TV, Conspiracy Theories, and Ancient Civilizations. Oh My…

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
What are we talking about tonight?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
We're talking about.
You guys can fucking yeah,drink that coke man, let it hit,
let it hit um but seriously, Iwanted us to start talking about

(00:56):
, um, how do you guys feel aboutstreaming services putting
movies in movie theaters?
Like if if.
Netflix does a theatricalrelease for theater I don't know
of an example of Netflix doingit, but Apple, they recently did
the Argyle movie.
I personally really like thatmovie.
I know some people weren't bigfans of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I didn't know that was an Apple film.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, it's Apple TV original.
It's made by the same peoplewho made Kingsman, but it came
out in theaters and then nowit's on Apple TV, but I don't
know how do you guys feel aboutthat?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I fucking love it.
I've been saying this for awhile.
I don't know how well ittranslates for a movie release,
because I don't really see a lotof times that they market these
well in advance, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's sort of a different model.
The issue that happened, Ithink, with Argyle, because I
don't think it made money.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
And I don't think they marketed it well.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
But if, like HBO, let's just take the you know
Game of Thrones at its peak, Iwould have absolutely paid money
to go and watch sort of theirepisodic releases, you know, for
not a full movie price, I think, probably like $8, but
something to get you in to buypopcorn and stuff.
I would have absolutelyprobably done that with the wife
and seen an episode of Game ofThrones in the big theater,

(02:14):
especially if I knew it was like, because they always did those
big releases, like episode 9 wasthe big one where everything
happened and then 10 was like tolet it go cold for until the
next year.
Yeah, so like I wouldabsolutely pay to go see nine in
the theater, because that waslike we usually where they blew
their load in terms of cgi,especially with like the dragon
stuff in the later, in the lateruh seasons.

(02:35):
So I don't know how.
Yeah, it's sort of it's tougherto to do with a movie.
I think I don't know how theythey.
They don't really have like amarketing budget.
Right, their marketing budgetis to drive you to the platform.
Yeah, right, it's not toadvertise specifically their
products on the platform.
So they'd have to change uptheir model a little bit, but
I'm down for it.
What you guys have on uhtonight before this, raising

(02:58):
canes we have a.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm a caniac.
I'm a caniac.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
It was laced apparently.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I added salt.
Yeah, fucking wild I'm reaching.
It's a cream in a crop.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
We had him specially fill his soda with something
special.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know, there's actually a stipulation to like
award seasons where to beconsidered for movie categories,
like at the oscars or what haveyou that there has to be some
type of theater release?
Huh so all these netflixstreaming movies that like win
oscars or whatever, not thatthey're, like you know, winning
most of them aren't winningoscars, but um these streaming

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services films.
They all already have a limitedrelease but it's almost like
indie style.
It's not really going to be atyour, your theater, but um, like
, uh, like amazon.
Um, there's this one movie,that that swept the awards with
Casey Affleck.
I forget what it was called,but that was an Amazon movie and

(04:08):
that had a limited release andbecause of that then it was able
to be nominated for all theseother awards.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
So they all already release for a short period of
time.
Just so they fall in thatcategory.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Just so they can be able to be nominated for an
Oscar or what have you.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Huh, so have you guys seen Argo?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
No, no.
Henry Cavill.
Yeah, lord of the Nerds, lordof the Nerds.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
He's not even in it that much.
Sam Rockwell is like a big Dude.
I love Sam Rockwell.
And then, oh, shoot RonHoward's daughter.
What's her name?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Jessica Howard, she's shoot ron howard's daughter.
What's her name?
Jessica howard, I don't.
She's in jurassic world.
Yeah, I forget her name, though.
Um, oh, she also played gwenstacy, she did that's right,
tell me why.
Spider-man.
What is her name?
Her?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
last name is howard howard.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Oh, dude, bryce dallas howard right there we go.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, um, I recommend it.
I thought it was a really goodmovie, um, and it makes me
really appreciate sam.
What did I say?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
his name was and you didn't, didn't appreciate him
that much.
Well, I want to say sam lakesam lake is from sam remedy well
, sam rockwell.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Anyways, I didn't appreciate him that much, I
guess because I forgot his nameright.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I saw this video on youtube where it's like uh,
that's sam lake max pain samlake.
He's in alan wake.
He kind of looks like he does.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I know exactly what you're saying the guy from
Community.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Joel.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
McHale, he does kind of look like Joel McHale.
Kyle was thinking somebody else.
I was Brian.
I was thinking of?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Definitely not.
Oh God, I'm so bad with namestonight.
Yeah, usually you're like bamright there the guy Jack Quaid.
Yeah, usually you're like bam,right there the guy um Jack
Quaid.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Jack Quaid.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think is his name.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
He's younger than that guy, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Who the heck is this?
He's from the boys.
He's Dennis Quaid's son.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
He's Dennis Quaid's son and Meg Ryan's son.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
He is yeah, nepotism, he's Meg.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Ryan, I'm sharing the second screen now.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Dennis.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Quaid and Meg.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Ryan had a kid.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Evidently they had Jack Wow Nepotism.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
He's had an uphill battle his whole life to get
into the industry.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
He really had to fight.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
It was very hard, meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid Not to
take away from any of hisaccomplishments.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
He was an Oppenheimer , he was.
He's like one of the scientiststhat they bring in.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I didn't even know that.
Is he one of the politicallycharged ones?

Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, he doesn't even really do much besides.
He brings one proposal up andhe's like check this out.
Look at this Look at thisreport.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Science.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
He was in the hallway .
I'm sciencing right now.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
There's this famous scene that you walked by him in
the hallway.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, he's right there, the top thing on reddit
said no offense.
But why is jack quaid in thismovie?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
like that's pretty sad.
There was a few actors in thatmovie that I kind of felt like
why?
Why do we need them?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like Josh Drake and Josh, he's the guy that pulled
the switch.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I'm not questioning any of that.
I think they wanted to be apart of something amazing, and
they were.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think everyone just wants to be a part of
Christopher Nolan.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Part of him.
They want a piece of that ass.
Everybody wants to be in him.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Everybody wants to be in him, everybody wants to be
in him or have him in them.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
In his mind.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
What are you talking?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
about?
What are you guys talking about?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
His artistic process.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Where he goes really deep.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
They reach deep inside and discover their
natural talent.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
They want to be touched by him.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
In an artistic way.
Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Glad we're on the same page now.
What were we talking about?

Speaker 3 (08:16):
We were talking about Sam Rockwell.
Sam Rockwell.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know his God.
I just had a voice crack, Sam.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Rockwell, sam Rockwell, sam Rockwell.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Every actor has their thing, their shtick, what they
do.
Sam Rockwell, I didn't even putthis together.
He dances in every movie he'sin.
He's got a dance sceneCharlie's Angels.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Even in Iron man he dances when he goes up on stage.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Every movie he's in he's got some kind of little
dance scene and he's actuallynot bad, I wish he'd throw that
by the director.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Like I'm going to walk on this stage, I'm just
going to hit a little twirl.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
What do you think?
He probably just does it, jon.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Favreau.
What do you think?
A little dance number here.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
This is the guy that Jon Favreau casted Robert Downey
Jr when no one else wanted to.
I'm pretty sure he's prettyloose.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Just do whatever the fuck you want, just say the
lines.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
He's like what if I had a little?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
razzle dazzle as long as you say the lines you do
whatever the fuck you want.
He's just delivering a superstraightforward line like oh,
yeah, I don't think we can dothat I would love.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I would love to see more um what this guy does.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I would love to see more justin hammer yeah, like I
feel like he was very underrated.
I feel like he was morecompelling than mickey rourke's
character a hundred percentpercent.
I love that scene, like theconniving.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
It's like the opposite of Iron man.
If Iron man kept following his,you know shystery.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I love that scene when he's like selling all of
his weapons to the government.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
This is the actual life.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
His pitch is so good.
And then he didn't die in thatmovie, did he?
He just went to jail.
I think he just went to prison.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, unless maybe he did die.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That was like so long , that was like 2010.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Isn't that crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
MCU years, that's like decades ago.
Multiple because they've nowdone like time jumps with the
whole five years thing.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
How's X-Men 97 going?
I watched the first episodefinally.
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I thought it was good the first episode is nothing
compared to.
Compared to like where it's atfirst episode is it's good.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
It grabbed me but I thought it was good but it's
very um, everything feels alllike shit.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
hits the fan real quick.
It feels all right, we're theX-Men Almost like his gripe
where it felt like Saturdaymorning cartoonish.
That goes out the door prettyquickly.
But I do like that fight scenein the first episode when they
took out the human when theyfinally got Trask or whatever.

(11:02):
I love when Gambit charges upWolverine's claws.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
And then he jumps on Morph.
Yeah who?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
turns into like what blob for a second To like blast
him up.
Morph is a I never like.
I always miss when hetransforms.
So whenever he transforms intoa character, there's always that
brief moment like what did thatperson get here?
Like Quicksilver was in thelast episode, but it was Morph
as Quicksilver.
He transforms into a character.
There's always that briefmoment like what did that person
get here?
Quicksilver was in the lastepisode, but it was Morph as
Quicksilver.
So when Quicksilver ran in Iwas like holy shit, it's

(11:31):
Quicksilver.
And then I was like oh wait,it's just Morph, is it done or
there's still?
There's three episodes left thatI haven't seen.
I heard a theory.
The final three episodes is athree-part finale, though I
think yeah, Are they?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
going to release them all at once.
I don't know.
That'd be cool.
I hope so.
Billy's going to love thistheory.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
The theory is that at the end, Spider-Man from the
animated Spider-Man show isgoing to show up.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Dude.
Captain America already showedup.
Shit, spoiler, shit.
Sorry guys, you just startedwatching.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
It's been out for a week.
It's three days.
No, I saw.
I watched in the show.
I totally forgot that Rogue hadsuperpowers besides killing
people with her touch.
Because they don't do it in themovies.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
In the movies they don't give her right, so okay.
So here's what people don'tknow.
Rogue, her powers is she sapspeople's life energy.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I Rogue.
Her power is that she sapspeople's life energy.
I'm dialed in.
All right, I'm dialed in.
I'm the buddy.
Teach me, I'm rogue.
Let's grab the encyclopedia.
Let's figure out every singlepower.
So you've seen the movies rightwhere she's like oh I'm too
afraid to touch anyone and then,like what's-his-face can heal

(12:49):
it through it.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
so can like she wants to bang him because of that or
something wolverine she's gotlike daddy, they've never banged
but I know.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
But there's like sexual maybe in the movie she's
a child.
In the movies there's definitesexual tension between her and
wolverine it probably just wentover my head from her.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
He was like no, exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Okay, yeah, but she was like so anyways.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
In the movies rogue does not even get close to her
potential, but in the comics shestarted off as a bad guy and
one of the first people sheencountered was captain marvel,
and so she has all the samepowers as captain marvel,
because she sapped her powersfrom her.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
So she stores the powers that she says.
I thought it was only likemomentarily.
Like that's how it's in themovie.
She just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
She's not as powerful as she could be because she,
like, could kill people when shedoes it, and so when she became
good, she told herself shewouldn't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah so she can fly, she has super strength.
So I'm watching the, thecartoon, and you're like oh shit
, like what?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
what, whoever she touches?
Hey, let me get some of that.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh, thank you, let's see you later, but that, like
the only reason captain marvelsurvived is because she is as
strong as she is, but that's howshe got her is it when she does
she steal it from you, or doesshe?
She can mimic it, but most ofthe time the person that she
takes it from dies oh, okay,yeah, so it's like a trend.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's yeah.
So it's like a day of transfers, it's got to complete.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But she didn't kill Captain Marvel because of some
reason I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Doesn't she Charge that In the X-Men, the live
action, doesn't she useWolverine's healing powers
somehow?

Speaker 2 (14:19):
But they don't really do her powers right in the
movie.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, but doesn't she ?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
she's like dying because wolverine wakes up and
stabs her because he's having oh, that's right ptsd or something
he's like stabs her, and thenshe like heals from him, and
then everyone shits on her.
Why?
Would you fucking touch himlike they make her feel all bad.
It was like she was gonna die.
Wolverine literally stabbed herin the gut.

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That's like a surefire way todie.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
And then Storm goes.
Why aren't you proud to be amean, oh God.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Storm, yeah, on X-Men 3, when she's like it's not a
cure because there's nothingwrong with you.
Be proud of who you are.
It's like, okay, you're like agod and she can't touch people.
So what's the difference here?
You know, and I don't know whyMagneto's powers cancel out
Rogues Something to do with hismagnetism, I don't know, but

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he's the only one that couldtouch her for some reason.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
He creates a force field.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I don't know, but that's their electromagnetic
field.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
She's.
Yeah, I like how in the cartoonthey always have to make it
clear when Magneto's using hispowers.
So whenever he touchessomething, there's a yellow aura
around it.
It's kind of silly, but at thesame time it does make it very
clear who's doing what when itcomes to a fight, because it

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does get a little chaotic to tryto figure out what's going on.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
You're like what's happening, but yeah, so I'm
probably going to finishwatching that.
I have so much on my list,though, to watch, including
Fallout.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Speaking of which Fallout was directed.
I don't know about all theepisodes, but most of them were
directed by Jonathan Nolan,christopher Nolan's brother.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
The better director Jonathan Nolan is.
What's his work?
Fallout.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
He did Westworld, but also Jonathan Nolan.
He is kind of a ghost directoron a lot of Christopher Nolan
films and like a not a ghostwriter, but he co-wrote a lot of
Christopher Nolan's films withhim.
But he's definitely like thelesser known of the two brothers

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Interesting and I don'tunderstand why.
But Jonathan Nolan has anAmerican accent.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Hmm, I feel like one of them is lying he doesn't have
.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
He doesn't have a british accent, and it's.
You know.
What's funny is?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
there's some people who like, when they move to a
place they can very quickly likethey'll, they'll end up like
losing certain things.
I've heard of people who neverbreak out of their accents, that
have moved to the states andother people who have even moved
from to different parts of theand all of a sudden you see them
in three months and they've gota southern accent.
You're like wait what?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
And then we have the third, nolan brother.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
There's a third.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Matthew Francis, matthew Francis, nolan, and is
he doing anything?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I don't think so, matthew chose a life outside of
film.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Wow.
According to the Daily Mail, heworks at Burger King.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I'm just kidding.
Oh, he was arrested by FBIagents in 2009?
.
Whoa, that's what that firstthing you clicked on said,
millie.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Fact check Is Christopher Nolan's brother a
suspected hitman calledOppenheimer?
I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
What's the fact?
Check what is this News?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
down.
This is his fugitive.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Go up.
Learning that chris, known downthe the twit, the tweet, oh,
learning that christophernolan's fugitive hitman
brother's code name isoppenheimer is actually what
turned me around on him entirelyas an artist he made.
It immediately made me want torevisit everything.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Mr Chow.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
That was Mr Chow who said that.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Clearly a reliable source.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Dude.
The internet is just not whatit used to be Interesting.
It's almost true.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
The ruling needs context.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wow, it's almost like all truth needs context.
I guarantee you, this is justlike fucking ai bullshit hold,
that is chris riddle's olderbrother.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Hitman or not, it sounds like he went to jail, at
least right, at least come onguys that's not this one,
that's's the other one.
This is the director.
Yeah, here we go.
It said his sordid past.
You know, there we go.
We got Hitman who murdered aman in 2009.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Batman Robin and murder For kidnapping.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Was wanted for kidnapping and murder.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I don't understand this.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Christopher Nolan's brother was accused of being
there's multiple websites Ahitman who murdered a US
financier.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
You know how many times we've broken down, nolan,
and we don't know any of this,christopher Nolan's brother
linked to murder.
Okay, so just link.
That's today, the Republic ofCosta Rica has requested the
extradition of Matthew FrancisNolan, pursuant to the
extradition treaty of.
Costa Rica.
So the man fled to the Bahamas.

(19:34):
What if this is Nolan's?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
older brother was accused of being a hitman who
murdered US financier in CostaRica in 2005 and was caught
trying to escape from Chicagojail as he faced extradition.
And you'll never guess his fakename Oppenheimer Oppenheimer
this is.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
God.
How is this not exposed?
What the fuck?
Breaking news.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
This is Every website , this is.
This is real guys.
This is this is now canon.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
We're on to something .

Speaker 2 (20:03):
How, how.
This is now canon.
We're on to something.
How is this house not breakingthe mainstream it?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
doesn't need to go mainstream, but how?
You guys haven't heard of it.
So how much you sip to this guy.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Anyway, it's Oppenheimer right.
We made a movie called.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oppenheimer, like, not once I didn't hit a headline
.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
What's the movie about his brother?
I didn't even know he had athird brother or a second
brother, rather.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I didn't know he had a third brother or a second
brother.
Rather, I didn't know there wasthree of them, because he's
laying low.
This is now canon for Nolan.
For me, I don't care if it'strue or not.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
This guy might not even be real.
So why do Christopher andJonathan have different accents?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I'm curious about that.
Click that one.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Jonathan dropped his accent after he moved to Chicago
as a child, so they grew upseparately.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
One in the.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
States and one, christopher, attended university
college in London.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
But I've also heard of where people will move.
They'll assimilate reallyquickly and sometimes they'll
lose their accent and never lookback.
There's other people who willgo places.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I hate people like that.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
You think it's?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
just a choice, like when somebody moves to the UK
and then all of a sudden theyhave a British accent Within a
year.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Think they're trying too hard.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, they're like.
Well, I went to go get a cup oftea.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's like really bad, you lived in.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Reno.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Don't fucking fake it .

Speaker 3 (21:22):
You have no accent.
It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
This took a weird turn.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I rang you on the telly.
I rang you.
You didn't answer.
I was going to invite you to myflat.
We should do some war spiritattacks whatever Some crumpets
and tea.
It changes which region.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Crikey, it's Australian, I'm going to go.
It changes which region likeit's crocky it's australian.
I'm gonna go see some shrimpdown on the bobby.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
What the fuck I spent some time in london and turned
australian, and a bad one atthat, like where was this man?

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I think we should do a whole.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So, Matthew Nolan hitman Oppenheimer, there we go.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Was he convicted or is he like?
Well, he went to prison.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
He escaped his prison in Chicago, apparently, and
fled to Costa Rica.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Funded surely, surely , by Christopher Nolan.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Interesting 2005,.
That was right after he madeBatman Begins Interesting.
He used his Batman Begins money.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
They filmed that in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
They did actually.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
They did Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
They actually did, they totally did.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Christopher Nolan used his Batman Begins money.
They actually did.
They totally did.
Christopher Nolan used hisBatman Begins money to get
resources to break.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
That's why he filmed in Chicago, so he could be close
to the source.
He's like I need to film ascene in the park.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
How long was it before we made our massive
revelation?
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
We'll have to see, but Christopher Nolan has a
brother.
That's quite interesting Veryinteresting, he thought.
Christopher Nolan wasinteresting.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
And Christopher Nolan's other brother was
interesting.
Just wait until you learn aboutthe third one, Mr Oppenheimer.
He's a.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
You might want to center the camera too while
you're up, kyle.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
If you could.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I've been paying attention to it.
Yeah, it cut out when you saidit was filmed in Chicago.
Oh, so we barely lost.
We maybe lost 30 seconds,that's fine.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
So we're saying it was filmed in Chicago to cover
up him breaking his brother outof prison.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Basically.
That's exactly what it is,because they need to film
certain Batman scenes in prison,under the prison in a tunnel
that Christopher Nolan dug.
It was essential to the plot,although it never shows up in
the movie.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
It was essential.
Mission critical, missioncritical to the plot.
I cannot believe that none ofus have even heard a whiff of
this.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
How did he bury it so well?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
maybe the studios are .

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Uh, that's crazy maybe the studios are like
hiding it, like especially youwould think with the oppenheimer
movie, like we saw that post,you think that would have
exploded.
It's like his brother is ahitman named oppenheimer, that
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean it's too close for none of us to have ever
even heard of it.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
It's crazy, damn Revelations happening on the KD
ratio.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I'm going to go a lot more Kyle, like a quarter inch.
Okay, well, we're good thenBoom.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Boom goes, the dynamite Boom goes.
Yeah, there you.
Boom, boom goes, the dynamiteBoom goes.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, there you go.
That's a throwback.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Do it bitch, dance for me, Dance monkey.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Sit on your fucking cheap-ass chair, drink your cola
.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Off-brand, terrible chair.
68 cents cola from Walmart.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's your cola.
Great value, cool rc cola.
No, no, no, we ain't paying forrc there's too expensive cola.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
There was a point in time where you could buy great
value cola from Walmart for 68cents.
Was it great value or did it,just say cola.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
It was great value, but it said cola it literally
was just cola, didn't it havelike a blue wrapper?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
It was like a teal, almost a light blue.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And it was 68 cents for a two liter.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Good luck Diet cola.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
You can't even buy a bottle of Coke for 68 cents.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I'm pretty sure of the 68 cents.
50 cents of that cost was inthe plastic bottle.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Probably the water was from the sewers of Chicago.
What For the soda?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Oh, God what they carbonated sewage.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and put flavor in it.
Cola.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Cola, Enough flavoring, you can't taste it
right.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
From the bums of the Chicago rim.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
From the bums of the Chicago rim.
Yeah, because of shit the bum.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
That's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I think we should do a whole episode in accents.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I am the worst at accents.
I will undoubtedly offend a lotof people Not on purpose, but
my accents are just that bad.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I can't do accents.
No At all.
No.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Terrible.
There was an accent right there.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Tell me what is it.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
That was clearly South African.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I had to go into my roots for that one yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
German.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Zing, zing.
I feel like I could really godown this rabbit hole with.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Matthew.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Nolan.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's crazy, but it's real, confirmed here on this
podcast.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
We're there nothing.
We are the source of allinformation.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Let's do some research.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
We'll come back to you with the meme from it's
Always Sunny when he's got allthe strings on the walls and
he's looking all crazy, pepeSilva.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I don't know that reference.
Well, that's who he's lookingfor.
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I was thinking of another cartoon character.
I was thinking Pepe Mima.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
The green fucking frog dude.
I was like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's the wrong meme man, pepe Silva.
I was like what the fuck is the?
That's the wrong meme man, pepeSilva.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I was like, wait okay , pepe Silva the fighter.
I'm like, is Pepe Silva?
I was like, is Pepe?
I'm like, all right, I'm sureI'll just go with it.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's a combination of everything you've ever known,
wow.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
That's deep.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Let's talk about interest rates.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
No, I'm just kidding no, I'm just kidding there are
higher what um?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
so will you be watching fallout?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I, it's on my list.
I've heard nothing but goodthings about it.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I do know I've seen lots of clips, but I haven't
watched it I know spoilers, ofcourse, you fucking know I know
how it begins.
He's the spoiler guy I.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I am no him.
Oh, you're 100%.
I've never once looked up aspoiler.
How?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
have I become the spoiler guy?
When have I ever looked up aspoiler?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Moving on, yeah, okay .

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Name anything that's come out recently.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Spoiler on my truck yeah, you got that nice spoiler
on the truck For the wind, gotthat nice spoiler on the truck
For the wind draft.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
On the bed.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Aerodynamics.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
What was I going to say?

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I don't know, was it about Fallout?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
No Spoilers.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I feel like you're so dialed in.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I'm the spoiler king Kyle.
Yeah, absolutely is no.
Oh no, I feel like you're sodialed in.
I'm the spoiler king Kyle.
Yeah, absolutely is no, I feellike you have.
You're tied so much into Redditand all I feel like you're.
I feel like you have joined 50%of all subreddits that exist
and so you spend at least sixhours a day on Reddit.

(29:24):
So if there's ever a sidepocket discussion of something,
you're going to accidentally hitthe scroll on it and be like,
oh fuck.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I spoiled it.
Yeah, whoops, I'm bad Becauseit's like I have to follow just
subreddit.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
He doesn't even fucking want.
Oh okay, Just from the game.
Just from the game.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
They have the flags on it, though so you have to
click on it to see what, but thetitle's like I can't believe
they did this with fallout newvegas and I click on it what's
this?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
that's the monkey brain yeah, I saw this meme
where it's just like fallout 3 Ihave to find my father.
Fallout 4 I have to find my son.
Fallout new vegas I gotta findthat fucker who shot me.
It's such a totally wild storycompared to the other one.
It's Chandler Bing.
Yeah, matthew Perry voices thebad guy.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Because he loved Fallout Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
He does a terrible job, not gonna lie.
It's not good.
It's iconic because of Mostlybecause of memes, but his
delivery as Benny is like Mid.
It's like not as bad as nba.
Oh no we watched.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
You gotta go half court and follow the people I
don't know what we, we, we gottago I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I did try and go back to new vegas not too long ago
and I I do feel like this is oneof the ones that it was hard to
because of just how dated it isI thought you were gonna say
it's like it's honestly not myfavorite fallout.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
No, I, I loved it but it's just.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's very dated though.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
You have to forgive a lot.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, you kind of have to get in that mentality of
it's going to look like crap.
I went back to it probably lasttime I went back to it was
probably two, three years agoand I did a playthrough.
I still love that game.
I love Obsidian.
Yeah, I can't wait for theAvowed right is what it's called
.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm going to forgive it.
It looks not great, I'm notgoing to lie.
But I'm going to forgive itbecause I love Obsidian.
I actually I'm playing throughright now on a second
playthrough of not second,probably like fourth playthrough
of the Outer Worlds.
Fourth playthrough yeah, I'vebeat it like three times.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Is that what you're playing right now?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
I am playing outer worlds right now.
What?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
are you playing although?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm about to start over because I accidentally you
know how, like that game,there's things that can happen.
You get an extra perk but thena permanent debuff.
Uh-huh, I accidentally clickedyes on one where it made me like
stupid and nice, there'snothing you can do.
You can't raise that once it'sthere oh no so I like it's
ruining the game for me becausein outer worlds your character

(32:12):
can actually be so dumb thatthere's dialogue options to be
dumb.
It literally will be inparentheses.
It's a special dialogue optionsays dumb and so like.
Whenever I see that it pissesme off and I'm like I need to
never want to have a dumbplaythrough.
Some it's, it's fun yeah youknow, and that's actually if you

(32:32):
speed running the game, that'sthe quickest way to do it
because, there's a point in thegame that's like literally like
in the middle, where you have toskip, jump this like giant ship
to new area.
But if you're too stupid toknow how it works, you fly it
into the sun and the creditsroll because you and all your
party dies, and so when peoplespeed run the game, they have to

(32:55):
be dumb to get that ending.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I am fall in.
New vegas was the same way theyhad that.
They had a like yourintelligence stat and then, if
you were dumb, it would changeintelligence checks.
The dialogue would be like Ithink there's one where it's
just you aren't even sayingwords.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
You're like duh, duh what?
Yes, your character can be thatdumb, but you're just still
wielding the gun running up anddown Nice.
He can't even talk.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Can't talk, but he's got a good sense of justice.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Nice, great moral compass.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Great moral compass the stats in every RPG that I
always put a bunch into isdialogue, specifically persuade.
Because that can really get youthrough a lot, no matter what
the RPG is.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
I don't want to talk about it forever because we
talked about it already.
But I'm playing Baldur's Gatestill.
I beat it finally, Talk aboutit.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, you're the only person in the world that would
respond like that to Baldur'sGate 3.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
I am in love with it I want to.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
That was the reaction from our fans.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
There's no massively multiplayer online elements to
Baldur's Gate 3.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
There's no min-maxing .

Speaker 2 (34:18):
It needs quality.
I need a bedroll, please.
Thank you very much.
I don't want to roleplay.
I don't give a fuck about camp.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I don't want to role play.
I don't give a fuck about Kemp.
I don't want to go to Kemp.
Talk to these fucking guys, areyou going to?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
make me talk to every character.
That's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Why is everyone trying to fuck me Stop?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I don't care about having sex in this game.
I just want to play thegameplay, I just want to kill, I
just want combat Do you getstats from fucking chicks.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
No, let's get out there.
And fucking boom, boom.
You kind of sound like Kip fromNapoleon Dynamite, his brother.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Oh yeah, okay, that's who Kip is.
Yeah, you did.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Napoleon, don't be jealous.
I've been chatting online withhot babes all day.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Gonna go meet your girlfriend down at the bus's
right la fonda.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Who's real, real?
They get married at the endyeah, her family's all like
disappointed too in the crowdbecause of his outfit, just who?
He is as a person but yeah, balBaldur's Gate.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I finished my playthrough as a ranger.
I'm surprised you made itthrough.
I made it through.
Finally, I'm already planningmy next playthrough I probably
want to do.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm surprised you're not burnt out.
After I beat it the first timeI have to take a break.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I'll probably take a break, but I think I want to do
a warlock dirge and I'm tryingto figure out how that makes
sense.
Lore-wise.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Dirge is the best.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, like maybe you made a deal with a fae Dark
dirge.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, we've abbreviated that, we have their
shard Shard for ShadowheartBazel.
Okay, that's ridiculous.
Bazel, there's Clack forCarlyle Okay, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Bazel, there's Clack for Carly.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Gale.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
There's G, there's W.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Asterion Asta Asta.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
But I have to saysterion side mission.
I get.
I understand now why he won thegame.
You know the, the voice actorof the year.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
His side mission is especially when he goes into his
like dialogues.
At the end there he seemed likethey.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
It seems like they put a ton of effort into that
too, like when you compare it towills.
Oh yeah, wills is like nothing.
I know wills is just himstanding there.
Dad, I don't want to disappointyou.
It's like shut up, will.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
You can't even decide about your own fucking fate
boring, boring will, but uh yeahinteresting part about will is
uh mizora yeah, and you getbanger I like when she just
chills at your camp and you'relike leave, and she's like no,
and you're like fuck, you can'teven like make her leave, just
chill in there and then, um, Ireally enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I didn't.
For some reason I didn't payattention the first time, or
maybe had the volume turned downor something.
But when you go in the house ofhope, the final fight against
rafael, the music, the music didyou.
That's like one of the mostmemorable parts.
I phased over it the first time, I guess.
But he just starts singing.
The bad guy, he's a demon.
He starts singing during hisfinal fight Because he's like

(37:39):
that powerful, I guess, sodisconnected from it, he's just
having fun with it, but you killhim.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Because you're the main character.
The main character is alwaysthe most OP, that's right.
You know the BAFTAs, which islike the British equivalent of
the Oscars.
They have a video game category, they have a whole video game
awards, but it's BAFTAs, and sothe guy that voices what's his

(38:07):
name.
Raphaafael.
He won for best supportingcharacter.
Wow um interesting and hisspeech was actually.
When he talks, he sounds justlike rafael, like he's not even
acting.
That's who he is and he goes on.
This whole like thing about how, like acting in video games is
like giving him the most freedom.
He doesn't understand why anyactor wouldn't want to do it.

(38:30):
It was actually a good speechand they gave him six minutes to
talk.
They weren't booing him offimmediately.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Turning on the music.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
But yeah, the BAFTAs have a whole video and I was
watching it and it was actuallykind of cool.
It felt more about the actorsthan the Game Awards does.
Game Awards feels more like anad.
Now it is.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's like ad space.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Congratulations Now up next, we have a trailer for
the upcoming Move off stage.
Announce the trailer.
We got Nicolas Cage.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Some random dude.
Al Pacino, it's like.
What the fuck Like?
Just because he's a big namedoes not mean it's relevant.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I've never played a video game in my life, but let's
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
It's not as bad as Al Pacino at the Oscars.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Oh God, that's what I was thinking of right there too
.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
And he did the Game Awards too.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I know he did.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Is he like his agents ?
It's Al.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Pacino and his recognizable things.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And he just had a kid , so he needs some money.
Honestly Makes sense.
I love that when he's All rightand it says Oppenheimer it
doesn't even announce thenominees.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
And my eyes see.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oppenheimer.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
And they're like oh, okay.
Okay, fuck it, We'll go.
It was like a little awkward,Like what do you do?
Like what the fuck the pinnacleaward and you don't even get a
nod.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Don't even announce the nominees.
Oppenheimer he's literally onstage for like 20 seconds, not
even, and he doesn't even like.
That's the first thing he saysall right, I see up and I feel
like one job, and it's not likehe hasn't been in the film
industry forever like he shouldknow how it works.

(40:24):
It shouldn't be that hard.
Maybe he had to go to thebathroom really bad.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
He was shitting in his diaper.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
He just had a kid.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
He probably has a diaper, he just had a kid.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
He probably it's disgusting.
He was like 80 years old.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Valve, did you know in his diaper Billy.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Dude, I just fucking can't man.
Hollywood is so gross to me,dude, it's such a bunch of
fucking losers, it's like prettylosers.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You know who's the celeb that's got all the tea.
That's just been dishing lately.
Cat Williams, really I love CatWilliams.
She's been dishing lately.
Cat Williams, really thecomedian.
Yeah, I love Cat Williams.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I love his comedy.
He has been dishing.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Dishing tea Like out of heat, or yeah and all the
shit that he's seen in Hollywoodand all this stuff.
Yeah, and sometimes he justseems a little crazy, but other
times you're like damn, thatactually seems like that could
have happened.
That's real life and he's beentalking about all this like
diddy stuff oh, that's beengoing on and all the stuff that
he personally like, saw and wasinvolved in that kind of thing,

(41:34):
like, and he's like, did he askyou to party?
You say no, like becauseeveryone knew, apparently.
Like he was saying everybodyknew that was going on and like,
uh, anyways, that's who sidesthe point.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
But that's crazy man of course the british would put
us to shame with their awardshows.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Dude, it's way better it was so.
It was about the actors.
It was each and like nomineehad like a good amount of time.
I think, um, what's his namewon for best actor, miles
Morales, oh really, I think sowhat's?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
his name.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
It doesn't even make sense for like Naji.
How do you say?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
his name Naji.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Peter, something like that.
Yeah, it doesn't even makesense.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
It doesn't make sense the Game Awards being online
like a streaming event.
It could be as long as it needsto be.
It doesn't need to be like youcould give as much credence to
the actors and stuff as youwanted it doesn't need to fit
within like a cable time itdoesn't need to be a live show.
Right, it could be pre-recordedand they could break down the
segment that's a good point butI do whatever they want.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
I think, jeff keely, he wants it to be live because I
, I is live, I like it beinglive, I guess.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
But why do they have a time constraint?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
If you want to give an extra five minutes to every
they're paying for airspace onTwitch.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
It's not like our YouTube, or just do?

Speaker 1 (42:57):
what the Oscars and all these other awards do is the
ones that people care lessabout.
That you just take them out ofthe show.
And then the bigger awards yougive more time to.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
They kind of did that they definitely did, because
they have like speed round, allright we got this they won, they
won, they won, they won okay,that felt like disrespectful
though see, that's what I'msaying.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
So the oscars.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
They.
They don't do nods like that,they just have a day before
event that you can like.
I don't know if you watch itonline.
It's like they get like all thepeople that win those
categories, they have their ownevent for that.
And then the main one is theyou know 10 categories, 15
categories that everybody's likereally wanting to see.
So you could just narrow itdown that way what I'm thinking
you need to give a fucking awardto every single genre.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
What I'm thinking, Jeff Jeff Keighley reach out to
us.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
We will help Put together the video game sports.
Bafta has been doing it for 20years.
Game awards for 20 years, theBAFTA game awards.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Really.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Why have I not heard of this Until this year?
2004 Game wise 2004 Raymanrayman so best animation was
hi-fi rush, that's yes bestartistic achievement was alan

(44:17):
wake 2.
Best audio achievement was alanwake 2 nice, nice best game was
Baldur's Gate 3.
Of course, british gameViewfinder Debut game, venba,
best evolving game, cyberpunk,family game.
Super Mario Bros Wonder Game.
Beyond entertainment Chia Neverheard that one.

(44:39):
This is content Game designDave the Diver, dave the Diver
man Multiplayer.
Super Mario Bros Wonder Music.
Baldur.
Super Mario Bros Wonder music.
Baldur's Gate narrative.
Baldur's Gate, new IPviewfinder.
So they only have two likeactor awards best performer in a
leading role and best performerin a supporting role who won

(45:00):
the leading role?
the Miles Morales oh, okay andthen best performer in a
supporting role was AndrewWincott, who voices Raphael.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Raphael Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Technical achievement was Legend of Zelda oh and
player's choice, Baldur's Gate 3.
Easy, we got to check out theBAFTAs next year.
Yeah, if you remember this.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
When did they happen?
Is it around the same time,like a couple weeks ago?
Bless you, they happen isaround the same time.
Like a couple weeks ago, blessyou.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I'm not on the British radar.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Me neither.
There should be after yourBritish accent that you were
doing earlier.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
There's so much shit out there, dude, it's like how
tied in are we to this, like thegame, stuff and a whole event,
just you don't even hear aboutit.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
We're in America.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Clearly we're better than everyone.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
We said British people go away, we don't want
you.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
You know, back in 1812, when they came back to try
and take us down, they burnedthe White House down.
I've never forgiven them forthis.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I love how you said that mid-laugh Burned the White
House down.
I've never forgiven them forthis.
I love how you said thatmid-laugh Burn the White House
down.
Speaking of the White House, Isaw Apple TV.
There's a series calledFranklin.
It's about Ben Franklin.
It's got Michael Douglas as BenFranklin.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
No shit, Do you know about Ben Franklin?
Ben Franklin is one of thecraziest yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I'm like I'm pretty sure most of it's going to be
untrue and make him look like Idon't know.
I imagine those shows usuallymake them look better than they
are.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Well, not lately.
I would say that the shows havebeen pretty honest, so it might
be.
But I also feel like Betterthan they are.
It is important to look atpeople through the context of
the time they're in.
100%, otherwise, you knowthere's a lot of people that

(47:02):
contributed many great things tosociety that you'll find, no
matter who it is.
They weren't great people mostof the time, and sometimes they
were.
I'm not overly interested invilifying people from a couple
hundred years ago.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Was Ben Franklin a bad dude?
He wasn't like a great guy.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Really, I was just saying you know how?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Morally, I don't think he was downright.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
He did a lot of great things, but I think those shows
a lot of time turn into almostlike an idolization of what we
think he was versus.
He might have been a little bitof a shyster, you know he might
have been a little shady of ashyster.
You know, he might have been alittle shady, little shyster
because he got stuff done.
But he might have been he mighthave black, you know, he might

(47:52):
have been getting stuff done onthe wrong side.
I know he had like I think Ithink he had probably drug
addiction to something it'ssyphilis.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Really bad from all his had a major sex addiction.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
This is one of my favorite things about him.
He was into older women.
He himself was old as dirt.
There's letters from him thathe would write to chicks older
than him.
It was so wild, it was soraunchy.
The guy was crazy, crazy,awesome.
In my opinion, he did what heneeded to do.

(48:30):
I was reading somethingrecently about him that like
they sent over uh some money tohelp him like get a deal done
with I think it was like franceor something like that.
Yeah, and all of a sudden, likea like five hundred thousand
dollars extra was missing and itwas like uh, don't, uh, don't
worry about it's, like that'sthe price to for admission or
whatever, and it's basicallyjust blown on uh, hookers and

(48:53):
fucking drugs he's very outsideof everything done basically
he's very outside of the boxthinker though too, and, like
some of the like his inventionshe came up with were really
interesting, the things that hethought about.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, I mean like bifocals.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
National treasure yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
He was also one of the founding fathers that was
actively against slavery, didn'thave slaves, at least when he
was an adult.
He had slaves when he was achild, but as he actively
against slavery, didn't haveslaves, at least when he's an
adult, he had slaves and he's achild, but as he grew up, he, he
did not have slaves, him andjohn quincy adams, uh, which for
the time that was very radicalto be against that.
I'm sure there was lots ofpeople that were, but like it
just wasn't, you know yeahwasn't a thing.

(49:43):
So, like there are lots ofthings I think and it's
important to when you're lookingat history, it's important to
understand and say, okay, yeah,there's this part of this person
that would not be acceptable,okay, or even morally right if
it existed now, but alsounderstand the context of what
they did do for society and what.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a waste of time to to even
like focus on that stuff.
If they're a good guy, you know, like honestly, I think when
you look at history or you, yousee somebody like a, a figure
like that that I mean one of thefounding fathers did so much in
his lifetime like reallyfucking crazy what he sort of
accomplished and was involved inum.

(50:24):
To sort of accomplished and wasinvolved in um to like I like,
if you're, if you're doing likea thorough breakdown of like
that dude's whole life, thenmaybe sure you should showcase a
lot of stuff.
But I don't have a problem withlike an idealization of what
that person ever might be ormight what he was, because at
the end they were everybody'sjust people.

(50:44):
Of course he had fallibletraits or things that not really
redeem equalities.
Okay, he was a womanizer andstuff like that.
Who the fuck wasn't.
If they had power back thenthere was nothing else to do but
fuck or now.
Yeah, there was nothing else todo but fuck.
Come on man, Seriously.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
An apple a day keeps a doctor away.
Yeah.
That was his saying a pennysaved is a penny earned.
See, there you go, give a man afish, feed him for a day.
That was his, that was histeach a man to fish.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Feed him for a lifetime.
There you go, let me double,let me fact check myself before
I know they're completelysomebody I don't have like I
don't have a you know I, I don'treally mind if, if, if it is
like an idea, is theidealization, like caricature of
what the the person might be,because at this point it's been
hundreds of years well, you kindof just need to look at them
and just like, hey, that'ssomething to aspire to.

(51:37):
Why knock it down, unless it'sfor like a, a fucking research
paper?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
well, I wouldn't say I don't.
I'm not saying they add it toknock him down.
I would just be interested tolearn who he really was like.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
When I watch a show like that I would rather see
what actually happened than likemarvel is it a drama tv series
or is it like a biography?
I?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
think it's like a drama tv series.
Okay, so I would rather I Iunderstand they're going to bend
the truth a little bit becauseit's, you know, drama but I
would rather learn somethingcool about ben franklin or
something interesting that Inever knew from watching it,
rather than just he was captainamerica, you know, and I I guess
I mean there's nothing wrongwith that, but I just I think

(52:22):
we've had a lot of those shows,and I personally like the shows
where they add a little bit ofthat realism in of like, so this
is who he actually was so I wasway off on the fish quote I was
like dude.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I feel like that is he had a version of that that he
said, but the quote itselfcomes from lao su uh, founder of
taoism, very close to BenFranklin.
But even that isn't known 100%.
That's just because it's such abroad quote that that's who
they think is most attributed towhat year was he, that guy

(52:56):
around?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Oh God, lao Tzu.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
He was around 571 BC.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That was close 571 BC .
Yeah, that was close, 571 BC.
That's crazy.
How old were you guys in that571 BC?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Well, let's see Give or take a few millennia 20 fun
facts about Benjamin Franklin.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
He had two years of formal education.
He spent half his life inunofficial retirement.
That must be nice.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
People back then impressed the fuck out of me.
You learn about these dudes,and most of them didn't come
from formula.
Some were rich, some were poor,some were didn't have any
formal education, some were justleaders thrown into war.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Especially the new world.
They didn't have chat GBT tohelp them.
They didn't have any formaleducation.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Some were just like leaders, thrown into war,
especially the new world.
And then you see, they didn'thave chat, gbt to help them,
right, they didn't have a wordprocessor.
But then you see, like theeloquence in which they spoke, I
wonder what day-to-dayconversation sounded like back
then, like was it as natural alanguage as this.
Or did people speak in thatmanner?
It's kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Oh, this is a quote from I didn't know this was ben
franklin.
This is a good one.
There was never a good war or abad peace there.
You go wow deep I've definitelyheard that uh don't throw
stones at your neighbor if yourown windows are glass.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Makes sense, isn't that like, don't throw stones in
a glass?
Isn't there one about glasshouse?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, I think some of these are like appropriated
quotes I feel like he took themfrom Lost.
Time is never found again.
What's more valuable than golddiamonds than diamonds virtue

(54:57):
starting to get less good as Igo down most of the stuff we're
seeing is um, is that he was aladies man?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
oh, dude, 100, yeah, but like I mean it's so okay, I
had to double check myself.
An apple a day keeps the doctorray was ben franklin, though,
okay um, like it's sofascinating to me learning about
like 1776 and the revolutionarytime in revolutionary america,
because I feel like as a kid Imight have learned that or might

(55:27):
have come like the teachersmight have been teaching it, but
I did not retain most of itbecause that's the stuff they
teach you when you're so young.
Yeah, and so, like you know, Iwatched Hamilton, and watching
Hamilton, yeah, it's a musical,but you learn some cool stuff
that's actually real and it'slike oh shoot, I didn't know
that happened, like what.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
You know what you know.
There's this podcast katieratio that talks about.
It's called the katie ratio.
No, there's this podcast calledhistory that doesn't suck um,
and I listened to this guy has.
He has a whole portion on um.
The whole podcast itself isfrom the american perspective,
uh, but uh, he has a wholeportion on the revolutionary war

(56:08):
War, and it starts way back ofwhen George Washington was
really young and GeorgeWashington himself is an
extremely fascinating character.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, he's one of the major reasons as to why it all
worked.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So, to start things off, when he was still part of
the British military, he had hisown chip on his shoulder
because he was like 21 years oldand something like four people
died in his command and all of asudden he was in charge of this
group of a bunch of people andhe was fighting.
I think this might have beenthe French and Indian War

(56:49):
Probably butchering historyright now, but I think it was
the French and Indian WarProbably butchering history
right now.
But I think it was the Frenchand Indian War.
And he got cornered into abunker and he's like a kid
basically, and he's commandingall these people and then he
goes out for negotiations andthen they do the whole
negotiations.
He couldn't read the contractand so he signed it and from

(57:11):
that point on, british peoplewere like shitting on him and
was like he lost this battle,blah, blah, blah.
And he didn't really lose it.
He like fought tooth and nailfor like weeks and in the rain,
and like it was miserable.
And then that was like the verybeginning of like fuck the
british, why like?

(57:31):
Why did I just go through allof this?
And then for me to make me outthe way that and like and he
stood like six feet tall at atime and like the average height
was like five, five and so likehe just looked like a mountain
of a man and like he was justlike a very stereotypical, like
rugged american.
He's like the first americanlike it and the guy that does

(57:52):
the podcast does a much betterlike he's much better
storytelling.
It makes it very interesting.
So if you're interested in thatkind of stuff, it's yeah, it's
called a history that doesn'tsuck do you have a favorite fact
about george washington billy?

Speaker 3 (58:03):
because I do a favorite fact?

Speaker 1 (58:06):
yeah, um, the fact that he didn't want to be
president.
That was going to be mine hehad the forethought of, like he
had no interest in being thepresident.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
They made him and didn't he say like I don't want
them to.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
They wanted him to be a king, actually Literally, and
then he stopped it Literally.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
That's why I was saying he's such a key piece in
it, because he could have justconsolidated the of the power
and literally had anothermonarchy.
Yeah, but he he's the reasonwhy we had eight years, because
after eight years he's like Ifucked this and just gave it up,
like that was not.
Like I don't think the eightyears two term thing that came
into play because that's fdr had16 or I think he was elected
four times but then there wasthis.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Well, there was a.
It was because of there was umduring wartime, there was a
special thing, when you could be.
Elected more than twice.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
And we totally canned all of that and you know like A
lot of that shit came from him.
That structure and stability,it's kind of wild.
I don't like necessarily goingall the way back To the
revolutionary days, because it'sI like more like recent history

(59:14):
.
I I guess like like post-worldwar ii to me is like the most
fascinating because I think I'llcall that like modern history
yeah, because to me, like withthe revolutionary war, like I
feel like that kind of stuffhappened all the time, like
there was revolutionaries allthe time.
At that point, the 1700s,basically Britain ruled the
fucking world because they hadall the Conquered everything.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
They were the only one with the navy.
I like the saying the sun neversets on England, because at one
point that's how broad theirempire was.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
All of India was British territory essentially.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
All those islands.
What was it called the Silk.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Road.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, did they have control of all that too?
I think.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
It's like the East Indian Trading Company was like
their CIA kind of like Secretgovernment corporation, super
secret or whatever.
That whole thing is kind offascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
And then Pirates of the Caribbean turned that into
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, that happened, actually there was Davy Jones.
Yeah, absolutely I thinkactually he might be a real
person, but a squid face, no, Ithink Davy Jones actually is a
real pirate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Yeah, davy Jones is the lead singer of the Monkees.
Yeah, ah yes, the dude's nameis David Jones.
There you go, so it is at leasta real person.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I like more modern history because to me post-World
War II is the most fascinatingera for all of humanity because
it's been historically by farthe most peaceful era that
humans have ever seen, sincewe've been able to sort of
travel and move and do anything,um, or communicate like that.

(01:00:52):
It's just kind of crazy howpeaceful it's been.
And and seeing like a lot ofseeing how that sort of came to,
came to be and um, essentiallywith the, the nuclear bomb, it's
kind of kind of wild.
I mean literally, literally theus could have taken over the
entire world.
That post world war ii, likeeverybody was prettys could have
taken over the entire world atpost-world war ii, like
everybody was pretty much beatup, pretty bad after the two

(01:01:14):
wars and we were the only oneswith nuclear power.
Like we could have clipped thenuts of every other country and
literally the stuff thathappened, like in japan.
Japan is one of the mostinteresting examples of that
where you see, for like thefirst time ever, instead of
basically throwing our influencedown their throat and enforcing

(01:01:36):
like our culture and not somuch our culture but like, uh,
heavily police, trying, yeah,yeah, right, like we rebuilt
japan, like we helped themrebuild, and it went through
like this crazy like it was.
It was like the most successfulmodel that's ever happened.
Like japan is like a thrivingculture that has its own

(01:01:56):
identity.
Like it was amazing.
We didn't, we didn't take itover, we didn't, we didn't claim
it as a turtle.
Like we helped to rebuild themand it wasn't without its pain
points if you get into the thehistory, it's actually kind of
crazy what happened during thatera.
That's the thing about knowingtoo much.
You can sit there and go wellthis, if you take the 50,000
foot approach and just sort oflook at it at a big picture,

(01:02:18):
it's like that's a wildlysuccessful model that worked out
.
We did that across the USbecause we were so afraid World
War II happened because of whathappened with World War I.
World War I we gave a bill toGermany and completely fucked
their civilization.
Well, guess what, when you pissoff 100 million people, hitler
happens right.
So let's maybe not do that withJapan, right?
So like same kind of thing,like we learned from those

(01:02:40):
mistakes.
And it was like the first timethat we had a civilization, a
global civilization, that couldthen make like really, I guess,
decent, non-militaristicdecisions to like rebuild
cultures and communities.
And yeah, and it's been afucking wildly successful model
since then I think the mostinteresting history, um is not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I mean, american history is so short in the grand
scheme of things, like yeah, sothere's some interesting points
, but the most interestinghistory is long ancient history.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
For me, Medieval, or what are you talking?
Probably even pre-medieval,prehistoric.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
No, not prehistoric Medieval is not that old in
comparison.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Dinosaurs, human history, human history Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Prehistoric Pangea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Ever heard of it.
You ever heard of it.
I've been there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
We said the same thing.
What Ever heard of it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, is that from something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
No we just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Pangea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Our cycles are synced .

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I figured yeah, you both seem a little moody tonight
.
Yeah, I'm sorry to say you'redoing it so wild.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
So, but like what, what era, what era?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Egyptian I would say like ancient Rome.
Ancient Rome, it's veryinteresting, but like ancient
Egypt is so long ago.
Yeah, their empire startedsomething like 4,000 BC, which
is like so I think we talkedabout this on the podcast before
but like the construction ofthe pyramids.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Oh, I love this fact.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Was further away from Cleopatra than Cleopatra is
away from us, because that's howold their history is, which is
insane.
But one of the I don't what theexact uh time frame this is, I
want to say it's around.
Look up hannibal barca.
This guy was super interesting.

(01:04:39):
Hannibal, hannibal barca, whatwhich is?
Played by denzel washington hisfull name is barca hannibal
barca in the punic wars, butcarthaginian okay, yes, this was
bc, so 247 bc I was I was gonnasay like, uh, like around, like
zero, but 247 bc, this guywould make a perfect movie.

(01:05:06):
Maybe it looks like it mighthave already made a movie with.
No, they're making one withdenzel so this guy, he took a
whole army of soldiers and theywere going into um, italy, and
it was like impossible duringthe carth, like the punic wars,
for carthage, to um get intoeurope that way, like they kept

(01:05:30):
losing and losing.
So he got a bunch of warelephants and took these war
elephants over the swiss alpsand then attacked, like italy,
from the north.
Can you imagine just a bunch ofpeople riding elephants over
the swiss, over the swiss alps,into your homeland?

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
That's fucking dedication.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Like it was wild and he won the I think it was the
second Punic War and there wasmultiple and then people of
Carthage ended up, I think,losing again after that.
But that guy has an incrediblyinteresting story for a general
of those times, and so that'sthe kind of stuff.

(01:06:12):
The reason I think that, likeancient history, is interesting
is because it's so long ago thatit almost feels like akin to
like a fantasy novel some of thestuff that you read that these
people have done, which is youknow?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
that's always cool for me dude like europe has just
never stopped being at war.
There's always somebody likecapturing and taking some shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah so if you look at it so, carthage, it was like
right here, like modern daynorth africa, and he took his
war elephants up above throughwhat's now like spain, went
through the alps and thenattacked italy from above that
way with war elephants.
It's crazy which is insane.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
So denzel washington's gonna play animal
bark, that's what it said onthat post right there
interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Denzel washington can play whoever he wants.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
That guy's an amazing great, I mean I would watch it,
him as an old roman empire or aroman war general.
My favorite time periodinteresting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
So kyle's is way, way long ago I wouldn't say it's my
favorite time period mostinteresting but like it's maybe
the most interesting, I guess Ialso like reading about the
renaissance as well, okay whichis like a good 1500 years after
this but so hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
So carthage was in, basically like modern day, like
algeria algeria, tunisia orwhatever yeah, tunisia, I don't
know how you pronounce, and theywere at war, and then they went
through spain and then camecame down through the top of
italy um with their warelephants fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
So they they took their war elephants.
That's fucking crazy.
So they took their warelephants.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
They got them across where Morocco is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
That little tiny when Morocco almost touches Spain.
That's where they took theirelephants across, and then they
took them all the way.
They took African elephants andbrought them into.
How did he pitch this?

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Imagine being a person never seeing an elephant,
just like they're riding it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Like what is this beast?
It's a demon that is like andthat works.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That's like modern day tank.
They just it's like abiological tank.
That's crazy.
Wow, what were you saying,Dylan?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Sorry, I was trying to think my my most interested
time period.
I would say I'm alwaysinterested to learn about, like
um, ancient greece.
I I'm really fascinated ancientgreece and kind of I'm more,
more my fascination came in with, like their mythologies.
Um, that's how I got hooked asa kid, but learning about the

(01:08:49):
real history of it and Athensand 300 was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Man, those guys were free spirits.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
I know Athens was they were just like.
Whatever happens happens Groupsex all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
They have orgies man, woman they don't care, they're
just trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
They're just living.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Just living the dream .
Probably all had STDs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Probably.
I would say that might be theone I'm most interested in,
although I do.
I really love going to like.
Out of all the museums, I likeWorld War II museums most,
probably more than like CivilWar or Revolutionary.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
War Because maybe I don't know in a weird way it
still feels more relatable.
Because maybe, I don't know, ina weird way it still feels more
relatable, like I don't know.
It's much easier to pictureyourself in that time frame than
it is in ancient yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And I'm mostly fascinated seeing like the old
technology and seeing like thatwas a precursor to this and just
like it blows my mind some ofthe stuff that they how unsafe
it was but they just did it, youknow, because they just had to
do it for war, like some ofthose howitzers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Those are crazy they're big German technology
was on another level.
World War II.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
It's crazy.
Could you imagine your hearingDude?
They didn't care about that.
You, you imagine you're hearingdude because you didn't have
hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
No, you didn't, you didn't, they didn't even have
like earplugs your lifeexpectancy was so low that that
was never even a consideration.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
There was so much other shit like to worry about
it's like that was never even athought yeah like oh, cover,
plug your ears.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Oh, you're a little bitch don't even need to do that
.
You can't handle it once itgoes off a few times the ring
stops, it goes away.
Don't worry, you'll get shellshock dude world war one was
brutal, like it was anotherlevel, like might be the
atrocities that were committedin world war ii were higher,

(01:10:47):
like as what the Nazis did, butas far as actual battle tactics,
world War I was ruthless.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Geneva Convention was invented, I think, the
atrocities might have even beenworse.
Chemical warfare yeah, mustardgas I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
on civilians versus as far as rounding up an entire
race and killing them.
But the war tacticsspecifically.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Mustard gas.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Without regard for bystanders or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
The whole trench warfare stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
That's where the term trench foot came from because
their feet would be wet formonths at a time and then they
just never recover.
Your foot's gone and trenchfoot is so painful that it felt
like you're.
We're constantly walking onknives.
Like it's insane.
Like and mustard gas, like yousaid, dylan, like some of the
like, just the idea of fightingin a gas mask is so like

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grotesque, because otherwise youcan't breathe yeah, well, and
you were just expected to, theywould just send you out there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Yeah, Dude, how about the Russian model?
They'd send you out there.
Grab the gun off the guy thatdied before you, and hopefully
he's got a bullet left in you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
There was an entire battle, I don't even remember
which one it was.
They would send you with onebullet because that's all you
needed, because you're probablygoing to die by the end of the
point, and that's how, like,basically, if you look at the
history of Russia and like howthey've won wars is just having
more population than anybodyelse, and that's a huge
advantage, and they just fuckingflood you with bodies.
It's kind of crazy, but the ideathat you would just like charge

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in about and the idea that youwould just charge in about and
if you did it they would justkill you there, which that
happened all the time.
So you just charge in, grab thefucking gun that's falling off
and see how far you can go.
That was what they did.
Could you guys imagine?
There's no fucking way.
What a life.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Reaching the political power that you don't
start to see other humans asindividual souls resources but
you see them as a resource.
So it's like what we have 500soldiers, okay, send them to the
front line.
I you know what's funny they'reexpendable.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
I think that only could happen in that era.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I don't I don't know let me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
I don't know if even like the most hardened dudes
ever, I'm sure there's a couplepsychopaths but to have
something like that work youneed a system of things right.
I don't know if that and thisis probably naive, but I don't
know if that could work intoday's era because of things
like video recording.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I guess certainly not in the way that superpowers did
it before.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Right, yeah, like if, if you did that like somewhere
in the chain, somebody would seeit, the soldiers would see it
and like revolt earlier on it.
Like I don't think it could getto that that level ever again,
because that kind ofdesensitization to like human
life can only happen from like awar room where they're like

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literally a pawn on a table.
All right, we're gonna movethem to that.
How many?
200, 000 good, send them in.
We got plenty of resourcesthere.
We can't feed them this winter,so we let's just fucking have
them die, so you know, then ournumbers will be down.
Then we can feed though theones that survive.
Like we expect a 70 percentcasualty rate, like I think it
can only be done when you'rejust staring at a piece of paper

(01:14:11):
and making a decision.
If you saw any of theatrocities or the horrible shit,
I don't know how that chain ofhierarchy could exist with that
level of treachery.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah, like, imagine being in the medieval times.
You know, like, and you had acastle and you just, or you were
looking at your game plan mapwith your chess pieces and
you're like, like you saidthere's oh there's 500 people
here.
They're expendable, we can putthem to die against these people
, while we take this front overhere.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah, we're going to send these guys in.
They're going to be really thediversion we're going to take
this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
That was a huge problem with the French
Revolution, with howdisconnected royalty was from
the common folk.
They kind of made a joke out ofit now.
But the queen, that famousquote where they're like they're
starving today.
She's like, well, let them eatcake, because she had no idea

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really what, like what, wasgoing on before all the nobles
was getting their heads choppedoff like we need another one.
There's that quote from mashthat I always think of, from
hawkeye um, not marvel's Hawkeye, but Hawkeye from MASH when he
says I'm sure you've heard itbefore, where he says I'm

(01:15:35):
condensing it but he says war iswar and hell is hell, and of
the two war is worse.
Why is war worse than hell?
Because there's no innocentbystanders in hell.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Yeah, I mean back.
I mean, if you think about thetimes too, what were the really
like the two professions?
Like you'd farm and build, likegenerate resources for your
homeland, or you would go tolike war and you'd be like a
soldier and stuff like that.
And obviously there's likeleather working and and Taylor,
yeah, exactly, there's kind ofthere.

(01:16:08):
And taylor, yeah, exactly,there's kind of there's things,
that kind of stuff, but likenowhere near the services.
So you like that was the choicethat you had.
So if you weren't necessarilyat war, I'm not sure how you
like you, you command, likepeople would probably get bored.
I I don't know like yeah, likethat was just what you did, was
you just your goal was to, thatwas the culture?

(01:16:28):
Right, like we need more land.
Let's go conquer it defendingagainst raiders and there was no
like uh peace time.
It was like you were alwaystaking something from somebody.
You know it was just warringfactions what, uh?

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
what profession do you think you guys would have
had in medieval times?

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I don't have been a fucking jester core jester.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I bet you that was probably a highly coveted
position, probably and I couldentertain her live in the castle
billy would be the bar comedianor something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, yeah, you're just there for entertainment
exactly yeah, they probably livepretty.
It's all things consideredpretty cush lives, oh yeah but
if you wouldn't be like, youwouldn't necessarily be on the
list to to be slain if someonetook over because everybody
wants to be entertained, yeahkill the jester what do you mean
?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
you just had to prove your worth to the next exactly.
You gotta be funny or not?

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
oh, I don't speak your language.
Kill him sorry, see ya physicalcomedy, yeah people have always
valued when resources are thatsmall, like are that tight and
you can't generate.
You know, like they might haveseen it as such, like a black
and white thing, because sorrowand heartbreak was so common
back then, like they would justthink way more logically.

(01:17:42):
So it was like, if we keep himalive, that's a mouth to feed,
yeah, right, so like kill him,that's not a mouth to feed, like
yeah right, so like kill him.
That's not a mouth to feed likethey.
Almost probably there was likea culture of like empathy, like
I'll kill him, but humanely, andyou know he won't starve to
death.
Yeah, like imagine being that.
Like you know that you cannotgenerate enough resources to

(01:18:02):
feed everybody, like because onyour war over there you fucking
did uh scorched earth plantactics and you fucking lit
every field on fire so you canyou know you can't feed the
kingdom.
Yeah, so you're like doing thema mercy by killing them.
Like I bet you that these werelike they probably saw
themselves as merciful, which iswhy you see some of the

(01:18:23):
craziest egos when you look intothe dictators yeah from that
era because it was like theymade those decisions.
You're like, well, you killed amillion people.
That's mercy.
I couldn't feed them.
Yeah, you know, it's like, andit's just that.
And it's like, well, they'drather starve to death.
And then starving people makebad decisions like they.
They'll steal from you, they'llfucking kill, like you don't

(01:18:43):
want that.
So you know the implications ofwhat that means.
If, like, people are starving,they're going to go crazy and
cause havoc.
So you kill them.
It's like a mercy thing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
A lot of misery.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
I guarantee you that that's how they logic through
that problem.
It was just black and white.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
It was not even a it probably wasn't even a political
thing at that level.
That's how you had to think inorder to survive.
If you were too empathetic,you'd die.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
I don't know what I would.
I'm thinking about it's so likeyou'd have to be a product of
what profession?
Half the time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
It's just like what you were born into I was gonna
say, like you don't choose, I'mborn into nobility.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Like no, I mean the reason we're all here some point
yeah, in our ancestry there wassome reason that we didn't die
out.
It is because we were ancienttimes somebody in our ancestry
was some big shit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Someone found success in the crazy, fucked up world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
But the most common jobs, the five most common jobs
of the medieval time was farming, carpentry, butchery,
shoemaking and thenchurch-related work,
Church-related work, interestingChurch-related work.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Let me ask you this Do you think the battles back
then were as epic as we've seenon TV?
You know what I really think?
It is One or two guys that werejust fucking methed out of
their head and really kind ofbeing true warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
There's no way to actually make meth in the
medieval times, but somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
They found some way.
They would just drink theirasses off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Walter.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Maitre time traveled.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
And just fucking go crazy.
I don't think it was as epic aswe think it is, or they were as
trained as we might think it is, and no, they certainly didn't
have armor.
So the idea that a whole armywould be full of plate mail,
that's not really.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
I bet there was probably.
Yeah, I bet it was mostlymilitia.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Foot soldiers were A lot of wars, a lot of them were
mercenaries.
A lot of them were hired.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Right.
So when you think of a battleback then like a battle over
Rome, I bet if you looked at thenumbers it was like 500 killed
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
It was just like a transfer of power, because yeah,
500 killed, yeah, but thedifference is is they met on a
battlefield.
There was no guerrilla warfarein those days.
It was literally me formal andwe'll do it like men attack.
It wasn't into.
I mean, guerrilla warfare wasreally kind of a in the last,
like I would say like 300 yearsstarted slowly becoming a thing

(01:21:11):
wasn't it a lot of it had to dohonestly in the american
revolution yeah uh americans,the white people being trained
by native americans.
They taught them warfare likewhy are you fighting this way?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
just take them out when they walk by, like what are
you doing?
You know, stupid, that's prettydumb.
Just let them shoot you.
Yeah, why not?
So just look.
I just looked up like famous.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
No, I just did.
Oh my god 70 000 people theregoes your theory.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Yeah, it goes well.
This is like the most.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
I clicked on the first one, the most famous
battle.
So Romans, 70,000 people Idon't know what this is Roman
and Aladin.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
This is the Battle of Cannae.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I don't know how you pronounce that 216 BC.
This is the Second Punic War.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Dude, the Second Punic War was when shit happened
.
Man, this is the same war withHannibal Barca.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
So maybe we do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
70,000 people died in there.
Can you imagine a field?

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
battle.
I doubt it was a field battle.
That's 70,000.
Across the whole, yeah, butstill That'd be cool to see.
Maybe not 16,000, 20,000.
So it goes a little bit higherthan 500.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
So for the Okay.
So this is the Battle ofTottenberg Forest.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
The casualties were light.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Romans.
However, only a few escaped themassacre.
Oh because.
So they were like rounded upand then fucking executed.
Well, I do.
Do you imagine executing anentire city, do we?

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
know that the romans fought the same way like the
revolutionary war were.
Are you sure it wasn't justthey charged at each other?
Like I don't think it washonorable back then, like it was
during the, you know, theamerican revolution.
I don't know, I think it wasmore we throw.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
We just keep throwing bodies dylan, the battle of um
kenny.
Uh-huh, that was one day.
That was one day.
It was holy 80, 80 000 people,excuse me, 86,000 people versus

(01:23:35):
50,000 people Holy.
And that was led.
The Hannibal Barca was the onethat led the smaller amount of
people, 50,000 versus 86,000.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
And 70,000 died.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
I can't even comprehend what that would look
like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
It was one of the most lethal single days of
fighting in history of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Well, that's why it's so famous.
Also, do we think that maybethey exaggerated?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
don't know For historical purposes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Somebody's writing it down, just imagine P's writing
it down, just imagine a fuckingfootball stadium of people with
swords going up against anotherfootball stadium of people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
And I mean there's that quote of the history is
written by the winners.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Yeah, so it's like you, you would scale up the
battle proportions, you know,and that epic.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
The battle of cannae wasn't even the battle that he
brought the elephants, and thatwas a whole, not a separate
battle they probably died offand they're like all right now
what we're here, so let's fuckshit up the punic wars is nuts
man, and the fact that hannibalbarker Barca led a command of
50,000 people and still wonagainst 86,000, those are some

(01:24:56):
badasses.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Yeah, so I am questioning, though I don't
think they had.
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
How do you have the resources to feed and house and
set up and plan 80,000 people?
It's not like it's outside of acity.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I think you're underestimating the human will.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
Well, I think a lot of it was raping and pillaging.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Yeah, so they would just like.
I guess they would just join,like walk into your house and be
like hey, I'm having dinnerhere tonight Definitely 100%.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Like, oh God, my farm's right in the middle of
the battlefield.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
This is the type of thing that is interesting.
If you go to college to studyhistory is because they would
write a report on how do youthink that this was done, and
then there'd be whole theoriesthat make sense and breakdowns
of at what point they hit thistown, this, this town and this
town and completely devastatedthem on their way.

(01:25:53):
You know that kind of thing andlook at this.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
They got like look at the armies, here we go.
Okay, they should be treatedwith.
Figures for troops involved inancient battles are often
unreliable, and can I?
I've always heard as can I uhis no exception.
They should be treated withcaution, especially those for

(01:26:19):
the carthaginian side.
The carthaginian army was acombination of warriors from
numerous regions and may havenumbered between 40 000 and 50
000,000.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
That's still a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
The infantry comprised an estimated 8,000
Libyans, 5,500 Gautilians Idon't even know what that is
16,000 Gauls these sound likealiens in Star.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Trek.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Mainly Boyle and Insurbs.
8,000 were left at camp thatday of battle.
Oh my gosh.
At camp that day a battle.
And 8,000 several tribes ofHispania, including Iberians,
celtiberians and Lusitanians.
Hannibal's cavalry also camefrom diverse backgrounds.
He commanded 4,000 Numenoreans.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Numidians, 2,000 Iberians, 4,000, gaelics, 450,
libyan, phoenician, calvariesand Hannibal had an auxiliary
skirmisher contingent consistingof 1,000 to 2,000 Balearic
slingers Like slingshot, we'regoing to fucking war with

(01:27:27):
slingshots.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
They probably had the ball and the rock you couldn't
do this today.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
There'd be people like I'm just going to play it
on my phone.
You absolutely could not dothat and 6,000 mixed nationality
javelinemen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
And that's all that remains to commemorate this
battle.
That one pillar, that's what70,000 people died for there's
no way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
There it is.
We got a screenshot of thisthis is like from the Wikipedia
article.
This is the one artifact thatthey commemorate.
It's on the page.
This battle there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
That really sells it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
I can just feel the souls of 70,000 dead soldiers.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Look at that landscape though.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I could see 70,000 people fighting or over 100,000
people fighting in thatlandscape.
I love how they were like thenumbers are exaggerated.
It was actually only 40,000 to50,000.
40,000 to 50,000.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
It's like they're trying to nail it.
You know exactly Lightlyequipped.
Yeah, see, there's the sling.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
He has the rock with the rope around it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Imagine running into a battle with that many people
and you die to a fucking rockhitting you in the face, I mean
those rocks were no joke.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
That would rip your face off.
They broke the sound barrier.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Yeah, those things, that blows my mind Really sling.
They're slinging rock man.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Those Balearic slingers, rock slingers,
slingers, gonna go slang somerock, you know.
Oh, they got the wholeDeployment plan here we're
looking at I just have a hardtime believing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
I'll share the screen again.
I just have a hard timebelieving.
This is like 80,000 people Justdid.
That's just insane to me.
The scale of that is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Well, it's over a hundred thousand fifty thousand
to and then on one side, I meaneighty something thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
That's the reason the romans had more is because they
were the defenders.
They weren't the invaders inthis instance.
So I had, uh, I bet you, a goodthirty thousand, if not more.
People on the Roman side didn'teven want to fucking be there.
They were probably just tryingto survive Like these people are
coming after us.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Well, it sounds like they took a bunch of different,
like nationalities and differentgroups of people.
So they, that was a unitedfront.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Yeah, there was a war campaign like when was this
even at hey?

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
all you people.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
In Italy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
The first battle Was up here.
This is where they lost alltheir elephants that they
brought, and then they just keptgoing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
So they were defending.
I guess Rome is.
Where's Rome at Down here right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah, but Rome wasn't Rome.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Not at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
No Rome's to the left .

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Oh shit, so they had already made it past Rome.
Yeah, so Cannae was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
I don't I could be completely wrong, but I don't
think this was the all roadslead to Rome level yet.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Of Rome.
Yeah, it wasn't like RomanEmpire.
When did Rome become Rome?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
When did Rome become Rome.
They were still the RomanEmpire, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
They were around, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
When were they at their peak?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
It was a Roman Republic at that time.
It wasn't the.
It was a Roman Republic at thattime.
It wasn't the Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire came afterthis.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
The Roman Empire.
Right, it wasn't until like ADtimes.
Yeah, so that makes more sense,because at this point Hannibal
dominates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Rome, the Roman Republic.
So where was Hannibal from?

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Carthage, he was Carthaginian, which was like
north africa.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
north africa, yeah, modern day he was like I want to
take that little sliver.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Well, this is the second punic war, if I remember
right.
I want to take that little landthat looks like florida, if
yeah if I were.
Yeah, they knew florida at thetime if I remember right, the
first punic war roman, theromans won, and so this was sort
of like a retaliation.
That hannibal was like yeah,yeah, okay.
So that's how this was sort oflike a retaliation.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
That Hannibal was like yeah, yeah, okay, so that's
how he was able to like I'mback.
I think it was like hedominated Rome and then, very
quickly after Rome became theRoman empire power.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
It wasn't him that did that, though I think he lost
it shortly after.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Oh, I'm sure I mean every 15 minutes you look at
this thing and somebody else isconquering it and, like every
year, it's so crazy to see like,the, the.
There was a video online oflike showing like the map of the
world and showing it scale upand down of like who owned what
territory over like the courseof human history.
It's fucking insane how fastthings expand and collapse like

(01:32:27):
the Mongolian era.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Oh, my God Like like oh, he took over, oh, and then
it completely collapsed, okay Ijust feel like, cinematically,
I'm surprised that this wasn'tmade into like an hbo series or
something at some point already.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
I know you know like that would make a great movie
too soon soon.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Don't disrespect the dead.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Those 7,000 lives 70.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
No, it's animal abuse because of the elephants and we
don't, oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
It's too much.
Did they ever?
I mean, I'm sure they have.
When was the last time theymade a movie or a show about
Gilgamesh I?
Don't know, I don't know ifI've ever even seen one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
I've seen like a story.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I definitely had to do some, because Gilgamesh that
fascinates me too, firstcivilization, the first story,
like that blows my mind.
Well, that we know of anyways,it's like the oldest one we have
, but like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
There's only one movie in history based on the
epic of gilgamesh really andit's from 1975, of course, made
in.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Uh, it's hungarian it's hungarian yeah, why has
nobody made gilgamesh I don'tknow, I don't know how much we
know about it, like we have somewritings from that era right,
we have a whole book, yeah, yeah, which is like Isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Gilgamesh considered the first hero.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
It's a hero's journey .

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Every hero's journey is based on ours because he has
a foundation in Gilgamesh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Because they defined morals.
That was the first time theydescribed the moral compass of
what a good person should be,even though it's a little skewed
For the moral compass of what agood person should be, even
though it's a little skewed forthat era.
Look at it from the context ofthe time, every good person owns
at least 10 slaves.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
That says that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Right below.
Free others with respect ownslaves.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Do you know that Bad Friends podcast with Bobby Lee?
There was a a clip from thatwhere he was like you know,
koreans, we might be, uh, youknow whatever, but at least we
never had a history ofoppression.
He's like what are you talkingabout?
He's like we never owned slaves.
They're like bullshit.

(01:34:50):
And then he looks it up and itwas like Koreans have the
longest unbroken chain ofslavery ownership in history,
spanning almost 2,000 years.
And he reads that and he's sobaffled they're taking it back.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
So it's hard to define exactly like slaves are
like commonplace.
Like you think these soldierswere like had a pride for their
country, no, they probably wereenslaved into it they probably
did not want to, they were soldto the army.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Yeah, exactly, they were children.
What else?

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
is there again?
What else was there to do?
How else were you going to eat?
You were either going to stealit, which the penalty for
thievery, death.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Or chop your hands off.
Chop your hands off Death.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
The penalty for you?
Go hang out with your cousinsat Christmas time.
Boom, you get the cold and youdie of fever.
You know, like it was justhorrible.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Well, and you probably they would sell their
children.
You know a merchant family orsomething.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Someone was like sorryby you gotta go to war,
we're selling you to the army Ithink if there was a movie based
around the second punic warwith hannibal um, sounds like
there is I almost feel like itwould be more interesting to
tell from the perspective of nothannibal, but from just like a
soldier, you know probably.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
I mean I've.
I mean.
That's why I love 1917 so much.
It's just a guy and it's soriveting to watch him.
He's nobody, he's just a footsoldier and just seeing him go
on his mission.
I was running yeah, forrestGump is in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Well, where can people find us?

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
they can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Spotify, any
major podcast listeningplatform.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Flat.
No, you're rattling that off.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
But you can also come watch us live right now,
although we're ending on YouTube, tuesdays 7 pm, pacific
standard time, where we talkabout a bunch of nonsense.
And you know we started, wewent all over today.
We started with netflix movies,then we went to oppenheimer,

(01:37:03):
the hitman brother ofchristopher nolan, that fucked
us up you know,

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
and then really could use some more structure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
It's very unprofessional.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
I'm not.
My whole life is professional.
I could use some chaos,unstructured chaos.
Please, the worst kind.
I like formalized chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Isn't by definition chaos, unstructured yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
For some unstructured or structured chaos.
You can tune in.
Watch us leave a comment.
Leave aructured.
Yeah, for some unstructured orstructured chaos, you can tune
in.
Watch us leave a comment.
Leave a like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
We'd really appreciate it, that's right baby
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And remember, guys, with a goodKD you get the Double, double,
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