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Nestled among the rolling Judean hills sits Anava Vineyards, a place where passion, personal connection, and profound terroir converge to create something truly extraordinary. More than simply producing wine, Anava offers individuals and families the rare opportunity to craft wine from their own plots of land in Israel, guided by a world-class winemaking team.
Returning to our podcast, Nadav Jesselson shares how Anava has evolved through challenging times, including navigating the disruptions of war and military service while continuing to nurture both vines and community. In Part One of this episode, we explore the meticulous process of "designing" young vineyards – the careful training of vines that transforms mere plants into productive bearers of quality fruit. This labor of love demands patience, precision, and a profound understanding of agriculture.
The heart of our conversation reveals Anava's unique vision: creating lasting connections to the Land of Israel through wine. Each owner receives their own plot, separately planted and personally named, transforming anonymous rows into meaningful spaces with stories – "Fortress" from a Colorado family, "Yekev Merav" named for an owner's wife. These aren't just vineyard parcels; they're pieces of legacy that can be passed down through generations.
What makes this experience particularly meaningful for Jewish owners is the opportunity to fulfill agricultural commandments specific to the Land of Israel – Shmita (the sabbatical year), Orla (the prohibition on the first three years' produce), and Neta Revai (special rules relating to fourth-year produce). For those living abroad, this represents a rare connection to ancient traditions otherwise inaccessible.
Recognizing that not everyone can make the substantial commitment of full ownership, Anava is developing more accessible options, including the chance to participate for a single vintage cycle – allowing more people to experience this profound connection to land and tradition.
Ready to turn your dream of owning an Israeli vineyard into reality? Join us to discover how Anava Vineyards offers more than wine – it offers a piece of Israel you can call your own.
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S. Simon Jacob (00:09):
Welcome to The Kosher Terroir.
I'm Simon Jacob, your host forthis episode from Jerusalem.
Before we get started, I askthat, wherever you are, please
take a moment and pray for thesafety of our soldiers and the
safe return of all of ourhostages.
Over a year ago, I sat downwith Nadav Jesselson, the
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visionary behind Anava Vineyards, a place where passion,
personal connection and profoundterroir converge.
But Anava isn't your typicalvineyard.
It's a living canvas whereindividuals and families don't
just drink wine.
They craft it from their ownplots of land, guided by a
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world-class winemaking team.
Now Nadav is back and we delveinto what has changed in the
vines, in the cellar and in theway Anava empowers people to
turn a dream into a barrel.
In this episode, we dig deeper.
What does it take to steward acommunity of landowners into
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becoming producers of wines thatmatter, of wines that matter?
How does a vineyard navigatewar, shifting climates, evolving
expectations and the sacredintersection of heritage and
innovation?
If you're curious about owningan Israeli vineyard and what it
means to truly connect to theland and the grape, you won't
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want to miss this new episodewith Nadav Jesselson.
If you're in your car, pleasefocus on the road ahead.
If you're home relaxing.
Please pour a glass ofdelicious kosher wine, sit back,
relax and listen to thiswonderful conversation with
Nadav Jesselson.
So, nadav, welcome to TheKosher Terroir, welcome me to
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Anava.
We didn't meet for a long time,so I, The Kosher Terroir,
welcome me to Anava.
Nadav Jesselson (02:06):
We didn't meet for a long time, so I forgot
the name of the podcast.
How's it going?
S. Simon Jacob (02:10):
The Kosher Terroir.
You're still doing a lot.
Yeah, yeah, I've got over 100episodes.
Nadav Jesselson (02:14):
Amazing, Crazy crazy, crazy.
So I have to listen to themagain.
S. Simon Jacob (02:17):
Okay, it's okay, it's okay.
What was the most interestingthat you had lately?
Recommend me a.
I had a really good podcast notso long ago with Noa Maoz, who
is an agronomist Right, thename's familiar.
Yeah, she's the one whobasically saved the wine
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industry here in Israel From thevirus, from the viruses.
Nadav Jesselson (02:42):
So that's her specialty.
S. Simon Jacob (02:44):
She's a really sweetheart, Marom HaGolan.
Nadav Jesselson (02:49):
She was here.
Maybe once they come once ayear to do a seker they go to
the trees to look for viruses.
Last year they found one here,One tree with a virus, and I was
depressed.
I said, oh my God, you found me, guys.
And they looked at me theagronomist of Carmel.
And they looked at me, theagronomist of Carmel, and they
said are you kidding?
That's nothing.
That's nothing.
You have one out of the wholevineyard.
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That's nothing.
So actually we had to pull out.
S. Simon Jacob (03:13):
Yeah, there's no , I said you know.
So what does that mean?
When you find a virus, You'vegot to give it an inoc
antibiotics, whatever.
No, you can pull it out.
There's no chance.
There's no chance to doanything.
Nadav Jesselson (03:25):
They pull it out, and they used to pull one
out and one from each other sidealso.
This year we didn't do it, justgave more pesticides to the
trees that were near him.
S. Simon Jacob (03:42):
So it's the last time it's as beautiful,
beautiful.
I'm sitting here under this uh,what you call it?
Coppola, coppola, pergola,pergola.
Right, I'm sitting here underthis pergola, in in the middle
of a vineyard.
That's just gorgeous.
Nadav Jesselson (03:59):
You're planting even vineyards along
this little right, this was afew spares that we had and we
put them on the fence, but thewatering didn't work, so I think
only three of these are leftout of all of them.
Oh boy.
Ovadiah Jacob (04:11):
Yeah.
Nadav Jesselson (04:15):
You gotta give them attention.
If you don't, they won't work.
S. Simon Jacob (04:19):
So I planted, we planted a vineyard.
Nadav Jesselson (04:22):
The booms that we're hearing is from a
vineyard on the other side ofthe road.
They have like a cannon thatworks on gas.
It's connected and every fewminutes it gives a boom against
birds there they have eatinggrapes.
So it's crucial, because thebirds go down on their grapes
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and they'll eat their grapes andtheir grapes need to stay
static, you know.
S. Simon Jacob (04:50):
Right.
Nadav Jesselson (04:50):
It's not like when we make wine.
So that's one of the patents toget rid of the birds and the
animals Wow.
S. Simon Jacob (04:58):
Okay.
Nadav Jesselson (04:59):
The Davidka bird removal.
Exactly, exactly.
That should be the name.
S. Simon Jacob (05:22):
Hayal is crazy good.
This is really Wow Delicious.
This is the new ones where he'sgetting the grapes.
These are their grapes.
Yeah, I know the vineyard Veryspecial guy.
Nadav Jesselson (05:36):
His name is Zelig from Givatish Ayal
Beautiful vineyard.
He finished the army forpension already.
He was there for a long timeand he went to do a vineyard.
Very, very talented guy.
S. Simon Jacob (05:55):
Unbelievable.
So yeah, we're tasting theirnew liam from Agur and liam
levan.
Nadav Jesselson (06:05):
It's a 2024, and it's just amazing he has
Rosan there.
I didn't know.
S. Simon Jacob (06:09):
It's a.
What is it?
It's a Rosan.
Oh, I didn't even know that.
That's why it's so good, that'swhy it's so good.
Nadav Jesselson (06:18):
He used to take Rosan, I think, from
Retamin down south.
S. Simon Jacob (06:28):
Used to take Rosan, I think, from Retamin
down south, so this is theirs.
This is born and bred withtheir own vineyards, and they
changed the label now from AgurWinery to Agur Vineyard.
Amazing, yeah, so Baruch Hashem, very special, Okay.
That said, let's talk a littlebit about Anadá, because we're
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here and it's such a peaceful,incredibly beautiful setting.
Well over a year ago I don'texactly remember exactly when it
was, but I thought it wascloser to two years, but it
might be just a year and a halfor something how has Anava
evolved?
Is there a change in philosophy, in operation, in experience?
Nadav Jesselson (07:24):
So, first of all, you've got to take into
consideration that everythingthat's been going on has been
going on besides the war that'sgoing on.
What?
What do you mean?
Is it war?
You could sit here andliterally forget it.
Yes, but the effect on us isthe Miluim.
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How's it affected you?
In and out, in and out ofMiluim.
And I just came back.
A week ago we were called in forTzav Shmone.
Yeah, friday, you know, themorning of the attack in Iran,
everybody was called in.
We went.
Actually we were in a verypeaceful place.
(08:08):
I was in the Egyptian border.
Yeah, they were afraid of theEgyptians, the Egyptians, the
Georgians.
At the beginning.
They sent us to the Georgianborder, then they took us to the
Egyptian border A bit of abalagan.
That's how it is in Miluim andin war.
And it was very peaceful.
Thank God nothing happened andfor me it was even we were
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laughing, the guys there, thatwe are like, we're like, we are
in the, we are in the orif andthe families are in the chazit.
I don't know how you say thatMeaning.
We were in such a peacefulplace when the families were
running in and out of theMamadim.
We were in the desert, goingout for the sunrise, going back
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to the sunset.
It was very peaceful.
But still, the in and out ofMiloim is very difficult, very
difficult.
It takes me this time.
It took me almost a week tosettle in and to get things, you
know, in order.
And also I came back and it wascrazy because the main thing
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that we're doing here now iswe're designing the vineyards,
the younger vineyards that arein the third year of Vola now.
So I came back.
I was sure we were going to befinished, because I had a worker
here that was still working,somebody, some girl that's, uh,
actually here today also, and uhand I got to a situation where
there was a lot of work.
I had only three days in theweek, anyways, it was.
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It was crazy.
So, as far as uh, that that's.
That's the reka, the backgroundof the last year, of course and
so the vineyard is evolvingamazing.
Like I said, we finished lastweek designing the younger
vineyard and it looks very good.
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I'm very satisfied with theoutcome of the designing.
We designed mostly with thegirls from Rigavot, the high
school girls that are our mainworkers, and then they finished
their high school, so we gotworkers from the Shomer
HaChadash and we were luckybecause usually they are packed
with work and we got a few dayswith them.
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So they really did a good joband they finished everything.
Now we're basically fine-tuningthe designing.
We're going all over thevineyard again, checking each
one that is designed correctlydoesn't need any fixing.
Some we haven't designed yetone here, one there because they
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weren't big enough, because youhave to wait for them to be big
and way I imagine it.
This time it hit me there'swe've talked about this.
There's a lot, a few ways todesigning.
Right, you could.
The way we're designing iscalled VSP, which is one long
row, and then in that one longrow you could also do either
what we call the resh, which isyou take the vineyard and you
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take him to only to one side,and then the one next to him
goes also to his and thenthey're touching each other.
The way we're doing, it's it'sa t, it's a t goes up and we
split them into two and then theway I imagine, they're all
holding hands.
All the vines are.
Basically that's how I toldtheir guys, that's when I, when
I uh tell them how to do it.
So I want them all to beholding hands, all the vines,
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that's how it is at the end.
S. Simon Jacob (11:30):
So by designing it, you're talking about pruning
the vines back to the way youwant it to be to grow.
Nadav Jesselson (11:37):
So pruning is cutting, I think.
So there is cutting, this isjust taking the shoots and
bending them down.
And when you bend them downthey also change their name,
because at the beginning it's asarig, which is the branch.
When it's green it turns to bea zmora.
When it becomes brown, like abranch right, and if you bend
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them down to be basically themain branch for the next 60
years, so it turns to be a bud.
That's one of the specialthings I've talked about that
the vine has many differentwords in hebrew for each, each
part of this, so the but.
So when you do that, it turnsabout.
The bud is uh, which is themain wood, a beam.
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So that's what we did, and sothe pruning is going to be in
the winter.
But what's amazing is that wehave a small part where we
finished designing last year,and you see the difference
between one that you finisheddesigning and one that isn't
ready yet.
The ones that we finisheddesigning was the Sauvignon
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Blanc.
They had endless fruit thisyear and all the rest didn't
have anything.
They had a few here and there.
But you see the importance ofdesigning and why, for instance,
with Karma, when we did theolder vineyard here, they were
pressuring me to finishdesigning in the third year in
order for the fourth year to bealready full with fruit.
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In the second year they wantedto finish and that's why we had
here a lot of fruit on the thirdyear.
So we had here a Gdud I thinkit was 51, from Bach Golani and
they came to work.
They were amazing and they tookoff all the fruit from the
Sauvignon Blanc.
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Those are my favorite days whenI get these groups.
So that's as far as the youngervineyard.
The older vineyard we'repreparing for harvest.
It's looking good.
We're already in Bochal.
Bochal is when the fruitchanges its color.
Is there a word for that inEnglish?
S. Simon Jacob (13:44):
Yes, yeah, it's called Rizan where it goes from.
It's in English or in French.
It's probably French.
Yeah, it goes from From greento purple.
It goes from green to purple,yeah, but it's across the
different grapes.
Nadav Jesselson (13:56):
So it's not all purple.
S. Simon Jacob (13:58):
yet they're right in the middle Right.
Nadav Jesselson (13:59):
So in the Petit Syira we're already almost
90% purple and in the Kabarnetnot yet it didn't even start.
I think it's a little early,but actually this summer hasn't
been that hot yet.
We have had heat waves whichalso damaged the younger
vineyard a little, took us backa little as far as designing,
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but we overcame that, thank God,and so the summer isn't that
hot.
So I don't know why we'realready there, but we're there
anyways.
So I'm sure it's good.
Um, so that's the youngervineyard, the older vineyard and
, uh, as far as anava, you knowthe concept of anava.
Yeah, so we are evolving allthe time, as much as we can,
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again in and out of Miluim.
So it's it's hard to get, toget, you know and there's nobody
coming from abroad.
S. Simon Jacob (14:49):
Exactly it's like it's not like there's any
flights to be able to Now.
The flights are just startingto reopen, right.
Nadav Jesselson (14:55):
So and it's not going to take time still to
take time for me.
But so, besides the fact thatpeople aren't coming, we're,
it's tough, it's difficult forus.
Already, two years we're tryingto get our minds on this
product and to understand theproduct and to know how to give
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it to someone.
So we are doing a few changes.
We're opening now an optionbasically for someone to join
for just one cycle.
When you say a cycle, do youmean a Shemitah cycle?
Not a Shemitah cycle.
When I say a cycle, I mean theOnah.
Onah is a season cycle, avintage, a vintage exactly.
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To join for a vintage,basically being coming, enjoying
the vineyard, the events thatwe have here and all of the
experience that you enjoy hereand the harvesting and, you know
, being seeing where you'regoing to grow the grapes for
your wine.
But for one vintage V, but forone vintage.
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That's a new concept that weare working on now.
Hopefully very soon.
We're going to already try toadvertise and try to get people
interested.
S. Simon Jacob (16:24):
Tell me what was the base idea again.
Nadav Jesselson (16:27):
Correct, perfect.
The base idea was to the visionof Hanava is to share and
connect.
S. Simon Jacob (16:34):
That's reminding Share the opportunity to
connect to the land Exactly andto connect.
Nadav Jesselson (16:41):
We want to connect to people with the same
values and the same love for theland, for wine, for the land
for wine and through wine,basically, and to connect
between the people that willjoin.
Because I'll give you certainexamples that we just had lately
that I don't know if youremember, but it's going with
one of the things that you toldme that you tasted with the
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Akobo Goya you had when you weredoing the blends.
Told me that you tasted withthe akoboia you had.
Uh, we're doing the blends, sowe had something similar.
Now, um, um, uh.
So so our main concept wasthat's our vision.
And how do we do that?
By giving someone his ownvineyard.
We planted the vineyard in acertain way.
That's not conventional meaning.
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We planted half a dunamseparately so everybody could
feel where his plot is,literally.
You know, it's not even a rowin some vineyard.
One of these rows yeah, this isyours.
No, this is like.
You have a small garden, you'rea haklah, you're a vintner
yourself, and you're a vintneryourself because, even if you're
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not coming, we are yourshlichim.
So we have one of the plotshere called Fortress, which is a
parcel of Eran Gil that livesin Colorado and we're working
here.
As far as we want to thinkabout it, we're working as his
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shlichim and he is connecting tothe land and we're connecting
with him.
You're doing the heavy liftingit's heavy, but when you have
fun, yeah no.
Not heavy in a bad way.
S. Simon Jacob (18:22):
No, no, no in a good way.
What's happening is you'regiving people an opportunity to
own a vineyard where they canget as involved as they want,
right, right, but it's not ontheir heads to be involved.
Right In the situations wherethey can't be involved, you can
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handle the operational side ofit Exactly.
Nadav Jesselson (18:47):
So the way we're doing this is number one,
that we planted these parcelsseparately and you can feel it,
and we have beautiful signs.
That you give the name, so hegave fortress.
We have Vinyem Erav.
That you give the name, so hegave fortress.
We have Vinye Merav that isMenachem, he named it after his
wife.
And we have AP Partners, whichis a private equity from Tel
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Aviv which I worked with andthey also are very into wine,
very Zionist, so they hopped inright at the beginning.
So that's the first thing of thevineyard and the second thing
of the vineyard and the secondthing is basically a club.
This is a club of people withthese values and who want to
basically take the wine toanother level, I think, because
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you can do a barrel almost in alot of the wineries.
You can come and you'll paymoney and they'll make your own
barrel and you'll get also yourown labels and and everything.
But here it's the whole cycle,here it's uh, to connect from
the, from the roots, almost fromthe land.
Um, so the, the, that's ourhigh-end concept, or the, the
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original one, and we're addingto that First of all because we
want to add more people.
We have 30 parcels, 27 left andwe want more people.
And to also bring a price whereit's more accessible for more
people.
Ovadiah Jacob (20:12):
What's the base price before you get to the more
accessible?
Nadav Jesselson (20:14):
thing.
Buying into the club is seventythousand dollars and with that
you get your personal plot andaccess to the events, to the
vineyard, to being involved ineverything.
We have a few events throughoutthe year.
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We started with two events whenit was only the vineyard.
Next year we're already in thewinery.
We're starting making wine, sothere's gonna be two more events
, uh, maybe even four moreevents, um and uh.
So the 70 000 and then theyearly payment is uh 18, uh to
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taking care and to getting abarrel at the end.
The full cycle, of course of thevintage is in the vineyard and
then in the winery.
So we're making the wine.
Of course, eyal Drori he's ourwinemaker.
He's going to be leading.
We're going to bring in someoneto do the handwork together
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with us.
But Eyal is someone to do thehandwork together with us, but
the yacht is gonna be themastermind behind it.
A yacht is also very cautiousto what the people want to do,
so for that we're grateful thathe's with us, because he's
perfect for the job.
He's amazing and we also have avino.
I'm in bar who is theagronomist?
Ovadiah Jacob (21:39):
He's also leading with us.
Nadav Jesselson (21:42):
He was the agronomist of Castel for many
years and now he's went on hisown path and is with us.
He's here once a week.
So that's our first product,you could say say, and the
second one is for a cheaperprice, which we're working on
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the price right now, so I'm notgoing to give it to you yet, but
uh, that's for a vintage gum.
You don't have to, uh, go formany years now.
Come for just one to to getyour taste of wine from the
vineyard that you are connectedto.
So you get a barrel and yourown.
Yeah, again, I don't know whenthe vintage you're going to get.
(22:26):
I don't know exactly the amountyet, but you can get a nice
amount of bottles with yourlabel, About 300 bottles Right
that's a barrel, okay, yeah.
But we have to see if Exactly.
What makes sense A barrel or alittle less.
S. Simon Jacob (22:45):
So one of the things that I was thinking about
is I like the idea of creatinga legacy for your children.
That's super important to meand I can imagine it would be
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incredibly important to a lot ofpeople, and one of the things
that stops it in my mind frombeing a legacy is the 18,000 a
year.
So I'm wondering whether is the18,000 a year.
So I'm wondering whether,instead of presenting it as
18,000 a year, there's a way topresent it as a larger amount in
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perpetuity, forever.
That it just does.
What's the story with the18,000?
Can it go up?
Ovadiah Jacob (23:38):
and down?
S. Simon Jacob (23:38):
Can it go up in the future?
Nadav Jesselson (23:41):
Is it locked at that?
It's not locked because thingschange.
We just left an option for usto change the price with the top
.
We can't change it.
I think it was like 4%, maybenot more than 4%.
There's also the inflation andwe can't change it.
I think it was like 4%, maybenot more than 4%.
There's also the inflation allkinds of nuance in that issue,
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but what do you mean?
First of all, I'm very happythat you're saying this because
I want your feedback.
S. Simon Jacob (24:11):
No, no, no.
That's one of the reasons Icame Perfect, not only the
podcast, but I wanted to come todiscuss with you Perfect, what
I'm.
Nadav Jesselson (24:19):
What do you mean?
That the 18 is heavy?
It's not heavy.
S. Simon Jacob (24:23):
It's that, it's a commitment, it's like a
subscription.
Nadav Jesselson (24:26):
Right.
S. Simon Jacob (24:26):
Okay, yeah, so when I have a subscription, if,
for some reason, I'm not aroundto pay the subscription, it's
like lost.
Also, I don't know whether mykids are going to pay for a
subscription, or who in my kidsare going to pay a subscription
or not.
But if I have it fixed as I'vepaid what I needed to pay or
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I've set up an insurance policyin some way so that if anything
happens to me or my wife or whathave you, that this legacy is
going to be there forever forthem, okay, um, I think that
that's a um, I don't know ifthis answers the question, but
(25:09):
uh, but the 18 000 is it couldgo down if you don't want the
wine, if, if there's a year thatyou're saying I have too much
or somebody doesn't want, so itgoes down.
But I think that it's worthsetting up an approach that a
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person could really pass it onas a legacy to their children.
Where I've for it, it's therewith.
You can build in the fourpercent, you can build in the
four percent increase and youcould also build into it.
Nadav Jesselson (25:47):
But right now the.
That's how it is, so I'mmissing something here, because
it's it's it's 18.
There isn't there isn't an endyou're missing the date.
Ovadiah Jacob (25:56):
My father's's passion is wine, hence the
podcast.
But his history, his profession, has been in the insurance
industry, and they have aproduct in the insurance
industry called an annuity,where you put a lot of money in
up front and then it spreads itas payments over an extended
period of time.
Right, so that pays for theforward.
S. Simon Jacob (26:18):
Okay, so that's the, the, and that way, you can
say you're leaving a legacy foryour kids.
It's done.
You know that your kids aregoing to be able to come here,
your grandkids are going to beable to come here, your
great-grandkids are going to beable to come here.
If they choose not to, that'stheir business, but you've taken
care of that.
(26:39):
Okay, yeah, and instead of justgiving them money which is a
nice thing you're giving themsomething more.
You're giving them, uh, you'regiving yeah, in israel, in a
vineyard.
you know like Amazing.
Nadav Jesselson (26:59):
I just think.
I think that's totally possible.
S. Simon Jacob (27:04):
Again, we are very flexible as far as I know,
you're looking for ways toattract people.
Nadav Jesselson (27:11):
Yeah, to do this, so yeah, up front or later
on for us it's it could be done.
Yeah, okay, don't worry this isthe last one, Any if you have
thoughts about it.
S. Simon Jacob (27:29):
We'll talk about it.
We'll put it together.
We'll talk about it, I justbecause I think there's some
people who are looking to leavea legacy.
The problem that you have is,when you tell them about a
subscription, they think yeah,well, who's going to?
Be there to pay it, yeah, andif I don't pay it, then it's
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gone.
What does that do?
And what happens if the pricesgo up significantly, or what
have you?
What does this really buy me?
Nadav Jesselson (28:02):
So we thought that the problem really is.
You know, it's very interestingthat you're saying that,
because one of the things thatmaybe that's I didn't approach
correctly, because when peoplesaid about the subscription, so
I felt like they had a problemwith the fact that it's going on
forever, because, because,because that was our part, our
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thoughts, to do a legacy, yeah,I think you're going to pass
this on.
That's the whole thing.
So we didn't put an end date tothe, to the contract, so and
then, but then people, peoplecan't hold in their minds, I
feel, feel, how do I deal withit.
No, how do I deal with it?
I say infinity.
People can't hold infinityRight in their minds.
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So we said, okay, maybe we'lldo it for just a few years, but
that defeats the whole.
S. Simon Jacob (28:51):
Not a few years meaning like 10, 20 years, 20
years, but that still defeatsthe purpose, because if I'm
trying to build my kids, alegacy it's not like a legacy
anymore.
Nadav Jesselson (29:05):
It's like, uh, it's like a.
So.
So what you're saying is uh isfor us, it's, uh, it's.
I know that's, that's the thing.
Let's uh.
We have to think.
I never thought about actually,we thought about it, but, um,
it's, it's.
It means pay a lot, a lot ofmoney at the beginning.
No, it doesn't.
Ovadiah Jacob (29:22):
You could do it with insurance too, if you are
not the one who has to worryabout that.
If you partner with aninsurance company that's going
to provide you with that product, then all you have to do is
decide up front what the amountis that you need to contract
with them for, and then they cangive you what is the
contractual lump sum you need,and then they can give you the
stream of payments that you needover the you know, in
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perpetuity, the insurancecompany will be the one paying
for it.
Yeah, so you're just part of it.
You don't have to figure thatout.
S. Simon Jacob (29:50):
If not the insurance company, it's your
annuity, it's your family'sannuity or your trust's annuity.
Nadav Jesselson (30:02):
You would put the vineyard in trust.
Amazing.
Ovadiah Jacob (30:06):
I'm surprised they're not doing that now talk
to me about the Qum mitzvot thatcomes with you know
participation so we talk aboutthe legacy, the land.
S. Simon Jacob (30:15):
We talk about the money.
Now let's talk about Tachlis.
What are the mitzvot you canget from doing this?
All of the mitzvot at Leot.
Nadav Jesselson (30:22):
Baritz Literally Go ahead, go ahead.
Tell me no, give me a test now.
No no, no, no it's problematicbecause I I'm not knowledgeable
enough, or as much as I wouldwant to be, as far as the
mitzvot at Leot Ba'al.
But first of all, of course,you have Shemitah, which is
maybe, I think, the highlight ofmitzvot at Leot Ba'al, the suit
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by which the Jewish peoplemerit the land of Israel, and
basically we give the option todo whatever you want in your
parcel for the Shemitah.
So you could say this year I'mnot doing anything and then
we'll prepare for that.
We'll do probably pruning muchearlier and one year we'll do.
And if you want Otzar Bedin orTer Mechira, whatever you want,
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then we have the Orla, whichwe're gonna be next year already
after, and then we have, ofcourse, the Neta Revai.
Next year we're gonna be inNeta Revai.
We had Neta Rivai here lastyear and it was.
That was amazing.
Who knows, maybe next yearalready Neta Rivai is going to
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be literally taken toYerushalayim and eating it there
.
You have a party.
So we have Neta Rivai.
Urla Shemitah.
There's also the actually thatI did learn lately.
So we have neta revay, urlashmita.
There's also the actually thatI did learn lately olelot.
How does it go, peret?
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When you harvest, you have toleave the little clusters on the
vine.
You're not allowed to take themoff.
You're leaving them for theaniim.
I forgot.
So, peret, ve'olilot, somethinglike that, right?
So I think that I learned aboutit, that it means that there's
no, and katif, meaning thecluster usually is like a
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triangle, right?
So if there's no katif, noshoulders, you have to leave it
or something like that.
But that's only when an'imliterally come to take it.
If they don't, you takeeverything off.
Ovadiah Jacob (32:28):
You don't have to leave and you don't even have
to give some pidyon for it.
What about pe'ah for thecorners of the field?
Nadav Jesselson (32:36):
So I think that pe'ah isah is correct me,
if I'm wrong is for wheat, notfor the vineyards, but I have to
look into it more.
Some people, actually we'retrying to work now with an
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amazing guy by the name of Ari.
He's a wine.
You know the site, maybeKiddush.
They sell wine.
It's his site.
Anyways, he does marketing andnot sales, mostly marketing.
He's a very brilliant guy.
So we met him and what was nice?
That he said I've seen yoursite already.
And I said when?
And he said a very long timeago, we had the same idea him
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and two of his friends, somebodyhad an achala not far from here
and they were going to do hesaid we weren't going to do
another winery.
So we said, well, let's dosomething special.
And they went towards the factof Mitzvot, hapiot Baritz, to
selling mitzvot.
I don't know why, but I feltthat.
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So that definitely you'regetting that, definitely you're
part of that.
But that wasn't going to be.
You know, come do mitzvahs andgive me money and do mitzvahs.
That wasn't kind of me.
When I started, somebody cameto me it was right, we planted
right before Shemitah.
And then somebody came to me,somebody that I met through a
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period where I worked withTurgim and he came and he wanted
to buy the olive grove in orderto sell it to people so they
could do Shemitah.
I don't know why I feltuncomfortable with that, because
they were're a combination ofdoing mitzvot.
S. Simon Jacob (34:29):
So I wanted to do that with.
I wanted to do that with fieldswhere you know to tell a farmer
you have to keep Shemitah andyou don't have any support for
that I always thought that thatwas crazy in order to give the
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farmer support for keepingShemitah, so fund him some money
.
Nadav Jesselson (34:58):
So there's a Keran Hashmitah.
You've heard of it.
Yes, so my friend across thestreet, he worked with him a lot
.
He went to the states a lot.
You've heard of it.
Yes, so my friend across thestreet, he worked with him a lot
.
He went to the States a lotalso to raise money for it.
I think he did Otzar Betim.
Okay, but still, when you doOtzar Betim you could put a big
sign.
Kan Shomrim Shemitah?
You know that.
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You've seen those signs?
S. Simon Jacob (35:19):
Oh, I didn't know you can do that.
Nadav Jesselson (35:21):
Yeah, if you're doing a Tzahar Beitin,
you can put up a sign.
That's what he did.
This is already a deal.
What's Shemitah and what's not?
Maybe it's also I'm going alittle bit to politics, but as
far as I'm concerned, we did aTer Mechira.
We didn't have fruit, but wedid a Ter Mechira and Anishomer
Shemitah, meaning, if I believethat this is, this is halacha.
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So people ask me do you keepShemitah?
Yes, I make more money and Ikeep Shemitah.
Otherwise I don't make moremoney, so I don't keep it, but
of course, I keep Shemitah.
I think that Shemitah is one ofthe most amazing concepts in
the Israeli Jewish agriculture.
S. Simon Jacob (36:06):
It's also to be honest.
People think that they knowShemitah.
They know what they're talkingabout with Shemitah.
99% of the people don't know.
Even the Rebbeim don't know.
I remember I used to.
I used to not touch anythingwith Shemitah.
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I wouldn't touch any wine thathad had to Mechira or Otzer
B'din or anything.
I wouldn't touch it.
It's Shemitah, I don't wantanything to do with it, what
have you?
But that was a mentality that Iderived from living in Galut,
Living in Israel.
If somebody's keeping Shemitahlike Otzer B'din or what have
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you, it's a mitzvah to drinkthis wine, it's a huge deal to
drink it and it's not.
I mean, this isn't something Ican take the bottle and take it
to America and what have you.
You really shouldn't do that.
I don't know whether peoplehave culotte to do that or not,
but I I wouldn't do that.
But but then I'd also at thesame time make sure I drank
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every drop of it, my father usedto finish the bottle yeah, pour
water into it and drink thewater and drink it again.
That's what I, what I do.
I do that, but that's actually.
That's a situation.
It's not just a chumrah that'swearing a belt.
That's for the fun of it.
That's wearing a belt andsuspenders.
Nadav Jesselson (37:33):
That's not even a chumrah that's for the
fun of it.
There's nothing in there.
That's a belt.
Ovadiah Jacob (37:37):
I agree, I agree.
S. Simon Jacob (37:46):
So, as I said, that's like wearing a belt and
suspenders, it's like extra, butI think that that's an
incredible thing to be able togive people an ability to
practice halachot that theydon't have access to.
Nadav Jesselson (38:02):
First of all, it's on my to-do list and
hopefully soon that I want tolearn the issues you know really
deep.
At the end of the day, thefirst year I kept here, shemitah
, was an unbelievable experience.
Again, we did a ter mechira.
But even if you're doing a termechira, you can't prune by
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yourself.
You have to bring non-Jews todo it.
So we were in the last year ofdesigning, or the first year of
designing, and even though wehad a whole diyun with the
kashrut of Carmel, and with whodid we talk to?
We talked to a few people fromRabbanim that know the thing,
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and we, we, what the dune was,is this considered zmira?
Because zmira is, is is thehardest.
You know the akhi su, and hesaid no, that well.
So we did it only with uh, withuh palestinians who worked here,
and I was walking in thevineyard with my clipper.
(39:08):
It was in the pocket for thewhole year.
You couldn't take it out.
Even when you see somethingthat you have to cut, you
couldn't take it out.
It's like Shabbos.
This is Yosef.
You remember Yosef?
Shalom, abraha, how are you,simon, jacob, simon, let's maybe
, maybe, move you out of the sun.
Ovadiah Jacob (39:22):
I'm okay, that's how it moves A little bit to the
left.
I'm good You're going to be inthe sun more and more I like sun
.
Nadav Jesselson (39:28):
Okay, perfect, baruch Hashem.
Baruch Hashem Yosef is beforewe were talking about Miluim, so
he came back Thursday, goingback today, tomorrow, tomorrow
he's in Syria Working hard inSyria At.
S. Simon Jacob (39:45):
Tomorrow he's in Syria Working hard in Syria.
At least it's not cold.
At least it's not cold now.
Huh, At night it's cold, cold,really.
Nadav Jesselson (39:53):
That's the Golan.
The Golan has unbelievable.
The Golan is, you know, I envythe Golan for their grapes.
Anything they grow there isunbelievable.
Between the shifts he's goingall over the vineyards there.
You know, learning, looking,because the Golan was the first
place where they made a qualitywine.
You know, a gift from God.
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It's amazing.
And he came here.
He came here to live in thecaravan and it was perfect
because it was when we plantedthe vineyard, the younger
vineyard, and I really wantedsomebody to be here all the time
.
You know, if there's a problemwith the watering or something
like that, because we had in thefirst experience, in the first
planting, we had issues.
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So the fact that somebody washere all the time kept us calm
and it was a win-win.
Because they were looking for aplace to put their caravan and
we needed someone and it was amuch not fun.
And since the war started and hehad a different job and since
the war started, he was inmedellin for a few months.
I was in medellin for a fewmonths and when we met after a
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few months he said I was lookingagain, I was looking for a
worker and he was looking forsomething more stable because,
because he was independent andhe was working in pruning trees,
he was looking for something,you know, a job with a paycheck.
So again, we had a littlechashot because we were like
(41:20):
family, so what, you're going towork for me or whatever.
Got over that and for the lasttwo years it's been amazing,
almost, uh, and he cares for thevineyard.
That's, at the end, that's whatwe want people who work with me
.
I need their home yeah, who areowners?
Ovadiah Jacob (41:37):
they want to be owners, so so for the 27 unsold
plots at this point in time,have you started the process at
all, or is it or meaning they'realready partway through the
Orla process or it's stillundeveloped?
They?
Nadav Jesselson (41:51):
are in the third year of Orla.
Next year we're harvesting Handharvest and we're going to make
wine at the winery together, inthe winery in Safririm, with
Hiday Hiday.
That's his wine.
Here I'll just read the backfor you, because you're going to
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like this, I think, becauseit's also your Rebbe, I think,
in wine.
If I remember correctly, in thefirst year we gave our offering
in the field next to the garden,of the seed, of the seed, the
seed that is in the depth of thefield.
In the years that followed theyadded to it also a part of
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olives, shalom, and in everywork I did I tasted the taste of
the tree as if it were realfruit.
I drank this wine and drank itfrom the fruits of the tree and
from my heart, and also from theheart of my friend, my teacher
and rabbi, the Yinan YaakovUriah.
Every day I go to the field,from it to it.
It is a local wine that I choseand inside it is the Nitzav
HaSulam.
Remember, this is a local wine.
It's like there's Aleph.
He calls the Ayn Mekomi Becausethere's Aleph Darad Gordon.
(43:10):
You know the name.
He was the.
They call him the Rav of theChalutzim.
You know the days were we'retalking about before the
establishment of the state Right?
So there was Aleph Darad Gordon.
He was in the days of Rav Kookand he was not religious.
So it was Aleph Dalet Gordon.
He was in Days of Arav Kook andhe was not religious.
But what he wrote and thethings he did, he was, you know,
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he was their Moray Aruchani andhe has a thing that he said
Ve'od nizkarti this is AlephDalet Gordon, ve'od nizkarti.
Ve'ineh sulam mutzav arzave'rosho megia ha'shameima U'ma
anu.
So I love this because we havethe parushim in Yaakov right,
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that he is the ladder Right, andthey say about Yaakov that he
is his head.
Yes, we are the ladder.
We have Shammai and Eretzinside of us.
So he says what are we lookingfor if not a place to put our
ladder?
I love that.
So he calls it Mikomi.
He's building a winery behindhis house.
Our connection is that when Iplanted the Dan Bat amazing guy
(44:22):
who was my consultant, he was myfor the vineyard and he said
listen, you have to meet Idaibecause he's also planting.
Go see what he's doing andlearn from him.
And we clicked immediately andsince then we're a chavuta
learning Gemara together.
He's not religious.
Which makes it for me even moreinteresting.
He's very knowledgeable, he'svery into Hasidut again, but
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he's super not religious.
So I'm saying he's notreligious, Shomer Mitzvot, but
he talks about Ani Malen,Yitzotzot, Mea Arez when he goes
into the vineyard.
It's something really specialand interesting.
You know what?
S. Simon Jacob (45:06):
Somebody needs to talk to him.
I'll tell you why Because it'snot about connecting to the
Rabbanut, it's about connectingto the Kadesh Baruch Hu.
That's all.
That's the whole discussion.
I mean, you can have all sortsof disagreements with rabbis or
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Rebbeim or the Rabbanut as awhole, but the thing that you
can't, you know, like when aperson says he's Hiloni, you
know, unfortunately, theblockage is the Rabbanut and
they've got to realize that thatdoesn't make a difference, it
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doesn't mean anything.
You can't be Hiloni fromKaddish Baruch Hu.
That's what you need to beconnected to and that's it.
And that's what it sounds like.
It sounds like he's connectedto Kaddish Baruch Hu, but he
doesn't want to deal with hisgroups, the middlemen who are on
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the ground.
Wow.
Nadav Jesselson (46:16):
I've heard somebody say once the problem
isn't the Yahadut, the problemis the Yehudim.
S. Simon Jacob (46:23):
Please God, it won't be.
Please God, it won't be.
Please God, it won't be.
Nadav Jesselson (46:26):
I don't totally agree.
I don't totally disagree withthat saying and I totally agree
with you I think there's also, Idon't know what to tell you.
I envy him the way he talksabout his vineyard, because
that's like something I want toachieve, walking here and being
in such.
That's the whole thing fromunderstanding.
Like something I want toachieve, walking here and being
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in such irat shamayim and ahavatHashem.
S. Simon Jacob (46:48):
That's a that's the whole thing.
Nadav Jesselson (46:49):
From understanding, I think he
experiences what you know, whatwe're talking about the land and
the kudusha the land.
S. Simon Jacob (46:56):
That's what I want.
To make sure he understandsthat, that that I get that he
does.
Nadav Jesselson (47:02):
He says I'll just I.
I get that.
He does.
He says I'll just so.
If you talk to him, he doesn'tbelieve in God.
That's like it's not only theRabbanut which he definitely has
issues with, but he says God isin your heart, or stuff like
that.
You know.
S. Simon Jacob (47:20):
There is no God.
Okay, so Albert Einstein wasthe same.
I just finished a biography byhim.
It's such a pity.
He's such a spiritual person.
He was such an incrediblyspiritual person.
He believed that there was acreator, but he didn't believe
that anybody could have a directconnection with the creator.
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That's like the philosoph thatthe creator does not come.
He read a lot of philosophy.
He was German and what have you.
He read all of the rubbish sohe believed that God would be
there.
God is there, but he doesn'tcare about me.
Why would he care about me?
I'm a little pizzola and thetruth is that's so sad.
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Because you're a ladder,because you grasp the universe.
Nadav Jesselson (48:09):
This is like you're.
S. Simon Jacob (48:10):
Avraham Avinu.
You see that this is all notrandom.
I mean, he said his whole life,God does not throw dice.
He realized that it's notrandom, that everything is there
because of God, that God has aplan, but that he wasn't part of
the plan, that he wasn't he,that he he wasn't, he didn't
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have a kesher into it except aslike one of the pieces of that.
We're moving and it's like sosad.
It's like not knowing yourfather, knowing that your father
there, but not ever knowingthat you could talk to him.
So it's sad, it's a sadsituation.
But you know Baruch Hashemthere's a lot of people and if
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you look at what's his nameAcher he, I think, very strongly
believes in God.
But he believed in God from aperspective of what we need to
do is God is so real that theonly way to get him to pay any
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attention to me is for me tozets him.
You know there's children wholike that.
There are children who you havewho are the perfect children.
They take care, they doeverything that you would want
them to do.
There's other children who arethe worst.
They're the most difficult.
Nadav Jesselson (49:36):
And they connect through the pinching.
S. Simon Jacob (49:38):
Yeah, they want to know that you're remembering
them.
They want to know that you'rethere.
Nadav Jesselson (49:44):
Wow, I never heard that about Achiel.
S. Simon Jacob (49:46):
It's definitely, it's, definitely.
This is exactly what he did,and when he saw other people
breaking the rules, he said no,no, you can't do this, it's
wrong.
Nadav Jesselson (49:55):
When he was walking with a male.
S. Simon Jacob (49:57):
Yeah, with a horse.
Nadav Jesselson (49:58):
And he told him to stop.
S. Simon Jacob (49:59):
You're going out of the out of the out of home.
You know you?
That's ridiculous.
If you don't believe in god,why would you say that to a
person?
So I I really believe it's likehe felt that he wanted god so
much that he was trying to stickhim in order to get him to deal
with him directly you know, wedo that, we all do that, we all
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do things from different places.
Okay, tell me a little bit aboutwhat sort of simchat have you
had here, what sort of specialoccasions I participated in?
A dinner Right, that was likeone of the most incredible.
Nadav Jesselson (50:42):
We're having another one this year, wow, and
I hope you come.
I would love to Perfect, areyou kidding?
And this time we're having itone this year, one of the most
incredible.
We're having another one thisyear, wow, and I hope you come.
I would love to Perfect, areyou kidding?
And this time we're having itwith Hiday.
Like I said, hiday is a specialguy.
He's a chef.
We have to try it.
You have to open it.
You can't Perfect.
Okay, hiday, he has a thingthere.
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He's a vegan, exactly.
It's a coffee shop with thewhole concept of from farm to
table.
His brother is running the farmin the Aravah and almost
everything that they're servingthere is from the farm, or they
know exactly where from.
They're not buying from amiddleman, they're buying
directly from the Chaklein.
So he is going to prepare us ameal.
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He's going to prepare us aspecial meal here.
Hopefully, we're going to havesome talks.
It's going to be different fromlast year.
We're doing something a littledifferent, not with a whole
sitting and everything.
No, we're going to have a table.
S. Simon Jacob (51:44):
Yeah, but it doesn't have to be so fancy,
exactly so, exactly, exactly.
A little less formal, okay, butthat was over the top, so
incredibly beautiful.
Yeah, that's what we want to dothere's so many people I wish
had experienced that.
It was like my wife is.
Is is not a formal person.
(52:05):
She doesn't like makeup.
She doesn't like all of thisshtick.
She's very.
I would take her out to a fancyrestaurant.
She would laugh at me.
She likes a picnic.
She doesn't like anything fancy.
You're lucky, you know.
It took me years before Irealized how lucky I was.
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It really took me years.
So all of a sudden, when wecame to this dinner, she said
this is the best.
Nadav Jesselson (52:35):
This is the best we've ever experienced.
It makes me so happy thatyou're saying that, because I
think that that is what we'retrying to do, that it's high
class.
But Eretz Israel, you know fromthe ground, 100%.
You know nothing.
(52:56):
That's just shiny, with notoken, with no substance, yeah,
substance.
S. Simon Jacob (53:04):
That was an incredible experience,
absolutely incredible experience.
The people, I think everybodywho was there was blown away.
There wasn't anybody who cameyeah, it was really.
It was really fun, it wasreally didn't feel like, wow,
what an incredible curatedexperience to have.
So so has anybody done barmitzvot or bat mitzvot?
(53:29):
We had here weddings.
Okay, how did they do that?
Where did they have them?
Nadav Jesselson (53:34):
Right here In the olive grove we have the
dancing was over there.
Here you have tables.
The way the events I call themthe private events, not the uh
on a vibe events the way theevents evolved here is that we
had our daughters, but mitzvahagain, the whole concept sharing
(53:55):
and connecting.
So, whatever we're experiencing, I want to share this amazing
experience.
So we had our daughters bymitzvah, actually in the middle
of the vineyard, um, becausethen also the younger vineyard
wasn't there yet, so we couldpark everybody over there.
And then, uh, my daughter mether friend who said that her
sister just, uh, um, thevineyard where she was supposed
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to get married in canceled onthem, so they were looking.
So she offered her, my daughteroffered her sister, daughter,
offer no the old one said wejust had our event.
Maybe you want to do talk to myfather, and that's it.
And he came here.
Amazing people, our neighborsactually.
They are from uh aderet and nowthey moved to nechusha where we
live, yeah, and they had theirwedding here and it it's amazing
(54:45):
.
I think that weddings are thebest and just to give an example
of what I mean, that when I hadhere one of the weddings we had
here last year so a friend ofmine, it was a friend of my
brother actually and anotherfriend told me, he looked at me
and he said this is the best.
How do you say fertilizer?
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Yeah, yeah, this is the bestfertilizer.
You is the best fertilizer forthe land, and that's how I feel.
So we can't do too much becauseat the end you're not allowed.
No, you can get.
You can't gethurim for it.
You can get authorization to doan event, but if you do a lot
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of events, it becomes a gardenright, an event.
Ulam er-ruim, yeah, ulamer-ruim.
And that's not.
First, that's not what I wantto do.
Second, of all, it could get usnot in trouble, but it could do
problems.
You don't want that.
So what happened is the sisterof the guy who built this
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amazing pergola got married hereand later, after she got
married, I understood that sheis a very known wedding
organizer and we connected andwe felt that we could trust and,
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at the end of the day, anybodywho comes today, she's our
wedding organizer.
So we don't take any money atall for the place.
In different places they take alot for you to do an event, but
because I don't want that to bethe issue and I want to do it,
you know from the heart.
So what we did is at thebeginning we used to meet the
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couple and then we used to meettheir wedding organizer and we
have to see, and then we have totell them you have to be
careful here and careful there.
And we had a wedding whichwasn't bad, but it was hard with
the wedding organizer.
We didn't feel that she waswith us, you know, and taking
care all in.
So with Batia, that's the girl,that's the wedding organizer.
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She cares for the vineyard asif she's one of Anava's
employees.
So anybody who calls us todayeven though it's hard for me to
tell them, no, you have to gothrough Patia, but a few calls
and now that's what I'm doingall the time.
Even a friend of a brother, ofa friend of my brother, which I
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love, came here last week,thursday, with his fiance the
cutest, amazing, amazing.
That's all again, I love it.
I love to meet these couples.
He's from the Gush, she's fromWeizmann, from Rehovot.
Really the worlds are connectedreally.
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And he had a wedding organizedalready and even though I know
him and I love him andeverything, I told him listen,
you got to go through Batia andI hope it works, and if it
doesn't again, I can never tellpeople no.
Also, so she does it for me andshe's very good because she
knows when, when it's not.
You know, if someone just wantsto have a crazy party here,
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that's not not here.
Don't come in, yeah, don't cometo my.
I'm inviting you into my house,yeah, which is a zchut for me.
You know to call this house andum, so she takes care of it.
So we, we have mainly weddings.
There was going to be a barmitzvah, but then the war with
Iran burst out Somebody actuallyfrom.
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That's interesting.
That's not through Bat Yad,it's through a friend of ours
from Yerushalayim.
She's a very high classorganizer and she was going to
be A family wanted to dosomething with Miluim Nikim and
something you know a bar mitzvahwith uh uh.
So I brought a friend of minewho is doing endless miluim much
more than me and he has his owncompany.
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He builds uh greenhouses formainly for uh schools and and
stuff like that um, and he givesthem also uh education there
and everything to then they havethe schools, have a greenhouse
where they plant stuff and gothrough uh educational process.
So they were going to build onehere.
I was going to bring him andthen they were going to benefit
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for the miluimnik and dosomething and have their event
here.
Uh, that at the end again thewar came, and then they stayed
in Miami to do their barmitzvah, as far as I know.
So I think we have to celebratethis land as much as we can,
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mainly weddings meanwhile, butwhat we're doing now is also,
until we have anava members,when we'll have Anava members,
we're going to stop everythingthat's going to be from outside,
because it's going to be onlyfor the Anava members.
When we'll have Anava members,we're going to stop everything
that's going to be from outside,because it's going to be only
for the Anava members, but untilthen we'll see.
Thank you so much thank you somuch.
S. Simon Jacob (59:58):
Wow, I tried to surprise you.
You surprised me.
Please tune in again next weekfor part two of our episode with
Nadav Jesselson and the AnavaVineyard.
This is Simon Jacob, again yourhost of today's episode of The
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I'm Simon Jacob, your host forthis episode from Jerusalem.
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safe return of all of ourhostages.
Over a year ago, I sat downwith Nadav Jesselson, the
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visionary behind Anava Vineyards, a place where passion,
personal connection and profoundterroir converge.
But Anava isn't your typicalvineyard.
It's a living canvas whereindividuals and families don't
just drink wine.
They craft it from their ownplots of land, guided by a
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world-class winemaking team.
Now Nadav is back and we delveinto what has changed in the
vines, in the cellar and in theway Anava empowers people to
turn a dream into a barrel.
In this episode, we dig deeper.
What does it take to steward acommunity of landowners into
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becoming producers of wines thatmatter, of wines that matter?
How does a vineyard navigatewar, shifting climates, evolving
expectations and the sacredintersection of heritage and
innovation?
If you're curious about owningan Israeli vineyard and what it
means to truly connect to theland and the grape, you won't
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want to miss this new episodewith Nadav Jesselson.
If you're in your car, pleasefocus on the road ahead.
If you're home relaxing.
Please pour a glass ofdelicious kosher wine, sit back,
relax and listen to thiswonderful conversation with
Nadav Jesselson.
So, nadav, welcome to TheKosher Terroir, welcome me to
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Anava.
We didn't meet for a long time,so I, The Kosher Terroir,
welcome me to Anava.
Nadav Jesselson (02:06):
We didn't meet for a long time, so I forgot
the name of the podcast.
How's it going?
S. Simon Jacob (02:10):
The Kosher Terroir.
You're still doing a lot.
Yeah, yeah, I've got over 100episodes.
Nadav Jesselson (02:14):
Amazing, Crazy crazy, crazy.
So I have to listen to themagain.
S. Simon Jacob (02:17):
Okay, it's okay, it's okay.
What was the most interestingthat you had lately?
Recommend me a.
I had a really good podcast notso long ago with Noa Maoz, who
is an agronomist Right, thename's familiar.
Yeah, she's the one whobasically saved the wine
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industry here in Israel From thevirus, from the viruses.
Nadav Jesselson (02:42):
So that's her specialty.
S. Simon Jacob (02:44):
She's a really sweetheart, Marom HaGolan.
Nadav Jesselson (02:49):
She was here.
Maybe once they come once ayear to do a seker they go to
the trees to look for viruses.
Last year they found one here,One tree with a virus, and I was
depressed.
I said, oh my God, you found me, guys.
And they looked at me theagronomist of Carmel.
And they looked at me, theagronomist of Carmel, and they
said are you kidding?
That's nothing.
That's nothing.
You have one out of the wholevineyard.
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That's nothing.
So actually we had to pull out.
S. Simon Jacob (03:13):
Yeah, there's no , I said you know.
So what does that mean?
When you find a virus, You'vegot to give it an inoc
antibiotics, whatever.
No, you can pull it out.
There's no chance.
There's no chance to doanything.
Nadav Jesselson (03:25):
They pull it out, and they used to pull one
out and one from each other sidealso.
This year we didn't do it, justgave more pesticides to the
trees that were near him.
S. Simon Jacob (03:42):
So it's the last time it's as beautiful,
beautiful.
I'm sitting here under this uh,what you call it?
Coppola, coppola, pergola,pergola.
Right, I'm sitting here underthis pergola, in in the middle
of a vineyard.
That's just gorgeous.
Nadav Jesselson (03:59):
You're planting even vineyards along
this little right, this was afew spares that we had and we
put them on the fence, but thewatering didn't work, so I think
only three of these are leftout of all of them.
Oh boy.
Ovadiah Jacob (04:11):
Yeah.
Nadav Jesselson (04:15):
You gotta give them attention.
If you don't, they won't work.
S. Simon Jacob (04:19):
So I planted, we planted a vineyard.
Nadav Jesselson (04:22):
The booms that we're hearing is from a
vineyard on the other side ofthe road.
They have like a cannon thatworks on gas.
It's connected and every fewminutes it gives a boom against
birds there they have eatinggrapes.
So it's crucial, because thebirds go down on their grapes
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and they'll eat their grapes andtheir grapes need to stay
static, you know.
S. Simon Jacob (04:50):
Right.
Nadav Jesselson (04:50):
It's not like when we make wine.
So that's one of the patents toget rid of the birds and the
animals Wow.
S. Simon Jacob (04:58):
Okay.
Nadav Jesselson (04:59):
The Davidka bird removal.
Exactly, exactly.
That should be the name.
S. Simon Jacob (05:22):
Hayal is crazy good.
This is really Wow Delicious.
This is the new ones where he'sgetting the grapes.
These are their grapes.
Yeah, I know the vineyard Veryspecial guy.
Nadav Jesselson (05:36):
His name is Zelig from Givatish Ayal
Beautiful vineyard.
He finished the army forpension already.
He was there for a long timeand he went to do a vineyard.
Very, very talented guy.
S. Simon Jacob (05:55):
Unbelievable.
So yeah, we're tasting theirnew liam from Agur and liam
levan.
Nadav Jesselson (06:05):
It's a 2024, and it's just amazing he has
Rosan there.
I didn't know.
S. Simon Jacob (06:09):
It's a.
What is it?
It's a Rosan.
Oh, I didn't even know that.
That's why it's so good, that'swhy it's so good.
Nadav Jesselson (06:18):
He used to take Rosan, I think, from
Retamin down south.
S. Simon Jacob (06:28):
Used to take Rosan, I think, from Retamin
down south, so this is theirs.
This is born and bred withtheir own vineyards, and they
changed the label now from AgurWinery to Agur Vineyard.
Amazing, yeah, so Baruch Hashem, very special, Okay.
That said, let's talk a littlebit about Anadá, because we're
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here and it's such a peaceful,incredibly beautiful setting.
Well over a year ago I don'texactly remember exactly when it
was, but I thought it wascloser to two years, but it
might be just a year and a halfor something how has Anava
evolved?
Is there a change in philosophy, in operation, in experience?
Nadav Jesselson (07:24):
So, first of all, you've got to take into
consideration that everythingthat's been going on has been
going on besides the war that'sgoing on.
What?
What do you mean?
Is it war?
You could sit here andliterally forget it.
Yes, but the effect on us isthe Miluim.
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How's it affected you?
In and out, in and out ofMiluim.
And I just came back.
A week ago we were called in forTzav Shmone.
Yeah, friday, you know, themorning of the attack in Iran,
everybody was called in.
We went.
Actually we were in a verypeaceful place.
(08:08):
I was in the Egyptian border.
Yeah, they were afraid of theEgyptians, the Egyptians, the
Georgians.
At the beginning.
They sent us to the Georgianborder, then they took us to the
Egyptian border A bit of abalagan.
That's how it is in Miluim andin war.
And it was very peaceful.
Thank God nothing happened andfor me it was even we were
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laughing, the guys there, thatwe are like, we're like, we are
in the, we are in the orif andthe families are in the chazit.
I don't know how you say thatMeaning.
We were in such a peacefulplace when the families were
running in and out of theMamadim.
We were in the desert, goingout for the sunrise, going back
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to the sunset.
It was very peaceful.
But still, the in and out ofMiloim is very difficult, very
difficult.
It takes me this time.
It took me almost a week tosettle in and to get things, you
know, in order.
And also I came back and it wascrazy because the main thing
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that we're doing here now iswe're designing the vineyards,
the younger vineyards that arein the third year of Vola now.
So I came back.
I was sure we were going to befinished, because I had a worker
here that was still working,somebody, some girl that's, uh,
actually here today also, and uhand I got to a situation where
there was a lot of work.
I had only three days in theweek, anyways, it was.
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It was crazy.
So, as far as uh, that that's.
That's the reka, the backgroundof the last year, of course and
so the vineyard is evolvingamazing.
Like I said, we finished lastweek designing the younger
vineyard and it looks very good.
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I'm very satisfied with theoutcome of the designing.
We designed mostly with thegirls from Rigavot, the high
school girls that are our mainworkers, and then they finished
their high school, so we gotworkers from the Shomer
HaChadash and we were luckybecause usually they are packed
with work and we got a few dayswith them.
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So they really did a good joband they finished everything.
Now we're basically fine-tuningthe designing.
We're going all over thevineyard again, checking each
one that is designed correctlydoesn't need any fixing.
Some we haven't designed yetone here, one there because they
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weren't big enough, because youhave to wait for them to be big
and way I imagine it.
This time it hit me there'swe've talked about this.
There's a lot, a few ways todesigning.
Right, you could.
The way we're designing iscalled VSP, which is one long
row, and then in that one longrow you could also do either
what we call the resh, which isyou take the vineyard and you
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take him to only to one side,and then the one next to him
goes also to his and thenthey're touching each other.
The way we're doing, it's it'sa t, it's a t goes up and we
split them into two and then theway I imagine, they're all
holding hands.
All the vines are.
Basically that's how I toldtheir guys, that's when I, when
I uh tell them how to do it.
So I want them all to beholding hands, all the vines,
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that's how it is at the end.
S. Simon Jacob (11:30):
So by designing it, you're talking about pruning
the vines back to the way youwant it to be to grow.
Nadav Jesselson (11:37):
So pruning is cutting, I think.
So there is cutting, this isjust taking the shoots and
bending them down.
And when you bend them downthey also change their name,
because at the beginning it's asarig, which is the branch.
When it's green it turns to bea zmora.
When it becomes brown, like abranch right, and if you bend
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them down to be basically themain branch for the next 60
years, so it turns to be a bud.
That's one of the specialthings I've talked about that
the vine has many differentwords in hebrew for each, each
part of this, so the but.
So when you do that, it turnsabout.
The bud is uh, which is themain wood, a beam.
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So that's what we did, and sothe pruning is going to be in
the winter.
But what's amazing is that wehave a small part where we
finished designing last year,and you see the difference
between one that you finisheddesigning and one that isn't
ready yet.
The ones that we finisheddesigning was the Sauvignon
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Blanc.
They had endless fruit thisyear and all the rest didn't
have anything.
They had a few here and there.
But you see the importance ofdesigning and why, for instance,
with Karma, when we did theolder vineyard here, they were
pressuring me to finishdesigning in the third year in
order for the fourth year to bealready full with fruit.
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In the second year they wantedto finish and that's why we had
here a lot of fruit on the thirdyear.
So we had here a Gdud I thinkit was 51, from Bach Golani and
they came to work.
They were amazing and they tookoff all the fruit from the
Sauvignon Blanc.
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Those are my favorite days whenI get these groups.
So that's as far as the youngervineyard.
The older vineyard we'repreparing for harvest.
It's looking good.
We're already in Bochal.
Bochal is when the fruitchanges its color.
Is there a word for that inEnglish?
S. Simon Jacob (13:44):
Yes, yeah, it's called Rizan where it goes from.
It's in English or in French.
It's probably French.
Yeah, it goes from From greento purple.
It goes from green to purple,yeah, but it's across the
different grapes.
Nadav Jesselson (13:56):
So it's not all purple.
S. Simon Jacob (13:58):
yet they're right in the middle Right.
Nadav Jesselson (13:59):
So in the Petit Syira we're already almost
90% purple and in the Kabarnetnot yet it didn't even start.
I think it's a little early,but actually this summer hasn't
been that hot yet.
We have had heat waves whichalso damaged the younger
vineyard a little, took us backa little as far as designing,
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but we overcame that, thank God,and so the summer isn't that
hot.
So I don't know why we'realready there, but we're there
anyways.
So I'm sure it's good.
Um, so that's the youngervineyard, the older vineyard and
, uh, as far as anava, you knowthe concept of anava.
Yeah, so we are evolving allthe time, as much as we can,
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again in and out of Miluim.
So it's it's hard to get, toget, you know and there's nobody
coming from abroad.
S. Simon Jacob (14:49):
Exactly it's like it's not like there's any
flights to be able to Now.
The flights are just startingto reopen, right.
Nadav Jesselson (14:55):
So and it's not going to take time still to
take time for me.
But so, besides the fact thatpeople aren't coming, we're,
it's tough, it's difficult forus.
Already, two years we're tryingto get our minds on this
product and to understand theproduct and to know how to give
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it to someone.
So we are doing a few changes.
We're opening now an optionbasically for someone to join
for just one cycle.
When you say a cycle, do youmean a Shemitah cycle?
Not a Shemitah cycle.
When I say a cycle, I mean theOnah.
Onah is a season cycle, avintage, a vintage exactly.
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To join for a vintage,basically being coming, enjoying
the vineyard, the events thatwe have here and all of the
experience that you enjoy hereand the harvesting and, you know
, being seeing where you'regoing to grow the grapes for
your wine.
But for one vintage V, but forone vintage.
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That's a new concept that weare working on now.
Hopefully very soon.
We're going to already try toadvertise and try to get people
interested.
S. Simon Jacob (16:24):
Tell me what was the base idea again.
Nadav Jesselson (16:27):
Correct, perfect.
The base idea was to the visionof Hanava is to share and
connect.
S. Simon Jacob (16:34):
That's reminding Share the opportunity to
connect to the land Exactly andto connect.
Nadav Jesselson (16:41):
We want to connect to people with the same
values and the same love for theland, for wine, for the land
for wine and through wine,basically, and to connect
between the people that willjoin.
Because I'll give you certainexamples that we just had lately
that I don't know if youremember, but it's going with
one of the things that you toldme that you tasted with the
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Akobo Goya you had when you weredoing the blends.
Told me that you tasted withthe akoboia you had.
Uh, we're doing the blends, sowe had something similar.
Now, um, um, uh.
So so our main concept wasthat's our vision.
And how do we do that?
By giving someone his ownvineyard.
We planted the vineyard in acertain way.
That's not conventional meaning.
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We planted half a dunamseparately so everybody could
feel where his plot is,literally.
You know, it's not even a rowin some vineyard.
One of these rows yeah, this isyours.
No, this is like.
You have a small garden, you'rea haklah, you're a vintner
yourself, and you're a vintneryourself because, even if you're
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not coming, we are yourshlichim.
So we have one of the plotshere called Fortress, which is a
parcel of Eran Gil that livesin Colorado and we're working
here.
As far as we want to thinkabout it, we're working as his
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shlichim and he is connecting tothe land and we're connecting
with him.
You're doing the heavy liftingit's heavy, but when you have
fun, yeah no.
Not heavy in a bad way.
S. Simon Jacob (18:22):
No, no, no in a good way.
What's happening is you'regiving people an opportunity to
own a vineyard where they canget as involved as they want,
right, right, but it's not ontheir heads to be involved.
Right In the situations wherethey can't be involved, you can
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handle the operational side ofit Exactly.
Nadav Jesselson (18:47):
So the way we're doing this is number one,
that we planted these parcelsseparately and you can feel it,
and we have beautiful signs.
That you give the name, so hegave fortress.
We have Vinyem Erav.
That you give the name, so hegave fortress.
We have Vinye Merav that isMenachem, he named it after his
wife.
And we have AP Partners, whichis a private equity from Tel
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Aviv which I worked with andthey also are very into wine,
very Zionist, so they hopped inright at the beginning.
So that's the first thing of thevineyard and the second thing
of the vineyard and the secondthing is basically a club.
This is a club of people withthese values and who want to
basically take the wine toanother level, I think, because
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you can do a barrel almost in alot of the wineries.
You can come and you'll paymoney and they'll make your own
barrel and you'll get also yourown labels and and everything.
But here it's the whole cycle,here it's uh, to connect from
the, from the roots, almost fromthe land.
Um, so the, the, that's ourhigh-end concept, or the, the
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original one, and we're addingto that First of all because we
want to add more people.
We have 30 parcels, 27 left andwe want more people.
And to also bring a price whereit's more accessible for more
people.
Ovadiah Jacob (20:12):
What's the base price before you get to the more
accessible?
Nadav Jesselson (20:14):
thing.
Buying into the club is seventythousand dollars and with that
you get your personal plot andaccess to the events, to the
vineyard, to being involved ineverything.
We have a few events throughoutthe year.
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We started with two events whenit was only the vineyard.
Next year we're already in thewinery.
We're starting making wine, sothere's gonna be two more events
, uh, maybe even four moreevents, um and uh.
So the 70 000 and then theyearly payment is uh 18, uh to
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taking care and to getting abarrel at the end.
The full cycle, of course of thevintage is in the vineyard and
then in the winery.
So we're making the wine.
Of course, eyal Drori he's ourwinemaker.
He's going to be leading.
We're going to bring in someoneto do the handwork together
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with us.
But Eyal is someone to do thehandwork together with us, but
the yacht is gonna be themastermind behind it.
A yacht is also very cautiousto what the people want to do,
so for that we're grateful thathe's with us, because he's
perfect for the job.
He's amazing and we also have avino.
I'm in bar who is theagronomist?
Ovadiah Jacob (21:39):
He's also leading with us.
Nadav Jesselson (21:42):
He was the agronomist of Castel for many
years and now he's went on hisown path and is with us.
He's here once a week.
So that's our first product,you could say say, and the
second one is for a cheaperprice, which we're working on
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the price right now, so I'm notgoing to give it to you yet, but
uh, that's for a vintage gum.
You don't have to, uh, go formany years now.
Come for just one to to getyour taste of wine from the
vineyard that you are connectedto.
So you get a barrel and yourown.
Yeah, again, I don't know whenthe vintage you're going to get.
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I don't know exactly the amountyet, but you can get a nice
amount of bottles with yourlabel, About 300 bottles Right
that's a barrel, okay, yeah.
But we have to see if Exactly.
What makes sense A barrel or alittle less.
S. Simon Jacob (22:45):
So one of the things that I was thinking about
is I like the idea of creatinga legacy for your children.
That's super important to meand I can imagine it would be
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incredibly important to a lot ofpeople, and one of the things
that stops it in my mind frombeing a legacy is the 18,000 a
year.
So I'm wondering whether is the18,000 a year.
So I'm wondering whether,instead of presenting it as
18,000 a year, there's a way topresent it as a larger amount in
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perpetuity, forever.
That it just does.
What's the story with the18,000?
Can it go up?
Ovadiah Jacob (23:38):
and down?
S. Simon Jacob (23:38):
Can it go up in the future?
Nadav Jesselson (23:41):
Is it locked at that?
It's not locked because thingschange.
We just left an option for usto change the price with the top
.
We can't change it.
I think it was like 4%, maybenot more than 4%.
There's also the inflation andwe can't change it.
I think it was like 4%, maybenot more than 4%.
There's also the inflation allkinds of nuance in that issue,
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but what do you mean?
First of all, I'm very happythat you're saying this because
I want your feedback.
S. Simon Jacob (24:11):
No, no, no.
That's one of the reasons Icame Perfect, not only the
podcast, but I wanted to come todiscuss with you Perfect, what
I'm.
Nadav Jesselson (24:19):
What do you mean?
That the 18 is heavy?
It's not heavy.
S. Simon Jacob (24:23):
It's that, it's a commitment, it's like a
subscription.
Nadav Jesselson (24:26):
Right.
S. Simon Jacob (24:26):
Okay, yeah, so when I have a subscription, if,
for some reason, I'm not aroundto pay the subscription, it's
like lost.
Also, I don't know whether mykids are going to pay for a
subscription, or who in my kidsare going to pay a subscription
or not.
But if I have it fixed as I'vepaid what I needed to pay or
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I've set up an insurance policyin some way so that if anything
happens to me or my wife or whathave you, that this legacy is
going to be there forever forthem, okay, um, I think that
that's a um, I don't know ifthis answers the question, but
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uh, but the 18 000 is it couldgo down if you don't want the
wine, if, if there's a year thatyou're saying I have too much
or somebody doesn't want, so itgoes down.
But I think that it's worthsetting up an approach that a
(25:31):
person could really pass it onas a legacy to their children.
Where I've for it, it's therewith.
You can build in the fourpercent, you can build in the
four percent increase and youcould also build into it.
Nadav Jesselson (25:47):
But right now the.
That's how it is, so I'mmissing something here, because
it's it's it's 18.
There isn't there isn't an endyou're missing the date.
Ovadiah Jacob (25:56):
My father's's passion is wine, hence the
podcast.
But his history, his profession, has been in the insurance
industry, and they have aproduct in the insurance
industry called an annuity,where you put a lot of money in
up front and then it spreads itas payments over an extended
period of time.
Right, so that pays for theforward.
S. Simon Jacob (26:18):
Okay, so that's the, the, and that way, you can
say you're leaving a legacy foryour kids.
It's done.
You know that your kids aregoing to be able to come here,
your grandkids are going to beable to come here, your
great-grandkids are going to beable to come here.
If they choose not to, that'stheir business, but you've taken
care of that.
(26:39):
Okay, yeah, and instead of justgiving them money which is a
nice thing you're giving themsomething more.
You're giving them, uh, you'regiving yeah, in israel, in a
vineyard.
you know like Amazing.
Nadav Jesselson (26:59):
I just think.
I think that's totally possible.
S. Simon Jacob (27:04):
Again, we are very flexible as far as I know,
you're looking for ways toattract people.
Nadav Jesselson (27:11):
Yeah, to do this, so yeah, up front or later
on for us it's it could be done.
Yeah, okay, don't worry this isthe last one, Any if you have
thoughts about it.
S. Simon Jacob (27:29):
We'll talk about it.
We'll put it together.
We'll talk about it, I justbecause I think there's some
people who are looking to leavea legacy.
The problem that you have is,when you tell them about a
subscription, they think yeah,well, who's going to?
Be there to pay it, yeah, andif I don't pay it, then it's
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gone.
What does that do?
And what happens if the pricesgo up significantly, or what
have you?
What does this really buy me?
Nadav Jesselson (28:02):
So we thought that the problem really is.
You know, it's very interestingthat you're saying that,
because one of the things thatmaybe that's I didn't approach
correctly, because when peoplesaid about the subscription, so
I felt like they had a problemwith the fact that it's going on
forever, because, because,because that was our part, our
(28:22):
thoughts, to do a legacy, yeah,I think you're going to pass
this on.
That's the whole thing.
So we didn't put an end date tothe, to the contract, so and
then, but then people, peoplecan't hold in their minds, I
feel, feel, how do I deal withit.
No, how do I deal with it?
I say infinity.
People can't hold infinityRight in their minds.
(28:45):
So we said, okay, maybe we'lldo it for just a few years, but
that defeats the whole.
S. Simon Jacob (28:51):
Not a few years meaning like 10, 20 years, 20
years, but that still defeatsthe purpose, because if I'm
trying to build my kids, alegacy it's not like a legacy
anymore.
Nadav Jesselson (29:05):
It's like, uh, it's like a.
So.
So what you're saying is uh isfor us, it's, uh, it's.
I know that's, that's the thing.
Let's uh.
We have to think.
I never thought about actually,we thought about it, but, um,
it's, it's.
It means pay a lot, a lot ofmoney at the beginning.
No, it doesn't.
Ovadiah Jacob (29:22):
You could do it with insurance too, if you are
not the one who has to worryabout that.
If you partner with aninsurance company that's going
to provide you with that product, then all you have to do is
decide up front what the amountis that you need to contract
with them for, and then they cangive you what is the
contractual lump sum you need,and then they can give you the
stream of payments that you needover the you know, in
(29:44):
perpetuity, the insurancecompany will be the one paying
for it.
Yeah, so you're just part of it.
You don't have to figure thatout.
S. Simon Jacob (29:50):
If not the insurance company, it's your
annuity, it's your family'sannuity or your trust's annuity.
Nadav Jesselson (30:02):
You would put the vineyard in trust.
Amazing.
Ovadiah Jacob (30:06):
I'm surprised they're not doing that now talk
to me about the Qum mitzvot thatcomes with you know
participation so we talk aboutthe legacy, the land.
S. Simon Jacob (30:15):
We talk about the money.
Now let's talk about Tachlis.
What are the mitzvot you canget from doing this?
All of the mitzvot at Leot.
Nadav Jesselson (30:22):
Baritz Literally Go ahead, go ahead.
Tell me no, give me a test now.
No no, no, no it's problematicbecause I I'm not knowledgeable
enough, or as much as I wouldwant to be, as far as the
mitzvot at Leot Ba'al.
But first of all, of course,you have Shemitah, which is
maybe, I think, the highlight ofmitzvot at Leot Ba'al, the suit
(30:44):
by which the Jewish peoplemerit the land of Israel, and
basically we give the option todo whatever you want in your
parcel for the Shemitah.
So you could say this year I'mnot doing anything and then
we'll prepare for that.
We'll do probably pruning muchearlier and one year we'll do.
And if you want Otzar Bedin orTer Mechira, whatever you want,
(31:08):
then we have the Orla, whichwe're gonna be next year already
after, and then we have, ofcourse, the Neta Revai.
Next year we're gonna be inNeta Revai.
We had Neta Rivai here lastyear and it was.
That was amazing.
Who knows, maybe next yearalready Neta Rivai is going to
(31:29):
be literally taken toYerushalayim and eating it there
.
You have a party.
So we have Neta Rivai.
Urla Shemitah.
There's also the actually thatI did learn lately.
So we have neta revay, urlashmita.
There's also the actually thatI did learn lately olelot.
How does it go, peret?
(31:53):
When you harvest, you have toleave the little clusters on the
vine.
You're not allowed to take themoff.
You're leaving them for theaniim.
I forgot.
So, peret, ve'olilot, somethinglike that, right?
So I think that I learned aboutit, that it means that there's
no, and katif, meaning thecluster usually is like a
(32:15):
triangle, right?
So if there's no katif, noshoulders, you have to leave it
or something like that.
But that's only when an'imliterally come to take it.
If they don't, you takeeverything off.
Ovadiah Jacob (32:28):
You don't have to leave and you don't even have
to give some pidyon for it.
What about pe'ah for thecorners of the field?
Nadav Jesselson (32:36):
So I think that pe'ah isah is correct me,
if I'm wrong is for wheat, notfor the vineyards, but I have to
look into it more.
Some people, actually we'retrying to work now with an
(33:00):
amazing guy by the name of Ari.
He's a wine.
You know the site, maybeKiddush.
They sell wine.
It's his site.
Anyways, he does marketing andnot sales, mostly marketing.
He's a very brilliant guy.
So we met him and what was nice?
That he said I've seen yoursite already.
And I said when?
And he said a very long timeago, we had the same idea him
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and two of his friends, somebodyhad an achala not far from here
and they were going to do hesaid we weren't going to do
another winery.
So we said, well, let's dosomething special.
And they went towards the factof Mitzvot, hapiot Baritz, to
selling mitzvot.
I don't know why, but I feltthat.
(33:45):
So that definitely you'regetting that, definitely you're
part of that.
But that wasn't going to be.
You know, come do mitzvahs andgive me money and do mitzvahs.
That wasn't kind of me.
When I started, somebody cameto me it was right, we planted
right before Shemitah.
And then somebody came to me,somebody that I met through a
(34:11):
period where I worked withTurgim and he came and he wanted
to buy the olive grove in orderto sell it to people so they
could do Shemitah.
I don't know why I feltuncomfortable with that, because
they were're a combination ofdoing mitzvot.
S. Simon Jacob (34:29):
So I wanted to do that with.
I wanted to do that with fieldswhere you know to tell a farmer
you have to keep Shemitah andyou don't have any support for
that I always thought that thatwas crazy in order to give the
(34:50):
farmer support for keepingShemitah, so fund him some money
.
Nadav Jesselson (34:58):
So there's a Keran Hashmitah.
You've heard of it.
Yes, so my friend across thestreet, he worked with him a lot
.
He went to the states a lot.
You've heard of it.
Yes, so my friend across thestreet, he worked with him a lot
.
He went to the States a lotalso to raise money for it.
I think he did Otzar Betim.
Okay, but still, when you doOtzar Betim you could put a big
sign.
Kan Shomrim Shemitah?
You know that.
(35:19):
You've seen those signs?
S. Simon Jacob (35:19):
Oh, I didn't know you can do that.
Nadav Jesselson (35:21):
Yeah, if you're doing a Tzahar Beitin,
you can put up a sign.
That's what he did.
This is already a deal.
What's Shemitah and what's not?
Maybe it's also I'm going alittle bit to politics, but as
far as I'm concerned, we did aTer Mechira.
We didn't have fruit, but wedid a Ter Mechira and Anishomer
Shemitah, meaning, if I believethat this is, this is halacha.
(35:45):
So people ask me do you keepShemitah?
Yes, I make more money and Ikeep Shemitah.
Otherwise I don't make moremoney, so I don't keep it, but
of course, I keep Shemitah.
I think that Shemitah is one ofthe most amazing concepts in
the Israeli Jewish agriculture.
S. Simon Jacob (36:06):
It's also to be honest.
People think that they knowShemitah.
They know what they're talkingabout with Shemitah.
99% of the people don't know.
Even the Rebbeim don't know.
I remember I used to.
I used to not touch anythingwith Shemitah.
(36:27):
I wouldn't touch any wine thathad had to Mechira or Otzer
B'din or anything.
I wouldn't touch it.
It's Shemitah, I don't wantanything to do with it, what
have you?
But that was a mentality that Iderived from living in Galut,
Living in Israel.
If somebody's keeping Shemitahlike Otzer B'din or what have
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you, it's a mitzvah to drinkthis wine, it's a huge deal to
drink it and it's not.
I mean, this isn't something Ican take the bottle and take it
to America and what have you.
You really shouldn't do that.
I don't know whether peoplehave culotte to do that or not,
but I I wouldn't do that.
But but then I'd also at thesame time make sure I drank
(37:16):
every drop of it, my father usedto finish the bottle yeah, pour
water into it and drink thewater and drink it again.
That's what I, what I do.
I do that, but that's actually.
That's a situation.
It's not just a chumrah that'swearing a belt.
That's for the fun of it.
That's wearing a belt andsuspenders.
Nadav Jesselson (37:33):
That's not even a chumrah that's for the
fun of it.
There's nothing in there.
That's a belt.
Ovadiah Jacob (37:37):
I agree, I agree.
S. Simon Jacob (37:46):
So, as I said, that's like wearing a belt and
suspenders, it's like extra, butI think that that's an
incredible thing to be able togive people an ability to
practice halachot that theydon't have access to.
Nadav Jesselson (38:02):
First of all, it's on my to-do list and
hopefully soon that I want tolearn the issues you know really
deep.
At the end of the day, thefirst year I kept here, shemitah
, was an unbelievable experience.
Again, we did a ter mechira.
But even if you're doing a termechira, you can't prune by
(38:23):
yourself.
You have to bring non-Jews todo it.
So we were in the last year ofdesigning, or the first year of
designing, and even though wehad a whole diyun with the
kashrut of Carmel, and with whodid we talk to?
We talked to a few people fromRabbanim that know the thing,
(38:47):
and we, we, what the dune was,is this considered zmira?
Because zmira is, is is thehardest.
You know the akhi su, and hesaid no, that well.
So we did it only with uh, withuh palestinians who worked here,
and I was walking in thevineyard with my clipper.
(39:08):
It was in the pocket for thewhole year.
You couldn't take it out.
Even when you see somethingthat you have to cut, you
couldn't take it out.
It's like Shabbos.
This is Yosef.
You remember Yosef?
Shalom, abraha, how are you,simon, jacob, simon, let's maybe
, maybe, move you out of the sun.
Ovadiah Jacob (39:22):
I'm okay, that's how it moves A little bit to the
left.
I'm good You're going to be inthe sun more and more I like sun
.
Nadav Jesselson (39:28):
Okay, perfect, baruch Hashem.
Baruch Hashem Yosef is beforewe were talking about Miluim, so
he came back Thursday, goingback today, tomorrow, tomorrow
he's in Syria Working hard inSyria At.
S. Simon Jacob (39:45):
Tomorrow he's in Syria Working hard in Syria.
At least it's not cold.
At least it's not cold now.
Huh, At night it's cold, cold,really.
Nadav Jesselson (39:53):
That's the Golan.
The Golan has unbelievable.
The Golan is, you know, I envythe Golan for their grapes.
Anything they grow there isunbelievable.
Between the shifts he's goingall over the vineyards there.
You know, learning, looking,because the Golan was the first
place where they made a qualitywine.
You know, a gift from God.
(40:15):
It's amazing.
And he came here.
He came here to live in thecaravan and it was perfect
because it was when we plantedthe vineyard, the younger
vineyard, and I really wantedsomebody to be here all the time
.
You know, if there's a problemwith the watering or something
like that, because we had in thefirst experience, in the first
planting, we had issues.
(40:37):
So the fact that somebody washere all the time kept us calm
and it was a win-win.
Because they were looking for aplace to put their caravan and
we needed someone and it was amuch not fun.
And since the war started and hehad a different job and since
the war started, he was inmedellin for a few months.
I was in medellin for a fewmonths and when we met after a
(40:58):
few months he said I was lookingagain, I was looking for a
worker and he was looking forsomething more stable because,
because he was independent andhe was working in pruning trees,
he was looking for something,you know, a job with a paycheck.
So again, we had a littlechashot because we were like
(41:20):
family, so what, you're going towork for me or whatever.
Got over that and for the lasttwo years it's been amazing,
almost, uh, and he cares for thevineyard.
That's, at the end, that's whatwe want people who work with me
.
I need their home yeah, who areowners?
Ovadiah Jacob (41:37):
they want to be owners, so so for the 27 unsold
plots at this point in time,have you started the process at
all, or is it or meaning they'realready partway through the
Orla process or it's stillundeveloped?
They?
Nadav Jesselson (41:51):
are in the third year of Orla.
Next year we're harvesting Handharvest and we're going to make
wine at the winery together, inthe winery in Safririm, with
Hiday Hiday.
That's his wine.
Here I'll just read the backfor you, because you're going to
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like this, I think, becauseit's also your Rebbe, I think,
in wine.
If I remember correctly, in thefirst year we gave our offering
in the field next to the garden,of the seed, of the seed, the
seed that is in the depth of thefield.
In the years that followed theyadded to it also a part of
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olives, shalom, and in everywork I did I tasted the taste of
the tree as if it were realfruit.
I drank this wine and drank itfrom the fruits of the tree and
from my heart, and also from theheart of my friend, my teacher
and rabbi, the Yinan YaakovUriah.
Every day I go to the field,from it to it.
It is a local wine that I choseand inside it is the Nitzav
HaSulam.
Remember, this is a local wine.
It's like there's Aleph.
He calls the Ayn Mekomi Becausethere's Aleph Darad Gordon.
(43:10):
You know the name.
He was the.
They call him the Rav of theChalutzim.
You know the days were we'retalking about before the
establishment of the state Right?
So there was Aleph Darad Gordon.
He was in the days of Rav Kookand he was not religious.
So it was Aleph Dalet Gordon.
He was in Days of Arav Kook andhe was not religious.
But what he wrote and thethings he did, he was, you know,
(43:31):
he was their Moray Aruchani andhe has a thing that he said
Ve'od nizkarti this is AlephDalet Gordon, ve'od nizkarti.
Ve'ineh sulam mutzav arzave'rosho megia ha'shameima U'ma
anu.
So I love this because we havethe parushim in Yaakov right,
(43:54):
that he is the ladder Right, andthey say about Yaakov that he
is his head.
Yes, we are the ladder.
We have Shammai and Eretzinside of us.
So he says what are we lookingfor if not a place to put our
ladder?
I love that.
So he calls it Mikomi.
He's building a winery behindhis house.
Our connection is that when Iplanted the Dan Bat amazing guy
(44:22):
who was my consultant, he was myfor the vineyard and he said
listen, you have to meet Idaibecause he's also planting.
Go see what he's doing andlearn from him.
And we clicked immediately andsince then we're a chavuta
learning Gemara together.
He's not religious.
Which makes it for me even moreinteresting.
He's very knowledgeable, he'svery into Hasidut again, but
(44:46):
he's super not religious.
So I'm saying he's notreligious, Shomer Mitzvot, but
he talks about Ani Malen,Yitzotzot, Mea Arez when he goes
into the vineyard.
It's something really specialand interesting.
You know what?
S. Simon Jacob (45:06):
Somebody needs to talk to him.
I'll tell you why Because it'snot about connecting to the
Rabbanut, it's about connectingto the Kadesh Baruch Hu.
That's all.
That's the whole discussion.
I mean, you can have all sortsof disagreements with rabbis or
(45:26):
Rebbeim or the Rabbanut as awhole, but the thing that you
can't, you know, like when aperson says he's Hiloni, you
know, unfortunately, theblockage is the Rabbanut and
they've got to realize that thatdoesn't make a difference, it
(45:47):
doesn't mean anything.
You can't be Hiloni fromKaddish Baruch Hu.
That's what you need to beconnected to and that's it.
And that's what it sounds like.
It sounds like he's connectedto Kaddish Baruch Hu, but he
doesn't want to deal with hisgroups, the middlemen who are on
(46:08):
the ground.
Wow.
Nadav Jesselson (46:16):
I've heard somebody say once the problem
isn't the Yahadut, the problemis the Yehudim.
S. Simon Jacob (46:23):
Please God, it won't be.
Please God, it won't be.
Please God, it won't be.
Nadav Jesselson (46:26):
I don't totally agree.
I don't totally disagree withthat saying and I totally agree
with you I think there's also, Idon't know what to tell you.
I envy him the way he talksabout his vineyard, because
that's like something I want toachieve, walking here and being
in such.
That's the whole thing fromunderstanding.
Like something I want toachieve, walking here and being
(46:47):
in such irat shamayim and ahavatHashem.
S. Simon Jacob (46:48):
That's a that's the whole thing.
Nadav Jesselson (46:49):
From understanding, I think he
experiences what you know, whatwe're talking about the land and
the kudusha the land.
S. Simon Jacob (46:56):
That's what I want.
To make sure he understandsthat, that that I get that he
does.
Nadav Jesselson (47:02):
He says I'll just I.
I get that.
He does.
He says I'll just so.
If you talk to him, he doesn'tbelieve in God.
That's like it's not only theRabbanut which he definitely has
issues with, but he says God isin your heart, or stuff like
that.
You know.
S. Simon Jacob (47:20):
There is no God.
Okay, so Albert Einstein wasthe same.
I just finished a biography byhim.
It's such a pity.
He's such a spiritual person.
He was such an incrediblyspiritual person.
He believed that there was acreator, but he didn't believe
that anybody could have a directconnection with the creator.
(47:42):
That's like the philosoph thatthe creator does not come.
He read a lot of philosophy.
He was German and what have you.
He read all of the rubbish sohe believed that God would be
there.
God is there, but he doesn'tcare about me.
Why would he care about me?
I'm a little pizzola and thetruth is that's so sad.
(48:03):
Because you're a ladder,because you grasp the universe.
Nadav Jesselson (48:09):
This is like you're.
S. Simon Jacob (48:10):
Avraham Avinu.
You see that this is all notrandom.
I mean, he said his whole life,God does not throw dice.
He realized that it's notrandom, that everything is there
because of God, that God has aplan, but that he wasn't part of
the plan, that he wasn't he,that he he wasn't, he didn't
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have a kesher into it except aslike one of the pieces of that.
We're moving and it's like sosad.
It's like not knowing yourfather, knowing that your father
there, but not ever knowingthat you could talk to him.
So it's sad, it's a sadsituation.
But you know Baruch Hashemthere's a lot of people and if
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you look at what's his nameAcher he, I think, very strongly
believes in God.
But he believed in God from aperspective of what we need to
do is God is so real that theonly way to get him to pay any
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attention to me is for me tozets him.
You know there's children wholike that.
There are children who you havewho are the perfect children.
They take care, they doeverything that you would want
them to do.
There's other children who arethe worst.
They're the most difficult.
Nadav Jesselson (49:36):
And they connect through the pinching.
S. Simon Jacob (49:38):
Yeah, they want to know that you're remembering
them.
They want to know that you'rethere.
Nadav Jesselson (49:44):
Wow, I never heard that about Achiel.
S. Simon Jacob (49:46):
It's definitely, it's, definitely.
This is exactly what he did,and when he saw other people
breaking the rules, he said no,no, you can't do this, it's
wrong.
Nadav Jesselson (49:55):
When he was walking with a male.
S. Simon Jacob (49:57):
Yeah, with a horse.
Nadav Jesselson (49:58):
And he told him to stop.
S. Simon Jacob (49:59):
You're going out of the out of the out of home.
You know you?
That's ridiculous.
If you don't believe in god,why would you say that to a
person?
So I I really believe it's likehe felt that he wanted god so
much that he was trying to stickhim in order to get him to deal
with him directly you know, wedo that, we all do that, we all
(50:23):
do things from different places.
Okay, tell me a little bit aboutwhat sort of simchat have you
had here, what sort of specialoccasions I participated in?
A dinner Right, that was likeone of the most incredible.
Nadav Jesselson (50:42):
We're having another one this year, wow, and
I hope you come.
I would love to Perfect, areyou kidding?
And this time we're having itone this year, one of the most
incredible.
We're having another one thisyear, wow, and I hope you come.
I would love to Perfect, areyou kidding?
And this time we're having itwith Hiday.
Like I said, hiday is a specialguy.
He's a chef.
We have to try it.
You have to open it.
You can't Perfect.
Okay, hiday, he has a thingthere.
(51:06):
He's a vegan, exactly.
It's a coffee shop with thewhole concept of from farm to
table.
His brother is running the farmin the Aravah and almost
everything that they're servingthere is from the farm, or they
know exactly where from.
They're not buying from amiddleman, they're buying
directly from the Chaklein.
So he is going to prepare us ameal.
(51:29):
He's going to prepare us aspecial meal here.
Hopefully, we're going to havesome talks.
It's going to be different fromlast year.
We're doing something a littledifferent, not with a whole
sitting and everything.
No, we're going to have a table.
S. Simon Jacob (51:44):
Yeah, but it doesn't have to be so fancy,
exactly so, exactly, exactly.
A little less formal, okay, butthat was over the top, so
incredibly beautiful.
Yeah, that's what we want to dothere's so many people I wish
had experienced that.
It was like my wife is.
Is is not a formal person.
(52:05):
She doesn't like makeup.
She doesn't like all of thisshtick.
She's very.
I would take her out to a fancyrestaurant.
She would laugh at me.
She likes a picnic.
She doesn't like anything fancy.
You're lucky, you know.
It took me years before Irealized how lucky I was.
(52:25):
It really took me years.
So all of a sudden, when wecame to this dinner, she said
this is the best.
Nadav Jesselson (52:35):
This is the best we've ever experienced.
It makes me so happy thatyou're saying that, because I
think that that is what we'retrying to do, that it's high
class.
But Eretz Israel, you know fromthe ground, 100%.
You know nothing.
(52:56):
That's just shiny, with notoken, with no substance, yeah,
substance.
S. Simon Jacob (53:04):
That was an incredible experience,
absolutely incredible experience.
The people, I think everybodywho was there was blown away.
There wasn't anybody who cameyeah, it was really.
It was really fun, it wasreally didn't feel like, wow,
what an incredible curatedexperience to have.
So so has anybody done barmitzvot or bat mitzvot?
(53:29):
We had here weddings.
Okay, how did they do that?
Where did they have them?
Nadav Jesselson (53:34):
Right here In the olive grove we have the
dancing was over there.
Here you have tables.
The way the events I call themthe private events, not the uh
on a vibe events the way theevents evolved here is that we
had our daughters, but mitzvahagain, the whole concept sharing
(53:55):
and connecting.
So, whatever we're experiencing, I want to share this amazing
experience.
So we had our daughters bymitzvah, actually in the middle
of the vineyard, um, becausethen also the younger vineyard
wasn't there yet, so we couldpark everybody over there.
And then, uh, my daughter mether friend who said that her
sister just, uh, um, thevineyard where she was supposed
(54:18):
to get married in canceled onthem, so they were looking.
So she offered her, my daughteroffered her sister, daughter,
offer no the old one said wejust had our event.
Maybe you want to do talk to myfather, and that's it.
And he came here.
Amazing people, our neighborsactually.
They are from uh aderet and nowthey moved to nechusha where we
live, yeah, and they had theirwedding here and it it's amazing
(54:45):
.
I think that weddings are thebest and just to give an example
of what I mean, that when I hadhere one of the weddings we had
here last year so a friend ofmine, it was a friend of my
brother actually and anotherfriend told me, he looked at me
and he said this is the best.
How do you say fertilizer?
(55:06):
Yeah, yeah, this is the bestfertilizer.
You is the best fertilizer forthe land, and that's how I feel.
So we can't do too much becauseat the end you're not allowed.
No, you can get.
You can't gethurim for it.
You can get authorization to doan event, but if you do a lot
(55:30):
of events, it becomes a gardenright, an event.
Ulam er-ruim, yeah, ulamer-ruim.
And that's not.
First, that's not what I wantto do.
Second, of all, it could get usnot in trouble, but it could do
problems.
You don't want that.
So what happened is the sisterof the guy who built this
(55:50):
amazing pergola got married hereand later, after she got
married, I understood that sheis a very known wedding
organizer and we connected andwe felt that we could trust and,
(56:13):
at the end of the day, anybodywho comes today, she's our
wedding organizer.
So we don't take any money atall for the place.
In different places they take alot for you to do an event, but
because I don't want that to bethe issue and I want to do it,
you know from the heart.
So what we did is at thebeginning we used to meet the
(56:36):
couple and then we used to meettheir wedding organizer and we
have to see, and then we have totell them you have to be
careful here and careful there.
And we had a wedding whichwasn't bad, but it was hard with
the wedding organizer.
We didn't feel that she waswith us, you know, and taking
care all in.
So with Batia, that's the girl,that's the wedding organizer.
(57:02):
She cares for the vineyard asif she's one of Anava's
employees.
So anybody who calls us todayeven though it's hard for me to
tell them, no, you have to gothrough Patia, but a few calls
and now that's what I'm doingall the time.
Even a friend of a brother, ofa friend of my brother, which I
(57:26):
love, came here last week,thursday, with his fiance the
cutest, amazing, amazing.
That's all again, I love it.
I love to meet these couples.
He's from the Gush, she's fromWeizmann, from Rehovot.
Really the worlds are connectedreally.
(57:48):
And he had a wedding organizedalready and even though I know
him and I love him andeverything, I told him listen,
you got to go through Batia andI hope it works, and if it
doesn't again, I can never tellpeople no.
Also, so she does it for me andshe's very good because she
knows when, when it's not.
You know, if someone just wantsto have a crazy party here,
(58:09):
that's not not here.
Don't come in, yeah, don't cometo my.
I'm inviting you into my house,yeah, which is a zchut for me.
You know to call this house andum, so she takes care of it.
So we, we have mainly weddings.
There was going to be a barmitzvah, but then the war with
Iran burst out Somebody actuallyfrom.
(58:30):
That's interesting.
That's not through Bat Yad,it's through a friend of ours
from Yerushalayim.
She's a very high classorganizer and she was going to
be A family wanted to dosomething with Miluim Nikim and
something you know a bar mitzvahwith uh uh.
So I brought a friend of minewho is doing endless miluim much
more than me and he has his owncompany.
(58:51):
He builds uh greenhouses formainly for uh schools and and
stuff like that um, and he givesthem also uh education there
and everything to then they havethe schools, have a greenhouse
where they plant stuff and gothrough uh educational process.
So they were going to build onehere.
I was going to bring him andthen they were going to benefit
(59:13):
for the miluimnik and dosomething and have their event
here.
Uh, that at the end again thewar came, and then they stayed
in Miami to do their barmitzvah, as far as I know.
So I think we have to celebratethis land as much as we can,
(59:34):
mainly weddings meanwhile, butwhat we're doing now is also,
until we have anava members,when we'll have Anava members,
we're going to stop everythingthat's going to be from outside,
because it's going to be onlyfor the Anava members.
When we'll have Anava members,we're going to stop everything
that's going to be from outside,because it's going to be only
for the Anava members, but untilthen we'll see.
Thank you so much thank you somuch.
S. Simon Jacob (59:58):
Wow, I tried to surprise you.
You surprised me.
Please tune in again next weekfor part two of our episode with
Nadav Jesselson and the AnavaVineyard.
This is Simon Jacob, again yourhost of today's episode of The
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