our Episode andit writes a description based on
that.
Most of the time it hits themark.
Every now and then it's prettywild like it.
It gravitates towards thingsthat we didn't even really talk
about that much you know.
But I always put a disclaimer.
I always say the followingdescription is written by AI,
because I don't want anyone tothink Otherwise, like I don't

(01:22:36):
know if that's silly of me to dothat, but I always put that
disclaimer on there because it'sjust weird.
I'm using it strictly as a tool, but I want people to know I
didn't write that.
You know that that was some AIthat listened to us and wrote a
description for I think it'ssuper valid.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
No how are we gonna combat it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
I'm assuming that there will be.
These algorithms are going tohave like fingerprints through
how they generate their, liketheir models.
There'll be.
You know, it's an algorithm,right?
So there's some pattern to itand I would assume that, just
like we have community notes onTwitter, something that where,
like people can combat fake newsby, you know, limiting the

(01:23:16):
spread of bad articles that are,like, hey, factually incorrect,
I think we will have likeembedded tools in our social
media that says this hasreceived a 17% AI score you know
, or this is received, someeverything's gonna have to get
rated like that, just so we knowis like our current AI rating

(01:23:36):
capabilities suck ass.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Yeah like you can take anything written in Jap GPT
.
You run it through somethingthat says it can detect AI.
It tells you like there's about40% chance.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, it's like detect.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, I can't Imagine being in college right now,
being a professor, you would notbe able to trust anything.
Imagine being it well, like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Not only that, but I honestly think that Universities
need to know that, like thesetools are not going away.
Yeah, you really think that yousaying at all and you have to
like, like you're.
I don't know if you're gonna beable to really like, especially
with text, right, I don't knowhow you can confirm that.

(01:24:18):
Now they have like AI and anticopyright stuff.
Basically they, they just sawhow much you would repurpose
from the internet and they wouldcheck, like the top sites that
kids would research from, and ifif they copy and pasted it and
it was pretty fine, you were,you could.
At first it was totally blindyou, you would submit it and
then if you got flagged you werefucked.
Then they said, okay, we'llgive you your score before you

(01:24:40):
upload it so you can like reviseit and I'm like, okay, that
makes a lot more sense.
And then they can boom, youknow, you can, you can make the,
the assessment yourself.
Now it's like If I'm auniversity, because it like this
is a tool, this is like Excel,this is like outlook, word,
whatever, whatever tools thatalmost every job that uses a
computer leverage, here's thething to add on to Billy word.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
It now has a built in built in AI.
Ai to like let me, we canfinish that sentence.
We can make it a little bitmore professional for you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
No, enhance, enhance, enhance.
That exists now right and so,like, if I'm a university, I'm
seriously going like all right.
How do we not only Know thatthis changes here, but how do we
embrace it?
How do we train kids toleverage this to make themselves
better?

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
How do we keep original thought Like that's the
goal of a college now is, howdo you teach people how to think
instead of just use?

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
But that I mean that's the problem with school
in, in my opinion.
In general, school's alwaysbeen about memorization, so
that's always been a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah, how do you teach someone and you don't
really get to the point of likebeing taught how to think and
tell you like get to collegelevel?
Yeah, to college, yeah but it'sgonna be more important now
than ever.
And, yes, embrace, use thistool, use it to help you, but as
the tools get better, so shouldthe expectations on you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Yeah, you know that's super valid.
Right like before, I wouldn'tbe expected to transform
thousands of rows of data inExcel or, like you know, by on
paper, but now I have a toollike Excel.
Now your expectation is you cando that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Yeah, see.
So I wonder if they'd be like,okay, now right at 20 page 20
page essay, and it has like.
You have to read through it andit has to make sense.
Like but it's gonna be 20 pages.
You can use chat, gpt.
I can see that being a veryreal course of action that way
it still forces the student toread through it to make sure
that the Topics and the whatit's writing makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
I guess yeah, but like again, though.
Then now you're takingsomething like Just because
you've written more doesn't makeit more valuable, right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
You know 10 pages or two.
You know I had.
I had many assignments incollege where I had to write 10
pages.
Yeah, I don't know if I wrote20 pages, if it would be twice
as good.
You know what I mean, or like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
That's like you need them to commit more time.
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
I think you'd be less about like page length and more
about Like you would need.
Basically, everything would belike a dissertation at a certain
point, all right, maybe not,you know.
Freshman level, welcome tocollege?
Yeah, you know, but like I,just I, I don't know how they

(01:27:32):
would gauge the quality per se,but I do think that it is going
to increase and the expectationson you are gonna get a lot
higher.
It's the same, you know, likethere's a lot of math now,
that's, we have a lot of toolsthat help us better at math.
That, like they just didn'texpect students to know 50 years

(01:27:54):
ago, because they just couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
I wonder Do you think we'll reach the point where
maybe they get rid of essays?
Because, like, this is just howI'm thinking about it I I'm
going to online College, wgu,and here's the thing yes, I can
write an essay with chat, gpt,but the kicker is I have to take
a test.
Yeah and my quiz is based on myknowledge, I, you can't use

(01:28:21):
chat, gpt and it, so it's like Iwonder if they just say you
know what?
Let's get the essays.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Well, they're becoming obsolete based on this,
this tool, or I don't know, atleast in my experience, the
essay has really not been aboutthe source material, like the.
The context of what you'rediscussing or talking about is
probably the least importantpart.
I think what why a lot ofeducation, education gravitates
towards that is because you haveto take in this much

(01:28:51):
information, consolidate it down, organize your thoughts and put
together an argument and aconversation.
You know, or what are they?
What was the type of Essay?
Writing like declarative or Idon't remember what the?
term was, but basically like it,some kind of discussion type
essay where you've organizedyour thoughts, you've broken it

(01:29:12):
down, compiled it down into,grouped it like there is a lot
of critical thinking that goesinto how you're gonna organize
that.
That's out the window.
Now, yeah, these throat like,not only like.
Not only do you not need to dothat, like you could, you can
just jam out what you want andthen click like organize, and it
will organize it Perfectly inthe way that it should be
grouped, and then the kid can goback in there and adjust To

(01:29:35):
give you an idea on how I use AIand how I think would be super
effective way to use it forstudents and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I Will still do the work.
Recently I was on.
I was searching for a job.
I would Plug in.
What I did is I I created likea cover letter, I created a 30,
60, 90 and I plug that in tochat GPT.
I said use this information I'mproviding you and make it

(01:30:07):
approachable, easy to understandand high quality for a Whatever
feel that was going for.
And then it spat back outsomething.
It was what I did, but theyadded all those elements that I
said and it made it better.
Yeah, and it made it.
I did that to my resume, I didthat to my cover letter and I
did that to my 30, 60, 90 andwhat it gave me was still me

(01:30:31):
because it was all the points Imade, but it made it sound like
way better and I could easilysee someone writing a three-page
essay, giving it some kind ofsimilar prompt as that and then
spitting out a Better version ofwhat you just wrote that makes
all the same points.
Yeah so like the question iswhat are we losing when we do

(01:30:52):
stuff like that?
Like, are we losing?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
No, we gain anything I think we are losing.
We're losing the ability oflike, of being Like, creative
solving when writing like howimportant is that skill though?
I think it is.
I like Basic human speech.
Yeah you know I agree, I'm not,I'm done playing devils at it,

(01:31:16):
but yeah so I think it'simportant, because Writing, you
know, in a lot of ways for a lotof kids and stuff, is kind of
how you learn Basic grammar.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Now we got words like really also we've talked about
this before but, like I thinkall my thoughts come Across my
brain, is written like or isspoken like, I have a very deep
Conversation with myself as Ithink through anything like it's
, and it's in word form, likeit's a discussion.
Yeah, it's not just like I havethis thought and I'm kind of

(01:31:49):
just thinking, it is like I'mactually talking to myself, and
so I think you're right, likewhen you don't have the ability
to Organize your thoughts, well,keep you know, keep on track
with what you're trying to thinkand accomplish and using the
correct words and ideas toformulate.
But like at the same time, whatif it's given to you?

(01:32:12):
You take it and then yougenerate it and then you read it
and then you're like, oh, likedoes how mile sticky is that?
Now?
I think, like if you, if you're,if it's your initial work,
right, and you created thisoriginal piece of art, you know,
and then it's a word documentand then it gets revised to be
cleaned up and you're like, wow,this is really impressive.
You'll read through that.

(01:32:33):
I think there will be somesticking to now, because all
those are your thoughts.
They're just organized in abetter way of like, oh I that's
a great idea to put it like that.
Now it's stuck in there.
If that maybe in the next timeyou think you just organically
think to do it that way.
So there's some benefit theremaybe.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
I hope, billy, but I have very little faith that.
But every will not take theeasiest route possible.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Oh, we definitely will, and that's that's always
going to be.
Always gonna, absolutely.
But I wonder if, like you,could make the exact same
argument, going from pen topaper, to typewriter, to excel,
or to a word to auto correct,like think about all those
little.
I mean that's, that's alllittle flavors in that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
I do think this is the biggest jump.
Though I would agree and I'mnot just saying that because
that's the air we're in I dothink this got the biggest job.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
You think there was like one auto correct him out?
There was I.
Now people won't know, I knowfor a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
People are saying now , people won't even know how to
spell.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
You know, because absolutely correct.
Yeah, so like them, which istrue, we didn't exist what?

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
what happens to this?

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
The library.
You know, kids don't even go tothe library.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
This is the source salesman, you'll be out of a job
.
Think of all the thousands ofpeople.
Yeah, it's always somethingright, and I do agree, kyle,
it's absolutely the largest jump, because it's like you can take
, sorry I wasn't saying it rightcuz I was like the source, but
yeah, yeah.

(01:34:11):
I don't even fucking know thepsychopathy because you know
either of you ever used anencyclopedia?

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
ever cool.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
When?
When was the last time you usethe?

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Probably high school.
Shut the fuck up shut the frontdoor.
Yeah, I used it for an art.
What had his tear out?
A page of pain.
Okay, dude.
All right, that doesn't care,not even close.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
My parents had a really nice encyclopedia said
that I used to.
My dad would challenge me toLearn something new every night
when I was a kid.
That's awesome, but I mean Istopped doing that probably when
I was like 12.
Maybe that's pretty late,that's pretty yeah and by then
the internet had.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Already pretty prominent you know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
So it wasn't, it was like a thing.
But yeah, I would say like Idon't think I was ever required
to like in in college.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
I wasn't required to use an encyclopedia like no, I
don't know.
So I just think I don't evenknow if I know how to cite that.
I mean cuz this can create abook I tell jet PT to help me
site it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Yeah, put this in the .
Mla format for me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Cuz this.
Like these programs canessentially Create original
works and we've never been ableto do that.
Like you can give it basicprompts and it make us all.
Yeah, something.
Yeah, and we've never been ableto create.
It's been.
We've always been able to editand clean up.
We've never been able to create, and now we're getting to that.
So it'll be interesting, Ithink.

(01:35:43):
I'm with I'm always optimisticwith new technologies that, like
, if it is truly bad, they willweed themselves out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
It's here, whether you like it or not, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
One solution that I can think of.
That I see, I kind of maybe see.
Emp colleges, yes, ampereColleges.
Going towards is maybe whenyou're writing an essay, they
have some program that doesn'tallow paste.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
I think probably already have.
That just has to be all text,like you have to use it in our
program enter each key.
Can't use word.
Yeah, but I see I see a lot ofin-class activity as well again,
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I just think that is going to be the downfall of
education if they try to go thatroute.
Because, again and we'vealready seen it with like
computer programs.
Like I got a finance degree andI was never once trained in
Excel.
That is a fucking problem.
Yeah fucking problem now.
I hope to God that they fixthat, but there's no reason why

(01:36:43):
in 2016, 2017, I graduate fromcollege and I get I don't have
any experience in Excel.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
You didn't do is 101 and make a poster on access.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Dude, I did do is 101 and, like the Excel assignment
there was like Hit, control Tand create a table and then take
a screenshot of that and that'syour Excel experience, dude.
It was so bad.
I did.
I forget.
I told you the story before.
I'll never forget my first.
This is a true story doing I'venever told you.

(01:37:16):
Sorry.
I walked in is 101 and at thetime I was like Peak fucking PC
gamer.
I dude.
I was like I lived on acomputer.
I sit down in this class and itwas like right before work and
it's an afternoon class and wesit down and like the professor
is Browsing the internet and shehits control plus, you know

(01:37:38):
which like to zoom it into, likethe screen, and it was a
classroom with an auditorium oflike there's probably 300 kids
in the classroom.
It's a big, put big classroomand she zooms in and I'm no joke
like 50% of the class audiblyGas when she showed this is
probably 2012, 2013 audiblygasps.

(01:38:01):
When she zooms in with controlplus and and she's like yes, yes
, yes, this is the kind of stuffthat we are going to learn in
this class, dylan, I shit younot.
I grabbed my backpack andwalked out.
The next time I attended thatclass was the final.
I Got an A.
That's one of my proudestmoments in all of these.

(01:38:26):
Like college, I was like, okay,this is exactly what this class
me.
All right, see you and I'm not.
I'm not even exact.
I literally walked out of thatclassroom.
I was like I'm not sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
I took I just want to love your brother.
I mean him.
I don't even really rememberthat class.
We were just kind of fuckingoff all time but One of the
funniest moments I have, like Iremember from that class, is our
professor.
He Couldn't figure out how tocontrol his own computer, oh no

(01:39:02):
he could know he was like mymouse isn't working.
I don't understand.
He's teaching, IS he couldn't?
He's like I don't get it.
He calls in IT to come help him.
The dude shows up.
It's like some like you know,18 year old kid that works in
college IT and he comes in andhe plugs in the guy's mouse.

(01:39:25):
Oh my god it was unplugged.
Oh my god, it was unplugged andI looked at your brother and I
was like this guy's fuckingteach you know, said he used
computers and we both startedlaughing.
But I'm like that's an actual.
And I was like this guy's like70 years old, look who's.
Yeah, dude, why this?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
is the worst possible .
He's probably.
He's probably like English litteacher that they're like teach
this IS class.
I know, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Guarantee you, it was some existing professor I
probably taught like corehumanities and they're like does
anyone not use a computer?
And he's like I'll do it like Icare, as long as I got somebody
to plug in my mouse for me I'llbe good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Well, like in my interpretation of because IS,
the IS courses were required.
I think I even had.
I think you had to take 101,102 and then like 301.
I think that was.
If you got a business degree.
I think you had to take thosethree minimum and and Like IS
101 and 102.
They were like basic programs,like it was like one, was like I

(01:40:26):
, 102 was like Photoshop 101 wasliterally like access Excel
Word, like it was like stufflike that like super basic, but
like Almost, just knowing, likewhat the name of the program did
, like.
That's the level of depth.
Yeah they went to.
And then 301 was more.
It was interesting.

(01:40:47):
I I wish I could attend it withthe knowledge I had.
Now I think I would get a lotmore out of it, because all 301
tried to teach me was like theInstitutional name, like what is
a CRM?
What is an ERP system?
What is like this is anenterprise solution.
What does that mean?
How do these things getadministered across a network

(01:41:07):
like that?
It was much more of like anenterprise level course of like
Terminologies and I thought,like, looking back, I was like
Probably should have paid betterattention in that class because
I probably would have gottensomething out of it.
But at the time it was justlike it was so fucking.
I mean I had worked as a busboy.

(01:41:27):
You know, like you're readingabout this, you're like I don't
know how I apply this knowledge,but sure you know I'll memorize
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
That was actually one of my 301 was actually one of
my favorite courses because itwas the projects in there were
so much fun.
But yeah, I asked in general.
I was not like kids who weregraduating with that degree.
I'm like Good luck, it was an,it was an information.
It was like I.
It was an information Like jobthat you would try to get it

(01:41:57):
from the call like so, like atechnology to base job you would
expect to get with a from a,the College of Business, not
like engineering school oranything, yeah, and it's just
like you know what realitythat's so bad, what that degree
is most commonly used for.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
McDonald's being an auditor of what Just in general
IRS, no, like like an internalauditor for like banks and Stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Yeah, if you have like a bunch of compliance.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
They have.
I can see the degree in.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
IS, but like it was just.
I think a lot of kids took thatbecause they thought they were
gonna go and get like Sometechnical developer job or
whatever and knitted not workout that way, I'm gonna go work
in Silicon Valley.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Yeah, look at what degree you're caught like what
college your degree is in, andthat'll tell you how it's gonna
be applicable.
If it's a business degree, youcan.
I mean, having a degree isbetter than no degree, for sure.
But like it's not anengineering degree, like it's
not, you know, it's a differentthing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
So different, and I think that's.
I think the colleges do such apoor job of communicating that,
no, I'll never.
I'll never forget this storytoo.
Senior year, taking portfoliomanagement 490, I for 495 or
And I'm in the class and I'mthe first day that the professor
goes around and asks each kidOkay, you know where you at?

(01:43:23):
Like, what, what year are youand what do you like, hope to do
?
Like, what first job do youwant?
Yeah, there's 30 kids in thisclassroom.
All of us are either senior orseniors.
Like graduating that semester,and he went around.
I was the second to last personthat he got to.
Just the way he worked aroundthe room, and I Am not even

(01:43:47):
kidding, I was the only one togive an answer.
Now, I don't know if anybodygave a fuck about it, but that
just struck me as wild is likeyou know what, what, what year
are you and what job?
In every single person saidsenior and I don't know, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
They're fucking.
Six months away from graduatingand every literally like 30
grand later.
I don't know every single kidhad no idea what job they were
going or what, and I was theonly one I said at the time I
wanted to be a pricing analystbecause I really like I Really
liked that idea and I ended upin gauging.

(01:44:24):
What's funny enough is I saidthat answer and I ended up
engaging with the professorafter class at the end of the
year and that's how that was whogave me my first job, and it
just blew me away that all ofthese kids were just.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
They were just going through the motions Like, wow,
this guy answered me, he's theonly one that's got a future.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Fucking make something up like investments,
but just say something.
And I don't know if it, like it, became a meme at some point.
And I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Look at us.
We're fucking idiots.
You know they're all like intheir 30s now.
What are they doing?
You know like dude it was.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
That was such a lesson for me and and yeah, I
was just like these people havethey are literally have no, no
idea.
They're just following the steps.
They were told to go to college.
They were told Finance is thehighest paying job.
You know, if you, if you,unless you want to be an
engineer, okay, and that's whythey did it and I, that's why
half the kids were there, Iguarantee it, but none of them

(01:45:23):
had thought of anything pastthat there are so many people
that go to school, get degreesand and literally do absolutely
nothing with it, because theyonly did that because that's
what was expected of them, notbecause they actually had a
future in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
I'm not trying to shit on people that are Not
utilizing their degree.
That's not what I mean.
I'm just saying like there's somany people that Got a degree
because they were told that'swhat they have to do one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Yeah, when I worked at the bank with Kyle there was
I worked in this branch andthere was at least three people
I worked with that had degrees.
One had a degree in criminaljustice, the other had a degree

(01:46:09):
in business administration and Iforget what.
The third one, but they weretellers.
Yeah, they were tellers at abank and and I was a teller and
I don't have any so stupiddegree and I was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
I was like Like I'll work with people that have like
degrees and like business adminor like economics and so, and
like I'll ask them, I'm like,why are you a teller right now?
Why?
And they're like I thought thatyou had to work your way up and
I'm like you have your degree.
That's the whole point.
Is you're supposed to be ableto skip like five of these
things?
Like like, what is your career?

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
path.
What the fuck?
Where does teller take you?
That you could only achievewhat was the?
And they don't think about it.
Yeah, they like they could puntthat thought for four or five
years by going to college andthen they become comfortable and
happy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Mm-hmm, and again and then the world, world fucked me
if that's what you want to do,that's totally 100% fine.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
I find that to not be the majority of people, though,
that truly want to do that, andgo and get a degree and become
a fucking teller.
There's no, but like I rememberwhen I worked.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
It's cuz they.
It's like they're not told.
Well exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
There's not a plan.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
There's not a plan, they go.
Why?
I guess Banking is the lowestrisk.
Yeah, that's a.
That's a financial fieldrespect.
Why can't I wear?

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
a suit.
Well, I don't know what thesolution is, but I don't think
school preps you to be ready forthat, like I it took my opinion
, schools.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
That's not the responsibility of the school,
though.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Maybe not, but well, that's why I'm saying I'm not
sure how they'd fix it, but Ithink Get something to get them
started thinking about it,because I didn't start thinking
about it till after you know,till, like I was almost about to
graduate high school and ittook me years to, like, finally
figure out what I wanted to do.
And I just I would have wishedthat somehow I, I, some, some

(01:48:06):
way that could have gottenthrough to me sooner.
That way I would have had moredrive to go to college when I
fresh graduated high schoolRight, because I graduated high
school and I went right intoworking, and that was because I
didn't know what I wanted to do,right, and I just I always I
felt I was hard on myselfbecause I saw people go into
college.
I was like, how the fuck dothey know?

(01:48:27):
I don't, and I think that a lotof people don't know, and I
don't necessarily think it's aschool's job, but that is where
we spend most of our Problem isis that we yeah, we have to
commit to that, like I all thetime.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
Yeah, you know, it's a very common question to ask a
12 year old what do you want tobe when?
You go yeah it's like holy shit.
Yeah, my the rest of my life youknow and and what I had some
eyes by the time I was 18 andready to go off to college was
like Okay, I don't think anybodyhas an answer to this.
So what do I like?
I like computers.
What is the quality of lifethat I want?
I don't want to be in thefucking field Crankin wrenches,

(01:49:03):
fucking up my back, whatever.
Like.
I want to be a desk dweller,chillin, and I'd love to.
I'd love the idea of workingfrom home.
That'd be fucking cool.
Okay, computers.
Okay, I'll get into that shit.
Boom, and I did.
Well, that's how.
That's sort of how I started mycollege career what if they had
more, almost more likeinternship?

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
because the thing for me, the catalyst for me,
finding out what I wanted to dowas seeing it be done and Like
yeah, what happened to the goodold days and you could just
apprentice under something tobecome?

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Such dipshits and, like he's, don't want to deal
with it.
They have that test.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
I remember I took that test and I think it was
high school, where it's likethis is the job you have based
on your, on you I don't knowsome BS personality test that
told you your job.
I was gonna be a forest rangeris what it said.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Hey, you know what I wanted to be a forest ranger.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
I still kind of want to do it, but that was my dad's
dream job, and then he became aprinter.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
He became a printer, the enemy of the forest ranger.
Funny how life has this youknow and.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I talk about College degrees as if I just think that
if people have a degree, thatthey should just I Don't, I'm
maybe I'm not coming acrossbecause I also I also feel like
just because you have a degree,that doesn't mean that you
should just be put in the frontof the line of like a lot of
different types of jobs.
And in fact, when I interviewpeople, like in the environment

(01:50:31):
I work at, if they have a degree, what that tells me is that
they can at least have theirshit together for four or five,
six years and they can Meettasks and they could do them
well enough to pass and thatputs in, that gives them an edge
over other candidates.
But I don't generally just say,oh, this person has their
degree, that must mean thatthey're gonna be fantastic at

(01:50:53):
this role, because in allactuality, I Would say that
everyone I've worked with thatit has a degree.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Some of them are great, but there's a lot that
really are not good At their jobwell and remember we don't live
in a world where, like, you getwhat you deserve Just because
you went to college, like youdon't.
You just deserve a better jobor, like you said, they'd be in
the front of the line.
We live in an open marketsystem.
So what does that mean?
Well, guess what, when youflood the market with great

(01:51:22):
labor, which is, like you know,qualified bachelor degree labor,
and you have millions of youngkids who are In dead up to their
eyeballs, who are willing totake lower paying jobs, like
because of it's so competitive,because there's such a pool of
assets to pull from or such apool of talent to choose from,
well, guess what now companieslike they're going to.

(01:51:45):
That's why, when you you see alot of that buried entry of like
Requires a bachelor's degree,requires a bachelor's degree.
Requires it.
Why do they say that?
It's because there's so manyfreaking people out there with
bachelor's degrees that they canhire them.
Start them off at $35,000 ayear and they'll they have no
problem Finding people that'llfill that role and mainly, I

(01:52:05):
just want to get the pointacross that I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
It came across as if I was like, like I'm shitting on
people for working entry-leveljobs with a degree.
That's not really what I meant.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
I don't think I didn't take it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Okay, I just want to make sure that that's not how it
sounded.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Yeah, I didn't take it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
You've absolutely lost no respect for me if you're
working an entry-level job witha degree.
I'm just saying that there aresome people that don't realize
what they could be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Well, I think to.
I think the point that we'reall trying to make and with that
sentiment, is like the ideathat you've gone through all the
difficulty which is to get adegree, you've gone through the
debt, you've gone through thetime four years, five years in a
lot of cases and you got to theend and you still didn't answer
the question of, like, what doI want to do?

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
I think that's ultimately what we were saying
is like yeah how did you end uphere?

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
And it's like you know, like is that?
Was that really your path?
You're like okay, I'm gonnagraduate college and become a
teller.
Like no, no, I don't thinkthat's what we're talking about.
Like it's the idea that You'venow punted this here, 22, 23
years old, graduating fromcollege, and you still haven't
answered the question of likewhere do I want to start?
Like, at some point, you dojust have to pick.
At some point, you do just haveto pick and start accumulating

(01:53:19):
skills.
You're not getting any youngerand you, like you just got to go
find something and oftentimes,there that you will be.
Once you're standing in a newspot, there will be a whole new
avenue of knowledge that you'relike I didn't even know that
this existed and I kind of likethat niche and allow yourself to
find meaning and fulfillment inthat niche, because you know

(01:53:40):
all the time like I'll, likeI'll learn about this new area
that exists and you're like Ihad no idea all this shit
existed in there and you canpick stuff.
You know, like you can buildyour own career path.
Just start somewhere that youthink might be interesting and,
if it works out, continuepursuing it and keep.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Keep your mind open to pursuing new things and to
Daniel's point, some of the mostsuccessful people I know don't
have a degree.
I mean, there's plenty ofpeople I know that make a whole
lot more than then.
Then I do without degrees, andyou know, I don't have my degree

(01:54:21):
.
I just.
I do feel like, though, that Ihad to work at something a lot
harder and longer than Maybe Iwould have if I had, if I had
finished.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Yeah, but now, like at the this point we're almost
all 30 like it's all a wash atthis point, because now you have
experience.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Yeah, I think at the end of the day, it college
degrees they don't.
They don't open doors for youlike they say they do.
I think they give you the key.
It's still up to you whether ornot you're gonna turn that and
be successful at that.
It's it's not just they opendoors for you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
I think there's a little bit more to it than that
and I think there are like someopportunities that are just
always going to be gated Behindthat secondary education.
Oh, definitely.
Engineering, doctors, stuff likethat, like you're going to have
to play the game to get intothere, because the truth is, the
skills that you do learn incollege apply heavily to those
fields, like nurse doctorsitting, sitting in a cubicle on

(01:55:19):
A computer all day, like doingwork, like the skills that you
learn in college to be able togo through that stress and that
Structure and and come out theother side.
I think that's very applicableto that life.
Now there's some people whocan't thrive in that life and
they need to be in the fielddoing things.
No but like I think so I thinkthey're always going to be gate
kept.
A look some fields.

(01:55:40):
I'm gonna be gate kept behindthat degree and that's fine.
I want the doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
I talked to have a college.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Yeah, with multiple postgraduate levels like I want
a Psychologist.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
I talked to to.
You know, have a certain levelof schooling under there.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
So, yeah, there are fields that it's like you know
with you know, a constructionworker.
They don't need to go totradition and honestly it would
be a detriment.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Yeah to them, because they don't need to take out
that debt.
They can get into the field andactually learn on the job, like
what you know, whatever they'redoing, like I would.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
What are the skills learn on the side?
I would trust somebody that'sworked the job for 10 plus years
Versus someone that went toschool to learn about it in a
couple of years.
100%, I am way more.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
I feel like one for one, like two years on the job
or two years in a classroomlearning about the job.
I'm taking the guy that's beenon hands on the whole time, been
exposed to all parts of theprocess, the crew on that type
of role, absolutely now, if he'slike a soil tester or something
that maybe, maybe more of theclassroom now, because now, like
you got a chest it all dependson whatever like exactly.

(01:56:48):
There's certain things that aregonna lean one way or another,
but and there is a wholemovement around.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
I think I don't Mike row is probably the one that
pushes this the hardest, butthere is a certain element of
like we're losing something with, like, the diminishing of
people that are just capable inblue collar careers.
Well, yeah, they like there'slike we will collapse as a
society if all of that gets lost, and I don't think we're in any

(01:57:15):
real danger of that happeningimmediately, but it is
diminishing for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
We're lucky because we're in America and our
population pyramid is still isstill a pyramid.
But you look at cultures likeJapan, where it's like this, and
you see the economic strugglesthat they run into because you
have a lot of old people and youhave a lot of young people
Taking care of those old peopleand you're limited into what you
can do as a culture and acivilization.
That way, when you have aPyramid type structure now, you

(01:57:41):
can have a lot moreopportunities and diversified
things to do.
This is another thing we don'thave like.
We're lucky because peopleimmigrate here and our
population rates have been okay.
They're falling quickly.
But the only way that we'regonna make up that labor is if
we develop technology to supportthat well or very quickly, yeah
.
I am like, within two to two orthree generations, this will be

(01:58:04):
a problem.
We are not like we are.
Our model is a pyramid.
Now it's.
It will ultimately become likethat.
Yeah, so we have to.
We have to be very quick to toshift our the how much labor we
need to make things and dothings.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
I've had this conversation with my dad
actually, because my dad heworks construction and he he's
noticed like there's a there's alabor shortage as far as good
quality people who want to workconstruction.
And you know, I had this wholediscussion with him and it's
like I don't, you know, I it'skind of what happened with the
generation, because growing up Iwas told not to work those jobs

(01:58:41):
.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
Yeah, you do not want that and it's like don't go
here, go to school.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Go to college, get a good desk job.
You don't want to do what I'mdoing and so it's like it's
interesting.
They need to startincentivizing trade school more.
I think, then, it is they needto.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
It needs to become a more, another viable option,
rather than when we were kids,it was fed to us as your lesser
yeah, you don't want to go totrade school when in actuality,
if you get a job in constructionand you do work your ass off
which that's the part that'sgonna weed out a lot of people

(01:59:18):
but if you work your ass off andyou show them how much you're
willing to put into this, youcould easily make six plus
figures a year.
Oh yeah, easily.
But the problem is is that workis not easy and a lot of people
Will not do it because theyrealize how much goes into it.

(01:59:41):
Well, my life.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
One of my, one of the dumbest strategic errors I
think we ever made, was thewhole work.
Work smarter, not hardercampaign.
And this is like Mike Rose, youtalked about it briefly.
But like this is like Mike Rosemission is to say, hey, let's
work harder and smarter, likewe'll do both.
And it's because, exactly whatyou just said, we have

(02:00:04):
absolutely bastardized Tradeculture in America.
You watch on, you turn on theTV.
You see the fat plumber withhis ass cracking.
You know that's like theclassic example.
You know like all the timethroughout our lives you comment
on it.
Just now we heard how manytimes.
So go to college, don't?
My dad was a blue collar worker, cranked wrenches Whole his
whole life.
Oh, don't, go to college, don'tbe like me, be better than me.

(02:00:25):
It sucks, you know, breakingdown your body, and that is true
.
Yeah those jobs are fucking hard, man, and they're hard on your
bodies and you can make greatmoney and but like the reality
is like we bastardized so muchto the other side that now it's
like where's the medium, where's?
You know?
I, like my brother, struggledwith this shit mentally for
years where it was like I feltlike he could, couldn't take

(02:00:47):
pride in his job Because at somelevel he felt like he was like
a failure, because he wasn't theone that went to college and
graduate and so I guesshilarious because it makes more
than all three of us I know.
But like it, and it was likeit's like a pride thing, like
you know, and it was just likeno, you don't understand, like
it has nothing to do with youbeing smarter, like all I did

(02:01:09):
was show I have I'm willing toinstitutionally suffer.
That's what I feel like mydegree.
So I, I Will suffer in this oneindustry.
Yes, yes, overlords.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
I don't know if, like , if, there's a right answer to
any of this, unlike what youshould do as a person, but I
think for me the important thingis to not get so hung up on
what Society or what your peerstell you you should yeah and
maybe focus on what you thinkyou want to do.

(02:01:45):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
Well, yeah, and I mean the.
The last part I'll add is, ifwe ever do have listeners who
you know, you don't know whatyou want to do in life, as if
we're the.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
The answer to your podcast is liking this stream.
Give us a like.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
Hey, this one trick, one simple trick.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
How I?

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
conquered America and made millions.
But for me, to touch on whatKyle was saying, is like don't
listen to what other people tellyou and, you know, don't
compare yourself.
Is that when I found what, whatI wanted to finally go to
college for it it was so clearlike I spent hours upon hours

(02:02:40):
and years just dwelling on it,trying to force myself to think
about it, and it just I justhappened to see it and once I
saw it was like oh, that seemsfun and like it was simple.
It was simple.
So I would say just, you know,find something that is simple to
you, like you.
Just it clicks.
You're like yes, that start thejourney.

(02:03:02):
Yeah, start walking, startmoving, don't stand still and I
mean I fell into finance and Isuck at math, so I never
expected to end up in thefinance field, I so don't write
off any job.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
I don't know how it happens, one day you're working
at Dairy.
Queen and the next day you'reworking at a bank, moving up the
ranks, not really knowing howyou got there, just faking it
every step of the way.
I don't think I've ever feltlike I knew what I was doing.
I just acted like it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
I'm convinced nobody knows what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Everybody's faking it .

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
They're all trying to make the best for this.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
They all make it sound like they're not faking it
, but when you get to know them,they're all faking it?

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
There's not a single person.
Is Jeff Bezos faking it?
You think?

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
What do you mean?
I knew what Is Jeff faking it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:52):
Jeff Bezos?
Is he faking it till?
He makes it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
He's made it.
He's made it for one, but still.

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
You think he's still faking it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
I think that echelon of person is just built
different.
They are driven, they are wireddifferent.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
There's no faking it, he makes the rules.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
Elon.
Same thing.
Why would you, if I evensniffed a billion dollars?
I'm faking, I am selling out,sitting on cash and living my
life Zero risk Shilling.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
That's what I would be doing.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Elon Musk dude, just faking on a whim buys Twitter,
goes in SpaceX and he's running15 different companies.
I don't know what kind ofquality of life.
That's not what I would bedoing.
These guys are wireddifferently.

Speaker 3 (02:04:43):
That's why they are who they are.
Atest me and Kyle, we've workedwith a few people.
When you meet them, you're likeyou're going places.
You're like, wow, okay, you'reoverqualified and you're going
to move fast.
I do not have your drive.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Quite a few people that when they get hired in and
you just know they're probablygoing to surpass me in like five
years.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
These guys are the hell.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
So there are people that just have.

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
That dog in them.
Have that dog in them.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
I've always tried to do that, but in the least risk
way, so that I can maintain whatI have, which is so crazy
because I should have taken morerisk when I was young, but
nonetheless I wish I would haveknown.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
You have a very high quality of life?

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
I don't think there's anything to, I wouldn't change
anything.
I love my life the way it's setup.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
This is the way I've set my life up, the decisions
I've made.
Respect, bro.

Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
Chealin Entrepreneur.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Big Chealin funds Entrepreneur, I could flip that
table for $30.

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
$30.
Yeah, that's what I needed todo.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
I'm a full-time flipper.
Now I go to.
Goodwill.
The Goodwill and I buy and sellproducts.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
The Gary Vee method you go to garage sales and try
to sell it on eBay.

Speaker 2 (02:05:59):
I hate when I see finance bros pop up on my
algorithm every now and then.
I don't know where it comesfrom.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
You guys know who Gary Vee is.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
Yeah, I've seen it.
He's got that annoyinghigh-pitched voice that bugs me.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
He popped off two years ago and then he made some
public goal statements and goodfor him because he's trying, but
he wanted to buy the New YorkJets and then I think he's
massively declined in terms ofpopularity, or at least not
declined but stagnated, becauseI don't see him being
recommended every two seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
A lot of these people don't actually what they're
doing is.
They're good at social mediaand they're promoting their
books, but they don't actuallyreally know what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
They're good at social media.

Speaker 3 (02:06:41):
You know what I just thought of.
I haven't heard of who's.
What's the bald guy?
He went to jail, he almost.

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
Jerry Rigg everything .

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
No, he went to jail.
He was big for a while.
Andrew Tate.
Andrew Tate.
I haven't heard about him in acouple Hopefully he's fucking
dying off.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
And knowing as hell I don't think I think they were
released from jail, but I thinkthey've been banned from pretty
much all the platforms.

Speaker 3 (02:07:07):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
He just, I don't know .
I'm all for, you know,empowering young men to not give
up on themselves and and womenright.

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
Like yeah, his sex workers yeah, but like so bad
dude.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
But there's something wrong with society when people
latch on to people like Andrew.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
Tate Like truthfully believe it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
Yeah, like, not just like humorously.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
Like there was like Follow it, when we've all made
jokes here about like the Sigmamale, like he's an extremely
immoral person.
Yeah, Like we understood thatwhen it first started, Sigma
male was meant to be just stupidmaking fun of like those alpha
male people, and then peoplebought into it really, and then

(02:07:58):
it's like whoa, wait, this isreal, Like people actually think
this and that's yeah, it'swhere we live again, I do think
there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (02:08:08):
There are a lot of very useful people to follow on
Online for sure, online for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
Well, I always remember.
Look at it.
This is the first time in humanhistory where we it is actually
incentivized to be a fuckingcontrarian, like to be, not like
a, to actually cause likedisruption, like that's never
benefited you in history ofmankind.

Speaker 4 (02:08:29):
You would get killed Exactly Like or you would be
shunned by society.

Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
Outcast and that's that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:34):
Now.
It's like you can have achannel dedicated to, like,
running people over with yourfucking car and you'd have a
million subscribers, you knowwho I.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
So you're gonna laugh when I tell you this, but I
read his book and I think Don'tget me wrong he has a lot of
maybe character flaws, but asfar as like motivation and drive
, someone that I think isextremely successful in that and
they can speak well to that isArnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Okay, I 100% agree with you.

Speaker 3 (02:09:07):
I agree, I was getting ready for you to say,
like Jordan Peterson he wrote abook.

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
He wrote a book called Be Useful Arnold
Schwarzenegger did and Toriactually bought it for me and I
read it and that man, just thedrive that he had, like he
refused to change his name fromSchwarzenegger even though every
agent he ever talked to said hewill never.

Speaker 3 (02:09:33):
Yeah, they said it wasn't marketable.

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
He will never be able to market that name For one.
It's German and that's like abig no-no at this time.
This is like the 60s and solike they're still.
Like you know, you don't talkabout Germany.
Yeah, you know.
And he said he had a visionwhen he was a boy of seeing his
name on top of an image ofhimself jacked in an action film

(02:09:56):
and seeing ArnoldSchwarzenegger at the top before
anything else, and he saidthere was nothing I was going to
do to compromise that vision.
And then he becomes governor.
He becomes like the world'sgreatest bodybuilder.
First, like there's nothingthat he didn't like want to do
that he didn't achieve.
Got wealthy from real estate,got what like and so yeah, he

(02:10:16):
made some questionable choicesin his personal life and he
doesn't shy away from that inhis book, though, he talks about
it and he's very vocal aboutlike how, how certain things had
an effect on him, like havingthat secret child.

Speaker 1 (02:10:30):
See, I've never had a problem with like okay, it's
decisions were questionable, butthose, a lot of those, were
like personal, you know, justalways.

Speaker 2 (02:10:36):
Well, I'm talking more morally, like you know.
Totally agree with that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:40):
But, like the reason why I never really had a problem
with him is I always felt likehe took accountability.
He never shied away from.
Never, never shied away from hedidn't blame anyone, Talked
about it right away.
He didn't like hide from hisproblem.
As soon as it happened he had apress conference.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
Yes, and he's like this is what happened.
Yep, this is when it happened.

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
This is when I found out.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
These are the mistakes I made you know and
like, and she didn't also tellhim about his secret child and
tell the child was already likealmost like 15 or something at
that point and he knew, like hefound out about it and then was
vocal about as soon as ithappened, so like he never tried
to paint himself like that,Like he was the good guy and

(02:11:18):
that scenario.
He was just honest about it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:21):
What was his first movie where his name was Top?

Speaker 2 (02:11:24):
Probably I mean the one where it was like that
really Conan Did.
It was Conan.

Speaker 3 (02:11:30):
Conan okay, Probably.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
Not Terminator.

Speaker 3 (02:11:33):
They didn't have his name.
No, that was after.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
Terminator was after I think.
I think his name was aboveConan the barbarian and I think
that was like the first timewhere like he achieved his
mission, the top build actor foryears, yeah.
And his voice wasn't dubbed Likein his one of his first movies.
He played Hercules and theydubbed like a proper English

(02:11:55):
voice, or a proper Americanvoice over him and it was.
It was just bad and like.
So Conan the barbarian wasprobably the first time where he
was like.
It was him you know isauthentically him.
And then he had one of the mostsuccessful movie careers.
For like 20 years straight hedominated the box office.

Speaker 3 (02:12:16):
And all the, all those movies.
Oh, okay, I'm going to takethat back.
I haven't seen all those movies, but the majority of them are
mostly good.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
Yeah, he doesn't really have a lot of duds,
they're like just good.
You know kindergarten cop.

Speaker 3 (02:12:28):
I love kindergarten all the way.
Last action hero.

Speaker 1 (02:12:33):
Well, we're at two and a half hours of the stream
here, guys, so nice.
Dylan, where can people find us?

Speaker 3 (02:12:37):
They can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Spotify, any
major podcast listeningplatform as well as.
Please come join us on YouTubeTuesdays at seven PM Pacific
time, where we stream live.
Yeah.
And hopefully you're watchingus right now.
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Speaker 1 (02:12:59):
That's just like so five years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:13:01):
I know Well, I heard now you don't say smash it
anymore.
I've heard YouTube like whenyou say subscribe, the subscribe
button lights up.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
I don't think that is true for a live stream People
like us.

Speaker 3 (02:13:13):
I don't know about live stream, but I people like.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
I don't think that we have enough of falling for them
to give a shit, but maybesubscribe.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
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