April 9, 2025 • 30 mins
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Prepare for an extraordinary Passover experience as we journey through the perfect wine pairings for your Seder table. Broadcasting from Rav Shlomo Katz's beautiful synagogue in Efrat, this special collaboration between The Kosher Terroir and JM in the AM delivers both practical wisdom and spiritual depth for the holiday.
Simon Jacob guides us through his meticulously curated wines for the four cups – beginning with La Forêt Blanche rosé from the historic Yatir region (where King David planted vineyards for Temple's sacrifices), progressing to the robust Flam White Label, continuing with a light Tepperberg Grenache, and culminating with the sweet Ya'acov Oryah "G" Gwurtztraminer that perfectly complements the Afikomen. Along the way, Simon solves the perennial Passover dilemma of what to serve at Kiddush Club when whiskey is forbidden, recommending premium kosher brandies like Julius from the Golan.
The conversation transcends mere wine tasting as Rav Shlomo Katz shares profound insights about the sacred balance between Torah study and spiritual connection during the Seder. He describes how his father would "daven the Haggadah" rather than simply read it, creating an experience that passes authentic tradition to the next generation. "It's the night that you could give over Yiddishkeit to your children more than any other night of the year," Nachum Segal explains, calling Seder night "a fulcrum of the entire year."
Perhaps most moving is the discussion of the symbolic "fifth cup" representing V'heveti – God's promise to bring the Jewish people to the Land of Israel. As Nachum Siegel powerfully states, "The story that begins with the exodus from Egypt has only one ending... the Jews who spent hundreds of years in Egypt, eventually getting to Eretz Yisrael."
Whether you're seeking practical wine guidance or deeper connection to Passover's enduring traditions, this episode offers wisdom to enhance your celebration. Chug Pesach Kasher V'Samayach
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Solomon Simon Jacob (00:09):
Welcome to The Kosher Terroir.
I'm Simon Jacob, your host forthis episode from Jerusalem.
Before we get started, I askthat, wherever you are, please
take a moment and pray for thesafety of our soldiers and the
safe return of all of ourhostages.
Welcome to The Kosher Terroir.
(00:30):
This episode was actually partof the JM in the AM episode
hosted by Nahum Siegel on NSNthis week.
It took place in Efrat at RavShlomo Katz's beautiful
synagogue, which celebrates itsthird anniversary, the Shabbat.
We all tasted wines that weremy suggestion for the four cups
(00:52):
of this year's Passover Seder.
There was also very seriousdiscussion between Nachum and
Rav Shlomo regarding the ShviShel Pesach celebrations that
occur among Hasidic communities.
Pesach celebrations that occuramong Hasidic communities and
the custom of the fifth cup ofwine at the Seder for those
celebrating Hashem, bringingthem back home to Eretz Yisrael.
(01:13):
I know that this could havebeen heard earlier as part of
Nachum's morning show, but itwas so meaningful to me that I
had to publish it within podcast.
So without any furtherintroduction, welcome to the
party.
Nachum Segal (01:28):
All right, Simon Jacob says that there are some
recommendations he has for thisyear's Pesach Seder.
When it comes to deliciouskosher wine, Simon, 20 years ago
there were only a certainnumber of kosher, and especially
Israeli wines.
You know, what's going on todayin the wine market.
You know what's happening nowwith Israeli wines.
Solomon Simon Jacob (01:45):
There are over 300 wineries in.
Israel Over 300 wineries.
Nachum Segal (01:50):
What has happened to the people that don't drink?
All of a sudden, they're intowines from around the world, and
especially Israel.
Solomon Simon Jacob (01:55):
But, that said, I want some much more
important issue.
The more important issue isthat we're coming up on a
Shabbat and Shabbat always has,after Shacharit, a Kiddush club.
Nachum Segal (02:08):
Whoa Okay, let's check this out.
Solomon Simon Jacob (02:13):
I don't know if they have a Kiddush club
here, and one of the problemsis the real people who come to
the Kiddush club always needtheir whiskey, and the whiskey
is Hametz.
It's already put away, soeverything's put away.
And to say that you, what aconundrum it is.
It's a big problem.
It's a big problem.
So, just so that you shouldknow the people who drink
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whiskey when they started tomake whiskey and also the other
spirits, their goal was tocreate something like brandy.
That was the goal, and thereason why it was a goal was
because grapes weren't availableall over and brandy was only in
certain areas, and it'sactually also only in certain
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seasons to be able to get greatproducts okay, where you can
basically distill things anytime of the year that you want
to.
So the issue was how do you getsomething that's like brandy?
Here we are on Pesach, you canactually drink brandy.
Now, in the past, there werevery few and really not very
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good brandies, especially herein Arez, I mean, there was 777,
which you could use to actuallycook food on.
I mean, people used to pour itinto a container and light it,
and that was really basicallythe brandies that were available
we are now living at a timewhere not only do we have wine,
we have some incredible brandies, and they're not only brandies
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that are coming in from Francethat are absolutely cachere, but
we also have brandies that comefrom the Golan.
There's one of the bestbrandies I've ever tasted in my
life is a brandy called Julius,and you can get it easily in
Israel.
It's a little pricey, but it'sspectacular, and I strongly
recommend that on Shabbat forthe Kiddush Club, it goes great
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with everything.
Nachum Segal (04:15):
Thank goodness, you solved it Okay.
Solomon Simon Jacob (04:16):
So you're solved.
You're solved as far as theKiddush Club is concerned.
Thank you, okay, so that'snumber one on the hit parade.
I just want to make sure we getto the Shabbat Kiddush first.
Nachum Segal (04:25):
By the way, simon's solution is good 20
years from now also, yes,because that's the next time
that Shabbat will be Erephesah.
Solomon Simon Jacob (04:33):
It's good all the time, so let's put this
in the archives right.
Nachum Segal (04:36):
Yes 20 years from now, they could dig it out of
their computer file and find out.
What did the Jews of the 2025era do when they were faced with
this problem?
And they'll have an answerMeruch Baruch Hashem, 100%.
Look at this.
Solomon Simon Jacob (04:47):
We're going down in history 100% Great, I'm
ready for them to use it in 20years, okay.
So let's talk about the fourcups.
Okay, the four cups for theseders, for the seder, or seders
if you're in outside area ofthe world you're in If you're
outside.
So most of the mavens, withregard to the four cups, the
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mavens of wine create a.
You know they have a game planand typically they have a
precise game plan as to whatthey want to do, especially in
today's world, with the winesthat are out today and what have
you.
So they take differentapproaches and last year I
created a podcast where I askedpeople their game plans for
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Pesach and there were somereally interesting game plans.
In fact, one that, especiallyfor people in Hul only for
people in Hul included doingonly Israeli wines for the first
Seder and then doing wines fromHul because it's actually only
applicable in Chutz Laretz.
So that was one and that's asort of thing.
(05:54):
And some people pick a winethat they love and they drink it
for all four cups.
Some people, some enthusiasts,pick bottles based on specific
things that are going on in theSeder and, specifically, people
who are there.
All right, and, as we talkedbefore, because there's so many
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wines, there's a desire to havea playlist.
The same way where you had allof the, you had a couple of
music songs on your walkman, asI remember, and now you've got
thousands of uh songs and youneed a playlist, you need
something to be able to uh, goto and to modify.
Okay, first of all, I just wantto mention that, if their kids
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are in in attendance and if youwant to stay absolutely awake
for everything, there's alwaysgrape juice, and you know my
family loves Kedem and you canactually get Kedem here, which
is actually from New York grapes, which is kind of crazy.
And then there's tea Roche, uh,which some of the some of my
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family likes, but most of themdon't, but I kind of like it, um
, and, and that's that's theoptions for grape juice, but
grape juice is always, always anoption.
Kabbalistically, there's adefinite preference for red
wines.
Okay, so you've got to reallydrink a red wine for the Seder,
for the, for the um.
Nachum Segal (07:24):
Some will drink white and pour a little red in
it.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:26):
Yes, some people do that, or some people
start out with a rosé, so in therecommendations I'm going to
make it a rosé for the firstwine, and I think that there's a
reason for that.
Nachum Segal (07:38):
You have a very anxious crowd ready to taste
some wines.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:40):
Here we go.
Here we go, I'm sorry, come on.
Nachum Segal (07:45):
I'll be quiet.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:46):
People travel far and wide to be here
for the big wine tasting.
Nachum Segal (07:47):
Okay, so I happen to have four glasses here, so
this is what you'll use for thefirst cup.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:52):
The first cup is La Forette, the White
Forest, blanche Blanche.
Nachum Segal (07:57):
La Forette.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:58):
Blanche, it's the White Forest, and the
White Forest happens to be theBeit HaMikdash, okay, and it
comes from a winery that's inYatir, near Yatir.
It's in the Yatir forest, andactually that area was planted.
The grapes were planted byDavid HaMelech in order for the
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wine that eventually came fromthere to be used in the Beit
HaMikdash, so that's where thatcame from you can pour some for
yourself.
Nachum Segal (08:31):
everyone's about to make a l'chaim.
You have to at least firststart that.
Solomon Simon Jacob (08:33):
Okay, okay, okay, okay okay.
Nachum Segal (08:37):
The paparazzi's taking photos of you.
Okay, here we go.
Solomon Simon Jacob (08:40):
So this is the rosé from there.
It's actually le furet blancheand it's wonderful.
It's in 2024.
And L'chaim Baruch atah, adonaiElohim Baruch atah.
Nachum Segal (08:52):
Amen, L'chaim, L'chaim everybody.
Solomon Simon Jacob (08:56):
Okay.
Nachum Segal (08:57):
I'm going to drink it.
This reminds me of SiddusMashiach Wine after wine, after
wine.
Okay, oh, they don't do that,shviesa Hezal, do they?
Of course not.
It's not an Alfred ShviesaHezal diaspora thing.
Shviesa Hezal, shabbosafternoon, they're going to do
it.
I love it.
Solomon Simon Jacob (09:11):
So this is a light wine.
It's fun, which I really thinkthe opening wine should be.
It's low alcohol and it'sperfect.
And actually using a rosé atyour Seder probably is going to
generate questions.
So it's the first question.
Okay, let's get to the second.
Nachum Segal (09:30):
What's this one?
Solomon Simon Jacob (09:30):
called.
The second is Flam White Label,nice.
It happens to be a rich, veryrobust wine.
I'll pour less.
Nachum Segal (09:46):
I don't.
Yeah, you've got to slow thisdown, Simon Oh'll pour less.
I don't yeah you've got to slowthis down.
Simon, oh my gosh, we've gotpeople driving up to this,
including you, by the way, Iknow.
Solomon Simon Jacob (09:53):
Okay, so it's a white label by Flop.
This is a robust wine, this iswhat's going to go into the meal
and it really needs to berobust and it can carry forward
through the meal.
Nachum Segal (10:05):
It's a maggid wine .
It needs time to aerate, asthey say.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:09):
Yes, it's a great wine.
Some other wines that you mightchoose are like the Grad Vid by
Castel, the Wittken Cab Francor Churashim, or the Shiloh
Secret Reserve or Mosaic itsounds like you're getting
emotional.
Okay, I am Does the wine makeyou emotional.
It makes me incrediblyemotional, so, l'chaim, we'll
try this one.
This is the cup two.
Nachum Segal (10:29):
I've got to get back to this topic with the Rav,
shlomo Katz, for a minute.
Do you think your brewery isdoing a Suddus Moshiach on the
seventh day of Pesach Out ofMitzvah?
To clear that up, rafi, youalso weigh in on this.
We grew up together, oh my In.
Fairlawn.
Holy cow, we thought we wereinsiders from Sloan.
(10:50):
He really knows.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:52):
They grew up together In Fairlawn New.
Nachum Segal (10:53):
Jersey.
It sounds like they grew uptogether in Fairlawn.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:55):
Yep.
Nachum Segal (10:56):
All right, there you go.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:57):
Next one.
Nachum Segal (10:59):
My Mahlutin's from Fairlawn.
Okay, I'm very curious aboutthis guy.
Solomon Simon Jacob (11:01):
We're now up to the cup three, all right,
and you've got.
This is a lighter red wine.
It's something that's enjoyable.
Jay, I think, brought up athing of using a Pinot Noir.
Pinot Noir, there are very fewof them.
I'm more interested insomething like a Grenache, which
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is also a light, low,reasonably low alcohol wine.
It's really good, okay.
Nachum Segal (11:28):
You're pouring away, it seems, can't get time
to settle.
No problem, I'm happy Rafi wereyou ever at Garbayudin Seder or
not?
No, the Grenache this is aGrenache.
Solomon Simon Jacob (11:44):
This is the benching wine grenache the
benching wine this is made.
This is a benching wine.
It's made by um dannyfriedenberg.
Nachum Segal (11:51):
Wonderful fly through this satyr, simon, I'll
tell you record time.
Solomon Simon Jacob (11:54):
I must say we're already at benching this
is made by danny friedenberg,who's an incredible winemaker,
who who works for tepperberg, sothis is a te Again.
All of these wines areaccessible in the United States
or Israel, and I'm only doingIsraeli wines because we're here
.
Okay, l'chaim tovim ushalom.
Nachum Segal (12:13):
L'chaim, that was some seder, let me tell you.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:17):
Wait, we're not done.
Nachum Segal (12:18):
First time, the matzah's not weighing on me,
frankly.
Okay, and now the fourth cup.
This would be the Nierzer,actually the Hallel wine.
This would be what we'resharing with Elio and Avi, am I
right?
Yes, this would be the wine atCoach Elio's.
So we've got to be particular.
We're not giving him no grapejuice, simon, we're not doing
that.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:36):
This is a golden red wine For the number
one profit, simon, we're notgiving him grape juice.
Nachum Segal (12:42):
No, concord, call for that gentleman, he's getting
the real stuff.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:47):
Okay, nachum, okay, nachum.
Nachum Segal (12:50):
Simon leads the play along.
No, no.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:53):
So Jay.
The number one kosher winesommelier.
Yes, jay Buchsmann brought upthat he felt that he wanted to
finish the Seder with asweetness and a sweet taste in
his mouth.
So this is a sweet wine, allright, which is perfect for the
end, and it really goes with theAfikomen.
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It's excellent.
It will bring back the flavorof the Afikomen.
Okay, so this is made byIakovoria, it's called G and
it's for a Gwurtztraminer.
Okay, gwurtztraminer.
Nachum Segal (13:27):
Yes, gwurtztraminer, gwurtztraminer.
One of the first wine words Iever learned from Jay, about 35
years ago.
Solomon Simon Jacob (13:34):
Yes, so this is a late harvest skin
macerated wine, which means thatit's specifically very sweet,
but it's also not so sweet thatit tastes like you know.
It's got a really incredibleflavor.
It's an extremely well-madewine and it's made by Iacovoria.
Nachum Segal (13:55):
Did you pour that one already?
Solomon Simon Jacob (13:56):
No, I didn't.
Nachum Segal (13:56):
All right, it's time to pour the fourth cup.
We made it to the fourth cup,everybody.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:00):
I'm not being rushed or anything, it's
okay.
Well, it is radio after all.
Okay, I know.
Nachum Segal (14:04):
All right, see the crazy thing is there are a
Shlomo Katz and I'm not leavingtown without asking he's got to
get back on the air to me.
He can come on.
Hopefully he has the fouro'clock with us.
I hope Once I brought up SudaSmishia.
There's too much I've got totalk to him about.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:19):
Baruch atah Adonai Eloheinu Malcholam
HaTovah HaMeitiv.
Nachum Segal (14:22):
Amen, I think Rabbi Eis needs an escort home.
Could you call somebody please?
Rav Shlomo Katz (14:31):
So why Hatov HaMetiv on this wine?
Nachum Segal (14:35):
So why Hatov HaMetiv is the question.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:38):
I actually make Hatov HaMetiv on every wine
.
Okay, I make it on every wine.
Nachum Segal (14:43):
So here, knowing you were doing a series, you
figured you'd put it in somewine yes, I would Okay.
I think that's an acceptableword.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:49):
Now this is made by Iakovoria, but there's
a whole bunch of really good,nice wines.
Dalton makes a wine called Anna, which is a Solera method wine,
which means it's the barrelsare left out in the sun.
Castel makes an M, which is aMoscato Specifically.
I brought that up for you,nachum.
Nachum Segal (15:07):
That's my wine.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:09):
And Syrah makes a wine called or, which is
also a Gortz, so that's my wine, and Syrah makes a wine called
or, which is also a Gortz.
So that's the lineup.
Nachum Segal (15:15):
And I know where those four corks are going.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:17):
Yeah, they're going back in the
bottles.
No, Syrah has a cork collectionin this house.
Nachum Segal (15:21):
I do.
Rav Shlomo Katz (15:21):
I do A thousand corks.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:22):
I do, I do.
Rav Shlomo Katz (15:24):
In one of those fancy containers.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:25):
Don't suggest that to my wife, because
she's been trying to get me.
Nachum Segal (15:29):
Is there a yes?
Yes, it's Erev Pesach.
This is the time yes, hey,barry Jacob, this is the time to
get rid of that stuff and sayyou're doing it with Shea
Mitzvah to clean up the Pesach.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:37):
Put this on .
Nachum Segal (15:38):
Simon, thank you for everything.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:39):
No problem, what did you think of this?
Rav Shlomo Katz (15:42):
My favorite.
What Isn't that great yeah,isn't that crazy yeah of the
Bible?
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:46):
but that was all the rest of this very
big and serious machine.
Nachum Segal (15:52):
Trust me, there are plenty of modern synagogues
that take it on the custom.
You know why, rabbi.
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If there's an opportunity tohave four cups of wine, hey,
like we did then.
So that means, in allseriousness, shalash should this
time on Shav Shabbat, shabbat,shabbat Shabbat.
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Is there something about yourSeder that I would find
intriguing, and I'm sure I'dfind all of it.
But you got my point.
Like you know, thank God, Icome from a household where the
Seder is, you know, so there arealways many highlights.
Is there something about thecat's home where there's a part
of it that would just grab me?
Rav Shlomo Katz (17:06):
The most intriguing part is the one that
leads the Seder.
My father, seriously, yeah.
Nachum Segal (17:16):
My father's coming , so you're the host, but he's
the leader, your wife is thehost.
Rav Shlomo Katz (17:18):
My wife is the host.
I sit at the side of the tableand my father at the front.
My father leads the seder withthe nigunim.
I grew up with the nusach, Igrew up with, you know, all
those things that are reallybecoming my children's, my
children's gifts to the uncles.
It's so special, it's such aprivilege, yeah.
Nachum Segal (17:36):
So I'll tell you a short thing and I'll tell you
what I learned over the last fewyears.
As you get older, you learnmore and more and you realize
how little you know.
But I'm not referenced to you,in reference to me.
First of all, what did I bringfrom the United States for Seder
night?
First of all, what did I bringfrom the United States for Seder
night?
What did I bring?
What did I bring?
that was not for my son mydaughter-in-law my granddaughter
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and, frankly, my wife, becauseshe left so late this week that
we have to make sure to take herstuff in advance.
So what did I bring for myself?
I brought one thing my fatherof blessed memories, haggadah,
because different people in thefamily obviously, were given
different things to utilize Hisbecher and different things the
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ka'arah.
I forget whose house theka'arah is.
It actually might still be ours, but the Haggadah that he would
use every year is the one thatI'll be using, please God, at
this stage.
Oh, it's unbelievable.
And you talk about, thank God,having your father at your side
and alive and well.
I hold it and I'm at the headbecause my children have such
tremendous respect for me whichI don't take for granted and I'm
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at the head of the tableholding his Haggadah.
Oh, so special and it's justamazing.
And one of my sons I think Imay have said this to you off
the air, but one of my sons saidto me did you ever think the
first seder you'd ever be at atone of your children would be in
Yerushalayim?
Rav Shlomo Katz (19:03):
Is that cool?
It's so beautiful.
Nachum Segal (19:07):
So that's number one.
Number two I realized thatthere's a tremendous emphasis
anybody who's listening knowsthis on Torah study, the night
of the Seder.
And I get it right, magid is atremendous portion and even
families that don't generallyspend time during their meals
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speaking a lot about Torah areimmersed completely in the Torah
portion of the Haggadah.
But I realized, don't let theAvodah get lost the singing, the
spirit, the incredible I mean,I can only imagine, you know
what's going on with your familythe incredible Hislavus that
one feels toward the one abovethrough this experience, right,
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chayav, adam lir'ot, etatzmoki'iluhu, yatsam mitrayim, we
are obligated to feel that we'reexperiencing the exodus that
night.
If you could come up with theright balance of the Torah and
Avodah, of what feels, becausewhen my father conducted the
Seder, we have a special SederNusach, the Haggadah Nusach.
This is the Nusach of theHaggadah, so it feels like
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Daphne, it feels like it.
So, yeah, there's plenty ofTorah study and we do talk about
Hare, eni, kiven, shivim, shana, but that's done with a Nusach,
that's done in a Seder Avodah,right?
So that's another point Iwanted to make.
And finally, and your friend,rabbi Yoshua Fass would say to
me now, don't bait me because Idon't want to say something I
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don't want to say, but I'm goingto do it anyway.
Harav Shlomo Katz, here in yourshul, I can tell you that the
story that begins with theexodus from Egypt has only one
ending, and that is Vehe Veti.
That is V'heveti, that is, theJews of the Diaspora, the Jews
who spent hundreds of years inEgypt, eventually getting to
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Eretz Yisrael, getting the Torahalong the way, etc.
I would hope you would join meas we get closer and closer to
Yitzchag and remind everybodythat that is the ultimate goal.
As Nahum Siegel says very often, the future of the Jewish
people is in the state of Israel.
Rav Shlomo Katz (21:25):
You're baiting me.
This is not fair.
Nachum Segal (21:29):
Who are you going to go up against?
The New Yorkers, the LA people?
Who are you going to givemustard to?
Now?
I need to know.
Rav Shlomo Katz (21:34):
You know that.
I don't know if Rav Judahshared with you when you were
with him, he shared it here.
He was here at Mosei Shabbos ata beautiful program we had for
his new Agadah and he brought upthe fifth kos.
He speaks a lot about it, whichRav Goran was the one to really
point out.
He really tried to establish itand he would drink it, which,
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of course, is a.
How do you drink it With thechule we're all holding right
now by the fifth cup.
There's nothing else.
Everything, kula mahuvin,everyone's doing amazing things.
It's about the fifth cup morethan than ever the Hiveti.
So I give us a Baracha to betuned in to that Lushen, and I
can't agree with you morebecause my father doesn't say
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the Haggadah, he davens theHaggadah, it's all Nusach, rav
Shlomo's father.
He used to say he gave over toYiddishkeit with the Nusach that
he that his father used to sayHa'alach ma'anyom.
Nachum Segal (22:32):
The same way every single year.
Rav Shlomo Katz (22:35):
So I give us all.
What you said is like the pointof the whole thing.
It's the night that you couldgive over Yiddishkeit to your
children more than any othernight of the year.
Nachum Segal (22:46):
And I do believe, by the way, that if you do Seder
night correctly, it enhancesthe other Yom Tovim of the rest
of the year and the Shabbostable of the rest of the year.
The children are more receptiveto hearing more Torah and to be
enlightened by moreconversations about the parasha,
etc.
People don't realize howimportant Seder night is.
Rav Shlomo Katz (23:05):
It's a fulcrum of the entire.
You're right, they say it'scalled Leil Shimurim.
What it means, shimurim, isthat whatever happens Saturday
night, it gets Shimur, it getsShamur, it gets guarded and it's
basically placed throughout therest of the year, just like you
just said.
We bottle it up and we save itfor the rest of the year.
Nachum Segal (23:27):
Right.
The funny part is that I knowthat when people think of
investment, they think of money,and we did point out I think it
was Rav Judah who said itduring my conversation with him
we did point out that peoplespend more on Pesach than the
rest of the Om Tovim combined.
So let the investment for therest of the year in the area of
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Torah and Avodah be the same way.
Let Pesach be as intense asit's supposed to be.
And hopefully, as a nation,we'll realize and I mean that as
a nation, not just individuallyall the people making Aliyah,
establishing their families here, sending their kids to the army
, etc.
Etc.
But let's collectively, as anation, appreciate the fact that
this is where we belong Again,not just individually and not
just communities, but Am Yisraelbelongs right here With joy.
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Now that you're back on the airfor the last two minutes, I'm
being serious.
I hope there's somebody outthere who wants to help you
build a mitzvah.
Rav Shlomo Katz (24:24):
I'm serious, why not By've come a long, long
way.
There's so much programminghere.
I'm inviting everyone I think Ishould know this by heart
ShiratDavidcom or org I thinkit's com there's someone here
that's waiting for you topartner with you in the Avodah,
at the mikvah we have an amazingL'El Shabbat is, I don't,
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festival.
I don't even know what to callit.
Oh, you did say festivalearlier.
You're right, it's intense,it's real, and that's good, that
is the same.
Nachum Segal (24:57):
It's a dream.
It's a dream.
So you're not into my 25-minuteKabbalah Shabbos.
You're not into that, not inthe least, but you know what?
Rav Shlomo Katz (25:04):
Not in the least.
But you know what?
I'll tell you the truth.
It's also not about Dafkamaking it three hours Right,
because it's not three hourshere.
It is what it is.
It's just about Yala Kabbalah.
Let's receive Shabbos, for realKabbalah Shabbos.
Nachum Segal (25:20):
Let's receive it.
Yeah, it's funny.
I was in Yerushalayim yesterday, today meaning where I saw this
yesterday, today, meaning whereI saw this and one of the
programs for Thursday night toattract youth.
I saw the poster I don't knowif you've seen it is Kabbalat
Shabbat and I said to myselfthat's a good message, because
we always talk about Shabbos iscoming, etc.
But let's start being MikabelShabbat as early as possible and
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in the best way possible.
Rav Shlomo Katz (25:44):
That's why Rabbi Shlomo would wish you a
good Shabbos on a Wednesday.
Nachum Segal (25:46):
Right, yeah, that was the second half of the week.
He also wished me Gemara Tovand Chanukah because he felt
that the Hasidim, they did that.
They said Gemara Tov andChanukah.
Should we do the whole thingnow?
Should we go through every RavShlomo reference we have?
We could.
Should I tell you every storythat I have personal stories
with him?
Now that it hit me that younever met him, because you know
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you're speaking to somebody whohad the privilege and I'm not
joking around when I say thatwho had the privilege of.
I'll never forget he came onceto my brother's school, so
people walked from everywherebecause he was not in for the
omelette.
So you know, know how often youget an opportunity.
So it's now Chazor, hashatz ofShachar.
(26:33):
What is everybody waiting for?
Mimkomcha.
And there's a guy in the shulwho tries to out-Kalbach Kalbach
at his own.
Mimkomcha.
And I'm talking about the realMimkomcha, if you know what I
mean, the early one, and I'mtalking about the real Mim
Kompra, if you know what I mean,the early one, and I'll never
forget it.
By the way, that reminds me ofanother story I've shared with
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you, where Karl Bach says to methat he bought a toy guitar.
You remember now that I saythat he bought a toy guitar for
his niece and he was on theplane before takeoff just
strumming along this little toyguitar and an old couple walks
by and the grandfather says tothe grandma, look another one,
trying to be like calm off.
Isn't that great, it's acompliment.
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Not only is it a compliment,it's a story that can only
happen to him, isn't that fun?
God bless you, my brother, andthank you for everything.
I've had a lot of wonderfulexperiences in this type of
share and this has been just I'mso glad.
Rav Shlomo Katz (27:32):
First of many, first of many when I'm here
permanently.
Nachum Segal (27:36):
I should visit Efrat on a more regular basis,
shouldn't I?
First of many yeah do a lot oflive shows.
I did joke with you.
Is there hashkam in thisbuilding on Shabbos or not?
Rav Shlomo Katz (27:46):
Is there a hashkama?
There's nates every day, butShabbos I want there's nates
every morning.
So you won't allow a hashkamaminion on Shabbos.
I want everyone diving together.
Nachum Segal (27:55):
Oh, I really have to stop looking at you.
I joked with you that I'll bethe one to move in to make the
90-minute Hashkama Minyan, andyou and I will be at odds
forever after that.
Rav Shlomo Katz (28:08):
That's fine.
Anyway, there's a Shkama downthe block.
It's a nice Minyan, you see.
Nachum Segal (28:11):
You see, we had all the bases covered.
You have everything.
In Efrat, I move into thisbeautiful apartment that a
friend of ours has and has saidto us please use it for Pesach,
which is Central Bracha, mariv,five feet in front of the front
door, shacharis, downstairs inthe parking lot, and a mincha
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mariv, I just found out, alsofive feet in front of the door,
just much earlier than the 9 pm.
Mariv.
Isn't it amazing.
Israel has everything.
My brother wants to write acompendium of every minion in
the state of Israel, you knowwhat that would take.
You never see the Jewish linkwith what's going on in Bergen
County.
Right, this would be a lot moreright?
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You ever see a Davor Be'ita?
Yeah, it would be like that.
Anyway, I could do this withyou all day.
But Simon says we've got to getback to Jerusalem at some point
65 minionim Shuls Shuls.
Solomon Simon Jacob (29:03):
How many 65 In Efrat Shuls Shuls?
Nachum Segal (29:06):
How many, 65 shuls in Efrat is what we were told.
That's unbelievable.
Rav Shlomo Katz (29:11):
We were the 45th or 46th when we broke
ground and that was before Tamarthe other two mountains here
took up.
Nachum Segal (29:18):
Would you like to hear the Solomon Brothers to
wrap up JM&AM?
Always here, they are.
A big thank you to Shlomo Katz,all of our special guests and
the wonderful city of Efrat forhosting us on a Wednesday
pre-Pesach at JM in the AM.
Solomon Simon Jacob (29:40):
This is Simon Jacob, again your host of
today's episode of The KosherTerroir.
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Welcome to The Kosher Terroir.
I'm Simon Jacob, your host forthis episode from Jerusalem.
Before we get started, I askthat, wherever you are, please
take a moment and pray for thesafety of our soldiers and the
safe return of all of ourhostages.
Welcome to The Kosher Terroir.
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This episode was actually partof the JM in the AM episode
hosted by Nahum Siegel on NSNthis week.
It took place in Efrat at RavShlomo Katz's beautiful
synagogue, which celebrates itsthird anniversary, the Shabbat.
We all tasted wines that weremy suggestion for the four cups
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of this year's Passover Seder.
There was also very seriousdiscussion between Nachum and
Rav Shlomo regarding the ShviShel Pesach celebrations that
occur among Hasidic communities.
Pesach celebrations that occuramong Hasidic communities and
the custom of the fifth cup ofwine at the Seder for those
celebrating Hashem, bringingthem back home to Eretz Yisrael.
(01:13):
I know that this could havebeen heard earlier as part of
Nachum's morning show, but itwas so meaningful to me that I
had to publish it within podcast.
So without any furtherintroduction, welcome to the
party.
Nachum Segal (01:28):
All right, Simon Jacob says that there are some
recommendations he has for thisyear's Pesach Seder.
When it comes to deliciouskosher wine, Simon, 20 years ago
there were only a certainnumber of kosher, and especially
Israeli wines.
You know, what's going on todayin the wine market.
You know what's happening nowwith Israeli wines.
Solomon Simon Jacob (01:45):
There are over 300 wineries in.
Israel Over 300 wineries.
Nachum Segal (01:50):
What has happened to the people that don't drink?
All of a sudden, they're intowines from around the world, and
especially Israel.
Solomon Simon Jacob (01:55):
But, that said, I want some much more
important issue.
The more important issue isthat we're coming up on a
Shabbat and Shabbat always has,after Shacharit, a Kiddush club.
Nachum Segal (02:08):
Whoa Okay, let's check this out.
Solomon Simon Jacob (02:13):
I don't know if they have a Kiddush club
here, and one of the problemsis the real people who come to
the Kiddush club always needtheir whiskey, and the whiskey
is Hametz.
It's already put away, soeverything's put away.
And to say that you, what aconundrum it is.
It's a big problem.
It's a big problem.
So, just so that you shouldknow the people who drink
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whiskey when they started tomake whiskey and also the other
spirits, their goal was tocreate something like brandy.
That was the goal, and thereason why it was a goal was
because grapes weren't availableall over and brandy was only in
certain areas, and it'sactually also only in certain
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seasons to be able to get greatproducts okay, where you can
basically distill things anytime of the year that you want
to.
So the issue was how do you getsomething that's like brandy?
Here we are on Pesach, you canactually drink brandy.
Now, in the past, there werevery few and really not very
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good brandies, especially herein Arez, I mean, there was 777,
which you could use to actuallycook food on.
I mean, people used to pour itinto a container and light it,
and that was really basicallythe brandies that were available
we are now living at a timewhere not only do we have wine,
we have some incredible brandies, and they're not only brandies
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that are coming in from Francethat are absolutely cachere, but
we also have brandies that comefrom the Golan.
There's one of the bestbrandies I've ever tasted in my
life is a brandy called Julius,and you can get it easily in
Israel.
It's a little pricey, but it'sspectacular, and I strongly
recommend that on Shabbat forthe Kiddush Club, it goes great
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with everything.
Nachum Segal (04:15):
Thank goodness, you solved it Okay.
Solomon Simon Jacob (04:16):
So you're solved.
You're solved as far as theKiddush Club is concerned.
Thank you, okay, so that'snumber one on the hit parade.
I just want to make sure we getto the Shabbat Kiddush first.
Nachum Segal (04:25):
By the way, simon's solution is good 20
years from now also, yes,because that's the next time
that Shabbat will be Erephesah.
Solomon Simon Jacob (04:33):
It's good all the time, so let's put this
in the archives right.
Nachum Segal (04:36):
Yes 20 years from now, they could dig it out of
their computer file and find out.
What did the Jews of the 2025era do when they were faced with
this problem?
And they'll have an answerMeruch Baruch Hashem, 100%.
Look at this.
Solomon Simon Jacob (04:47):
We're going down in history 100% Great, I'm
ready for them to use it in 20years, okay.
So let's talk about the fourcups.
Okay, the four cups for theseders, for the seder, or seders
if you're in outside area ofthe world you're in If you're
outside.
So most of the mavens, withregard to the four cups, the
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mavens of wine create a.
You know they have a game planand typically they have a
precise game plan as to whatthey want to do, especially in
today's world, with the winesthat are out today and what have
you.
So they take differentapproaches and last year I
created a podcast where I askedpeople their game plans for
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Pesach and there were somereally interesting game plans.
In fact, one that, especiallyfor people in Hul only for
people in Hul included doingonly Israeli wines for the first
Seder and then doing wines fromHul because it's actually only
applicable in Chutz Laretz.
So that was one and that's asort of thing.
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And some people pick a winethat they love and they drink it
for all four cups.
Some people, some enthusiasts,pick bottles based on specific
things that are going on in theSeder and, specifically, people
who are there.
All right, and, as we talkedbefore, because there's so many
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wines, there's a desire to havea playlist.
The same way where you had allof the, you had a couple of
music songs on your walkman, asI remember, and now you've got
thousands of uh songs and youneed a playlist, you need
something to be able to uh, goto and to modify.
Okay, first of all, I just wantto mention that, if their kids
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are in in attendance and if youwant to stay absolutely awake
for everything, there's alwaysgrape juice, and you know my
family loves Kedem and you canactually get Kedem here, which
is actually from New York grapes, which is kind of crazy.
And then there's tea Roche, uh,which some of the some of my
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family likes, but most of themdon't, but I kind of like it, um
, and, and that's that's theoptions for grape juice, but
grape juice is always, always anoption.
Kabbalistically, there's adefinite preference for red
wines.
Okay, so you've got to reallydrink a red wine for the Seder,
for the, for the um.
Nachum Segal (07:24):
Some will drink white and pour a little red in
it.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:26):
Yes, some people do that, or some people
start out with a rosé, so in therecommendations I'm going to
make it a rosé for the firstwine, and I think that there's a
reason for that.
Nachum Segal (07:38):
You have a very anxious crowd ready to taste
some wines.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:40):
Here we go.
Here we go, I'm sorry, come on.
Nachum Segal (07:45):
I'll be quiet.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:46):
People travel far and wide to be here
for the big wine tasting.
Nachum Segal (07:47):
Okay, so I happen to have four glasses here, so
this is what you'll use for thefirst cup.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:52):
The first cup is La Forette, the White
Forest, blanche Blanche.
Nachum Segal (07:57):
La Forette.
Solomon Simon Jacob (07:58):
Blanche, it's the White Forest, and the
White Forest happens to be theBeit HaMikdash, okay, and it
comes from a winery that's inYatir, near Yatir.
It's in the Yatir forest, andactually that area was planted.
The grapes were planted byDavid HaMelech in order for the
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wine that eventually came fromthere to be used in the Beit
HaMikdash, so that's where thatcame from you can pour some for
yourself.
Nachum Segal (08:31):
everyone's about to make a l'chaim.
You have to at least firststart that.
Solomon Simon Jacob (08:33):
Okay, okay, okay, okay okay.
Nachum Segal (08:37):
The paparazzi's taking photos of you.
Okay, here we go.
Solomon Simon Jacob (08:40):
So this is the rosé from there.
It's actually le furet blancheand it's wonderful.
It's in 2024.
And L'chaim Baruch atah, adonaiElohim Baruch atah.
Nachum Segal (08:52):
Amen, L'chaim, L'chaim everybody.
Solomon Simon Jacob (08:56):
Okay.
Nachum Segal (08:57):
I'm going to drink it.
This reminds me of SiddusMashiach Wine after wine, after
wine.
Okay, oh, they don't do that,shviesa Hezal, do they?
Of course not.
It's not an Alfred ShviesaHezal diaspora thing.
Shviesa Hezal, shabbosafternoon, they're going to do
it.
I love it.
Solomon Simon Jacob (09:11):
So this is a light wine.
It's fun, which I really thinkthe opening wine should be.
It's low alcohol and it'sperfect.
And actually using a rosé atyour Seder probably is going to
generate questions.
So it's the first question.
Okay, let's get to the second.
Nachum Segal (09:30):
What's this one?
Solomon Simon Jacob (09:30):
called.
The second is Flam White Label,nice.
It happens to be a rich, veryrobust wine.
I'll pour less.
Nachum Segal (09:46):
I don't.
Yeah, you've got to slow thisdown, Simon Oh'll pour less.
I don't yeah you've got to slowthis down.
Simon, oh my gosh, we've gotpeople driving up to this,
including you, by the way, Iknow.
Solomon Simon Jacob (09:53):
Okay, so it's a white label by Flop.
This is a robust wine, this iswhat's going to go into the meal
and it really needs to berobust and it can carry forward
through the meal.
Nachum Segal (10:05):
It's a maggid wine .
It needs time to aerate, asthey say.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:09):
Yes, it's a great wine.
Some other wines that you mightchoose are like the Grad Vid by
Castel, the Wittken Cab Francor Churashim, or the Shiloh
Secret Reserve or Mosaic itsounds like you're getting
emotional.
Okay, I am Does the wine makeyou emotional.
It makes me incrediblyemotional, so, l'chaim, we'll
try this one.
This is the cup two.
Nachum Segal (10:29):
I've got to get back to this topic with the Rav,
shlomo Katz, for a minute.
Do you think your brewery isdoing a Suddus Moshiach on the
seventh day of Pesach Out ofMitzvah?
To clear that up, rafi, youalso weigh in on this.
We grew up together, oh my In.
Fairlawn.
Holy cow, we thought we wereinsiders from Sloan.
(10:50):
He really knows.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:52):
They grew up together In Fairlawn New.
Nachum Segal (10:53):
Jersey.
It sounds like they grew uptogether in Fairlawn.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:55):
Yep.
Nachum Segal (10:56):
All right, there you go.
Solomon Simon Jacob (10:57):
Next one.
Nachum Segal (10:59):
My Mahlutin's from Fairlawn.
Okay, I'm very curious aboutthis guy.
Solomon Simon Jacob (11:01):
We're now up to the cup three, all right,
and you've got.
This is a lighter red wine.
It's something that's enjoyable.
Jay, I think, brought up athing of using a Pinot Noir.
Pinot Noir, there are very fewof them.
I'm more interested insomething like a Grenache, which
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is also a light, low,reasonably low alcohol wine.
It's really good, okay.
Nachum Segal (11:28):
You're pouring away, it seems, can't get time
to settle.
No problem, I'm happy Rafi wereyou ever at Garbayudin Seder or
not?
No, the Grenache this is aGrenache.
Solomon Simon Jacob (11:44):
This is the benching wine grenache the
benching wine this is made.
This is a benching wine.
It's made by um dannyfriedenberg.
Nachum Segal (11:51):
Wonderful fly through this satyr, simon, I'll
tell you record time.
Solomon Simon Jacob (11:54):
I must say we're already at benching this
is made by danny friedenberg,who's an incredible winemaker,
who who works for tepperberg, sothis is a te Again.
All of these wines areaccessible in the United States
or Israel, and I'm only doingIsraeli wines because we're here
.
Okay, l'chaim tovim ushalom.
Nachum Segal (12:13):
L'chaim, that was some seder, let me tell you.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:17):
Wait, we're not done.
Nachum Segal (12:18):
First time, the matzah's not weighing on me,
frankly.
Okay, and now the fourth cup.
This would be the Nierzer,actually the Hallel wine.
This would be what we'resharing with Elio and Avi, am I
right?
Yes, this would be the wine atCoach Elio's.
So we've got to be particular.
We're not giving him no grapejuice, simon, we're not doing
that.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:36):
This is a golden red wine For the number
one profit, simon, we're notgiving him grape juice.
Nachum Segal (12:42):
No, concord, call for that gentleman, he's getting
the real stuff.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:47):
Okay, nachum, okay, nachum.
Nachum Segal (12:50):
Simon leads the play along.
No, no.
Solomon Simon Jacob (12:53):
So Jay.
The number one kosher winesommelier.
Yes, jay Buchsmann brought upthat he felt that he wanted to
finish the Seder with asweetness and a sweet taste in
his mouth.
So this is a sweet wine, allright, which is perfect for the
end, and it really goes with theAfikomen.
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It's excellent.
It will bring back the flavorof the Afikomen.
Okay, so this is made byIakovoria, it's called G and
it's for a Gwurtztraminer.
Okay, gwurtztraminer.
Nachum Segal (13:27):
Yes, gwurtztraminer, gwurtztraminer.
One of the first wine words Iever learned from Jay, about 35
years ago.
Solomon Simon Jacob (13:34):
Yes, so this is a late harvest skin
macerated wine, which means thatit's specifically very sweet,
but it's also not so sweet thatit tastes like you know.
It's got a really incredibleflavor.
It's an extremely well-madewine and it's made by Iacovoria.
Nachum Segal (13:55):
Did you pour that one already?
Solomon Simon Jacob (13:56):
No, I didn't.
Nachum Segal (13:56):
All right, it's time to pour the fourth cup.
We made it to the fourth cup,everybody.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:00):
I'm not being rushed or anything, it's
okay.
Well, it is radio after all.
Okay, I know.
Nachum Segal (14:04):
All right, see the crazy thing is there are a
Shlomo Katz and I'm not leavingtown without asking he's got to
get back on the air to me.
He can come on.
Hopefully he has the fouro'clock with us.
I hope Once I brought up SudaSmishia.
There's too much I've got totalk to him about.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:19):
Baruch atah Adonai Eloheinu Malcholam
HaTovah HaMeitiv.
Nachum Segal (14:22):
Amen, I think Rabbi Eis needs an escort home.
Could you call somebody please?
Rav Shlomo Katz (14:31):
So why Hatov HaMetiv on this wine?
Nachum Segal (14:35):
So why Hatov HaMetiv is the question.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:38):
I actually make Hatov HaMetiv on every wine
.
Okay, I make it on every wine.
Nachum Segal (14:43):
So here, knowing you were doing a series, you
figured you'd put it in somewine yes, I would Okay.
I think that's an acceptableword.
Solomon Simon Jacob (14:49):
Now this is made by Iakovoria, but there's
a whole bunch of really good,nice wines.
Dalton makes a wine called Anna, which is a Solera method wine,
which means it's the barrelsare left out in the sun.
Castel makes an M, which is aMoscato Specifically.
I brought that up for you,nachum.
Nachum Segal (15:07):
That's my wine.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:09):
And Syrah makes a wine called or, which is
also a Gortz, so that's my wine, and Syrah makes a wine called
or, which is also a Gortz.
So that's the lineup.
Nachum Segal (15:15):
And I know where those four corks are going.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:17):
Yeah, they're going back in the
bottles.
No, Syrah has a cork collectionin this house.
Nachum Segal (15:21):
I do.
Rav Shlomo Katz (15:21):
I do A thousand corks.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:22):
I do, I do.
Rav Shlomo Katz (15:24):
In one of those fancy containers.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:25):
Don't suggest that to my wife, because
she's been trying to get me.
Nachum Segal (15:29):
Is there a yes?
Yes, it's Erev Pesach.
This is the time yes, hey,barry Jacob, this is the time to
get rid of that stuff and sayyou're doing it with Shea
Mitzvah to clean up the Pesach.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:37):
Put this on .
Nachum Segal (15:38):
Simon, thank you for everything.
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:39):
No problem, what did you think of this?
Rav Shlomo Katz (15:42):
My favorite.
What Isn't that great yeah,isn't that crazy yeah of the
Bible?
Solomon Simon Jacob (15:46):
but that was all the rest of this very
big and serious machine.
Nachum Segal (15:52):
Trust me, there are plenty of modern synagogues
that take it on the custom.
You know why, rabbi.
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If there's an opportunity tohave four cups of wine, hey,
like we did then.
So that means, in allseriousness, shalash should this
time on Shav Shabbat, shabbat,shabbat Shabbat.
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Is there something about yourSeder that I would find
intriguing, and I'm sure I'dfind all of it.
But you got my point.
Like you know, thank God, Icome from a household where the
Seder is, you know, so there arealways many highlights.
Is there something about thecat's home where there's a part
of it that would just grab me?
Rav Shlomo Katz (17:06):
The most intriguing part is the one that
leads the Seder.
My father, seriously, yeah.
Nachum Segal (17:16):
My father's coming , so you're the host, but he's
the leader, your wife is thehost.
Rav Shlomo Katz (17:18):
My wife is the host.
I sit at the side of the tableand my father at the front.
My father leads the seder withthe nigunim.
I grew up with the nusach, Igrew up with, you know, all
those things that are reallybecoming my children's, my
children's gifts to the uncles.
It's so special, it's such aprivilege, yeah.
Nachum Segal (17:36):
So I'll tell you a short thing and I'll tell you
what I learned over the last fewyears.
As you get older, you learnmore and more and you realize
how little you know.
But I'm not referenced to you,in reference to me.
First of all, what did I bringfrom the United States for Seder
night?
First of all, what did I bringfrom the United States for Seder
night?
What did I bring?
What did I bring?
that was not for my son mydaughter-in-law my granddaughter
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and, frankly, my wife, becauseshe left so late this week that
we have to make sure to take herstuff in advance.
So what did I bring for myself?
I brought one thing my fatherof blessed memories, haggadah,
because different people in thefamily obviously, were given
different things to utilize Hisbecher and different things the
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ka'arah.
I forget whose house theka'arah is.
It actually might still be ours, but the Haggadah that he would
use every year is the one thatI'll be using, please God, at
this stage.
Oh, it's unbelievable.
And you talk about, thank God,having your father at your side
and alive and well.
I hold it and I'm at the headbecause my children have such
tremendous respect for me whichI don't take for granted and I'm
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at the head of the tableholding his Haggadah.
Oh, so special and it's justamazing.
And one of my sons I think Imay have said this to you off
the air, but one of my sons saidto me did you ever think the
first seder you'd ever be at atone of your children would be in
Yerushalayim?
Rav Shlomo Katz (19:03):
Is that cool?
It's so beautiful.
Nachum Segal (19:07):
So that's number one.
Number two I realized thatthere's a tremendous emphasis
anybody who's listening knowsthis on Torah study, the night
of the Seder.
And I get it right, magid is atremendous portion and even
families that don't generallyspend time during their meals
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speaking a lot about Torah areimmersed completely in the Torah
portion of the Haggadah.
But I realized, don't let theAvodah get lost the singing, the
spirit, the incredible I mean,I can only imagine, you know
what's going on with your familythe incredible Hislavus that
one feels toward the one abovethrough this experience, right,
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chayav, adam lir'ot, etatzmoki'iluhu, yatsam mitrayim, we
are obligated to feel that we'reexperiencing the exodus that
night.
If you could come up with theright balance of the Torah and
Avodah, of what feels, becausewhen my father conducted the
Seder, we have a special SederNusach, the Haggadah Nusach.
This is the Nusach of theHaggadah, so it feels like
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Daphne, it feels like it.
So, yeah, there's plenty ofTorah study and we do talk about
Hare, eni, kiven, shivim, shana, but that's done with a Nusach,
that's done in a Seder Avodah,right?
So that's another point Iwanted to make.
And finally, and your friend,rabbi Yoshua Fass would say to
me now, don't bait me because Idon't want to say something I
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don't want to say, but I'm goingto do it anyway.
Harav Shlomo Katz, here in yourshul, I can tell you that the
story that begins with theexodus from Egypt has only one
ending, and that is Vehe Veti.
That is V'heveti, that is, theJews of the Diaspora, the Jews
who spent hundreds of years inEgypt, eventually getting to
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Eretz Yisrael, getting the Torahalong the way, etc.
I would hope you would join meas we get closer and closer to
Yitzchag and remind everybodythat that is the ultimate goal.
As Nahum Siegel says very often, the future of the Jewish
people is in the state of Israel.
Rav Shlomo Katz (21:25):
You're baiting me.
This is not fair.
Nachum Segal (21:29):
Who are you going to go up against?
The New Yorkers, the LA people?
Who are you going to givemustard to?
Now?
I need to know.
Rav Shlomo Katz (21:34):
You know that.
I don't know if Rav Judahshared with you when you were
with him, he shared it here.
He was here at Mosei Shabbos ata beautiful program we had for
his new Agadah and he brought upthe fifth kos.
He speaks a lot about it, whichRav Goran was the one to really
point out.
He really tried to establish itand he would drink it, which,
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of course, is a.
How do you drink it With thechule we're all holding right
now by the fifth cup.
There's nothing else.
Everything, kula mahuvin,everyone's doing amazing things.
It's about the fifth cup morethan than ever the Hiveti.
So I give us a Baracha to betuned in to that Lushen, and I
can't agree with you morebecause my father doesn't say
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the Haggadah, he davens theHaggadah, it's all Nusach, rav
Shlomo's father.
He used to say he gave over toYiddishkeit with the Nusach that
he that his father used to sayHa'alach ma'anyom.
Nachum Segal (22:32):
The same way every single year.
Rav Shlomo Katz (22:35):
So I give us all.
What you said is like the pointof the whole thing.
It's the night that you couldgive over Yiddishkeit to your
children more than any othernight of the year.
Nachum Segal (22:46):
And I do believe, by the way, that if you do Seder
night correctly, it enhancesthe other Yom Tovim of the rest
of the year and the Shabbostable of the rest of the year.
The children are more receptiveto hearing more Torah and to be
enlightened by moreconversations about the parasha,
etc.
People don't realize howimportant Seder night is.
Rav Shlomo Katz (23:05):
It's a fulcrum of the entire.
You're right, they say it'scalled Leil Shimurim.
What it means, shimurim, isthat whatever happens Saturday
night, it gets Shimur, it getsShamur, it gets guarded and it's
basically placed throughout therest of the year, just like you
just said.
We bottle it up and we save itfor the rest of the year.
Nachum Segal (23:27):
Right.
The funny part is that I knowthat when people think of
investment, they think of money,and we did point out I think it
was Rav Judah who said itduring my conversation with him
we did point out that peoplespend more on Pesach than the
rest of the Om Tovim combined.
So let the investment for therest of the year in the area of
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Torah and Avodah be the same way.
Let Pesach be as intense asit's supposed to be.
And hopefully, as a nation,we'll realize and I mean that as
a nation, not just individuallyall the people making Aliyah,
establishing their families here, sending their kids to the army
, etc.
Etc.
But let's collectively, as anation, appreciate the fact that
this is where we belong Again,not just individually and not
just communities, but Am Yisraelbelongs right here With joy.
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Now that you're back on the airfor the last two minutes, I'm
being serious.
I hope there's somebody outthere who wants to help you
build a mitzvah.
Rav Shlomo Katz (24:24):
I'm serious, why not By've come a long, long
way.
There's so much programminghere.
I'm inviting everyone I think Ishould know this by heart
ShiratDavidcom or org I thinkit's com there's someone here
that's waiting for you topartner with you in the Avodah,
at the mikvah we have an amazingL'El Shabbat is, I don't,
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festival.
I don't even know what to callit.
Oh, you did say festivalearlier.
You're right, it's intense,it's real, and that's good, that
is the same.
Nachum Segal (24:57):
It's a dream.
It's a dream.
So you're not into my 25-minuteKabbalah Shabbos.
You're not into that, not inthe least, but you know what?
Rav Shlomo Katz (25:04):
Not in the least.
But you know what?
I'll tell you the truth.
It's also not about Dafkamaking it three hours Right,
because it's not three hourshere.
It is what it is.
It's just about Yala Kabbalah.
Let's receive Shabbos, for realKabbalah Shabbos.
Nachum Segal (25:20):
Let's receive it.
Yeah, it's funny.
I was in Yerushalayim yesterday, today meaning where I saw this
yesterday, today, meaning whereI saw this and one of the
programs for Thursday night toattract youth.
I saw the poster I don't knowif you've seen it is Kabbalat
Shabbat and I said to myselfthat's a good message, because
we always talk about Shabbos iscoming, etc.
But let's start being MikabelShabbat as early as possible and
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in the best way possible.
Rav Shlomo Katz (25:44):
That's why Rabbi Shlomo would wish you a
good Shabbos on a Wednesday.
Nachum Segal (25:46):
Right, yeah, that was the second half of the week.
He also wished me Gemara Tovand Chanukah because he felt
that the Hasidim, they did that.
They said Gemara Tov andChanukah.
Should we do the whole thingnow?
Should we go through every RavShlomo reference we have?
We could.
Should I tell you every storythat I have personal stories
with him?
Now that it hit me that younever met him, because you know
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you're speaking to somebody whohad the privilege and I'm not
joking around when I say thatwho had the privilege of.
I'll never forget he came onceto my brother's school, so
people walked from everywherebecause he was not in for the
omelette.
So you know, know how often youget an opportunity.
So it's now Chazor, hashatz ofShachar.
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What is everybody waiting for?
Mimkomcha.
And there's a guy in the shulwho tries to out-Kalbach Kalbach
at his own.
Mimkomcha.
And I'm talking about the realMimkomcha, if you know what I
mean, the early one, and I'mtalking about the real Mim
Kompra, if you know what I mean,the early one, and I'll never
forget it.
By the way, that reminds me ofanother story I've shared with
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you, where Karl Bach says to methat he bought a toy guitar.
You remember now that I saythat he bought a toy guitar for
his niece and he was on theplane before takeoff just
strumming along this little toyguitar and an old couple walks
by and the grandfather says tothe grandma, look another one,
trying to be like calm off.
Isn't that great, it's acompliment.
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Not only is it a compliment,it's a story that can only
happen to him, isn't that fun?
God bless you, my brother, andthank you for everything.
I've had a lot of wonderfulexperiences in this type of
share and this has been just I'mso glad.
Rav Shlomo Katz (27:32):
First of many, first of many when I'm here
permanently.
Nachum Segal (27:36):
I should visit Efrat on a more regular basis,
shouldn't I?
First of many yeah do a lot oflive shows.
I did joke with you.
Is there hashkam in thisbuilding on Shabbos or not?
Rav Shlomo Katz (27:46):
Is there a hashkama?
There's nates every day, butShabbos I want there's nates
every morning.
So you won't allow a hashkamaminion on Shabbos.
I want everyone diving together.
Nachum Segal (27:55):
Oh, I really have to stop looking at you.
I joked with you that I'll bethe one to move in to make the
90-minute Hashkama Minyan, andyou and I will be at odds
forever after that.
Rav Shlomo Katz (28:08):
That's fine.
Anyway, there's a Shkama downthe block.
It's a nice Minyan, you see.
Nachum Segal (28:11):
You see, we had all the bases covered.
You have everything.
In Efrat, I move into thisbeautiful apartment that a
friend of ours has and has saidto us please use it for Pesach,
which is Central Bracha, mariv,five feet in front of the front
door, shacharis, downstairs inthe parking lot, and a mincha
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mariv, I just found out, alsofive feet in front of the door,
just much earlier than the 9 pm.
Mariv.
Isn't it amazing.
Israel has everything.
My brother wants to write acompendium of every minion in
the state of Israel, you knowwhat that would take.
You never see the Jewish linkwith what's going on in Bergen
County.
Right, this would be a lot moreright?
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You ever see a Davor Be'ita?
Yeah, it would be like that.
Anyway, I could do this withyou all day.
But Simon says we've got to getback to Jerusalem at some point
65 minionim Shuls Shuls.
Solomon Simon Jacob (29:03):
How many 65 In Efrat Shuls Shuls?
Nachum Segal (29:06):
How many, 65 shuls in Efrat is what we were told.
That's unbelievable.
Rav Shlomo Katz (29:11):
We were the 45th or 46th when we broke
ground and that was before Tamarthe other two mountains here
took up.
Nachum Segal (29:18):
Would you like to hear the Solomon Brothers to
wrap up JM&AM?
Always here, they are.
A big thank you to Shlomo Katz,all of our special guests and
the wonderful city of Efrat forhosting us on a Wednesday
pre-Pesach at JM in the AM.
Solomon Simon Jacob (29:40):
This is Simon Jacob, again your host of
today's episode of The KosherTerroir.
I have a personal request nomatter where you are or where
you live, please take a momentto pray for our soldiers' safety
and the safe and rapid returnof our hostages.
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