From Video Games to Middle-earth

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We are live.
We're live and feeling alive.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Kyle, take us away with your speech.
You know you really set me upfor failure here.
I didn't know I was supposed togive a speech until right after
I saw this five seconds ago.
So how dare you, did youprepare?
Don't help me, don't help me.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I said this is going to go one of two ways.
Kyle was either going toabandon it Immediately or he
would look up An AI generatedgreatest speech of all time and
deliver it with.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm just going to start Ripping off Chaucer from A
Knight's Tale.
It's times like these that arefar too rare For heavy handed
words.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
What does he say?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Born a stone's throw from this very stadium.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
What's his one line?
But like he's like somethingbut quiet as a whisper or
something.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
He spent a year in silence just to better
understand the sound of awhisper.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
That's so stupid dude , the dumbest line ever.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's so good.
You get so juiced up watchingthat.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's hilarious, I thought you were going to say
Captain Kearney's speech, whathis song.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
What His song?
That's more of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
The silent step?
Who defeated a nation with asingle shot?
Are they ever alert?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Keep armies at bay with hidden facts.
This is the first game, right,yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's amazing that Kyle knows that.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
But before that we held the line Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
In the battle today.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I skipped, like three parts.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
We will hold the line .
Does he have a part At all inthe other games?
He's in the third game.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
He shows up and he's just kind of like hey, remember
when you helped me?
I don't care what thesepoliticians say, I got your back
, since you helped me.
Oh, he's just kind of like hey,remember when you helped me, I
don't care what thesepoliticians say, I got your back
, since you helped me.
Oh, he's easy to recruit, huh hehelps you, regardless of what
side you choose with, like theSalarians or whatnot.
Basically, he's like I don'tcare what they say, I got you,
and he gives you like 25 warassets or something like that,

(02:20):
and number two 25, that's it.
That's how much any singlecharacter gives you.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh, I thought he was still a commander at that point,
doesn't he give you the specialunit?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
He might give you that too.
So maybe like 225.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, because I think the arachnids don't they give
you like 4,000?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
The special tactics group the arachni.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
What are they?
Yeah, the arachni.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
The arachni the.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Arachni, not Arachni the, what are they called?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
The.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Arachni, arachni.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, there's no A, there's no A, there's no Arachni
, it should be because it's likeArachnid.
That was a cool race.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, in number two, kirhi is actually a lot more
important, if you don't thethird one.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
He's a lot more important but in two, where he's
or no.
The third one is the one whereso kiri that's where he dies, if
you're fucking wrong.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay I am.
If thane doesn't, if thane diesin the second one, or you just
for some reason never recruitedhim there's him.
Well he's.
The default is kiri is thedefault to thane.
But Kiri is the one that savesthe, the counselor, and fights
off Kai Lange, and not Thaneinstead.

(03:32):
And but you can get to thepoint where theory Thane and
Kiri can both die somehow andyou can actually like that line
at the end where Shepard saysthat was for Thane, you son of a
bitch.
He actually like that line atthe end where Shepard says that
was for Thane, you son of abitch.
He actually can say that wasfor Thane and Kiri, you son of a
bitch.
Or that was for Thane, Kiri andMiranda, you son of a bitch.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So it's Miranda's the third one.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Miranda's the third one.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, so what?
The only way, kiri dies is ifyou don't send the ship to
rescue his crew.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, in the first one there's like all these
little things you have to do tohelp them out along the way.
If you skip those things, thenhis crew dies in the process.
If you help him out, then he'llsurvive.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
And then, yeah, so Kiri, he shows up for a little
bit in the third one.
He's basically just plays likea like a badass for like one
mission and then says I'll bethere for you Also if Rex dies,
um, or you don't side with theKrogan, or Reeve is dead also,

(04:42):
which is like shitty that youhave to go through all that to
get to it.
But kiri can actually.
He can deliver a speech, um onearth at the very end and his
speech on earth.
At the very end is really goodis really good too, and I'm like
I hate that you have to failall these other things to hear
this I would have liked to likesomehow have it still in the
game.
Yeah, well, this time billybrought up mass effect.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, always got it started to get us off of it.
Did you guys hear about concord?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
oh, I've heard the drama hilarious what's going on?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
700 concurrent players.
It's uh like a multi-milliondollar, didn't this that sony
funded?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
yeah, didn't the ceo think was a joke?
Like when the numbers came inthey thought it was like they
were lying or something.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I didn't see that, but I find it hilarious because
personally I saw that game and Idid not care.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I don't know, I don't think I've even seen this game.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Well, it isn't so correct me if I'm wrong.
It's a Sony funded game, uh-huh.
So that means it's on the PS5,right yeah, is it on all
platforms?

Speaker 3 (05:44):
No, only PS5 and PC Right.
So we don't have those numbersRight, we only have the Steam
numbers, but Steam is still agood indicator, I feel, on the
games, Well, as a PC player, Ifelt like they did zero in
marketing.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I didn't hear about it until I saw the CEO tweet
like this is a joke, right.
He thought it was a meme orsomething.
No, I might be totally wrong onthat.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's a hero shooter and it's like space outlaws,
space cowboy type stuff and allthe character designs are weird.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
An Overwatch clone.
It's an Overwatch clone watchclone.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's an overwatch clone and um, yeah, I'm not
interested at all, but I do findit funny that it's like another
another live service game andit's not free to play.
It's a 40 game so like, if itwas free to play I would.
I wouldn't check it out, but Icould see maybe more people
would probably play it, but $40?
.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Maybe that model's starting to fail?
I hope so, but then you have.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think we have other examples of this.
You have.
One thing I kind of want toplay eventually is Marvel Rivals
or whatever that came out, thehero shooter Marvel one.
That looks pretty fun and Iheard, I think, that's getting
good reviews and stuff.
It's only on PC right now,though, I believe.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I feel like the failure of this is just
marketing.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I didn't hear this about this game at all.
I didn't hear anything.
I don't even know about thisgame.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah Well, I think it's too bland.
If you look at the art style orjust the game itself, it didn't
really stick.
It's stale.
It didn't like, it wasn't like.
I'm trying to think of anothergame that didn't really, uh,
advertise, but it's still.
It has, like it has thatquality that makes you want to

(07:40):
look at it and want to play it.
It's sticky.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
There's a lot of games like that.
There's a lot, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So I mean marketing.
Good games can come without anymarketing, but it's just I feel
like it was too I don't knowperfect recipe or whatever for
disaster Golem had a higher peakGolem.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, but that's not a Sony platform developed thing.
I think.
To me it's really Becausethat's what I heard is it was a
Sony funded thing, so theyprobably pumped all the
marketing out to PlayStationplayers or through their store,
through whatever.
Did you hear about it before itcame out?
You were aware of it, right?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I knew of it, not through my PS5, I knew of it.
I heard it once at the state ofplay, the playstation state of
play, and then after that I wasseeing it on like um, on
subreddits, subreddits and stuff, but otherwise I didn't see any
marketing for it myself, eveneven on the playstation.

(08:44):
I'm sure was, but I don't lookat the store unless I know I'm
buying something, unless you'regoing there for a purpose.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I don't just peruse it.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Let me browse it.
I do that all the time and youdidn't see it at all.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Wow.
Well, how many times have wegone through budgets for major
film like I think, with gamingit's still a little behind the
scenes, we don't have as manyinsights like steam is awesome
because it's super transparent,but we really don't know how
many people are playing thisgame because it's just locked as
a secret.
But we see on film, becausethese numbers are out there,

(09:20):
that the like.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
If it's a 400 million dollar movie budget, the 150 of
that is marketing yeah, youknow it's tv ads, and it always
throws you off too, becauseyou're like, oh, the budget was
100, 100 million, but they needto at least, uh, make 300
million to turn a profit.
I'm like where's this?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
other money.
Why did they?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
why did they not need to make 101 million?
Why do they need to?
I know a million dollars, right, a lot of profit, but like, why
do they feel like they have tomake 101 million?
Why do they need to?
I know a million dollars, right, a lot of profit, but like, why
do they feel like?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
they have to make triple the amount.
Yeah, it's for it to be worthit.
It's just crazy to me, like howcostly our eyeballs are.
Uh, you know, to get, get theword out, get hype around it.
I think that's the failure,because I the first time I saw
it, it was already a meme.
It's like oh, 600 somethingplayers.
I'll have to find that tweet,but it was hilarious because I'm
pretty sure it was the CEO.
Just a joke.
Yeah, like this is a joke,right?

(10:10):
These are not real numbers,right?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Which is crazy that it launched on PC day one that's
.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Didn't Helldivers 2 launch on PC day one?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I think so.
Yeah, so playstation's gettinga little more friendly, maybe
barely I wouldn't have you seen.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Um, I know I shared in the discord, but have you
seen any more of this secretlevel thing on that show on
amazon prime?
It looks it looks really good,and now people have spotted
other characters that theydidn't mention.
We're going to be in it likejen from ghost yeah, um I'm
excited for this, so it looksgood to catch the viewers up.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
It's um love, death and robots.
They're making a show foramazon that appears to be in
partnership with sony.
It seems like it's mostly sonytitles.
Yeah, it's not exclusively notsony, it seems like it's mostly
sony titles.
Yeah, it's not exclusively, notexclusively, but it seems like
it and like in the commercialthey didn't say specifically,
like they didn't mention whothey were partnering with, just
that.
It's a bunch of, it's ananthology series about a bunch

(11:18):
of like your favorite games andthey list off like there's
armored core, there's god of war, there's's Ghost of Tsushima.
It looks like Pac-Man Pac-Man.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Mega, man, mega.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
The Outer Worlds.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Like there's so many Spelunky Sifu, like there's a
lot of like titles, that I waskind of like shocked.
I was like, oh, wow, like okay.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Sifu, that would be interesting, so I would
recommend go watch the trailer.
It's a really cool trailer.
It's called Secret Level Secret.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Level God of War.
Even though he's not in thedescription Kratos was, he's in
it.
He's in the trailer.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
But in the trailer they showed there's very
distinct art styles and I thinkit's going to be cool.
Did you guys ever watch Love,death and Robots?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I did Not all of it, but I did watch a few of the
episodes, A few of them yeah,what about you, billy?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
No, no, it's animation.
You'd hate it.
There you go.
It's not all hand-drawn, thoughit's like CG.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I see it through my white eyes and it goes through
my white brain and it white face, so I just don't watch that
shit I feel like a typical whiteguy no anime there's some
explanation needed for thatsteve.
Yeah, okay it just gets.
What's the famous quote fromlike a one of the like a movie.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's cg wider as a do you like toy story yeah, like
that type of animation yeah,it's one of my favorite movies
of all time, did you see?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Toy Story 5?
Yeah, I'm not excited.
Come on, man.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
How much are we going to?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
milk that dead cow.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Type though Secret level as Toy Story, you might.
Actually, I don't think you'dbe too turned off by the
animation, because all the showson secret level it's animated
to look like the game that it'srepresenting.
So if it's God of War it'lllook like God of War graphics.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Oh, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's not like it's hand-drawn anime, which there's
nothing wrong with that, but Iknow that's not your style 12
frames per second.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I think you should watch Love Death Robots.
It's on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know what I think you guys should watch?
No, toy Story 5.
Toy Story 6, they announced it.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
They announced it, it's coming.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
They already announced it.
They announced the new trilogySeason 1 of Rings of Power.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I will Rings of Power , season 2.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
It's on my watch list .

Speaker 1 (13:33):
It comes out Thursday or Friday this week I'm going
through suits right now.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I know I'm late to the party, but it's a good show.
The show's good man.
It's a very good show.
It hooks you right from thebeginning, me and Tori are fully
hooked.
Yeah, and it's like everysingle episode I mean, let's be
honest, every single episode allthese people would be in prison
, 100% the stuff that they do,but that's what makes it so

(13:58):
Dramatic.
Dramatic, but it's good, andthe heroes of it do.
It's not like breaking badwhere, like, you're watching the
bad guy the whole time.
It's not like that at all.
In fact, all the good peopleare good, you know, but they are
very much like do what'snecessary to win, type of thing,

(14:19):
and so like.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Sometimes they're just heartless, ruthless, um but
they find out you'll lose yourlicense.
I don't care, but they all havelike a moral code.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
At least the good guys all have like a moral code
they stick to.
But they're also not afraid,like the episode we watched last
night.
Like this nurse was on strike,she's representing like the
nurse's union, they're about togo on strike, or she's
representing like the nursesunion, they're about to go on
strike.
And then the main character,harvey, he basically like after
she had opened up to mike andwas like you know, our nurses

(14:51):
stay 15 hours a day, sometimes Idon't even paid for it, blah,
blah, blah.
And then, uh, he was likereally feeling for them.
And then harvey goes in andhe's just like so your nurses
are working more, not clockingit.
That's against the law.
Like, basically, and she looksover at mike and she's like I
hope you can sleep with yourselfat night or whatever.
And then you're like holy shit,harvey, that was like really

(15:12):
low blow and it makes you likethink, like damn, like are they
actually?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
doing like the right thing all the time and then
doesn't he like donate 100 grandto their union?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
or something stupid like I'm resolved or I'm
absolved of all guilt yeah, andharvey, like um, he's such a fun
character to watch in suitsbecause he's like, obviously
minus the action hero part.
He's like if there was anamerican version of james bond
100, it would be him I'm shockedhe hasn't had more prominent
roles.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
He hasn't really done anything after suits ended
ended His name the maincharacter.
Yeah, what the fuck is his realname?
Gabriel Gabriel Mock Mock,that's what it is, and he's a
stud.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
He's a good looking guy.
He looks like he would havebeen a really good Batman.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
He was in that movie with Owen Wilson Behind Enemy
Lines.
Oh hell, a long time ago, yeah,uh, where he was the guy like
both of them go down, and he washis co-pilot or co-person or
whatever and, uh, he died behindenemy lines and the rest of the
movie's following owen wilsonaround um it was, uh, megan
markle the, the princess.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It was before she was in the royal family.
She was an actor on this showgina torres the uh who's in like
all nerd everything.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, she's awesome, she does voice acting and stuff
she's.
She's in a lot of shit she's indestiny.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, she's a stud firefly, firefly, of course but
gina torres plays like um themain boss, bitch badass of uh,
the pearson hardman which goesthrough all these names jessica
pearson yeah, that's right.
Jessica Pearson.
Yeah, so yeah I.
I haven't got to that part yet,but they said that it kind of
falls off, like they say.

(16:51):
The first five seasons arespectacular.
Six, seven are a little bitweaker than eight, and nine are
apparently not that good.
But so far, we're only onseason two.
It's been stellar.
We're only on season two.
It's been stellar.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
It's a very good show .
I think that's with all shows,though they hit their niche.
Louis Lit, he carries thosemid-seasons so hard Are you?
On season one?
Still no, we're on two.
His character evolves so muchand they have so much fun with
it for all the middle seasons.
It is fucking awesome to watchhim.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
So far, from what I've seen, they do a really good
job of.
It's very easy for them to makeyou hate the character Lewis
and then like him and love himand then go back to hating him,
and they do it in a way that isactually organic.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, it doesn't feel like you're being jerked around.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
he's the one destructive, like yeah he does
it to himself, but every time hegets ahead he does something
conniving and you're like whydid you do that?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
and then it's like perfectly explained, it's, it's,
it's so true, because it's notlike.
There's other characters andshows where you're like, okay,
dude, like what the fuck are wedoing?
But it's all self-destructivebehavior that fits with his
character.
He, yeah, it's just like this,such this oddball and he makes
horrible decisions in horribletimes and he's never as good
enough of a lawyer for like forthe people around him, you know

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he's very like insecure.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes, and he's always been.
He's been.
Harvey is one of two maincharacters.
One of the main characters.
He's been a lawyer with harveypretty much from the beginning
and he's always been just secondto harvey the whole time and he
has got this massive chip onhis shoulder and the thing is
he's actually a fantastic lawyerand he's like the best there is
at like, like, uh like, moneylaw whatever you want to call it

(18:39):
fiduciary law.
Um, but he never, even when hesucceeds, he doesn't care if it,
if he doesn't, if it doesn'tput him ahead of harvey and he
gets really toxic about it, butthen he'll do things where
you're like man, he is, he's theman, um, and they do it so well
so far that I've seen, uh,really he has that, his, uh, I

(19:03):
can't think of his name either,man, which one?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Louis Lit?
What his real name?
Is oh I don't know, I haven'tlooked him up, I'm blanking, but
he has some.
His dramatic scenes are some ofthe best acting I've ever seen
In the later seasons.
He has lines and emotionalstuff that he goes through and
he fucking sells out for it.
It's so good.
It's so good, it's a good show.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's another one of those type of shows where it's
very dialogue heavy.
It's not realistic in the senseof what they get away with and
what they do, but you forgive itbecause it's still
intelligently written.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
It's just not like anything that would ever happen
the whole premise of the show isMike Ross is a brilliant lawyer
, but he's not a lawyer.
He'd never passed the bar, forhimself at least, and he's never
went to law school.
But he has an eidetic memory sohe can literally read anything

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and he remembers it forever andcan recall it a hundred percent
with accuracy.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
He that's his whole quirk the very first episode he
was like he was selling weed fora friend of his and then he
ended up almost getting caught.
And so he's running and he likestumbles into this interview,
like because he's trying to hidefrom the cops.
He's like can I hide here?
And somehow he like ends up inthis interview with harvey and

(20:30):
he basically just tells harveyeverything.
He's like I'm not a lawyer,blah, blah.
And then harvey makes a jokelike maybe we should hire you.
You know more about this thanhalf those candidates out there.
And then he's like I'll take it.
He's like what do you mean?
You'll take it?
He's like I'll take the job.
And then it starts off as ajoke.
But then they slowly go backand forth and then basically
Harvey's like you know what?
Fuck it.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, he's like he opens up this law review book
and he goes okay and he startsreading a random sentence in the
middle of the book and thenMike finishes the sentence for
him Because he, he knows exactly, he has eidetic memory and
that's why didn't he pass thebar well, so that's the whole.
That's the whole.
Quirk is apparently you don'teven need to go to law school to

(21:10):
pass the bar.
That just helps you, as in thestate of new york, you just need
to pass the bar.
So that's the whole thing.
Like that people can't get over.
It's like just go take thefucking bar.
But the quirk to counter thatis this firm only hires from
Harvard.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Also.
So he got blacklisted fromcollege and from colleges, and
the context is another reasonwhy he knows so much about law
is because he's always wanted tobe a lawyer.
When he was like I don't knowwhat year he was in college, but
he memorized the math test onone of the classes and started

(21:45):
selling it to all these otheremployees and one of the people,
like the dean, found out and sobasically, like they
blacklisted him from universityand that's why he ended up his
life changed and he ended up notgoing to law school being a
lawyer, and so that's also partof the tension is like Harvey
knows and like, slowly butsurely, other people are

(22:07):
starting to find out as well,but they're like, he's such a
good lawyer.
Like what do we do, you know?
Like, do we keep going?
Um, again, you know that youwouldn't be able to get away
with something like that forvery long at all, but it's still
.
It makes for a good like plotdevice that there's that you

(22:27):
never, when you watch it, younever really feel like anyone's
safe, although I am starting topick up a pattern where it's
like harvey, this cannot be done.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Harvey does god dang it and then harvey goes I don't
care, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
And then he does it and wins and like you got lucky
this time harvey, and that'slike every episode almost.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
But again, that's selling it short, because they
do that, but very well there'sso many lines in that show, too,
that are just like fucking epic.
Like harvey has this one earlyon he's like life's like this, I
like this, it like, but in thecontext of what they're talking
about, how smooth he says itharvey is like, so epic, he's
like a little, he's like theSigma male before that became a

(23:08):
meme.
That's like his whole characterAlways has the upper hand in
everything and he's superhandsome, ridiculously good
looking, and the suits they havehim in all the time are fucking
immaculate.
Immaculate.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
He's got the classic three-piece.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
He always does the vest.
It's so clean-looking.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He represents celebrity lawyers, celebrity
people.
He'll casually throw in Michael.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Jordan.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
That's not what Michael said last week.
Michael who?
Jordan, just shit like that Allthe time Life's like this.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I like this, like the way he delivers it.
The contacts are like.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I'm actually surprised, badass I'm surprised
that he's not the face of thosesigma male memes.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
He should be, because he actually is that, but I
think it's so good, like it's soweird, because I think on the
surface I would hate a show likethat.
But it's delivered in a waywhere he actually is living that
life and it's so smooth.
He gets all the girls but yethe's super shallow and never

(24:18):
ends up with the girl that heshould end up, which is his
secretary.
It's like this whole back andforth.
It just works for thecharacters.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
He also becomes very, very protective of mike and
like he would like so far itlooks like he would like just do
anything for him and I don'tknow why, but like he feels
responsible because he's the onethat brought bike in it.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's like his little brother.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
As people start to find out things.
In one episode he's about toget fired because I'm spoiling
an over 10-year-old show, soit's whatever.
But the main, jessica Pearson,finds out that Mike never went
to Harvard and she's just likeyou have to fire him.
And he's about to do it.
And he's like I can't do it.

(25:03):
And he goes through and he'slike about to do it and he's
like I can't do it and he goesthrough.
He's like I'm not gonna fire him, like why he's like because if
I fire him, then you fire me.
You make that choice and likethis whole thing and like you're
like okay, so there's like hewould do anything for mike um,
but that's just like.
It's funny the way that he likehe always every interaction
he's in.
It's rare that he's not like theone leaving like on top like

(25:27):
it's um sigma yeah, it's very,it's very like sigma male meme,
but it's not like I don't know,it's just done better because
it's not played for a joke likeyou actually believe that he,
he's that guy, he is that guylike he just wrecks shit on that
show.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
He's unstoppable, um, and they come up with.
They come up with like reallycool story arcs of them going up
against like a really studlawyer too, and it's like this
epic fucking battle of back andforth and constant upper hand
changes.
They get into this, uh,investment banking side.
I'll show you a clip after thisshow.

(26:07):
But it's so epic, like one ofthe finance they're dealing with
this way up, you know financier, and he like straight up burns
like a hundred thousand dollarbond piece of paper and he and
he has this line I forget whatit is, but it's so fucking epic

(26:28):
and douchey but like you can'thelp but just be like god dang,
that's so impressive.
You're just watching it.
It's like it's so crazy, likewe're corporate raiders and we
like this money means nothing,it's a game to us.
It's just not not like I don'tknow.
They have this whole thing andyou're just like, fuck yeah, it

(26:48):
has nothing to do with realbanking whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think the reason that they get away with it I'm
like just making is because allthe characters, regardless of
gender, regardless, they all actlike that in this show, and so
it's like who can out sigma, theother, oh okay, it's really the
whole.
Thing so they're all sigmasthey're all sigmas, and so it's
like a dog eat dog, all sigmaworld and yeah, like, uh, oh god

(27:36):
, yeah, let me.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Let me put this on dude.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I just was watching that shit.
It was like like we'recorporators, lights a $50,000
bond on fire, just fucking.
I use it to keep score.
Like what the fuck?
How epic of a line is that dude?
I use money to keep score andthat's like the first time I
think you see that guy.
Like the whole thing is likeit's just constant dunking.

(28:01):
It's insane man.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Imagine that, but just like it never ends.
It never ends.
It's just like high adrenaline.
They're fighting with words thewhole time.
One of my favorites is, in oneof the very first episodes, some
dude he represents theseinvestment bankers or whatever

(28:24):
and he goes to to and he's likeuh, you come at me again without
a warrant and I'll kick yourass just because you or a lawyer
think you're smarter than me.
And then harvey walks up andhe's like you know what, todd, I
do think I'm smarter than you,but if you think, that won't
stop me from kicking your asslike he like immediately throws
it back he's like then why don'tyou take a swing, see what

(28:45):
happens?
And he's like an inch from hisface and he's like that's what I
thought and I'm like no lawyerwould ever say this, but like.
But right after seeing thatyou're like, Fuck.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, harvey, it's awesome.
It's like red line throttle thewhole fucking time and the
writing is really good actually.
So it's like red line throttlethe whole fucking time and the
writing is really really goodactually.
The story arcs.
Sometimes they get so fuckingnuts and you definitely get
tired of the whole.
Is Mike going to get found outtoday?

(29:18):
Because it just drones on for10 years basically while I was
watching it.
But that was a fun show.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm not 100% sold on the romance aspect of it either,
Like I don't know if it's goingto get better, but I'm not a
huge fan of Rachel at this point, Like no, she did.
Yeah, but other than that Imean that's, that's actually not
like a I mean, it is a.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I felt like her strength was forced.
It didn't feel organic with heracting style, and that's not
because she's a woman.
Sarah Paulson, what's his Donna?
Donna, his secretary.
Sarah Paulson, that's Sarah.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Paulson.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I think that's her real name, but she is the most
badass of everybody.
She owns.
Harvey.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
She's more badass than Harvey yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And she embodies strength.
Sarah Rafferty, sarah Rafferty,who's Sarah Paulson?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
She's another actor, though it's like.
Sarah Rafferty, sorry, JessicaPearson's pretty badass too,
though, oh 100%.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, so there's like a ton of strong women.
But it fits with their actingportrayal.
It always felt like with Rachelit was forced.
It was like Her character wasalways.
I totally agree with that.
It was one of the weaker ones,never really liked that.
So Rings of power.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
That's not technically nerd talk, but
that's.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
It is nerd, you're nerding out on the show.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I'm also just happy that.
I'm actually happy that I founda show that I'm into.
That's long enough, so it's notgoing to be over Super quick
too.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Isn't that nice.
How many seasons are there?
That's good stuff it's notgoing to be over super quick too
, Isn't that nice.
You're like, ooh, wait, howmany seasons are there?
That's good stuff.
That's good.
That's how I felt when I firststarted watching Game of Thrones
.
I was like wait, how long do Ihave of this before it gets bad?
It only gets bad in the lasttwo seasons, good stuff, so

(31:22):
Rings of.
Power comes out in two days.
You want us to watch the wholeseason one in two days.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Well, I just did it in one day.
Jesus Christ, the best.
Thing.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
What a man.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, well, I definitely didn't do it while I
was working.
I watched it with my wife onSunday.
My wife I skipped all theHarfoot shit which is like the
Hobbit storyline, because thatis the most irrelevant storyline
.
It was like the worst part ofseason one.
It was so much more satisfyingof a show to watch because it
was such an isolated story.

(31:52):
They have like this wizard, butwe don't know if it's a wizard
or not.
We don't really know what hischaracter is and it's like the
these harfoots which arebasically hobbits going through
the world and it's.
It was like the dialogue wasweird that it just didn't fit
with the whole show.
So all the season two trailershave like not even shown them.
So they they went from like oneof the major storylines to I

(32:14):
think they're getting bumpedhard down, which I'm like,
please, god do that.
So what you focused on galadriel, galadriel the Southlands,
which is where the Orc armyrises up, and Numenor, which is
Galadriel's, I guess, storylineas well, and then the Dwarves

(32:35):
and the Elves storyline.
Literally I just skipped overthe hard foots and it cut out
probably it's only eightepisodes and they're an hour
long each.
It probably cut out an entirehour hour and a half of footage,
so it only took like six and ahalf hours to get through all
the episodes and God, it was somuch better of a viewing
experience, because I rememberyou ever Like with Game of

(32:58):
Thrones they even go throughthis in some of the seasons
where there's like certainstorylines that you're like full
in.
You're like yes, and then itjumps to a storyline where
you're like I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
It jumps to fucking.
What's his name?
Bran?
Yeah, rolling around and I'mlike I hate it I fucking don't
care, dude.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I don't care about this fucking tree for the next
30 minutes.
We need to develop this story.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I was, yeah, exactly.
I was like, okay, you're goingon a vision quest, I don't care,
go back to john, yeah, I gottawork now.
Yeah, okay, working, activated,bam, okay, um.
And then like, yeah, that, yeah, exactly same kind of thing it
was.
So it was so good to watch andexperience that with with the
great story.
Seeing the trailers for seasontwo, I'm really juiced because
they have not, they've likemaybe a blip Cause I that was
their most critical feedback wasthe Harfoot storyline.

(33:55):
Blue Didn't make any sense, butit made sense.
It just was.
It just was lame compared toeverything else.
So I think we're going to get alot more of the other
storylines because there weresome really good ones that I
enjoyed.
Now, again, I'm not a tolkiennerd that, like people, they're
so sensitive to how it like waswritten and how it's being
interpreted, but I just I lovethe setting in the world that

(34:18):
they're building.
And it was so cool to go backbecause saran we get introduced
to saran in season one veryearly, but you don't know, it's
Sauron yet and so it's cool towatch it unfold because he says
lines and you're like, how did Imiss that?
How did I?
Oh, he says one line very earlyon, that like the deep lore
nerds knew exactly what it was.

(34:40):
Um, yeah, the real show is in afew days.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, that'swhat we're talking about.
Four days, four days.
I thought it came out friday, um, but like I guess, yeah, friday
at midnight, which would be themorning of, so like thursday
late night, but reallytechnically Friday Anyway, but

(35:03):
yeah, so it's.
I'm excited, having watched allof it again.
And you see, sauron like deeplore nerds knew that it was
Sauron because he says this oneline.
But then watching how he sayscertain things, you're like, oh
my God, he's, he doesn't lie atall, he never lied the whole
time.
And he, you listen to hisanswers and you're like, holy

(35:25):
shit, he didn't lie at all, hewas answering truthfully.
But it was obscure enough towhere you didn't pick up on it
as a casual fan, I guess.
But then when it gets revealed,and now, seeing it back, it's
like oh yes.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Man, I don't know why I'm having such a hard time
convincing myself to watch it.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Well, if you like to watch shows that have multiple
seasons to watch, it's hard toget into a series.
Yeah, but I think what they'recoming out with.
Correct me if I'm wrong, daniel, but I think they're coming out
with three episodes at once,which I'm really excited about.
It's also been like two and ahalf years since the first

(36:02):
season.
Has it been that long already?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
No, shit, I know I was just thinking in my head wow
, they're already season two.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Let me look that up, because I think it was two and a
half years.
Two and a half years, yeah,okay, I really enjoyed the show.
Yeah 2022.
So September.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Okay, so just I guess two years, almost two years.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I guess two years since it first came out, man, oh
, it was going to be, becausethey originally said it was
going to come out in 2025, andthen they're doing it early.
I don't know.
Listen, I know it didn'tseemingly go over well.
I always was a big fan of it.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I always was a big fan of it.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I always was a big supporter.
I thought it was really good.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
You've always defended it.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
So would you recommend, like, if me or Kyle
were to watch it, should we lookup or like, should we skip all
the Harfoot?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
It's still going to be in Season 2 storyline, so I
definitely would watch itthrough and make your own
assumptions.
You guys being suchstory-driven people, you might
go.
I love it, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
It's like Baldur's Gage is trash.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I like.
Just because I like a goodstory doesn't mean I like story
for the sake of story, so goodstory, Keep story.
Oh yeah, I love this 30 minutesof nothing happening, so good
story, keep storying.
Oh yeah, I love this 30 minutesof nothing happening, but good
dialogue.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, it's like, literally, them walking through
a forest and there's this Bran,there's a yeah, literally.
And there's this dude thatdoesn't speak, that comes in on
a fucking meteor, hodor, andthen follows them around yeah,
basically, but then he has thesecrazy powers and then there
them around yeah, basically, butthen he has these crazy powers.
And then there's this sexy baldchick that tries to fuck him up

(37:43):
and you think that she's Sauron, but she's not.
She's not sexy, by the way, butshe looks like she's very ugly.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
by the way, she's not sexy.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
There was memes about it, because she's very, I guess
, tomboyish.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't know how you would describe it, but very
male-esque.
Any females on TV shows thesedays?
They get eviscerated for noreason.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I know you should have seen the memes that came
out from this shit.
It was just like oh, that'smommy.
All that shit that people simpto Her character was this big?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Anyway, she really comes in in just like one
episode Physically that big, sosmall, like even the hobbits
would step on her.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
No this big.
In the grander story she isThumbelina.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
We have no idea what that cult was, who they were
sent by.
I guess there might be somelore that you can look up, but
to be honest, I think a lot ofpeople were confused at the time
of release.
It wasn't that interesting, thewhole thing just sucked.
It was not done well, it reallywasn't.
I think what they're trying todo is that this guy is Gandalf,
but I really don't want that tobe Gandalf's origin story at all

(38:56):
.
I guess it kind of makes sensebecause he's always had a soft
spot for hobbits at all.
I guess it kind of makes sensebecause he's always had a soft
spot for hobbits.
But no, don't no, make him oneof the blue wizards, because
that story is like has no loreand just no what.
You will offend no one if youdo it that way.
They've already offended a lotof people, so well, fuck them
all those people that are upsetare still going to watch oh, and

(39:17):
you know what?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
they probably don't care, they're just gonna do it,
and you?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
know what uh amazon prime has done.
That's pissed me off.
What amazon prime?
You can no longer watchanything on there for free with
no ads.
Yeah, everything has an ad now.
Now you have to pay an extrathree dollars a month to watch
no ads I'm already paying forthe service they did, went to
hulu route and of course I didit because I was not about to

(39:40):
watch eight episodes.
I'll cancel it, but I was notabout to watch eight episodes in
a row, with every 15 minutes afour-minute cut to add.
I'm not adding an hour of my.
I'm trying to binge this, youknow.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't think it's Gandalf.
Who do you think it is then,Daniel?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I'm curious Are you talking?
About the big guy that's likeforest dude with and he's like
forest, he's got a bunch ofleaves and shit all over him.
He looks messy from from, likethe hobbit, or from, no, from
from rings of power yeah yes,I'm talking about him yeah, the
only reason I know that is Iwatched, you know those vfx

(40:15):
artists react, corridor digital,and they like reviewed the
scene to see like they weretrying to figure out if he was,
if they use the forceperspective or if they use cg in
that because there's a scenewhere the hobbit and him are.
They are together and I guessit was a mixture of both or
something well he.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Some people have thought, maybe he's radagast
because he like Radagon, noRadagast, I think that was his
name.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
The wizard, he doesn't even like question, he
just corrects you.
No Radagast, radagast, Radagonno Radagast, and I think that he
Well, I'm in my own fuckinghead.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I'm going on a story time.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
That's the same thing he did when we talked about the
Little.
He was like.
No, I mean like.
Little importance, not size.
We know what you meant.
I'm trying to riff.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
She wants to detour every two minutes.
Keep up, boys.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Just please laugh at our jokes.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I'll do the sad cringe.
Laugh so you think it's Gandalf, laugh so you think it's
gandalf or you don't.
I don't think it's gandalf.
People are assuming it'sgandalf.
I don't want it to be gandalfeither, but I don't think it is.
I think that would just beweird.
First off, to introduce gandalfin that way, feel like he
should have been around for alot longer.
Um, it would be weird that hecame in on a meteor.

(41:39):
Um, I would rather that him beone of the blue, like superman
yeah, very strange, comes in asan alien um, I would rather it
be one of the blue wizards andit's like uh, one of like uh I.
Nor eru eru luvitar himselfsending in an angel to help

(42:01):
support Middle-Earth throughthis fight.
I would love to see somethinglike that of that being the
story.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
What's the wizard that was left out of Lord of the
Rings that everybody talked toTom Bombadil?
No he's not one of thosewizards.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
He's not a wizard.
No he's not like the blue orthe brown I was going to say,
maybe it's him.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Tom Bombadil is actually in one of the trailers.
I'm pretty sure he's going tobe making an appearance in this
show, which would be really coolbecause he is an interesting
enigma in that whole world.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
It's weird that they just completely ignored his
existence in the movies.
I don't think they could havetold those.
I don't know how well it wouldhave lined up with their vision
for the films.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Right.
If I think about the film, it'slike they introduced this crazy
immortal being randomly andthen he bounces.
It would just seem kind ofcrazy.
Uh, the doom scene morepowerful than gandalf.
Well see, that's theinteresting thing.
So like I.
So I hear that criticism, andif I was to play devil's
advocate for that to the peoplewho say it is gandalf, gandalf

(43:13):
reserves his power because his,like, whole mission is to
interact with or intervene withmiddle earth like this, this
much, not little in size, but inin in reality in reality, in
reality, little, no, no, no areyou happy that I laugh?
yeah, there we go that really Ifeel different about it I feel a

(43:37):
different cause.
Like this fucking loser, um,this guy, no, so, um, if I'm
playing devil's advocate there,I, this guy, is so fresh off the
spawn that, like I think he'strying to learn, like he didn't
even know he had powers, likehe's like a grown old man, baby,
so I feel like he's trying he'sstill trying to figure out

(44:00):
scale and scope for what thefuck he can do.
The guy just sort of wasdropped into place.
We'll see.
I don't think it's Gandalf, Ihope they do one of the blue
ones.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Gandalf's power levels are so all over the place
, though, too.
It's so hard to measure what hecan and can't do.
Sometimes he seems super OP andthen other times he's just a
normal dude with a staff.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I mean he's beating orcs with the butt of
his staff, but then goes out andsolos the drakes or whatever
from the dragon drakes?
What are those things?
The Knight Riders or whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, where he like takes on the he.
Oh God, what I I'm forgettingthere.
The.
Lich King, the, the Lich Kingright or the basically he's like
in one scene he's not doingmuch and then the other he's
fighting an epic battle, falling.

(45:01):
He's fighting an epic battlefalling, you know, oh, the
balrog well, balrog, I'm justlike just stuff like that he's
falling down the cliffs fightinghim, uh, and then in others
he's not, and then, like in thehobbit, he randomly can just
catch things on fire and throwit, and like I'm just confused
on like what he can, andespecially after he fights the
balrog, he levels up you knowwhatever, and he comes back.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
And I mean as as a movie.
When I watched it recently itwas kind of disappointing that
his staff gets broke like withinand at 40 minutes so apparently
that is one of the biggestcriticisms of the movie

(45:41):
portrayal.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Is that scene where I think it's the lich king or the
wraith, the wraith king ofangmar, whatever the fuck his
name is, the?
Leader of the nine um of thenazgul, when he screams and
shatters his staff.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah right, you're talking about yeah and he's
guarding pippin or whateverapparently that is one of the
most controversial scenesbecause it's it's so
inappropriate and taken out ofcontext, I guess, of what
actually happened in the wellthat that scene was actually cut
from the the film oh, is itreally that's only an extended
that's part of the extended andso that doesn't actually happen
in the the canon movie and youwouldn't even really, because

(46:20):
you don't even really notice,for the rest of the film he's
not holding it like theyactually cut that out and so the
if you watch the extendedversion, that is not something
that was intended to be left inwell, so why like, why did it
break or why is that miss?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I?
I think that's the criticism.
Is that like because he was thewhite wizard?
It?
was a mistake leveled him and itwas a bad interpretation of
like what should have happenedthere, because I guess it it was
supposed to be like more of adialogue.
Um, and gandalf apparently haslike a line in which he strikes
fear in the.
The lich king.
I think it's the lich king, Idon't fucking know.

(46:58):
I'm gonna call him the lichKing.
I think it's the Lich King, Idon't fucking know.
I'm going to call him the LichKing, though I'm defining it now
.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Is it the Witch?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
King.
Is it the Witch King?
The Lich King is from World ofWarcraft.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, Lich King is World of Warcraft.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, it's the.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Witch King, who looks a lot like the Witch King.
Yeah, right, the Lich.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's a little on the nose, they're very similar, dude
.
Let's be honest.
At least in design they lookvery similar.
I wonder what took inspirationfrom what?
Because those movies came outfirst?
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I know they kind of pull on that.
Lich King definitely came outafter.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Lord of the Rings.
Yeah Well, world of Warcraft,did you know?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
like that's Well, I mean the movie came out before
World of Warcraft was even a2004,.
I think is when World ofWarcraft launched.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
The movies were done by 2003, 2004.
But it's not like.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
World of Warcraft doesn't do that.
I mean, there was the wholemists of Pandaria that looked
like Kung Fu Panda.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Straight up.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Obviously they take inspiration from other media.
The Witch King of Angmar, Ithink?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
yeah, like you know, right up they obviously they
take inspiration from from thewitch, the witch king of angmar,
I think okay.
But I think gandalf has a linethere, uh, and the shriek he's
supposed to push back and thewitch king kind of is like whoa,
I'm kind of afraid of his power.
But then his uh, one of thenazgul uh things that he rides I
don't know the name of thedragon yeah, the dragon thing

(48:22):
shrieks and his horse freaks out, which is like his horse is
like the god of all horses andhe's he kind of like steps back.
So the way it's written it'slike impossible to tell on
screen, like in in a film, andso they just did it with like
shattering the spear or hisstaff.
So I loosely that story issomewhat correct.

(48:45):
I don't know how accurate thatis, like down to the detail,
because I never read the book,but, um, from what I understand,
that is one of the most hotlydebated scenes of how that works
yeah, because I mean, well,like you were talking that to me
as a viewer that didn't readthe books, didn't you know?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I don't know much about the lore and I didn't know
.
That was only.
I only watched the extended cut.
I was looking at that.
I was like I thought he got anupgrade.
He's kind of doing nothing.
Well, yeah, I mean I meangandalf.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Still they wouldn't have done anything without him.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
But it's like what this fucking dragon breaks his
cool staff.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I also feel like they should have.
That whole last battle ispretty epic, super epic, but
they did nothing to prep.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Well, yeah, isn't that?
The big complaint Is thatAragorn brought in the ghost
army out of nowhere.
Yeah, the ghost army is like itwas the ghosts in the shell.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, it was so such a cheat code, but like no, they
have this huge field.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I released you and they leave or whatever.
Um, which I get, he's a man ofhis word, but like you couldn't
hold on to him a little bitlonger for that final battle.
I know there's still anotherfight after this.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
But the White City out, and I forget the official
name of it.
It sounds like Tiramisu orsomething like that.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
It's something similar Minas Tirith Minas.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Tirith, there you go, tiramisu.
They have that massive field.
They could have trenched that,put oil in the field, leached it
with something.
They did nothing and then thisarmy just fade stages right in
front of it it's like that's thefault of the steward.
He wasn't no, I, I get thatyeah it's just so.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
It's such a failure.
It's a den of.
I think that was the wholepoint is there's a failure of
man and they needed uh rohan toto save them because they didn't
know what they were doing.
Gondor was all over the placeout of bad king or steward and
they should have overthrew himas ruler, but they didn't, and

(50:51):
so that's why it escalated tothat.
But I love that scene wherehe's about to burn him and his
son alive because he's all crazyor whatever.
Fucking all the oil goes out andsomehow he survives long enough
to run like three footballfield lengths and then falls off
the edge of the tower into thebattle.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
He does that and Gandalf immediately assumes
power and is like go back toyour stations, let's go.
It's like boom, all right, andthen everyone's with him.
So this is another thing.
That's go, it's like boom, allright, and then everyone's with
them.
So there's.
This is another thing that'simpossible to show on film, but
apparently Aragorn was like byfar and away the greatest
swordsman in Middle-earth, fromwhat I understand.

(51:33):
Or if not the greatest, likeone of the greatest.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
He's like revered.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Revered swordsman and the extra scene where he goes
and talks to the mouth of Sauronat the gates of the, at the
Black Gate, cuts the head off.
Yeah, when he cuts the head offapparently.
So like that's the mouth ofSauron, right?
So he has a direct connectionwith with Sauron.
Apparently in the books the wayit's described is, when that

(52:00):
meeting happens, like the mouthis mouthing off to the group.
But then he makes eye contactwith aragorn and he actually
starts to like get nervous hedidn't realize like aragorn was
with them and he's like, oh fuck, and like he's starting to like
kind of backpedal and like it'sobvious he's being shaken up by
his just his aura right Hisaura is fucking with him and

(52:21):
talk about how much more of animpact from the books that's
able to have as a weight of ascene.
when you're thinking about,that's Sauron, basically, and
Sauron's intimidated by thisfucking guy because of his aura.
He's fucking Arag aura.
He's fucking Aragorn.

(52:42):
He's Aragorn baby.
Way to risk the entire fate ofhumanity, that Frodo's climbing
the mountain at that exactmoment.
We need a distraction.
Let's just go to war.
After the worst war, the twoworst wars in all of
Middle-earth, we're going to goto another battle.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Gimli says what are we waiting for?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I wish they had more dwarves to help.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
It's just like just Gimli it is.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
We need that attitude in this shit.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I never thought I'd die Standing side by side with
an elf.
What about side by side with afriend?
It still makes me tear up Sucha good one.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I could do that.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I want more Aragorn Gimli and Legolas Well that's
what I love about Rings of Power.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
It's one of the best storylines.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
It's Elrond who is played by the guy from
Scientology, elrond Hubbard.
He's awesome.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I love that guy Talks about the god Xenu Big time In
the Lord of the Rings, it'sScientology.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
It's like science.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Butology.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
But not no, when.
Where the fuck was I going withthat Elrond, the guy from the
Matrix, what the fuck is hisname?
But not no, when, where thefuck was.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
I going with that.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Elrond, the guy from the Matrix.
What the fuck is his name?
He's a stud actor.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
The Red Skull from yeah Red.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Skull and the main antagonist in the Matrix.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Whoever that is.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Mr Smith, yes.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
He's in the show.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
He's in the show because elves live.
They're immortal beings right.
And he has a relationship with,like durin, who is the uh, like
the prince of uh, of kaza doom,and uh, their relationship
between elf and dwarf is just somuch fun.
And the dwarves end up savingspoilers, saving the well, it's

(54:41):
inferred, I guess.
I guess we don't know.
No, I know it does portray out,but like they save, um, the
elves, because the elves weredying and, uh, like their, their
light was fading and theystarted mining mithril, mithril
and uh, it saved the elf, itsaved the elves.
But that's also how saran, forit shows saran forging the rings

(55:04):
hugo weaving super.
Yeah, there you go, thank you soit's so good man, I really
enjoy hugo weaving is stillelrond.
No no, no, it's.
I thought it's a different guy.
Which didn't he say like it'sthe same guy, because they live
forever well, it's elrond, butnot hugo weaving okay I thought
I was trying to get you to knowwhich character, because I know

(55:25):
you yeah seen it like once ormaybe twice I know, who elrond
is okay, elrond yeah, he createdscientology but uh, yeah, it's
played by a different guy who Ioriginally was like this is a
terrible cast.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
He is so won me over, he's so good well, because I
was gonna say wait, they recastor they have.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Glad you're being this younger girl, but they
didn't make hugo so gladriel'sportrayal of gladriel was one of
the most contested things and Ithink she's learned her lesson,
is going to change it upcompletely.
She was way too hardcore.
She played it like Galadrielwas on a fucking death crusade

(56:07):
and you couldn't.
She was as bad as Sauron interms of her motivations and
shit and she played this lineand it was like this is not
Galadriel, and so I think she'sgoing to pull that way the fuck
back in the next season.
I mean the writers.
I was talking about this to mywife.
She did this.

(56:30):
The actress, yes, Her lines.
My wife and I roleplayed Wingwing.
Nothing happened.
I'm gladadriel.
She delivers pretty plain lines, but with this tone of just
fucking anger and aggravation towhere if she just said it with

(56:52):
eloquence and being a fuckingelven priestess, basically she's
one of the highest rankingelves.
She's one of the highestranking elves.
She's like the commander of thenorthern armies and she just
does everything.
She's so pissed off.
She rides this red linethrottle.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
She had to have been given direction.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
In this story, though , she's not the commander, yet
no, she's the commander of thenorthern armies.
She goes on this she's legit.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I thought it was like a younger.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Well, no she's the commander of the northern armies
.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
She goes on this the whole.
She's already.
Yeah, she's legit.
I thought it was like a youngeryou know like well, she's
untrained, proving herself nothis is so.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
That's a one thing that people are upset about is
the timeline broke canon, Iguess, because it's not nearly
as old as it should be.
They said it's only like acertain amount of years before
lord of the Rings.
I don't know exactly if it'stoo old or not old enough, but
somehow the timeline, the canon,was ruined.
Because of that they changed it.

(57:47):
I remember reading thatcriticism really early on.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I think it's in the beginning of the Second Age.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I don't know if that was retconned or if people
misunderstood or if it was fixedin any way, but I remember
reading that people were upsetthat the canon timeline was
altered.
It wasn't where it should be.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Well, I think we're at least 1,000 years before Lord
of the Rings and before theHobbit.
I think we're like yeah, Ithink it's at the beginning of
the second age, because thesecond age is like the first
stage is over, uh, you know,morgoth's been defeated, and
then this is the second age,which is like when saron sort of
rises, and then the beginningof the third age is when the

(58:32):
sealer cuts off his finger, yeah, and they do that whole thing.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
so I think it's like cast it into the fire, you bitch
no, get back here, that scene.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
He just watches him like he could have stopped him.
It's so much more impactfulwhen you understand why they
don't because the elves are tiedto that magic.
Oh yeah, that magic is what.
That's the magic that they used.
They use, used that power tokeep their cities like thriving.
The elves are dying.
That's what you learned in thislore.
It's like they're slowly dyingwithout that magic and that's

(59:07):
one of the cool things to kindof understand about.
Middle Earth is like when yousee, when you happen upon
Rivendell, and it's like thisepically beautiful landscape.
The reason why it's still thereis because it has that magic
and that land is like protected,but the rest of middle earth is
slowly like dying out and sothat's like he's telling him to

(59:28):
do that, but I don't think intheir hearts because that that
that is like super corrupt.
If I think they want likethat's why the elves sort of
take this weird stance of likepassiveness towards it, because
they are thriving on that samemagic.
So it's.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
It's an interesting dynamic.
Really quickly like even likegladiatorial, like she even like
she like got weirded out bylike only a matter of minutes
and she was like starting to getall but like I don't know what
it is.
Why are hobbits so immune tothe allure?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Because they're stoners Because they're stoners.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
They fried their brain, their brain fried.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
So like, whatever man Get this ring taken care of, or
what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
They just don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I would love if they acted like that, Like man
whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
What's up dog?
Desproto's love if they actedlike that, like man, whatever,
what's up dog, just frodo's likebro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
We gotta walk that's what's up, man that's crazy
sam's like come on, bro, I can'tcarry the ring but I can carry
you carry you dog, mr frodo,like what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
come on, let's go Yo, what's up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Riding on a horse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I'm going alone, sam Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I know you are man, but I'm hella coming with you,
Dude, no cap bro, but like onemore step, this is like the
farthest that I've been fromhome.
Dude, no cap.
It actually kind of fits,literally.
No, it's, yeah, it's superweird uh yeah but they use that

(01:01:06):
photo, had it like for how longthe journey take.
They said like two years orsomething, and he cast it in 18
months and then a fucking asiluhad it for like two minutes and
he's like no, no, this is mine,well, galadriel's line, where
you know she's like I would havebeen a queen, and she does that
like very crazy ghost in rings,yeah that line was told her by

(01:01:28):
sauron in rings of power,because he falls in love with
her.
It's so good, man, you guys needto watch.
It's so good, he falls in lovewith her and he wants, he wants.
He said I will bind, you, willbind me to good and I will bind
you to power.
Because she's so power driventhis whole time and he's like

(01:01:50):
with you by my side, you knowlike we will, we can rule, and
it'll be like, it'll be good, uh, like it'll be a good thing.
And, um, what is like power ofthe flesh, or power over flesh,
or something like that.
And he was like what's thedifference?
And she's like, god, no, it'slike it turns this whole thing.
And it's like, okay, that's allit took, you were right there,

(01:02:12):
but then that's what's your but,he's like, I will have you, I
will make you my queen orwhatever she basically says,
that line and I'm like, oh my,my God, it's such great writing,
it's so good, what's?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
uh, so I I am curious , because you seem to be, I'm
curious as well.
I'm just curious, you know justtell me everything Like no cap
bro, no cap man Sam.
Come on, bro.
You seem to be very likeinfatuated with a good story
when it comes to like televisionand movies, but when it comes

(01:02:42):
to games, you don't give a shit.
I don't give, and I understand,like why I watch a movie to be
immersed in the story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I play a game to play the fucking game but why can't
you just?
Play a game to be immersed inthe story, because that's not
why I'm there.
I'm playing, I'm the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I don't really like stories in movies, I just like
action.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I also, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I also get really cringed out.
I like all movies.
Who am I kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I hate dialogue options.
I get really cringed out thatI'm that person.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Oh no, I was reliving Ghost of Tsushima after I found
out it was going to be on thisshow and I was watching somebody
play it and that intro oh mygod.
The intro is one of the besttitle drops in any games ever.
It's so well done.
And you do this whole buildingup and then you are completely

(01:03:39):
controlling the character.
But you end up, you know,taking your horse into this like
field, and Jen like slowlyleans down.
He's like hitting his handrunning his hand through the
tall grass and it like drops thetitle and has this epic music.
And I'm like this is soincredible and I do remember in
that moment watching andthinking Billy wouldn't give a
fuck.

(01:03:59):
I'd be like I'd be trying toskip it.
He's like what do you mean thisis?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
unskippable I don't know, I play a game.
To play the game I.
I watch a movie to watch, likebe immersed in the story.
But I yeah, so you don't likeinteractive agency in the story.
I don't even know what thatmeans.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Like you don't like to be in a participating part of
the story you like to observe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
No, I Take the story out, I don't care.
No, I mean like in a movie.
No, what I'm saying is like ifI can choose, or if I'm there,
like listening to other people,and like I'm just, like I'm not
the commander, like I'm thelieutenant or whatever.
Both can be good, both can suck.

(01:04:48):
That's not the problem.
The problem is I play a game toplay the game.
I'm not playing the game whenI'm listening to pre-recorded
dialogue options that everyother million players have had.
It doesn't feel like it's mystory.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
There's millions of people that watch your TV shows.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I don't know what it does, man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
You can't view it as a movie?
Yeah, I know you can't view itas a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Not even close.
No, not even close.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I have to admit, besides Ghost of Tsushima, one
game that I think would be theclosest for you would probably
be Last of Us.
The way it's handled,especially two, maybe not two,
maybe one more because it's morelinear, um, but I feel like
that's a lot more.
It's more like a movie in howyou play it I don't think that's

(01:05:36):
a selling point for him I knowso in games.
Let me tell you how bad it is Ithink it's probably the
negative, like it's the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
it drives them away from that If it's not a cutscene
and it's like an open worlddialogue.
I will see how far I can getaway from the open world
dialogue to where it will stilltrigger the event of them
talking.
So I can continue down thatwhile I'm doing the next part of
the thing, so I can hustle itall along.
Why?
Because I don't care.
Why are you like this?

(01:06:05):
I, I literally I could give afuck.
I'm there to play the game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
What's the combat like?
What's wrong with them I?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
just I want to have fun playing the game.
I don't care, that's like thenew gilbert's 2 janitor wilds.
Like it's all fucking beardialogue and I know people are
just going oh, it's a cute fuzzybear and I'm like, get me back
to playing the game.
I want to try.
Try the new weapon now.
How do I get that loot?
What do I go and do that's?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
so interesting I can't even rap.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Last week, the very first thing.
So I turned on, I got to thehotel and I was about to fall
asleep because it was later, itwas on a different time zone,
and I was like, oh, let me checkthem out and see what they're
talking.
And I opened up and the veryfirst thing I heard was balder's
gate doesn't even have strategy.
It's the worst gameplay I'veever experienced in a game and

(01:06:48):
I'm like you cannot like thegame.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
That's a fucking wild ass take I don't think I said
it had.
It has no strategy, but it hasless strategy even dylan was
like no strategy really.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
And you were like no, you're so passionate in that
mode, but I do also think you'rerage baiting.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, a little bit but the uh yeah, I don't need to
go into that, rehashing thatdialogue, but I had less than
divinity original sin, in myopinion, in terms of optionality
within the combat, but anyway,regardless um, that's funny, I
didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I wasn't like offended personally, I'm
offended I'm.
You're offended that I'm not.
You're offended that I'm notoffended, I'm offended that
you're not offended.
All right.
Well, it sounds like you wantto be offended about something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
I'm trying to bait you and it didn't work.
If you don't start that withmaster.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I don't want to hear it.
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Master, I baited you, yeah man.
I don't care about any of that.
I don't know what it like.
I don't give a fuck about games.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I mean honestly I'm at a point now where I don't
even really care to even have adebate with you around it like I
just accept that, that's whoyou are and I I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Well, it's like I can't my my brain's not wired
that like I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
The way you game is not fun to me, but I don't
really care, as long as you'rehaving fun that's what gaming's
about.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
There's definitely games that we can play together.
That's fun and I can appreciatethis.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
If I have to open up a spreadsheet to play a game,
I'm not gaming, I'm working, Ilove it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I was just in one today.
Actually, I could stilldefinitely appreciate Mass
Effect story.
But I'll tell you this I don'tremember my playthrough of Mass
Effect.
I remember synopsis videos thatI watched after the fact on
what the story is.
Then I can engage with thestory, but I want to play the

(01:08:37):
game.
That's what I'm playing thegame for.
I don't want to Wow, look atthat.
They did a really good job onthat ship.
Oh, look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Like me and Kyle do that.
We're like I'm standing in theCitadel watching the shitty CG
ships fly by Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
What an immersive world, so immersive Like Mass
Effect 1, where it's like a 2Dimage flying by the flat window.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yeah, I just don't.
It doesn't do anything for me,like I wish you could, if I
could transfer my brainchemistry in you just for like
one mission, so you couldexperience like how little I
care about it.
It's like it doesn't evenregister.
I don't think that would enticeme to want to do that it fucks

(01:09:26):
me up sometimes, because there'slike a lot of missions where
you have to listen to whatthey're saying so you know what
to do.
But, like that's why I usuallywait.
I try to see if there's like aquest log or something like
defeat the two lieutenants orwhatever, and then it's like,
okay, that's what I'm going todo.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
That's crazy.
Imagine Billy playing a gamelike like detroit, become human
until dawn, or he couldn't.
There's no way no if you're ina group setting, maybe if we're
like playing as like a group offriends, but like just sitting
by yourself, playing like anarrative film is basically what
those move, those games are Ifeel like a lab rat when I talk

(01:10:01):
to you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
You guys are the research scientists.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
We fucked up on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
What happened with this poor bastard?
I think that actually it's soforeign to you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
I don't.
Yeah, I can't.
As a human, I can empathize.
I cannot put myself in thatheadspace.
It's not normal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
I think that's actually a lot more common than
um that we're giving credit for.
I think the problem is is justyou're outnumbered in this small
group yeah, but I think thatthere's a shit ton of people
that are just like you sportsgamers.
It's just that.
Of the three of us, you're theoutlier yeah that doesn't mean
that it's an uncommon thing.

(01:10:44):
The way that you game.
I mean obviously not with howmany millions of people play
like games that are like thatyeah, you know so well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I know people that have literally thousands upon
thousands of hours of givers too, and they're like I don't
really know what the story is isme neither, but we're having
fun they've got thousands hoursin the game.
Good point with the store, thesports game.
There's no yeah storywhatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
It's just all content , all gameplay, all game.
And I wonder who's gonna winthis season and madden like well
, they play the the what, theseason mode or whatever, where
it's like you have the fakecoach, you have the fake draft
and, like you're, you sometimescreate a character and you have
to get drafted.
It's more of a management siminstead of a story.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
There are some games that I can get behind playing
just for the sake of gameplay.
I think a fun platformer,guitar Hero, guitar Hero, astro
Bot.
You're not playing Astro Botfor the story, you're playing it
for the Mario games.
I would never say that Iexclusively play games for the
story.
I'm just saying that's a verybig contributing factor, big

(01:11:48):
part of your enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Yeah, it's not like Mario Peach got stolen again and
I'm like no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
God.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
That's to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
It's the meme Like Bowser takes Peach away, he's
like he can't keep getting awaywith it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Takes Peach away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
He's like he can't keep getting away with it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
But that, for me, is why Elden Ring is a perfect game
, because the story is notthrust upon you, it sort of just
unfolds.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
But it gives you enough lore for a guy like me to
really sink my teeth into.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Yeah, and then I can go and watch an hour-long video
and be like, wow, that's reallyamazing.
Then that's there you go.
I've got if I was interestedenough in a game like where I
kind of want to pay attention toit.
I've never watched a synopsisvideo of guild wars, though
that's kind of funny.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
I'm just that is funny with how much time you put
in it's just because it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I mean, it's fucking written for weirdos.
I don't know.
It's such a weird story, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Can't be any weirder than a FromSoft game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
It's also they have, like they lose their identity
because, like the whole point inGuild Wars is, in Guild Wars 2
specifically, you're fightingelder dragons and then it turns
into you're like fighting themand you don't know why, and then
like even the npcs are sayingwe don't know why, and then like
you realize like you're killingthat all like the source of
energy in the world, and thenyou raise your own elder dragon

(01:13:10):
and it's like what the fuck is?
Okay, I don't care about this,I don't, whatever that's pretty
cool actually.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Yeah, you be you, I'm gonna go do my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
What if that was the secret?
You've been trying to get me toplay Guild Wars for 20 years.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
They have dragons.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
And you just tell me five seconds of story and I'm
like hooked.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
That sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I'm playing tonight.
I become a lore master, butterrible at the game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Dude the shit that people there are definitely deep
lore nerds in that fucking game.
Oh my god, they can tell youthe help text from a random
stick in the open world.
And you're like, what the fuck?
There's this game show that oneof the content creators hosts
and he'll ask the craziestquestions and people know this

(01:13:59):
shit.
And you're like, why do youknow that?
Like what it was?
Like the hint of a collectionitem, hinted at a brother of
this druid and you have to knowhis name.
You're like what the fuck?
How do you know that?
Yeah, anyway, dude, dude.

(01:14:21):
Dude, let's take care of this orwhat Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Frodo.
Let's like take care of this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Frodo, let's go.
It's like not even stonedanymore, it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I got the fucking munchies.
You want some llama spread?

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
So good, just eat a little bit.
Just chill the fuck out, bro.
It's like from.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Beverly Hills.
It's like getting worse.
The accent is getting thickerand thicker, like so lambda
spread man I'm gonna say itfucking fire I don't care that
you broke your arm I don't carethat you broke your elbow.
Yeah, no, I don't know that youdon't know that, you don't know

(01:15:00):
, you know what I'm gonna say it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I don't care that that means you don't know, that
you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
You know what I'm going to say it I don't care
that you broke your elbow,you've never seen it.
No, it's actually like this kidis getting bullied.
Yeah, he's like bullying is nota joke.
All right, let me make thatclear.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
But he's getting made fun of or whatever he's like.
You know what I'm going to sayit I don't care that you broke
your elbow and the guy's likewhat.
It's kind of sad because in hishead you know that he was like.
He thought this was going to belike a big drop.
You know like oh, oh, but itwas not Like.
The reaction was not like that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
But what I was really going to say is it's a little
controversial.
You're not going to watchseason 2.
No, I know it's going to launcha crap throwing party At Dylan
by both of us, by both of you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Hold on.
What do we Ignite over him?
There's like two things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I know that traditionally he doesn't like
high fantasy.
He's more of a sci-fi guy.
That's not that okay.
So it's not that games or filmgames games.
Okay, uh, you pokemon big haterhe doesn't actually like Mass

(01:16:23):
Effect.
That would be a coming outparty so when me and him first
became friends at work, I said Ilike Mass Effect and he wanted
to be a friend of me.
So he was like I like MassEffect too, and he's been having
to live this lie ever sinceI've watched eight hours of
synopsis videos.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Every night to refresh, just in case he gets
brought up.
And now he's coming clean.
I don't think I have a clue butgo ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
I was going to say because Baldur's Gate hooked me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Okay, right, remember I tried it.
It ruined you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
For other men it didn't hook me, but then I tried
it and eventually I got hooked.
What if we go back to Divinity2?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Original Sin.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah, now that I know how to play those games.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Well, was it you and I that played, or was it you and
I that played through the firstact.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I've always committed with you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
And he never showed up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Every time the three of us say we're going to do
something, I always stick it outwith you and then you get bored
because he never joins, andthen I end up playing by myself.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
And then I'm like, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
We had what was our squad party.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I was the sorcerer, you were the rogue, you were the
warrior, but I don't think itwas called a warrior Los or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Yeah, oh my god, yeah , some redhead.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yeah, but yeah, I'd say maybe we try again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Are you wanting to?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
well, that was my biggest thing is the combat
right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
No, his biggest thing , my computer.
It sucks.
It sucks, that's what he saidevery time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Now I got a Steam Deck.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Somehow that's going to run it better than your
computer.
No, but the screen's smaller,so you don't care as much yeah,
um, but yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I'm just thinking because you don't want to play
baldur's gate with us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You hate the game so much that you you guys, worst
game ever made, so blowing westill need to play baldur's gate
.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
We need to finish it.
Yeah, no, we need to finish it,I'm wait I love watching your
playthrough.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Yes, uh you should totally finish that playthrough
we should, we should we got.
I mean, we're like what, like15 hours in, like it's not, like
we're pretty far, yeah.
Yeah, there's like three orfour strings we've already
committed to our relationships.
I have carlack and he's gotshadow hurt shadow bay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Shadow bay.
Carlack is too much of a demonwoman.
She's just a big teddy bearthough she's a softyie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
You like being pegged .

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
I like to look at a human if I'm doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Not Lae'zel, I don't need a devil woman.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Shadowheart's human enough to get away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
How is she human enough?

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
She's not any less human than Liara.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Shadowheart's half-elf.
Shadowheart's not human.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I mean, she's half-human.
She doesn't look any less humanthan.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Liara would in Mass Effect or Tali.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Tali's got a mask, so it softens the blow.
Why am I?
On You're on Google Shopping.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
How do I get out of?

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
this category.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
We're buying a Bazel sweater.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I can't get out of that, couldn't get out of that,
that's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
You should hit alt B or something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Do you remember what you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
don't remember what Lazel looks like.
No, I'm going to pull it up forthe stream.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Hot With the bats note.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Okay, I don't.
I guess I'm here's a photo ofLazel I guess I'm thinking of.
I guess I'm here's a photo ofLazo I guess I'm thinking of.
I think I'm thinking of Karlakthe big brawny one, the red yeah
, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Karlak.
Karlak is the one that I'm oh,is that who you said?

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Okay, I don't think that's howyou spell it, but You're close.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Look at her when she's not in fight mode though.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Is that an MMA fighter.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
What do you want here , yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
you don't find her attractive?
No, All right.
Well, to each their own Bigdummy mommy.
That's the point, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I feel like you would love a woman to pick you up
into bed, carry you into bed atnight.
If only that's a mod.
That's like AI.
Oh, that's just art.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
That's not Stable diffusion.
I guess it's not as bad as Ithought.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
What did?
Did you think she was?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
some type.
There you go.
Yeah, that's what she lookslike I thought she had horns
coming out of her forehead.
She does.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
One of them is shaved off, one is broke.
Do you not see the horns?
Not really.
Not really Do you see thehuman-fied?

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Go down.
I don't see, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
So she does Go down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
There's a human version.
Yeah, I'm just not reallyfeeling it, guys.
Do you like that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
version better.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
I don't like this shit one better which one go
down?
Keep going, keep going keepgoing, keep going right side,
right here yep, this looks likeevery rocker model of yeah, like
, insert female warrior here.
Like, there you go insertfemale warrior here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
There you go.
That's carlack without the redand the horns yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Alright, so You're specious.
What about Lae's elf?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
No man, I want a human.
Give me ShadowheartShadowheart's half elf.
Yeah but elves Of the spectrumOf other species, elves and
humans are pretty fucking closeBecause she doesn't look like,
yes, a demon.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were that
shallow.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yeah, let me guess you like to save right before
you get to bang Astarian orwhatever his name is in bear
form.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Or whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Paulson.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Paulson in bear form.
Astarian is the vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Whatever the bear is, I'll have you know that there's
no character I haven't romancedin Baller's Gate.
I've tried them all.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
I have not Each time I try.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
I'm like damn Shadowheart, shadow, shadowbay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I always do this thing where I tease all of the
characters in Act 1 and then,when it comes time to make a
commitment, I'm like oh dammit,I like them all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Because they immediately shun you too, like
oh, you didn't spend the nightwith me, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Shatterheart, the one that takes the.
I also just had a curiositywhat do they respond like?
If you break up with them?
The one that takes it thehardest, karlak actually Shatter
.
If you break up with them theone that takes it the hardest,
karlak actually Shadowheart'slike she's kind of hurt, but
then immediately goes back tolike all right.
Well, whatever, karlak is theother one that holds on to it
and starts crying.

(01:22:52):
I'm going to die.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Can you romance the bones, dude?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
What about Alphira?
How?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
do you spell that Alfira?

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
A-L-F-I-R-A.
Let's just see if it's thespecific color, what about her?

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Take a look, she's got horns.
Let's change it up for thescreen here.
Is this literally the samespecies as Carla?

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Yeah, different color .

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
No, no, I thought because she looked a little more
feminine, this woman looks likethe definition of what do they
call those?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
A black widow when, like, she sleeps with you, gets
your demon seed and then slitsyour throat and you die on the
spot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
What Demon seed, yeah , man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Look, look it up.
Urban Dictionary.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
If you're the dark urge, you end up killing her
actually.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Yeah, I mean she looks like she's about to have a
dark urge.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
No, she's a sweetie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Is she Uh-huh Just?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
a little sweetie pie.
This chick will ruin your life.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I've seen these.
Look at that black widow.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
So, tieflings, the only difference between them and
an elf is horns and skin color,I guess, and tails Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
So literally almost everything about their
appearance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
They got the pointy ears.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
I don't.
If I'm going to romance, I'mgoing to romance something that
I would be attracted to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
A female who feeds off the mental, physical and
material means of a male, thenleaves him for dead.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Not demon seed.
Wow, that was a nice word forsemen.
Figure it out, boys.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
I'm too slow.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
We're too stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
I can't handle the intelligence Well interesting.
I have heard that term before,but just the way you described
it felt like an extreme versionyeah.
It slits your throat.
Acted it out and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
All right.
Well, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
What about Tali?
He's okay, because he canimagine she looks like whatever
you want her to look like Like ahuman under the mask Under the
helmet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Well, tali like Okay, so let's pull her up now From
Mass Effect.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Yeah, she only has one cannon face actually.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Yes, right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
That's pretty fucking close to human in my opinion.
But you don't know that tillthe third game, right?
So that's why I can kind of howdo I?

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
is it the horns?
Yeah I knew it, demon hornscoming out of the face.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I'm sorry, I just that's kind of a game changer
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
It's not I was like liara looks just as much alien
as Karlak and you were okay withromancing her, even though
she's not your primary pick.
It's not yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
It's definitely the horns.
Yeah, I mean okay, I'm notgoing to scroll too far in here,
because I'll probably start tofind some fan art.
What are these?

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
pin-up tally pictures , I know right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Like I, I'm going to find some Rule 34 shit real
quick here, but you don't knowuntil you know.
You don't know until you know,and then you see that photo and
you're like okay, there'snothing there that screams alien
, she just has a very intensebrow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Those eyes are pretty alien.
Those eyes look cool though.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
You don't see the rest of her head.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
She could have tentacles and if she did, it
would be immediately apparent tome that I am no longer
attracted to her so we are, youbuilt this beautiful loving
relationship with her and thenshe takes off her helmet.
You're like it's not workingthe foundation of every
relationship, even malefriendship, is sexual attraction
.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
I knew it did you guys, it's a side tangent did
you see that tlc show?
My husband is not gay no, whatit's in.
It's a new show.
I just heard about it on ontiktok and it's tlc, of course,
and it's about this like groupof husbands, like like couples,

(01:27:05):
and all the husbands suffer fromssa.
This is what they show on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
That's what they say on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
They say they suffer from it.
It's same-sex attraction, butthey're still married.
What's the women?
And then they go on campingtrips, all the guys alone.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Oh, man I contracted ssa wait to like do it like the
guys have a bro trip and theyget their, they knock their
rocks off and then they comeback to their wives.
I don't got the answer for youcoming up on next episode on tlc
, but they have like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
The learning channel.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Yeah, the episode snippet I saw this guy was on a
date, like they had her over fordinner at their house and it's
all the.
Every other couple there is.
The guy has SSA, right.
So they're like all makingthese dirty jokes at the guy.
This poor girl that, like it'sa blind date, has no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
So she thinks she's just hanging out a bunch of gay
dudes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Well, yeah, and so she like, as they leave, like
she knew it was a date, as theyleave, he's like, hey, listen,
you know I had a great time, butyou know, I I want to tell you
this now because I it's a bigthing, and she tells her that
and it's, she's like, oh, youknow, I thought it was really
brave of him to tell me.
It's like, fucking shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Well, okay, why do they word it as if they suffer?

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
It's like they caught it Because I think they're
Mormon or something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Like they were on a bus.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
I think they're, and then some person gave them
Fucking.
Dale sneezed on me and now Ilike him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Now I'm SSA Fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I'm goingSA.
I smoke his pole every threeminutes.
Damn it.
The only cure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Is to steer into his skin.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
I need to camp with these boys.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Once we explore each other, I will have purged my SSA
.
That's afflicted me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
I feel like you're missing a critical point Of the
show Because I just can'timagine that this is a real
thing it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
I think they're Mormon.
That is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Okay, so they're basically trying to suppress the
fact that they're just gay, butthe name of the show is my
Husband's Not Gay?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Yeah, wow, huh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
I think everyone needs to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
just TLC might be about eight years behind Life,
but I don't understand that likewell, okay, actually I there is
.
No, you know, I don't need tounderstand yeah, the whole point
is, that sounds insane.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
And then you go and you watch it yeah, and then
you're like yeah I feel kind ofsad actually that uh they're in
that situation, but they're notgay, so they can't be honest
with it, like I don't know whatthat would feel like to be
trapped, uh, by I don't knowyour upbringing, your religion.

(01:29:52):
To feel like who you are as aperson is an affliction, and now
it's like being made fun of fornational television like like
you have to know when you go onthat show.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
It's not.
What was the sign-ups like?
Oh, I'm definitely not gay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
All right, you're in, you're in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
You like to camp with men, Like what.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
It's probably 90% staged.
Honestly, it sounds insane.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
It sounds like a theater project in high school.
It's a little edgy, you knowfor the drama program.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
They got a B+.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah exactly, they made it in a show Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Well that's a good place to end it.
That's like my husband's notlactose intolerant, like I don't
know what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Oh honey, I love this cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
I can Mentally work through it.
I'm not, I'm not lactoseintolerant.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
I'm afflicted with LIS Lactose intolerant syndrome.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
I suffer from it, liz Liz.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
I think I believe I have Alright where can people
find us?

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
I think I believe I have All right.
Where can people find us?
They can find us.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
This is so dumb, YouTube, Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
Spotify.
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Any major podcast listening platform where you can
find us under Katie Ray Show,as well as right here on YouTube
.
We stream every Tuesday, 7 pm,pacific time, that's right.
And come join us, chat with us.
We have a lot of fun.
Pacific time, that's right.
And come join us, Chat with us.
You know we have a lot of funand yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Remember the good KD, you get the dub.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Bye guys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Bye.

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