The Monsterverse Saga Continues and MMORPG Futures Explored

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
3, 2, 1, we're live.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello, what up Dylan?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Not much.
How about you, billy?
Oh, I'm living the dream, baby,living the dream, just me and
Dylan tonight.
No, kyle.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Now I get actual focus.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, we actually centered the camera on us, Like
look at how legendary we are.
Last week was a good week, man.
We had Godzilla, this GodzillaX Kong film come out and Dylan
and I actually had a chance togo see it.
Midnight release at 7 pm.
You know how one does Midnight.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
I'm a huge Kaiju giant monsterfan and I love Godzilla and I
had a lot of fun with this movie.
I think it is definitely asilly movie that you kind of.
You just need to go knowingthat it's not going to be like,

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you're not going to think aboutit much, but the action in it
was great and just the monsterfights were so good.
In my opinion.
You get over.
I believe it's over 50 minutesof monster screen time and Kong.
It's kind of I would say it'smore of a Kong-centered film For

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sure, in my opinion, withGodzilla making little cameos,
but Kong really gets to show hispersonality off and then
Godzilla's just being a beastand it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
What did you think of it?
I loved it.
I didn't expect to love it asmuch as I did, and I had a great
time with it.
It was so much fun.
I wasn't actually put off thatmuch by the story.
I thought it didn't interruptmy enjoyment at all.
What I will say is this movieand I think movies really should
need to get back to this thismovie made a statement in the

(01:52):
first 15 minutes.
Oh yeah, it came out firing andI was like this is going to be
an insane film.
I cannot wait to watch this.
I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
And it starts you off in the action.
It's like, boom, you're rightthere and um.
I mean, the biggest complaintwith all these, with all these
godzilla movies from the umlegendaries monster verse or um,
is that they focus too much onthe humans, and they're I still,
they're getting better at it,but it's still too much in my
opinion.
Like, just do the whole movie,just do Kong and Godzilla.

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Like you showed in the movieKong doesn't speak, yeah, but
his time on the screen I didn'tcare.
I was like because they wereable to show his emotions and
kind of like you know him withthe little monkey and then how
you'd walk up to the big monkeys, and it was like I didn't need
anybody to talk for those scenes.

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And so I get that they want,for some reason, the actors to
be in there to explain it, tohave like a human plot.
But I just I didn't need it Idon't need it.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Honestly, the cgi was so it was spot on.
It was.
It was synonymous like thedifference in detail between
them and and what was real?
I mean, it was just youcouldn't even, you couldn't even
notice the difference.
Um, the sound, the audio quality.
I mean we saw it in imax.
I think that should bementioned because, yeah, that I
mean it was just over the top,perfect in terms of, like, the

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visual and audio fidelity.
Um, the fight scenes were termsof the visual and audio
fidelity.
The fight scenes were reallygreat.
I thought the audio cues weregreat.
Godzilla's scream was.
I felt like they really didn'tshowcase it.
It was kind of muted a littlebit.
It was more like it's a roarand not the iconic.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Not the one from the previous movies.
I mean it is, but it's kind ofThey've toned it down for some
reason.
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
What's up?
Something Cool Gaming.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I remember specifically like and I've told
this story on the podcast beforebut when I went to go see the
2014 Godzilla the very first onefrom the Monsterverse when
Godzilla roars in that movie, mypants shook Like that's how
loud and how like they crankedthat bitch up my pants shook for

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other reasons, yeah but thisone it's kind of like in the
background it was on.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
It was like, muddled with more of like the other,
maybe the music and the justlike the growl effect.
I don't know.
It wasn't the iconic screechfor me yeah, and so it didn't
take away from it, it just Ijust noticed it.
I was like, oh, that'sinteresting.
Maybe they're trying to moveaway from that sound in this
universe, or I hope not.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think they're just trying to kind of.
The one thing they're.
My one nitpick about godzillais they're kind of going a
little bit too much in theopposite direction of.
The complaints in the firstfilm were like you know, we
didn't see him enough and thatwhen he did show up he didn't do

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enough.
But now he does his atomicbreath so often.
It's like on rapid fire, it'slike on rapid fire, and in the
first movie that was a big itwas saved.
It was sick seeing him.
You're like, oh shit, he's gotatomic breath right now um, well
, let's just so.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Are we going to talk about the negatives, because I
think overall, we definitelyloved it yeah, I would recommend
go watch.
Yes, I guess let's get into thenegatives.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, godzilla spends a whole movie charging up and
like does absolutely nothingwith that well, and the thing
it's like I never felt like inthe last fight I never felt like
either of them were in danger.
No, like if you go like you cango watch king of the monsters
and you can watch the firstgodzilla and um, even kong, you

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can go watch those three othermovies, even godzilla versus
kong, all of those movies I feltlike one of them was in danger,
like oh man, they're gonna die.
This is like what are theygonna do?
This one I was like no, theygot, they got this in the bag.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
They're gonna fucking murder this little monkey yeah,
they had an enslaved likegodzilla version.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't know what godzilla?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
yeah, ice godzilla shima, which was absolutely
badass and I thought that wasreally cool.
But I would have figured thatshe would have probably tried to
help that godzilla and kong alittle earlier than like until
the shackle was broken.
I felt like that was a littleweird.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It was like it inflicted pain, but she couldn't
have snapped on him and justfroze his ass out, or yeah like
support it and didn't go like sogung-ho into trying to fuck up
godzilla or whatever well, andexactly you said, godzilla
powered the whole film, like hisplot point is powering up, like
that's his whole changes color.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, like irradiating radiation, just like
fully charged up and all hedoes is blast the like a
stormtrooper misses everything.
Yeah, it's well, let's talkabout scar, the villain here.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
At no point was I like over the top, impressed
with his authority and strengthI thought when he first showed
up and him and kong fought, Ithought that was a great
introduction.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
But then I slowly was like well, how is he gonna
fight godzilla, mothra and kongwhen kong almost pretty much
beats him one-on-one?
Yeah and it's like when kongwas pretty handicapped.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
It would be different , I guess, in my opinion, if
they had, if it had been scar asthe leader and then maybe more
warrior monkeys or somethinglike that way it's a whole army
of kongs, but no, it's literallyjust scar, like we.
There are other evil kongs, butthey don't fight godzilla at
all.
When godzilla joins the fight,it's just scar and shimu and

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that's it.
Well, no, actually, no, thereare in the zero gravity fight,
but they get wiped out easy,yeah, and then, like the one,
mothra just webs them to therocks.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah.
And then the one Kong was goingfor like part of the army was
going for baby Kong, yeah, andit made no sense.
It was like what did he do toyou?
Yeah, he's like straight upjust trying to fuck up this
little baby.
They had this intimate momentat the beginning of the movie
where they kind of give a nod toeach other, like yeah, he's,

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he's with me or whatever, andand you know, we're, we're gonna
be protected and safe becausehe's really strong, or you know,
kong is really strong and hewas like okay, okay.
It was like oh okay, they'rekind of buddies, whatever,
there's an understanding.
Then the next time you see him,he's fucking hunting down Baby
Kong.
You're like, oh okay, hebetrayed him.
I don't know what's happeninghere, but okay.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, but like you were saying, though, I didn't
feel like there's any stakesgoing into the final fight that
would make Kong or Godzilla Kong.
He just got a robot arm andthen he just kicked ass.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Fully upgraded.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, fully upgraded.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
And then Godzilla he didn't need to upgrade.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
He could have whooped their ass normally.
Except his aim sucked thismovie it did.
But I think that's that's mycomplaint of using too much
atomic breath.
I think that needs to be usedsparingly, because it is cool
but it has to, and it's too op,but you can't just use it like
it's a machine gun and Godzillawas.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, it was kind of wild.
It was wild, but definitelyoverall I mean it was just one
of those that you're just it's aspectacle.
Yeah, it is a spectacle.
I mean I loved.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
There were so many good fights in it, like the very
beginning one with Godzillawhen he fights the crab thing in
the town of.
Is it Rome or Italy orsomething?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think it is.
Yeah, it's Rome, because it'slike the Coliseum.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
That's such a cool fight.
And then the zero gravity fightin Middle.
Earth is awesome In.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
IMAX.
I was getting like straight upVR like.
Disney World style, like thrillride vibes.
I was like whoa, oh shit,disney World style thrill ride
vibes.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I was like whoa shit.
I'm just in a theater and I'mfeeling that the Rio de Janeiro
fight is all right, it's alittle bit like it's one monkey
against three people and he's askinny monkey, scar.
But yeah, the other complaint Iwould would say is the people.

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I I just don't care for him andI know god, I know godzilla can
have good, interestingcharacters, because godzilla
minus one has like a reallyengaging story of the humans.
I couldn't care less for theseguys, especially they're making.
My one issue is they're makingjokes every scene.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's like they're just trying to get one to land
and it's like okay.
And their purpose is todescribe what Kong is thinking
and doing.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, they're exposition machines.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I mean when a plot of A point of character
development is the fact that shegot a haircut, because you
remember she was like fact thatshe got a haircut, because you
remember she's like I'm like, oh, I got a shorter hair.
Oh yeah, they mentioned likethree or three times.
You're like, okay, all right,but again, it didn't bother me,
like it wasn't.
Nothing took away.
I felt like it wasappropriately paced.
I don't think I could, I don'tthink I would enjoy as much a

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movie of like full kong andgodzilla.
I feel, like I would need somekind of commentary.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yes, but I what I mean by that is like, right,
Interesting people like have youseen Godzilla minus one?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, I did.
You like his story.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Not really.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, okay, well, I did .
I thought it was interesting,um, but yeah, get me more
intrigued than wacky scientistguy crazy podcast guy scientist
and daughter guy.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
The guy is like trapper, the foremost dentist
who like replaces a tooth andthen also just happens to have a
fully functioning automatic,like atomic arm, to like fire up
and you know, help kong out.
I was definitely lazy, but itwas just like good, I don't want
to hear, I don't want to wasteany time collecting this, like

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just keeping the action, yeah.
So I I appreciated that becauseI was like I don't need a 45
minute dedication to them goingand then the shipping and
logistics of getting that downthere like no, I know well, like
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's already here great I did like um godzilla
versus kong.
I like those humans a littlebit better, like you have
alexander Skarsgård and then youstill have the little girl, but
I thought she was betterwithout special powers when she
was just like the girl that hasa connection with Kong because

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they lived on the same island,rather than she has psychic
powers, and so I like that crewand I thought that one was more
cohesive than this one I feltlike the little girl's character
development was strange,because it opens the movie and
she's like I don't belonganywhere, all my people are dead
.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
And then she finds her people and then, like her
and her mom, have like oneconversation yeah, like you're
wherever you go, I go.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, you know it's like a throwaway comment that a
parent says, then they bring itback as an emotion and then it's
like the next day they go downand they go and like experience
all this.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
She finds all her culture.
She celebrated, like thisfucking princess, that she's
like the prophecy girl and she'slike no, I want to go back to
middle school with you and andit's like.
I don't know about that.
You're down here with Kong, whoyou have a huge connection with
.
Why?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
And she kept asking he's lonely, I want to go visit.
Yeah, the whole movie.
And then she's like no, I wantto go back to middle school,
what, what?
I don't know, man yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
And then like why was the podcast guy there To show
the uh, to show that some thingsneed to be kept secret?
Because he never posted hisvideos, that's right, so don't,
you don't need to filmeverything I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know, he out of all the characters to bring
back from Godzilla vs Kong, nothim would have been my opinion.
You don't need to bring backMillie Barg Brown either.
Thank God, thank.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
God, I think she's been oversaturated.
I don't know, I'm not sold onher as an actress.
Eleven was, I think, a funcharacter, but it was like
Stranger Things popped up andthen she just is in everything.
I'm like, all right, I think afun character, but it was like
Stranger Things popped up andthen she just is in everything
and I'm like, all right, I don'tknow about this.
So Godzilla or Kong.
Who do I prefer?
Yeah, I feel like I'm a fan ofKong.

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I feel like Kong has just everyadvantage.
He's so mobile and athletic andcan move so fast, and I feel
like Godzilla, I don't know what.
I don't really know where hispower and strength comes from.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Radiation.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well, I get that, but like, functionally, just like
if you look at the physiology,I'm putting my money on Kong
every day of the week.
If they're the same size, youknow like one has mini arms.
I know his arms keepcontinually getting bigger and
longer.
Yeah, his arms are now likeregular size, but like nothing
like Kong and he certainlydoesn't have the flexibility

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like Kong and I don't know, Imean Kong certainly can't swim
like Godzilla can.
But yeah, I'm taking Kong allday and I think Kong is fight
scenes with kong I think aremore fun to watch.
I think it's they're, they'reyou can do more like creative
shots versus godzilla's, likewrestle wrestle, wrestle

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charging.
Oh man, oh, slight miss, okay,I'm gonna wrestle wrestle
charging.
Oh man, oh, it hit.
Oh, you know, I don't know.
That's kind of my, my feelingversus kong you can.
I mean he was like wall runningthis one.
He was like hopping around likeyou, like you couldn't really
much more mobile.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, athletic I um, I think I think they could do
that with godzilla, like notmake him mobile, but I think
they could make his fights moreinteresting, because if you go
watch, like the first one, um,him doing the, the atomic breath
down the throat, like that wasnew and that was so cool, and

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they haven't.
Really it feels like they tryand revisit it too much, like
they're like oh, you rememberthis and it's like, okay, but
show me like something else.
Cool, right, because that was Ido like how Godzilla fights,
because he's a lot more, he'snot as mobile, so he has to be
very Tactical he has to hit hard.
Yeah, and that's what alwaysmakes it fun with his tail, when

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he just whacks people.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yep, but again it's like there's only one real move
with that, like tailspin,tailspin yeah, tailspin.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I was sad with the zero gravity.
That was the perfect chance forthem to do the tail slide meme
dude yes where he kickedsomebody.
That would have been hilarious,I bet.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I bet it was on like I bet you they had it edited,
yeah, twice and they're likeit's too too on the tongue.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, but so supposedly the director, adam
Wingard, is the guy who madethis one, but he said that this
one was definitely Kong's film,more Kong-focused.
But if he gets the chance to doa sequel, it's going to be more
Godzilla-focused version ofthis.

(17:22):
So I'm down for that.
Like I would love Godzillaneeds version of this.
So I'm down for that.
Like I would love Godzillaneeds a solo movie.
I think I get that they're agood team together, but I kind
of do miss their solo movies.
Like I want it to just beGodzilla and just be Kong.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Godzilla is too reckless.
I mean, he destroys so muchpublic property.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, that whole last fight they were just destroying
.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Rio Like Rio they were jumping around, rolling
like.
How many people died goingthrough that you know Also, I
like how the subtle mention likethere's four titans on Earth at
any time, like any given timeLike six.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
There's like six yeah .

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Like Godzilla goes right towards the one that like
is apparently the greatestenergy source on planet earth
okay, sure charges up, just sitsin his bubble of energy, you
know absorbing it, and like,okay, why didn't you stay in
that?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I, I it's hard to find like the power cap yeah of
these beings, but and I meanwe're I hope they get can keep
getting crazier, because we havewe haven't even touched really
on the aliens and like spacegodzilla, like there's a whole
planet and they have names of,like they're like called zillion
or zillions or something,zillions I don't know there's

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like a whole race of aliens thatgodzilla goes into.
I don't know if we'll ever getthere, but I do hope we at least
get Space Godzilla.
That'd be cool.
Space Godzilla is a clone ofGodzilla.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was going to say is that, like Mecha Godzilla,
mecha Godzilla.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Kind of he's an alien clone that has these huge
crystals on his arm, on hisshoulders, and he can fly.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Who built it?
The alien race?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I think I don't know the full history, or is it just
like?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
a rich, scary guy trying to take over.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, it's like the alien race got a hold of
Godzilla's DNA and they make himand him or Destoroyah would be
cool Like some big, big villainwould be cool Like I loved
Ghidorah, he was a cool villain.
The three-headed golden dragonScar didn't reach that level of
coolness for me.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I feel like he could have been, but I felt like they
did so much time, they spent somuch time of Kong trying to find
his people.
That was a huge chunk in thebeginning.
And then they show him and hecomes out and he's kind of like,
oh, he's got some swag.
Oh, he hits hard.
But it was kind of clear untilhe cheated that he kong, was

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gonna win well, and the thing isis like you know that happens
kong, kong loses.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Supposedly godzilla is charging up because he knows
these monkeys are coming backright like he's like piss.
He's like I'm gonna beat theseguys up.
One he fights scar.
In the short moment they fight,godzilla obliterates him like
he tries to throw his littlewhip.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Godzilla just catches it and breaks it and it's like
dude didn't even, and it waslike it took both kong and him
to kill him the first time andit was like he didn't even have
the slave ice.
Yeah, I don't know what.
I don't know.
It was kind of weird.
It was all over the place fromthat perspective.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
But it's amazing how much visuals can carry a friend
or just like good choreographedfights and good motion capture,
like especially face wise forkong, like those scenes like you
said, it's it's a lot of himlooking for his family and those
scenes they don't really umhave people talking and like
explaining his feelings and histhoughts, it's just his facial

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features and now he's expressinghimself and I love those.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I thought those were great.
Yeah, he's growling with thelittle monkey, little evil
monkey, that's gonna be my.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
That was probably my favorite part of the film,
though and they start huckinghim around.
Yes, weapon because thetrailers show this little monkey
and you're like, oh, he's gonnabe good, or you're like he's
gonna be god's little baby.
But then you learn that he's anevil little monkey and godzilla
uses him a weapon well konguses it or kong.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I mean yeah and it just shows you how durable these
things, these guys are.
He's just like whack, whack,that whack, whack throws him
across, and then he's like andyou're like oh shit, I feel
immediately bad yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
But that was cool as hell, crazy man.
I'm glad they aren't making itto PG-13 too.
As far as the fights and thegruesomeness, like Godzilla, I
think in the beginning we see alot of blood Like doesn't he
hold a monster above him and herips him in half.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Scar is the homie, Malachi says.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Scar is the homie.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
He had that lean man.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
He did, walked out.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
He had all the women.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
All the women and he kept the slaves moving rocks
back and forth.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
He got lazy, he lost his objective.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Muscles were atrophying.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Did you ever look up and figure out what the heck the
moving of rocks was to signal?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
They were building a pyramid supposedly.
That somehow I did not see.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Was it the volcano itself that they were building?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
up they were trying to reach I don't know what they
were.
Online it just said they werebuilding a pyramid and I was
like, all right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
This world looked incredibly unstable.
I mean, kong found it not thatlong, and he's been down there
for how long?
It's the subdermal layer of theinner earth, so like they were
in the subterranean, and thenthey go in the subterranean and
then they go into thesubterranean of Hollow Earth.
But in Hollow Earth.
Kong could just look up and seethe portals easily, but in
subterranean you couldn't seethat.

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But all they had to get was towhere Kong was in Hollow Earth,
and then they would have beenable to go.
Oh, that's where you get out.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, supposedly the crack didn't show up until
recently and that's why thatdistress signal was coming out.
It's because the EWI peopleknew that crack had happened.
They were saying Godzilla comekill these monkeys.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I thought these people EWI.
I thought these people had aconnection to Kong.
Now they got a connection toGodzilla.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
They have a connection to the Titans Is
there a reason.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
They just a connection to Kong.
Now they got a connection toGodzilla.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
They have a connection to the Titans Is kind
of what I understood.
They just pray really hard,they got psychic abilities.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Malachi says no, no, no, no, they were moving rocks
from one place to the next.
They were.
That's how you keep people busy.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
This is the same strategy that the government
takes.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Keep them under your thumb.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
They're too tired to think.
They're too tired to think.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
They're too tired to run.
What a wild movie, so goodthough I know.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's doing good in the box office, so the hopes of
us getting a sequel are prettygood.
I would say it beat Dune.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Let's talk about that .

Speaker 2 (24:02):
That's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Do you think Dune is affected negatively because dune
1 came out at home, becausecovet hit?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I couldn't watch it.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I guess you could watch it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Maybe I don't know if theaters were open at that time
well, tell me this I think duneis a niche like I don't think
it has, and godzilla is not, notas much.
I think dune is a little morelike it's a sequel it's a sequel
and it's a niche of like youhave to like.
You know you have to see thefirst one and then also you have
to like this type of sciencefiction versus godzilla is like

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godzilla's almost turning intolike fast seven, you know, like
you could just go with yourfamily to see it.
Totally You'd have fun, Dude.
What if Vin Diesel just showsup and fucking?
That would be hilarious Familydrive.
They had a crossover ofGodzilla and Kong versus the

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Justice League.
Oh boy Godzilla killed Supermanfor a little bit, temporarily.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
With his breath yeah, okay, all right.
Well, there you go.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
So Godzilla wins, yeah I think it probably could.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
So if I did watch Dune a couple days before I went
and saw Dune 2, I would havebeen probably totally lost.
At least the way I want towatch it, knowing everything and
how it trickles, I would sayDune 2 was better than godzilla
con that you've seen it rightyeah, I know you with me, I
would agree.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think dune 2 is better, but also I I think that
lends to that like I don't knowif it'd be that way for everyone
.
Like I said, I think dune is alot more niche and like if you
can get into Dune, to whereyou're all about the planet Dune
and you can get into thepolitics, it's a lot of politics
.
It's a lot of politics, butit's interesting when you can

(25:54):
turn your brain to that, likeGame of Thrones right, you can
get into the political intrigue.
It's active listening versuspassive listening, yeah, and so
I don't think most people canget into dune like that.
I think it takes a certain typeof person versus.
Godzilla, I think, has aneasier barrier to entry I could

(26:15):
see that.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I could definitely see that.
I, yeah, I think dune for mestill was more enjoyable, just
because that story and I I getinto really like those stories
that have a lot of depth to themand yeah, interesting politics
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
You know like shit comes from the lore is amazing,
like I mean so amazing.
The thing is is godzilla loreis cool, but in this monster
verse film it's not.
They're like they're they'regiving us little drip feeds of
like.
Oh yeah, by the way, this eeweepeople that you've never heard
of.
They've been best friends withany of the titans and they

(26:51):
basically are best.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know they can talk to them, they send a signal
and they got better technologyokay yet they, yet their entire
civilization perished at onetsunami.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, so it's like it was like wait huh, it's like if
they were to go into.
They have tons of monsters andcool lore in godzilla that I I
know they're just scratching thesurface of like they could go
deep, we could.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
We don't even have jet jaguar do we have an origins
movie, like with the tight,like not godzilla, not kong,
like an Origins with like theTitans and this?
That would be kind of aninteresting movie.
And it may be it ends with youkind of like with it alluding to
Godzilla and Kong or whatever,but like it sets up the EWI

(27:36):
people, it sets up the Titansand who they are and what their
connection to Earth is and whythey're here.
And are they aliens, are theynot?
That'd be kind of aninteresting movie.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I would love that if it was like about got my brain
juice flowing out, you couldhave the movie be like about.
It would be a little bit ofgodzilla's origin, along with
kong of like shows, theirparents and then how they died
and then how they became,because godzilla, as far as we
know, is the last of his kindand kong is well, he was until

(28:07):
he found these, these othermonkeys.
But it would be cool to see thegreat war between the kongs and
the godzillas that supposedlyhappened.
That we learned about ingodzilla versus kong is they
were like they.
There was a huge war and theyall killed each other.
I would love to see that.
That would be cool.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, it would.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Imagine like hundreds of Godzillas versus hundreds of
King Kongs On their own planet.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
So it's like, built for it.
You know perfect what wouldthat civilization look like.
What do they hunt?
What do they eat?
Yeah eat each other.
Holy shit, I like that.
Isn't the TV show like that?
Isn't the TV show like that?
Malachi-ass, is there aGodzilla TV show?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yes, well, the TV show is more.
It's called Monarch.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I knowthat and it does kind of explore
the origins, but it's more oflike I don't know.
It's more the origins ofMonarch itself, the monster.
I don't even know what they are, but they watch monsters.

(29:08):
They're the people who knowabout Titans besides the EWIs.
It's kind of more the origin ofthat.
I only watched a coupleepisodes.
I didn't finish it because itwas alright.
It was alright, it didn't hookme super fast was it the visuals
or the storytelling?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
storytelling yeah, that could bite you in the ass,
and I was waiting for KurtRussell.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
He didn't show up yet who put on this production?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
HBO Max you see, HBO has it figured out too.
They got a winning model.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I mean I'll go watch it more probably.
I just couldn't get into it yet.
I'm pretty sure it was justabout the origins of Monarch.
Correct me if I'm wrong,malachi, if you watched it more
of it, but I think it was justorigins of Monarch.
But I would love to see thatancient king kong versus

(30:10):
godzilla fight.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That'd be cool that would be sick dude.
Like unpower cap, like what ifthat?
Like obviously we've seengodzilla and kong get both, get
bigger and bigger and bigger andbigger.
What if, like you just getbigger with age and the ancients
are just even bigger?
Well, that'd be cool that'd becrazy.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
And this is the size of the planet.
It's like they.
What if you just get?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
bigger with age and the ancients are just even
bigger.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
That'd be cool, that'd be crazy.
This is the size of a planet.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's like they jump off a planet and the fucking
planet goes the other way,because they are so big, so big,
they could even do it's onApple TV, he said.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Oh, it is Apple TV which is weird.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Which is why it sucks then, Godzilla vs Kong.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Godzilla and Kong are HBO Properties.
Maybe, Apple made a deal withHBO.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
On Kong Legendary.
I guess Legendary is who ownsKong.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
And I think Legendary is a WB.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Maybe they're a primary shareholder in Apple TV
or something.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
There's always like incestuous all that weird stuff,
he said he's never seen it yeahthey could even have a human
story of like cavemen if theywant to add humans.
I don't think you need to.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I feel like I always felt like with Transformers they
should have done somethingsimilar they are.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
That's the newest one that's going to come out.
You're right, it's on.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Cybertron, cybertron, you're right.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I feel like it's about time People have been
asking for forever.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Because to me it's kind of okay.
But what, what, why?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
um, there's an ancient war on my planet.
Exactly, we lost.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh so we came here to fuck it all up.
We're hiding here, so now we'regonna get no, I would love to
see what the budget for thisfilm is see okay, but I think I
would love to see what thebudget for this film is.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
See okay.
But I think it would probablybe easier to justify to
shareholders Cybertron moviethan Godzilla, because Cybertron
they already talk and I thinkshareholders are scared of
movies where people don't talk.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I would think so.
They made a Kong movie yearsago where it was like it wasn't
kong, it was that big gorillaking kong no with jack black no,
no, no, no, it wasn't that.
It was like uh, I'm gonna haveto look it up kong school island

(32:40):
no, it was nothing part of thisuniverse.
It was just a big gorilla andhe was just.
They had to hide him away.
I don't remember the movie.
If anyone in the chat remembersthis movie.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's not King Kong.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, I don't think he went by King Kong at all.
He went by Ben, or somethinglike that.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Oh, that's not King Kong, then I know, that's what
I'm saying.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
But they made that movie and it followed him around
and from what I remember, it'sbeen decades, was it Ben?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
It might have been, but I know what you're talking
about now.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
yeah, Because he was big and he was a gorilla but it
wasn't Kong.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
It wasn't Kong.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
A little on the nose but and it followed him around
there wasn't much talking.
And then you remember anotheranimal movie, the horse one,
spirit.
You remember that Rampage?
No, it wasn't Rampage, I don'tthink.
No, we'll look it up, I'll lookit up here.
But they made Spirit that hadno talking and I don't think

(33:39):
people liked that either.
It was like one of those.
Oh, that was really creative.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Now let's never talk about it again well see, I think
was it mighty joe young.
Yes, mighty joe, and it waslike a simple name mighty joe um
, before we get too far, Iwanted to see if you've noticed.
Did you notice?
They've never called in thisnew kong godzilla.
They've never called him KingKong.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
You're right, they don't have the right.
He's not a king.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, they don't have.
It's weird, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
So you're saying this is Mighty Joe.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
This is Kong.
Oh, are they somehow gettingaway with that?
They can call him Kong, butthey can't call him King Kong,
for some weird reason.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
What about?
Can they do the same with theIncredible Hulk, do they just?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
reference him as the Incredible Hulk every single
time.
I don't know.
Amazing Hulk.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
It's weird, though right Harambe is something cool
gaming says yeah, yeah.
Harambe reincarnated.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Mighty Joe Young had a lot of talking.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
It's been so damn long Because it had Bill Paxton,
Charlize Theron.
Yeah, they wouldn't waste thosepeople.
When did this come out?
1998, man, I remember that film.
It was such a goofy.
It was fun though.
I liked it.
Okay, transformers 7, I guesswhich is the Cybertron movie,

(35:00):
I'm assuming?
I think yes $200 million budget,which actually today seems
pretty conservative, consideringthat they've already had movies
.
The Revenge of the Fallen was$400 million.
That was the budget.
Yeah, we could have had a guesttonight, daniel, you want to

(35:21):
come on over?
How are we doing, daniel?
Good to see you in the chat.
We're talking about movies andwe're talking about transformers
now, I guess getting an originstory and it'd be cool to bring
that to the monster verse andjust to set up the titans,
because I think there is andmaybe they want to play on that
like because they they can go alot more direction.
But I feel like, at least forsomeone who's not even remotely

(35:46):
studied into the monster, yeahthe, the, the origins of the
titan.
They make no sense to me.
It's almost like, oh, a demonspawns on earth and then
godzilla goes and kills it.
Like that is my interpretationof it and I just kind of go
along with it because it lookscool and I guess it doesn't
really matter maybe there isn'tdude.

(36:08):
This monster verse is decadesold.
They have to have some kind ofwriting on this or some history
I am.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I mean, you would hope yeah right, but maybe for
like the the the monster verseorigin story.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
What if you know how they?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
got into the E we have psychic kinetic
communication.
What if they did the monsterspsychokinetic talk to each other
?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
And then there were subtitles.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
No, it was like voiced by people.
Follow me.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
What if they gave Kong a little girl's voice?
Hello, hey, want to be myfriend.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
That would be funny.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
That would be so lame .
Mothra would have to be like aCate Blanchett or something
crazy.
You know what I mean.
Like some powerful.
Powerful saving woman OG youknow that's played some badass
characters.
Then they'd have to have like aGodzilla could be like Darth
Vader.
You'd have to add some effectsto Godzilla.

(37:15):
I feel like, just because he,king Kong, doesn't feel like an
alien, godzilla feels like analien.
So you'd have to add somethingthere.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Kong could just be like the absolute epic Optimus
Prime style voice.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You could have Kong be.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Ron Perlman would be perfect.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
As who.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm assuming Kong.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
As Kong or Christopher Judge, the guy that
did Kratos.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Oh, perfect, right, Perfect Boy.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yes, that'd be good.
Yeah, and for Godzilla you needsome type of modulator or some
type of like to make him soundotherworldly.
I've been smoking for 35 yearsand now this is my voice.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
That would be horrible.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
He's like come on, kong, we need to beat up the
other guys.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Kong's like I have to talk like this now.
Ron Perlman would be sick.
Actually, I feel like RonPerlman should be in more.
He should.
I feel like everything he doesis so good.
He's got this iconic look abouthim I don't know what it is.
I feel like everything he doesis so good and he's got like
this iconic look about him.
I don't know what it is.
He just looks so masculine andand he, he was the one that did

(38:29):
uh, hellboy, right, he was, hewas hellboy like.
Those are so good.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Um, well from what it's just from his.
Maybe he doesn't want to do asmuch as he could, but and, from
what I know, he is very biasedto work with Guillermo del Toro.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Pacific.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Rim, Guillermo del Toro.
All the Hellboys, Guillermo delToro.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
What was he in Pacific Rim?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
He's the black market dealer.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Oh shit, you're right .
Yeah, it's like a cameo almost.
He's not really in that film.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
He's quite a bit Well because they go to his bunker
right to hide, and then he comesout and then he gives him some
tips, like then he gets eaten.
It's like, yeah, like 30minutes, I guess, I don't know.
You know, technically the uhpacific rim is owned by
legendary, I would have figuredit's the same fucking thing,
monsterverse monsterverse, andwhat do they call those?
Jaegers, that would be cool.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Although they can't Dude a Yeager versus Godzilla,
come on.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, the Yeagers are too small, way too small.
Godzilla's huge.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
They're going to need triple piloted Yeagers to
handle that much power that muchbrain load.
Or just more badasses that cancontrol.
I don't really, I don't havefaith in that to make another
good Pacific Rim me neither, andI honestly think it's kind of a
weird concept.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I love the concept the first film is, it's still
like top film for me.
But that second one ruined somuch, so much good faith.
The first one had, the firstone had flavor.
That's substance.
You know, I don't know whyguillermo's like nah, I don't
want to do the second one, I'mgonna work on the way of water

(40:10):
or whatever, didn't he?
He won an award for that.
For what?
The way of water avatar?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
no, he, he he made an avatar to a way of water isn't
that the name of the movie?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
it's probably called that, but um, there's a.
There's a movie called the wayof water, or the way let's see
do you know the way?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
how's everybody doing tonight in chat?
What up kyle?
The shape of water the shape ofwater.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, and it's like this love story between tuning
in.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
You're tuning in guys .
Give us a like on the stream.
It really helps the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yes please do.
It's a love story between theBlack Lagoon monster and a girl
Like a human.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Like that's a movie and I think it won.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
That's the same trope as Beauty and the Beast.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
It is yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's been done.
It's been perfected.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Why can't it be a?
What about a boy and a beast?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
It was nominated.
I don't think it won, but itwas nominated for Best Picture,
best Actress, and so that's whatGuillermo did, instead of
Pacific Rim 2.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
So who did too?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Some loser.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Some offbeat.
Well, I'll tell you, I Ithought both of them were watch
it be adam wincard I thoughtboth of them were fine.
I, I didn't.
I didn't walk away from eitherand go.
That was amazing.
It just there's no way thatthat version of Jaeger's,
Because the problem too was thatthey were always out of money

(41:47):
and they could never do anything.
Really cool.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And it was always so desperate.
Okay, I don't know, he didSpartacus and that's his claim
to fame.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
The TV series Spartacus.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Okay, all right, I couldn't get into Spartacus.
I know some people who freakingloved it.
Okay, all right, I couldn't getinto Spartacus.
I know some people who freakingloved it.
I don't know, it was just, Idon't know.
I saw 300 and I felt like I wasgood.
I don't know, I felt like thewhole Jaeger thing.
They were constantly on theverge of shutting down the
Jaeger program.
I want to see something fullyfunded, like Jaeger's, ready to

(42:23):
go.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And invade their planet.
That would have been dope Dude,that would be sick Going
aggressive.
Instead they made the secondfilm, and now we're never
getting there.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Well, now we know, there's like a hollow earth and
then the subterranean.
What about, like in the oceans?
Like you know, that's literallythe same concept as the Meg.
Have you seen that?
Where they go below theMarianas and there's big fish
down there Big octopus, giantsquid.
We gotta go deep Hollow water.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
What's going to be inside of the subterranean level
of Hollow Earth?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Earthlayer.
Yeah, Inception it's gonna be.
Yeah, leonardo DiCapriodreaming wow, I'm three levels
deep man, where am I?

Speaker 2 (43:15):
man, I'm excited, though.
I'm so happy we're gettingthese movies, cause I just can't
get enough giant monsters Likefighting.
It's my favorite and I'm eating.
Good, we got Godzilla minus one, we got this one.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
And apparently, if Transformers Cybertron is only
going to cost $200 million,maybe this stuff's finally
getting cheaper.
They don't have to spend half abillion dollars to make a
two-hour film.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And it's going to gonna be watch them throw humans
in.
Somehow they'll be like we'regonna have time traveling main
characters.
That way we have ourself-insert of humans for you
it's so crazy how much moneythis thing, these things cost I
know well, and then you look at,like you look at uh godzilla x
kong right and with the budgetfor that was 135 million, I

(44:05):
think the one we just watchedwas 135 I think that's what I
read, yeah, well that's reallyawesome, because godzilla versus
kong a couple years ago thatwas 400 million really yes,
because I memed on it on theactual on our stream, because I
was like do movies really costthis much?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
like are we really spending this much for?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
for just 135, yeah, 135 135.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Look at what the look at.
Look at what the last one wasnot the minus one, but the the
one 470 million yeah.
So maybe, maybe we have hadlike some kind of breakthrough
where we're finally getting alittle cheaper.
That's like half, less thanhalf, that's like a third, and I
feel like this was higherquality, was it, millie Bobby

(44:52):
Brown?
Millie Bobby Brown, we're goingto pay you $170 million.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
They were the ones that were like.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That's huge.
You're telling me this moviethat we just watched, this
two-hour film, costs $135million.
Yeah, sign me the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well then you look at Godzilla Minus One $15 million
and that one, yes, you can tellit's lower budget, but heck, it
looks good.
It still looks great and youcan ignore it.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Something Cool.
Gaming says dude.
It's crazy how good the CGI isin the first few Transformers
from like 20 years ago.
Oh my God, we talk about it allthe time.
That was the first time CGI wasalways a thing, first time that
I saw it where it was like ohmy God, blew your pants off.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
It was so good.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
When you see that first transition of Optimus
Prime and all the parts and theoil filter flips out and it's
all transformed, you're likethis is incredible, we're in the
future.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
And then it was followed by Iron man 2008, which
has amazing practical and CGI.
I'll go back and watch it and Ican't tell the difference when
they're using CGI and not.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
That's 20 years ago, man.
You yeah, it's amazing, that's20 years ago, man.
You're absolutely right, that's20 years ago so it's.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
It was probably metal was easier, huh, and that's why
, like iron man and transformerslooked it's good light on
texture right versus shiny fleshoh dude, flesh like godzilla
and kong yeah like.
That's why godzilla, you know,and kong, and even pacific rim a
little bit, all their fightsare at nighttime because it's
less diffusion of light, I think.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Light is the easiest thing, like you see in video
games, like in Unreal Engine,how many every single update
they're getting better withlighting better with lighting,
better with lighting.
It's so hard to do.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
You go, look at Godzilla, King of the Monsters.
All of his fights are obscuredby some type of weather effect
because it makes it easier onthem.
Now they must be getting to thepoint where it's.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
That's insane.
Why isn't more people talkingabout that, that that two-hour
movie basically 100% CGI oftop-notch CGI costs one-third of
what the movie did a few yearsbefore that, and the studio must
be like.
Yeah, it worked.
Proof of concept.
Maybe this technology isgetting, maybe AI helped with

(47:13):
this, I don't know.
I just feel like that's asignificant difference.
Yeah, dude, that's three.
You said it was $470.
$470.
That's like $40 million dollardifference and it's already made
opening weekend it's alreadycleared it's four.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah it's already made its nut back.
That's crazy.
Imagine how long it took forgodzilla versus kong to make its
money back we're gonna startseeing some crazy shit.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I mean, if we that's getting down, this is like a
triple, a production now there'slike good director, decent cat
like there was some heavyhitting.
Casts on there um heavy hitting, heavy hit.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's the right term .

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I don't know some middle hitting middleweight
maybe lightweight there's, one,middle there's.
There's like that lady, thelady, the lady.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
And then, other than that, they're like but the
podcaster yeah, could have putus in there, man, we could have
been in it we could have Viewers.

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Speaker 1 (48:26):
I don't know why.
I mean, the dennis was pretty,I'm kidding he's a famous actor,
right I didn't in his firstmovie.
Um no but, like three.
That's the difference of 300.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
You can make this movie two more times well, I
think I'm like I I'm really intoum visual effects.
Artists react with corridordigital on youtube and so I
watch those videos a lot andjust seeing the progress of of
the technology is increasing andthen I can only imagine like
you have the movie avatar 2,right wave of water and the

(49:00):
amount of money that they pourinto that to come up with new
technology.
I'm sure that gets shared easilywith other companies which we
benefit from because it makes itcheaper yes, like the water
effects, they're alwaysconsulting groups yeah, the
water effects, like what we havewedded, digital, we have, um,
uh, industrial light and magic,those ilm those are the two that

(49:22):
I know by name like cgi, bigcompanies, and I'm sure they
share they sure they probably dohave stuff that's like this is
only what we can offer to yourfilm, um, but I'm sure, like
water, physics and stuff likethat, they're like, here you go,
open source yeah, it's like itgets.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
It just becomes known .
Yeah, right, and now they haveI mean they have like all these
assets on kong at this point sothey can repurpose them and
godzilla and godzilla and mothranow and like now they can kind
of rope that in and continue tomake.
I mean, I am blown away thatyou that this is 135 million
dollars.
I we're talking if that trendkeeps up.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
See, that would be good.
Matthew McConaughey yeah, Iwould Matthew McConaughey in the
next one.
What?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
if he voices Kong.
Come on, Kong Kong is just likethis hella chill beach bum and
he's like alright, alright,alright.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
He's kind of blonde now.
He's kind of a blonde Kong.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Got a little hat on you know.
Hey, Godzilla, I want to findKong, a girlfriend man Just
cheeked up in the hollow earth.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
What about Godzilla?
Godzilla got no family, nothing, bro Got nothing, and he's just
angry spitting flames.
Yeah, he's just angry all thetime.
He's like I need to beatanother bitch up.
That's his whole arc.
That's his whole arc andsomebody else for me to beat up,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Alright, alright alright, come on down, let's
throw some fists.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Come on, godzilla.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Bro, just chill, come with me into the hollow earth,
you'd be like Zilly Willy havenicknames for Godzilla Yo Z-Man.
Now we good.
Come down to Hollow Earth withme.
Oh, you wanna fight If you got.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Matthew McConaughey as Kong.
Who do you have as Godzilla inthat?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
duo Jackie Chan.
Jackie Chan Is Godzilla.
Lindsay Lohan oh no, lindsay.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Lohan, oh no, lindsay .

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Lohan is Godzilla no.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
No, please, no, I was thinking like you could have
Forest Whitaker.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
What about, like Stephen Hawking's, like text to
speech?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
That's Godzilla, godzilla.
You have somebody totally like.
You just have Dwight from theOffice.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Dude, that would be so just average.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Right, you'd be like it would.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know man.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Eddie Murphy.
Malachi says Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
That would be wild.
Come on Trek, Is that DrDolittle Murphy is?
That would be wild.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Come on, trek.
Is that, dr Dolittle?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
He talks to Godzilla too.
Oh, lindsay Lohan is hisgirlfriend.
Okay, so it's Kong's girlfriend.
Okay, so like a Black Widow,hulk kind of thing, here she's
getting pounded away, alright,alright, alright.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
So like a Black Widow.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Hulk kind of thing.
Here you got Matthew.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
McConaughey, he's getting pounded away.
Alright, alright, alright.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Let's just make full-on porn.
Okay With these movies now.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Oh shit.
Well, you know we're coming upon the hour here, but I want to
dive into Guild Wars 3.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yes, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Alright folks, obviously this is Gilmore.
Yes, let's talk about it.
All right folks, obviously thisis a Gilmore's podcast.
It's a mass effect podcast.
We talk about the games that welove, the games that have
captured us over the years ofour lives.
Um, nc soft is a parent companyfor arena net and they had a
slip up at their shareholdermeeting.
Oh just the worst.
I mean up at their shareholdermeeting, oh, just the worst.

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I mean arena has plagued withlike the worst marketing ever,
um ever, and they just subtlydropped the mention that like
hey, they're working on getworse three and so now it's like
spun into this whole thing andthe forums are kind of going
wild and it's split the audienceof like oh great and oh no, sad
for gilworth's two.
Uh, I'm kind of in the camp ofI.

(53:26):
It doesn't really make sensefor them to create a new, a new
mmo, like a new mmo to competewith themselves well, so did
they confirm it or is it stillconjecture?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
like did they eventually come out?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
so that nc soft said, said that the statement which
is ArenaNet is working on aGuild Wars 3.
And ArenaNet says they alwayshave stakes, you know, stokes in
the fire or whatever.
And they're always like that's,but like but.
Their comment was it was verycorporate, like what we're
really excited to hear about,we're still really excited to

(54:00):
bring the next couple expansionsto Guild Wars 2.
So Guild Wars 2 has a committedto pipeline for the next few
years, but we are coming up onthe 20th anniversary of Guild
Wars 1.
And we know if you've been afan of the series at all and I
know of Something Cool Gaming Iknow you probably remember this
era.
But they diverted like 300developers from ArenaNet for

(54:20):
like two years to go and work ona project this is Rytlock,
rytlock Grimstone and then theyabandoned it and no one ever
knew what it was for and theysaid it was another title or
whatever new IP or whatever.
But everyone assumed it waslike a Guild Wars 3.

(54:41):
So here's my thoughts on it.
I don't think they should comeout with a Guild Wars 3 because
it's ultimately just going tocompete with their product.
I think what they should do iscome out with something new and
fresh that kind of stands on itsown.
No, it could be in the GuildWars universe, but make it
something like a prequelFirst-person shooter.

(55:01):
No, it's going to be a fuckingDiablo Immortal port to mobile
gaming and just be Gamba GuildWars 7.
Yeah, that's what they need todo, but no, it would be cool.
The universe for Guild Wars isamazing.
I feel like it would be reallycool to get a prequel to Guild
Wars and have the origin storiesof when the char and humans

(55:25):
fought.
And this is the char and uhthey're evil um, not in guild
wars 2.
You're, you're, they're yourallies.
There's like friction betweenthem and the humans.
Always there's like a it's likethe turians yeah, exactly, and.
But you kind of like cometogether to kill dragons turians
literally.
So basically, you have um, thechar, uh were always at war with

(55:52):
the humans and they were tryingto like encroach on their lands
.
And then that's what gilward'sone is all about.
Like the char and prophecies,at least the char break through
the, find a way to break throughthe wall, the Great Northern
Wall, and invade the Ascalonhomelands and kill everybody.
And so Ascalon is displaced andthen all these Ascalonians are
finding their home.
So is that a PC exclusive game?

(56:14):
Well, let's talk about that.
So Guild Wars was?
It was an MMO that competedwith World of Warcraft.
It came out in 2005, and then2006, and then 2007 as well.
They had all their expansionsdone by then, and then they came
out with Eye of the North in2008, maybe, yeah, maybe 2008,

(56:36):
2009.
I don't remember.
And then Guild Wars 2 came outin 2012.
So it was pretty quick whenthey launched these new games
and Guild Wars 2, when itlaunched, competed directly with
Guild Wars 2, came out in 2012.
So it was pretty quick whenthey launched these new games
and Guild Wars 2, when itlaunched, competed directly with
Guild Wars 1.
So let's talk about what likeis it going to be a PC?
There's no way in my mind thatit's only going to be PC.
There's zero chance.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
You cannot launch a title these days and leave out
that audience of console players.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
And especially now with the ability of cross-play.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yes, and that's what I was just going to say Back in
the day when you had like youwouldn't want to create three
instances of your game.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, that was hard enough already.
You want a?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
shared community experience.
They did it with Diablo 4,which is not an MMO by any means
, but Guild Wars 1 wasn't.
Guild Wars 1, people would say,is not an MMO, it's an RPG.
It's an online RPG Becauseeverything is instance combat,
Like you don't do anythingtogether.
It just doesn't happen.
It's like there's no open world, there's just towns and hubs.

(57:34):
Everything is instance.
And so I'd like to see them gomore towards that model and like
maybe go with prequel towardsthat model and like maybe go
with prequel and they kind ofhave some fun.
But there's been a lot ofdiscussion online, a lot of
ideas of people talking of whatis and what isn't going to be.
Um, a lot of people who aresaying like guild wars 2 combat

(57:56):
is too difficult, which I wouldsay it's not too there.
It definitely has a highlearning curve.
But the problem is Guild Wars 2is so bad at letting you know
that you're bad at the game.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
So bad, so the player base just sucks.
Generally speaking, they'revery casual because the game is
built to be a game that you playfor two hours a week.
It's a very casual game.
There's no gear grind, younever fall behind.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Like if I were to.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Just, I haven't bought the last couple
expansions.
If I bought these expansionsI'd be right where everybody is.
I could play the builds and doall this stuff, like there's no
gear grind, it's allachievements, and just kind of
getting immersed in the gameplayand stuff and that high fantasy
.
So I don't know what it'll looklike.
I think they need to kind of gototally creative or a remake of

(58:47):
Guild Wars 1, which I don'tknow if I'm really Even jazzed
about.
All I know is, whatever they do, I'm going to play Because I
love the philosophy of thestudio.
So far they've only made Twogreat games, so I imagine their
third game is going to be great.
I mean, they have a trackrecord.
They have a 20 year trackrecord of making great games.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I imagine their third game is going to be great.
They have a track record.
They have a 20 year trackrecord of making great games.
You know who also did right?
Blizzard.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Bioware how many games were good before they
sucked Like five oh five?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
So I got a couple more before they're going to,
you'll be fine, I'm fine I'mfine, I'm curious, something
cool gaming.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I know you're a huge gdub fan.
I um, if you want to talk inthe chat of what?
Uh, if you're excited for it ornot.
The announcement hit me likecrazy because there's been at
the 15-year anniversary of GuildWars 1, they came out with some

(59:49):
new skills and some interestingstuff.
They came out with a couple newskills and some tweaks and they
had to add server capacitybecause so many people came
flooding back in.
Wow, wooden Potatoes is acontent creator for Guild Wars
just Guild Wars series and hedid a video on an update where
they increased the LOD, like howfar you can see objects in the
distance, and like a quarter ofa million people watched that

(01:00:11):
video, which he usually getslike 10,000, 12,000 views.
Wow, a quarter of a millionpeople watched that video.
So, like there's so much energyand love around this game,
people to this day say that gameruined them for certain things.
The philosophy of that gamethere was no, it was just so
fantastic well, it sounds likeit's an old school type of
developer of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
They make the game to be fun.
Yep versus how can we monetize?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
this and guild wars 2 is so different um from guild
wars 1 that a lot of the guildwars 1 fan base was let down
yeah, well, like you, I don't.
I don't know if you were letdown, but you definitely like
one more oh yeah, okay, I stilldumped thousands of hours into
two, but um, guild wars one, Ithink.

(01:00:56):
I think objectively, in myopinion, what is a better game?
Um, guild wars two, like, ifyou, if you look at the systems,
you can't compare gameplay.
Gameplay.
Guild wars 2, I think, has thegreatest gameplay of any game
I've ever played.
I will.
I will say that I think guildwars 2, hands down, has the best
gameplay of any game I've everplayed the systems and the

(01:01:18):
combat, the animations, thefucking, the mechanics of it all
.
It is incredibly deep,incredibly interested and
incredibly immersive.
It is so intuitive notintuitive, but like, um, I guess
, immersive, yeah, it's justimmersive like there's an evade
mechanic that you can dodgeeverything in the game and the

(01:01:39):
timing is really tight, so itfeels like it plays like a souls
game almost, and then you getthese large scale battles and
stuff like that.
But for me, the open and GuildWars 2 does a good job of their
open world.
They do like cool events andstuff like that.
But I'm not a, I don't reallyjust like the, I'm not a big fan
of like open world stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I like really good instance open world can work,
but the world has to be.
I've always liked, if you'regoing to do open world, make it
smaller but full of stuff, notmassive.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Well, guild Wars 2 has a massive open world and it
still has probably an activeplayer base of 50,000 to 100,000
players.
You'll see people regularlyrunning through the world and
but for me it's like whenthere's a world boss event or a
large-scale event going on andyou get 15, 20, 30 people all

(01:02:32):
doing the event, your individualparticipation starts to fade.
Like they have these.
This event that I always thinkof, like it was it's to quaddle
the sun list or something likethat, and it's such a it was
it's to quaddle the sunless orsomething like that, and it's
such a cool event.
It's this huge dragon bonedragon boss that lands into this
ocean and shoots out the shockwave and you have to like, get

(01:02:54):
these turrets to pin it down.
And then you pin it down, yougo and you do damage and you
kill it, you and you get goodloot and it was on like a
three-hour timer or somethinglike that.
And but it was such a big bossand such a large-scale world
event that when you get to playthe game and you're playing by
yourself or with friends, yourindividual participation is just

(01:03:18):
so muted Because you're likeokay, I'm not really doing
anything here.
Muted because you're like, okay, I'm not really doing anything
here.
Um, you know, I'm like I could.
I can do my perfectly cleanrotation or I could spam one,
and the success rate is going tobe the same the same you know
so something cool gaming.
Uh, I'm ready for reset, I getburnout, uh, uh, I got burnout,
uh.
After a game has bunch ofexpansions, mechanics and skills

(01:03:42):
, d2 is the same example for me.
Okay, I didn't know, you playedDiablo 2.
That's interesting, did you D2.
?
Oh, are you saying Destiny 2?
I think you probably meanDestiny 2.
Because I don't think youplayed Diablo yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I can feel that burnt out.
I agree, especially Destiny 2,the last expansion that I played
, last light or whatever it wascalled.
I forget already.
That's how much impact it hadon me right um.
It just felt like rinse, repeatit felt like rinse, repeat and
it felt like lazy, not late.
Yeah, just it needs somethingfresh, new fire, which I get.

(01:04:21):
I get that something coolgaming.
But do you think what do youthink the biggest change for
guild wars 3 would be like?
What do you think they would?
They would update.
Besides, if they do console andcross play, what?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
they what they need to do.
Arenanet is amazing atintroducing content.
That's fun and they do a goodjob.
But what they don't, what theyfucking sucked at in Guild Wars
2 is yeah, he met Destiny 2.
That's what I thought.
What they sucked at is theywould introduce this new concept
and then they would abandon itand move on to something

(01:05:01):
different.
So they came out with a coregame and then they would abandon
it and like move on tosomething different.
So they came out with a coregame and then they were like all
right, here's the game.
We got dungeons.
And then you're like oh cool,we're gonna get more dungeons.
And then they came out withlike aether blade, with like
this elite path.
That was like a really toughdungeon.
You're like, oh cool, we'regonna get you know, more
dungeons as time goes on.
And there's like this livingworld dungeons, normal dungeons.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yeah, dungeons, normal dungeons.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, abandoned the dungeons and then they came out
with a thing called likefractals, which is the same
fucking thing, but they havelike a central hub.
And then they added thismechanic called agony, which you
had to have a certainresistance so you couldn't do
the highest tier fractals and itwas like dungeons plus, it was
a lot more difficult.
And then they came out withFractals and then they fucking
completely like abandoned thatand they went years without

(01:05:43):
updating that and moved on toother systems and it was like
okay.
And then so like they don'tintroduce any new skills or
anything during the base gameand they introduce like the
first expansion comes out andthey come out with this new
model Okay, hey, we're going tohave new Elita specializations,
and so you're like, oh cool,going to play the new Elita

(01:06:04):
specializations.
So it's like a new stat line inyour class and you go and you
play the class, and then theykind of like they actually stuck
with that model.
But then they introduced raidsand then they never supported
raids.
Like they dropped like sevenraid wings since like 2014,.
Right, so like they came outwith four in like the first year

(01:06:29):
or five in the first year wow,and then they just completely
abandoned because they realizedwhat percentage of player base
because, again, combat in guildwars 2 is incredibly deep, but
you can also kind of cheese itand uh and raids were such a
high skill gap that, like a verysmall percentage of players
ever did them, because it wasvery difficult to know you were

(01:06:50):
bad and all the good playersonly wanted to play with other
good players because they didn'thave time to carry these pugs
through it.
So it was like this weird timewhere they would just come out
with content and abandon it andthen it just was silly.
It'd probably be a whole newgame.
Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2are very different, so can't
tell what 3 would be like.

(01:07:10):
That's what Something CoolGaming says.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I really don't know what it's going to be Third
person over the shoulder.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Yeah, dude, if they came out with a shooter, that'd
be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
No, not a shooter, just melee combat like God of
War.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
That could work.
I think, I mean they actuallyhave like what's called.
They have an action mode inguild wars where it turns the
game into that which is reallyit's actually pretty cool.
Um, it turns it into like a,like a first person, uh, you
know, like action.
You know it's actually that'sexactly the mode it is.
It's kind of interesting butand some people like you'll all

(01:07:49):
watch them stream, they play itin that and I'm like, oh my god,
how the fuck do you do that?
Um, because so much of it islike status effects on the
ground and paying attention yeah, seeing what you have, yeah so
I don't know.
I mean I could go in a milliondirections.
All I know is I'm excited thatarena net needs a new challenge.
They've been kind offizzizzling, I guess.

(01:08:10):
Here's another thing, somethingcool gaming that we should talk
about.
Over the past few years they'vehad job openings, career
openings on their website, andthe hardcore fans are always
checking the job posts to seewhat's going on.
They've been hiring UnrealEngine devs for the last few
years now.
So their next project isprobably going to be, because
they've been basically draggingthis game engine.

(01:08:32):
They're using the same gameengine from guild wars 1, um,
they just heavily modified itand so now they're abandoning
that game engine and developingon unreal engine.
So that's going to be a reallyfresh new experience.
That'll be cool like cyberpunk,so it'll be interesting to see
what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I'm curious I'm I'm a little excited to at least give
it a try, because I neverplayed one or two.
I've only known about it frombilly and um, I think three
would be would be a big enoughdeal for me to get it like, like
to, to dive into it and try itout I don't think you would like
gilworth's two that much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
The story is mid.
Um, it wasn't like some peoplereally simp over the story and
then other die hard story fansare like it's pretty average.
I would say it was average.
It's like your typical hero andyou're going and you're a
commander of an army and you goand you save the day, you know,

(01:09:35):
and that's essentially what youdo, and you rally all these
groups together and there you go.
It's a typical story.
Um, the, the story of like thedragons is actually pretty cool.
Like they basically give the,like the dragons sort of give it
the world energy, but then,like when you kill them, you
release that energy into theworld so it becomes like even

(01:09:56):
more vibrant and so like there'slike this balance of okay, but
like the the dragons like storethis energy.
So like there's this likedecision making that goes going
on of like what side should webe on?
Like what are we doing?
Are we thinking about this?
and yeah and some of the dragonsare really cool and the like.
The fights are fucking insane.
Like there's this fight calleddragon stand and, uh, the boss,

(01:10:18):
the, the campaign finishes andyou like go inside of a dream
and you like kill the, you killthe elder dragon.
But, like, the real fight isthis open world meta event and
it's actually hell fun.
It splits.
It was, it's the first of itskind, it's called dragon stand
and you need like a full map ofpeople, so I think like probably
a couple hundred players wowand there's three lanes and you

(01:10:41):
have to split up the lanes andyou have to progress each lane
at the roughly the same time.
And then there's mechanics thatyou have to do in time together,
so like people arecommunicating in chat window,
triggers certain things and doabout it, and it's like this all
this might and then you get tothis final battle on this.
You're fighting this fuckingfloating dragon and there's all
these different platforms thathe's eating and destroying and

(01:11:03):
you're flying to all thesedifferent platforms as with
hundreds of people trying tokill this.
It is such an epic battle, it'sso much fun, so you might like
that.
You probably would like thecombat a lot.
The story would be mid, butlike the whole social element of
the game, um, it's not a gamethat you could really.
You could solo the story andyou could basically solo all the

(01:11:24):
open world stuff where you'reexploring around.
But if you want to do any likethe content in the game, um,
it's all instant space and wouldrequire you to meet up with
people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Um story overhaul is what something cool gaming says.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Yeah definitely need a story overhaul.
The core was trash expansiontrophies yeah I don't know that
might be a typo, but uh,trophies, I don't know what that
is.
But yeah, the core game was sobasic.
But the expansions the one I'mtalking about is the Heart of
Thorns, which totally changedthe game and set the tone but I

(01:12:00):
mean, oh my god, ArenaNet hasjust I mean, they came out with
guild halls abandoned thoseimmediately and we only got two
guild halls.
In the first game there's like40 guild halls.
It's just crazy to me how muchI just got a message from my old
guild leader in Guild Wars 2that they just killed Ceres,

(01:12:21):
which is that fight that I wastelling you.
They spent 53 hours progressingas a team.
After watching the teams whohad already did it, they're like
the third team in North Americato beat it.
Congrats to them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I love this series so much, I think you would like
one better, because it is muchmore RPG.
It is online RPG and it's muchless online these days because
you're not going to see hundredsof people running around.
But yeah, if they ever come outwith it, I will definitely beg

(01:13:00):
you guys to play with me arethere romance options?
No, no, there's a lot of likeromances going on, but you're
pretty much a solo writer.
Yeah, um, fuck, there's.
You can get, uh, buy weddingoutfits and get married in the
game oh I'm sure there'sprobably tons of stories of

(01:13:22):
people getting married and thenmeeting in real life, and then
people literally host weddings.
Literally host weddings.
Jeez, literally host weddings.
There's like fireworks andstuff.
Dude, role-playing is real inthat game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean I'm definitely excited.
I hope they're working onnumber three because I feel like
at certain times in certaingames it's like if they get too
old it's harder for me to goback and play them versus if I
played them when they came out'sharder for me to go back and
play them versus if I playedthem when they came out and I
want to go back and revisit.
That's easier, but likechoosing an old game to play

(01:13:57):
that's that's harder for me yeah, well, and like, again, they've
gotten cookie cutter with theirmodel at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I mean, the game is 12 years old, guild's two and
they.
So every expansion now is like,okay, they come out with maybe
a new fractal.
They come out with, uh, threechapters, you know, of the story
and then, uh, like a new map ortwo and and that's that, you
know that's their expansion, andmaybe some new mechanics,

(01:14:24):
mechanics like new mount,whatever, um, but you know it's
just like that's what it is now.
That's the game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Yep, it's not going to evolve beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Yeah, so that's why you need a Guild Wars 3, or
whatever the hell they want tocall it.
I think calling it Guild Wars 3would be a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
So if we started Guild Wars 3, right me, you and
Kyle would 3 be a good numberfor the team or would we want
more people?
So if we started Guild Wars 3,right me, you and Kyle would 3
be a good number for the team,or would we want more people?
Like, would we want somethingcool Gaming like, what's the
Five Five?

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Guild Wars 1 was built around 8-man content, wow,
and that made for a reallyinteresting dynamic.
They said themselves that thatwas too much.
Yeah, I think so.
It's tough to get that manypeople coordinate that many
people, but back in the day, Imean, you would find dozens of
people like waiting to get intoa party, and so it was easy to

(01:15:19):
form, but uh, that's a lot ofpeople.
So then, um, guild wars 2 iscompletely balanced around five
man content, except for raids,which is 10 man content do you
think they'll keep five orshorten it I?
think it's gonna be a five 100not three no, you, you can do um
.
So gilbert's two.

(01:15:40):
There's no like trinity of,like you know, tank damage and
then you know, like mage,whatever and healer, so like
everybody's expected to dodgeand sustain on their own.
So like you, everything, likeall dungeons, um, you could
easily do with three people itjust takes you a little longer
to kill the stuff, but like interms of self-sustain and stuff,

(01:16:01):
yeah, you don't have like atraditional healer, um, like
healing you, so you don't needthat role.
You just're just self-servant.
Which is cool but it also makespeople run really shitty builds
, because they build defensive.
You're just like learn to dodge.
Don't just face, fucking, tankeverything.
They're an elementalist.

(01:16:21):
And they sit in water to himthe whole time, just healing
themselves.
You're like, okay, let's not,you beat your ass, I'm in.
You beat your ass.
You bet your ass.
I'm in what?
You beat your ass, you bet yourass.
Okay, I think that's what hemeant to say.
You bet your ass.
I'm in on what a Guild Wars 3is.
I have like 7,000 hours in bothgames.
I know I'm right there with you, dude, you bet your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
That took a while.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
You beat my ass.
I was like when did I beat yourass?
100% my ass.
I was like when did I beat yourass?
100.
I think he has more hours,which is interesting, so he I
this is a whole interestingconcept.
He is about as casual as casualgets when it comes to like an
online, like mmo experience.
He, he would play.
He plays the game like how Iwould imagine you and kyle would

(01:17:07):
play, but because of how muchcontent there is, he just stays
involved and does all the stuff,oh, okay.
Because they're incredibly richwith like things to do.
I mean just to do all thedungeons and stuff and like each
dungeon has like four paths andthere was like 16 dungeons on

(01:17:27):
release or something like that.
There was like 80 dungeonstotal to do.
They release more.
There's like geez, 20 differentfractals, like 20 different
fractals like which is like adungeon plus tier.
Like you could spend weeks justlearning and playing the new
content, like trying to figureout like when to dodge and stuff
like that or what the mechanicis for this fight, and blah,

(01:17:50):
blah, blah.
Like it's incredibly rich, buthe plays it so different than I
do.
Yeah, he has a ton ofachievement points, way more
than me.
I have like the most basicstuff, but I went into like the
more extreme versions of thecontent, which is like raids,
and he played all like the openworld stuff and and just kind of
okay casually played the storyand and got like all the the

(01:18:12):
cool achievements and the mountsand what's like when.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
That kind of reminds me of when I played destiny,
when I had like my group right,um, it was funny because you
could always see the differencein our skill set when you would
look at the leaderboards.
I uh, basic strike mission indestiny, which is you and your
team versus cpus, I woulddominate.
The leaderboard meant mostkills, most damage.

(01:18:35):
Whatever we'd go play um anytype of competitive like, um,
you know, pvp, I was dead last.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I was dead last, middle I was you could tell.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
And then they were on top so you could tell it's like
that's where we specialized in.
You know, it was interestingbecause it's like oh wow, so
there's definitely a differentskill set for each one.
Oh yeah, and it's weird.
It's weird when you realizethat You're like huh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Or what people value, or what they're like good at,
naturally, and what they'retrying to like focus on.
Yeah, and that's the nice thingabout five-man content is you
can't just feed.
Your role is more prominent ina five-man group than it is an
eight-man group or a ten-mangroup.
You're just that much moreimportant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Because there's regularly mechanics where you
need to have three people up andthey have to do things within a
timely manner.
There's a fractal, it's calledSwamp, and you have to gather,
like this, seed.
There's three locations andonce someone grabs the first
seed, the other people have tograb the seed and you have to
make your way back to depositthem with all within 30 seconds.

(01:19:42):
All the while, if you touchlike any of the roots or like
the swamp, um, or there's trapsall through the swamp they'll
immobilize you and they'll fuckyou up.
So, like two people, like ifyou have a normal five-man group
, two people are just standingthere doing nothing, leeching,
and then the three people arebusting their ass to try and
carry these seeds back.
And, uh, it was just like theembarrassment you would get if

(01:20:04):
you failed that mechanic,because then everybody has to go
back out to the swamp Come onBilly and then do it and you're
like oh fuck, You're like, allright, I'm sweating, here we go,
here we go.
So I like that stuff wherethere's a learning curve, you
can easily kind of straddlearound how to do something.

(01:20:25):
I always love instance combat,but yeah, it is fascinating to
see how different something coolgaming and how we played both
games.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Both games.
I was a hardcore grinder farmer.
I was always.
I always had a shitload ofmoney.
Austin had no money everbecause he was just farming
skins, because he wanted all hischaracters to look really
pretty, so he was constantlyspending the amount of times I
logged on.
He's like dude, can I get acouple platinum?
I need, uh, I need to get thisnew skin the amount.

(01:20:57):
It was kind of so funny becausewe finally got back on and just
to play here recently and he heliterally cleared out his bank
and he's like this is for allthe years that you just like
always hooked it up.
He's like here you go take itall.
Like I.
I always was taking money fromyou because I didn't give a shit
.
Like we were best friends atthe time, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
So we were like you don't care about cosmetics at
all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
I could give a fuck.
I just was hoarding cash youknow, and uh, it was just so
funny to see the dichotomy therebecause he was like altaholic,
he had like every max level andhe was trying to go through the
campaign and stuff and I waslike I'm going to grind this one
character and be the best.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Into the bones.
This is like the mostridiculous.
Thing ever so do you think?
In your opinion?
Do you think Guild Wars went?
Do you think it's likemainstream and let me explain
what I mean by that.
It's like I feel like balder'sgate 3 took balder's gate and

(01:21:56):
divinity and kind of put it inthe mainstream eye.
Do you think guild wars wasever in that or no?
Does that make sense?
If you talked to a gamer in the2000s, if you talked to a gamer
in the 2000s.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
yes, they knew what Guild Wars was, but has it kind
of receded.
I feel like if you talk to ayoung gamer coming up now, they
would have no idea what GuildWars is and you know, as they
wouldn't know, like AlbionOnline, elder Scrolls Online,
black Desert Online.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
A lot of onlines.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
In those I never really yeah, um, but yeah, I
feel like it's.
You know, when you think ofmmos, you think of wow and
that's it yeah and like I don'tthink young people are playing,
wow.
I think it's like that'ssomething that you just aged
into, uh.
Or I mean you were either apart of that era and you're
still subscribed now they stillhave like seven and a half
million subscribers, crazy.
Or uh mean you were either apart of that era and you're
still subscribed now they stillhave like 7.5 million

(01:22:52):
subscribers or you missed thatboat.
I don't think like if I talkedto a 17 year old gamer and was
like hey, I play Guild.
Wars 2 or Guild Wars.
They'd be like oh, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
So maybe that's the benefit of coming out with 3 is
kind of getting it, the console,getting it out in the
mainstream eye again, of likeBaldur's gate did, like that was
huge.
I mean, at one game of the yearit was a big explosion of just
of of um publicity for that gameand for that type of game, like

(01:23:23):
I'm oh, I can't wait.
I know we're gonna get, uh,balder's gate clones, oh 100,
like now we're gonna get a bunchof them.
So and like with cyberpunk,cyberpunk did the same thing, um
, so I I think I think three Ihope it'll be like that because
that, and then, especially onunreal, engine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Now you've got something there, like you've got
something with the visualfidelity, because gilbert's two
has held up well.
I would say wow has held upreally well because of its art
style well, it's cartoonish, soyou can get away with it art
style has held up, because it'slike that's its style, okay, but
gilbert's two just visually, Ithink it's definitely looking a

(01:24:03):
little aged more so in theselast couple years, but it's
still like you wouldn't play andgo this looks like shit.
Gilbert's one you'd be like,okay, what the fuck?
But that's just so old, 20years old.
Uh, it runs on a shoe nowadays,um, but like yours too, you
could absolutely, uh, you knowit could still hold its own in

(01:24:24):
the ring.
But now, on unreal engine andnow all these titans of games
are coming out, I, I think it'skind of right, I think it's
prime, I think the market isprimed.
You do it if you have asuccessful launch and you hit on
all three markets xbox,playstation, pc and you hit the
ground running and you, you, youtap into a, a franchise as

(01:24:46):
beloved as guild wars.
I mean we're talking this thinglaunched.
I mean like 7 million, 10million people playing this game
at launch.
I mean a massive phenomenon.
You might have something there.
So, like I said the moment theyannounced it, I'm pre-ordering
it.
It's not even a question.

(01:25:07):
This is something.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I'll break all my rules for what if they say if
it's live service?

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
oh, it has to be live service live service with a
battle pass honestly, I wasthinking about this because some
of the content creators cameout.
I don't think it works anymorein this day and age, uh-huh, but
I honestly I might.
For this type of game, I mightprefer a subscription model.

(01:25:36):
Hmm, and I'll tell you why.
Guild Wars 2, I was never afashion guy, but everything, all
the cool fashion stuff was inthe gem store.
You had to buy real money.
Okay, and then also in the gemstore.
You could just bust out yourcredit card and buy infinite
gold.
You just buy gold with yourcredit card, and I did that
because I didn't want to grind.

(01:25:57):
For I did the math and I waslike, okay, I gotta spend 115
hours, you know, grinding thisdungeon or I can spend ten
dollars.
Yeah, you know, I don't knowwhat do I want to do here.
So it's like that's so easy.
I feel like that's alleviatedif you just have a subscription.
Now, the moment you add asubscription, you compete with

(01:26:17):
wow and it's game over and youlose.
So I don't think it works.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
But I don't know, I don't mind a battle, pass battle
pass would be fine, especiallythe thing I think that a lot of
people like about battle passesis it's like a subscription, but
it's a lot more condensed intolike you don't have to, but if
you do, you get these coolbonuses and it's for this short
amount of time yeah like.
It's not like you can like.

(01:26:40):
If you aren't subscribed, youdon't get to play at all.
You know it's like wow, youneed a subscription, right 100,
yeah, 15 a month so it's beenthat way and that's that's to me
that sucks.
I'm like no, I don't want to it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
It's a barrier to entry for you yeah like you're,
you're, I, I'm same way.
I'm not willing to even try ituntil it comes to game pass like
that.
I just am not paying that money, even though I totally get its
value.
It's like, oh, they're able toprovide a shitload of content
because of that, because Because, they keep getting money in.
I'm gatekept away from that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Especially I don't know with like, in regards to
WoW and that type ofsubscription service, and I
think why we're getting more ofthe Battle Pass type is the
thing with WoW is I don't evenknow if I like the game and I'm
going to have to subscribe.
I don't even know if I like thegame and I'm going to have to
subscribe, like I don't evenknow if I'm going to like how it
plays.
I know they have free trialsand stuff like that that happen,

(01:27:36):
but I don't want to keep trackof that.
Like, oh, this weekend, youknow, I don't know, and even
then it's like I wouldn't.
It's like, oh, maybe there'ssome other game that I already
know I like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
I don't know what monetization model they're going
to go with Loot boxes.
I don't even know what I standfor anymore because I think it
all sucks, but I get why it hasto be.
These games cost a lot of moneyto make.
They just require a lot of time.
And I just it's how greedy areyou going to be?

(01:28:15):
Um, you know, if if a game likegilbert's three costs 20
million to make let's say itcosts, I don't know, is that
even a low number?
I feel like that's low rightfor an mmo.
That I mean.
The average timeline for an mmoto be built is, they say, seven
years.
That's how long it takes todevelop that game.
Comparing that to $135 millionor $400 million for a two-hour

(01:28:39):
film, it seems like a drop inthe bucket.
I don't know man.
I don't know what monetizationmodel I want.
I just like the values thatthis studio is founded on and
they haven't disappointed me.
Yet They've made two bangergames.
Alright, boys, let's hope.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Number three is another banger.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Dude, I am literally.
I might take like a month offwork, lose my life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
We come in next the podcast, after the game comes
out.
You're like who are?
You?
Where am I?
I haven't seen light in years.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I'm going to send my wife away, like, leave me, I
need to go into my hole BecauseI'm still in contact with all my
Guild Wars 2 buddies and Iguarantee you that those dudes
are take two weeks off minimum.
They took two weeks off forheart of thorns, which was the
first expansion of guild wars 2,when we didn't even know what
it was going to be like and itfucking totally.

(01:29:42):
The guild wars 2 was dying andthen they came out there because
they weren't going to do theexpansions model.
They didn't like that model andthen they were like fuck it, we
have to do something.
Came out with Heart of Thornsand completely revamped and
revitalized the game.
It was one of my favoriteexpansions.
I think I put that as myfavorite expansion all the time.
Those guys took two weeks off,going in blind.
That's how hardcore these guysare.

(01:30:04):
That's hardcore, I'm telling youPut probably 200 hours in by
the time they went back to work.
It's a beautiful thing, DylanLike think of the game that
you've ever like the most timeyou've ever put in a game.
They did that in two weeks andthey're just getting started.
My man, Like Asmongold, has35,000 hours into World of

(01:30:28):
Warcraft.
35,000 hours Like a lot of thetop content creators 35,000
hours.
A lot of the top contentcreators in Guild Wars 2 have
25,000-30,000 hours.
This is not an uncommon thing.
Yeah, it's like seven hours ofplaytime, seven years of
playtime.
Sorry, that's 24-hour days daysdivide this by 365, so you get

(01:30:55):
years four years so four yearsof of four years of your waking
life that's in one game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
That's crazy.
I mean, but's like, and it'seven hard to wrap around, it's
like you think like, oh yeah,four years he played a game like
especially the content wise,but it's like, no, that's the
amount of hours he put in.
It's not, I played the game forfour years.
It's, I played the gameconsistently for four years,

(01:31:28):
actively, actively.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Wow.
Well, think about from yourperspective of, like add up how
much time you've played games inyour whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I bet you have probably 30,000 hours, you know.
If you added every game you'veever played One game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Think about how much you gain back in love and
cherished memories.
Hey Think about how many gamesyou've forgotten you've ever
played.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Definitely, that would never happen.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
I prefer that model.
I'm a quality over quantity guy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
True, it's insane.
That's insane 35,000?
.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
I have probably roughly 7,000 hours across both
games as well, both games, guildWars 1 and 2.
I have 3K hours in Guild Wars 2.
So 10X what I put in, and thensome 12X.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
See, I could get into a game, I could know life, a
game like that, but I have yetto find one that hooks me that
hard, like because all the gamesthat I get into I've exhausted
all the content, like it's notthat I get bored, it's that I've
done everything like spider-manyou won't exhaust yeah, well,

(01:32:44):
exactly so.
It's like guild wars you won'texhaust it, right right.
But like Spider-Man the gamesI'm into I exhaust them and then
it's like I can't do anythingelse.
So one day, maybe it'll be asingle player game that has
unexhaustible content.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Kyle says he'd rather play many games for a short
period of time than one for anabsurd amount of time 35,000
hours.
Kyle, but as long as you enjoywhat you're doing 35,000 hours.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Kyle 35,000.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Kyle always does this .
Have you ever noticed this?
Like the way he argues, atleast when he's in a good mood
and he's not snappy.
He's not a snappy boy.
But he does this like he'llmake a statement like of what
he'd rather do, and then healways softens the blow Like but
you do what makes you happy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
But you know hey man, I know you.
That's your opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Yeah, exactly, he's like I'm just saying what I like
to do.
He always sobs at me.
He's always looking out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I always try to do that when I argue with you guys
about Tally.
I'm like but that's youropinion, you like Tally?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
But you do it to be an ass, I do well you guys gang
up on me, you guys get so angryabout it because just because I
think I'm right doesn't meanyou're wrong see but kyle's on
vacation doing his that.
He's doing that alpha class,that 18 000 alpha training is
and this is part of the ego,right, kyle, are you down there
doing that, are you?

(01:34:11):
Are you on the beach holdingthe fucking sledgehammer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Here's the thing.
Kyle too me, and you oftenagree that billy is wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah, and that doesn't.
And there's no softeninggaslight.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Yeah, yeah, we gaslight him into believing that
he's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I'm gonna start everybody in the chat.
Uh, start checking these clips.
Uh, for uh kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Um, he's down in that alpha training class trying to
learn how to be a man, paid 18grand I imagine, billy, when
we're old one, one time me andkyle are gonna gaslight you so
hard that it's like it breaksyou, that you're like well, I
guess, I guess so.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
You did that with RL Grimes.
I started to believe you.
I started to inherit themalware.
It worked.
The gaslighting was so strong.
Rl.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
Grimes was your moment.
It's like we convince you youmurdered somebody that would be
tough.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
That would be an uphill battle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
I don't remember it, but it's like when we all have
dementia.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
You're like Dylan.
Where can people find us?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
people can find us on YouTube, instagram, spotify,
any major podcast listeningplatform, as well as where we
stream every Tuesday at 7pm onYouTube, right here, where
you're watching us, hopefully.
Please leave a comment, leave alike, subscribe.
Come join our lives.
We have a lot of fun talking toyou guys.
I mean, got to talk to Kylehere because he's out of town,

(01:35:35):
but we had some other amazingpeople join as well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
We did.
Thanks everybody and rememberwith a good KD you get the dub.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Bye guys.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Bye.

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