The Most Copy-Paste Way to Build an Online Business⏐Ep. #224

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The price tag you can put on that skill set is insane.
There's projects that we've charged 100 grand for and
they've done like 5 days. So this is our one shot output,
yeah. Oh my gosh, did you even ask it
to do that? No no no, I didn't ask it to do
any of this type of stuff. We just figured it out.
My prompt was like tiny 2 sentences.
How long would the next site take to just copy and paste it?

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If I could right click duplicate10 seconds, you're done.
That's it, just with a lazy approach.
You're out doing Reddit TripAdvisor with a Wingstop's
own brand. 0 probe dollars paid on advertising costing basically
nothing to build. This is all the pages we're
ranking number one for. People don't realize that sites
like TripAdvisor and Yelp have millions of pages that took

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billions of dollars of software engineering and a decade of
grinding. It can be done for 99% less and
99% faster today. All right, guys, this episode is
as tactical as you get. And to those listening on audio,
there's a big chunk of this that's very visual, but we made
a special edit of the audio version and left in all the meat

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you don't need to see. So don't go to a different
podcast. You're still going to love this.
And if you're on Spotify, watch the video version because we put
the visual stuff in there. Or if you don't have a video
podcast, just go to my YouTube and watch the whole thing there.
In this episode we go from idea to vibe.
Coding tools, shortcuts, growth hacks, how to copy paste these
websites, how to find the designtools if you're not a good
designer. It's all in here.

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Please enjoy. Page you turn in the book, it
just captivates you, man, like my excitement couldn't be any
greater. And then a few weeks later it's
even greater than that. It's just like the gift that
keeps on giving. And I haven't literally 15 years
of of just building things. I've never, you know,
experienced a feeling like this as a entrepreneur.
I'd just be able to be creative,have ideas, you know, to have

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the towards your disposal to be able to execute.
It's just, you know, so fascinating and satisfying as
well at the same time. It is, yeah.
So tell me about your directories and what made you
want to start building those in the first place.
Sure. For those listening, we'll
describe everything that he's showing so.
Absolutely. Yeah.
So the directory idea really, I used to build projects, you
know, very early on, you know, Myspace layouts, you know, then

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you know, your dream Weavers of the world and Figma to convert
into HTML, the whole 9 yards. And so I started to just sort of
like, you know, build some sitesout.
And then I came across AI. And what became really
interesting with AI was the factthat you can create these
programmatic SEO pages. And what we mean by programmatic
is effectively if you think about a directory like

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TripAdvisor, you know every single URL, like there's, you
know, thousands of URLs. So you have like your
tripadvisor.com for every, you know, slash city.
Then inside the city you've got towns and then towns you've got,
you know, restaurants and bars and clubs or whatever.
You've got like you can go on forever and no one is sitting
there manually adding all these pages.
Programmatic means that they're kind of just, you know, created

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automatically just on the flight.
And so AI enabled that to be very accessible for me at least
where I could just say to myself, OK, well, if I can just
create content and the content can also be generated by AI,
then technically I don't have tospend all that time creating all
this type of content. I could just create, you know,
thousands of web pages, send them into Google and then get

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them to rank well. And so originally I I did this
with a a recipe site guilty chef.com.
OK. So I just built the app, we
released the app 20,000 downloads, you know, real quick.
Unpaid downloads. Paid freemium.
Yeah, it was, it was freemium. So we probably made I think it
was like $8000 or something maybe in the first like week.

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It was like recurring revenue aswell.
So it was like, you know, it wasinsane.
I just, you know, got obsessed with, you know, programmatic SEO
because of AI and Guilty chef.com was born.
So this site now ranks, you know#1 just globally for keywords.
So if you just go to like, even if I go to like a Incognito tab
and I, let's say I type in Wagamama crispy chili mushrooms

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recipe, you'll see like Guilty chef is like #1 right here,
organic above, like Pinterest, Instagram, all these videos,
Reddit, like we're right here. And you open that up, it takes
you to our site and you get to see the actual recipe and the
directions. And all this content was just
generated through AI effectively.

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So the restaurants, the dishes you can see like these are
restaurants. You open up a restaurant, then
you have the restaurant and the restaurant name.
And so basically this is where the SEO kicks in.
Like people search bugging recipes, you know, it will come
up with this page. And so the idea for, for me, it
was it was a simple idea, which was there's nowhere to find
recipes inspired by the restaurants you love.

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You have some websites like that, but they're normally
people that have cooked recipes at home in the Yeah.
They're not aggregated. There's not one website
dedicated to that. Is that why it's called Guilty
Chef? Because it's like unhealthy,
Like restaurant recipes mostly. That's a no.
That's a good question. Guilty chef.
I can't remember where the name came from.
I think like. You probably just were looking
for good domain names and no. No, no, no, no, I wasn't that.

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That's the crazy thing about theSEO that this has been a best
performing SEO site of the two directors I'm going to show you.
And the domain is like nothing to do with it.
Like, and that's what's wild is like people always think that
you need a good my my next director I show you is all about
the domain name. But like this one, like it
doesn't matter about domain name.
So especially if you're startinga directory, don't go crazy
about the domain name because itcan just rank well, so long as

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your content is structured just using the the basic things that
you need. And when I say basic things,
those are things like, you know,creating content, linking
between the pages of your content, you know, using schema.
So this is schema.org is like something a lot of people don't
know about. But if you look at schema here,
there's different types of schema you can have and what

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schema is, it's a series of likeproperties that Google looks for
on a web page to see if there's information about that.
So for restaurants it might lookfor opening hours or it might
look for price range or payment methods and that.
And the more the more boxes you check like the higher likelihood
you are of ranking. Right.
And so if you think about beforeAI, you'd have to first of all

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have an SEO strategist or someone who'd be like, this is
what you need to do. Then you'd have to figure out,
OK, well, which of these do I use?
Then you have to go and, you know, create the content and
then you got to have someone design the pages and develop
them. That's like a team of four or
five people already. And so now with like Cursor and
Claude code, I just go straight into it and I just say, hey,

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create me a category for restaurants and just make it
compatible with schema and include all the relevant
properties I need and it will just do it in like seconds.
And so that was like, if you take that method and you
multiply it by like 100 or 1000,you start to get like all of
these pages of content. And even the content is
generated by AI. And that's the other thing is

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that people think that AI generated content can't rank in
Google. It absolutely can.
And in fact, this also ranks in LLM models as well.
So ChatGPT and Claude will also pick up these recipes.
If someone types in a certain recipe they have on my site and
you check the sources, you'll come up with my content before,
you know, some other, you know, recipe site.
Yeah. People need to understand people

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are asking questions on Google and Google is in the business of
giving them answers, right? So if Google does not have
enough answers to pull from, andsome of the best ones or some of
the only ones are AI generated, it's gonna show them.
Absolutely, absolutely. I think it's too much like kind
of opinion around whether sites rank or not or, you know, it

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will SEO work with AI, But I think like there's no better
thing than like seeing it in action.
So, you know, I'm sure for yourself, Chris, and even like
myself, I like facts, right? And I feel like as a builder, I
want to just see it for myself, right?
Because there's plenty of opinion out there.
And so building a directory, this was a way of me seeing, OK,
well, can it actually work? It's like all the things I'm
building and doing, all the iterations are just like me, you

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know, kind of poking at a curiosity I have.
But also because I can now tap into AII can executed so quickly
that I can actually get a factual answer quicker than me
scrolling through X looking at opinions.
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
So this is an example of like the the SEO, so the orange is
organic growth. So this means that there's zero
paid traffic. So I'm spending $0.00 on

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marketing on this site. So this is this is guilty
chef.com that you're showing me traffic.
Yeah, that's right. So guilty chef here.
What's the date we're looking atlike August 2024 is when it
starts ticking up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so, yeah. So this was like I kind of like
rebuilt the site around June. And so the Google start picking
up, you know, probably around August.

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And then look, we're just getting like 5-6 hundred
800,000. And then I don't know what this
huge spike was here, by the way.I've no idea.
I've never figured that out. But there was a crazy spike
here. I think the most interesting
part of this chart is the very middle between March and August
2024. You're adding pages, pages,
pages, pages and not getting anyfeedback from Google.

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Nothing is showing you that it'sworking, but you're just
persisting, persisting, persisting.
All of a sudden in August, Sign of life, September, and then
it's literally only up and to the right ever since.
But like, that's why SEO is so important is because you need to
be willing to be patient, play the long game.
And it's not like it's costing you anything like 50 bucks a

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month for certain tools, a little bit of your time.
Other than that, like if you canbe patient, now you're at how
many visits organically per month?
Almost 11,000 now. Jeez Louise.
Yeah, and and by the way, it's we, we, there's a, there's a
paid side to the site as well. So people people can also go on
here and just like subscribe andgenerate their own recipes as
well, so. There's only 160 pages on this

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site, yeah. Yeah, there's not much at all on
this site. Well, imagine if you had 16,000.
You know what? Again, it's, it's my fault
because I just get like I, I, I ran this as almost like an
experiment and it like performedbetter than I expected and I was
like, OK, I've got to. Like I've done the same thing.
Yeah, so you can see here by theway, like you know how we, by
the way, Ahrefs just as a tool is a great tool to to to get

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like you can get you get a free account on there and you can
just do keyword research. You can go on like, you know,
keyword research up here, Keywords explorer.
And so if you just want to starta directory in a certain niche,
like you could just type in, I don't know, let's just say, you
know, you know, recipes. Let's do something more niche.
Let's say you know, toddler recipes and you can search by
different regions, but let's sayyou know US.

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It will show you like what the search volume and trends look
like, you know, over a given period of time.
And also what you want to look at here is like how easy is that
keyword to rank? Which means that, OK, well, this
is kind of a broad keyword, which is pretty good.
So if you can find the.com whichactually I own
toddlerrecipes.com as well. OK, good for you.
Yeah, but I haven't, I haven't done anything with it yet.

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So nothing, nothing interesting yet.
But there's but you can just seelike there's so many like, you
know, recipes and why I found this interesting is because
there's all of these other long tail keywords.
So like. Smoothie recipes.
Muffin Recipes. So you're seeing like, now look
at the volume again, like, you know, 900 searches per month,
600 searches per month. And like, if you can come up #1

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they will aggregate into like a,you know, decent audience.
I'd really say like where, wherethis funnel becomes interesting.
And I haven't even like taken itto this level yet with my site
is like, you know, traffic is one thing, but like e-mail
capture, you know, Google Pixel,you know, the amount of
retargeting that's possible. Even being able to, you know, I
could go into the ingredients side of my web page and then
have brands bidding or like people are Walmart bidding for

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like spots. So like people would click on
Pepper and it connected Walmart site for you to buy it, you
know, so when you start buildingin traffic, you hold the
leverage. And I think that's the
interesting strategic part of this type of business that I
liked is that, you know, the traffic is yours, you know, and
so like it speaks for itself. And so you can really trade
against that. It becomes a currency and it can

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easily net you, you know, even if it starts off being 500 or
$600 a month, man that that's great.
And then you can start growing that more and more and more and
start to become something meaningful.
So you said you're also monetizing this, You have like a
paid section of the site. How is that?
Going yeah, the paid section, but when there's nothing crazy
right now because we're not really pushing people towards
it, but like you can go on here and you can just like build your
own recipes basically and like pay it's.

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Just a wrapper. Yeah, yeah.
So it's just like, you know, it's just Anthropic running in
the background, just basically, yeah, just, you know, running
the recipe and just creating therecipe for you.
So I can already see some bugs on it because I haven't even
been on it in like, you know, a few months.
So yeah, but that's basically what it.
Is do you have ads on the site or is it monetizing in any way
or is it you just? But no, no ads right now.

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So it's probably revenue wise, Ithink it's probably probably
just doing like maybe like seven, $800 a month, something
like that. Like there's nothing crazy, but
it's still like, you know, it's just still something called this
comes in for some organic traffic.
So, yeah, just like people who have, and a lot of it's funny
because a lot of the customers are those that have like signed
up at peak times, like maybe around, you know, holiday
season, they're trying to look for recipes and they're paid
like 5 bucks or something to join the site.

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And the memberships are just running and they might not even
be that active, but, you know, they're just in there.
And, you know, that's the other interesting thing about these
type of businesses is that, you know, if you create products
that can get high volumes of traffic by very, you know, low
increments of revenue, people are willing to pay because it's
just there and you can, you're likely to capture them.
And also if you start to increase your traffic and you

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get those people coming in, those $5 start adding up and you
know, can, can, can become something meaningful.
Yeah, and now what? What tools did you use to build
this site? This was built in web Flow, but
all of the sort of the AI components of it were built
using cursor. And so that cursor I think can
feel very daunting to people. So like I've got it open here,

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you know, people can feel like this is like, you know, just for
programmers. And even I felt that way.
And then when I actually went into it, really it's just like,
think of it like an iMessage almost, you know, if you could
just talk, you can create. And actually the power lies in
that those that are creative andcan express their ideas as
opposed to those that are like technical.
You don't have to be technical at all.

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And that's why I've set up, you know, I've got the school
community five day Sprint. I've also got five day
sprint.com where you can go on here and just set up your
project and it will just give you like a one line string.
Like if you set your project up there like this and you can just
hit copy here and you can go into to open up cursor, hit
paste right here and hit enter. And this this one line will set

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up your entire project for you. And so all you then have to go
is do is go in there and just iterate the features that you
want. But like the context of your
project is all in there. And that's how I feel like we
should be building because there's so many interesting
things that you can do with these projects, but you need a
scaffolding, right? And so Guilty Chef is like,
think of that as a scaffold, which I was able able to then

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use myself to build bestdubai.com.
So if you look, the sites are identical in terms of how they
look, right? Look like even a search
literally doesn't even move. Both on web flow.
These were both built like visuals, were built on web flow
and but all the functions and functionality were like through
cursor. OK.
And I just connected them into web flow, yeah.
So you live in Dubai, What gave you the idea to start this?

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Just like do you see a differentsite that was similar that?
The guilty chef started working,so it'll be interesting to see
what the AH refs data shows us. But guilty chefs started to work
and when it started to work, I got I had already been in.
So I moved to Dubai around the time I was building actually.
So I literally moved to Dubai here, right?
And I started to build the project and I started to see

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results around here. And then I was like, hold on a
second, like this is interesting.
This hadn't even started fully growing yet, but just some
results around that time. I'd been in Dubai long enough to
know that, OK, I'm always looking for places to eat, place
to visit. There's no, not actually any
great directory. And if you go to like Dubai's
actual tourism site, it doesn't have like it's very, their

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directory is very basic, right? And it's very bloggy.
It's like, it's not really immersive.
And so I thought, OK, that's interesting.
And so then I thought to myself,I started brainstorming and I
started to brainstorm loads of words, but I didn't brainstorm
best Dubai. It was like best restaurants to
buy or best things in Dubai things because I never thought
the domain would be available. Yeah.
And then from out of nowhere, I just actually

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searchedbestdubuy.com and the domain was available for like 9.
That's. The best feeling in the world
when you type it in and then you're like, it's not going to
be available. I know it's not, but I just have
to. And then it is you like you've
never clicked Buy faster. Oh yeah, right.
And texassnacks.com send. Eats.com.
Wow, I've got what's that secondone?
Send Eats. Send Eats OK like shipped food.

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Yeah, Oi, that's nice. It was a company that shipped
food, so dude. Sometimes the domain will like
just just like spawn the idea for you like it would just come
from some cool domain. Totally.
I I own the domain twice used.com and like I thought
someone could have like an Etsy for for upcycled stuff, you

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know? And so beer Best to buy.com was
available $900. And then the interesting thing
was I then searched other domainnames similar for other
countries and other towns, like bestsaudi.com for example was
$100,000. And so when I saw the price
difference, I was like first of all, this is going to be like a
very valuable domain and secondly, I can't believe it's

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available. So I didn't talk to no one as
I'm not going to tell no one. I'm just going to buy it.
And once I've got it, then I've got it.
And so I bought it, got access. I was like, OK, I still couldn't
believe it. And then it was like the mission
to be like, OK, well, what can we turn this.com into?
And so with this one was focuseda bit more like restaurants,
hotels, malls, schools. Again, all this content AI
generated. So like AI is aggregating Google

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reviews, AI is going and you know, getting the, you know,
giving a scoring system, you know, picking up amenities and
check in times and maps and all this type of content FAQs.
And again, all of that is being connected to schema.
So like you'd have a schema for,you know, local business.
And I'll just say to cursor, hey, I've got a local business

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site, I need schema implemented.Excuse me, and I'll just write
the schema. We've started to see some
meaningful organic results now. So again, $0.00 paid on
advertising costing basically nothing to build.
Like when I say nothing, I mean like less than $100 or
something. And so if you go to, let's say
we type in one of the keywords that Parker Parkers is like a
big restaurant here, type in like Parkers Dubai reviews, then

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we're #2 below TripAdvisor now in Google.
And so that's, you know, coming up above Facebook, Zomato,
Reddit, you know, all these other sites, OpenTable.
OK. So if someone wanted to start a
directory from scratch today, can you just show us like what
your first steps would be, How would you start, what tools
would you look to what, how would you do research, etcetera.

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Yeah, sure. So first of all, I think AH refs
is absolutely a great thought toyou just to do keyword research
first of all. So I think like go and explore
keywords. I've been using Beehive for
about two years, almost as long as they've been around, and I
got to tell you, watching other creators stay stuck on basic
newsletter platforms is painful.You're losing thousands of
dollars because you don't know what your subscribers are worth.

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And when potential sponsors ask who reads your newsletter and
you say entrepreneurs or moms, you lost the deal.
But Beehive Hive has a survey feature that's brilliant.
You can set up a few questions about demographics and spending
habits that you send them through right after they
subscribe. So instead of telling sponsors,
oh, I have 5000 subscribers, youcan say I have 3750 homeowners

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making over $75,000 a year who spend $200 plus per month on
home improvement. And that's proof that their
ideal customers are reading yournewsletter.
Go extract your e-mail list fromwhatever platform you're stuck
on because it's probably costingyou thousands in lost deals.
Beehive makes migration easy. You can move all your emails in

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minutes so you can get paid whatyou're actually worth.
Head to beehive.com/chris for 30% off your first three months.
That's B EE HII v.com/chrisyou'll thank me
later. Now try and find domain names as
close as possible to the.com because I do think that gives
you an added advantage. And so instantdomainsearch.com
is a great tool to use because if I just type like the reason

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it's called is because it gives you all the different like URLs
available like from one search soyoucanseethatthe.com and like
any other, you know, ones you like and the green ones
obviously available. And so I love just using this
site to find domains. Once you've got a domain and
you've got you know the keyword.So spend some time on keyword
research, like really try and see like you know, what are the
interesting trends here and whatyou what you want to look for

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just as a rule of thumb. Are keywords with a low keyword
difficulty and a higher search volume.
And so if we actually looked right now here and we said let's
just say I have no snacks and just search that since you
mentioned snacks. Do you have like a general ratio
you look for? Like it needs to be under X
difficulty and over Y search volume.
Absolutely, yeah. So, so I would say you want to

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keyword difficulty between 0 and30.
And So what I'll do is I'll comein here and I'll go KD keyword
difficulty between 0 and 30. And then I would start there.
And then the higher the search volume, the better.
So this is actually crazy, by the way, look at this.
So it's very rare you see something.
Like this Wow high protein snacks 9 Keyword difficulty
81,000 monthly searches. So that's a snatch if you can

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get high proteinsnacks.com. So literally let's see if you
can buy that. That's worth a shot considering
some investment people put into businesses.
People sometimes I think about domain names as like how to
price them or whatever. But I think if you're a
generally start a business, likea small business, minimum
$10,000, you'd be considering like making them want to invest

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in starting a business, right? Like begin a small business
loan. And so in this type of age where
you can build things with AI anddirectories, like if I saw that,
I would absolutely buy this if Isaw that type of, you know, this
type of. It's $7000.
Yeah. The domain.
This would kill it though. I love the strategy of searching
for a very broad keyword, yeah, and then looking at what it

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shows you and like, letting yourrabbit holes go crazy from that
point, right? Yeah, because also it can
inspire like different ideas as well.
So, you know, zero to 30 is a good keyword difficulty.
And for search volume, by the way, this is This is why I'm
saying this is crazy. It's because normally I would
say even like 1000 is like good,right?
Because like, yeah, like, you know, and this is 81,000, this

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is 81,000. Yeah.
So like, because if you see a lot of the keywords in my sites,
like they're not, they just aggregate.
So like if I go into where were we like?
Here, Yeah, because there's going to be a long tail of
hundreds or thousands of variations of that keyword.
Exactly. You're not only relying on
toddler snacks. Exactly so like look spicy
Korean Q Wingstop like I'll justshow you what like we're ranking

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number. This is all the pages we're
ranking number one for. So like these are all number one
in Google organic, right? And so like volume, like we can
only get 30 for Noble Wagyu Tacos by keyword difficulty 0.
You know, even this one, I maybeget 42 visitors a month from
this, we can stop. But like, you know, it's volume
is 80, but keyword difficulty 0.And #1 and again, there's loads

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of those that are 000, but like we're getting like 300, two,
5400 and they just aggregate. And again, this goes on for
pages. So we've got pages of just like,
you know, number one position just using the strategy.
Now The thing is like, I think especially since recently I've
been seeing how quickly you can build projects using cursor like
that. These two projects were built
using web flow for their interface.

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And then I used cursor and clawed code for some of like the
the these kind of like HTML elements.
What I realized recently was to actually build things that
clawed code and cursor was called, but I'm a designer, but
I couldn't create something beautiful.
And you've probably heard that there's this thing of AI slot,
right? Like people just creating like,
you know, just crazy things thatAI renders.
But if you look at this site andwe can go into a bit of this

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with some live building in a minute, but all the UI here was
built using cursor and clawed code.
So none of this is using Figma, Nothing here is using a single
design tool. Like every single thing you're
seeing here is done just throughnatural language.
And the, the fascinating thing to me was simply the fact that I
can just use my creativity in mymind and so long as I can

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explain it, I can get an output.And I think that's such a big
lesson for people to take away. Even if you're putting a
directory or whatever, it's like, yes, domain is important,
you know, keyword research is important, but this is like a
stack of skills that you got to build up and you've got to like
look within yourself and think, okay, well, do I have a, a broad
taste palette for what a good website or experience looks
like? And if you do, then great, you

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should be able to explain that. Then it's about the
communication and it's so long as you can like take inspiration
from other sites or other thingsyou've seen and be able to just
simply type it into a tool like cursor right here.
You can get outputs like this but simply by saying to it Hey
can you add a blue card at the top of this card and also do
this and it will just create it for you do.

(24:40):
You only use cursor for projectslike this?
Or do you use replit, lovable, etcetera?
No, I just use cursor and clawedcode.
I find it much easier than Replit and well, I think so.
When you open up cursor by default, you're going to get a
blank screen. And that's what's like quite
daunting for people is like, OK,where do I start?
Because even when I was building, it's like, OK, yes, we
understand. We might know what HTML is or

(25:01):
CSS or whatever. But like if you think about the
modern web, they use frameworks that are like they call next JS
or or Tailwind CSS or these technical elements.
And I have no clue what any of that means.
By the way, even to this day I don't really understand them.
At all. And I think most of my audience
is like a little technical, but definitely not a software

(25:23):
engineer kind of like me, right?Exactly like us.
Yeah, ma'am. So I might go to Casa and I'll
go to Casa and I will say I am building so.
So by the way, how you want to think about this is this is
cursor over here. And so cursor is the software
which has its own chat in it. Again, just using the clawed
model in here we have the terminal using clawed code, but

(25:44):
even though they're inside the same software, they don't these
two chats don't talk to each other.
So this thing over here has no idea what this did and this has
no idea what this does. So basically when I speak to
clawed, I use speak to cursor about something on the right
here. I might do market research with
it. I might help.
It's, excuse me, set up things for me, but then Claude code

(26:04):
will be the executor, right? I think Claude code will give me
feedback. I'll give that feedback to
cursor and cursor sort of like make sure that like all the work
is done correctly. Well, people don't realize that
sites like TripAdvisor and Yelp have not thousands, not hundreds
of thousands, millions of pages that took billions of dollars of
software engineering in a decadeof grinding.

(26:25):
And don't get me wrong, it's still going to be a lot of
grinding to create millions of pages with the Vibe Coding app,
but it can be done for 99% less and 99% faster today.
Yeah, absolutely. And that, that was the thing I'm
spinning out products like daily, right?
Like the the, the directory thatbest to buy.
Like I will probably build a newone within two or three days.

(26:45):
You know, we'll, we'll, we'll rebuild it and make it even
better and get to rank even better in Google.
And so you can, this is where, you know, Chris, a guy like you
is perfect for your type of brain, right?
Someone who has ideas wants to wake up better.
Just execute like this is made for the people who have ideas.
And I'm sure you know, everyone in the audience is like that,
where they're just like, I want to execute this.

(27:05):
And then it you actually can execute quicker and prove your
point and demo it to someone faster than actually just
saying, hey, like, what do you think about this idea?
You know like don't if your gut says do it, just execute and
you'll the time is going to taketrying to experience someone you
can just get the job done. Yeah, let's say that, for
instance, to get this site up and running takes 3 hours of

(27:27):
tinkering and vibe coding, right?
It's not perfect, but it's good enough to hit publishing to put
it on a custom domain. If you wanted to take that site
and you like the look of it, youlike the database that it's
pulling from, but you just want to make
likeketotoddlersnacks.com, OK? Or something entirely different
like horse, horsefeed.com, right?
Whatever, how many hours or how much effort do you think it

(27:48):
would take to use one of these apps to just copy and paste it
in a different vertical? If the first if the first
version took three hours, how long would the the next site
take? Because I'm still waiting for a
good reason why people aren't vibe coding.
Like thousands of directory sites.
Like not a directory site with thousands of pages, but
thousands of them. OK, so let's say we had this

(28:11):
project of protein stacks. If we right click and I click
duplicate and my new site is called duplicate, 10 seconds, 5
seconds. OK, that was like maybe 10
seconds, 15 seconds maybe. And now I can rename this to
toddler snacks. You're done.

(28:31):
That's it. That's answered your question.
Well, so I guess you still got to swap out like pictures and
branding and stuff, right? Yes, but the features, the
functionality, they all live. This is a beautiful thing about
Cursor and Cloud Code is creating files, it's files for
you. All these sites like
facebook.com, it's just a seriesof files, like just code written

(28:52):
inside the files. Like this is what it's creating
for you. So it's creating an entire
application. Like if someone says, oh, I
exited my app for like, you know, Snapchat for for $15
billion, they sold a folder, youknow what I mean?
Like that's, yeah, yeah, yes, there's a database, there's
music, but that's like that's. It like yeah.
That is not it's not complicated, but also it's like,

(29:13):
you know, we this era right now of building allows us all to
open our eyes and wake up and say, oh, like that's it like
that is really it. And and now the tools that are
available, you can create so much value as well with them.
It's. Unbelievable.
You know the last time I posted a directory episode, some people
in the comments were like, oh this is irrelevant now.
AI is removing the need for directories.

(29:35):
What would you say to them? No, not at all, man.
I think like no, like we've justseen it ourselves.
I look by the way we're seeing, right, this is like live data
we're looking at, right. We've like these sites that we
just, I just showed you guys as well.
I don't know, it's gone now these graphs where this is like
in real time, it's growing, you know, it's still growing, it's
still going up. And so man, absolutely not.

(29:57):
There's like, and this is UnitedUS is one of the biggest
locations for traffic for US as well.
You know, that's like a global market.
So yeah, I'd say, I'd say, you know, very much like directories
are, are money. Maker, there's always going to
be a need to remove friction to getting from point A to point B
from getting question asked to question answered, right?
And directories just makes that easier, period.
End of story. People ask about like a ISEO and

(30:20):
there's many guru out there selling like a ISEO courses.
But really at the end of the day, good SEO is good AISEO
like. It's really the same thing.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
Because there's a misconception right now where people, the
obvious kind of argument is while search engines are going
to die and everyone's using ChatGPT, first of all, that no

(30:42):
one's killing off Google right now.
You know what I mean? So really like average Joes,
like no matter what we've achieved, like we're not a
trillion dollar company, right? So we don't have any right to
bet against them or like say anything, let them do what
they're doing and they're going to fight to protect themselves.
Let them do it. And also the, the, the space
we're in, we're seeing how volatile it is in terms of the,

(31:02):
the businesses like, you know, open AI one day is hyping
something up and then, you know,it falls a bit short and then
Google feels like it's falling behind and it kills it with an
image model, like it's a constant, you know, tug of war
between different companies. So let people do what they're
doing. Search is very much around and
even the same strategy schema iswhat is being used to pull up
data inside ChatGPT and cloud aswell.

(31:23):
So if you go into, let's open upChatGPT right now and let's just
type in, you know, give me a recipe for wing Stop Korean
queue wings, right? And let's just see what it comes
out with. I don't know if I put the web
search version on, but let's see.
Don't get me started on ChatGPT 5.
Oh, man, you know what? I actually haven't even used it

(31:43):
that much. Like, I've been using clouds so
much, but people have been telling me it's like, horrible.
Look at the what? Yeah, this is fast Internet as
well. OK, so let's just let this run
for a second, but let's see. So this is ChatGPT just giving
us information. OK, so now let's say give me
your sources. So I write such a pun as well,

(32:04):
isn't it? Yeah.
All right. So I mean how long ago did
Google add that feature where itwill answer your question for
you without you having to click through a website?
That was five years recently. I feel like it was not the AI
answers I'm talking about if youask like all.
Right. All right.
Yeah. What's the capital of boxes?
Malaysia. And it would just instead of

(32:26):
clicking through, what, back then, everyone was like, oh,
like, websites are dead. Google doesn't want us to click
through to. It's like, no, websites are
doing great. Yeah.
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
GPT has, what is it, like, hundreds of millions of daily
active users? And to everyone saying like
Google's dying, Google's dead, look at go to similar web type

(32:46):
in google.com. They're great, they're doing
fine. Yeah, yeah, there's still
billions. Of people using Google every
day. Dude, and like there's, there's
such an I think one of the biggest keywords that I learned
that had a massive impact on like the outcomes I've got my
businesses is, is 2 words value capture.
Meaning like there are times when there's shifts happening

(33:08):
and things are going on where there's a tremendous amount of
value capture opportunity, right?
Like, you know, while this is all happening right now, that
yes, there are some businesses that are just AI wrappers that
maybe in two years might be killed by a ChatGPT app or a
Canva app or something, but it doesn't matter.
Like right now, no, you can capture an audience, you can get
directly audience through socialmedia.

(33:29):
You can go viral for something just by posting reels and being
engaging. You know, you can create and
also we underestimate how many people are on the planet.
There's so many people with different problems they're
trying to solve, so many niches within niches that you can just
tap into and just create so muchvalue and capitalize on it, you
know, and, and not only that, bythe way, forget even the product
conversation, like just showing,showing what I've just showed

(33:52):
you guys right now, for example,like this, I'm the products I'm
showing you, I'm doing those hobbies.
But in my agency, we're doing projects worth millions of
dollars using these type of skill sets, right?
Where businesses will come to usand say, Hey, can you build this
for us? We've got such and such problem.
I would go through a process using clawed code and cursor.

(34:13):
But the price tag you can put onthat skill set is insane, right?
Like insane. Like this projects that we've
charged 100 grand for and they've been done in like 5
days, you know? And that's like
incomprehensible. It's like better than drug
money, you know, And just by learning Bluetooth, by learning
these skills, you know what I mean?
I just had to compare it to something.
No, no, no. I mean, think of the apps like

(34:34):
Calendly, right? Yeah, this guy in Atlanta built
Calendly. Nothing did it like that.
Now there's a million Calendly clones.
And then about two years ago, Google comes out with their own
Calendly feature and everyone's like, Calendly's dead.
It's dead. Calendly's crushing it like like
first Movers Advantage, having aMoat, having traction, having
loyal customers is very, very real, right?

(34:57):
And the other frameworks that I kind of just thought of is,
let's say you build a wrapper today that becomes obsolete in
two years. But that wrapper was like the
first thing you really built with your hands and it feels
good. And it got you kind of addicted
to that feeling of building and creating.
By the time that app or whateverit is that you built 2 years
from now becomes obsolete, you won't care because you will have

(35:18):
to. You'll be on project #9 by then
it will be irrelevant to you. And that's the whole point.
Like we don't build a wrapper toretire with it.
We build a wrapper to taste entrepreneurship and to become
addicted to it, and then to build things that only get
better in time. That's the best point I think of
this whole episode, man, is whatyou just said right there is
like the value of the skill and the experience.

(35:39):
And that, like I said at the right very beginning, I said at
the very beginning, like how I'mfeeling now is like, I can't
compare it to any type of thing I felt before, you know, whether
it's building or designing or creating, like by building with
AII think everyone should experience it just to know the
feeling I'm talking about. It's like it's not when you
experience something and like you can't experience someone
else unless they've experienced it, right?

(36:00):
Like any type of, you know, experience, whether it's
travelling or whatever, I think this is like that, which is
you've got to do it and you'll feel a very particular feeling.
It's like an ignition being started in your body of like
what? It's like a whole new brain
unlock because you don't realizehow many, how many times our
brain actually just stops our idea and doesn't go further than

(36:22):
that because we already know in ourselves.
Well, I'm not technical. I can't afford to be a
developer. And so we just like kind of be
like, meh. And we just kind of carry on.
And then if someone else does it, we kind of look at it a bit
jealous, right? Like it's a, you know, it's
been, it's been that human condition for so many years that
we've got to unwind that and to undo that.
You will start building. And in fact, you will unlock
such a new version of yourself that is confident, a version of

(36:44):
yourself that starts building and creating.
And you actually feel, like, happier around the world.
I feel like so much more energized for my family and
loved ones because I'm having fun.
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the results are in real timeby the way.
Yeah, right. Have you ever heard a story like
on Twitter or anywhere or read an article about an entrepreneur
that built something that later became irrelevant and he just,

(37:04):
like, became broke, penniless, declared bankruptcy and died a
miserable man? I've never read that story.
I've read stories about, you know, I built this app and then
Facebook, like, put me out of business and by the time they're
telling that story, they're a billionaire from something else.
It just doesn't happen like. Absolutely man, and you've
probably experienced that so many times when your businesses
rise well like the you only go upwards like that, you know you

(37:28):
fail up. Well, well, and on the the other
side of that argument is the opposite, where like in 2010 I
opened an iPhone repair store and I was just like counting
down the days. I'm like this, you know, these
screens are going to become unbreakable or they're going to
change. You know, technology is evolving
so fast. Like I got to get it while the
getting is good and I sold it two years later and I don't

(37:48):
regret that. And then I got into the iPhone
parts sales business where I sold wholesale iPhone parts and
I had the same fear. I'm like, I'm in the same
vertical. I'm just higher up the supply
chain and these are become unbreakable.
And then I'd read an article about Gorilla Glass or this new
OtterBox case that's like, Yep, any day now.
Guess what, it's been 15 years. There's 30,000 iPhone repair

(38:08):
shops. All of my competitors that sold
iPhone parts are like many of them are still around.
They're crushing it. Like most opportunities stick
around for a while. And so when we make these
excuses like I want to build a wrapper, it's just, it's
redundant to ChatGPT. It's going to be out.
There's 1000 recipe wrapper appson the App Store route.
Like you need to understand thatthat's not a real excuse.

(38:32):
That's you coming up with excuses to feel better about not
doing it. So you can go to bed that night
and think, you know what? I didn't build that wrapper, but
it's OK because it would have failed.
So I'll just try something else.Like, no, just freaking do it.
Like it's like $20.00 a month for these software products.
Even when when they release likea Max plan, like $200 a month,
people like $200. Yeah, but you're comparing it to

(38:54):
a Spotify subscription. Like you're going to look at the
productivity value. How much was your tuition?
2000 a month at university. And you can learn like that in
like a week now. And, and the fact that if ACTO
came to you trying to hire a developer or go to an agency and
pay $100,000 to an agency or like 10 grand a month to like a
developer. And they came to you and said,

(39:14):
Hey, I'll do this work for you, but I'll bring 10 of my other
amazing friends who also do this.
So you're 100 grands worth of value a month, but I'll give it
to you for like $200. You'd like you'd build that
person a home to live with you. You know what I mean?
Like that's literally what theselike services are like.
And by the way, your story reminded me of two things.
One is, I think it was at Belkinor Anchor, like with the leads,

(39:35):
because when they did the I whenthe when the iPhone was
obviously out, they started releasing, you know, their own
sort of like, you know, accessories and stuff.
And one of the biggest questionsthat he'd get asked from
investors were like what Apple are just going to release their
own and just put them in their stores.
And I think his insight was so simple, but interesting, which
was, let's say the iPhone accessories market is like a $2
billion market. That's like not a market worth

(39:57):
going for for a company the sizeof Apple, right?
And so even by $2 billion marketto like nobody is like a $2
billion market. And so you create the entire
lane just by taking a part of a market that big company
otherwise wouldn't even need to go for go for because not worth
their time. And so sometimes we like can
discount like how valuable ideasare, whether they're worth

(40:19):
pursuing because we just think that someone else might do it
because within their. Business, you know, itself.
Yeah. And the other thing is, is I
think like the time we're in is a most related best to the way
Jeff Bezos set up Amazon, and not from a cliche perspective,
just from a very, very, like, you know, clear example.
He explains that when he set up Amazon, like, you saw this sort

(40:40):
of uptick in Internet usage. And then he figured that so much
of the infrastructure had already been built for him, like
the Postal Service existed, you know, payment processing existed
now the Internet existed. And so all he has to do is kind
of like, you know, put a wrapperaround them and.
So the title wave. Dude, Amazon is a wrapper, you
know what I mean? In in like a lot of ways.

(41:00):
And so it because you're just tying together infrastructure
and so APIs, these aren't postalservices aren't correct.
You have Stripe, it's one stringof like numbers that you need to
integrate into your app like Open AI, Same.
The API keys are all you need tobe able to stitch these things
together, and you'll have to explain to cursor or clawed code
what you want to do with them. You can kill it.

(41:21):
Almost every business is a rapper, and you're talking about
Amazon. I was thinking about the biggest
companies in the world that are consumer brands.
Back to the conversation about paying $200 a month for the the
most expensive version of ChatGPT or or Cloud or whatever.
Let's look at the most valuable consumer brands in the world,
Apple. Why are they so valuable?
Because the products they sell back to value capture offer

(41:43):
A100X differential on what it costs versus the value people
get out of it, right? My $3000 MacBook Pro is going on
Year 5. It runs like the day I bought
it. Like how much wealth have I
created on that little keyboard,right?
That's why I don't think it was so rich.
So if you want to think of the most like they become so
valuable, I should say like the,the market cap of a company is

(42:06):
directly correlated to the amount of value that their
products offer people. So if, if Apple wanted to be
stingy, right, and say, you knowwhat, our customers get so much
value out of these MacBook Pros,we're going to make them $30,000
because they're still going to get 10X value out of them
instead of 100 X. They wouldn't be as valuable
period, end of story. They wouldn't sell as many of
them and their net market cap asa result of this change would

(42:28):
drop significantly. So with that same framework,
open AI like 4 years in is worthhalf a trillion dollars.
They're not even publicly tradedyet.
Their, their last round was $500billion.
One take is like, Oh my gosh, that's we're so frothy right
now. We're like, we're recession
coming. We're at the top.
And the other take is like, whatever they're selling to

(42:48):
consumers, I need to buy becausethat valuation is directly
correlated to the value that their products offer.
So whatever the most expensive plan is, I want a 100X return on
my investment. Why would I pay for the $20.00 a
month plan? Now this is assuming that you
use it and it doesn't just sit there unused.
If you use it on a regular basis, you might as well go to

(43:09):
the most expensive monthly version and treat it as a
Harvard education, because that's a lot more than $200 a
month. Dude, that's where people, you
come in, man, with free content like this that's out there for
people to get. There's no room that you can
walk into to get that type of information that you're
providing video after video. Everything you're saying on this

(43:29):
episode as well, man, that's what it is.
And you can ingest that. And again, you take that then to
your point, use the tools in theway you want to.
But OK, I learned this from thisepisode.
Now I'm going to do this over here.
And like, that's how you're going to get your value by,
like, opening up your ears and your mind and then, like, being
creative in the way you execute with it.
Yeah. By the way, on the Internet.
When we did this search in for this recipe in chat, GBTI then

(43:52):
asked it for its sources and Guilty Chef was #1 and so it
goes to show that I've been hearing people say as well, you
need LLM dot TXT file. There's none of that in my I've
got SEO schema. It's like you said, some of the
HTML is broken right now, like Ineed to fix it.
It's even got bugs. Yeah.
Just ship the damn thing. And you're ranking number one on

(44:14):
Google and #1 on ChatGPT. And so just imagine if I put a
little, if I just worked on thisevery day and like, put more
effort into it. Like it could, there's so many
more things that could probably come from the back of it.
But just with like a lazy approach, quote UN quote, like
you're out doing Reddit or, you know, TripAdvisor with
Wingstop's own brand, you know, because they are not even like

(44:34):
investing time into the right content or strategy.
Yeah, yeah. Here's that produce next page.
Oh, OK. So did you have a product?
Yeah. This is our one shot output.
SO50 plus best protein. Snacks.
Wow, that's incredible. So yeah, probably probably needs
a little bit of a UI work, but you can see it.
So that's. Incredible and it's pulling in
actual high protein snacks. RX bar, Quest nutrition.

(44:57):
It's funny that that number one,the chocolate chip cookie
protein bar. I eat two of those every single
day. Oh dude, I like I I survive on
those. Maybe even those when they're
cool. They're good, they're good.
Click share by that is keep crazy so you could just look
it's all SEO content by the way,you know.
You could just have affiliate links to the Amazon.

(45:18):
Very. Yeah, that is crazy.
And then it has then it has a compare comparison chart here
it's made. So it's done a comparison UI for
us. So like, you know which one's
the highest protein now. Now, by the way, if you wanted
to actually look protein per dollar, like I just got crazy
with this, a whole like lead capture form here.
Wow, protein per dollar. Filtering.

(45:39):
Oh my gosh. Did you even ask it to do that?
No, no, no. That's what I'm saying.
Like you don't. I didn't ask it to.
Do any of this type of stuff like it just figured it out,
like it just goes off and it's some words because I, I told it
to be like the best SEO. You saw my prompt and my prompt
was like tiny. It was like what I actually
said. My words were like 124 word,
like 2 sentences, you know? But then the framework.

(46:02):
So because I installed the framework from here, basically
that gave me the entire prompt for Cloud Code, which I just
copied and pasted. So like this exact thing right
here. Yeah this thing like if I open
up a text file, this is the prompt effectively to create
that right prompt for Cloud Code.

(46:23):
I don't know how to write that but the the most valuable way to
use AI is to get the AI to talk to the AI so you get it to write
to itself, you know and so I'm saying to it, I'm going to curse
on saying this is what I want. It then goes and does research
says OK, well here's what you need to say to clawed code
because clawed code is as best at programming and then because
clawed code is so good at programming and cursor

(46:43):
understands that it's talking toclawed code, it knows how to
talk to it and it's already ingested what I want.
But I've just given it 2 sentences and it's from 2
sentences. It's created me that this entire
thing and now from here, the protein calculator.
Oh my gosh, got a interactive? Calculator holy crap it actually
works. I mean you could create like

(47:03):
high iron drinks, low iron drinks, high carb snacks, low
carbs. Like you can create hundreds of
variants of just like the inserts, you know, macro
nutrient plus type of food. Crazy right?
And like now. It hasn't even created like a
single web page for us. But if I said to create a single
page for one of these, it will do that in a few minutes.

(47:24):
And then if I wanted to connect to the data again, remember when
we set this up, we already gave it our Superbase here.
We gave it our Superbase credentials, which is our
database, right? So you go to superbase.com and
just connect it. And so now it already has a
database. So if I said to it now go into
Superbase, create a table and connect live data to it using

(47:45):
Firecall, you can go do researchand put it in my database.
And now I've got like live information that like users can
use. So by the way, let me just show
you a quick little thing here. Like if you want to change some
of the designs. So like, let's actually say we
want to change some of the buy Now button.
So let's say I want the buy now.So now micro iterations you can
do directly clawed code, right? So like these things, you don't

(48:07):
need to keep going to cursor. So cursor's more for like
building features, functionality, things like that.
But like this is how I design now.
So I might look at this. And by the way, another great
hack for design is use dribble. Like Dribble is basically like a
designer's inspiration tool. But dribble have this hidden
page that used to be public, right?

(48:27):
There's this page that no longersite.
Can you find it now? But the page is still public.
It's forward slash buckets. And the reason it's such a cool
page is because these are effectively private folders that
people are creating with things they like.
And so it's like seeing people'sprivate Pinterest pins, but
these are people who are saving design things they like.
And so I go by the way, for a context, I use dribble

(48:49):
religiously every morning. Like it's a part of just I don't
have to think about it. I'm so obsessed with like
visuals and design that this is just like go to.
I need to know what designs are looking like.
And so you go in here and we caneven type in something to
search, but let's say I go here and type in like, you know,
e-commerce, for example, and it would just give me a load of
inspiration pages, which is for E com design.

(49:10):
And so I might see something here that I like the look of.
Let's say, OK, great, I like this.
So it has to do an animation, didn't it?
But let's say you find a page like you like the look of, you
can use that as inspiration for your own site.
So you don't even need a paid account.
Just copy paste. You need a paid account.
Well, what you can actually do is I can.
Go, I'm gonna let's see if this works on the save image.

(49:31):
So I'm going to go to my project.
Let's test this. I haven't done this type of
thing in a while, so it'd be funto see with you guys if it works
here. Let's just create a folder
called like you know, design reference and let's save it and
I'm going to say let's see if you can pick up the colors and
anything from here. So let's say so you can see now
since because I've added it to my local file cursor's connected

(49:53):
to your local just your computer, right.
So like Design reference has an image in there.
Now that image I just added. So I'm going to say I've added a
folder to the project called Design reference with an image
ref in it. I want you to take inspiration
from this UI and apply it to theproducts grid UI.

(50:22):
So we want to see if it can change this design based on this
inspiration to look, it will read the image now.
So find the image there. It's reading the design image,
reading image. So Claude Code can do that.
OK, If you look at the image visually, right?
And it can try and figure out what's in there.
Now we'll just now we'll look atthis page.
So This is why designing like this so-called is because

(50:43):
everything happens live. So you can go and find
inspiration. You can put it in a folder.
I just tell Claude Code what youwant and we'll see what it does
and what it comes out like. There you go.
So you just update the design for us.
So it took this inspiration herethat sent it, it picked out the
key components, so the the colours and everything.
And then, you know, still applying some design styles
here, but it's trying to copy asmuch of that as possible to get

(51:06):
it to match what we saw. So you can just like throw in
design inspiration as well, like, you know, I know, just
copy things. And so let's just let me just
stop it there for a minute. Just show you something like I
said, you know, change add to cart button to red and make
borders square. It's also changed the borders in
other areas as well based on Yeah, it just automatically just

(51:26):
tries to figure out how to matchthe styles.
Yeah, wanted square borders on the add to cart page.
I wanted the square borders on add to cart button.
So if it makes a mistake, you can also say to it, oh, I didn't
want you to do that, I want you to do this.
And it would just say, oh, sorry, we can undo changes or
whatever. See that it's just applied to
these pages, these buttons. But this is how I've designed

(51:47):
this entire like platform. So like, you know, everything
here has been designed. I'm just using this type of
like, you know, way of speaking to it and iterating.
Yeah, man, it's just, it's not. You could just take this now.
But our whole directory, it's sogood.
Like I just want to like. Cancel my I just like Susan.
Cancel my calls. I'm building.
I I don't I don't even know if Susan, but if I had an in person

(52:09):
assistant. Susan.
Yeah. Dude, you've over delivered.
This is really good. This is this is going to be a
banger. Thank you.
Where can people find you or whatever you're building?
Yeah, man, you can go to 5. Daysprint.com using #5 if you
want to do anything, the stuff Ijust showed you, like, you know,
you can get, just go to new project, just sign up there and

(52:31):
you can just, you know, generateyour own project and then get
that one liner and you're good to go.
And then school.com/five Daysprint, I'll give you the
links as well, but like those are the two areas that you can
jump in on and just connect withme.
We'll link to it for sure. I appreciate you man.
Thank you so much. Hey guys, if you're still
listening to this, it's probably.
Because you haven't had a chanceto take your Air pods out,

(52:52):
you're still mowing the lawn, you're still driving, what have
you. If you're still here with me, I
would really, really love and appreciate a five star review on
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It would mean a lot. If you want to go the extra
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