November 19, 2025 • 40 mins
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In this episode, we sit down with the "Full Time Flipper," Tim MacLeod, who turned a side hustle into a six-figure business. He reveals the exact strategy he uses to flip couches for massive profit without doing any repairs.
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(00:00):
If you can carry in a stubborn load of groceries, you can make
10 grand a month of purple carriages.
Anybody who hates their job getsthe dopest gig.
The only way that I could stay afloat was just slamming 16 hour
double S and I was just headed towards like a mental health
crisis. So in my first half month I made
more in my evenings after full time work than I did my nursing
job. 2023 I did 183 K and that was with a three-year old in
(00:24):
tow. Wow it doesn't feel like work.
Lots of days off during the weekat $200 purchase or a $5200
sale. Whoa, I don't put pants on for
less than 1000 bucks. The time freedom is stupid.
Yeah, it's awesome. So the other day I'm swiping
Instagram as I do and I come across this guy called the Full
(00:46):
Time Flipper. And what does he do?
He flips couches in rural Canadaon Facebook marketplace.
He makes 6 figures a year working part time, golfing a
ton, he's got kids, his wife works and he just buys couches
and sells them. Or he gets couches for free and
gets paid to take them to the dump.
Or he sells the free couches. His name's Tim and what he's
(01:06):
doing could be replicated in anymarket, large or small.
If you like Shannon's episodes or the appliance insurance
rental stuff or the garage shelving stuff, you are going to
love this. Tim is a ball of energy and he
shares everything. He holds nothing back.
All the tactics are in here. Please enjoy.
Well, Tim, why don't you tell uswho you are and what you do?
My name is Tim McLeod. I flip couches.
(01:27):
Used to be a nurse. That was fun but just not enough
money. Kind of put myself in a hole
with adulthood. Got married really young, we had
one kid and that was good and then another kid on the way and
my wife was kind of at her limit.
The only way that I could stay afloat on this little financial
treadmill I got myself pinched on was just slamming 16 hour
double S and I was just headed towards like a mental health
(01:49):
crisis so needed something extra.
Overtime needed to be replaced desperately.
But all my options for replacingthe income sucks.
Like I could relocate or commutean hour away and make danger pay
like a mental health asylum withmy current nursing certificate.
Going back to school sucked. Like I scraped through the first
time, but the thought of going back was brutal.
I just needed to replace the overtime.
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I didn't want to overhaul everything, I just wanted to
replace the overtime. I just needed something extra to
take the edge off. And I had some success flipping
phones and iPads because that's all I really understood.
I've done that. These are worth 450 down the
city. There were 300 bucks because
saturated with inventory. It was kind of like a just
geographical arbitrage, bring them up to the stakes where
there was no supply and they moved way better.
(02:34):
And my in laws were in the city so it was easy go for a free
meal. Grabbed my phones, come back and
every single one was like a nursing paycheck because after
taxes was like 180 for a nursingpaycheck.
So a couple phones would take the edge off.
And then I had this terrible experience selling a couch
because so many people wanted it, but everybody is like, could
(02:54):
you drop it off? I'll pay your asking price, but
could you bring it by? I was like, no, with that little
Mazda file, I can. I was like, I cannot help you.
I'm so sorry. And then finally I hit a
deadline and my best option was some guy who was under asking
price because he had to go get aU-Haul.
He's like, could you do this? I got to rinse a thing.
And I was like, yeah, sure. And so who got paid?
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U-Haul got paid. It's like, hold up.
If I had a truck, I could have done that.
I'd lost 200 bucks for not owning a truck.
It was the dilemma. And so I pitched the idea to my
brother Ross, who's a business owner.
And the idea at first was an excuse to justify buying a Ford
Ranger because I thought it would make me feel like a man.
And. And that's a pretty small truck
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as far as trucks go. Small for a couch I was.
Driving AI was driving a Mazda 5at the time.
You know, the like mini, mini van, the little Ford upgrade.
So anything's an upgrade yet. And he said that's a cool idea
and I think that you'd be good at it.
Like the phones and iPads, things like you're really
reliant with that. But don't start 8 grand in debt.
That's so stupid. Just borrow my trailer.
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And I was like, I don't have a hitch.
She's like, go get a hitch. I was like, OK, so.
On your Mazda 5. Yeah, so I put AI put a $450
hitch and wiring on a 4 cylindercar, just put it on the visa.
My wife almost talked me out of it.
She's like don't do it. That's a terrible idea.
I was like, I can pay for the hitch.
Like that was that was my first goal was just pay for the hitch
break. Even on that if it's a failed
experiment, whatever. I know I can make 500 bucks
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after a couple whatever and the other experience So there was my
couch experience and then my in laws scored a sweet deal on
Bosch washer and dryer. Just someone who moved and the
new place had nice ones and theyhad already brought their old
ones so they just had double sets and nice stuff and same
thing truck privilege. My father-in-law got a sick deal
on washers and dryers so I thought I was going to be doing
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appliances and they even got thedollar for it.
But then the first day that I got the hitch, picked up the car
with the hitch on it, borrowed the trailer and I was like what
can I get? What can I get?
And the only thing was a free couch.
I was like. All right, let's do a couch.
You're just anxious to do something with this trailer.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anxious to pay off the hitch? Yep Yep, just itching for
activity and so I got a free couch.
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It was this beige microfiber hadsome, you know the ones that
just like hold every water stainthey get.
They get ugly so quick. It was one of those.
And so with 20 minutes in the driveway with a damp cloth, just
like make the whole thing wet and then it dries evenly and it
looks new for 5 minutes. So a free couch, little bit of
sweat equity and just a damp cloth and then just be in the
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dude with the trailer and it sold for 280 and a nursing
paper, a nursing shift was 180. So it's like.
Wow. So if I do, if I do like what
was the whatever math it was? I'm just like, if I do this many
couches. So immediately I called, I just
called scheduling office. I had the trailer, I had the
hitch couches. I was like, OK, I can do a couch
camp. That was easy.
I reneged on all my overtime. I called up the scheduling and
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said cancel all my double s. And I wasn't, I wasn't shift
work. I I barely touched my scope of
practice with nursing. Like I went straight to the
comfy job with a nursing home. 8hour shifts, free parking, 4
minutes from home. Just comfy comfy comfy.
I reneged on all my double S so cancelled all the two to 10
shifts. So just just my 6 to twos.
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So ten of those every pay period.
And then all day at work I'm just hiding in the Med room.
Just like shopping for couches, shopping for couches just lining
up an evening. Yes.
Are you still interested? Yes.
Are you still interested? And then just line up pickups
and my wife's at home with a baby and she's sending me
couches too. And we just line up profitably
evenings. We had a little sad season there
too, where we had a miscarriage.And so we're really itching to
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just get out of the house because just like the normal of
like come home from work, watch Office reruns or play Call of
Duty at the time was just so dark.
Like I just hated being home. We just needed a distraction and
couches was a beautiful little distraction.
So hit the road. And my first month I borrowed
the trailer on the on July 10th.What year was this?
(06:50):
2019 summer 2019 July 10 I got the trailer and in my first what
2/3 of a month? Half month?
I made more in my evenings afterfull time work than I did at my
nursing job. 3 grand profit and 2 1/2 weeks whatever.
And that was mostly free stuff. I was playing it super safe,
wasn't like 60 bucks for a couchset like couch love seat, but
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for the most part it was just like free 3 seater, free 3
seater just on repeat. Just rinse and repeat.
If you could go back in time, would you still start with free
stuff? Is that a good way to start?
Or knowing what you know now, you would have started
differently. If I could brain transplant into
like the confidence of just likethat's a $3000 sectional and
they're giving it away for $1000.
Like I have a different confidence now, but it was, it
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was so safe to slowly scale up And just like, OK, that's a,
that's a $250 couch, that's a $400.00 set.
OK. And then there was one time
where it was a leap of faith andanother like my wife trying to
talk me out of it. Don't do it, don't do it where I
spent 900 bucks on a lazy boy sectional is the big Gray and at
the time millennial Gray. Like everybody just wanted Gray
(07:55):
fabric sectionals. That's all anybody wanted.
And I had my eye on this sectional.
It was a 2 grand 1500. And then I saw the price drop to
1000 or something like that. And I got it from 900.
I had it firmed up for 900. She tried to talk me out of it
and I was like, I'm going to do it, I'm doing it and I bought
it. I think we're until like
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September now, so the days are getting a little shorter.
It came home in the dark. The next day I'm working or on
break. I head to the locker and do
photos and videos, measurements and stuff like that, list it
there and then drive back to work.
And by the time I got back to work it was firmed up at 1500
bucks. By the time you and it's a 4
minute drive. Yeah, with a $150.00 delivery,
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so a 750 profit on the don't buyit, don't buy it couch.
Yeah, and this was like your first risk, like your first
risky buy. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And it was the biggest, the fastest, the easiest.
No, no repairs, no restorations.It was just straight up, someone
hit a deadline and then the gamechanged.
Then it was just like, oh, buddy, let's just position
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ourself to be first in line whensituations change.
And so that's what I'm doing now.
And it takes the pressure off too, because at first it was
like, I'm just refresh, refresh,refresh, looking for the people
who are pricing it impatiently out of the gate.
That's not fun, that's stressful.
What I'm doing now is doing big shops once a week, starting 30
(09:24):
conversations. And then when people's
situations change, you get notifications because the price
changes, the description changes, they market pending,
then back available. It's like, oh, someone bailed on
them. And so it's positioning myself
to be first in line when impatient strikes.
So you're starting 30 conversations regardless of
price, like it's an item that you think you could sell, not
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regardless of item, but the price is kind of irrelevant
because you're you're willing tobe patient.
Yep, I'm I'm just looking at pictures.
What do I want in my lockers is all I'm looking for.
And I start those conversations like I started a conversation
with already today who's got a couch listed at 4 grand.
It's like it's a pipe dream. I'm not going to tell her that
because I burned the break, but she paid 10.
She deserves 4. Not how it works.
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She might get 1500 but she's tooproud.
You can tell by the listing in the house and the description
and everything like that. She really thinks she's getting
4 for it. No chance.
They just appreciate a lot more than people realize.
Worse than a BMW. They're painful.
Like I have so much sympathy forthe people that I buy couches
from. A lot of the times it's like
there's, there's not going to bea win here.
Like I can tell by the wording, I can tell by the we're in no
rush. A lot of times it's like they're
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thinking about changing up theirdecor.
There's no opportunity there. I'm looking for the people who
move out dates, house closing, new one arriving.
I'm squeezing those details out of them.
Any hard deadline, it's like, no, no, we're good.
Coach arrives in the 20th, 20th.So that's a key part is the
questions that you ask to determine the how motivated they
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are, the timeline like when to follow up for sure, etcetera.
I am looking for impatience. Indifference and ignorance is a
big one too. A lot of times it's like
millennials, millennial couples who were gifted like a dope
Bernhardt sectional from their in laws or something like that
and either they don't know what they've got or like to them it's
(11:09):
only worth 500 bucks. But it's like, no, that was an
$8000 sectional and you guys took OK care of it.
That's 1550 to me, and ignoranceis on there too.
What are some green flags in a picture?
Like what are you really lookingfor for the big money makers?
Moved to the garage already witha Porsche in the background in
the driveway there it. Is moved.
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Moved to the foyer, hogging up space.
You can see the new coach in thebackground, which is like, oh,
buddy, I'm. I feel like a Turkey vulture.
It's like, you're gonna yeah, you.
You need me? Do you do you reference those
things in your messaging at all or do you just kind of
internalize it? How so?
Like let them know, like, listen, I see it's in your
garage. Like I can come get it.
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Like clearly you've already replaced it.
It's taken up a lot of space. Or do you not go that route?
Yes. But not in a way like that.
That sounds like if you're playing poker, like talking,
they're just like, you didn't get that ace, did you buddy?
Like that kind of stuff. It's not like that.
It's I am offering. I'm compensated for my reliable
pickup service with a smoking deal on a couch.
So I let people know that, hey, if you had a deadline, keep in
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mind there's a guy from Muskoka that will come.
I can let something by myself. You already got in the garage.
Your husband doesn't even need to be home.
I'll lead transfer the whole thing right now.
We'll text it, pop the garage open, I'm out of there.
So the fact that I can I can lift them by myself, I'm willing
to send E transfers like full pop a lot of the time and
there's hurdles about selling a couch and just hop them.
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What are the best types of couches?
Either brands or sectionals or sofas or or does it not really
matter? Definitely matters.
I like to work backwards, think about like who is my ideal
customer profile? On the buying side, they are
homeowners with either renovations that just got
finished or a new house. Or they just had.
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They just bought a couch from the box store and their kids and
dogs smashed it. Now they know that a used Lexus
is better than a new Kia and they they're just like I'm not
paying the depreciation but thatthing lasted 3 years.
I would way rather get somethingrock solid and that's all my
inventory is. Is used Lexus is just like the
nice bones full grain leather built to last stuff.
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I have lots of repeat customers and lots of referrals, but very
rarely am I taking a couch that I sold to the dump like I'm just
moving premium. How many times have you had to
do that? Just throw something away.
Like dump runs for my customers.Oh, all the time, yeah.
Or it's just something you couldn't sell.
Nah, I'll fire sale it like I'll, I'll make a single mom's
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day and I'll take a loss. Like if it's AI pay 300 bucks
and she's like, I'll, I'll move it for 200 bucks.
Yeah, make someone's day that way.
Because I would rather do the drive of shame and my my
inspections are so shameless. Like I'm not sticking my nose in
people's couches. It's just like, that's piss.
You lied to me. I would rather, I would rather
do the drive of shame than pay for a couch or bring home a cat
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piss couch or something like that.
You know, that's always the decision when when I find
something that's a mess, it's just like, what drive of shame
do I want to take? Do I want the empty trailer or
the cat piss couch in the lockerand I'm empty trailer all day?
I'm hanging on every word. I'm loving this conversation.
You don't even know I'll go all day.
What do you charge for dump runs?
Dump runs start at 100 bucks. So if it's a 3 seater, if it's
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I'll always ask is there a recliner or a pull out bed in
it? Because if it's a recliner, it's
going to be heavier on the scale.
If it's a pull out bed, the mattress is a flat rate of 38
bucks because of the way that myrecycle slump.
If I come with the couch, they're saying is there a
mattress in it? And there's a flat rate upsell
whether it's a whether it's a king bed or a twin bed, it's 38
bucks. So but a hundred base and that
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is super affordable compared to junk removal.
It's not affordable compared to having the brother with the
truck come pick it up. And that's totally clear.
I don't. I don't want to be cheaper than
the brother with the truck. Roughly speaking, like what
percentage of your jobs are not revenue but jobs are dump runs?
Very rare I do 20 transactions in a month.
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I did 2 dump runs, three dump runs.
OK. Not a big part of your business
and you don't want it to be, I'msure.
It's kind of nice icing sometimes.
Only having one side of the transaction, not having to
manage a buyer, it's nice just not having to sell it.
You just, you get your money andyou know it's going to the dump,
you don't have to list it, etcetera.
Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's like my fries
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with that of just like and it's just icing the dumps pretty
close to home. And if I have stuff that's a
dump run at home now that's a business expense.
Like it was paid for with the customer, you know what I mean?
Like it's just it's a nice little addition.
Not opposed. OK.
Plus it's just like it secures the five star review too of just
like all of their country related issues I handle.
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Are you doing exclusively all this stuff on Facebook
Marketplace or other platforms as well?
So in Canada, our Craigslist is called Kijiji and I love, I
prefer Kijiji for buying becausethat's where the boomers I think
predominantly. Actually, no, I got in trouble
for saying that one time I had areel that did really well
performance, right, because all the boomers in the comments were
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like, that's not true. I'm on Facebook.
I've done the same thing. But I really prefer Kijiji for
buying because it's also chronological.
It's just easier to keep track of.
Facebook's kind of just like stuff gets thrown at you and
there's like a gravitational pull to the reels tab.
Like I'm constantly just like, no tip back to couches couches.
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Watch. Road rage videos.
I much prefer Kiji, but Facebookoutsells Kijiji.
Probably 9:00 to 1:00. What are some of the best deals
that you've ever done, like bestflips?
The goat was Eleanor. That's pinned on my Instagram
page. That was a $200 purchase for a
$5200 sale. Whoa.
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It was a Restoration Hardware. That thing made my knees shake.
It was 20K new. It was just art you could sit
on. Like, yeah, that was a really,
really nice couch. And I probably could have posted
it for 8:00, but as soon as you post price, you can't raise it.
So yeah, I had a 5 grand and I had six people ready.
Just like, I'll send money rightnow.
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Can I please add it? Wow.
And even if that price point? Yeah, even at 5:00, because at
that point it's like it's like people who they'll, they'll
never have an opportunity to like it's an heirloom piece like
Restoration Hardware 20K new 5K,like you can get plywood and
pleather for five grand. I think people might be thinking
like, well, you know, Facebook marketplace is for the lower end
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of the market or, but like you either want to be the most
expensive or the most cheap, right?
There's people at both ends and everywhere in between.
Yeah, I'm like a middle grounds between retail that comes
delivered and knew that you haveto pick up like I'm I there
isn't really competition betweenmy listings.
It's a very, very unique offer of it's a used couch on Facebook
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Marketplace. But I did the inspection.
My video inspections are really thorough, so there's no
surprises on them whether they come to see it or whether they
take delivery sight unseen, which is often.
And that's the goal with my videos is where it's be good
enough. It's like, yeah, he literally
showed me all the reasons not tobuy it and highly dealt with
that much detail that there was anything missing.
(18:15):
So yeah, sure, bring a plan. And do you lead with the video
first on the listing when you goto sell it?
Yes, I pioneered videos on listings.
Like it was way back when that was my like signature move.
Was that when they messaged me? Hey, is this still available?
I would have a keyboard shortcut.
Yep, with two PS Yep, it expandsinto Yep.
Here's a quick little video inspection of it and then I'd
(18:37):
fire over a 59 second video thatshowed all the reasons that they
would not want to buy it and then they can make a good
decision right there. Since then, Facebook realized
that was a genius and now you can add videos to listings.
What are your numbers like today?
Like how many couches are you flipping on a monthly basis?
What is your revenue and profit like?
The year to beat is 2023. This year was softer and that
(18:58):
was mostly my fault. In the spring I kind of took my
foot off the gas pedal and didn't have enough humility and
my pricing and stuff was moving slower.
But I'm on the mend now. The goal is always 20K sales
gross profit. So just sales minus cost of
goods usually settles north of 10 like 15 grand probably after
expenses. But it's it's so muddy.
Like I hate the N word of net profit because it's just so
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muddy because it's so much personal expenses.
Like if my I got car seats in the back of a soccer mom SUV,
like I'm driving a 2009 Toyota Highlander sport with car seats
in the back And so that's my grocery getter and kids to
school and church mobile and stuff like that.
So it's probably like an 80K a year income too.
(19:43):
Gross profit. That's amazing. 100K over 100K
six years running in revenue. I've started dozens of
businesses at this point and every once in a while I'll see
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When you're dealing with international stuff you see it
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Yeah, 2023 was dope. I did 183K in sales, gross
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profit was 120 after expenses, probably like 90K income.
And that was with a three-year old in tow because my wife went
back to work, she was sitting ona nursing license and then she
got an opportunity to go on the supply list and she had a
lightning fast teacher career launch.
She's already full time grade 7 teacher, but that year was she
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got an offer for supply list andshe's like, I don't know babe,
like how would it work? I was like, do it.
I'll take Hudson no problem. And we did she she hopped in
supply list. She was slammed right away.
And every day I had a little 3 year old with me and in the cup
holder I had bottle of milk to get him to sleep.
Like, I maintained perfect nap schedules and drop his sister
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off at kindergarten, go to the city, fill a trailer, bring it
home, pick her up. Yeah, like, record months.
Just banger after banger with a three-year old.
And I played 75 rounds of golf that year.
Whoa. That's the biggest Plex.
How many hours per week would you say you're working on An
average week, give or take? I wish I had those numbers for
(21:54):
you but I just, it doesn't feel like work.
Like I'm just going for a car ride with Alex or Mosey just
crushing audiobooks. And no way, no way am I working
40 hours, though I don't think Idon't put pants on for less than
1000 bucks. Like I'll, I'll wait, I'll send
deposits and I'll stack them so that I can get it all done.
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I'll get through two or three done in one go.
Yeah, lots of lots of days off during the week.
And the goal is probably 3 good double or triple pickups.
And then the deliveries don't feel like work.
Like often it's like wife and kids in the car and go to
Wendy's and grab a bag of burgers and stuff like that.
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Or squeezing a round of golf. Like the time freedom is stupid.
Yeah, that is awesome. How much time do you spend
flipping each couch on average? Like how much work do you have
to put into them? If I would think it's like
minutes per couch. Some of you do nothing to.
What does that look like? I don't rehab, I relocate.
You just wipe them down maybe? Yeah most of them are as is.
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I had one recently where I did adelivery that was 2 1/2 hours
away, $500 delivery on top of $1000 profit.
It's a dope run. And then on the way while I was
there I shopped the area. I hate coming home with an empty
trailer so found a couch, put mynose in it, cat piss pissed and
got another 300 bucks off the price.
(23:17):
Took it straight to my auto detailer and it was 150 bucks
for them to make it brand new. I don't clean it started as a
rehab gig. But yeah, ever since that great
lazy boy was like, Nah. Plus there was a lot of times
where I would that was a bottleneck for me.
And that's where that's the difference between it being a
(23:38):
hobby and a business is just like identifying bottlenecks and
smashing them. And I am a procrastinator when
it comes to cleaning coaches or actually don't have the skills
to fix leather. I've got a, I've got a guy for
that where I'll drop it off to his garage.
He was a mobile restoration guy.So he would get contracts with
dealerships and he would go fix three cars in a day that were
(24:02):
off lease before they'd resell them.
That was his thing. But he gave me smoking cash
deals because I would bring themto his garage.
And you know, you can either have what's what's the saying?
You can have it fast, you can have it cheap, or you can have a
good. You got to pick 2.
His was good. His was good and cheap and it
was like, take, take as long as no problem, I don't need it, I
don't need it. Put it in his garage and a month
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later I'd say, hey, is that thing done yet?
He's like, oh, yeah, come Tuesday, it'll be ready.
So that was. But he's a magician.
But I can count on one hand how many times I've used them this
year. So that's my leather guy.
And then if it's fabric for cleaning and stuff like that,
I'd way rather drop it off to the detailer because they got
the big guns. I had a green little Bissell
extractor machine and I gave it away to a customer one time
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because tart malfunctions on me in the winter and it had salt
stains. When I dropped the couch off.
I was like, here, just have it, here's a free machine.
You're still just using trailer for everything.
You don't like a box truck or. No open trailer, utility trailer
on AV6 SUV. So it's like as far as moving
couches go, it's two trucks for half the price.
It's a 12 by 6 open trailer. It's just brand Tetris XL and
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I've put some comically large loads in there.
In soggy season. I have to be a little more
particular and like I'm doing like mental Tetris and how I'm
going to tarp it and stuff like that.
And sometimes I'll get a U-Haul for 45 bucks including insurance
for 24 hours for a 12 by 6 enclosed.
But it's got all the aerodynamicqualities of a garden shed I
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get. I'm just chugging gas on those
days. The dream for me is a snowmobile
trailer. 7 by 16 full aluminum snowmobile trailer.
I had someone pick up a couch one time and throw it in there.
I was like, oh buddy, when I sawlike how much room it was in
there. You were coveting him hard.
Big time. Like coveting?
Yes. You're 2 hours north of Toronto.
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That's like rural Canada. How?
How many people live in your area?
I don't know. What city is it?
Muskoka typically around the three hours one way mark is when
my delivery fee is discouragingly large where
people are like, sorry Facebook's showing me stuff
further away. I don't actually want it that
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bad but the most I've ever charged for delivery was 600
bucks and it was 3 hours one way.
Wow, I'm looking it up. Muskoka has 66,000 people like
that whole area. And then you got Barry.
Is that just South of you? Yeah, that's where my animals
are. That's where I was originally
picking up. 150,000 people there, like that's not a lot of
people. No, we got to be more than that.
They got 2 Costco's. No that's not true.
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They have one Costco but I feel like it's more than I feel like
it's a half mil greater barrier area.
I mean, maybe like the greater area, but yeah, everyone needs a
couch. Like it doesn't need to be a lot
of people. Correct.
And that's, I mean, really well positioned where it's like my
own little private fishing pond where all ripped down to the
city where inventory is so denseand nobody has trucks like I'm
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buying in the like Tesla, BMW neighborhoods.
And a lot of my stuff does get picked up like it's I'm not
delivering everything. A lot of trucks and trailers
come to my locker to pick up, but they weren't going to the
city. It's like an import business.
What percentage of the quote UN quote market I know like you
have no way of really knowing. Do you own like of these types
of couches like house? How much of this is yours versus
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if you really wanted to work 100hour weeks?
How big could this be? I only want to buy them as fast
as I can, as fast as they're selling.
I have 5 lockers. I'll keep our levels when I'm
when I'm at capacity I'll drop some prices.
When I've got room I'll start buying like we should be
October. October was super light but kind
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of a banger. You say lockers, you mean
storage units? Yeah, 5.
I got five of them. I had 6, I dropped 6 was giving
me a complex where that's where the my pricing was not humble
enough because it was like I gotspace.
October I did 10,340 in sales with a gross profit.
So just sales minus cost of goods, gross profit of 7240 and
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that was 7 transactions. Wow 1000 bucks profit per
transaction. Yeah, that's the game for me is
saying no to stuff. If I'm driving down in the city,
I want a whale or two tuners. I throw back all the bass.
How big are your lockers? 10 by 23 of those, 10 by 25.
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Two of those. And what are those costs in
total per month? They're they're very affordable
compared to the city. I'm like when I had six of them,
it was 1160 and I just dropped one.
So I think I'm under a grand, just under a grand like 1011
hundred square feet. And they stack pretty well too.
So I like to have lots and have them as showrooms instead of
tuna cans because when people when it sucks to have to pull
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everything out to show someone acoverage rate, I would way
rather have 5 showrooms than three tuna cans.
Do you ever dabble with other large items flipping them or is
it only couches? Well, I need a loss on a washer
and dryer. I hurt myself with a dining
table. I smashed a hutch.
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I just really like couches. I can lift them solo so safely
and that's what my markets looking for.
I get lots of requests for otherstuff.
I get offered a million China cabinets.
No thank you. Just couches.
I just love couches and they're so easy.
We'll just throw those suckers around so easy.
You can't really break them thateasily, right?
I mean, they're just Hardy as opposed to like a China cabinet.
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Especially premium ones. Yeah, Yeah.
Like the China cabinets. I have to decide whether I want
to break the furniture or break my body when I put it down.
Whereas couches is like my movements are so solid, like
it's like Portage in a canoe, you know?
That's the most Canadian thing I've heard all day.
Even if I can't do like the heroic, like clean and jerk from
all four feet on the floor, I can still stand it up from one
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end and then use my thigh as a fulcrum and let it fall and
catch it and then big and I'll throw it up with my.
If my dog wasn't so cute on the couch, I'd lift this couch for
you. But.
Have you ever hired an employee or used like contractors or
helpers? Or do you have any intention or
desire to scale that way? Or are you good?
My hire that I'm tempted would be a VA to shop couches for me
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and just fill up my messenger and run my scripts and just have
everything queued up so that when people drop prices and
stuff like that then I'm becauseit's like having an irons in the
fire. I need like 20 conversations on
the go at all times to have like5 good purchases a week and I
hate shopping is my least favorite part.
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It's the most crucial part. And it's just like, I go full
Hormuzi with the headphones and the caffeine and nicotine gum
and like I just walk in just like, well, look at 300 couches
message 50 by 3. Do you ever list stuff before
you buy it to see how much demand there is for it?
Or is that kind of tricky because it's already listed?
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I do have a wait list, so I havein my phone the West in my
contacts is very long because it's wants brown leather
sectional, wants burgundy coach loveseat, that kind of stuff.
And so whenever I have somethinglined up with at least anyone
will work this and then I'll screenshot it and crop the price
out of it and say is this one the maybe?
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And then as soon as I have my hands on it, I'll send them a
video inspection from the driveway.
But very rarely am I taking something straight to a
customer. It's usually going to the locker
anyway. Yeah.
How long did it take you to learn the values of these
things? Like to really know when you had
a good deal on your hand, Were you just doing a bunch of
research like looking for comparable couches or how did
you work through that? No trial and error and school of
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Hard Knocks for sure. The ceiling.
Besides Eleanor, she was a Unicorn.
Is 2500 for a catch and it's like a $10,000 sectional 2500
bucks and there's some outliers like I've definitely had some 35
hundreds and 3000 No 4 thousandsof the jump is straight from
like 3500 bucks right up to LNR at 52.
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I want all of my listings ideally to be north of 1000
bucks, but it's still nice to fill in the cracks with the odd
like $650 couch love seat and just on volume with them.
Yeah, the reason October was so dope with 7 transactions and 10
grand was because it was just banger, banger, banger.
That's what you want. Or no, not love averages 8020
rule. We just like cut out all the
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crap. Just whales and tennis, yeah.
What are some best practices forselling or buying anything on
Facebook Marketplace? Not procrastinating listing, not
procrastinating anything, actually, just constantly on the
lookout for bottlenecks and justsmash them.
Sometimes a bottleneck will be that the photos sucked because
when I brought it home, the sun was behind my back and I've got
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a big shadow holding the phone over the thing and I need to go
back in the morning to relist itwhen the sun is behind it.
Lots of natural, no direct light.
So there's lots of little thingslike that.
And that's why I got in trouble in the spring is because I was
ignoring that. Just wait.
Too comfy at home. And the ice storm in Ontario was
brutal. We got our butt kicked last
year. Best practices video inspections
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for sure, so you can push peopleto making good decisions when
messaging people. OK, this is the answer I want to
give you keyboard shortcuts having everything so that you're
not typing all day long. Like my keyboard shortcuts are
just of just Hey, anyone scheduled to pick this up
doesn't need any repairs or restorations.
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That's if it's leather doesn't need any repairs or stain
removal. That's if it's fabric.
Is anyone there to help me lift it?
I'll be alone or weekday morningor weekday morning pickups
possible and I will send I'll batch that whole thing.
I'll I'll look at the listing and then, OK, so the listing
says pet free, smoke free and and good use condition.
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And then from that, I'll fill inthe gaps using my keyboard
shortcuts. And then now their reply is all
the information I need. And then I pump the brakes on my
enthusiasm with a, another keyboard shortcut.
Just starting to have the peak at options might get back to
you. And because from the when you're
selling, if somebody's asking a bunch of questions and then they
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shoot an offer, it's like now you want it.
But when you slow play it a little bit and sometimes it's
safe to do that. If it's, if they already have it
priced at a GTFO price, then I'mnot going to slow play it.
But most of the time I'm extracting all the unnecessary
information and I'm pausing it with a just starting to have be
good options. Might get back to you message.
You get bonus points for not ghosting them because everybody
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else ghosting them and I've got a good favor of that.
And then I'll reconnect with a polite lowball offer of hey, any
chance you'd consider this much for an out of towner?
I could come from the skokwith trailer and pick up because it
came like gift wrapped of just like I'm so far away.
Could you take this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's truthful, a polite low ball offer.
And I was deceitful. I said, yeah, I'm, I'm shopping
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for my little sister who got herfirst apt.
I don't have a little sister. I'm the youngest of three
brothers. I did that once.
And then the lady was like, Oh my gosh, of course, come get it.
Then you felt dirty. And oh, I felt terrible.
I was like, that didn't even. It wasn't even necessary.
Like she, yeah, she was such a sweet lady.
And I did that once. And then I had got in the car
and I was like looking in the mirror, like, who are you?
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And. What have you become?
It's just a couch. Never again, never again.
Honesty. Always, always, always.
And I want people to know that I'm a reseller because I want
them. I want my name and number in
their phone all the time. I'll get messages.
I'm just like, hey, you got yournumber from Sophie.
Any chance you'd be interested in this one?
They're my customer too. That's that's surprising to me
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that you would have so much repeat business.
I wouldn't have thought that it's a signal that you're really
you're working that like it's intentional.
It's not by accident. Like it feels like skills and
tools, like in the same way thatI sit in my hot tub and look at
all the trees that I want to cutdown.
It's like I would kill myself ifI tried that.
I need to call my buddy Mike, who's got climbing spurs and
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three different kinds of saws and a dump trailer and a chipper
and ridiculous skill with tying knots and stuff like that.
Where every time that I lift a couch with somebody, they'll
say, wow, you look like you've done this before.
It's like because like and say, all right, we're going to go
front side down. OK, once we hit this corner, I'm
going to go high. You stay low.
Good. And we're going to rifle it a
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little bit, kind of a 45. That's it.
Perfect. And OK, once we clear that
armrest, we're going to buy 3 inches and I'm going to go this
way. Can you take a step to your
left? There it is, perfect.
Like it's like it's just surgical.
It's just a weird little skill set that I've not only
developed, but I actually have amemory back in high school when
I was playing Halo with my buddyDevin in his basement.
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And no, that's not true. No, we were smoking bongs in his
bedroom. That's what we were doing.
And we, I was, and we were sitting next to each other on
the bed and it felt way too intimate for 217 year olds.
And I was like, you know what, We should get that chair from
the basement. That or the love seat from the
basement that no one uses. And so we go to get the love
seat and his idea on how to get it through the door was
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terrible. And I was like, hold up.
No, no, no, no, no, this side down, this side up.
And then he he like laughed and he's like, have you done this
before? Like, do you want to start a
moving company? Like that was so good and it was
flawless. And it was just like, I saw it.
Do you ever see Goodwill hunting?
You know when he's. He's at the.
Cafe with his sweet girl and andshe's like, how do you know all
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this? And he's like, he's like, you
know, Mozart sat down and he sawthe piano and he could just
play. He's like, I can't hit a ball
out of Fenway or I can't hit a home run.
I can't. And I all I can play is chop
specs. But when I see this stuff, I
could just play and just putting, putting couches through
doorways and just like. Yeah, it's your skill.
There's sometimes that pain me that I didn't have my tripod set
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up where it was like I impressedmyself of just like use a tea
towel as a slider and get a couch through a patio door by
myself and then Portage it down the stairs.
And like I've done some ridiculous solo deliveries And
it's just a weird little skill set That that and backing up a
trailer and negotiating, negotiating on Facebook, like
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every aspect of this game is just like all my skills just
combined into one beautiful little craft.
And just like, hey, you need a couch, You need your couch
picked up. It's just I'm good at it.
So many of those skills are applicable to any anything
though, like the negotiating theso valuable.
Yep, and I'd probably be a good realtor.
I'd probably be a good mortgage agent, but kind of she's man
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time freedom is just so hard to be.
And then like the coaching and stuff like that.
I've got lots of guys that are making like 1500 bucks with my
info and just stealing all my scripts.
And I've got guys in California and couple different States and
it's dope. Those are my favorite messages
to get of just like selfies withthe kids and doing couch pickups
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and stuff. To just copy and paste what I'm
doing is really cool. The coaches is dope for like
transition season. Like anybody who hates their
job, it's like, yo, there's a lot of people.
If you can lift the couch, you've got a truck or a trailer.
Like it's the dopest transition gig to either supplement or
replace your income and just paythe bills until the next thing
takes off. Is this something you would
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recommend to other people to tryor is that a softball question?
Oh, yeah, totally. If you can, you don't have to be
able to lift the couch by yourself.
Like some of my students are string beans that are not able
to lift the couch like I am. But like me lifting couches is a
very, very unique form of laziness where it's like I could
jackknife park the trailer and use Dolly.
It's like, Nah, I'm just going to pick it up.
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I'm the kind of guy who would rather walk across the house to
find my flip flops, then bend over and put my shoes on that
are right there in front of me. You know, like it's a very
unique kind of laziness. And that's.
That's what the couch lifts are,too.
If you can carry in a stubborn load of groceries, need to make
10 grand a month, purple couchesall day.
Like most of the time when I'm when I'm buying a couch, one of
my first questions is, is someone there to help me lift
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it? You can lift half a couch for
sure. And if it's in the garage or you
can drag it to the edge of a pickup truck.
Like if Brian Panita can do it, you can do it.
I didn't know he was doing it. He was like the original.
I thought I invented it, and then someone sent me a video of
Brian Pernita with a red hair atthe time, and I was like, oh,
everybody's going to be doing itnow.
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I think you're a lot more respected than he is, but that's
just me. All right.
Well, Tim, where can everyone find you?
Full Time Flipper, The full timeflipper.
There's a girl who made a page, did one cartwheel, took the name
Full Time Flipper, and so I'm the Yeah.
That's your name on Instagram. Yep, the full time flipper.
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Do you have a website? In the bio, there's my landing
page for the couch course. Cool.
Thanks, Tim. Cool beans dude, thanks so much
for having me all. Right, what do you think?
Please share it with a friend and we'll see you next time on
the Kerner office.
If you can carry in a stubborn load of groceries, you can make
10 grand a month of purple carriages.
Anybody who hates their job getsthe dopest gig.
The only way that I could stay afloat was just slamming 16 hour
double S and I was just headed towards like a mental health
crisis. So in my first half month I made
more in my evenings after full time work than I did my nursing
job. 2023 I did 183 K and that was with a three-year old in
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tow. Wow it doesn't feel like work.
Lots of days off during the weekat $200 purchase or a $5200
sale. Whoa, I don't put pants on for
less than 1000 bucks. The time freedom is stupid.
Yeah, it's awesome. So the other day I'm swiping
Instagram as I do and I come across this guy called the Full
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Time Flipper. And what does he do?
He flips couches in rural Canadaon Facebook marketplace.
He makes 6 figures a year working part time, golfing a
ton, he's got kids, his wife works and he just buys couches
and sells them. Or he gets couches for free and
gets paid to take them to the dump.
Or he sells the free couches. His name's Tim and what he's
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doing could be replicated in anymarket, large or small.
If you like Shannon's episodes or the appliance insurance
rental stuff or the garage shelving stuff, you are going to
love this. Tim is a ball of energy and he
shares everything. He holds nothing back.
All the tactics are in here. Please enjoy.
Well, Tim, why don't you tell uswho you are and what you do?
My name is Tim McLeod. I flip couches.
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Used to be a nurse. That was fun but just not enough
money. Kind of put myself in a hole
with adulthood. Got married really young, we had
one kid and that was good and then another kid on the way and
my wife was kind of at her limit.
The only way that I could stay afloat on this little financial
treadmill I got myself pinched on was just slamming 16 hour
double S and I was just headed towards like a mental health
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crisis so needed something extra.
Overtime needed to be replaced desperately.
But all my options for replacingthe income sucks.
Like I could relocate or commutean hour away and make danger pay
like a mental health asylum withmy current nursing certificate.
Going back to school sucked. Like I scraped through the first
time, but the thought of going back was brutal.
I just needed to replace the overtime.
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I didn't want to overhaul everything, I just wanted to
replace the overtime. I just needed something extra to
take the edge off. And I had some success flipping
phones and iPads because that's all I really understood.
I've done that. These are worth 450 down the
city. There were 300 bucks because
saturated with inventory. It was kind of like a just
geographical arbitrage, bring them up to the stakes where
there was no supply and they moved way better.
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And my in laws were in the city so it was easy go for a free
meal. Grabbed my phones, come back and
every single one was like a nursing paycheck because after
taxes was like 180 for a nursingpaycheck.
So a couple phones would take the edge off.
And then I had this terrible experience selling a couch
because so many people wanted it, but everybody is like, could
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you drop it off? I'll pay your asking price, but
could you bring it by? I was like, no, with that little
Mazda file, I can. I was like, I cannot help you.
I'm so sorry. And then finally I hit a
deadline and my best option was some guy who was under asking
price because he had to go get aU-Haul.
He's like, could you do this? I got to rinse a thing.
And I was like, yeah, sure. And so who got paid?
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U-Haul got paid. It's like, hold up.
If I had a truck, I could have done that.
I'd lost 200 bucks for not owning a truck.
It was the dilemma. And so I pitched the idea to my
brother Ross, who's a business owner.
And the idea at first was an excuse to justify buying a Ford
Ranger because I thought it would make me feel like a man.
And. And that's a pretty small truck
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as far as trucks go. Small for a couch I was.
Driving AI was driving a Mazda 5at the time.
You know, the like mini, mini van, the little Ford upgrade.
So anything's an upgrade yet. And he said that's a cool idea
and I think that you'd be good at it.
Like the phones and iPads, things like you're really
reliant with that. But don't start 8 grand in debt.
That's so stupid. Just borrow my trailer.
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And I was like, I don't have a hitch.
She's like, go get a hitch. I was like, OK, so.
On your Mazda 5. Yeah, so I put AI put a $450
hitch and wiring on a 4 cylindercar, just put it on the visa.
My wife almost talked me out of it.
She's like don't do it. That's a terrible idea.
I was like, I can pay for the hitch.
Like that was that was my first goal was just pay for the hitch
break. Even on that if it's a failed
experiment, whatever. I know I can make 500 bucks
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after a couple whatever and the other experience So there was my
couch experience and then my in laws scored a sweet deal on
Bosch washer and dryer. Just someone who moved and the
new place had nice ones and theyhad already brought their old
ones so they just had double sets and nice stuff and same
thing truck privilege. My father-in-law got a sick deal
on washers and dryers so I thought I was going to be doing
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appliances and they even got thedollar for it.
But then the first day that I got the hitch, picked up the car
with the hitch on it, borrowed the trailer and I was like what
can I get? What can I get?
And the only thing was a free couch.
I was like. All right, let's do a couch.
You're just anxious to do something with this trailer.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anxious to pay off the hitch? Yep Yep, just itching for
activity and so I got a free couch.
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It was this beige microfiber hadsome, you know the ones that
just like hold every water stainthey get.
They get ugly so quick. It was one of those.
And so with 20 minutes in the driveway with a damp cloth, just
like make the whole thing wet and then it dries evenly and it
looks new for 5 minutes. So a free couch, little bit of
sweat equity and just a damp cloth and then just be in the
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dude with the trailer and it sold for 280 and a nursing
paper, a nursing shift was 180. So it's like.
Wow. So if I do, if I do like what
was the whatever math it was? I'm just like, if I do this many
couches. So immediately I called, I just
called scheduling office. I had the trailer, I had the
hitch couches. I was like, OK, I can do a couch
camp. That was easy.
I reneged on all my overtime. I called up the scheduling and
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said cancel all my double s. And I wasn't, I wasn't shift
work. I I barely touched my scope of
practice with nursing. Like I went straight to the
comfy job with a nursing home. 8hour shifts, free parking, 4
minutes from home. Just comfy comfy comfy.
I reneged on all my double S so cancelled all the two to 10
shifts. So just just my 6 to twos.
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So ten of those every pay period.
And then all day at work I'm just hiding in the Med room.
Just like shopping for couches, shopping for couches just lining
up an evening. Yes.
Are you still interested? Yes.
Are you still interested? And then just line up pickups
and my wife's at home with a baby and she's sending me
couches too. And we just line up profitably
evenings. We had a little sad season there
too, where we had a miscarriage.And so we're really itching to
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just get out of the house because just like the normal of
like come home from work, watch Office reruns or play Call of
Duty at the time was just so dark.
Like I just hated being home. We just needed a distraction and
couches was a beautiful little distraction.
So hit the road. And my first month I borrowed
the trailer on the on July 10th.What year was this?
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2019 summer 2019 July 10 I got the trailer and in my first what
2/3 of a month? Half month?
I made more in my evenings afterfull time work than I did at my
nursing job. 3 grand profit and 2 1/2 weeks whatever.
And that was mostly free stuff. I was playing it super safe,
wasn't like 60 bucks for a couchset like couch love seat, but
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for the most part it was just like free 3 seater, free 3
seater just on repeat. Just rinse and repeat.
If you could go back in time, would you still start with free
stuff? Is that a good way to start?
Or knowing what you know now, you would have started
differently. If I could brain transplant into
like the confidence of just likethat's a $3000 sectional and
they're giving it away for $1000.
Like I have a different confidence now, but it was, it
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was so safe to slowly scale up And just like, OK, that's a,
that's a $250 couch, that's a $400.00 set.
OK. And then there was one time
where it was a leap of faith andanother like my wife trying to
talk me out of it. Don't do it, don't do it where I
spent 900 bucks on a lazy boy sectional is the big Gray and at
the time millennial Gray. Like everybody just wanted Gray
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fabric sectionals. That's all anybody wanted.
And I had my eye on this sectional.
It was a 2 grand 1500. And then I saw the price drop to
1000 or something like that. And I got it from 900.
I had it firmed up for 900. She tried to talk me out of it
and I was like, I'm going to do it, I'm doing it and I bought
it. I think we're until like
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September now, so the days are getting a little shorter.
It came home in the dark. The next day I'm working or on
break. I head to the locker and do
photos and videos, measurements and stuff like that, list it
there and then drive back to work.
And by the time I got back to work it was firmed up at 1500
bucks. By the time you and it's a 4
minute drive. Yeah, with a $150.00 delivery,
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so a 750 profit on the don't buyit, don't buy it couch.
Yeah, and this was like your first risk, like your first
risky buy. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
And it was the biggest, the fastest, the easiest.
No, no repairs, no restorations.It was just straight up, someone
hit a deadline and then the gamechanged.
Then it was just like, oh, buddy, let's just position
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ourself to be first in line whensituations change.
And so that's what I'm doing now.
And it takes the pressure off too, because at first it was
like, I'm just refresh, refresh,refresh, looking for the people
who are pricing it impatiently out of the gate.
That's not fun, that's stressful.
What I'm doing now is doing big shops once a week, starting 30
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conversations. And then when people's
situations change, you get notifications because the price
changes, the description changes, they market pending,
then back available. It's like, oh, someone bailed on
them. And so it's positioning myself
to be first in line when impatient strikes.
So you're starting 30 conversations regardless of
price, like it's an item that you think you could sell, not
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regardless of item, but the price is kind of irrelevant
because you're you're willing tobe patient.
Yep, I'm I'm just looking at pictures.
What do I want in my lockers is all I'm looking for.
And I start those conversations like I started a conversation
with already today who's got a couch listed at 4 grand.
It's like it's a pipe dream. I'm not going to tell her that
because I burned the break, but she paid 10.
She deserves 4. Not how it works.
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She might get 1500 but she's tooproud.
You can tell by the listing in the house and the description
and everything like that. She really thinks she's getting
4 for it. No chance.
They just appreciate a lot more than people realize.
Worse than a BMW. They're painful.
Like I have so much sympathy forthe people that I buy couches
from. A lot of the times it's like
there's, there's not going to bea win here.
Like I can tell by the wording, I can tell by the we're in no
rush. A lot of times it's like they're
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thinking about changing up theirdecor.
There's no opportunity there. I'm looking for the people who
move out dates, house closing, new one arriving.
I'm squeezing those details out of them.
Any hard deadline, it's like, no, no, we're good.
Coach arrives in the 20th, 20th.So that's a key part is the
questions that you ask to determine the how motivated they
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are, the timeline like when to follow up for sure, etcetera.
I am looking for impatience. Indifference and ignorance is a
big one too. A lot of times it's like
millennials, millennial couples who were gifted like a dope
Bernhardt sectional from their in laws or something like that
and either they don't know what they've got or like to them it's
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only worth 500 bucks. But it's like, no, that was an
$8000 sectional and you guys took OK care of it.
That's 1550 to me, and ignoranceis on there too.
What are some green flags in a picture?
Like what are you really lookingfor for the big money makers?
Moved to the garage already witha Porsche in the background in
the driveway there it. Is moved.
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Moved to the foyer, hogging up space.
You can see the new coach in thebackground, which is like, oh,
buddy, I'm. I feel like a Turkey vulture.
It's like, you're gonna yeah, you.
You need me? Do you do you reference those
things in your messaging at all or do you just kind of
internalize it? How so?
Like let them know, like, listen, I see it's in your
garage. Like I can come get it.
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Like clearly you've already replaced it.
It's taken up a lot of space. Or do you not go that route?
Yes. But not in a way like that.
That sounds like if you're playing poker, like talking,
they're just like, you didn't get that ace, did you buddy?
Like that kind of stuff. It's not like that.
It's I am offering. I'm compensated for my reliable
pickup service with a smoking deal on a couch.
So I let people know that, hey, if you had a deadline, keep in
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mind there's a guy from Muskoka that will come.
I can let something by myself. You already got in the garage.
Your husband doesn't even need to be home.
I'll lead transfer the whole thing right now.
We'll text it, pop the garage open, I'm out of there.
So the fact that I can I can lift them by myself, I'm willing
to send E transfers like full pop a lot of the time and
there's hurdles about selling a couch and just hop them.
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What are the best types of couches?
Either brands or sectionals or sofas or or does it not really
matter? Definitely matters.
I like to work backwards, think about like who is my ideal
customer profile? On the buying side, they are
homeowners with either renovations that just got
finished or a new house. Or they just had.
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They just bought a couch from the box store and their kids and
dogs smashed it. Now they know that a used Lexus
is better than a new Kia and they they're just like I'm not
paying the depreciation but thatthing lasted 3 years.
I would way rather get somethingrock solid and that's all my
inventory is. Is used Lexus is just like the
nice bones full grain leather built to last stuff.
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I have lots of repeat customers and lots of referrals, but very
rarely am I taking a couch that I sold to the dump like I'm just
moving premium. How many times have you had to
do that? Just throw something away.
Like dump runs for my customers.Oh, all the time, yeah.
Or it's just something you couldn't sell.
Nah, I'll fire sale it like I'll, I'll make a single mom's
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day and I'll take a loss. Like if it's AI pay 300 bucks
and she's like, I'll, I'll move it for 200 bucks.
Yeah, make someone's day that way.
Because I would rather do the drive of shame and my my
inspections are so shameless. Like I'm not sticking my nose in
people's couches. It's just like, that's piss.
You lied to me. I would rather, I would rather
do the drive of shame than pay for a couch or bring home a cat
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piss couch or something like that.
You know, that's always the decision when when I find
something that's a mess, it's just like, what drive of shame
do I want to take? Do I want the empty trailer or
the cat piss couch in the lockerand I'm empty trailer all day?
I'm hanging on every word. I'm loving this conversation.
You don't even know I'll go all day.
What do you charge for dump runs?
Dump runs start at 100 bucks. So if it's a 3 seater, if it's
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I'll always ask is there a recliner or a pull out bed in
it? Because if it's a recliner, it's
going to be heavier on the scale.
If it's a pull out bed, the mattress is a flat rate of 38
bucks because of the way that myrecycle slump.
If I come with the couch, they're saying is there a
mattress in it? And there's a flat rate upsell
whether it's a whether it's a king bed or a twin bed, it's 38
bucks. So but a hundred base and that
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is super affordable compared to junk removal.
It's not affordable compared to having the brother with the
truck come pick it up. And that's totally clear.
I don't. I don't want to be cheaper than
the brother with the truck. Roughly speaking, like what
percentage of your jobs are not revenue but jobs are dump runs?
Very rare I do 20 transactions in a month.
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I did 2 dump runs, three dump runs.
OK. Not a big part of your business
and you don't want it to be, I'msure.
It's kind of nice icing sometimes.
Only having one side of the transaction, not having to
manage a buyer, it's nice just not having to sell it.
You just, you get your money andyou know it's going to the dump,
you don't have to list it, etcetera.
Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's like my fries
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with that of just like and it's just icing the dumps pretty
close to home. And if I have stuff that's a
dump run at home now that's a business expense.
Like it was paid for with the customer, you know what I mean?
Like it's just it's a nice little addition.
Not opposed. OK.
Plus it's just like it secures the five star review too of just
like all of their country related issues I handle.
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Are you doing exclusively all this stuff on Facebook
Marketplace or other platforms as well?
So in Canada, our Craigslist is called Kijiji and I love, I
prefer Kijiji for buying becausethat's where the boomers I think
predominantly. Actually, no, I got in trouble
for saying that one time I had areel that did really well
performance, right, because all the boomers in the comments were
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like, that's not true. I'm on Facebook.
I've done the same thing. But I really prefer Kijiji for
buying because it's also chronological.
It's just easier to keep track of.
Facebook's kind of just like stuff gets thrown at you and
there's like a gravitational pull to the reels tab.
Like I'm constantly just like, no tip back to couches couches.
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Watch. Road rage videos.
I much prefer Kiji, but Facebookoutsells Kijiji.
Probably 9:00 to 1:00. What are some of the best deals
that you've ever done, like bestflips?
The goat was Eleanor. That's pinned on my Instagram
page. That was a $200 purchase for a
$5200 sale. Whoa.
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It was a Restoration Hardware. That thing made my knees shake.
It was 20K new. It was just art you could sit
on. Like, yeah, that was a really,
really nice couch. And I probably could have posted
it for 8:00, but as soon as you post price, you can't raise it.
So yeah, I had a 5 grand and I had six people ready.
Just like, I'll send money rightnow.
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Can I please add it? Wow.
And even if that price point? Yeah, even at 5:00, because at
that point it's like it's like people who they'll, they'll
never have an opportunity to like it's an heirloom piece like
Restoration Hardware 20K new 5K,like you can get plywood and
pleather for five grand. I think people might be thinking
like, well, you know, Facebook marketplace is for the lower end
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of the market or, but like you either want to be the most
expensive or the most cheap, right?
There's people at both ends and everywhere in between.
Yeah, I'm like a middle grounds between retail that comes
delivered and knew that you haveto pick up like I'm I there
isn't really competition betweenmy listings.
It's a very, very unique offer of it's a used couch on Facebook
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Marketplace. But I did the inspection.
My video inspections are really thorough, so there's no
surprises on them whether they come to see it or whether they
take delivery sight unseen, which is often.
And that's the goal with my videos is where it's be good
enough. It's like, yeah, he literally
showed me all the reasons not tobuy it and highly dealt with
that much detail that there was anything missing.
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So yeah, sure, bring a plan. And do you lead with the video
first on the listing when you goto sell it?
Yes, I pioneered videos on listings.
Like it was way back when that was my like signature move.
Was that when they messaged me? Hey, is this still available?
I would have a keyboard shortcut.
Yep, with two PS Yep, it expandsinto Yep.
Here's a quick little video inspection of it and then I'd
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fire over a 59 second video thatshowed all the reasons that they
would not want to buy it and then they can make a good
decision right there. Since then, Facebook realized
that was a genius and now you can add videos to listings.
What are your numbers like today?
Like how many couches are you flipping on a monthly basis?
What is your revenue and profit like?
The year to beat is 2023. This year was softer and that
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was mostly my fault. In the spring I kind of took my
foot off the gas pedal and didn't have enough humility and
my pricing and stuff was moving slower.
But I'm on the mend now. The goal is always 20K sales
gross profit. So just sales minus cost of
goods usually settles north of 10 like 15 grand probably after
expenses. But it's it's so muddy.
Like I hate the N word of net profit because it's just so
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muddy because it's so much personal expenses.
Like if my I got car seats in the back of a soccer mom SUV,
like I'm driving a 2009 Toyota Highlander sport with car seats
in the back And so that's my grocery getter and kids to
school and church mobile and stuff like that.
So it's probably like an 80K a year income too.
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Gross profit. That's amazing. 100K over 100K
six years running in revenue. I've started dozens of
businesses at this point and every once in a while I'll see
some random fee hidden account that makes zero sense.
When you're dealing with international stuff you see it
all the time. Currency conversions eating 3 to
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Yeah, 2023 was dope. I did 183K in sales, gross
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profit was 120 after expenses, probably like 90K income.
And that was with a three-year old in tow because my wife went
back to work, she was sitting ona nursing license and then she
got an opportunity to go on the supply list and she had a
lightning fast teacher career launch.
She's already full time grade 7 teacher, but that year was she
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got an offer for supply list andshe's like, I don't know babe,
like how would it work? I was like, do it.
I'll take Hudson no problem. And we did she she hopped in
supply list. She was slammed right away.
And every day I had a little 3 year old with me and in the cup
holder I had bottle of milk to get him to sleep.
Like, I maintained perfect nap schedules and drop his sister
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off at kindergarten, go to the city, fill a trailer, bring it
home, pick her up. Yeah, like, record months.
Just banger after banger with a three-year old.
And I played 75 rounds of golf that year.
Whoa. That's the biggest Plex.
How many hours per week would you say you're working on An
average week, give or take? I wish I had those numbers for
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you but I just, it doesn't feel like work.
Like I'm just going for a car ride with Alex or Mosey just
crushing audiobooks. And no way, no way am I working
40 hours, though I don't think Idon't put pants on for less than
1000 bucks. Like I'll, I'll wait, I'll send
deposits and I'll stack them so that I can get it all done.
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I'll get through two or three done in one go.
Yeah, lots of lots of days off during the week.
And the goal is probably 3 good double or triple pickups.
And then the deliveries don't feel like work.
Like often it's like wife and kids in the car and go to
Wendy's and grab a bag of burgers and stuff like that.
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Or squeezing a round of golf. Like the time freedom is stupid.
Yeah, that is awesome. How much time do you spend
flipping each couch on average? Like how much work do you have
to put into them? If I would think it's like
minutes per couch. Some of you do nothing to.
What does that look like? I don't rehab, I relocate.
You just wipe them down maybe? Yeah most of them are as is.
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I had one recently where I did adelivery that was 2 1/2 hours
away, $500 delivery on top of $1000 profit.
It's a dope run. And then on the way while I was
there I shopped the area. I hate coming home with an empty
trailer so found a couch, put mynose in it, cat piss pissed and
got another 300 bucks off the price.
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Took it straight to my auto detailer and it was 150 bucks
for them to make it brand new. I don't clean it started as a
rehab gig. But yeah, ever since that great
lazy boy was like, Nah. Plus there was a lot of times
where I would that was a bottleneck for me.
And that's where that's the difference between it being a
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hobby and a business is just like identifying bottlenecks and
smashing them. And I am a procrastinator when
it comes to cleaning coaches or actually don't have the skills
to fix leather. I've got a, I've got a guy for
that where I'll drop it off to his garage.
He was a mobile restoration guy.So he would get contracts with
dealerships and he would go fix three cars in a day that were
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off lease before they'd resell them.
That was his thing. But he gave me smoking cash
deals because I would bring themto his garage.
And you know, you can either have what's what's the saying?
You can have it fast, you can have it cheap, or you can have a
good. You got to pick 2.
His was good. His was good and cheap and it
was like, take, take as long as no problem, I don't need it, I
don't need it. Put it in his garage and a month
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later I'd say, hey, is that thing done yet?
He's like, oh, yeah, come Tuesday, it'll be ready.
So that was. But he's a magician.
But I can count on one hand how many times I've used them this
year. So that's my leather guy.
And then if it's fabric for cleaning and stuff like that,
I'd way rather drop it off to the detailer because they got
the big guns. I had a green little Bissell
extractor machine and I gave it away to a customer one time
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because tart malfunctions on me in the winter and it had salt
stains. When I dropped the couch off.
I was like, here, just have it, here's a free machine.
You're still just using trailer for everything.
You don't like a box truck or. No open trailer, utility trailer
on AV6 SUV. So it's like as far as moving
couches go, it's two trucks for half the price.
It's a 12 by 6 open trailer. It's just brand Tetris XL and
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I've put some comically large loads in there.
In soggy season. I have to be a little more
particular and like I'm doing like mental Tetris and how I'm
going to tarp it and stuff like that.
And sometimes I'll get a U-Haul for 45 bucks including insurance
for 24 hours for a 12 by 6 enclosed.
But it's got all the aerodynamicqualities of a garden shed I
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get. I'm just chugging gas on those
days. The dream for me is a snowmobile
trailer. 7 by 16 full aluminum snowmobile trailer.
I had someone pick up a couch one time and throw it in there.
I was like, oh buddy, when I sawlike how much room it was in
there. You were coveting him hard.
Big time. Like coveting?
Yes. You're 2 hours north of Toronto.
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That's like rural Canada. How?
How many people live in your area?
I don't know. What city is it?
Muskoka typically around the three hours one way mark is when
my delivery fee is discouragingly large where
people are like, sorry Facebook's showing me stuff
further away. I don't actually want it that
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bad but the most I've ever charged for delivery was 600
bucks and it was 3 hours one way.
Wow, I'm looking it up. Muskoka has 66,000 people like
that whole area. And then you got Barry.
Is that just South of you? Yeah, that's where my animals
are. That's where I was originally
picking up. 150,000 people there, like that's not a lot of
people. No, we got to be more than that.
They got 2 Costco's. No that's not true.
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They have one Costco but I feel like it's more than I feel like
it's a half mil greater barrier area.
I mean, maybe like the greater area, but yeah, everyone needs a
couch. Like it doesn't need to be a lot
of people. Correct.
And that's, I mean, really well positioned where it's like my
own little private fishing pond where all ripped down to the
city where inventory is so denseand nobody has trucks like I'm
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buying in the like Tesla, BMW neighborhoods.
And a lot of my stuff does get picked up like it's I'm not
delivering everything. A lot of trucks and trailers
come to my locker to pick up, but they weren't going to the
city. It's like an import business.
What percentage of the quote UN quote market I know like you
have no way of really knowing. Do you own like of these types
of couches like house? How much of this is yours versus
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if you really wanted to work 100hour weeks?
How big could this be? I only want to buy them as fast
as I can, as fast as they're selling.
I have 5 lockers. I'll keep our levels when I'm
when I'm at capacity I'll drop some prices.
When I've got room I'll start buying like we should be
October. October was super light but kind
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of a banger. You say lockers, you mean
storage units? Yeah, 5.
I got five of them. I had 6, I dropped 6 was giving
me a complex where that's where the my pricing was not humble
enough because it was like I gotspace.
October I did 10,340 in sales with a gross profit.
So just sales minus cost of goods, gross profit of 7240 and
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that was 7 transactions. Wow 1000 bucks profit per
transaction. Yeah, that's the game for me is
saying no to stuff. If I'm driving down in the city,
I want a whale or two tuners. I throw back all the bass.
How big are your lockers? 10 by 23 of those, 10 by 25.
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Two of those. And what are those costs in
total per month? They're they're very affordable
compared to the city. I'm like when I had six of them,
it was 1160 and I just dropped one.
So I think I'm under a grand, just under a grand like 1011
hundred square feet. And they stack pretty well too.
So I like to have lots and have them as showrooms instead of
tuna cans because when people when it sucks to have to pull
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everything out to show someone acoverage rate, I would way
rather have 5 showrooms than three tuna cans.
Do you ever dabble with other large items flipping them or is
it only couches? Well, I need a loss on a washer
and dryer. I hurt myself with a dining
table. I smashed a hutch.
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I just really like couches. I can lift them solo so safely
and that's what my markets looking for.
I get lots of requests for otherstuff.
I get offered a million China cabinets.
No thank you. Just couches.
I just love couches and they're so easy.
We'll just throw those suckers around so easy.
You can't really break them thateasily, right?
I mean, they're just Hardy as opposed to like a China cabinet.
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Especially premium ones. Yeah, Yeah.
Like the China cabinets. I have to decide whether I want
to break the furniture or break my body when I put it down.
Whereas couches is like my movements are so solid, like
it's like Portage in a canoe, you know?
That's the most Canadian thing I've heard all day.
Even if I can't do like the heroic, like clean and jerk from
all four feet on the floor, I can still stand it up from one
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end and then use my thigh as a fulcrum and let it fall and
catch it and then big and I'll throw it up with my.
If my dog wasn't so cute on the couch, I'd lift this couch for
you. But.
Have you ever hired an employee or used like contractors or
helpers? Or do you have any intention or
desire to scale that way? Or are you good?
My hire that I'm tempted would be a VA to shop couches for me
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and just fill up my messenger and run my scripts and just have
everything queued up so that when people drop prices and
stuff like that then I'm becauseit's like having an irons in the
fire. I need like 20 conversations on
the go at all times to have like5 good purchases a week and I
hate shopping is my least favorite part.
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It's the most crucial part. And it's just like, I go full
Hormuzi with the headphones and the caffeine and nicotine gum
and like I just walk in just like, well, look at 300 couches
message 50 by 3. Do you ever list stuff before
you buy it to see how much demand there is for it?
Or is that kind of tricky because it's already listed?
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I do have a wait list, so I havein my phone the West in my
contacts is very long because it's wants brown leather
sectional, wants burgundy coach loveseat, that kind of stuff.
And so whenever I have somethinglined up with at least anyone
will work this and then I'll screenshot it and crop the price
out of it and say is this one the maybe?
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And then as soon as I have my hands on it, I'll send them a
video inspection from the driveway.
But very rarely am I taking something straight to a
customer. It's usually going to the locker
anyway. Yeah.
How long did it take you to learn the values of these
things? Like to really know when you had
a good deal on your hand, Were you just doing a bunch of
research like looking for comparable couches or how did
you work through that? No trial and error and school of
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Hard Knocks for sure. The ceiling.
Besides Eleanor, she was a Unicorn.
Is 2500 for a catch and it's like a $10,000 sectional 2500
bucks and there's some outliers like I've definitely had some 35
hundreds and 3000 No 4 thousandsof the jump is straight from
like 3500 bucks right up to LNR at 52.
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I want all of my listings ideally to be north of 1000
bucks, but it's still nice to fill in the cracks with the odd
like $650 couch love seat and just on volume with them.
Yeah, the reason October was so dope with 7 transactions and 10
grand was because it was just banger, banger, banger.
That's what you want. Or no, not love averages 8020
rule. We just like cut out all the
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crap. Just whales and tennis, yeah.
What are some best practices forselling or buying anything on
Facebook Marketplace? Not procrastinating listing, not
procrastinating anything, actually, just constantly on the
lookout for bottlenecks and justsmash them.
Sometimes a bottleneck will be that the photos sucked because
when I brought it home, the sun was behind my back and I've got
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a big shadow holding the phone over the thing and I need to go
back in the morning to relist itwhen the sun is behind it.
Lots of natural, no direct light.
So there's lots of little thingslike that.
And that's why I got in trouble in the spring is because I was
ignoring that. Just wait.
Too comfy at home. And the ice storm in Ontario was
brutal. We got our butt kicked last
year. Best practices video inspections
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for sure, so you can push peopleto making good decisions when
messaging people. OK, this is the answer I want to
give you keyboard shortcuts having everything so that you're
not typing all day long. Like my keyboard shortcuts are
just of just Hey, anyone scheduled to pick this up
doesn't need any repairs or restorations.
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That's if it's leather doesn't need any repairs or stain
removal. That's if it's fabric.
Is anyone there to help me lift it?
I'll be alone or weekday morningor weekday morning pickups
possible and I will send I'll batch that whole thing.
I'll I'll look at the listing and then, OK, so the listing
says pet free, smoke free and and good use condition.
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And then from that, I'll fill inthe gaps using my keyboard
shortcuts. And then now their reply is all
the information I need. And then I pump the brakes on my
enthusiasm with a, another keyboard shortcut.
Just starting to have the peak at options might get back to
you. And because from the when you're
selling, if somebody's asking a bunch of questions and then they
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shoot an offer, it's like now you want it.
But when you slow play it a little bit and sometimes it's
safe to do that. If it's, if they already have it
priced at a GTFO price, then I'mnot going to slow play it.
But most of the time I'm extracting all the unnecessary
information and I'm pausing it with a just starting to have be
good options. Might get back to you message.
You get bonus points for not ghosting them because everybody
(34:34):
else ghosting them and I've got a good favor of that.
And then I'll reconnect with a polite lowball offer of hey, any
chance you'd consider this much for an out of towner?
I could come from the skokwith trailer and pick up because it
came like gift wrapped of just like I'm so far away.
Could you take this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's truthful, a polite low ball offer.
And I was deceitful. I said, yeah, I'm, I'm shopping
(34:58):
for my little sister who got herfirst apt.
I don't have a little sister. I'm the youngest of three
brothers. I did that once.
And then the lady was like, Oh my gosh, of course, come get it.
Then you felt dirty. And oh, I felt terrible.
I was like, that didn't even. It wasn't even necessary.
Like she, yeah, she was such a sweet lady.
And I did that once. And then I had got in the car
and I was like looking in the mirror, like, who are you?
(35:18):
And. What have you become?
It's just a couch. Never again, never again.
Honesty. Always, always, always.
And I want people to know that I'm a reseller because I want
them. I want my name and number in
their phone all the time. I'll get messages.
I'm just like, hey, you got yournumber from Sophie.
Any chance you'd be interested in this one?
They're my customer too. That's that's surprising to me
(35:38):
that you would have so much repeat business.
I wouldn't have thought that it's a signal that you're really
you're working that like it's intentional.
It's not by accident. Like it feels like skills and
tools, like in the same way thatI sit in my hot tub and look at
all the trees that I want to cutdown.
It's like I would kill myself ifI tried that.
I need to call my buddy Mike, who's got climbing spurs and
(35:59):
three different kinds of saws and a dump trailer and a chipper
and ridiculous skill with tying knots and stuff like that.
Where every time that I lift a couch with somebody, they'll
say, wow, you look like you've done this before.
It's like because like and say, all right, we're going to go
front side down. OK, once we hit this corner, I'm
going to go high. You stay low.
Good. And we're going to rifle it a
(36:20):
little bit, kind of a 45. That's it.
Perfect. And OK, once we clear that
armrest, we're going to buy 3 inches and I'm going to go this
way. Can you take a step to your
left? There it is, perfect.
Like it's like it's just surgical.
It's just a weird little skill set that I've not only
developed, but I actually have amemory back in high school when
I was playing Halo with my buddyDevin in his basement.
(36:42):
And no, that's not true. No, we were smoking bongs in his
bedroom. That's what we were doing.
And we, I was, and we were sitting next to each other on
the bed and it felt way too intimate for 217 year olds.
And I was like, you know what, We should get that chair from
the basement. That or the love seat from the
basement that no one uses. And so we go to get the love
seat and his idea on how to get it through the door was
(37:03):
terrible. And I was like, hold up.
No, no, no, no, no, this side down, this side up.
And then he he like laughed and he's like, have you done this
before? Like, do you want to start a
moving company? Like that was so good and it was
flawless. And it was just like, I saw it.
Do you ever see Goodwill hunting?
You know when he's. He's at the.
Cafe with his sweet girl and andshe's like, how do you know all
(37:26):
this? And he's like, he's like, you
know, Mozart sat down and he sawthe piano and he could just
play. He's like, I can't hit a ball
out of Fenway or I can't hit a home run.
I can't. And I all I can play is chop
specs. But when I see this stuff, I
could just play and just putting, putting couches through
doorways and just like. Yeah, it's your skill.
There's sometimes that pain me that I didn't have my tripod set
(37:47):
up where it was like I impressedmyself of just like use a tea
towel as a slider and get a couch through a patio door by
myself and then Portage it down the stairs.
And like I've done some ridiculous solo deliveries And
it's just a weird little skill set That that and backing up a
trailer and negotiating, negotiating on Facebook, like
(38:09):
every aspect of this game is just like all my skills just
combined into one beautiful little craft.
And just like, hey, you need a couch, You need your couch
picked up. It's just I'm good at it.
So many of those skills are applicable to any anything
though, like the negotiating theso valuable.
Yep, and I'd probably be a good realtor.
I'd probably be a good mortgage agent, but kind of she's man
(38:32):
time freedom is just so hard to be.
And then like the coaching and stuff like that.
I've got lots of guys that are making like 1500 bucks with my
info and just stealing all my scripts.
And I've got guys in California and couple different States and
it's dope. Those are my favorite messages
to get of just like selfies withthe kids and doing couch pickups
(38:56):
and stuff. To just copy and paste what I'm
doing is really cool. The coaches is dope for like
transition season. Like anybody who hates their
job, it's like, yo, there's a lot of people.
If you can lift the couch, you've got a truck or a trailer.
Like it's the dopest transition gig to either supplement or
replace your income and just paythe bills until the next thing
takes off. Is this something you would
(39:17):
recommend to other people to tryor is that a softball question?
Oh, yeah, totally. If you can, you don't have to be
able to lift the couch by yourself.
Like some of my students are string beans that are not able
to lift the couch like I am. But like me lifting couches is a
very, very unique form of laziness where it's like I could
jackknife park the trailer and use Dolly.
It's like, Nah, I'm just going to pick it up.
(39:39):
I'm the kind of guy who would rather walk across the house to
find my flip flops, then bend over and put my shoes on that
are right there in front of me. You know, like it's a very
unique kind of laziness. And that's.
That's what the couch lifts are,too.
If you can carry in a stubborn load of groceries, need to make
10 grand a month, purple couchesall day.
Like most of the time when I'm when I'm buying a couch, one of
my first questions is, is someone there to help me lift
(40:00):
it? You can lift half a couch for
sure. And if it's in the garage or you
can drag it to the edge of a pickup truck.
Like if Brian Panita can do it, you can do it.
I didn't know he was doing it. He was like the original.
I thought I invented it, and then someone sent me a video of
Brian Pernita with a red hair atthe time, and I was like, oh,
everybody's going to be doing itnow.
(40:21):
I think you're a lot more respected than he is, but that's
just me. All right.
Well, Tim, where can everyone find you?
Full Time Flipper, The full timeflipper.
There's a girl who made a page, did one cartwheel, took the name
Full Time Flipper, and so I'm the Yeah.
That's your name on Instagram. Yep, the full time flipper.
(40:42):
Do you have a website? In the bio, there's my landing
page for the couch course. Cool.
Thanks, Tim. Cool beans dude, thanks so much
for having me all. Right, what do you think?
Please share it with a friend and we'll see you next time on
the Kerner office.
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