March 27, 2025 • 35 mins
To be or not to be Nice or Kind...THAT is the question. The KC Crew tackle this important (sorta) topic. Of course, we also discuss donuts and bad mustaches. You got this! (Barf) That comment will make sense when you give it a listen.
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Welcome to the KindnessChronicles, where we hope to
inject the world with a dose ofthe Minnesota kindness that it
needs.
Yeah, we've decided thatMinnesota nice.
After you listen to today'sprogram, you'll understand that
Minnesota NICE should bereplaced with Minnesota
Kindness.
Yeah.
Welcome.
We have Steve Brown in thestudio.
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Hey.
Hey.
And we've got our special guest.
Kinda once a month guy MichaelDempsey.
Hey, who?
Hey, thanks for having me back.
Yeah, it's good designatedhitter once kgs not here.
So we uh, you know, we have to.
Ramp up our standards and inviteMichael and to provide a little
bit of intellectual steam towhat we're trying to get
accomplished here.
Yeah.
I'm happy to carry his goaliebag.
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I'm happy.
Me, the pads are stinky.
You imagine the smell.
Oh wow.
Oh God.
That's a smell you can getoutta, I think we've discussed
that in the past.
Yeah.
He's had some stories.
So, Michael, what have you beenup to since we last chatted?
Wow.
Uh, yeah.
Well, I I'm happy to be in theback end of winter, I'll tell
you that much right now.
I mean, I, I think the last timeI was here was probably like.
You know, 15 below zero.
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So it's good to be in the backend of winter.
Um, lots of great stuff.
I mean, lots of kindness outthere.
Uh, I was at a event not toolong ago, uh, for Best Prep.
Are you familiar with Best Prep?
No.
Yeah.
Best Prep, it's been around forabout 25 years.
Uh, a guy that, uh, I, I believehe was a teacher for a while,
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Minnesota guy.
He enlisted.
Some executives from 3M andGeneral Mills, and I think in
the late seventies they starteda program where they would go to
high schools and, um, offer somementorship, some financial
literacy.
Oh, cool.
Um, all of those kind of things.
They had a big, uh, soiree big,their big thing at the, uh,
(02:01):
Minneapolis Convention Centerabout a month ago.
Um, it was great.
It was, it, it's wonderful.
How many people were at theevent?
I'd probably say about 700.
Okay.
Any live music?
It's a big event.
Yeah.
There was live music.
Good.
Johnny Clueless.
It wasn't Johnny.
Just making sure there's livemusic there.
That's good.
Yeah, it was a, it was actuallya, a family, uh, of, of kids.
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I say kids early twenties Ithink.
Oh, jets jet.
No close yet.
I mean, my goodness, those guysare 50 now.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, they were, they were,they were kids and then they
had, uh, PhD from MIT.
Oh, cool.
Talking about, oh, people.
Good for you.
Everybody's favorite subject,ai.
It was really great.
Yep.
So Best Prep was good.
Oh boy.
Wait a second.
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AI.
Didn't we just talk about ai?
You did.
We did.
Yeah.
You did.
Yeah, we did.
We did a deep dive with ai.
I'm a little freaked out.
You guys have covered thelandscape since the Let we bit
of Mardi Gras.
We had a lot to talk about last,last week.
You know, donut hut, you know,high school hockey mustaches.
Yeah.
I mean you guys covered, it waskind of a pope.
It was.
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It was good.
I loved it.
Hey, I'm one of those guys thatlisten every week whether I'm on
or not, believe it or not, uh, Ineed it.
So, you know, you mentioned thatlast week you got comments.
People saying, where's theepisode?
We skipped the week.
Yeah, we skipped the week.
I, I listen and, um, man,there's, there's a, there's some
episodes that are just off.
The charts are good.
There's gold nuggets and I mean,there's some, you know, clunkers
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in there.
There's no doubt about it.
Gotta know what, be kind.
I'm being kind.
I mean, that's do the best wecan, Michael, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I give you both.
I give you both.
Well, so the topic today is thedifference between being kind
and being nice.
And I would say.
That offering constructivefeedback is an example of being
kind.
You could be nice, correct.
And come in and say, God, I loveevery one of your episodes.
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Yeah, it's great.
You guys are great.
You guys are amazing.
Yeah.
That isn't what we need.
What we need is we need morekindness.
I agree.
And being nice is the personthat just is sweet for sweet
sake, you know.
Let's, can we attack this topic?
Let's get into it.
I think that there's a lot intoit.
Let's get nice versus kind.
Very, oh, let me just start bysaying, yeah, I, I found this,
it's a very common topic, but I,I found a, a, a thing on
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LinkedIn from a, an A post fromAtlanta Tart, um, oh yeah, Mrs.
Tart, well, she, she posts a lotof things like this, and so I
wanted give her the credit forthis graphic that I sent you
guys that it said, let's talkabout this.
It's an interesting post, andthen you did a serious deep dive
into it.
Um, and found a lot of greatvideos that, oh, I did.
It's, it's a, it's a reallyfunny, interesting thing.
Speaking of LinkedIn, in thespirit of kindness mm-hmm.
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Do you ever notice that thereare people that post things on
LinkedIn?
They're trying so desperatelyhard to be compelling.
Oh boy.
And it's, and there's a couplethat come to mind.
Oh boy.
And a couple of these peopleseem to be linked to everybody.
So when you get a LinkedInrequest.
Yeah.
And I don't know, there's oneperson in particular, and I'm
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not gonna say out of, in thespirit of.
Of of being kind?
No.
Oh, in the spirit of being nice.
Yeah.
This is a chance where you needto be nice.
Not, I'm not going to say who itis.
If I were kind, I would send hera message and say, you know, I
appreciate your, your interestin the effort that you put into
your LinkedIn posts.
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But it's a little much, and it'severy single day.
Yeah.
And this person always ends itwith.
You got this and I just want tobarf.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
I bet you when we're all done,we're gonna compare and I bet
you guys are, are LinkedIn withthis person as well?
I can't think right now.
It it, it's so self-serving.
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I, I like those LinkedIn postswhere, you know, the, the
headline is, I walked my dogthis morning and he did his
business.
And these are the three things Ilearned by watching.
My dog do his business.
They're finding any way tograsp.
Yeah.
And you're like, uh, really?
You know, I got engagedyesterday in the Grand Canyon
and here's the me think aboutfive ways that it improves my,
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you're like, are you uhhuh?
Are you serious?
Yeah.
It's really great to be kind.
I would say enough already.
Uhhuh, you know, if you did ittwice a week, that'd be fine.
You got this.
Go for it.
So nice and kind.
Definitely gets mixed up in ourvernacular.
Absolutely.
It sure does.
How we think about it.
Yeah.
But when you go deep into it,it's very different.
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Tell us a little about, I spentthree hours today on Nice and
Kind.
I don't often do show prep.
Yeah, true.
In fact, your friend Peckman,who's a listener.
Bob.
Yeah.
Hey Bob.
Bob.
Hey Bob.
This is the guy that talks toomuch apparently, whatever.
Oh wow.
But he admitted that to you.
I know he did.
That was kind.
He was being kind.
He was being kind.
He admitted that to you.
Well, guess he said it.
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Guess what?
I'm gonna be kind and And I'mgoing to offer you an
opportunity to listen some more.
Bob is the driest witted guy in.
Yeah, it was.
You know what?
He gets me'cause he knew that Icould handle that kind of.
Yes, exactly.
Kindness feedback.
That kind of kindness.
Yeah, that's kindness.
Um, so Okay.
Studied this quite a bit.
Yeah.
And people that are nice, youknow, they are sweet people, but
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they're doing it because they'resort of expecting something.
Like, an example would be if yougive up your seat for a girl
that you're interested in.
Mm.
That is nice if you give up yourseat for an elderly woman that
you have no interest in dating,but you're just doing it.
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Because it's the right thing todo.
Mm-hmm.
That is kind.
Holding a door for a personcould be kind.
It could be nice if you're doingit to make yourself feel good.
That's being nice.
Mm-hmm.
If you're doing it to help aperson out, to serve them in
some way with nothing expectedin return, that's being kind,
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it's altruistic, uh, angle onkindness.
Right.
It's sincerely altruistic.
I, I, I, I think you knocked itoutta the park.
I didn't do three hours of prep.
I did read this, that you sentme.
I the one page document that yousent you The one page.
Yeah.
With a, with, with about 12bullets on it.
That's the intention I gave it,but I will say that.
That was the first thing I tookaway from it as well, which is
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when you think about Nice, it's,it's very self, self-serving.
It's very self-serving.
So if you go down the list, it'sclear on the nice side, um,
these are attributes of someonebeing nice.
It's clear that all of thoseattributes, to your point, are
about being self-serving.
I'm doing this for me for somereason, I'm doing this for me.
I'm not really doing it for thegreater good of, you know, those
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around me.
That, that's the biggest, thebiggest takeaway I got.
Let me read a couple.
Yeah.
So our, our audience can kind ofcatch us.
Sure.
Because this is the officialYeah.
Nice people versus kind people.
Nice people focus on being likedkind people focus on earning
trust and respect.
Nice people.
Avoid tough conversations.
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Kind people lean into toughconversations, which what you
were saying, John, right?
So an example just to, to let melean into that particular thing.
Nice people want to promote likesocial harmony.
Yes.
And kind people.
We use this term in masonry.
We should have a ding, ding for,for masonry.
It's, it's what we call we dding, ding, ding.
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I'm gonna, I'll bring that.
Yeah.
Next.
Whispering wise, counsel, whenyou see somebody doing something
that concerns you, you remindthem.
You say something about it, butyou do it in a whisper.
You don't like scream it atthem.
You just say, Hey, you know, youmight wanna think about what
you're posting on Facebookbecause when you post those
political things, it alienateshalf of your quote unquote
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friends.
That's being kind.
I agree.
Being nice is going, oh, I loveeverything you post.
Here's some more.
Um, nice.
People ignore issues to avoidconflict kind.
People address behavior toprotect trust.
Exactly.
Nice people choose comfort overclarity and kind people make
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value-based decisions a afterreading, and there's even more.
But after reading some of these,I was kind of shook because
you're kind of nice.
I assumed I was, I assumed I wasmore on the kind side, but you
know, it, it, it happens to bethat.
I, I thought about it prettydeeply too, and I, I think with
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my family for sure, I'm kindYes.
'cause I am You're willing Itake my job as a dad, as a, as a
husband.
Absolutely.
You know, I, I don't like, evenif it's work,, in more social
stuff.
I, I'm a showman, I'm aperformer.
I'm a band guy.
I wanna be liked, I wanna sellmyself.
Yeah.
Sell my band.
I find that I'm, you know, I'mnice and you're nice and, and to
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go deeply.
Like I told you Michael, right.
We talked earlier.
Uh, I don't like conflict and Ithink that's, that has to do
with my family placement and howI, you know, I made the, my, my
family laugh when things gottense.
I made my mom.
I was the one that could make mymom laugh.
My brothers and sisters would belike.
Get, get in there, go do alittle dance or something.
Make her laugh.
And I would, I could do it.
Put Put on your Elvis.
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Put on your Elvis costume.
Exactly.
Get out there.
I, I had that ability.
So I think I lean on nice.
More than I wanted to.
More than I thought I did.
But again, to be clear, there'snothing wrong with being nice.
I know.
There's nothing wrong to benice.
Exactly.
I think, you know, it's a, Ithink it's a good combination of
things.
I mean, sometimes, yes.
Being nice is, is just, it's theproper thing to do.
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Yes.
There's a time for it, for sure.
And even if it's self-serving,it is being nice.
Absolutely.
conflict avoidance, if yourboss, for example, says
something that you don'tcompletely agree with, but
you're probably not in aposition to challenge them on
that.
Mm-hmm.
It's nice to agree with them.
It's kind to thoughtfully.
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Respond with maybe someconstructive feedback, but
sometimes you just gotta be niceoutta self-preservation.
Yeah, you do.
Well, I, I, I, I mean, anotherexample, I, I, you know, you're
at a dinner party, you'remeeting people for the first
time.
You're nice, right?
I mean, you want it to becomfortable for the people that
are around you.
Absolutely.
Of course, of course.
You're nice.
Uh, that's what you do in thatsort of scenario.
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The one thing about your listthat I would underscore and sort
of put in lights is.
The first one, which isestablishing trust.
Because when you, when youestablish trust, when you're
able to do that, even in a shortperiod of time, you've given
yourself the ability then to bekind, even if it isn't, I'm
agreeing with you, or I'm havingthe tough conversation, or maybe
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I'm critiquing something becauseestablished trust, you know that
it's not coming from a place ofI'm competing with you and
trying to tear you down.
Yeah.
And so I, I, I, I think it beingat the top of the list.
Building trust is not a mistakeon that because you need that
and if you have that, you havethe ability to to then be kind
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for sure.
And I do think that it's, youalmost need to earn the right,
in many cases, especially inbusiness scenarios, yes, you
have to earn the right to bekind.
You know, when you're firstgetting to know a colleague,
it's natural that you're goingto be, yeah, that you're gonna
be nice.
It would be kind of rude toprovide constructive feedback
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when you're first getting toknow somebody.
Yeah.
Who the hell is this guy goingin?
Right.
That's exactly right.
But you know, after you knowthem for a while and they used
the word across, like whensomebody says, I'd walked
across.
Yeah.
That must drive you crazy.
Oh God.
It dri you know, the,regardless.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, regardless.
Irregardless is the word thatjust, you know, or especially, I
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gotta reach a book.
I gotta get all these.
What?
You haven't read the book?
Wow.
I don't.
I haven't seen one.
I wanna sign copy.
We'll have to get you one.
Yes, I know what you're saying.
You can't just.
Start in and make a cheese thefirst time you're with them.
You could go crossed really, butif you know them, you could go,
you know?
Well, and that's when youordered that coffee.
It's not espresso.
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There is no X in that word.
That's kind of the gift that youhave too, I would say.
In this list and in kind of theresearch, would you say that
this is what I think you have tohave an altru being kind.
You have to have an altruisticangle.
Uh, you're not trying to, you'renot self preserving yourself.
You actually care and you'reactually gonna give your time
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and effort into someone.
Yep.
And also this is kind of whereyou, where you come in, you
actually have to have a littlebit of boldness and I think
sometimes.
I will have all the altruisticideal, but I don't have the
boldness to jump in and just, Idon't wanna look like who, who
do I think I am jumping in andlike, yes, helping this person.
Maybe they don't wanna behelped.
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That requires a step andsometimes I, I've, I've caught
myself sometimes going.
Why didn't I just do that?
What, what was I, it wasn't thatI didn't want to, it was like I,
I would've felt dumb.
Or what if I would've offendedthat person for helping'em, or,
yes.
That, that's where I landsometimes.
I'm like, who cares?
Just be bold and do it, and I,and I've been socially with you
out places.
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Yeah.
I see.
You are a guy.
You are a guy that if you seesomeone you know, you will just
go and talk to them.
Yeah.
Most people, that's, that's notnormal, John.
Um, that's who you are.
Most people go, oh, I think Iknow that guy.
John will walk up and go, Hey,hey, don't we know each other?
Did you go to, you know, St.
Jude's?
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Well, and part of it is, is, youknow, I think that people
appreciate being acknowledgedYes.
Instead of ignored.
True.
But I want to go back to your, II, I thought of something.
It has to do with mustaches.
Oh, okay man.
We're gonna be back on mustachesor hockey.
One of No, just the badmustaches.
Go ahead.
Just I was out with my family onSt.
Patrick's Day, and I think I mayhave mentioned this on a
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previous podcast, but there wasa young man who I knew I.
Who went to high school with mytwo boys and he had just a
terrible mustache.
Yeah.
Now I could have been nice.
Oh, no, no, but I felt like Iknew him because you knew him.
I, I knew him, but I don't knowhim well.
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Okay.
But I went up to him and I said,the mustache isn't working.
I'm like, you are a good lookingguy without the mustache.
Here's the question, Sean.
Yep.
Who heard that?
Several people.
Okay.
Was it a table full of people?
It wasn't whispered, that's forsure.
Was it, was it people that heknows that he knew?
Oh yeah.
Okay.
And they didn't know me and theythought, okay, okay, who's this
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prick?
Okay.
Okay.
But he got it and he goes, Hey,I'm trying, I'm working on this
thing.
I said, okay, we'll let you keeptrying.
No, keep.
No, no.
But I mean, maybe it hadn'tfully formed.
Yeah.
Like it was in the very earlystages.
Like, you know, you're a guythat can wear facial hair.
I am not, but I, it's, I, I lovethis story only because I've
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done the exact same thing asJohn, my, my nephews.
You know, they'll, they'll walkin.
I'm like you, but you know them,right?
I do, I do.
But their friends might be withthem, right?
Because they, they live in thesame, that makes it fun.
So there's a little bit of youguys trying to get a good rise
out.
I'm trying to be the funny guy,but you're, but you're like,
you.
No, what are you, I mean, whatare you doing?
And so now it's a bit, so nowthey know, right?
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Yeah.
And so you're that guy.
And so when they bring theirfriends around who have one of
those, my, Hey Uncle Mike, whatdo you think of Bill here?
And I, they just know because.
There's only two mustaches thatare worthy.
Tom Sellek Mustache.
Sure.
And, uh, Gar.
Who's Garr?
He was in a movie.
He was in Mask.
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He, uh, he's in the, um, oh, uh,absolutely.
The insurance commercials.
He does the Sam.
Sam.
Sam Elliot.
Sam.
Elliot.
Sam.
Elliot.
Elliot, Elliot.
Those are the two mustaches.
That's it.
You are allowed to have amustache.
Tom, Tom Sellek, Sam Elliott andSam Elliott.
You you.
There you go.
If you, it's kind of part of hissound.
His look.
Everything.
If you don't have that nomustache, the guy who plays Ron
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Swanson don't have a mustache.
Okay.
All right.
But the other thing aboutmustaches, wow.
We're still in mustache.
Yeah, we're still in mustaches.
I wanna get back to some,they're so, they're so
intentional.
You know like when you see amanly man that's got a mustache
and beard and they just let itgo, it's like, damn, that's a
man.
Right?
Then you see somebody with areal manicured mustache and it's
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like super specific.
It's just so trite.
Intentional.
Yes.
So they're trying too hard whenthey say, Hey, what do you think
of my mustache to be kind?
I would say, I don't like it.
I think that you look betterwithout it.
I would say I would.
I would would say, I would say,where is it?
I'd say, oh, that's what thatis.
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What was that?
So kindness.
Okay.
Being kind and truthful andhonest.
And you're caring about thatperson, right?
Means you know them or you, uh,have a connection with them.
Because if you try, if you tryto be funny.
And you're going for a joke.
Um, and it fails.
It's bad, bad, bad, and you looklike a jerk, right?
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So that's why you choose, you,you're on that teeter,
teeter-totter of kind versusnice.
You, you choose.
Well, and and part of it is, isyou have to choose it.
It it's never out of a place ofmeanness.
Correct.
It's never like, I'm never goingto Yeah, yeah.
You know, if somebody shows upand they've been trying to lose
weight.
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And they're like, Hey, what doyou think of my weight loss?
Yeah.
Oh man, that's great.
Put yourself out there.
Great.
Congratulations.
Because their weight loss is, ifthey feel good about it, I'm
gonna be supportive.
Correct.
That's what matters most.
Right.
That's, but if, uh, I'm, I havetrouble sometimes keeping my.
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Thoughts to myself.
Well, you're, you're kinda awise guy, but I think people,
when people know you, you, youknow, you're say funny things
because you're, it, it is alittle bit outta love, a little
bit of care and funny, you'retrying to be funny, you're
trying to get a laugh selfishly,but you also.
Do it because that's yourcharacter.
That's who you are, and you knowthe people around.
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You know, you, you know, one ofmy favorite things is when we
talk about me.
I know.
That's fantastic.
More let's go.
Yeah, I, I do.
It's interesting that we got tomustaches in, into nice and
kind.
It's appropriate though, becauseI'll go back to my nephews and
do the same thing.
Sure.
But, but here's the sort ofnugget in the middle there.
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The nugget in the middle is.
You're going out now looking forjobs, right?
You're in your early to midtwenties.
You're trying to do business outin the marketplace.
Recognize how people are seeingthat, right?
Your peers may be seeing it as.
Oh, you're trying that.
Me too.
Look at all of us trying thismustache.
Yeah.
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But when you are November tryingto do business with Right.
Do it in November.
Not, uh, don't be testing thewise.
Right.
You have an excuse, stupid.
Recognize that people are maybeseeing that and go, oh, uh, are
you 17 and you're just, youknow, growing something for the,
that's the nugget there.
Right?
That's the kind.
'cause there is an element ofthat.
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Mm-hmm.
There is an element of.
Oh, you're, you're gonna, you'rewearing that, right?
I mean, um, or you really, youneed to swear, uh, nonstop, you
know, and string those wordstogether.
There's an element of kind whenyou come back, as John does, and
I do this as well, and make somefunny comment about, well, are
you a drunk sailor?
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What's your deal?
Right.
Right.
Like, oh, somebody learned howto swear.
Right.
And what you're saying, theundertone, the kindness here is.
Hey, man, you're smarter thanthat.
I mean, there, there's, okay,time to swear and throw those
words down.
That'll make your mom blush.
But this isn't what you can dobetter.
You can do better.
So let me ask you this.
Um, our wives don't listen tothis show.
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Does your wife listen to thisshow?
Uh, not really.
No.
Probably not.
So if your wife comes out withan outfit and says, how do I
look in this?
What's your response?
Um, are you always kind.
Or sometimes are you nice?
I'll, I'll say this, I'll baseit upon how much time we have to
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get to where we gotta go.
Oh wow.
That's very good.
So there is, that's good caveatsometimes because that's part of
the equation.
Because if I say I like it and Isay it too fast, she knows I'm
getting, I wanna get going.
So she'll go, oh no, you didn'teven right.
You didn't even, so I lost youlocked.
So I lost.
So, um, it's a, it's a trappythe way you're screwed.
You might as well stay out ofthere.
Don't go upstairs.
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Just be downstairs ready to go.
Right.
Um.
But, but I, I, I will, I'll leadher and I'll say what I, I'll
show her what I really think,and honestly, that's what she
ends up going back to.
She'll change eight more times.
Yeah.
She knows what looks best onher.
Have you ever answered need meto tell her?
Have you ever answered?
It's fine.
Let me tell you, this is bad.
That isn't tricky, tricky audit.
That isn't bad, right?
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It's, it's what?
It's re choice.
It doesn't matter what I saybecause my eyes dece.
My eyes are what tells thetruth.
It doesn't matter.
Oh, she can tell what?
Oh my gosh.
No matter what comes outta mymouth, my body language, in my
eyes, that doesn't, doesn'tmatter.
The words I use doesn't.
So nicer kind.
Why did they ask us that then?
Yeah.
Well, oh, that's a differentshow.
(23:05):
You what?
That's a different show.
How are we on this?
That's not very kind.
Yeah.
To put us in a position.
To have to be, right.
Yes.
It's their fault.
That's, man, we finally gotthere.
Generally speaking.
Yeah.
What?
What about your fault?
It's their fault.
Yeah.
What about you?
What do you say?
I, you know, I've been marriedalmost 30 years now.
Yeah, me too.
And me too.
(23:26):
There are times, yeah.
How long you been married?
30 years.
Oh man.
September, last September.
32,000.
You got married in 2000?
Yeah, so 25, but we've beendating, I was in 96.
We've been dating since then.
I was in 94, dating since 94.
Okay.
So yes, we've been together justas long.
Yeah.
I was dating in nine.
We don't need to get, it doesn'tmatter.
About 30 years.
A long time.
(23:46):
Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
Um.
If, if she's wearing somethingthat just, you know, I'll tell
her.
I'm like, eh, I don't think so.
Yeah.
I sometimes, I think thatsometimes.
But now when you're there,right, it's, it's before she
leaves, right?
No, it's before.
Yeah.
You're at the event.
God, I didn't wanna say.
Or you're about to walk out andyou say you wearing that.
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No, it's, it's usually, like yousaid, when there's plenty of
time.
Yes.
When there's plenty of time.
Right.
And I just, I if I think thatwhen she looks at herself in
pictures, she's gonna go.
Why didn't you say something?
Right.
So you're right, we're screwedeither way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So being nice or being kind, Ithink that when it comes to
marriage, generally speaking, weas men are just better off
(24:30):
always being nice.
Keep always, always, always benice.
I agree.
Yeah.
But when it comes to kids andstuff, especially, oh, you gotta
be kind.
You gotta give them, you gottagive'em what they need, not just
what they want to hear.
Like you gotta give it to'em.
Can I tell you one thing thatirritates me?
Yeah.
Is when somebody says that theirkid.
Is their best friend.
Oh, no.
You know what?
Yeah.
(24:50):
I am not the best friend withmy, any of my kids.
I love my children, but maybeonce they're adults in your,
when they're, you know, maybesiblings.
No, I mean, I, I, I'm, I, I lovespending time with them, but my
job is not to be a friend.
Absolute to the kids.
I'll use my son Ben.
Ben is an example.
Yeah.
Ben has fabulous hair, butsometimes he lets it go too far.
(25:11):
Uhhuh.
And I, I finally said to himlast week, I'm like, I really
can't even look at you anymore.
Just please, please, please, geta haircut.
He got a haircut.
He looked so good.
It mean he's a handsome ladsharp young man.
Well, and it's like sometimeswhen the kids are younger
though, when you do that, I knowthey go against you when you
know, when they know you don'tlike it, that's when they get
(25:32):
crazy stuff with it.
You guys train my kids andteenagers better than that.
I, I, younger kids, I, I'll sayon the, on the kid front,'cause
I agree with you.
I friend.
No, I mean, I'm the parent, butI, you're constantly going back
and forth between holding yourkid accountable.
Right.
I'm gonna hold you accountable.
That might be like, get yourgrades up, like, you know, do
(25:55):
the things you say you're gonnado right.
I'm gonna hold you kind of, andthat's nice, right?
I mean, no, no, that's kind.
No, that's kind.
That's kind.
And then, and then jumping toman, you know, they're, they're
going through it and you'retheir biggest cheerleader, like
you got, then you got this, youknow, you go back to the, you
got this, like, look at all thegreat things you're doing and
you propped them up.
You're always going between.
(26:16):
Holding accountable and beingthe greatest cheerleader.
Yeah.
And you got, you just, youbalance that every day.
It's, it's a bit like the hair.
Hey man, you need to, you needto tighten that up.
When he tightened it up, itwasn't like you didn't
acknowledge it, I'm sure youwere like, oh, I was doing, oh
wow.
That's, that's ama You look sogreat you again.
Perfect example.
(26:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nice and kind brother.
Yeah.
Nice and kind brother.
I think, uh, what did you, whatelse did you learn from some of
the other stuff that you saw?
'cause, um.
You some.
Well, there were some people, Imean, there were some people on
there that, uh, that really gotinto sort of the religious
aspect.
Mm-hmm.
And it was actually, it, it,here's an example.
Know, the concept of turning theother cheek.
(26:59):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Turning the other cheek isbeing, what do you think?
turning the other cheek.
It's being nice.
It is being nice.
Yeah.
'cause you're avoiding conflict.
You're avoiding conflict.
That's exactly right.
but you can't let people runover you.
Right, right.
Turning the other cheek is, isbeing nice.
Responding to them in a fair,decent way.
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Set'em straight.
Just being kind.
Well, we straight you, I mean,you've talked about this on the
show.
We've talked about this on theshow so many times, being
respectful.
Right?
Just being respectful.
Not, not sort of flying off thehandle, not being angry, not
assuming Ill intent.
Right.
Right.
Being respectful.
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The turning the other cheek is,I'm not gonna jump down your
throat.
When you just threw an insult atme.
But I'm not gonna, you know,keel over either.
I'm gonna be, I'm gonna comeback to you, but it's gonna be
in a respectful way and you'regonna, it's gonna be clear to
you that that's unacceptableaccording to my, yeah.
So according to my chart, nice.
People suppress emotions toappear calm, ah, and kind.
(28:05):
People stay present withemotion.
Yes.
But not ruled by it.
Correct.
Wow.
So you're actually That is agood one.
Yeah.
You're, you're actually, you'renot, you're not suppressing.
You shouldn't suppress anyemotions.
You should actually live withthem and have those emotions.
Just don't be totally ruled byit.
If you took that one accordingmy chart, one, one step further,
then you're inviting that otherperson, cooler heads prevail to
(28:29):
now.
Okay.
Now come back, like, now let'shave a conversation.
Yeah.
Right Now you, you, you went offthe handle.
Right.
Maybe you're.
They're angry, but who knowswhat the background is.
But they get really angry andthey come at you.
They lash out at you, you thataccording to that chart being
nice is just going, oh, that'sokay.
(28:50):
I.
Being kind is okay.
You lashed out at me.
I heard you.
I'm not gonna lash out at you,but I'm gonna make it clear
that's not acceptable.
Boom.
And we're gonna engage in thisconversation, and now I want you
to engage in it, right?
I'm not forcing you to listen tome, that that's the next step.
So you hold your emotions incheck.
(29:12):
You don't get railroaded.
You say that's not acceptable.
You engage in a productiveconversation and then you invite
them to to that as well.
You know, we as parents, youknow, we, my wife and I laugh
about good cop, bad cop.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
You know I You did that all thetime.
I am the good cop.
No, Becky.
No, no.
Just hear me out.
I am the good cop.
Becky is the bad cop.
(29:33):
And, and do you I don't believethat.
No.
I, I, I am the, you know whenfor Sam, you go, Hey, listen,
your mom's really mad.
Correct?
Yes.
We blame her.
You better.
Hey, let's take care of this.
Your moms come in here in aminute, get a rake, get out and
rank the yard.
I mean, she yard.
I, I wanna finish this on a veryserious note, okay?
Okay.
So serious today.
(29:53):
Well, and here's an example.
If somebody in your life has aproblem with alcohol.
Sure.
there are people that haveproblems with alcohol, to not
address it, to just let ithappen and not say something out
of a place of concern, out of aplace of love.
Correct.
Is enabling them and being anenabler.
(30:14):
It's probably nice, but it isnot kind.
It's where you gotta be bold.
It's, you have to be a littlebold the way that tough man you
approach it is, is just to say,Hey, I love you.
And I've just noticed somethingthat gives me concern and I'm
wondering if it's something thatyou feel yourself.
I mean, it's coming, it's beingempathetic, but it's being
honest and and true to people.
(30:34):
And if you don't, you're just asculpable.
Absolutely.
You just as culpable.
Hundred percent.
If you don't take theopportunity in a respectful way
to say, this is coming from aplace of love.
We, we, we gotta talk aboutthis.
You're just as scopable.
Yep.
I agree.
50 pounds ago when I was 50pounds heavier, and I'm not
kidding.
My wife.
Out of a place of kindness islike, you gotta do something
(30:55):
about this really?
Seriously.
Wow.
The donut hut.
You can't go there four times aweek.
What?
No.
This was Pred donut hut.
I, uh, four times a week thedonut hut.
I could do it.
I could do it.
So we got to donuts.
Yeah.
If we talked today, mustachesabout Hill Marie at all.
Oh, your brother Dan went to mybrother Dan says hi to you
today.
Yeah.
Class 86.
(31:16):
Lunch with him his birthday thisweekend.
Happy birthday Dan.
Hey, my birthday's tomorrow.
That.
What?
Yes.
Oh geez.
Happy birthday to, I forgotyou're to Mark Cat too.
Wow.
Happy birthday, John.
Thank you.
Thank you.
65 years old.
That's great.
65.
Don't look at day over 62.
That's a special trip to DonutHut tomorrow.
It's a Thursday, not a Tuesday.
I'm, I'm gonna take my A a RPcard in there.
Does this help?
(31:37):
Well, no, you're not 65.
No, not quite.
You're in your sixties though.
I'm way younger than KG kgs.
No, you're not in your sixties.
Yeah.
K G's grandson came home.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's great.
Little Leo.
Kenneth.
That's awesome.
Very exciting.
Oh, that is exciting.
He's a little soccer.
Did you see the pictures?
I did not.
I'll I'll show you some pictureswhen we're all done here.
Hey, you've given'em 35 minutes.
Well, I, I actually, I more thanthey deserve.
(31:58):
I'm kind of proud.
We stuck on, we stuck on taskand I really appreciate this.
We went to mustaches.
I really appreciate thisconversation.
I think it's a, it's such a, um.
A great thing for our listenersto think through.
Absolutely.
Talk through as a leader, as afather, as a husband, as a, you
know.
Yeah.
This might be the first episodewhere we gave people actually
something to seriouslycontemplate.
(32:19):
I know that's a good topic.
I think that's why, you know,self reflection, we could
probably keep going to that.
Let's find some other goodtopics.
Shoot us any topics you guyshave.
Uh, through our Facebook page.
Uh, practice Oxytocin Sunday andtell us anything.
No, no.
It's oxytocin.
Oxytocin Sunday.
Sorry.
I'm, I'm thinking about, uh,yeah, I wanna make sure we get
this across to give us somefeedback across, across, across.
(32:40):
Come across, across, uh, we wantsome feedback.
Let us know how you, how we'redoing.
And what's your experiences withany of these topics.
My brother-in-law, Chad.
Sent me a text today and hegoes, this guy that's doing my
training has said across severaltimes.
I'm like, how well do you knowhim?
I don't know him at all.
I go, be nice and just let itgo.
If you knew him, be kind and goup and say, there's no T at the
(33:03):
end of that word.
Right, right, right.
Here's another one.
Oh boy.
When people mess up thedifference between cavalry and
calvary.
Oh, um, you know, what do youget, get those involved.
Exactly.
I don't think I've ever been ina, are you kidding, situa?
No.
Why?
Why would someone call, saythose two words to me, calling
in the calvary?
You, I've heard people say, ohyeah, call in the Calvary.
(33:26):
Calvary is the place where Jesuswas crucified.
Correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're right.
You, but people say, call in thecalvary.
I heard it on, on.
TV the other day.
Oh my goodness.
I've never, I've, I've, I'venever heard that.
Somebody needs to be kind.
I'll that person and go, yougotta get to church.
Oh.
All right.
Anything else?
No, I think, uh, this is great.
(33:47):
All right.
Uh, well wait a second.
Wait a second.
One more thing Before, beforeyou sign off, I mean, we go, do
you, do you wanna put the PSAout there for this amazing event
that you have coming up in May?
Thank you.
Yes.
Yeah.
What, your birthday May 21st Nono's tomorrow.
Oh, that's tomorrows, that'stomorrow, right.
It's, well, actually, I'llprobably be posting this on my
birthday.
Happy birthday to me.
(34:07):
Wow.
Thank you.
Um, yes.
Uh, May 21st.
Good.
We have a very, uh, big event atthe Masonic Heritage Center.
11.
Four 11 Masonic Home Drive.
Four 11.
Uh, 11.
Four 11.
Okay.
1, 1 4.
1 1 11 4 11, Wilmington,Minnesota.
5, 5, 4, 3 7.
Anyway, we have this, uh.
Special Night.
We're doing our live, podcast.
(34:28):
We'll be recording it live.
Yeah.
We're gonna be recording it liveand we're going to be
celebrating, uh, some selflessscholars as well as a bunch of
other academic achievers.
Their parents will be there.
It should be a full house.
So we're gonna do this on stagein front of people?
On stage, yes.
Wow.
It's gonna be fantastic.
I hope it's, I hope it'sinteresting, but, but what I
love about it is the purpose isreally to hold up these selfless
scholars, right.
(34:48):
We're, we're just.
We're just the, the, the podcastis just the kindness crew is
just elevating that.
We're using that stage toelevate that.
That's amazing.
That's great.
So May 21st.
21st.
Wonderful.
Five 30 I.
Masonic Heritage Center i'sauditorium.
454 seats be there.
Jewelbox Theater.
Wow.
It's beautiful.
What, uh, well they'll, you'regonna post something on it
(35:10):
tomorrow on Facebook.
Where would there be somedetails?
I don't, I'm not participatingin that stuff.
Okay.
Someone else is gonna do that.
We'll get that post, but yeah.
Okay.
It's, it's free.
Wonderful.
Come and join us and, uh, withthat, off we go.
Welcome to the KindnessChronicles, where we hope to
inject the world with a dose ofthe Minnesota kindness that it
needs.
Yeah, we've decided thatMinnesota nice.
After you listen to today'sprogram, you'll understand that
Minnesota NICE should bereplaced with Minnesota
Kindness.
Yeah.
Welcome.
We have Steve Brown in thestudio.
(00:38):
Hey.
Hey.
And we've got our special guest.
Kinda once a month guy MichaelDempsey.
Hey, who?
Hey, thanks for having me back.
Yeah, it's good designatedhitter once kgs not here.
So we uh, you know, we have to.
Ramp up our standards and inviteMichael and to provide a little
bit of intellectual steam towhat we're trying to get
accomplished here.
Yeah.
I'm happy to carry his goaliebag.
(01:00):
I'm happy.
Me, the pads are stinky.
You imagine the smell.
Oh wow.
Oh God.
That's a smell you can getoutta, I think we've discussed
that in the past.
Yeah.
He's had some stories.
So, Michael, what have you beenup to since we last chatted?
Wow.
Uh, yeah.
Well, I I'm happy to be in theback end of winter, I'll tell
you that much right now.
I mean, I, I think the last timeI was here was probably like.
You know, 15 below zero.
(01:20):
So it's good to be in the backend of winter.
Um, lots of great stuff.
I mean, lots of kindness outthere.
Uh, I was at a event not toolong ago, uh, for Best Prep.
Are you familiar with Best Prep?
No.
Yeah.
Best Prep, it's been around forabout 25 years.
Uh, a guy that, uh, I, I believehe was a teacher for a while,
(01:41):
Minnesota guy.
He enlisted.
Some executives from 3M andGeneral Mills, and I think in
the late seventies they starteda program where they would go to
high schools and, um, offer somementorship, some financial
literacy.
Oh, cool.
Um, all of those kind of things.
They had a big, uh, soiree big,their big thing at the, uh,
(02:01):
Minneapolis Convention Centerabout a month ago.
Um, it was great.
It was, it, it's wonderful.
How many people were at theevent?
I'd probably say about 700.
Okay.
Any live music?
It's a big event.
Yeah.
There was live music.
Good.
Johnny Clueless.
It wasn't Johnny.
Just making sure there's livemusic there.
That's good.
Yeah, it was a, it was actuallya, a family, uh, of, of kids.
(02:22):
I say kids early twenties Ithink.
Oh, jets jet.
No close yet.
I mean, my goodness, those guysare 50 now.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, they were, they were,they were kids and then they
had, uh, PhD from MIT.
Oh, cool.
Talking about, oh, people.
Good for you.
Everybody's favorite subject,ai.
It was really great.
Yep.
So Best Prep was good.
Oh boy.
Wait a second.
(02:43):
AI.
Didn't we just talk about ai?
You did.
We did.
Yeah.
You did.
Yeah, we did.
We did a deep dive with ai.
I'm a little freaked out.
You guys have covered thelandscape since the Let we bit
of Mardi Gras.
We had a lot to talk about last,last week.
You know, donut hut, you know,high school hockey mustaches.
Yeah.
I mean you guys covered, it waskind of a pope.
It was.
(03:03):
It was good.
I loved it.
Hey, I'm one of those guys thatlisten every week whether I'm on
or not, believe it or not, uh, Ineed it.
So, you know, you mentioned thatlast week you got comments.
People saying, where's theepisode?
We skipped the week.
Yeah, we skipped the week.
I, I listen and, um, man,there's, there's a, there's some
episodes that are just off.
The charts are good.
There's gold nuggets and I mean,there's some, you know, clunkers
(03:26):
in there.
There's no doubt about it.
Gotta know what, be kind.
I'm being kind.
I mean, that's do the best wecan, Michael, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I give you both.
I give you both.
Well, so the topic today is thedifference between being kind
and being nice.
And I would say.
That offering constructivefeedback is an example of being
kind.
You could be nice, correct.
And come in and say, God, I loveevery one of your episodes.
(03:48):
Yeah, it's great.
You guys are great.
You guys are amazing.
Yeah.
That isn't what we need.
What we need is we need morekindness.
I agree.
And being nice is the personthat just is sweet for sweet
sake, you know.
Let's, can we attack this topic?
Let's get into it.
I think that there's a lot intoit.
Let's get nice versus kind.
Very, oh, let me just start bysaying, yeah, I, I found this,
it's a very common topic, but I,I found a, a, a thing on
(04:11):
LinkedIn from a, an A post fromAtlanta Tart, um, oh yeah, Mrs.
Tart, well, she, she posts a lotof things like this, and so I
wanted give her the credit forthis graphic that I sent you
guys that it said, let's talkabout this.
It's an interesting post, andthen you did a serious deep dive
into it.
Um, and found a lot of greatvideos that, oh, I did.
It's, it's a, it's a reallyfunny, interesting thing.
Speaking of LinkedIn, in thespirit of kindness mm-hmm.
(04:33):
Do you ever notice that thereare people that post things on
LinkedIn?
They're trying so desperatelyhard to be compelling.
Oh boy.
And it's, and there's a couplethat come to mind.
Oh boy.
And a couple of these peopleseem to be linked to everybody.
So when you get a LinkedInrequest.
Yeah.
And I don't know, there's oneperson in particular, and I'm
(04:54):
not gonna say out of, in thespirit of.
Of of being kind?
No.
Oh, in the spirit of being nice.
Yeah.
This is a chance where you needto be nice.
Not, I'm not going to say who itis.
If I were kind, I would send hera message and say, you know, I
appreciate your, your interestin the effort that you put into
your LinkedIn posts.
(05:14):
But it's a little much, and it'severy single day.
Yeah.
And this person always ends itwith.
You got this and I just want tobarf.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
I bet you when we're all done,we're gonna compare and I bet
you guys are, are LinkedIn withthis person as well?
I can't think right now.
It it, it's so self-serving.
(05:35):
I, I like those LinkedIn postswhere, you know, the, the
headline is, I walked my dogthis morning and he did his
business.
And these are the three things Ilearned by watching.
My dog do his business.
They're finding any way tograsp.
Yeah.
And you're like, uh, really?
You know, I got engagedyesterday in the Grand Canyon
and here's the me think aboutfive ways that it improves my,
(05:56):
you're like, are you uhhuh?
Are you serious?
Yeah.
It's really great to be kind.
I would say enough already.
Uhhuh, you know, if you did ittwice a week, that'd be fine.
You got this.
Go for it.
So nice and kind.
Definitely gets mixed up in ourvernacular.
Absolutely.
It sure does.
How we think about it.
Yeah.
But when you go deep into it,it's very different.
(06:16):
Tell us a little about, I spentthree hours today on Nice and
Kind.
I don't often do show prep.
Yeah, true.
In fact, your friend Peckman,who's a listener.
Bob.
Yeah.
Hey Bob.
Bob.
Hey Bob.
This is the guy that talks toomuch apparently, whatever.
Oh wow.
But he admitted that to you.
I know he did.
That was kind.
He was being kind.
He was being kind.
He admitted that to you.
Well, guess he said it.
(06:37):
Guess what?
I'm gonna be kind and And I'mgoing to offer you an
opportunity to listen some more.
Bob is the driest witted guy in.
Yeah, it was.
You know what?
He gets me'cause he knew that Icould handle that kind of.
Yes, exactly.
Kindness feedback.
That kind of kindness.
Yeah, that's kindness.
Um, so Okay.
Studied this quite a bit.
Yeah.
And people that are nice, youknow, they are sweet people, but
(07:01):
they're doing it because they'resort of expecting something.
Like, an example would be if yougive up your seat for a girl
that you're interested in.
Mm.
That is nice if you give up yourseat for an elderly woman that
you have no interest in dating,but you're just doing it.
(07:21):
Because it's the right thing todo.
Mm-hmm.
That is kind.
Holding a door for a personcould be kind.
It could be nice if you're doingit to make yourself feel good.
That's being nice.
Mm-hmm.
If you're doing it to help aperson out, to serve them in
some way with nothing expectedin return, that's being kind,
(07:42):
it's altruistic, uh, angle onkindness.
Right.
It's sincerely altruistic.
I, I, I, I think you knocked itoutta the park.
I didn't do three hours of prep.
I did read this, that you sentme.
I the one page document that yousent you The one page.
Yeah.
With a, with, with about 12bullets on it.
That's the intention I gave it,but I will say that.
That was the first thing I tookaway from it as well, which is
(08:03):
when you think about Nice, it's,it's very self, self-serving.
It's very self-serving.
So if you go down the list, it'sclear on the nice side, um,
these are attributes of someonebeing nice.
It's clear that all of thoseattributes, to your point, are
about being self-serving.
I'm doing this for me for somereason, I'm doing this for me.
I'm not really doing it for thegreater good of, you know, those
(08:26):
around me.
That, that's the biggest, thebiggest takeaway I got.
Let me read a couple.
Yeah.
So our, our audience can kind ofcatch us.
Sure.
Because this is the officialYeah.
Nice people versus kind people.
Nice people focus on being likedkind people focus on earning
trust and respect.
Nice people.
Avoid tough conversations.
(08:47):
Kind people lean into toughconversations, which what you
were saying, John, right?
So an example just to, to let melean into that particular thing.
Nice people want to promote likesocial harmony.
Yes.
And kind people.
We use this term in masonry.
We should have a ding, ding for,for masonry.
It's, it's what we call we dding, ding, ding.
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I'm gonna, I'll bring that.
Yeah.
Next.
Whispering wise, counsel, whenyou see somebody doing something
that concerns you, you remindthem.
You say something about it, butyou do it in a whisper.
You don't like scream it atthem.
You just say, Hey, you know, youmight wanna think about what
you're posting on Facebookbecause when you post those
political things, it alienateshalf of your quote unquote
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friends.
That's being kind.
I agree.
Being nice is going, oh, I loveeverything you post.
Here's some more.
Um, nice.
People ignore issues to avoidconflict kind.
People address behavior toprotect trust.
Exactly.
Nice people choose comfort overclarity and kind people make
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value-based decisions a afterreading, and there's even more.
But after reading some of these,I was kind of shook because
you're kind of nice.
I assumed I was, I assumed I wasmore on the kind side, but you
know, it, it, it happens to bethat.
I, I thought about it prettydeeply too, and I, I think with
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my family for sure, I'm kindYes.
'cause I am You're willing Itake my job as a dad, as a, as a
husband.
Absolutely.
You know, I, I don't like, evenif it's work,, in more social
stuff.
I, I'm a showman, I'm aperformer.
I'm a band guy.
I wanna be liked, I wanna sellmyself.
Yeah.
Sell my band.
I find that I'm, you know, I'mnice and you're nice and, and to
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go deeply.
Like I told you Michael, right.
We talked earlier.
Uh, I don't like conflict and Ithink that's, that has to do
with my family placement and howI, you know, I made the, my, my
family laugh when things gottense.
I made my mom.
I was the one that could make mymom laugh.
My brothers and sisters would belike.
Get, get in there, go do alittle dance or something.
Make her laugh.
And I would, I could do it.
Put Put on your Elvis.
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Put on your Elvis costume.
Exactly.
Get out there.
I, I had that ability.
So I think I lean on nice.
More than I wanted to.
More than I thought I did.
But again, to be clear, there'snothing wrong with being nice.
I know.
There's nothing wrong to benice.
Exactly.
I think, you know, it's a, Ithink it's a good combination of
things.
I mean, sometimes, yes.
Being nice is, is just, it's theproper thing to do.
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Yes.
There's a time for it, for sure.
And even if it's self-serving,it is being nice.
Absolutely.
conflict avoidance, if yourboss, for example, says
something that you don'tcompletely agree with, but
you're probably not in aposition to challenge them on
that.
Mm-hmm.
It's nice to agree with them.
It's kind to thoughtfully.
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Respond with maybe someconstructive feedback, but
sometimes you just gotta be niceoutta self-preservation.
Yeah, you do.
Well, I, I, I, I mean, anotherexample, I, I, you know, you're
at a dinner party, you'remeeting people for the first
time.
You're nice, right?
I mean, you want it to becomfortable for the people that
are around you.
Absolutely.
Of course, of course.
You're nice.
Uh, that's what you do in thatsort of scenario.
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The one thing about your listthat I would underscore and sort
of put in lights is.
The first one, which isestablishing trust.
Because when you, when youestablish trust, when you're
able to do that, even in a shortperiod of time, you've given
yourself the ability then to bekind, even if it isn't, I'm
agreeing with you, or I'm havingthe tough conversation, or maybe
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I'm critiquing something becauseestablished trust, you know that
it's not coming from a place ofI'm competing with you and
trying to tear you down.
Yeah.
And so I, I, I, I think it beingat the top of the list.
Building trust is not a mistakeon that because you need that
and if you have that, you havethe ability to to then be kind
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for sure.
And I do think that it's, youalmost need to earn the right,
in many cases, especially inbusiness scenarios, yes, you
have to earn the right to bekind.
You know, when you're firstgetting to know a colleague,
it's natural that you're goingto be, yeah, that you're gonna
be nice.
It would be kind of rude toprovide constructive feedback
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when you're first getting toknow somebody.
Yeah.
Who the hell is this guy goingin?
Right.
That's exactly right.
But you know, after you knowthem for a while and they used
the word across, like whensomebody says, I'd walked
across.
Yeah.
That must drive you crazy.
Oh God.
It dri you know, the,regardless.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, regardless.
Irregardless is the word thatjust, you know, or especially, I
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gotta reach a book.
I gotta get all these.
What?
You haven't read the book?
Wow.
I don't.
I haven't seen one.
I wanna sign copy.
We'll have to get you one.
Yes, I know what you're saying.
You can't just.
Start in and make a cheese thefirst time you're with them.
You could go crossed really, butif you know them, you could go,
you know?
Well, and that's when youordered that coffee.
It's not espresso.
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There is no X in that word.
That's kind of the gift that youhave too, I would say.
In this list and in kind of theresearch, would you say that
this is what I think you have tohave an altru being kind.
You have to have an altruisticangle.
Uh, you're not trying to, you'renot self preserving yourself.
You actually care and you'reactually gonna give your time
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and effort into someone.
Yep.
And also this is kind of whereyou, where you come in, you
actually have to have a littlebit of boldness and I think
sometimes.
I will have all the altruisticideal, but I don't have the
boldness to jump in and just, Idon't wanna look like who, who
do I think I am jumping in andlike, yes, helping this person.
Maybe they don't wanna behelped.
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That requires a step andsometimes I, I've, I've caught
myself sometimes going.
Why didn't I just do that?
What, what was I, it wasn't thatI didn't want to, it was like I,
I would've felt dumb.
Or what if I would've offendedthat person for helping'em, or,
yes.
That, that's where I landsometimes.
I'm like, who cares?
Just be bold and do it, and I,and I've been socially with you
out places.
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Yeah.
I see.
You are a guy.
You are a guy that if you seesomeone you know, you will just
go and talk to them.
Yeah.
Most people, that's, that's notnormal, John.
Um, that's who you are.
Most people go, oh, I think Iknow that guy.
John will walk up and go, Hey,hey, don't we know each other?
Did you go to, you know, St.
Jude's?
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Well, and part of it is, is, youknow, I think that people
appreciate being acknowledgedYes.
Instead of ignored.
True.
But I want to go back to your, II, I thought of something.
It has to do with mustaches.
Oh, okay man.
We're gonna be back on mustachesor hockey.
One of No, just the badmustaches.
Go ahead.
Just I was out with my family onSt.
Patrick's Day, and I think I mayhave mentioned this on a
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previous podcast, but there wasa young man who I knew I.
Who went to high school with mytwo boys and he had just a
terrible mustache.
Yeah.
Now I could have been nice.
Oh, no, no, but I felt like Iknew him because you knew him.
I, I knew him, but I don't knowhim well.
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Okay.
But I went up to him and I said,the mustache isn't working.
I'm like, you are a good lookingguy without the mustache.
Here's the question, Sean.
Yep.
Who heard that?
Several people.
Okay.
Was it a table full of people?
It wasn't whispered, that's forsure.
Was it, was it people that heknows that he knew?
Oh yeah.
Okay.
And they didn't know me and theythought, okay, okay, who's this
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prick?
Okay.
Okay.
But he got it and he goes, Hey,I'm trying, I'm working on this
thing.
I said, okay, we'll let you keeptrying.
No, keep.
No, no.
But I mean, maybe it hadn'tfully formed.
Yeah.
Like it was in the very earlystages.
Like, you know, you're a guythat can wear facial hair.
I am not, but I, it's, I, I lovethis story only because I've
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done the exact same thing asJohn, my, my nephews.
You know, they'll, they'll walkin.
I'm like you, but you know them,right?
I do, I do.
But their friends might be withthem, right?
Because they, they live in thesame, that makes it fun.
So there's a little bit of youguys trying to get a good rise
out.
I'm trying to be the funny guy,but you're, but you're like,
you.
No, what are you, I mean, whatare you doing?
And so now it's a bit, so nowthey know, right?
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Yeah.
And so you're that guy.
And so when they bring theirfriends around who have one of
those, my, Hey Uncle Mike, whatdo you think of Bill here?
And I, they just know because.
There's only two mustaches thatare worthy.
Tom Sellek Mustache.
Sure.
And, uh, Gar.
Who's Garr?
He was in a movie.
He was in Mask.
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He, uh, he's in the, um, oh, uh,absolutely.
The insurance commercials.
He does the Sam.
Sam.
Sam Elliot.
Sam.
Elliot.
Sam.
Elliot.
Elliot, Elliot.
Those are the two mustaches.
That's it.
You are allowed to have amustache.
Tom, Tom Sellek, Sam Elliott andSam Elliott.
You you.
There you go.
If you, it's kind of part of hissound.
His look.
Everything.
If you don't have that nomustache, the guy who plays Ron
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Swanson don't have a mustache.
Okay.
All right.
But the other thing aboutmustaches, wow.
We're still in mustache.
Yeah, we're still in mustaches.
I wanna get back to some,they're so, they're so
intentional.
You know like when you see amanly man that's got a mustache
and beard and they just let itgo, it's like, damn, that's a
man.
Right?
Then you see somebody with areal manicured mustache and it's
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like super specific.
It's just so trite.
Intentional.
Yes.
So they're trying too hard whenthey say, Hey, what do you think
of my mustache to be kind?
I would say, I don't like it.
I think that you look betterwithout it.
I would say I would.
I would would say, I would say,where is it?
I'd say, oh, that's what thatis.
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What was that?
So kindness.
Okay.
Being kind and truthful andhonest.
And you're caring about thatperson, right?
Means you know them or you, uh,have a connection with them.
Because if you try, if you tryto be funny.
And you're going for a joke.
Um, and it fails.
It's bad, bad, bad, and you looklike a jerk, right?
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So that's why you choose, you,you're on that teeter,
teeter-totter of kind versusnice.
You, you choose.
Well, and and part of it is, isyou have to choose it.
It it's never out of a place ofmeanness.
Correct.
It's never like, I'm never goingto Yeah, yeah.
You know, if somebody shows upand they've been trying to lose
weight.
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And they're like, Hey, what doyou think of my weight loss?
Yeah.
Oh man, that's great.
Put yourself out there.
Great.
Congratulations.
Because their weight loss is, ifthey feel good about it, I'm
gonna be supportive.
Correct.
That's what matters most.
Right.
That's, but if, uh, I'm, I havetrouble sometimes keeping my.
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Thoughts to myself.
Well, you're, you're kinda awise guy, but I think people,
when people know you, you, youknow, you're say funny things
because you're, it, it is alittle bit outta love, a little
bit of care and funny, you'retrying to be funny, you're
trying to get a laugh selfishly,but you also.
Do it because that's yourcharacter.
That's who you are, and you knowthe people around.
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You know, you, you know, one ofmy favorite things is when we
talk about me.
I know.
That's fantastic.
More let's go.
Yeah, I, I do.
It's interesting that we got tomustaches in, into nice and
kind.
It's appropriate though, becauseI'll go back to my nephews and
do the same thing.
Sure.
But, but here's the sort ofnugget in the middle there.
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The nugget in the middle is.
You're going out now looking forjobs, right?
You're in your early to midtwenties.
You're trying to do business outin the marketplace.
Recognize how people are seeingthat, right?
Your peers may be seeing it as.
Oh, you're trying that.
Me too.
Look at all of us trying thismustache.
Yeah.
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But when you are November tryingto do business with Right.
Do it in November.
Not, uh, don't be testing thewise.
Right.
You have an excuse, stupid.
Recognize that people are maybeseeing that and go, oh, uh, are
you 17 and you're just, youknow, growing something for the,
that's the nugget there.
Right?
That's the kind.
'cause there is an element ofthat.
(20:56):
Mm-hmm.
There is an element of.
Oh, you're, you're gonna, you'rewearing that, right?
I mean, um, or you really, youneed to swear, uh, nonstop, you
know, and string those wordstogether.
There's an element of kind whenyou come back, as John does, and
I do this as well, and make somefunny comment about, well, are
you a drunk sailor?
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What's your deal?
Right.
Right.
Like, oh, somebody learned howto swear.
Right.
And what you're saying, theundertone, the kindness here is.
Hey, man, you're smarter thanthat.
I mean, there, there's, okay,time to swear and throw those
words down.
That'll make your mom blush.
But this isn't what you can dobetter.
You can do better.
So let me ask you this.
Um, our wives don't listen tothis show.
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Does your wife listen to thisshow?
Uh, not really.
No.
Probably not.
So if your wife comes out withan outfit and says, how do I
look in this?
What's your response?
Um, are you always kind.
Or sometimes are you nice?
I'll, I'll say this, I'll baseit upon how much time we have to
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get to where we gotta go.
Oh wow.
That's very good.
So there is, that's good caveatsometimes because that's part of
the equation.
Because if I say I like it and Isay it too fast, she knows I'm
getting, I wanna get going.
So she'll go, oh no, you didn'teven right.
You didn't even, so I lost youlocked.
So I lost.
So, um, it's a, it's a trappythe way you're screwed.
You might as well stay out ofthere.
Don't go upstairs.
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Just be downstairs ready to go.
Right.
Um.
But, but I, I, I will, I'll leadher and I'll say what I, I'll
show her what I really think,and honestly, that's what she
ends up going back to.
She'll change eight more times.
Yeah.
She knows what looks best onher.
Have you ever answered need meto tell her?
Have you ever answered?
It's fine.
Let me tell you, this is bad.
That isn't tricky, tricky audit.
That isn't bad, right?
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It's, it's what?
It's re choice.
It doesn't matter what I saybecause my eyes dece.
My eyes are what tells thetruth.
It doesn't matter.
Oh, she can tell what?
Oh my gosh.
No matter what comes outta mymouth, my body language, in my
eyes, that doesn't, doesn'tmatter.
The words I use doesn't.
So nicer kind.
Why did they ask us that then?
Yeah.
Well, oh, that's a differentshow.
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You what?
That's a different show.
How are we on this?
That's not very kind.
Yeah.
To put us in a position.
To have to be, right.
Yes.
It's their fault.
That's, man, we finally gotthere.
Generally speaking.
Yeah.
What?
What about your fault?
It's their fault.
Yeah.
What about you?
What do you say?
I, you know, I've been marriedalmost 30 years now.
Yeah, me too.
And me too.
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There are times, yeah.
How long you been married?
30 years.
Oh man.
September, last September.
32,000.
You got married in 2000?
Yeah, so 25, but we've beendating, I was in 96.
We've been dating since then.
I was in 94, dating since 94.
Okay.
So yes, we've been together justas long.
Yeah.
I was dating in nine.
We don't need to get, it doesn'tmatter.
About 30 years.
A long time.
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Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
Um.
If, if she's wearing somethingthat just, you know, I'll tell
her.
I'm like, eh, I don't think so.
Yeah.
I sometimes, I think thatsometimes.
But now when you're there,right, it's, it's before she
leaves, right?
No, it's before.
Yeah.
You're at the event.
God, I didn't wanna say.
Or you're about to walk out andyou say you wearing that.
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No, it's, it's usually, like yousaid, when there's plenty of
time.
Yes.
When there's plenty of time.
Right.
And I just, I if I think thatwhen she looks at herself in
pictures, she's gonna go.
Why didn't you say something?
Right.
So you're right, we're screwedeither way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So being nice or being kind, Ithink that when it comes to
marriage, generally speaking, weas men are just better off
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always being nice.
Keep always, always, always benice.
I agree.
Yeah.
But when it comes to kids andstuff, especially, oh, you gotta
be kind.
You gotta give them, you gottagive'em what they need, not just
what they want to hear.
Like you gotta give it to'em.
Can I tell you one thing thatirritates me?
Yeah.
Is when somebody says that theirkid.
Is their best friend.
Oh, no.
You know what?
Yeah.
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I am not the best friend withmy, any of my kids.
I love my children, but maybeonce they're adults in your,
when they're, you know, maybesiblings.
No, I mean, I, I, I'm, I, I lovespending time with them, but my
job is not to be a friend.
Absolute to the kids.
I'll use my son Ben.
Ben is an example.
Yeah.
Ben has fabulous hair, butsometimes he lets it go too far.
(25:11):
Uhhuh.
And I, I finally said to himlast week, I'm like, I really
can't even look at you anymore.
Just please, please, please, geta haircut.
He got a haircut.
He looked so good.
It mean he's a handsome ladsharp young man.
Well, and it's like sometimeswhen the kids are younger
though, when you do that, I knowthey go against you when you
know, when they know you don'tlike it, that's when they get
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crazy stuff with it.
You guys train my kids andteenagers better than that.
I, I, younger kids, I, I'll sayon the, on the kid front,'cause
I agree with you.
I friend.
No, I mean, I'm the parent, butI, you're constantly going back
and forth between holding yourkid accountable.
Right.
I'm gonna hold you accountable.
That might be like, get yourgrades up, like, you know, do
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the things you say you're gonnado right.
I'm gonna hold you kind of, andthat's nice, right?
I mean, no, no, that's kind.
No, that's kind.
That's kind.
And then, and then jumping toman, you know, they're, they're
going through it and you'retheir biggest cheerleader, like
you got, then you got this, youknow, you go back to the, you
got this, like, look at all thegreat things you're doing and
you propped them up.
You're always going between.
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Holding accountable and beingthe greatest cheerleader.
Yeah.
And you got, you just, youbalance that every day.
It's, it's a bit like the hair.
Hey man, you need to, you needto tighten that up.
When he tightened it up, itwasn't like you didn't
acknowledge it, I'm sure youwere like, oh, I was doing, oh
wow.
That's, that's ama You look sogreat you again.
Perfect example.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Nice and kind brother.
Yeah.
Nice and kind brother.
I think, uh, what did you, whatelse did you learn from some of
the other stuff that you saw?
'cause, um.
You some.
Well, there were some people, Imean, there were some people on
there that, uh, that really gotinto sort of the religious
aspect.
Mm-hmm.
And it was actually, it, it,here's an example.
Know, the concept of turning theother cheek.
(26:59):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Turning the other cheek isbeing, what do you think?
turning the other cheek.
It's being nice.
It is being nice.
Yeah.
'cause you're avoiding conflict.
You're avoiding conflict.
That's exactly right.
but you can't let people runover you.
Right, right.
Turning the other cheek is, isbeing nice.
Responding to them in a fair,decent way.
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Set'em straight.
Just being kind.
Well, we straight you, I mean,you've talked about this on the
show.
We've talked about this on theshow so many times, being
respectful.
Right?
Just being respectful.
Not, not sort of flying off thehandle, not being angry, not
assuming Ill intent.
Right.
Right.
Being respectful.
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The turning the other cheek is,I'm not gonna jump down your
throat.
When you just threw an insult atme.
But I'm not gonna, you know,keel over either.
I'm gonna be, I'm gonna comeback to you, but it's gonna be
in a respectful way and you'regonna, it's gonna be clear to
you that that's unacceptableaccording to my, yeah.
So according to my chart, nice.
People suppress emotions toappear calm, ah, and kind.
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People stay present withemotion.
Yes.
But not ruled by it.
Correct.
Wow.
So you're actually That is agood one.
Yeah.
You're, you're actually, you'renot, you're not suppressing.
You shouldn't suppress anyemotions.
You should actually live withthem and have those emotions.
Just don't be totally ruled byit.
If you took that one accordingmy chart, one, one step further,
then you're inviting that otherperson, cooler heads prevail to
(28:29):
now.
Okay.
Now come back, like, now let'shave a conversation.
Yeah.
Right Now you, you, you went offthe handle.
Right.
Maybe you're.
They're angry, but who knowswhat the background is.
But they get really angry andthey come at you.
They lash out at you, you thataccording to that chart being
nice is just going, oh, that'sokay.
(28:50):
I.
Being kind is okay.
You lashed out at me.
I heard you.
I'm not gonna lash out at you,but I'm gonna make it clear
that's not acceptable.
Boom.
And we're gonna engage in thisconversation, and now I want you
to engage in it, right?
I'm not forcing you to listen tome, that that's the next step.
So you hold your emotions incheck.
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You don't get railroaded.
You say that's not acceptable.
You engage in a productiveconversation and then you invite
them to to that as well.
You know, we as parents, youknow, we, my wife and I laugh
about good cop, bad cop.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
You know I You did that all thetime.
I am the good cop.
No, Becky.
No, no.
Just hear me out.
I am the good cop.
Becky is the bad cop.
(29:33):
And, and do you I don't believethat.
No.
I, I, I am the, you know whenfor Sam, you go, Hey, listen,
your mom's really mad.
Correct?
Yes.
We blame her.
You better.
Hey, let's take care of this.
Your moms come in here in aminute, get a rake, get out and
rank the yard.
I mean, she yard.
I, I wanna finish this on a veryserious note, okay?
Okay.
So serious today.
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Well, and here's an example.
If somebody in your life has aproblem with alcohol.
Sure.
there are people that haveproblems with alcohol, to not
address it, to just let ithappen and not say something out
of a place of concern, out of aplace of love.
Correct.
Is enabling them and being anenabler.
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It's probably nice, but it isnot kind.
It's where you gotta be bold.
It's, you have to be a littlebold the way that tough man you
approach it is, is just to say,Hey, I love you.
And I've just noticed somethingthat gives me concern and I'm
wondering if it's something thatyou feel yourself.
I mean, it's coming, it's beingempathetic, but it's being
honest and and true to people.
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And if you don't, you're just asculpable.
Absolutely.
You just as culpable.
Hundred percent.
If you don't take theopportunity in a respectful way
to say, this is coming from aplace of love.
We, we, we gotta talk aboutthis.
You're just as scopable.
Yep.
I agree.
50 pounds ago when I was 50pounds heavier, and I'm not
kidding.
My wife.
Out of a place of kindness islike, you gotta do something
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about this really?
Seriously.
Wow.
The donut hut.
You can't go there four times aweek.
What?
No.
This was Pred donut hut.
I, uh, four times a week thedonut hut.
I could do it.
I could do it.
So we got to donuts.
Yeah.
If we talked today, mustachesabout Hill Marie at all.
Oh, your brother Dan went to mybrother Dan says hi to you
today.
Yeah.
Class 86.
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Lunch with him his birthday thisweekend.
Happy birthday Dan.
Hey, my birthday's tomorrow.
That.
What?
Yes.
Oh geez.
Happy birthday to, I forgotyou're to Mark Cat too.
Wow.
Happy birthday, John.
Thank you.
Thank you.
65 years old.
That's great.
65.
Don't look at day over 62.
That's a special trip to DonutHut tomorrow.
It's a Thursday, not a Tuesday.
I'm, I'm gonna take my A a RPcard in there.
Does this help?
(31:37):
Well, no, you're not 65.
No, not quite.
You're in your sixties though.
I'm way younger than KG kgs.
No, you're not in your sixties.
Yeah.
K G's grandson came home.
Oh yeah.
Oh, that's great.
Little Leo.
Kenneth.
That's awesome.
Very exciting.
Oh, that is exciting.
He's a little soccer.
Did you see the pictures?
I did not.
I'll I'll show you some pictureswhen we're all done here.
Hey, you've given'em 35 minutes.
Well, I, I actually, I more thanthey deserve.
(31:58):
I'm kind of proud.
We stuck on, we stuck on taskand I really appreciate this.
We went to mustaches.
I really appreciate thisconversation.
I think it's a, it's such a, um.
A great thing for our listenersto think through.
Absolutely.
Talk through as a leader, as afather, as a husband, as a, you
know.
Yeah.
This might be the first episodewhere we gave people actually
something to seriouslycontemplate.
(32:19):
I know that's a good topic.
I think that's why, you know,self reflection, we could
probably keep going to that.
Let's find some other goodtopics.
Shoot us any topics you guyshave.
Uh, through our Facebook page.
Uh, practice Oxytocin Sunday andtell us anything.
No, no.
It's oxytocin.
Oxytocin Sunday.
Sorry.
I'm, I'm thinking about, uh,yeah, I wanna make sure we get
this across to give us somefeedback across, across, across.
(32:40):
Come across, across, uh, we wantsome feedback.
Let us know how you, how we'redoing.
And what's your experiences withany of these topics.
My brother-in-law, Chad.
Sent me a text today and hegoes, this guy that's doing my
training has said across severaltimes.
I'm like, how well do you knowhim?
I don't know him at all.
I go, be nice and just let itgo.
If you knew him, be kind and goup and say, there's no T at the
(33:03):
end of that word.
Right, right, right.
Here's another one.
Oh boy.
When people mess up thedifference between cavalry and
calvary.
Oh, um, you know, what do youget, get those involved.
Exactly.
I don't think I've ever been ina, are you kidding, situa?
No.
Why?
Why would someone call, saythose two words to me, calling
in the calvary?
You, I've heard people say, ohyeah, call in the Calvary.
(33:26):
Calvary is the place where Jesuswas crucified.
Correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're right.
You, but people say, call in thecalvary.
I heard it on, on.
TV the other day.
Oh my goodness.
I've never, I've, I've, I'venever heard that.
Somebody needs to be kind.
I'll that person and go, yougotta get to church.
Oh.
All right.
Anything else?
No, I think, uh, this is great.
(33:47):
All right.
Uh, well wait a second.
Wait a second.
One more thing Before, beforeyou sign off, I mean, we go, do
you, do you wanna put the PSAout there for this amazing event
that you have coming up in May?
Thank you.
Yes.
Yeah.
What, your birthday May 21st Nono's tomorrow.
Oh, that's tomorrows, that'stomorrow, right.
It's, well, actually, I'llprobably be posting this on my
birthday.
Happy birthday to me.
(34:07):
Wow.
Thank you.
Um, yes.
Uh, May 21st.
Good.
We have a very, uh, big event atthe Masonic Heritage Center.
11.
Four 11 Masonic Home Drive.
Four 11.
Uh, 11.
Four 11.
Okay.
1, 1 4.
1 1 11 4 11, Wilmington,Minnesota.
5, 5, 4, 3 7.
Anyway, we have this, uh.
Special Night.
We're doing our live, podcast.
(34:28):
We'll be recording it live.
Yeah.
We're gonna be recording it liveand we're going to be
celebrating, uh, some selflessscholars as well as a bunch of
other academic achievers.
Their parents will be there.
It should be a full house.
So we're gonna do this on stagein front of people?
On stage, yes.
Wow.
It's gonna be fantastic.
I hope it's, I hope it'sinteresting, but, but what I
love about it is the purpose isreally to hold up these selfless
scholars, right.
(34:48):
We're, we're just.
We're just the, the, the podcastis just the kindness crew is
just elevating that.
We're using that stage toelevate that.
That's amazing.
That's great.
So May 21st.
21st.
Wonderful.
Five 30 I.
Masonic Heritage Center i'sauditorium.
454 seats be there.
Jewelbox Theater.
Wow.
It's beautiful.
What, uh, well they'll, you'regonna post something on it
(35:10):
tomorrow on Facebook.
Where would there be somedetails?
I don't, I'm not participatingin that stuff.
Okay.
Someone else is gonna do that.
We'll get that post, but yeah.
Okay.
It's, it's free.
Wonderful.
Come and join us and, uh, withthat, off we go.
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