May 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Tom Mohr was struck by lightning and it changed everything. From that moment of literal shock came a spiritual awakening that would transform not just his own life, but the lives of countless business leaders he would go on to mentor and guide.
This conversation delves deep into Tom's remarkable journey from newspaper executive to digital media president to startup founder, revealing how each professional step prepared him to coach CEOs with extraordinary effectiveness. With five business books to his name, Tom brings profound insights about leadership and organizational growth that would be valuable on their own—but his story offers something even more powerful.
What makes this episode truly special is Tom's vulnerability in sharing his spiritual journey. After losing his mother to suicide at age eight, he rejected faith entirely until life-altering events set him on a new path. Now, as he prepares for his Difference Makers Retreat in Plymouth, Minnesota, Tom articulates a vision where faith calls us both inward toward personal growth and outward toward meaningful service.
The most inspiring moment comes when Tom addresses the common feelings of unworthiness and incapability that hold many back from making a difference. "Never underestimate the power of a committed person," he encourages, sharing stories of ordinary people who've created extraordinary change. His powerful statement that "God does incredible things with broken tools" serves as both comfort and call to action for listeners questioning their own potential impact.
Whether you're struggling to find purpose, looking to integrate faith with leadership, or simply searching for inspiration to make a difference in your corner of the world, Tom's wisdom will leave you believing in possibilities you hadn't previously imagined. Listen, be inspired, and then share this episode with someone who needs to hear that they too can be a difference maker.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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am your host, mike Rathbun.
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Hey, welcome to the showeverybody.
So so thankful that you arehere.
I'm grateful that you've chosento take 30 minutes out of your
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random people on the street,just you know, spread the word
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that there's a good, uplifting,positive podcast out there.
I know there's a few.
Let me be one of them, if youdon't mind, I would appreciate
that as well.
(01:47):
My guest today.
I could have written five pagesfor this intro but I had to cut
it down, so I'm going to miss aton of stuff.
But he is the founder and CEOof CEO Quest, where he helps
technology CEOs improve theirperformance so as to increase
company velocity.
He founded and run a startup.
(02:09):
He has led a $200 milliondigital media company.
He's raised lots of venturecapital money.
He's bought and sold companiesand participated on boards and
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he's learned many lessons alongthe way.
Oh yeah, he's also written fivebusiness books.
But Tom is more than just abusinessman.
Tom is more than just abusinessman.
He's also a husband, a father,a musician.
But for Tom, his most importantrole is child of God.
(02:57):
Welcome to the show, tom.
We'll get into what that meansa little bit, but welcome I'm
happy to have you here.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's a privilege, Mike.
Thank you for the opportunityto chat today with you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, it's so.
I'm not even sure how I foundyou, tom.
How did we find each other?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Don Prisby.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh, that's right, Don Prisby from the Blessing Post.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mind like a sieve anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Hey me too.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, but really there is so much to you, tom, I
mean, and I don't, I think mostpeople would say you know well,
I'm not just a one dimensionalperson, you're like what?
16 dimensional.
Let's talk about your businessexperience First of all you.
(03:43):
You founded and ran a startup.
What was that?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, well, just going back a bit, in the 90s I
had been a newspaper guy and in1990, I was recruited to join
the Star Tribune, and so thatwas when newspapers used to make
money.
Right, this was a previousphase of of our economy, uh, pre
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the internet sort of uh.
And so did that um work for Idon't know about a decade, uh,
at the star Tribune, ended up ashead of marketing and sales and
I ended up being recruited um,eventually out to with a little
stop in Nashville, we won't talkabout that but out to San Jose,
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california, and I worked forKnight Ritter Corporate where,
eventually, I became presidentof Knight Ritter Digital.
Now, knight Ritter was thesecond largest newspaper company
in the US at the time and I ranthe digital side.
And when it was sold and brokenup, yes, I started a startup.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Nice.
I've also had some experiencein the newspaper industry.
In the late 80s I was a routemanager for the Omaha World
Herald.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh sure.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Or the Weird Herald, as it was affectionately known
back then.
And you know, I look back atthat now and I'm like that was
wild, because they had twoeditions.
They put out every single day amorning and an afternoon.
Yes, and now.
Yeah, now it's all digitalright.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, it is so.
You know, I used to.
When I was at Knight Ritter, Iwas in charge of the classified
area of the business for all the32 newspapers owned by Knight
Ritter.
That was my first job beforebecoming head of digital.
And you know, gosh Craigslistjust cut the heart out of the
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classified business, right?
I never thought of that A10-person team sort of wiped out
one of the primary revenuegenerators of newspapers.
So the internet turned thingsupside down for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So then you started your owncompany, and what was that like?
What was that?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah.
So then you started your owncompany, and what was that like?
What was that?
Yeah, so it is.
The company is still going.
It's a digital platform forauto dealers.
That is when we initiallystarted it.
It was focused on moreeffective responses to incoming
leads Giving, as opposed tosaying, thank you for your
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interest in buying a car.
We'll get back to you in fivehours, if ever it's more along
the lines of you asked for thisvehicle.
Here's three options that areon the lot right now.
Here's exactly what it's pricedthat kind of thing.
So, yeah, we did that.
It was the most humblingexperience I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Startups usually are, aren't they?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah.
It was a really fascinatingjourney.
I thought I knew a lot aboutleadership when I started in
that company and you know whenyou're staring in front of a
whiteboard to start a companyand then you know dealing with
everything that comes all theway up to.
You know six years later wherewe have you know a large team of
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people and customers all acrossthe country.
It was unrelentingly hard, butit was a great learning
experience and it prepared me todo what I have done ever since,
which is to coach CEOs.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
CEO quest.
So now the train left thestation, Tom, so you help CEOs
improve their performance, right?
Is that what basically?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, basically what I tried to focus on is a
coaching model, not a consultingmodel.
So we get together with CEOsevery week for an hour and have
a conversation, and I decided to.
There were a lot of executivecoaches out there.
These play a very importantrole.
These are folks that areworking on the human dynamics of
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leadership and really focusthere.
That's certainly a part of whatI do, but I really have tried
to focus on what I call theapplied science of company
building and to really get intoa deep understanding of what it
takes to scale a company andhelp CEOs sort of sort out what
are the things standing in theway of us getting to the next
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level.
So, yeah, it's just been a joyand a privilege to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's so fun and then.
So how does one go aboutwriting five business books?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Have you ever heard the phrase trying to run around
the block to get to the head ofthe band?
I've never heard of that.
Okay, well, if you want tocoach CEOs effectively, you
better know what you're talkingabout.
And as I was in the midst ofthis coaching experience, I
recognized that not only werethey needing to be students of
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the applied science of companybuilding, so was I, and there's
no better way to be a studentthan to be a writer, because it
forces you to get your thoughtsorganized.
And so when I wrote Scaling theRevenue Engine, I had to think
deeply about marketing and salesand the whole revenue engine in
a way that I was able to usefor to coach more effectively,
and similarly for all the otherbooks.
(09:27):
So, uh, yeah it, it, it verymuch that, uh, and and just the
opportunity to to uh sort of beready that when I'm in front of
a CEO, I don't want to wastetheir money, I don't want to
waste their time, I want to bethere for them.
So I felt I needed to do thework, and I will admit, writing
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books is a lot of work.
But you know, I spent thousandsof hours writing those five
books.
It was a long time, but it wasworth it and I'm glad I did.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, oh, that's so fantastic.
And now anybody who wants tolearn about leadership and
business can go to your book.
Yeah, and they're all fivedifferent topics, right?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, correct, there are five.
We won't go deep into this, butthere are five domains of
company building that arerelevant.
The specifics change butthey're relevant at every stage
of company building and so youknow, scaling the revenue engine
was about, obviously, therevenue engine, the fit systems,
enterprise people design, thefour way fit, which is about,
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you know, not just productmarket fit, but market, product
model and team fit, et cetera,and it was just around trying to
get clear in my own mind andfor others what it takes to
build a good business, and I'vetried to support the CEOs I work
with that way.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
Okay, so we got the businessstuff out of the way.
Let's talk about faith, and youtake a kind of I don't know if
it's a unique approach, but it'sone that certainly piqued my
interest about the role of faithin improving people's lives.
(11:26):
That might be a little toobroad, but I think you know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, you know.
Because of the journey of mylife I have sort of been all
over the map, you know when Iwas a kid.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I grew up in a.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know my dad got us to the United Church of
Canada we were living in Canadaat the time which is sort of
this amalgamation ofPresbyterian, congregational and
Methodist, and so, you know,kid, you're just sort of take it
all in at face value and thatwas that.
(12:09):
And then, in the events of mylife, my mom, you know,
committed suicide when I waseight.
I, you know, totally abandonedany sense of any relationship
with God, rejected all that.
And you know, coming out ofcollege, I'm down in Florida
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with my girlfriend and anothercouple leading a relatively
dissolute life.
And on the way back one nightin a driving, torrential
rainstorm, I begin feeling thissense of dread and pull up into
the parking lot of our littletownhouse that we were living in
, stepped out of the car and washit by lightning.
That we were living in, steppedout of the car and was hit by
lightning, knocked unconsciousand literally crawled in after I
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came to into the townhouse.
And that was an opportunity tostep back and rethink my life a
little bit and, you know, cut tothe chase.
It took many years after thatfor me to begin on peeling the
soul tangles that I had going oninside of me, but over the
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course of time, I would say.
At first I grudgingly allowedGod to have one spoke on the
wheel of my life, and then I metthis girl.
She became my wife, you know,catholic, going to church every
week, and she sort of helped mecome back into the church and
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then to begin what became amulti-year journey, of sort of
coming to sense that, you know,not only did God love me, to
sense that, you know, not onlydid God love me, but he needs me
.
He needs me to be his hands andfeet in the world, and just as
he needs all of us, and there'sa purpose and a meaning to our
lives that goes beyond our ownselfish stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, people often talk aboutdoing something bigger than
themselves, and I think that'skind of where you're going with
that right and stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I've always been sort of conscious of the fact that
you know there's a lot of needsin our world.
There's, whatever context weinside, our families and our
communities and our churches andour cities, nation, world, you
know, no matter what level youlook at it, there's a lot of
needs and we've known and that'salways been true, of course.
But my dad was an activist, hegot in there and he joined that
board, he got involved in BoyScouts and, becoming a Boy Scout
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master he did things and Ithink that set for me a frame
that even as I was off in thewilderness in college and stuff,
I still would get active andstuff.
And you know it had been like Iwas on the board of the cookie
cart in North Minneapolis when Iwas there in the 90s when I
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went out to California.
I was on the board of thecookie cart in North Minneapolis
when I was there in the 90swhen I went out to California I
was on the board of Cristo ReyHigh School.
There's a Cristo Rey also inMinneapolis and you know prison
ministry stuff.
But so for me there's been thisjuncture between, you know, my
faith life, my consciousness ofthat as being important to me my
growing understanding of thepower of leadership and this
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sort of consciousness of thewoundedness of our world, and I
believe we are at a point intime in our world.
We're so divided, there's somuch conflict, that people are
yearning for meaning and purpose, and the world needs leaders to
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step up.
Not just any leader, though,leaders of goodness.
And so what I've been workingon the last four years focusing
on our Christian brethren andsister and whatever you know,
across all denominations, yeah,yeah, across all denominations
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is to say, look, if we are goingto call ourselves Christian, we
can't just focus on ourvertical relationship upward to
God.
That's important, the interiorjourney, union with God.
But as God calls us inward, healso calls us outward.
To see the guy lying in theditch the good Samaritan story.
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See the guy lying in the ditch,do something, get in there
whatever you're called to do.
Get in there whatever you'recalled to do, and I believe that
in servanthood, we can live outour true nature, that we were
born to have impact and to havemeaning in this world, and it's
not just about ourselves, it'sabout all those around us.
We're all connected.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, and I really feel that too.
I feel like, and this is not.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean, you're obviously Catholic and so you
speak a lot to the Catholicismportion, but this really goes
for all people of faith, rightfurther to say for of all people
you said it right of all people, and even non-faith like I
believe that in the heart ofevery human being is a desire to
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be good.
Yeah, and for me, that journeyhas led me into this deep
internal sense that God exists,that he loves, that he loves me,
that he's there for me, he's inme, with me and for me, and he
wants me to be in him, with himand for him, and to get out
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there and do something.
But I also know that we canjourney together with other
people with different sets ofbeliefs and work side by side
for the betterment of others.
It is absolutely.
Goodness is not exclusive toChristians.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No, yeah, we don't hold the patent.
That's right On goodness.
Yeah, and I think so.
As you're going through thisand as you're working through
this, you had an idea to bringpeople together and you've got
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it set up.
Now it's coming up on November8th, I believe.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And that's the Difference Makers.
Difference Makers Retreat.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Retreat, I believe, yeah, yeah, and that's the
Difference.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Makers Difference, makers Retreat, retreat.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, so the origin story is that in 2021, I made a
decision that I felt the need tospeak to a diverse you know,
interdenominational Christiancommunity about that.
Hey, we can't make this justabout our internal relationship
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with God.
We are being called to bedifference makers in the world,
and so I started by getting alist of people that worked at
churches all across NorthAmerica 40,000.
And I sent a weekly email everyweek in 2020, 2022.
The first 13 letters who is God.
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Second 13 letters who am I.
Third 13 letters where's theneed.
And the fourth 13 letterswhat's my call.
And that became my book LetterStrizing Leaders that I
published in 2023.
And last year did a podcastseries just covering the exact
same ground, which set me up forthis year and, to your point, I
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, in consultation with others,we decided the right next step
is a retreat, and so we're goingto hold this retreat called the
Difference Makers.
It's a half day retreat onSaturday, november 8th, at
Plymouth Playhouse Theater, atthe intersection of 55 and 494
in Plymouth, and we're going togo through the exact same
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journey who is God, who am I,where's the need, what's my call
and have a lot of music and,you know fellowship and you know
witnesses and everything else.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So it's going to be good, that's going to be
fantastic and for thoselistening outside of the
Minneapolis-St Paul area, that'sPlymouth, minnesota.
Worth a trip if you don't haveanything else to do on November
8th.
So you talk about our call, ourcall, and, as somebody who
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probably is not as active inChristianity or really any kind
of faith as I have been in thepast, my mom's looking down
disapprovingly being the staunchCatholic that she was.
People might say well, how do Iknow what my calling is?
You know, I don't hear God, Idon't hear whoever it may be,
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whatever deity you might worship.
So how do I know what mycalling is?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
you might worship.
So how do I know what mycalling is?
Well, I think the first thingthat that you know.
I my perspective is that um,consciousness of a higher power,
um, is going to ebb and flow.
Perhaps, and for some therejust might not be any felt sense
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that that's there, to the pointof saying, you know, I don't
believe in God and there'snothing wrong with that.
Here's what I say from myvantage point God believes in
you.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
God believes in you and, by the way, and again, just
my vantage point.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Not only that he loves you, it's on the scale of
judgment versus love.
It's all love, right, it's alllove.
And knows your potential, knowsall that your life can be about
.
And I don't think it's verycomplicated this thing about a
call.
I think what it is is that inour intentionality to live the
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good life, to be a contributorto humanity in whatever way that
manifests for us, we will bemade conscious of needs around
us at times when we have thecapacity to do something Now.
It's always going to be ourchoice, but if we are seeking to
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live the good life, I havegreat confidence that we will be
exposed to opportunities tostep up.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, yeah Is this like one of those things?
And I had a guest on.
He'll be the week before you.
His name is Rob Bergfolk.
He lives up in Anoka and he andhis wife were watching TV in
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2018.
And there were news reportsabout homeless encampments in
Minneapolis and they had videoof all these tents and the
propane tanks and all this, andI think any caring human being,
anybody with a shred ofcompassion, would say, oh my,
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that's horrible, right.
But he felt it a littledifferently and he said I think
we're supposed to do somethingabout that and it took a while,
but eventually he's worked up tothe point where he became
ordained and he's opened acoffee shop where they employ
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unhoused people, teach them lifeskills is that?
Is that kind of like whatyou're talking about there?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, sort of One of the privileges of being in
Northern California for 20 yearsand coaching CEOs many times
VC-backed CEOs that are in theirlate 20s, early 30s with hot
startup concepts.
I have become deeply acquaintedwith the capacity of human
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beings to move mountains.
I've seen it even in quiteyoung people, right, and what I
think often holds us back is wedon't feel worthy or we don't
feel capable.
One of those Either you knowwe're not good enough to be that
good person doing that thing orI'm not capable.
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Now, sometimes it's I don'tcare.
That's the third possibility,right, but you can care and not
feel capable, and myencouragement to every listener
is to know you are capable ofmassively more than you
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consciously are aware.
You're capable of doing and Ican say that with authority
because I've seen it time andtime again Never underestimate
the power of a committed personto make a difference, and so
believe in yourself.
And are you worthy?
None of us are worthy.
None of us are worthy, but Goddoes incredible things with
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broken tools.
He can change the world withbroken tools, and so we give
what we can as our contributionto this world and we let the
rest he'll take over.
He'll do the rest.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, I absolutely love that Because I think in
talking about capable, love thatbecause I think in talking
about capable, it's so easy tolook at this world and all of
the things that are broken in it, the hunger, the starvation,
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and your head goes.
That's too big.
I can't do anything about thatand it doesn't have to be a huge
problem.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Let me give you one example to make it real and
there are many.
I could refer to many, but I'llgive you just one.
I had the privilege andpleasure of meeting Bill Doherty
.
He's a professor at the?
U.
He has spent his life doingfamily counseling.
You know couples that arereally struggling, maybe almost
heading towards divorce, gettingin there and supporting them
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and helping them and coming outof the elections in 2016,.
He got a call from an associatesomebody in another city who did
the same thing.
An associate somebody inanother city who did the same
thing and he said hey, I'mconcerned about the level of
animosity going on in ourcountry here between you know
the community I see rightoutside of Omaha here, and you
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know my friend who has acommunity in Manhattan.
I mean, they just see the worldtotally differently and I'm
doing something about it.
I'm pulling together 10 Trumpsupporters and 10 Hillary
supporters to come together fora weekend.
And he said and I want you tofacilitate because you have your
family practice background hegot in there and he did this and
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, by the way, to prepare he hadwatched an Oprah thing where
they had done sort of a similarthing bringing together by the
end of the Oprah segment she wasgoing around asking how do you
feel about the future of America?
Half the people were sayingwe're headed towards civil war.
Right, that's what it was likefor her.
But he got in there and wereusing the principles of family,
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you know, counseling and support.
By the end of the weekend theywanted another weekend.
They were all friends and thisis a true story.
He did it for a state legislatorgroup that he won't name, the
state because it's private, andonly those who wanted to be.
I think they got 10 and 10Republican and Democrat state
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legislators together and thequestion he asked each of them
that broke everything open waswhat life experiences have led
you to your beliefs?
And in the going around itturned out that two of the
legislators had grown up in thefoster care system.
One had become a Republican,the other a Democrat.
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And as they went around, at theend of that whole session he
was asking what they feel aboutthe hope for the future.
And the Republican guy saidwell, I'll tell you one thing I
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can't fight somebody the way Iused to fight them when I've
come to know their heart.
And there's a difference maker.
Bill Doherty has gone on tostart Braver Angels, which has
chapters all around the UnitedStates.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I know Braver Angels.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, absolutely I can connect them.
You should get them on yourpodcast.
And whether it be terry esau,who started free bikes for kids,
or sister jean theroff, whostarted the cookie cart in north
minneapolis, people who had nobackground in it doubted their
capabilities, but something inthem said I'm gonna do something
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.
And there you go.
That's how the world changesfor the better.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's how we change the world.
And you know what?
Maybe it's one person at a time, but that's how we fix our
world, how we fix our country.
One person at a time or a groupCould be a group.
That's such a fantastic story.
Thank you so much for sharingthat, Tom.
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I am so excited for yourupcoming retreat.
I'm going to try to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Love to have you.
I would love to attend.
I would love to probably notspeak, just sit in to attend.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would love to probably not speak, just sit in,
well.
Ticket sales uh, ticket salesgo on uh on stream at uh on uh
July 21st, and so the site is.
If you go to the differencemakerssite, that's where our
website is.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We will have a link to that in the show notes and
also to your website.
And yeah, folks, just you knowwhat never think that you're not
good enough, not pious enough,not anything enough to be a
change in the world.
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Thank you so much for coming onthe show, tom.
I really, really appreciate itand I'm so excited for you and
your upcoming retreat.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And thank you for that.
But I want to thank you becauseyou are focused on kindness.
That's the whole thing you'redoing and, in using my language,
you are a difference maker.
So thank you for being who youare.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Maybe this is my calling I think it might be
probably is all right all right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Take care, tom, and we will talk soon take care hey
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Hey, welcome to the showeverybody.
So so thankful that you arehere.
I'm grateful that you've chosento take 30 minutes out of your
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podcast that inspires you oruplifts you or motivates you,
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that there's a good, uplifting,positive podcast out there.
I know there's a few.
Let me be one of them, if youdon't mind, I would appreciate
that as well.
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My guest today.
I could have written five pagesfor this intro but I had to cut
it down, so I'm going to miss aton of stuff.
But he is the founder and CEOof CEO Quest, where he helps
technology CEOs improve theirperformance so as to increase
company velocity.
He founded and run a startup.
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He has led a $200 milliondigital media company.
He's raised lots of venturecapital money.
He's bought and sold companiesand participated on boards and
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he's learned many lessons alongthe way.
Oh yeah, he's also written fivebusiness books.
But Tom is more than just abusinessman.
Tom is more than just abusinessman.
He's also a husband, a father,a musician.
But for Tom, his most importantrole is child of God.
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Welcome to the show, tom.
We'll get into what that meansa little bit, but welcome I'm
happy to have you here.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It's a privilege, Mike.
Thank you for the opportunityto chat today with you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, it's so.
I'm not even sure how I foundyou, tom.
How did we find each other?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Don Prisby.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh, that's right, Don Prisby from the Blessing Post.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mind like a sieve anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Hey me too.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, but really there is so much to you, tom, I
mean, and I don't, I think mostpeople would say you know well,
I'm not just a one dimensionalperson, you're like what?
16 dimensional.
Let's talk about your businessexperience First of all you.
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You founded and ran a startup.
What was that?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, well, just going back a bit, in the 90s I
had been a newspaper guy and in1990, I was recruited to join
the Star Tribune, and so thatwas when newspapers used to make
money.
Right, this was a previousphase of of our economy, uh, pre
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the internet sort of uh.
And so did that um work for Idon't know about a decade, uh,
at the star Tribune, ended up ashead of marketing and sales and
I ended up being recruited um,eventually out to with a little
stop in Nashville, we won't talkabout that but out to San Jose,
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california, and I worked forKnight Ritter Corporate where,
eventually, I became presidentof Knight Ritter Digital.
Now, knight Ritter was thesecond largest newspaper company
in the US at the time and I ranthe digital side.
And when it was sold and brokenup, yes, I started a startup.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Nice.
I've also had some experiencein the newspaper industry.
In the late 80s I was a routemanager for the Omaha World
Herald.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Oh sure.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Or the Weird Herald, as it was affectionately known
back then.
And you know, I look back atthat now and I'm like that was
wild, because they had twoeditions.
They put out every single day amorning and an afternoon.
Yes, and now.
Yeah, now it's all digitalright.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, it is so.
You know, I used to.
When I was at Knight Ritter, Iwas in charge of the classified
area of the business for all the32 newspapers owned by Knight
Ritter.
That was my first job beforebecoming head of digital.
And you know, gosh Craigslistjust cut the heart out of the
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classified business, right?
I never thought of that A10-person team sort of wiped out
one of the primary revenuegenerators of newspapers.
So the internet turned thingsupside down for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So then you started your owncompany, and what was that like?
What was that?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah.
So then you started your owncompany, and what was that like?
What was that?
Yeah, so it is.
The company is still going.
It's a digital platform forauto dealers.
That is when we initiallystarted it.
It was focused on moreeffective responses to incoming
leads Giving, as opposed tosaying, thank you for your
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interest in buying a car.
We'll get back to you in fivehours, if ever it's more along
the lines of you asked for thisvehicle.
Here's three options that areon the lot right now.
Here's exactly what it's pricedthat kind of thing.
So, yeah, we did that.
It was the most humblingexperience I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Startups usually are, aren't they?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah.
It was a really fascinatingjourney.
I thought I knew a lot aboutleadership when I started in
that company and you know whenyou're staring in front of a
whiteboard to start a companyand then you know dealing with
everything that comes all theway up to.
You know six years later wherewe have you know a large team of
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people and customers all acrossthe country.
It was unrelentingly hard, butit was a great learning
experience and it prepared me todo what I have done ever since,
which is to coach CEOs.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
CEO quest.
So now the train left thestation, Tom, so you help CEOs
improve their performance, right?
Is that what basically?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, basically what I tried to focus on is a
coaching model, not a consultingmodel.
So we get together with CEOsevery week for an hour and have
a conversation, and I decided to.
There were a lot of executivecoaches out there.
These play a very importantrole.
These are folks that areworking on the human dynamics of
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leadership and really focusthere.
That's certainly a part of whatI do, but I really have tried
to focus on what I call theapplied science of company
building and to really get intoa deep understanding of what it
takes to scale a company andhelp CEOs sort of sort out what
are the things standing in theway of us getting to the next
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level.
So, yeah, it's just been a joyand a privilege to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That's so fun and then.
So how does one go aboutwriting five business books?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Have you ever heard the phrase trying to run around
the block to get to the head ofthe band?
I've never heard of that.
Okay, well, if you want tocoach CEOs effectively, you
better know what you're talkingabout.
And as I was in the midst ofthis coaching experience, I
recognized that not only werethey needing to be students of
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the applied science of companybuilding, so was I, and there's
no better way to be a studentthan to be a writer, because it
forces you to get your thoughtsorganized.
And so when I wrote Scaling theRevenue Engine, I had to think
deeply about marketing and salesand the whole revenue engine in
a way that I was able to usefor to coach more effectively,
and similarly for all the otherbooks.
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So, uh, yeah it, it, it verymuch that, uh, and and just the
opportunity to to uh sort of beready that when I'm in front of
a CEO, I don't want to wastetheir money, I don't want to
waste their time, I want to bethere for them.
So I felt I needed to do thework, and I will admit, writing
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books is a lot of work.
But you know, I spent thousandsof hours writing those five
books.
It was a long time, but it wasworth it and I'm glad I did.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, oh, that's so fantastic.
And now anybody who wants tolearn about leadership and
business can go to your book.
Yeah, and they're all fivedifferent topics, right?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, correct, there are five.
We won't go deep into this, butthere are five domains of
company building that arerelevant.
The specifics change butthey're relevant at every stage
of company building and so youknow, scaling the revenue engine
was about, obviously, therevenue engine, the fit systems,
enterprise people design, thefour way fit, which is about,
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you know, not just productmarket fit, but market, product
model and team fit, et cetera,and it was just around trying to
get clear in my own mind andfor others what it takes to
build a good business, and I'vetried to support the CEOs I work
with that way.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
Okay, so we got the businessstuff out of the way.
Let's talk about faith, and youtake a kind of I don't know if
it's a unique approach, but it'sone that certainly piqued my
interest about the role of faithin improving people's lives.
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That might be a little toobroad, but I think you know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, you know.
Because of the journey of mylife I have sort of been all
over the map, you know when Iwas a kid.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I grew up in a.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know my dad got us to the United Church of
Canada we were living in Canadaat the time which is sort of
this amalgamation ofPresbyterian, congregational and
Methodist, and so, you know,kid, you're just sort of take it
all in at face value and thatwas that.
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And then, in the events of mylife, my mom, you know,
committed suicide when I waseight.
I, you know, totally abandonedany sense of any relationship
with God, rejected all that.
And you know, coming out ofcollege, I'm down in Florida
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with my girlfriend and anothercouple leading a relatively
dissolute life.
And on the way back one nightin a driving, torrential
rainstorm, I begin feeling thissense of dread and pull up into
the parking lot of our littletownhouse that we were living in
, stepped out of the car and washit by lightning.
That we were living in, steppedout of the car and was hit by
lightning, knocked unconsciousand literally crawled in after I
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came to into the townhouse.
And that was an opportunity tostep back and rethink my life a
little bit and, you know, cut tothe chase.
It took many years after thatfor me to begin on peeling the
soul tangles that I had going oninside of me, but over the
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course of time, I would say.
At first I grudgingly allowedGod to have one spoke on the
wheel of my life, and then I metthis girl.
She became my wife, you know,catholic, going to church every
week, and she sort of helped mecome back into the church and
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then to begin what became amulti-year journey, of sort of
coming to sense that, you know,not only did God love me, to
sense that, you know, not onlydid God love me, but he needs me
.
He needs me to be his hands andfeet in the world, and just as
he needs all of us, and there'sa purpose and a meaning to our
lives that goes beyond our ownselfish stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, people often talk aboutdoing something bigger than
themselves, and I think that'skind of where you're going with
that right and stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I've always been sort of conscious of the fact that
you know there's a lot of needsin our world.
There's, whatever context weinside, our families and our
communities and our churches andour cities, nation, world, you
know, no matter what level youlook at it, there's a lot of
needs and we've known and that'salways been true, of course.
But my dad was an activist, hegot in there and he joined that
board, he got involved in BoyScouts and, becoming a Boy Scout
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master he did things and Ithink that set for me a frame
that even as I was off in thewilderness in college and stuff,
I still would get active andstuff.
And you know it had been like Iwas on the board of the cookie
cart in North Minneapolis when Iwas there in the 90s when I
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went out to California.
I was on the board of thecookie cart in North Minneapolis
when I was there in the 90swhen I went out to California I
was on the board of Cristo ReyHigh School.
There's a Cristo Rey also inMinneapolis and you know prison
ministry stuff.
But so for me there's been thisjuncture between, you know, my
faith life, my consciousness ofthat as being important to me my
growing understanding of thepower of leadership and this
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sort of consciousness of thewoundedness of our world, and I
believe we are at a point intime in our world.
We're so divided, there's somuch conflict, that people are
yearning for meaning and purpose, and the world needs leaders to
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step up.
Not just any leader, though,leaders of goodness.
And so what I've been workingon the last four years focusing
on our Christian brethren andsister and whatever you know,
across all denominations, yeah,yeah, across all denominations
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is to say, look, if we are goingto call ourselves Christian, we
can't just focus on ourvertical relationship upward to
God.
That's important, the interiorjourney, union with God.
But as God calls us inward, healso calls us outward.
To see the guy lying in theditch the good Samaritan story.
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See the guy lying in the ditch,do something, get in there
whatever you're called to do.
Get in there whatever you'recalled to do, and I believe that
in servanthood, we can live outour true nature, that we were
born to have impact and to havemeaning in this world, and it's
not just about ourselves, it'sabout all those around us.
We're all connected.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, and I really feel that too.
I feel like, and this is not.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean, you're obviously Catholic and so you
speak a lot to the Catholicismportion, but this really goes
for all people of faith, rightfurther to say for of all people
you said it right of all people, and even non-faith like I
believe that in the heart ofevery human being is a desire to
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be good.
Yeah, and for me, that journeyhas led me into this deep
internal sense that God exists,that he loves, that he loves me,
that he's there for me, he's inme, with me and for me, and he
wants me to be in him, with himand for him, and to get out
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there and do something.
But I also know that we canjourney together with other
people with different sets ofbeliefs and work side by side
for the betterment of others.
It is absolutely.
Goodness is not exclusive toChristians.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No, yeah, we don't hold the patent.
That's right On goodness.
Yeah, and I think so.
As you're going through thisand as you're working through
this, you had an idea to bringpeople together and you've got
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it set up.
Now it's coming up on November8th, I believe.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
And that's the Difference Makers.
Difference Makers Retreat.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Retreat, I believe, yeah, yeah, and that's the
Difference.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Makers Difference, makers Retreat, retreat.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, so the origin story is that in 2021, I made a
decision that I felt the need tospeak to a diverse you know,
interdenominational Christiancommunity about that.
Hey, we can't make this justabout our internal relationship
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with God.
We are being called to bedifference makers in the world,
and so I started by getting alist of people that worked at
churches all across NorthAmerica 40,000.
And I sent a weekly email everyweek in 2020, 2022.
The first 13 letters who is God.
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Second 13 letters who am I.
Third 13 letters where's theneed.
And the fourth 13 letterswhat's my call.
And that became my book LetterStrizing Leaders that I
published in 2023.
And last year did a podcastseries just covering the exact
same ground, which set me up forthis year and, to your point, I
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, in consultation with others,we decided the right next step
is a retreat, and so we're goingto hold this retreat called the
Difference Makers.
It's a half day retreat onSaturday, november 8th, at
Plymouth Playhouse Theater, atthe intersection of 55 and 494
in Plymouth, and we're going togo through the exact same
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journey who is God, who am I,where's the need, what's my call
and have a lot of music and,you know fellowship and you know
witnesses and everything else.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So it's going to be good, that's going to be
fantastic and for thoselistening outside of the
Minneapolis-St Paul area, that'sPlymouth, minnesota.
Worth a trip if you don't haveanything else to do on November
8th.
So you talk about our call, ourcall, and, as somebody who
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probably is not as active inChristianity or really any kind
of faith as I have been in thepast, my mom's looking down
disapprovingly being the staunchCatholic that she was.
People might say well, how do Iknow what my calling is?
You know, I don't hear God, Idon't hear whoever it may be,
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whatever deity you might worship.
So how do I know what mycalling is?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
you might worship.
So how do I know what mycalling is?
Well, I think the first thingthat that you know.
I my perspective is that um,consciousness of a higher power,
um, is going to ebb and flow.
Perhaps, and for some therejust might not be any felt sense
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that that's there, to the pointof saying, you know, I don't
believe in God and there'snothing wrong with that.
Here's what I say from myvantage point God believes in
you.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
God believes in you and, by the way, and again, just
my vantage point.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Not only that he loves you, it's on the scale of
judgment versus love.
It's all love, right, it's alllove.
And knows your potential, knowsall that your life can be about
.
And I don't think it's verycomplicated this thing about a
call.
I think what it is is that inour intentionality to live the
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good life, to be a contributorto humanity in whatever way that
manifests for us, we will bemade conscious of needs around
us at times when we have thecapacity to do something Now.
It's always going to be ourchoice, but if we are seeking to
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live the good life, I havegreat confidence that we will be
exposed to opportunities tostep up.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, yeah Is this like one of those things?
And I had a guest on.
He'll be the week before you.
His name is Rob Bergfolk.
He lives up in Anoka and he andhis wife were watching TV in
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2018.
And there were news reportsabout homeless encampments in
Minneapolis and they had videoof all these tents and the
propane tanks and all this, andI think any caring human being,
anybody with a shred ofcompassion, would say, oh my,
(23:58):
that's horrible, right.
But he felt it a littledifferently and he said I think
we're supposed to do somethingabout that and it took a while,
but eventually he's worked up tothe point where he became
ordained and he's opened acoffee shop where they employ
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unhoused people, teach them lifeskills is that?
Is that kind of like whatyou're talking about there?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, sort of One of the privileges of being in
Northern California for 20 yearsand coaching CEOs many times
VC-backed CEOs that are in theirlate 20s, early 30s with hot
startup concepts.
I have become deeply acquaintedwith the capacity of human
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beings to move mountains.
I've seen it even in quiteyoung people, right, and what I
think often holds us back is wedon't feel worthy or we don't
feel capable.
One of those Either you knowwe're not good enough to be that
good person doing that thing orI'm not capable.
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Now, sometimes it's I don'tcare.
That's the third possibility,right, but you can care and not
feel capable, and myencouragement to every listener
is to know you are capable ofmassively more than you
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consciously are aware.
You're capable of doing and Ican say that with authority
because I've seen it time andtime again Never underestimate
the power of a committed personto make a difference, and so
believe in yourself.
And are you worthy?
None of us are worthy.
None of us are worthy, but Goddoes incredible things with
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broken tools.
He can change the world withbroken tools, and so we give
what we can as our contributionto this world and we let the
rest he'll take over.
He'll do the rest.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, I absolutely love that Because I think in
talking about capable, love thatbecause I think in talking
about capable, it's so easy tolook at this world and all of
the things that are broken in it, the hunger, the starvation,
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and your head goes.
That's too big.
I can't do anything about thatand it doesn't have to be a huge
problem.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Let me give you one example to make it real and
there are many.
I could refer to many, but I'llgive you just one.
I had the privilege andpleasure of meeting Bill Doherty
.
He's a professor at the?
U.
He has spent his life doingfamily counseling.
You know couples that arereally struggling, maybe almost
heading towards divorce, gettingin there and supporting them
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and helping them and coming outof the elections in 2016,.
He got a call from an associatesomebody in another city who did
the same thing.
An associate somebody inanother city who did the same
thing and he said hey, I'mconcerned about the level of
animosity going on in ourcountry here between you know
the community I see rightoutside of Omaha here, and you
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know my friend who has acommunity in Manhattan.
I mean, they just see the worldtotally differently and I'm
doing something about it.
I'm pulling together 10 Trumpsupporters and 10 Hillary
supporters to come together fora weekend.
And he said and I want you tofacilitate because you have your
family practice background hegot in there and he did this and
(27:53):
, by the way, to prepare he hadwatched an Oprah thing where
they had done sort of a similarthing bringing together by the
end of the Oprah segment she wasgoing around asking how do you
feel about the future of America?
Half the people were sayingwe're headed towards civil war.
Right, that's what it was likefor her.
But he got in there and wereusing the principles of family,
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you know, counseling and support.
By the end of the weekend theywanted another weekend.
They were all friends and thisis a true story.
He did it for a state legislatorgroup that he won't name, the
state because it's private, andonly those who wanted to be.
I think they got 10 and 10Republican and Democrat state
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legislators together and thequestion he asked each of them
that broke everything open waswhat life experiences have led
you to your beliefs?
And in the going around itturned out that two of the
legislators had grown up in thefoster care system.
One had become a Republican,the other a Democrat.
(29:02):
And as they went around, at theend of that whole session he
was asking what they feel aboutthe hope for the future.
And the Republican guy saidwell, I'll tell you one thing I
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can't fight somebody the way Iused to fight them when I've
come to know their heart.
And there's a difference maker.
Bill Doherty has gone on tostart Braver Angels, which has
chapters all around the UnitedStates.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I know Braver Angels.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, absolutely I can connect them.
You should get them on yourpodcast.
And whether it be terry esau,who started free bikes for kids,
or sister jean theroff, whostarted the cookie cart in north
minneapolis, people who had nobackground in it doubted their
capabilities, but something inthem said I'm gonna do something
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.
And there you go.
That's how the world changesfor the better.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's how we change the world.
And you know what?
Maybe it's one person at a time, but that's how we fix our
world, how we fix our country.
One person at a time or a groupCould be a group.
That's such a fantastic story.
Thank you so much for sharingthat, Tom.
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I am so excited for yourupcoming retreat.
I'm going to try to make it.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Love to have you.
I would love to attend.
I would love to probably notspeak, just sit in to attend.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I would love to probably not speak, just sit in,
well.
Ticket sales uh, ticket salesgo on uh on stream at uh on uh
July 21st, and so the site is.
If you go to the differencemakerssite, that's where our
website is.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We will have a link to that in the show notes and
also to your website.
And yeah, folks, just you knowwhat never think that you're not
good enough, not pious enough,not anything enough to be a
change in the world.
(31:17):
Thank you so much for coming onthe show, tom.
I really, really appreciate itand I'm so excited for you and
your upcoming retreat.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And thank you for that.
But I want to thank you becauseyou are focused on kindness.
That's the whole thing you'redoing and, in using my language,
you are a difference maker.
So thank you for being who youare.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Maybe this is my calling I think it might be
probably is all right all right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Take care, tom, and we will talk soon take care hey
guys, I want to thank you somuch for taking this time to
listen to this episode with myguest, Tom Moore.
I hope you were able to takesomething positive from the time
you spent with us.
(32:10):
Maybe you were inspired, Maybeyou were motivated, Maybe you'll
be moved.
If you experienced any of thosepositive feelings, please
consider sharing this podcastwith your friends and family.
Those positive feelings pleaseconsider sharing this podcast
with your friends and family.
I'm always striving to offeryou a better podcast, so give me
some feedback if you think Ineed it.
Let me know how you think I'mdoing.
(32:30):
Email me, Leave me a message.
It would mean the world.
Also, feel free to follow us onour socials like Facebook,
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If you have an idea for apodcast and need some production
(32:52):
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(33:17):
We'll be back again next weekwith a brand new episode and we
would be honored if you wouldjoin us.
You've been listening to theKindness Matters Podcast.
I am your host, Mike Rathbun.
Have a fantastic week.
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