July 17, 2025 • 36 mins
We visit with Mahtomedi High School Student, Jaylen Jones, aspiring entrepreneur with a big heart. Learn more about his unique idea of connecting high school students with seniors in need of cleaning services and companionship.
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We're on a mission from God.
That's right.
That's right.
Welcome to the KindnessChronicles, where once again, we
hope to inject the world with adose of the Minnesota kindness
that it desperately needs.
Got Steve Brown in the studio.
Hey, what's up?
We gotta talk to you about yourbig weekend.
Big weekend.
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Hey.
Hello everybody.
Rockstar weekend.
We got the, uh, the intern Jeff,who's been having a lot of fun
with, the soundboard.
He's now an engineer.
He's not just the, uh, internanymore.
He's Jeff, the engineer.
Jeff the engineer.
Very nice.
Yeah.
Good to be here.
Huh?
Do you working on the railroad?
All the live long day.
He's got a hat.
Uh, we have a guest we'llintroduce here shortly.
Yeah.
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In studio.
Yeah.
Uh, but we, uh, he gets to seeall Behind the Magic KG is
unable to join us because his,uh, special friend is making him
go to a dinner tonight.
Unavoidable.
He said he'd much rather be hereand she doesn't listen to the
podcast, so we should be fine.
Yeah.
But Steve, let's start with you.
Yeah.
You're out in Hutchinson.
Yeah.
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Big fun.
Far West West, far West T Trick.
We haven't played an outsideevent for a long time.
We're mostly playing in a darkbar, so it was super fun.
The people were awesome.
It was a really organized event.
The old school fans came outtathe woodwork.
Really?
But did you do your And my, myfamily, like my, my kids were
there, all their friends werethere, so they came in with
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Johnny Clue fan club tshirtstuff.
Oh, sweet.
So they all had t-shirts.
I love it.
So they came in right when westarted and like, it was kinda
like, you know, it was veryfunny that they were there, you
know, singing and dancing, allthe songs.
But what I was gonna say was, itwas a challenge.
We had one hour to do, reallyget my band's, you know, whole
show done in an hour, get'em upand get people going.
They're all sitting in loungechairs.
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Oh no.
You know, and, uh, lounge chairsall over the place.
It's, oh boy.
Like a thousand people in, youknow, they're just.
You know, looked like they'rejust, oh, they all looked
elderly, but it was youngerpeople's, like, you know, 50
something year old people.
Well, they came to drink somebeer and sit and Right.
So I was like, oh, this is gonnabe tough.
And we kind of got going and Igot'em clapping along and I, we
did the drink toast.
We have all these things that wedo to get people going.
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And people were, as soon as Igot'em clapping along.
Okay, that's good.
We got'em going.
We fired through our set listand it was super fun and we had
a great time.
And we, uh, uh, so we, we sold abunch of t-shirts and some
stickers and people were reallykind of into it.
We signed autographs after Ohwow.
Fun.
Like a real, like a real band.
And then I got, I got a, asurvey after the fact.
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They, they wanted to take asurvey with all the people that
were there and all the bands.
And they showed the graphic of,uh, Martin Zeller and like these
other bands.
And they have a picture of me inthere.
It's a horrible picture of me.
Oh, no, I can't imagine that.
I'll show it.
I just, I'm in action.
I look a little, you know, I'mkind of squished up and I'll
show you the picture, but I'mlike, that's what they Well,
that's Steve.
That's how you look.
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I know, it's okay.
I mean, that's, how far isHutchinson?
It's a hour and a half west of,uh, the Twin Cities.
They're made from my house,which is, you know, and you
stayed overnight.
I camped out in the, in thefeet, in the woods.
In a, in the park.
What a terrible idea.
Ah, it was great.
But are you an outdoorsman?
My, my family, my boy is, ohyeah.
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Both my boys are, they love it.
And, uh, all their friends,they're so super fun.
We had three tents, but I slepton the ground.
I slept on a little mattress.
Oh God.
Super uncomfortable.
It was the worst part about it.
Otherwise, everything else isfantastic and for that reason.
I'm out.
Well, John, here's the thing.
Can you mention the, my Z guysare age.
Gotta get up.
You gotta get up and use therestroom middle of the night.
Right.
But you can be right outside.
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That's true.
Well, yes, but you still, youknow, I go to, I went to sleep
in my pants and my, you know,I'm, I'm have to get up and get
out of the tent.
I don't have shoes.
Like I'm not gonna put my bigboots on.
So I'd like to walk out in thegrass and like it, it's just
hanging outside the, the, thedoor, the campsite's full of
people and it's silent.
Nobody's gonna see it's darkout, whatever.
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Oh, it was super great.
We had a great weekend.
Oh, that's fantastic.
And, uh, people loved seeing usoutside.
Was it hot?
No, it was a beautiful day.
Okay, so no humidity?
No.
No humidity and there's nothinglike a campfire breakfast.
What did you make your family?
Uh, I didn't make it.
My son made us all coffee and wehad granola bars.
Okay.
They, they made steak and eggs.
Ooh.
We left, but they made somefood.
Wow.
Fun with their whole gang.
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Huh?
They camp out a lot.
Yeah.
My kids, my kids are big campersactually.
Huh.
If I had more gear, I'd be wayinto it.
It was just not thatcomfortable.
I'd be into the gear.
I'd like to have the gear.
Yeah, you'd have to have goodstuff.
Yeah.
That's what makes it better.
So when I used to take my kidsto Cub Scout camp.
Yeah.
I don't know if we've evertalked about this, but.
I would always rent a hotel verynear the camp, like, yeah.
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Did you ever go to Felipo or, orCannon River Scout reservation?
Yes.
So I would go into Canon Fallsand I would stay at the, uh, the
hotel in Cannon Falls.
You were really rough in it.
And you'd come back in themorning absolutely chipper like
you were out And if I didn'tlike what the meal looked like,
I'd go to the pizza place forlunch.
Yeah.
I wasn't a very good scouter.
You're not a, you're a, you'rean endorse I'm an avid
endorsement, yeah.
Yes, avid endorsement.
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Jeff, what did you do thisweekend?
Boy.
Um.
You put me on this spot.
This is a long story becauseyou, he was working, I'm working
on engineering stuff and thenyou put it on this, um, what did
I do?
I worked on my yard.
I'm, I've got a big, I've, I'vepulled out a bunch of trees and
filling dirt in with it.
Yeah.
And um.
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You know, coaching my daughterwho's in Boston, uh, we recently
moved her out there, so that'show, you know she's enjoying it.
But on Sunday nights we get Isshe going to school out there?
No, she's two years past school.
Okay.
And she's got a job out theredoing, what is she doing?
She works at a company called EFTours.
EF is education first and she ishelping high schoolers.
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Uh.
Plan, international traveltrips.
Oh, very cool.
Very fun.
It is.
She's excited about it.
So we've got a, we've got aguest that's patiently waiting,
wondering what have I gottenmyself into here?
His middle aged guy's talking,but I gotta tell you about this
guy.
I remember I was doing this,volunteer delio for the DECA
program.
Was it the DECA program?.
I got caught off guard and wrotea check to this program and I'm
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a big maite guy as everybodyknows.
And, uh, you're Mr.
Maite, I think.
Yeah.
And this young man came up tome, fabulous.
Had a hair, very unforgettable,super gregarious.
I was thinking that he wasgraduating senior.
Turns out he was only a junior,so he is got a whole nother year
of high school.
reached out to me on LinkedIn.
And, I immediately rememberedwho this kid was.
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I'm sorry I'm calling you a kid,but, he's a young man.
He's got better facial hair thanI do too, but that's a whole
nother situation.
But he, recently won,, arecognition for a program that
he put together and is going tocontinue to put together.
And the, lad has entrepreneurialspirit to burn.
He's got great pipes for, uh,for a podcast, that's for sure.
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Yeah.
Welcome to the KindnessChronicles Jalen Jones.
Woo.
Great to have you.
Happy to be here.
Jalen, first and foremost, tellus, uh, a little bit about how
you made your way to Maida.
'cause you're, are you anOakdale resident?
Yes.
I'm, I'm from, originally fromOakdale.
So, uh, I made my way to Mamitamy 10th grade year.
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So.
Um, throughout ninth grade I wasgoing to North St.
Paul, um, taking some businessclasses there, just learning
more about business.
Um, and then I decided to makethe switch to to, yeah, to.
Very good.
Well, welcome.
We're happy you're here.
There's no doubt.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
Um, and you have a twin brother?
Yes, I do.
I have a twin brother, Jayden.
He's, he's at Madam with me.
He's playing football, so, uh,we're kind of on two different
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ends of the spectrum, but.
But you're on the spectrum.
Just like Jeff There.
I said it.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Get a sample in there.
So does your, does your, is hean identical twin?
Yeah, we're identical.
So do you guys ever have funwith that?
Uh, everyone always asks that,but that's, I'm very cliche that
way.
I think, uh, just consideringthe nature of our, our
interests, I'm really intobusiness and that stuff, the
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classes that I take are.
A lot different than his, so Idon't know if he would ever, and
he is taking weightlifting,those kind of classes.
Okay.
Stuff like that.
So I don't know if he would everreally switch classes, but it is
fun to Okay.
Pretend like, does he have, doeshe have the same great hair that
you have?
Yeah, he does actually.
We both have, um, uh, big, uh,curly hair.
We actually both had our, ourcurly hair.
I was waiting for him.
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To cut it first.
Okay.
Uh, before I did so I could justsee what it looked like.
But, um, yeah.
So I, uh, was, uh, brought to myattention that you, were
interviewed on the CBS, newsprogram., You and another
student that had, it was St.
Thomas student, so there you go.
I'm a Tommy, so she must befantastic.
Hmm.
Um, but tell us about thisprogram and, uh, how you came up
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with such a great idea.
Yeah.
So, uh, I honestly can'tremember who, um, kind of made
me aware of this award or thiscompetition that was going on.
Yeah.
And what's it called?
Uh, youth Sparks.
Um.
It was Youth Sparks likeinnovative idea competition.
Okay.
So through that I, or thatcompetition, I was just kind of
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thinking of some different ideasthat I could potentially submit
to the, uh, competition.
And I've done a internship with,his name is Israel Tolu.
He is the CEO of uh, blue NestConnect, and that's another kind
of d, senior related business.
Okay.
That focuses on teaching.
Um.
Digital literacy skills.
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Oh, okay.
And kind of teaching workshopswith that.
And they are building asoftware, I believe, to kind of
make the process of using adevice or using technology
simpler for seniors.
So Cool.
Um, I kind of joined that reallyearly on when he was starting
off, so I got a lot of goodexperience just learning from
him and, uh, kind of learningthe.
The industry for seniors, justknowing the different problems
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that they do kind of strugglewith and that we may not be able
to see.
So that's kind of where Ilearned my, where I became aware
of the problems that seniors arefacing.
Absolutely.
Hmm.
Uh, and then from there, I just,I worked with him for probably
four or five months, just Okay.
Helping out with some marketingrelated things initially, and
then, uh, kind of helping himfind some, some different
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partnerships for initiallystarting out and then for the,
uh, the.
The, the competition, I was justthinking of some different ideas
that I could potentially submit.
And, uh, working with my grandmaa lot often too.
I, I often seen that she, shewould struggle with, with
cleaning around the house.
Yeah.
Or, um, kind of get into somespecific spots just, just
because of the health issuesshe's having with her back or
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just stuff that happens when youstart to get older.
So You bet.
Absolutely.
Um, with those two things inmind, I, I kind of came up with
an idea.
Um.
Which I initially called JonesCleaning and Companionship.
Um, and then I then switchedthat over and rebranded to
Caring Touch Cleaning.
Um, and that business reallyjust focused on kind of getting
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mainly teenagers, um, to go tothese seniors homes and, and
provide these companionshipservices.
Okay.
But also provide these cleaningservices because you do cease
cleaning services around.
Yep.
Um, even Minnesota or the us.
Not many cleaning services arespecifically tailored to seniors
or, um, and if they are, they'renot offering that companionship
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service that, um, a lot ofseniors are needing nowadays.
Absolutely.
So, um, kind of brought allthose things together and, uh,
created a business out of it.
Just knowing the needs that, uh,seniors are facing now, um, and
kind of use it as a reciprocalbenefit for not only teens by
giving them kind of employmentopportunities and having an
opportunity to, um.
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Kind of get in the community andhelp seniors out.
Um, but also help the, thechildren of seniors by kind of
taking something off their plateand, uh, allowing them to kind
of continue to, to work or dothe other things that, um, kind
of consume a lot of our livesnow.
But, um, I really wanted to useit as a, an opportunity to help,
help a lot.
Well, for starters, I have tofirst acknowledge, if you were
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to close your eyes.
He sounds like a 30 5-year-oldguy.
I know.
The very clear thinking ideas,articulate great ideas.
And so you got that going foryou.
Good looking guy.
He's, he's like a businessmanalready.
Yeah.
He sounds like a business guy.
Yeah.
But the idea that you've come upwith, I gotta tell you, as the
son of, aging parents and weall, if we're lucky enough to
have our parents still around,they all will, have these
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challenges.
It is such a brilliant ideabecause I think what it does is
it is it impresses upon youngpeople for starters that there's
something just beautiful aboutthat intergenerational
connectedness.
One of the things that wediscovered during COVID, and as
everybody knows I'm in thesenior care business, so this is
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really important to me, is thatloneliness was probably the most
difficult part of the wholeCOVID situation.
Yeah.
The fact that the state wouldn'tallow us to have.
Visitors come and visit seniors.
Yeah.
Uh, that's rough.
People that were, that weredying from COVID couldn't have
visitors.
It was just awful.
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What we did do is we went outand bought a whole bunch of
iPads and we trained all ofthese seniors how to use
technology to connect with theirloved ones, and ultimately it
turned out really great becausethey had the chance to connect
with them in a much moremeaningful way.
But it's much different whenit's in person.
Yeah.
And I remember when I was, uh,when I was younger, I had a
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couple of, uh, great aunts anduncles that my, uh, grandma and
grandpa encouraged me to go andcut their grass and do these
different things with them.
And I have one really fun storyas it relates to that.
My grandma Kate had a brothernamed Bob Garvey and Bob Garvey
was single guy.
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Uh, he had a a, a son, but hiswife had passed away and he
lived in the Mounds Park area,uh, mounds Park area, St.
Paul.
And I really like this guy.
I just got a kick out of him.
I think he worked for years atlike the Hams Brewery or
something.
He always had chewing tobaccoin.
Mm-hmm.
And one day, what are thoseguys?
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He asked me if I wanted to havea dip.
Oh boy.
And I thought, this is the day Iam gonna do it.
You were in high school?
Went over I was in high school,yeah.
Probably like ninth grade.
Yeah.
I went over and I, he waschewing Copenhagen, so I took a
thing at Copenhagen, put it inmy lower lip, didn't know what I
was doing.
Immediately got a buzz from it.
Yeah.
Immediately got a buzz.
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And then I looked over and hetook the dip outta his mouth and
put it back in the can.
What?
I was chewing already beenchewed.
A, B, C dip.
A B, C, Copenhagen.
So I called it a B, c, D.
Already been chewed dip.
What?
Yeah, I just, you know, I wantedto barf anyways from the
Copenhagen.
Right.
But that just put me over theedge.
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He was the guy.
Like he'd have these, he hadthese permanent stains down the
side of his cheeks where the, ohno, it was, but you know what?
A lovely guy really, Hey, he wassharing with you.
He wanted me to experience that.
I really, I really bonded withhim.
Yeah.
But the point of that story is,I mean, he loved the fact that,
you know, yeah.
I mean he, I think he may haveoffered me a beer and I'm like,
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you know, I don't think we'regonna do that quite yet.
We're not going that far.
Yeah.
We're not gonna go, um.
Yeah, I think it's a, it's abrilliant idea.
I think so too.
I have some questions.
Go ahead.
I bet you do.
I was just wondering, you hadmentioned Deca and I looked it
up, is that DistributiveEducation Clubs of America?
Yes, that's, yeah, that standsfor, alright.
And so I'd love to hear abouthow this factors into all that,
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but go ahead.
It's like business club, isn'tit?
Yeah, that's what it, exactlywhat it is.
Um, DECA, so it's.
It's kind of hard to explainwithout actually being able to
see it, but, um, we do a lot ofkind of deca or business related
things around the school.
So we'll do like local popupshops with, uh, kinda local
businesses in the school andkind of do events, um,
school-wide, but we compete alsoagainst kids across the, um, the
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world really.
Um, so, so business ideas.
Um, so there's so many differentcompetitions you could do.
So you could do like, um, astartup business plan.
So you're kind of creating abusiness.
You could do franchise businessplan.
Um, a lot of'em are role plays.
Um, so you kind of sit down witha judge or two and oh yeah,
you've been the go through thegauntlet that you've been,
you'll take a role, take on arole as like a director of
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marketing or director of operatman operations, and they'll kind
of give you a story andsomething that you have to
figure out and solve and, andthat's kind of how you, that
compete.
That's cool in that, uh,category.
There's a lot of different, um,um, kind of events that you can
do for Deca, but, um, I met Johnthrough Deca though, um, because
we were hosting, um, I'm thepresident of DECA at Madami, so
we do a lot of, um.
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Prep for competitions and uh,that's a lot what kind of falls
on me and the advisor.
So, um, we were planning thiskind of prep day where we had
local business professionalscome in.
Business professionals.
Yes, that's right.
What were you doing there?
Business.
I was doing business.
We wanted, uh, some localbusiness professionals to give
us some feedback and kind ofhave some.
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Relevant, uh, feedback.
So, were there donuts available?
There weren't donuts, but remindme again, what, what's your role
on Deca?
You're the, the president, thepresidency.
Oh, good for you.
Okay.
I have a question for you.
Go ahead.
Um, how do you, how do youenvision this?
I'm, I'm curious, um, this idea,I think it's a great idea as
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well.
Kids sign up for it.
Um, you maybe have a team, butlike, how does the actual.
Uh, visit, go.
Did they arrive and go.
Hey, Gloria.
Oh.
I'm blah, blah, blah, I'm hereto help.
Um, what would you do?
Do they, is there a phase wherethey, they talk a little bit?
Well, for starters, can we, canwe go back?
I know how that works.
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I want you're, you're kindagetting ahead again, I dunno
what the, what division is.
I'm wondering how do you getclients?
How do you get the employees?
Yes.
Can we start there?
Let's start with, could we evengo back?
Oh, no.
And did did you do some productdevelopment, for example, with
your grandma Shonda, is it?
Mm.
And so did you.
Have this idea and starttalking.
How do you know that already?
Well, chat GPT Really?
This guy is a, a creeper.
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I do a little bit of researchbefore.
Well, what's her birthday?
I don't have that.
I can look it up.
What's his brother's middlename?
No, I don't want to freak himout too badly.
But, but did you Yeah.
Did you, did you start with yourgrandma and kind of socialize
the idea and get some ideas andthen I'd love to Yeah.
Learn about the time, the lifecycle of how it all came about.
Yeah, sure.
So, um.
Kind of initially when I was, I,when I was doing my internship
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for Blueness Connect, just kindof learning about the, uh, the
senior space, um, kind oflearning about the problems that
they have and, um, kind of the,the things that they struggle
with.
I definitely wanted somefeedback from my grandma,
especially as, um, I was kind ofhelping the, the, the founder
with this startup.
Um, we were kind of in the earlystages, so we wanted to kind of
get as much information aspossible and, um, kind of share
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the, share the idea so.
Initially I started just gettingfeedback from her learning
about, um, kind of the differentthings that she's struggling
with, um, but also just throughexperience, um, helping her, um,
kind of being at her house.
So most days she would need helpwith cleaning stuff or, um, just
kind of moving things around thehouse Yeah.
Or anything to do with that.
And.
Honestly, um, my grandma issingle, so she, there would be
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days, I'm sure she's lonely and,uh, she, especially when, uh,
COVID was happening, um, I'msure that was the case for a lot
of seniors.
You bet.
So, uh, does she live near you?
She does live near me now.
She, uh, moved away.
Okay.
Kind of a little farther away, Ithink like 20, 25 minutes away.
Um, and that was during COVID,and then she moved back to, um,
kind of my neighborhood.
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Okay.
So she lives closer by now.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but yeah, I definitely didhave conversations with her,
just trying to build the ideaand, um, kind of getting her,
her feedback as far as what,what approach we should take
with it and, um, kind of whatthings we should add to it that,
um, seniors would reallyappreciate.
So I did that.
And then also we, I did a, a.
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Interview with NPR Radio with mygrandma as well.
So that was before I went on.
Cool.
Wow.
That was before I went on WCCO.
I did a interview.
Oh, good for you.
We saw that.
That was great.
You did a great job.
Yeah, that was really fun.
I was extremely nervous, but Ihad a really fun time.
You seemed nervous, but you goteverything communicated
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perfectly.
Yeah, I was practicing that.
I didn't think he seemednervous.
I seem, I, you just seem likeyou really, I know you're a
professional though.
You know, you, you wanted to getall this information out and you
did.
I could tell that you, yeah, youhad to get a lot out in a short
amount of time too.
Yeah.
So let's go back to this.
Is the business up and runningor is this still in, ideation
phase right now?
Yeah, it's still honestly inideation phase where,'cause I
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just needed help honestly,getting it started.
I started it when I, well, theidea initially came when I was
pretty young.
So you're still pretty young.
Yeah.
Still, still, still prettyyoung.
But, uh, you, you don't soundlike it, but you're a young man.
Um, so kind of having thoseideas and trying to.
Put them together.
And I think when I had all ofthis media recognition and kind
of having all these peopletrying to get my, uh, attention
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and yeah, wanting to know more,I think it, it overwhelmed me a
little bit.
Of course.
And I think also I tried to, um,launch it way too fast.
And I think that that, and.
Hurt me a little bit when Iinitially was just trying to
start because I was kind ofgoing back and trying to fix
things and trying to, oh, well Iguess I need that too, and I
guess I'm gonna need that too.
So, yeah, you don't have thereally any experience with it
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yet.
You're just trying to gather agreat idea.
Okay, so Here's my first pieceof advice.
Oh, we're already starting.
Well, I just, I'm gonna go rightinto it because the road to hell
is paved with good intentions.
Mm-hmm.
And there's a lot of great ideasthat nobody executes on.
I get the sense from talking toyou for 15 minutes, that you're
a guy that's gonna get shitdone.
Yeah.
There I said it.
Yeah.
Swear.
Swear word.
I said swear word.
We're not supposed to swear onthis.
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I'm not editing that out.
So, anyway.
The first thing is, is youshould go to the University of
St.
Thomas.
They have the Schultz School of,entrepreneurship.
We'll get you a full scholarshipto go there.
Um, the idea is a brilliant ideait's funny'cause Jeff and I
immediately thought of the samething.
You know, the guys that startedtwo, uh, two men in a truck.
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Yeah.
They're everywhere.
Yeah.
That has become this hugefranchise and not only does your
idea,, check a box when it comesto a need that people have in
terms of, cleaning the house,like something tangible that you
can see, but there's also thatemotional connection with people
and, those relationships lean onthat.
(22:24):
Those are relationships thatcould go on for many, many
years.
Um, I was with a couple todayand, they didn't have any
children.
They're in their nineties.
What do those people do in termsof, who's going to be the
trustee of my trust or who'sgoing to be the executor of my
estate?
And not that that's themotivation for doing these
(22:45):
things, but that's reallyimportant for these people.
Those people, especially thosethat don't have children.
Or they don't have children thatare living near them or
grandchildren,, this is like thegrandchild that you never had
kind of an opportunity.
And let's face it, they'retargeted by fraudsters that
wanna go after'em.
So to have a trusted person tohelp them, which yeah, which is,
(23:08):
you know, is also an importantconsideration.
I mean, you gotta make sure thatthe people that you're vetting
really, that you're bringing onboard are, uh, are people of
high integrity because, there'ssome liability possibilities
there.
Well, you know, the Seinfeldwhere they were over there
getting, uh, record records fromthe, uh, old people.
Thank you very much.
Um, okay.
Now, now, now to my question.
(23:29):
I wanna hear your vision for,how do you, how does one
experience go?
Like if you send people to thehouse, how does that work?
Like, just walk me through whatyou're thinking and what, how it
would work.
Sure.
So honestly, I was kind ofstruggling with the idea of
coming or not coming up with,uh, deciding whether.
Would it be one person on, onthe job?
Would it be two people on thejob?
(23:50):
Mm-hmm.
So.
What I'm thinking is having oneperson go, I did initially
create a website for thebusiness and I had all the, um,
kind of booking information onthere.
So that's where it kind ofstart.
Yeah.
And something that I was reallytrying to focus on with, um,
kind of my target market andwhile I was.
(24:11):
Really trying to spec, uh,target seniors and trying to
help senior citizens.
I, I didn't necessarily want thecost to fall on seniors, or I
didn't really want them to haveto, um, kind of reach out and,
and have to go access it.
Um, themselves just because Iknow that, uh, seniors aren't as
Yeah.
As digitally literate.
So that's savvy.
Yeah.
Like that.
Um, so what I was really tryingto do is, is target the, the
(24:34):
children of seniors and, andtrying to, um, promote it that
way.
So, um, people that are a littlebit more tech savvy and, um,
have the money to do it, butalso, um, I'm not gonna feel bad
for, for taking their money for,or for also trying to help as
well.
So, yeah.
Um.
The, the, the process startsonline.
So the booking process and thengoing there, I was thinking
(24:57):
maybe doing like workshops orsomething like that where I was
speaking briefly about, uh,doing digital liter, digital
literacy stuff for my pastinternships.
So I have a little bit of kindof experience, um, in that field
and just knowing what, whatseniors are really struggling
with for uhhuh, um, digitally.
Um, so going in there, teachingclasses like that, um, and being
(25:19):
with the seniors and kind ofteaching them, uh, what's what.
Scam looks like and mm-hmm.
Okay.
And going in there and just kindof helping them learn the
different things.
But also, and what, what I loveabout that is that idea gives
you something for that visitorto, uh, to engage with them.
Yeah.
Let's start with this and kindhelp.
Something to start with.
(25:40):
Something to start with.
You know, in addition to thecleaning.
Hey, while I'm here, would yoube interested in this or even
have a, you know, a checklist ofthings that, you know, you might
be interested in.
Here's what you should do.
I'm just gonna get right afterit.
Yeah.
Okay.
Ideas from John.
I think that this lends itself,he's the professional sincerely
to be a nonprofit organization.
I think what you do is you, uh,you can work with different
(26:03):
senior care facilities,physician groups that, uh, work
with geriatric patients.
Some people don't have thewherewithal to, to financially
pay for a cleaning service.
Or a companion service.
That sounds kind of weird.
You know?
Companion service does.
That's, that's a, it's a wholedifferent direction's, a
(26:23):
different angle of the business.
I apologize for that.
We'll stay on track.
I apologize.
How old are you?
17.
We'll, stay on track for,pretend I didn't say that, but
you know, I'm sorry.
I just, where, why did my, whydid I say that?
Because you're a weirdo.
Okay.
I am a weirdo.
The point is I think that peoplewould be interested in
supporting something like thatbecause, the idea of a person
(26:48):
that's lonely, that's, that homeneeds some, some attention.
I think it just lends itself to,to fundraising.
And I think that's somethingthat I recognized too early on
that I feel like.
If I were to target the, thesenior homes or the kind of the
providers or the, the caregiversto seniors, um, and kind of
offer it as a, an amenity orsome sort of, um, kind of
(27:11):
service that they offerunderneath them, but, you know,
it's through me.
So, um, the cost wouldn't fallon seniors, but the, the senior
home they stay at, or, um, likeI mentioned earlier I, it sounds
kind of broad.
Um, when I visit my mom, I.
She doesn't live that far awayfrom me, but there's always
something that I could help herwith.
Her phone chores, like, yeah,well, no, like her phone or
(27:33):
setting or, so my wife does thesame thing for her mom.
She always has to resetsomething and you know, go, here
we go.
Just helping understand, youknow, going through digital
issues, that they're having realsimple stuff.
The other thing.
She needs something lifted,moved from down the garage,
outside, whatever.
Something real simple.
Light bulbs.
Yeah, light bulbs, anything likethat.
Um, sometimes some cleaning.
(27:53):
But my mom's pretty active.
She's, by the way, she wanted meto say hi to you guys.
Oh, great.
She's on the way over here.
So Nice.
But, so there's that.
And then there's, just sit down,have a cup of coffee and talk
with her.
So when I think about, uh, youknow, what you're talking about.
I feel like there's a big rangeof things.
And so this isn't medical, thisis not, you're not, people
(28:13):
aren't going there.
Uh, yeah.
You're not qualified for anykind of medical attention.
You're not, you're not visitingangels.
So I'm not gonna like countpills and do all anything
medical, but you're gonnabasically sit down with them.
Uh, v visit, maybe help withsome digital stuff, play cards,
maybe move some stuff around.
Uh, but are you cleaning?
Are you vacuuming?
(28:33):
Are you like sorting anything?
Yeah, I think that, um, sothere's cleaning as well?
Yeah, absolutely.
Some light cleaning.
I think that that's kind of whatit, I think that, um, the
companionship was more of thekind of secondary, the, the
twist and the, um Got it.
Got it.
The competitive edge, um, to thecleaning.
So I think that, um, whilethere's some senior business out
or businesses out there that dofocus on kind of senior home
(28:56):
cleaning or yeah, senior care orI think I even did see a couple
companionship services or seniorcompanionship services for, um,
while I was, uh, uh, starting upinitially.
But, um.
Okay.
Yeah, so, so it's cleaning withcompanionship connected to it.
That's, that's what the nameinstills as well, so I got it.
I'm, I'm just trying to put myhead on.
Yeah.
(29:16):
What, and, and, uh, my, my dad'sa veteran, um, very much in this
situation.
And, um, luckily the VA has beenreally great in Minnesota and
they've, um.
Contracted with a place called10 Air Home Care Services.
And so I wonder if there's apartnership angle here where,
um, for example, a nurse kind ofcomes in and oversees everything
(29:39):
and has even had to help set up.
You know, his, his pills, forexample.
Mm-hmm.
And things like that as aperson, just memory care kinds
of things.
Um, but then we started talking,her name's Jen.
She's the head nurse and she'sawesome and builds rapport and,
uh, just has already establishedsome great trust and a
(29:59):
relationship and there's a PTperson that comes in and helps.
But then we were starting totalk about my mom who needs
help.
Caregiver, um, assistance whereshe needs to just be able to go
and have a mental day off mentalcare day or go do practice, get
Exactly.
Go grocery shopping.
And so they're, apparentlythere's services where the,
(30:21):
these people will just sit withthem and provide the
companionship.
And it's, uh, the same person.
It's just a different kind ofcare.
And I wonder if that could besomething that you plug into
like a 10 Air Home Care servicesor even the va where, so that,
here's a question for you.
Do you have a memorable momentor story of connection between a
(30:42):
teen and a senior and a seniorthat really affirmed the mission
of what you're trying to do?
Is something that really stoodout?
Good question.
Chat, GPT, you're such a cheaterover there.
Honestly, what, what reallystuck out to me and what was
most memorable to me during thewhole process of initially
starting it off and kind ofgetting a lot of recognition for
(31:04):
it initially, um, was justseeing the, the comments and
just having the people that I.
Coming up to me in person, um,expressing their kind of, their
need for it, uh, whether it wasthem or if it was their, their
parents.
Um, and I don't think Irecognized the, the overwhelming
need that seniors were, um,having for just companionship
(31:27):
or, or cleaning in general.
Hmm.
Um, until I started gettingposted and having articles
written about me.
And, um, that's when, whenpeople were just, it was
overwhelming in the amount of, Imean, hundreds of.
Of people were, um, compingsaying like, wow, this is
awesome.
Like I need this So affirmingthis in California.
So wow, there's just love fromeverywhere.
(31:49):
And I think that that wassomething that was super
memorable for me is, um, knowingthat there was hundreds of
people that, um, are, arelooking forward to and excited
about, um, kind of what I wasbuilding.
And essentially there's, there'san element of adult daycare
there, but it's not branded asadult daycare.
I think adult daycare issomething that.
Many seniors would just go, it'sa little, yeah, yeah.
(32:10):
To me it's very demeaning.
Yes.
Okay, so, so I get that too.
I get a sense that this is astrong need and seniors welcome
this and they would probablylove this.
My question for you is you're a17-year-old man.
What evidence do you have thatyoung people are gonna wanna do
this?
Because the goal is to try toget young people to do this,
(32:33):
right?
Like this isn't for like30-year-old, uh, um right.
Caregiver professionals.
This is, you're trying to createa little bit of bond and stuff.
Is it because.
Like, do you have friends thatwould be interested in doing
this?
Yeah.
What's, where's, where's the,um, where's the interest level
do you think, based on your agein, uh, any kids wants to drop
their cell phone and go helpout, old, older folks help to
(32:54):
help you that scale?
Do you think that's a realthing?
That's, I mean, that's a greatquestion and I think that that's
something that was just moregonna be discovered through
experience.
But when I was.
Starting off, I was reaching outto my friends and just trying to
find out, um, what, whetherpeople would be interested in
kind of joining in and, um,doing what, um, doing what we do
(33:14):
with seniors.
Um, and honestly I feel like Idon't remember not having, um,
people willing to help out.
And um, and I think also.
When you kind of surroundyourself with Exactly.
With people.
I'm, I'm in omi, so Yeah.
There's a lot of kids there thatare just, they're great.
Yeah.
I mean, they, they, it's kindaone of those when, you know, you
know, I mean, well, yes.
(33:35):
And that, that will, that willplay into the kind of people you
find and believe me, I'm, I'mnot, I'm not asking that to,
like you were one of thosepeople.
Oh yeah.
Oh, I would've loved it.
Totally.
I would've too.
I worked in a nursing home forGreat Safe.
I still wanna go and play musicfor, you know.
Play, you are my sunshine for,for seniors, and they'll love
it.
Um, but I love the idea.
So that's why I'm, I'm hopingthat that's where you're finding
(33:55):
good people.
I love that idea of it, but Ihave some reservations and, and
the stereotype of, you know,teenagers is like, they're gonna
wanna play video games.
Well, and again, I think that, Ihope I'm wrong.
I think that it's of the, thevetting process.
Yeah.
So when you're ready to launchthis thing for real, like
launch, launch it.
(34:15):
You know, between now and then,I'd love to continue to, to, to
stay connected with you and ifthere's anything that we can do
to help you sort of, you know,formulate what this thing looks
like.
There are social workers when,when my dad was in the hospital,
for example.
Um, if I hadn't been a personthat lived in town, I would've
been invited to participate in acare conference over the phone.
(34:38):
And if I'm a social worker andI'm aware of a, a, a, a program
that you've got, um, you know,not only does it provide the
cleaning services, but you know,this young person's gonna come
over and, you know, play cardswith you every once in a while
after they get done, you know,cleaning your bathroom in your
kitchen.
I just think that the.
Yeah, there are so manydifferent ways, you know, dots
(35:01):
that you can connect to makethis thing a go.
You gotta make sure thatwhatever name you decide to f to
go with, that you trademark, andthat takes a little bit of work.
Make sure that you, uh, youknow, I'm gonna say get the 5 0
1 C3, uh, nonprofit statusbecause I do think that people
would support this financially,including the people that you're
(35:25):
caring for.
You know, if they found value inwhat you're doing, you know,
that might be something thatthey would leave some money in
their will, for example, to, tothis organization that helped
me.
I got all kinds of ideas.
If you could get this off theground.
Um.
And you probably you.
I'm not doubting you will, youwill get this off the ground.
(35:45):
Can you imagine the connectionsyou're gonna make with people?
Oh my God.
Can you imagine what you mightbe putting forth in someone's
career?
A young person who does thistotally.
Now they're like, oh, I likethis.
They could, I mean, they couldbe starting an entire career in
caregiving or something likethat.
Yeah.
I'm interested in geriatricnursing.
I'm interested in elder law.
No kidding.
Be a doctor.
I mean, there's all kinds ofdifferent opportunities.
(36:05):
Dude.
He's onto it.
And the other thing is, is whenthose people are trying to get
into law school or get intomedical school, or get into
nursing school, to have this asone of their resume fillers,
bingo.
Critically important.
You know what?
It shows their character.
It shows their character.
We've been on for how long?
About 39 minutes, but Oh my God.
Than Native Earth.
(36:25):
I was just, I was just gonnasay, uh, resume filler.
Maybe we could come up with amore euphemistic, uh, sounding.
Well, why don't you work on thatbetween now and next week.
It is what it is.
What do you got there?
Okay, on that note, thank youJalen.
Jalen, thank you very much.
Good to meet you.
Good luck to you.
Good luck Jalen.
Steve, it was great to meet you.
And off we go.
(36:48):
Keep playing that tune.
We're on a mission from God.
That's right.
That's right.
Welcome to the KindnessChronicles, where once again, we
hope to inject the world with adose of the Minnesota kindness
that it desperately needs.
Got Steve Brown in the studio.
Hey, what's up?
We gotta talk to you about yourbig weekend.
Big weekend.
(00:32):
Hey.
Hello everybody.
Rockstar weekend.
We got the, uh, the intern Jeff,who's been having a lot of fun
with, the soundboard.
He's now an engineer.
He's not just the, uh, internanymore.
He's Jeff, the engineer.
Jeff the engineer.
Very nice.
Yeah.
Good to be here.
Huh?
Do you working on the railroad?
All the live long day.
He's got a hat.
Uh, we have a guest we'llintroduce here shortly.
Yeah.
(00:52):
In studio.
Yeah.
Uh, but we, uh, he gets to seeall Behind the Magic KG is
unable to join us because his,uh, special friend is making him
go to a dinner tonight.
Unavoidable.
He said he'd much rather be hereand she doesn't listen to the
podcast, so we should be fine.
Yeah.
But Steve, let's start with you.
Yeah.
You're out in Hutchinson.
Yeah.
(01:12):
Big fun.
Far West West, far West T Trick.
We haven't played an outsideevent for a long time.
We're mostly playing in a darkbar, so it was super fun.
The people were awesome.
It was a really organized event.
The old school fans came outtathe woodwork.
Really?
But did you do your And my, myfamily, like my, my kids were
there, all their friends werethere, so they came in with
(01:34):
Johnny Clue fan club tshirtstuff.
Oh, sweet.
So they all had t-shirts.
I love it.
So they came in right when westarted and like, it was kinda
like, you know, it was veryfunny that they were there, you
know, singing and dancing, allthe songs.
But what I was gonna say was, itwas a challenge.
We had one hour to do, reallyget my band's, you know, whole
show done in an hour, get'em upand get people going.
They're all sitting in loungechairs.
(01:55):
Oh no.
You know, and, uh, lounge chairsall over the place.
It's, oh boy.
Like a thousand people in, youknow, they're just.
You know, looked like they'rejust, oh, they all looked
elderly, but it was youngerpeople's, like, you know, 50
something year old people.
Well, they came to drink somebeer and sit and Right.
So I was like, oh, this is gonnabe tough.
And we kind of got going and Igot'em clapping along and I, we
did the drink toast.
We have all these things that wedo to get people going.
(02:16):
And people were, as soon as Igot'em clapping along.
Okay, that's good.
We got'em going.
We fired through our set listand it was super fun and we had
a great time.
And we, uh, uh, so we, we sold abunch of t-shirts and some
stickers and people were reallykind of into it.
We signed autographs after Ohwow.
Fun.
Like a real, like a real band.
And then I got, I got a, asurvey after the fact.
(02:37):
They, they wanted to take asurvey with all the people that
were there and all the bands.
And they showed the graphic of,uh, Martin Zeller and like these
other bands.
And they have a picture of me inthere.
It's a horrible picture of me.
Oh, no, I can't imagine that.
I'll show it.
I just, I'm in action.
I look a little, you know, I'mkind of squished up and I'll
show you the picture, but I'mlike, that's what they Well,
that's Steve.
That's how you look.
(02:57):
I know, it's okay.
I mean, that's, how far isHutchinson?
It's a hour and a half west of,uh, the Twin Cities.
They're made from my house,which is, you know, and you
stayed overnight.
I camped out in the, in thefeet, in the woods.
In a, in the park.
What a terrible idea.
Ah, it was great.
But are you an outdoorsman?
My, my family, my boy is, ohyeah.
(03:19):
Both my boys are, they love it.
And, uh, all their friends,they're so super fun.
We had three tents, but I slepton the ground.
I slept on a little mattress.
Oh God.
Super uncomfortable.
It was the worst part about it.
Otherwise, everything else isfantastic and for that reason.
I'm out.
Well, John, here's the thing.
Can you mention the, my Z guysare age.
Gotta get up.
You gotta get up and use therestroom middle of the night.
Right.
But you can be right outside.
(03:40):
That's true.
Well, yes, but you still, youknow, I go to, I went to sleep
in my pants and my, you know,I'm, I'm have to get up and get
out of the tent.
I don't have shoes.
Like I'm not gonna put my bigboots on.
So I'd like to walk out in thegrass and like it, it's just
hanging outside the, the, thedoor, the campsite's full of
people and it's silent.
Nobody's gonna see it's darkout, whatever.
(04:01):
Oh, it was super great.
We had a great weekend.
Oh, that's fantastic.
And, uh, people loved seeing usoutside.
Was it hot?
No, it was a beautiful day.
Okay, so no humidity?
No.
No humidity and there's nothinglike a campfire breakfast.
What did you make your family?
Uh, I didn't make it.
My son made us all coffee and wehad granola bars.
Okay.
They, they made steak and eggs.
Ooh.
We left, but they made somefood.
Wow.
Fun with their whole gang.
(04:22):
Huh?
They camp out a lot.
Yeah.
My kids, my kids are big campersactually.
Huh.
If I had more gear, I'd be wayinto it.
It was just not thatcomfortable.
I'd be into the gear.
I'd like to have the gear.
Yeah, you'd have to have goodstuff.
Yeah.
That's what makes it better.
So when I used to take my kidsto Cub Scout camp.
Yeah.
I don't know if we've evertalked about this, but.
I would always rent a hotel verynear the camp, like, yeah.
(04:45):
Did you ever go to Felipo or, orCannon River Scout reservation?
Yes.
So I would go into Canon Fallsand I would stay at the, uh, the
hotel in Cannon Falls.
You were really rough in it.
And you'd come back in themorning absolutely chipper like
you were out And if I didn'tlike what the meal looked like,
I'd go to the pizza place forlunch.
Yeah.
I wasn't a very good scouter.
You're not a, you're a, you'rean endorse I'm an avid
endorsement, yeah.
Yes, avid endorsement.
(05:06):
Jeff, what did you do thisweekend?
Boy.
Um.
You put me on this spot.
This is a long story becauseyou, he was working, I'm working
on engineering stuff and thenyou put it on this, um, what did
I do?
I worked on my yard.
I'm, I've got a big, I've, I'vepulled out a bunch of trees and
filling dirt in with it.
Yeah.
And um.
(05:27):
You know, coaching my daughterwho's in Boston, uh, we recently
moved her out there, so that'show, you know she's enjoying it.
But on Sunday nights we get Isshe going to school out there?
No, she's two years past school.
Okay.
And she's got a job out theredoing, what is she doing?
She works at a company called EFTours.
EF is education first and she ishelping high schoolers.
(05:49):
Uh.
Plan, international traveltrips.
Oh, very cool.
Very fun.
It is.
She's excited about it.
So we've got a, we've got aguest that's patiently waiting,
wondering what have I gottenmyself into here?
His middle aged guy's talking,but I gotta tell you about this
guy.
I remember I was doing this,volunteer delio for the DECA
program.
Was it the DECA program?.
I got caught off guard and wrotea check to this program and I'm
(06:13):
a big maite guy as everybodyknows.
And, uh, you're Mr.
Maite, I think.
Yeah.
And this young man came up tome, fabulous.
Had a hair, very unforgettable,super gregarious.
I was thinking that he wasgraduating senior.
Turns out he was only a junior,so he is got a whole nother year
of high school.
reached out to me on LinkedIn.
And, I immediately rememberedwho this kid was.
(06:36):
I'm sorry I'm calling you a kid,but, he's a young man.
He's got better facial hair thanI do too, but that's a whole
nother situation.
But he, recently won,, arecognition for a program that
he put together and is going tocontinue to put together.
And the, lad has entrepreneurialspirit to burn.
He's got great pipes for, uh,for a podcast, that's for sure.
(06:57):
Yeah.
Welcome to the KindnessChronicles Jalen Jones.
Woo.
Great to have you.
Happy to be here.
Jalen, first and foremost, tellus, uh, a little bit about how
you made your way to Maida.
'cause you're, are you anOakdale resident?
Yes.
I'm, I'm from, originally fromOakdale.
So, uh, I made my way to Mamitamy 10th grade year.
(07:18):
So.
Um, throughout ninth grade I wasgoing to North St.
Paul, um, taking some businessclasses there, just learning
more about business.
Um, and then I decided to makethe switch to to, yeah, to.
Very good.
Well, welcome.
We're happy you're here.
There's no doubt.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
Um, and you have a twin brother?
Yes, I do.
I have a twin brother, Jayden.
He's, he's at Madam with me.
He's playing football, so, uh,we're kind of on two different
(07:40):
ends of the spectrum, but.
But you're on the spectrum.
Just like Jeff There.
I said it.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
Get a sample in there.
So does your, does your, is hean identical twin?
Yeah, we're identical.
So do you guys ever have funwith that?
Uh, everyone always asks that,but that's, I'm very cliche that
way.
I think, uh, just consideringthe nature of our, our
interests, I'm really intobusiness and that stuff, the
(08:02):
classes that I take are.
A lot different than his, so Idon't know if he would ever, and
he is taking weightlifting,those kind of classes.
Okay.
Stuff like that.
So I don't know if he would everreally switch classes, but it is
fun to Okay.
Pretend like, does he have, doeshe have the same great hair that
you have?
Yeah, he does actually.
We both have, um, uh, big, uh,curly hair.
We actually both had our, ourcurly hair.
I was waiting for him.
(08:23):
To cut it first.
Okay.
Uh, before I did so I could justsee what it looked like.
But, um, yeah.
So I, uh, was, uh, brought to myattention that you, were
interviewed on the CBS, newsprogram., You and another
student that had, it was St.
Thomas student, so there you go.
I'm a Tommy, so she must befantastic.
Hmm.
Um, but tell us about thisprogram and, uh, how you came up
(08:47):
with such a great idea.
Yeah.
So, uh, I honestly can'tremember who, um, kind of made
me aware of this award or thiscompetition that was going on.
Yeah.
And what's it called?
Uh, youth Sparks.
Um.
It was Youth Sparks likeinnovative idea competition.
Okay.
So through that I, or thatcompetition, I was just kind of
(09:08):
thinking of some different ideasthat I could potentially submit
to the, uh, competition.
And I've done a internship with,his name is Israel Tolu.
He is the CEO of uh, blue NestConnect, and that's another kind
of d, senior related business.
Okay.
That focuses on teaching.
Um.
Digital literacy skills.
(09:28):
Oh, okay.
And kind of teaching workshopswith that.
And they are building asoftware, I believe, to kind of
make the process of using adevice or using technology
simpler for seniors.
So Cool.
Um, I kind of joined that reallyearly on when he was starting
off, so I got a lot of goodexperience just learning from
him and, uh, kind of learningthe.
The industry for seniors, justknowing the different problems
(09:51):
that they do kind of strugglewith and that we may not be able
to see.
So that's kind of where Ilearned my, where I became aware
of the problems that seniors arefacing.
Absolutely.
Hmm.
Uh, and then from there, I just,I worked with him for probably
four or five months, just Okay.
Helping out with some marketingrelated things initially, and
then, uh, kind of helping himfind some, some different
(10:12):
partnerships for initiallystarting out and then for the,
uh, the.
The, the competition, I was justthinking of some different ideas
that I could potentially submit.
And, uh, working with my grandmaa lot often too.
I, I often seen that she, shewould struggle with, with
cleaning around the house.
Yeah.
Or, um, kind of get into somespecific spots just, just
because of the health issuesshe's having with her back or
(10:35):
just stuff that happens when youstart to get older.
So You bet.
Absolutely.
Um, with those two things inmind, I, I kind of came up with
an idea.
Um.
Which I initially called JonesCleaning and Companionship.
Um, and then I then switchedthat over and rebranded to
Caring Touch Cleaning.
Um, and that business reallyjust focused on kind of getting
(10:56):
mainly teenagers, um, to go tothese seniors homes and, and
provide these companionshipservices.
Okay.
But also provide these cleaningservices because you do cease
cleaning services around.
Yep.
Um, even Minnesota or the us.
Not many cleaning services arespecifically tailored to seniors
or, um, and if they are, they'renot offering that companionship
(11:18):
service that, um, a lot ofseniors are needing nowadays.
Absolutely.
So, um, kind of brought allthose things together and, uh,
created a business out of it.
Just knowing the needs that, uh,seniors are facing now, um, and
kind of use it as a reciprocalbenefit for not only teens by
giving them kind of employmentopportunities and having an
opportunity to, um.
(11:39):
Kind of get in the community andhelp seniors out.
Um, but also help the, thechildren of seniors by kind of
taking something off their plateand, uh, allowing them to kind
of continue to, to work or dothe other things that, um, kind
of consume a lot of our livesnow.
But, um, I really wanted to useit as a, an opportunity to help,
help a lot.
Well, for starters, I have tofirst acknowledge, if you were
(12:01):
to close your eyes.
He sounds like a 30 5-year-oldguy.
I know.
The very clear thinking ideas,articulate great ideas.
And so you got that going foryou.
Good looking guy.
He's, he's like a businessmanalready.
Yeah.
He sounds like a business guy.
Yeah.
But the idea that you've come upwith, I gotta tell you, as the
son of, aging parents and weall, if we're lucky enough to
have our parents still around,they all will, have these
(12:25):
challenges.
It is such a brilliant ideabecause I think what it does is
it is it impresses upon youngpeople for starters that there's
something just beautiful aboutthat intergenerational
connectedness.
One of the things that wediscovered during COVID, and as
everybody knows I'm in thesenior care business, so this is
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really important to me, is thatloneliness was probably the most
difficult part of the wholeCOVID situation.
Yeah.
The fact that the state wouldn'tallow us to have.
Visitors come and visit seniors.
Yeah.
Uh, that's rough.
People that were, that weredying from COVID couldn't have
visitors.
It was just awful.
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What we did do is we went outand bought a whole bunch of
iPads and we trained all ofthese seniors how to use
technology to connect with theirloved ones, and ultimately it
turned out really great becausethey had the chance to connect
with them in a much moremeaningful way.
But it's much different whenit's in person.
Yeah.
And I remember when I was, uh,when I was younger, I had a
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couple of, uh, great aunts anduncles that my, uh, grandma and
grandpa encouraged me to go andcut their grass and do these
different things with them.
And I have one really fun storyas it relates to that.
My grandma Kate had a brothernamed Bob Garvey and Bob Garvey
was single guy.
(13:48):
Uh, he had a a, a son, but hiswife had passed away and he
lived in the Mounds Park area,uh, mounds Park area, St.
Paul.
And I really like this guy.
I just got a kick out of him.
I think he worked for years atlike the Hams Brewery or
something.
He always had chewing tobaccoin.
Mm-hmm.
And one day, what are thoseguys?
(14:09):
He asked me if I wanted to havea dip.
Oh boy.
And I thought, this is the day Iam gonna do it.
You were in high school?
Went over I was in high school,yeah.
Probably like ninth grade.
Yeah.
I went over and I, he waschewing Copenhagen, so I took a
thing at Copenhagen, put it inmy lower lip, didn't know what I
was doing.
Immediately got a buzz from it.
Yeah.
Immediately got a buzz.
(14:30):
And then I looked over and hetook the dip outta his mouth and
put it back in the can.
What?
I was chewing already beenchewed.
A, B, C dip.
A B, C, Copenhagen.
So I called it a B, c, D.
Already been chewed dip.
What?
Yeah, I just, you know, I wantedto barf anyways from the
Copenhagen.
Right.
But that just put me over theedge.
(14:51):
He was the guy.
Like he'd have these, he hadthese permanent stains down the
side of his cheeks where the, ohno, it was, but you know what?
A lovely guy really, Hey, he wassharing with you.
He wanted me to experience that.
I really, I really bonded withhim.
Yeah.
But the point of that story is,I mean, he loved the fact that,
you know, yeah.
I mean he, I think he may haveoffered me a beer and I'm like,
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you know, I don't think we'regonna do that quite yet.
We're not going that far.
Yeah.
We're not gonna go, um.
Yeah, I think it's a, it's abrilliant idea.
I think so too.
I have some questions.
Go ahead.
I bet you do.
I was just wondering, you hadmentioned Deca and I looked it
up, is that DistributiveEducation Clubs of America?
Yes, that's, yeah, that standsfor, alright.
And so I'd love to hear abouthow this factors into all that,
(15:33):
but go ahead.
It's like business club, isn'tit?
Yeah, that's what it, exactlywhat it is.
Um, DECA, so it's.
It's kind of hard to explainwithout actually being able to
see it, but, um, we do a lot ofkind of deca or business related
things around the school.
So we'll do like local popupshops with, uh, kinda local
businesses in the school andkind of do events, um,
school-wide, but we compete alsoagainst kids across the, um, the
(15:55):
world really.
Um, so, so business ideas.
Um, so there's so many differentcompetitions you could do.
So you could do like, um, astartup business plan.
So you're kind of creating abusiness.
You could do franchise businessplan.
Um, a lot of'em are role plays.
Um, so you kind of sit down witha judge or two and oh yeah,
you've been the go through thegauntlet that you've been,
you'll take a role, take on arole as like a director of
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marketing or director of operatman operations, and they'll kind
of give you a story andsomething that you have to
figure out and solve and, andthat's kind of how you, that
compete.
That's cool in that, uh,category.
There's a lot of different, um,um, kind of events that you can
do for Deca, but, um, I met Johnthrough Deca though, um, because
we were hosting, um, I'm thepresident of DECA at Madami, so
we do a lot of, um.
(16:38):
Prep for competitions and uh,that's a lot what kind of falls
on me and the advisor.
So, um, we were planning thiskind of prep day where we had
local business professionalscome in.
Business professionals.
Yes, that's right.
What were you doing there?
Business.
I was doing business.
We wanted, uh, some localbusiness professionals to give
us some feedback and kind ofhave some.
(16:59):
Relevant, uh, feedback.
So, were there donuts available?
There weren't donuts, but remindme again, what, what's your role
on Deca?
You're the, the president, thepresidency.
Oh, good for you.
Okay.
I have a question for you.
Go ahead.
Um, how do you, how do youenvision this?
I'm, I'm curious, um, this idea,I think it's a great idea as
(17:20):
well.
Kids sign up for it.
Um, you maybe have a team, butlike, how does the actual.
Uh, visit, go.
Did they arrive and go.
Hey, Gloria.
Oh.
I'm blah, blah, blah, I'm hereto help.
Um, what would you do?
Do they, is there a phase wherethey, they talk a little bit?
Well, for starters, can we, canwe go back?
I know how that works.
(17:41):
I want you're, you're kindagetting ahead again, I dunno
what the, what division is.
I'm wondering how do you getclients?
How do you get the employees?
Yes.
Can we start there?
Let's start with, could we evengo back?
Oh, no.
And did did you do some productdevelopment, for example, with
your grandma Shonda, is it?
Mm.
And so did you.
Have this idea and starttalking.
How do you know that already?
Well, chat GPT Really?
This guy is a, a creeper.
(18:03):
I do a little bit of researchbefore.
Well, what's her birthday?
I don't have that.
I can look it up.
What's his brother's middlename?
No, I don't want to freak himout too badly.
But, but did you Yeah.
Did you, did you start with yourgrandma and kind of socialize
the idea and get some ideas andthen I'd love to Yeah.
Learn about the time, the lifecycle of how it all came about.
Yeah, sure.
So, um.
Kind of initially when I was, I,when I was doing my internship
(18:24):
for Blueness Connect, just kindof learning about the, uh, the
senior space, um, kind oflearning about the problems that
they have and, um, kind of the,the things that they struggle
with.
I definitely wanted somefeedback from my grandma,
especially as, um, I was kind ofhelping the, the, the founder
with this startup.
Um, we were kind of in the earlystages, so we wanted to kind of
get as much information aspossible and, um, kind of share
(18:47):
the, share the idea so.
Initially I started just gettingfeedback from her learning
about, um, kind of the differentthings that she's struggling
with, um, but also just throughexperience, um, helping her, um,
kind of being at her house.
So most days she would need helpwith cleaning stuff or, um, just
kind of moving things around thehouse Yeah.
Or anything to do with that.
And.
Honestly, um, my grandma issingle, so she, there would be
(19:10):
days, I'm sure she's lonely and,uh, she, especially when, uh,
COVID was happening, um, I'msure that was the case for a lot
of seniors.
You bet.
So, uh, does she live near you?
She does live near me now.
She, uh, moved away.
Okay.
Kind of a little farther away, Ithink like 20, 25 minutes away.
Um, and that was during COVID,and then she moved back to, um,
kind of my neighborhood.
(19:31):
Okay.
So she lives closer by now.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but yeah, I definitely didhave conversations with her,
just trying to build the ideaand, um, kind of getting her,
her feedback as far as what,what approach we should take
with it and, um, kind of whatthings we should add to it that,
um, seniors would reallyappreciate.
So I did that.
And then also we, I did a, a.
(19:53):
Interview with NPR Radio with mygrandma as well.
So that was before I went on.
Cool.
Wow.
That was before I went on WCCO.
I did a interview.
Oh, good for you.
We saw that.
That was great.
You did a great job.
Yeah, that was really fun.
I was extremely nervous, but Ihad a really fun time.
You seemed nervous, but you goteverything communicated
(20:13):
perfectly.
Yeah, I was practicing that.
I didn't think he seemednervous.
I seem, I, you just seem likeyou really, I know you're a
professional though.
You know, you, you wanted to getall this information out and you
did.
I could tell that you, yeah, youhad to get a lot out in a short
amount of time too.
Yeah.
So let's go back to this.
Is the business up and runningor is this still in, ideation
phase right now?
Yeah, it's still honestly inideation phase where,'cause I
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just needed help honestly,getting it started.
I started it when I, well, theidea initially came when I was
pretty young.
So you're still pretty young.
Yeah.
Still, still, still prettyyoung.
But, uh, you, you don't soundlike it, but you're a young man.
Um, so kind of having thoseideas and trying to.
Put them together.
And I think when I had all ofthis media recognition and kind
of having all these peopletrying to get my, uh, attention
(20:58):
and yeah, wanting to know more,I think it, it overwhelmed me a
little bit.
Of course.
And I think also I tried to, um,launch it way too fast.
And I think that that, and.
Hurt me a little bit when Iinitially was just trying to
start because I was kind ofgoing back and trying to fix
things and trying to, oh, well Iguess I need that too, and I
guess I'm gonna need that too.
So, yeah, you don't have thereally any experience with it
(21:20):
yet.
You're just trying to gather agreat idea.
Okay, so Here's my first pieceof advice.
Oh, we're already starting.
Well, I just, I'm gonna go rightinto it because the road to hell
is paved with good intentions.
Mm-hmm.
And there's a lot of great ideasthat nobody executes on.
I get the sense from talking toyou for 15 minutes, that you're
a guy that's gonna get shitdone.
Yeah.
There I said it.
Yeah.
Swear.
Swear word.
I said swear word.
We're not supposed to swear onthis.
(21:41):
I'm not editing that out.
So, anyway.
The first thing is, is youshould go to the University of
St.
Thomas.
They have the Schultz School of,entrepreneurship.
We'll get you a full scholarshipto go there.
Um, the idea is a brilliant ideait's funny'cause Jeff and I
immediately thought of the samething.
You know, the guys that startedtwo, uh, two men in a truck.
(22:04):
Yeah.
They're everywhere.
Yeah.
That has become this hugefranchise and not only does your
idea,, check a box when it comesto a need that people have in
terms of, cleaning the house,like something tangible that you
can see, but there's also thatemotional connection with people
and, those relationships lean onthat.
(22:24):
Those are relationships thatcould go on for many, many
years.
Um, I was with a couple todayand, they didn't have any
children.
They're in their nineties.
What do those people do in termsof, who's going to be the
trustee of my trust or who'sgoing to be the executor of my
estate?
And not that that's themotivation for doing these
(22:45):
things, but that's reallyimportant for these people.
Those people, especially thosethat don't have children.
Or they don't have children thatare living near them or
grandchildren,, this is like thegrandchild that you never had
kind of an opportunity.
And let's face it, they'retargeted by fraudsters that
wanna go after'em.
So to have a trusted person tohelp them, which yeah, which is,
(23:08):
you know, is also an importantconsideration.
I mean, you gotta make sure thatthe people that you're vetting
really, that you're bringing onboard are, uh, are people of
high integrity because, there'ssome liability possibilities
there.
Well, you know, the Seinfeldwhere they were over there
getting, uh, record records fromthe, uh, old people.
Thank you very much.
Um, okay.
Now, now, now to my question.
(23:29):
I wanna hear your vision for,how do you, how does one
experience go?
Like if you send people to thehouse, how does that work?
Like, just walk me through whatyou're thinking and what, how it
would work.
Sure.
So honestly, I was kind ofstruggling with the idea of
coming or not coming up with,uh, deciding whether.
Would it be one person on, onthe job?
Would it be two people on thejob?
(23:50):
Mm-hmm.
So.
What I'm thinking is having oneperson go, I did initially
create a website for thebusiness and I had all the, um,
kind of booking information onthere.
So that's where it kind ofstart.
Yeah.
And something that I was reallytrying to focus on with, um,
kind of my target market andwhile I was.
(24:11):
Really trying to spec, uh,target seniors and trying to
help senior citizens.
I, I didn't necessarily want thecost to fall on seniors, or I
didn't really want them to haveto, um, kind of reach out and,
and have to go access it.
Um, themselves just because Iknow that, uh, seniors aren't as
Yeah.
As digitally literate.
So that's savvy.
Yeah.
Like that.
Um, so what I was really tryingto do is, is target the, the
(24:34):
children of seniors and, andtrying to, um, promote it that
way.
So, um, people that are a littlebit more tech savvy and, um,
have the money to do it, butalso, um, I'm not gonna feel bad
for, for taking their money for,or for also trying to help as
well.
So, yeah.
Um.
The, the, the process startsonline.
So the booking process and thengoing there, I was thinking
(24:57):
maybe doing like workshops orsomething like that where I was
speaking briefly about, uh,doing digital liter, digital
literacy stuff for my pastinternships.
So I have a little bit of kindof experience, um, in that field
and just knowing what, whatseniors are really struggling
with for uhhuh, um, digitally.
Um, so going in there, teachingclasses like that, um, and being
(25:19):
with the seniors and kind ofteaching them, uh, what's what.
Scam looks like and mm-hmm.
Okay.
And going in there and just kindof helping them learn the
different things.
But also, and what, what I loveabout that is that idea gives
you something for that visitorto, uh, to engage with them.
Yeah.
Let's start with this and kindhelp.
Something to start with.
(25:40):
Something to start with.
You know, in addition to thecleaning.
Hey, while I'm here, would yoube interested in this or even
have a, you know, a checklist ofthings that, you know, you might
be interested in.
Here's what you should do.
I'm just gonna get right afterit.
Yeah.
Okay.
Ideas from John.
I think that this lends itself,he's the professional sincerely
to be a nonprofit organization.
I think what you do is you, uh,you can work with different
(26:03):
senior care facilities,physician groups that, uh, work
with geriatric patients.
Some people don't have thewherewithal to, to financially
pay for a cleaning service.
Or a companion service.
That sounds kind of weird.
You know?
Companion service does.
That's, that's a, it's a wholedifferent direction's, a
(26:23):
different angle of the business.
I apologize for that.
We'll stay on track.
I apologize.
How old are you?
17.
We'll, stay on track for,pretend I didn't say that, but
you know, I'm sorry.
I just, where, why did my, whydid I say that?
Because you're a weirdo.
Okay.
I am a weirdo.
The point is I think that peoplewould be interested in
supporting something like thatbecause, the idea of a person
(26:48):
that's lonely, that's, that homeneeds some, some attention.
I think it just lends itself to,to fundraising.
And I think that's somethingthat I recognized too early on
that I feel like.
If I were to target the, thesenior homes or the kind of the
providers or the, the caregiversto seniors, um, and kind of
offer it as a, an amenity orsome sort of, um, kind of
(27:11):
service that they offerunderneath them, but, you know,
it's through me.
So, um, the cost wouldn't fallon seniors, but the, the senior
home they stay at, or, um, likeI mentioned earlier I, it sounds
kind of broad.
Um, when I visit my mom, I.
She doesn't live that far awayfrom me, but there's always
something that I could help herwith.
Her phone chores, like, yeah,well, no, like her phone or
(27:33):
setting or, so my wife does thesame thing for her mom.
She always has to resetsomething and you know, go, here
we go.
Just helping understand, youknow, going through digital
issues, that they're having realsimple stuff.
The other thing.
She needs something lifted,moved from down the garage,
outside, whatever.
Something real simple.
Light bulbs.
Yeah, light bulbs, anything likethat.
Um, sometimes some cleaning.
(27:53):
But my mom's pretty active.
She's, by the way, she wanted meto say hi to you guys.
Oh, great.
She's on the way over here.
So Nice.
But, so there's that.
And then there's, just sit down,have a cup of coffee and talk
with her.
So when I think about, uh, youknow, what you're talking about.
I feel like there's a big rangeof things.
And so this isn't medical, thisis not, you're not, people
(28:13):
aren't going there.
Uh, yeah.
You're not qualified for anykind of medical attention.
You're not, you're not visitingangels.
So I'm not gonna like countpills and do all anything
medical, but you're gonnabasically sit down with them.
Uh, v visit, maybe help withsome digital stuff, play cards,
maybe move some stuff around.
Uh, but are you cleaning?
Are you vacuuming?
(28:33):
Are you like sorting anything?
Yeah, I think that, um, sothere's cleaning as well?
Yeah, absolutely.
Some light cleaning.
I think that that's kind of whatit, I think that, um, the
companionship was more of thekind of secondary, the, the
twist and the, um Got it.
Got it.
The competitive edge, um, to thecleaning.
So I think that, um, whilethere's some senior business out
or businesses out there that dofocus on kind of senior home
(28:56):
cleaning or yeah, senior care orI think I even did see a couple
companionship services or seniorcompanionship services for, um,
while I was, uh, uh, starting upinitially.
But, um.
Okay.
Yeah, so, so it's cleaning withcompanionship connected to it.
That's, that's what the nameinstills as well, so I got it.
I'm, I'm just trying to put myhead on.
Yeah.
(29:16):
What, and, and, uh, my, my dad'sa veteran, um, very much in this
situation.
And, um, luckily the VA has beenreally great in Minnesota and
they've, um.
Contracted with a place called10 Air Home Care Services.
And so I wonder if there's apartnership angle here where,
um, for example, a nurse kind ofcomes in and oversees everything
(29:39):
and has even had to help set up.
You know, his, his pills, forexample.
Mm-hmm.
And things like that as aperson, just memory care kinds
of things.
Um, but then we started talking,her name's Jen.
She's the head nurse and she'sawesome and builds rapport and,
uh, just has already establishedsome great trust and a
(29:59):
relationship and there's a PTperson that comes in and helps.
But then we were starting totalk about my mom who needs
help.
Caregiver, um, assistance whereshe needs to just be able to go
and have a mental day off mentalcare day or go do practice, get
Exactly.
Go grocery shopping.
And so they're, apparentlythere's services where the,
(30:21):
these people will just sit withthem and provide the
companionship.
And it's, uh, the same person.
It's just a different kind ofcare.
And I wonder if that could besomething that you plug into
like a 10 Air Home Care servicesor even the va where, so that,
here's a question for you.
Do you have a memorable momentor story of connection between a
(30:42):
teen and a senior and a seniorthat really affirmed the mission
of what you're trying to do?
Is something that really stoodout?
Good question.
Chat, GPT, you're such a cheaterover there.
Honestly, what, what reallystuck out to me and what was
most memorable to me during thewhole process of initially
starting it off and kind ofgetting a lot of recognition for
(31:04):
it initially, um, was justseeing the, the comments and
just having the people that I.
Coming up to me in person, um,expressing their kind of, their
need for it, uh, whether it wasthem or if it was their, their
parents.
Um, and I don't think Irecognized the, the overwhelming
need that seniors were, um,having for just companionship
(31:27):
or, or cleaning in general.
Hmm.
Um, until I started gettingposted and having articles
written about me.
And, um, that's when, whenpeople were just, it was
overwhelming in the amount of, Imean, hundreds of.
Of people were, um, compingsaying like, wow, this is
awesome.
Like I need this So affirmingthis in California.
So wow, there's just love fromeverywhere.
(31:49):
And I think that that wassomething that was super
memorable for me is, um, knowingthat there was hundreds of
people that, um, are, arelooking forward to and excited
about, um, kind of what I wasbuilding.
And essentially there's, there'san element of adult daycare
there, but it's not branded asadult daycare.
I think adult daycare issomething that.
Many seniors would just go, it'sa little, yeah, yeah.
(32:10):
To me it's very demeaning.
Yes.
Okay, so, so I get that too.
I get a sense that this is astrong need and seniors welcome
this and they would probablylove this.
My question for you is you're a17-year-old man.
What evidence do you have thatyoung people are gonna wanna do
this?
Because the goal is to try toget young people to do this,
(32:33):
right?
Like this isn't for like30-year-old, uh, um right.
Caregiver professionals.
This is, you're trying to createa little bit of bond and stuff.
Is it because.
Like, do you have friends thatwould be interested in doing
this?
Yeah.
What's, where's, where's the,um, where's the interest level
do you think, based on your agein, uh, any kids wants to drop
their cell phone and go helpout, old, older folks help to
(32:54):
help you that scale?
Do you think that's a realthing?
That's, I mean, that's a greatquestion and I think that that's
something that was just moregonna be discovered through
experience.
But when I was.
Starting off, I was reaching outto my friends and just trying to
find out, um, what, whetherpeople would be interested in
kind of joining in and, um,doing what, um, doing what we do
(33:14):
with seniors.
Um, and honestly I feel like Idon't remember not having, um,
people willing to help out.
And um, and I think also.
When you kind of surroundyourself with Exactly.
With people.
I'm, I'm in omi, so Yeah.
There's a lot of kids there thatare just, they're great.
Yeah.
I mean, they, they, it's kindaone of those when, you know, you
know, I mean, well, yes.
(33:35):
And that, that will, that willplay into the kind of people you
find and believe me, I'm, I'mnot, I'm not asking that to,
like you were one of thosepeople.
Oh yeah.
Oh, I would've loved it.
Totally.
I would've too.
I worked in a nursing home forGreat Safe.
I still wanna go and play musicfor, you know.
Play, you are my sunshine for,for seniors, and they'll love
it.
Um, but I love the idea.
So that's why I'm, I'm hopingthat that's where you're finding
(33:55):
good people.
I love that idea of it, but Ihave some reservations and, and
the stereotype of, you know,teenagers is like, they're gonna
wanna play video games.
Well, and again, I think that, Ihope I'm wrong.
I think that it's of the, thevetting process.
Yeah.
So when you're ready to launchthis thing for real, like
launch, launch it.
(34:15):
You know, between now and then,I'd love to continue to, to, to
stay connected with you and ifthere's anything that we can do
to help you sort of, you know,formulate what this thing looks
like.
There are social workers when,when my dad was in the hospital,
for example.
Um, if I hadn't been a personthat lived in town, I would've
been invited to participate in acare conference over the phone.
(34:38):
And if I'm a social worker andI'm aware of a, a, a, a program
that you've got, um, you know,not only does it provide the
cleaning services, but you know,this young person's gonna come
over and, you know, play cardswith you every once in a while
after they get done, you know,cleaning your bathroom in your
kitchen.
I just think that the.
Yeah, there are so manydifferent ways, you know, dots
(35:01):
that you can connect to makethis thing a go.
You gotta make sure thatwhatever name you decide to f to
go with, that you trademark, andthat takes a little bit of work.
Make sure that you, uh, youknow, I'm gonna say get the 5 0
1 C3, uh, nonprofit statusbecause I do think that people
would support this financially,including the people that you're
(35:25):
caring for.
You know, if they found value inwhat you're doing, you know,
that might be something thatthey would leave some money in
their will, for example, to, tothis organization that helped
me.
I got all kinds of ideas.
If you could get this off theground.
Um.
And you probably you.
I'm not doubting you will, youwill get this off the ground.
(35:45):
Can you imagine the connectionsyou're gonna make with people?
Oh my God.
Can you imagine what you mightbe putting forth in someone's
career?
A young person who does thistotally.
Now they're like, oh, I likethis.
They could, I mean, they couldbe starting an entire career in
caregiving or something likethat.
Yeah.
I'm interested in geriatricnursing.
I'm interested in elder law.
No kidding.
Be a doctor.
I mean, there's all kinds ofdifferent opportunities.
(36:05):
Dude.
He's onto it.
And the other thing is, is whenthose people are trying to get
into law school or get intomedical school, or get into
nursing school, to have this asone of their resume fillers,
bingo.
Critically important.
You know what?
It shows their character.
It shows their character.
We've been on for how long?
About 39 minutes, but Oh my God.
Than Native Earth.
(36:25):
I was just, I was just gonnasay, uh, resume filler.
Maybe we could come up with amore euphemistic, uh, sounding.
Well, why don't you work on thatbetween now and next week.
It is what it is.
What do you got there?
Okay, on that note, thank youJalen.
Jalen, thank you very much.
Good to meet you.
Good luck to you.
Good luck Jalen.
Steve, it was great to meet you.
And off we go.
(36:48):
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