Have you ever questioned the logic behind some medical decisions, or found yourself wondering about the potential harm of certain vaccine components? Well, I've had the pleasure of sitting down with Dr. Heather Gessling, a board-certified family medicine doctor and COO of the Wellness Company. We delve headfirst into these topics and more, sharing our thoughts on the controversial issue of medical freedom, informed consent, and the influence of the pharmaceutical industry.
The conversation gets even juicier when we touch on the role of diet in reversing chronic disease and the potential harm linked to vaccine adjuvants. Dr. Gessling opens up about her personal experiences with her family's journey through the pandemic, asserting the importance of personal advocacy in healthcare. We also discuss the intriguing effects of natokinase and dandelion root in mitigating the impact of spike proteins and preventing clots.
But it doesn’t stop there. Our discussion expands to cover gender-affirming care, the controversy surrounding puberty blockers for children, and off-label medication use. We also explore the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on the medical community and the practical steps taken by Dr. Gessling to care for her patients during this global crisis. Tune in to our enlightening chat, it's packed with insights that will help you better understand and navigate the intricate dynamics of our healthcare system.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Has modern medicine gone wrong?
Today I interviewed Dr HeatherGuessling of the Wellness
Company to discuss medicalfreedom, informed consent,
vaccines and the pharmaceuticalindustry overreach into private
medical care.
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I have this interview and allthis stuff is going on with the
Supreme Court that I'd like tobe covering as well, but this
one is too good to pass up.
So today I'm joined by DrHeather Gessling.
She is a board certified familymedicine doctor and she was the
chief of staff at her hospitalin Missouri for six years until
she was terminated for notpushing or administering the
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vaccine.
She started her own integratedmedical clinic in Missouri that
has been extremely successful,where she combines all sorts of
different therapies.
She treated and saved manylives of people severely
affected by COVID usinghydrochloroquine, ivermectin and
a slew of other therapies inher clinic And all those other
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evil things that we heard aboutduring the pandemic.
She is highly regarded as oneof the top integrated medical
doctors in the country and I amblessed to have her on my show.
This entire episode iscommercial, free, brought to you
by the wellness company Medicalfreedom, informed consent, non
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agenda driven and non biashealth care from the best
doctors in the country whorefuse to be pushed around by
big pharma.
Keep you and your familyhealthy and well and experience
what medical care should be.
Let's head over to the last gayinterview studio and chit chat
with Dr Heather Gessling.
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Alright, folks, i'm here backin the interview room with Dr
Heather Gessling.
She's the COO of the wellnesscompany.
She's also a board certifieddoctor and family medicine and
reigns from Columbia, missouri.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yes, sir, Right in the middle of the country, in
the middle of the state.
So total middle America.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So I see here that you have three children, are
they?
you have three girls.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I have a 18 year old son who just graduated high
school.
He's an amazing person.
He he's doing seminary training.
He's also the youth pastor atour church And he'll be sticking
around, which I'm very thankfulfor.
And then I have a 10 year old adaughter and a seven year old
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daughter.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And we'll get back to this.
but just to you know, cut rightthrough it, are you're too
younger?
and your older son?
Did you do any vaccines on themwhen they were born as children
?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, i did.
And my youngest one I wasreally, it was the.
It was a time period where Iwas starting to question things
And I remember when my youngestone was born, i thought I know
that my daughter has no risk forhepatitis B.
Why in the world would I allowthem to give her a vaccine, with
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her being one day old?
And I went through that process.
I didn't question it with my 18year old or my 10 year old.
I didn't question it, but Idefinitely started questioning
when my youngest was born.
She's seven now And I didn'thave the guts at the time to ask
them to not give her thatvaccine.
I just I started thinking about, you know, all the other things
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like what are the nurses goingto think about me?
What are the physicians, my, mypeers, going to think about me?
And I feel ashamed.
I feel ashamed that I didn'tstand up for my little perfect
newborn daughter.
So she got that vaccine Andthen and then, really, I just
allowed her to get all of theothers.
And I remember walking into,walking home, walking into my
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house one day after working, andmy husband was like, well, took
Isabelle to get her herkindergarten shots today.
She had her four year old childAnd I remember because I was
going through the process ofquestioning my heart sunk.
I just felt nauseated.
I had to go in my bedroom andkind of just sit down on the bed
and think, oh, i wish I hadknown.
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I probably would have told himnot to take her, i probably
would have said let's wait.
But I had forgot that she hadthat appointment And my husband
was a stay at home dad at thetime, and so since that time I
have not given any of mychildren any other shots.
My son had vaccines up until Ithink he was 11.
And then he was supposed to goback for like the Gardasil and
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all of that, and I just nevertook him back.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's so interesting to me when the child
conversation, because and it'sone thing that I really want to
talk to you about is where doesmedical freedom start and
medical responsibility stop?
Right, because there's.
you know, i'm in California andit's in these old, rich, hippie
communities like Walnut Creek,or, you know, even in San
Francisco or Santa Barbara,people have decided to not
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vaccinate, which is which isthey're right 100%.
On the flip side of that, we'reseeing cases of stuff that we
never saw before that are comingback into the community and
spreading like wildfire.
But the question is is is therea medic?
do we have a personal medicalresponsibility to take the bare
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minimum that we need to ensurepublic health, or is there a
different option to take?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That.
So there is.
So there is so many dynamics tothat question, and so the what
I would say is it's possible toto talk about responsibility for
public health, but we have tofirst demand that the FDA, the
CDC and the pharmaceuticalcompanies provide us with proof
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that the vaccines are safe,because at this time we actually
don't have safety data on thesevaccines.
I know that patients and andcitizens may think that that it
exists, but it actually does notexist.
Every single vaccine study thathas been done on any of the CDC
vaccines the vaccines that arerecommended on the CDC's
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childhood schedule, every singleone of them, have not been
tested against a true salineplacebo.
What they've been testedagainst is either other vaccines
or a proprietary formula.
There may be one study that hasbeen found.
That was a study with Gardasil,where they tested against true
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saline with regard to acuteadverse injection site reaction,
not a long term study to see ifthere were any autoimmune
conditions, neurologicconditions, allergic conditions
such as asthma and eczema, andand so none of the studies have
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have been done to prove that thevaccines are safe.
So we may have efficacy andthere may be, you know, a
benefit to vaccines if they werecompletely certifiably safe,
but we do not have that at thispoint in time.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that medical
freedom comes first and then wecan make informed decisions once
we're provided with the correctinformation.
So it's better to and again, Iknow you can't probably dispense
medical advice here, but itsounds like the safer option at
this point, without the properdata, would be to air on the
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side of caution.
I mean, for example, you know,when I came out of the womb, my
vaccination schedule I think Igot there was only seven
required.
And now my sister just had ababy two weeks old And I think
there's like by the time he's inkindergarten, it's like 23
different shots.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I know it's.
It's really.
It's really astounding how manythat is on the schedule, how
many are given at one time, andI remember listening to a it was
it was the World HealthOrganization.
I do believe there was a bigconference that occurred in 2021
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about vaccine safety And one ofthe one of the physicians a
national, internationalphysician got up and said There
is a problem.
We have not conducted anysafety studies to prove that it
is okay to give all of these atthe same time.
When you give individualamounts of the adjuvants and say
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that there's, you know, safe,and then you don't take into
account that there's all of fiveor six others that are being
given at the same time and andand have studies to show that
that is safe.
It's a huge problem.
We have been sort of blind towhat has happened over the last
20 or 30 years, since the 1986act, where Congress really
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removed the liability from thepharmaceutical companies And
Congress accepted theresponsibility of monitoring
vaccine safety, and theycompletely have short that.
There was provisions that wereput into the 1986 act that
required Congress to do periodicreview.
When I'm not talking about justpost marketing safety data, i'm
talking about congressionalreview.
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This is not happening, and sosince that time where Congress
allowed for the pharmaceuticalcompanies to no longer have
liability for these vaccinesadverse effects of the vaccines
there has been an extraordinaryamount of vaccines that have
been added, and the thing aboutadding a vaccine to the
childhood schedule is that itthen is allowed to be given to
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adults and it doesn't require it.
Also is liability free.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Wow, yeah, it's interesting the liability with
with within the medical field,because you know, on one hand
you have a massive amount offraudulent malpractice cases
against doctors, but on theother hand you get basically
untested medicine coming out ofthe CDC recommendations or the
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FDA, some of the stuff.
I look at it and it just has norhyme or reason.
It just seems like they're justvaccinating to vaccinate and
the cost must just be sosubstantial for them.
It makes sense to just add moreand more and more.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You're so right.
You are so right.
The thing is that a lot ofthese vaccines that are given
are for treatable diseases.
I remember when I was inmedical school, it was my
microbiology professor.
She was from Russia, i dobelieve.
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She told the class that hersister had died of diphtheria
and everybody's like oh mygoodness, like really putting
fear into the hearts of themedical students and just
stating how crucial vaccines are.
Well, they didn't have themedicine we have now.
They didn't have theantibiotics and the steroids.
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at that point in time This was,i think she was around 60 years
old, so it was probably aroundthe 1930s or 40s that her sister
had died.
So it's really not truthful tosay that vaccines are required
for these diseases at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, i agree.
Like I said my sister, she justhad her second baby.
the first baby she goes.
You can't come over unless youget a whooping cough shot.
I said, okay, i guess I'll beher uncle when she's 16.
I'm not getting a whoopingcough shot, it's like, but there
are cases that are coming backup and they blame unvaccinated
people.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
What's also happening is tell me if you agree Again.
I'm very passionate aboutintegrated medicine because I
was morbidly obese.
I've lost almost 100 pounds,I'm diabetic and I have all this
stuff going on.
The only thing that's everhelped is to really balance care
with traditional pharma andalternative medicine as well.
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But as a country, our immunesystems have actually gotten
worse.
So when you add all of thisextra stuff that's supposed to
strike the immune system, to beto align with it and not, so
you're already pre-herd immunityor whatever they want to call
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it.
To add that, it's just theadverse reactions are just
happening faster and faster andfaster, to the point where it
might have been better to justtreat the illness before
vaccinating for it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, yeah, and you can treat the illness at the
time of the illness as well.
But consider, so what you'resaying is exactly right and
people have had a lack ofcuriosity and interest about
this subject, which is theadjuvants.
So the adjuvants, like you said, they're paired with that
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antigen in order to be able tostimulate the immune system
response to that antigen.
So those adjuvants areridiculous and harmful And each
of those vaccines has thoseadjuvants.
So why in the world would thatbe required?
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So, when you give, why couldyou not do a vaccine that has?
so you're giving multiplevaccines and each of those have
adjuvants.
Why could you not do vaccinesthat just have the antigens and
be able to give one set ofadjuvant to be able to stimulate
the immune system potentiallylike they want?
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I'm not advocating for thisbecause at this point in time,
i'm not saying that I feel likethe adjuvants are any way safe,
but you're giving three to sixtimes the amount of adjuvant
that is potentially needed forall of those vaccines to be
given.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Well, it's interesting because, being gay,
one of the big hot topics wasthis whole monkeypox BS, and it
proved so interesting to mebecause there wasn't enough
monkeypox vaccines in the world.
according to you know, we'regoing to have another pandemic
or whatnot, and so therecommendation from the WHO or
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the I can't remember whatgoverning board was for the
doctor to use half and thenanother half on a patient.
Well, that just tells me thatthey were overly strong in the
first place.
If you're able to split themdown, then you're just injecting
extra to inject, right.
I mean, that's what logic wouldtell me.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Right.
Well, you know what hashappened over the last three
years is a total lack of logic.
With all of medicine, it seemslike nothing has made sense.
I mean, you know the fact thatit continuously changes.
You know they say science issettled and it keeps changing
And they say things that arecompletely unscientific.
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You know demanding everybodysort of bow down to this science
when there is no solid evidencefor it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, You know I talk about all the time when I was a
kid and even a teenager, we'dgo to the doctor.
The doctor would come in and heor she would be exalted.
They were the expert, They weregoing to give amazing care and
you know, they were theprofessional.
And then, as information becamemore and more readily available
, we got to be our own advocatesAnd for the most part, the
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doctors that I experienced likedit when I came in and said, hey
, I read this article, but whatdo you think about trying,
instead of metformin, this orthat?
And they'd be like, oh, that'sgreat.
And then, you know, when thepandemic hit, it went right back
to oh no, you don't ask, youdon't question a doctor, you
don't ask a doctor, you're notyour own advocate.
There's, you know, don't bringin your own research.
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And it's completely gonebackward.
And it's just so strange to methat personal advocacy is now
being frowned upon, when at onetime it was totally pushed.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, this is a big problem.
This is what I talk to mypatients about, because they
really struggle with this issuewhen they have to, if they have
to see a specialist.
I really try and keep anyspecialist care to a minimum
with my patients because I feellike they might get over
intervention.
But when they have to seespecialists, you know they come
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back to me and they're like,well, you know, he's a
specialist, he's a cardiologist,and he says I need this And I'm
like, okay, well, let's talkabout that.
You know, like almostworshiping the physician and the
specialist role, or worshipinga physician in general And a lot
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of older patients who are onmultiple medications.
it's almost like they worshiptheir medication as their
lifeblood, you know as their, assome sort of like necessity for
them to keep living.
instead of instead of trying toreverse their chronic disease,
which it sounds like you're ableto do instead of reversing
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their chronic disease, they relyon these, on these
pharmaceuticals.
And it really breaks my heart.
I've been able to reverse somuch chronic disease in my
clinic.
my patients are happy andhealthy and thriving and getting
off of pharmaceuticals left andright.
I wish, i wish, from the pointthat I really got into this
desire to eliminatepharmaceuticals.
I had had patients start puttingtheir pharmaceutical bottles in
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a big, a big container so Icould really get a picture of
how much success I've occurredin my clinic getting these,
getting patients deep prescribedand restoring their health and
reversing their disease.
But man, it is not hard to dowith a proper human diet And I
really focus on carnivore,animal based, because it's so
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anti-inflammatory.
Patients just start coming offof their diabetic meds.
They get off.
I don't have any patients oninsulin.
I don't know when.
when was the last time Iprescribed insulin?
I don't have any patients onthat.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I mean, unless you're massive, there's really
no need.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I mean there is no need.
Even my type ones, even my typeone diabetics have been able to
reduce their insulinrequirement just by focusing on
carnivore based diet, which ismeat, eggs and cheese.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's keto essentially right.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, it is keto, but it's even a more sort of
extreme version of keto, becausea lot of plants are
inflammatory and patients don'tknow this.
So plants have some phytotoxins and and anti-natrients
and oxalates and carcinogens,because they're trying to
protect themselves from beingeaten And they don't have
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ability to fight off animals,and so their defense mechanism
is chemicals.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So that's why every vegan that I meet and most
vegetarians that I meet are themost unhealthy people I've ever
seen, with their gray skin andtheir teeth falling out.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And they're, and they're overweight a lot of
times And I have, I have vegansthat have diabetes And they just
can't understand it.
I'm like this diet isinflammatory, It is not good for
you, It's not giving you thenutrition you need And it's a,
it's a, it's a toxic.
It's a toxic diet.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, we talk about supplements and you're talking
about supplements.
I mean, one of the things thatI've learned in my research is
that there are a lot ofsupplements out there.
There's a lot of misinformationabout supplements versus
vitamins, minerals, herbs, butthe the thing about the
supplementation is if you canget that ingredient through your
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diet, you don't always need tosupplement.
You know, i and my sister is aperfect example She's like, yeah
, don't take centrum or any ofthose things.
If you want, you know calcium,have milk.
If you want this, do you know?
everything that you need youshould be able to find within
your diet.
And then some people produce alittle bit more or a little bit
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less.
So how does that correspondwith then taking a supplement or
a daily, a daily based vitamin?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, i like this question.
I I try and keepsupplementation.
Well, i just had a patient thismorning in clinic and I and her
and I were talking about shedoesn't want a lot of
supplements.
She's overwhelmed And I'm likethis is, this is exactly right.
I don't want patients to fillover a month.
I want to keep prescriptionmedicines to a minimum minimum,
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just the same as I want to keepsupplements to a minimum.
So I try and do as muchcoverage as possible.
My absolute favorite is Bpollen.
It's my absolute favorite.
The testimonials that I havestarting patients on that are
just so clear.
They're just patients feel sogood on that.
It's it's sort of like God'smultivitamin.
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It has.
It has just about every singlenutrient you would need.
It's like the whole supplementstore in one.
It has two to 300 vitamins,minerals, amino acids, proteins,
enzymes in it.
It's like it fills in allnutritional cracks.
This is what my friend, drJanice Schmidt, says, who
introduced me to it, but it'sit's what I think is.
The is the foundation If youare going to take a supplement,
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if you're eating healthy,healthy red meat.
You know, i printed off it.
I can't remember who.
It was on Twitter last week whodid a whole thread about the
most, the best ways to get thenutrients that you need, that a
person needs, and he wentthrough each individual vitamin
and mineral And the most commondenominator was beef and
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unpasteurized milk, i do believe, and eggs.
So so if you want to, you know,focus on getting all your
nutrition through diet.
You need to research what it is, what, what is required.
I think a lot of people alsorequire vitamin D.
It's hard to get enough fromthe, from the sun and vitamin.
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A good vitamin D level iscrucial to preventative
infection and cancer.
I think you need to have itaround 60 or 70, at least 55.
And then you also must, must,must take that If you take D3
supplementation, you have totake it with K2.
You just absolutely must.
A lot of people don'tunderstand that.
So when you take D3, you'regoing to get an increased
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absorption of calcium throughthrough what you're eating or
through any supplements.
And when that happens, youdon't want that calcium to be
depositing into your arteriesand plaque that you may already
have developed, and so you wantthat to go into your bone.
And K2 is the magical vitaminthat pulls calcium out of your
bloodstream, prevents it fromgoing into plaque or depositing
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in arteries and will even pullit out of plaque or arteries and
get it into your bone where,where it needs to go.
So I say D3, k2 is pretty, ispretty crucial, and also I'm a
big fan of magnesium, especiallyat night.
And then, if you know, if youhave exposure to.
My other favorite, i have tosay, is, of course, our spike
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support, because it has theability to counteract spike
protein, which everybody isexposed to you right now.
If you have the vaccine, you'reexposed.
If you have long-haul COVID,you're exposed.
If you're around those thathave had the vaccine, you are
likely being exposed, and so ithelps break down spike protein.
So I'm I like to keepsupplements to a minimum, but
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right now, at this point in time, i think spike support is is a
must.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So when you look at the wellness company as a whole.
You know, for me I look at,like I said, i look at medical.
You know very basic structureof medicine as care which is,
you know the one-on-one or thetelemedicine, or you know which
can be, either you know,reactive or proactive.
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And then you look at thepharmaceuticals that have to
support or cure some of thosethings.
I mean, i don't care whatanyone says.
If you have bronchitis you needsome form of antibiotic you
know, you're you.
just you want to lower the usage, But in my opinion, there is
traditional pharmaceuticals thatare there to do a job and they
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do a really good job.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, i totally agree .
I think there is use forpharmaceuticals And in fact some
of those are, you know, theivermectin, hydroxychloroquine
meds that work so well for formany viral illnesses.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, third part of that which I think a lot of
people miss is the exposure toalternative treatments.
that I think it's so funny Theycall them alternative They're.
you know, a lot of these thingsare mainstream in other
countries and whatever they hearthey're alternative because
they don't get made by Pfizer.
But you know.
so you take the care, the basicpharmaceutical, and then you
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come into alternative with thatcould be supplements,
acupuncture, etc.
How do you, or how does thewellness company, complete that
circle?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, I think it.
so what we, what we provide, iscare that is nonbiased and
unpoliticized.
Our physicians are trained.
Many of our physicians that arepart of our company that are
providing care, really provethemselves through the Delta
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pandemic, where they knew whatpharmaceuticals worked and they
prescribed them and they helpedsave lives.
And so they're aware of thefact that a lot of medicines
have been censored andpersecuted because they work so
well and because they they don'thelp support the agenda.
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you know that, that there wasno treatment and that vaccines
were required, So they treatedpatients accordingly.
They treated patients properly.
These are the physicians that wehave on our team, on our side,
and they've been trained in, youknow, treating long-haul COVID.
They've also been doing reallyphenomenal jobs of deep
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prescribing patients.
Man, patients are so happy.
we're getting testimonials backof how happy patients are to be
able to work through theprocess of getting off of their
meds, And they do this by bydiet and lifestyle changes.
They get coached by ourwellness coaches on how to
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improve their health and be ableto get off medicines And then
our and then our physicians arehelping them through that
process of deep prescribing.
So a total and true success,with our physicians being able
to help patients withrestoration of health.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And I'm a.
I'm a big proponent I don'tknow how much you know about me,
but I'm I'm a big proponent ofvarying mental health support.
How is it like if someone hasclinical depression or someone
has schizophrenia or borderlinepersonality or bipolar one or
two, and they are on lithium orthey're on anti-psychotic
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medication, does that have tostay or is that something that
you guys can deep prescribe aswell?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well, so it gets trickier for psychiatric meds,
but we do have patients thathave been able to reverse their
mental health conditions and getoff of their psychiatric meds.
Schizophrenia is different.
We would have to have a lot ofsupport for that.
It's interesting because, ifyou, there are tables out there
that I don't know how old theyare and I don't know if I just
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know about them now because offocusing on nutrition.
But there's tables out therethat help define the different
mental conditions, such asschizophrenia or bipolar, or
depression or anxiety and theirassociated nutrient deficiencies
.
So whenever you get patients onreally good nutritional support
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time and time and time again,their mental condition
normalizes They have.
And in this whole thing aboutdiagnosing, like diagnosis of
depression or diagnosis ofanxiety, i think is a flawed
concept.
Patients need to because thebrain, if it has the nutrients
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that it needs, if it's notgetting fed toxins and it's
getting fed the nutrients thatit needs, i don't think it's
dysfunctional.
I think it has to do with thelack of nutrients and the toxins
that are being fed to it thatcreate the problem.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I mean, it's been such an increase.
When you look at the numbers ofsome of these more mental
related health diagnoses, if youwill, and it's just every year.
It gets more and more.
I mean especially young,middle-aged white women.
A huge percentage of ourpopulation is basically hooked
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on antidepressants SSRIs orSNRIs.
It's always interesting to seewhat really is an imbalance and
what is a self-made imbalance,if you know what I mean.
If you're eating really bad andyou're not taking care of
yourself, it's all a chainreaction from your brain all the
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way down to your feet.
I think that we've done such abad job of identifying each one
of those links in the chainbecause we're just trying to
find a one size fits allmedication for everyone, and it
just can't work that way.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It just can't.
The problem is that wheneveryou're faced with that as a
physician, it requires more time.
These physicians don't havetime and I think that's by
design.
These physicians have been sortof forced out of independent
practices and into corporatemedicine where they're owned by
a corporation or they're ownedby a hospital.
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they're controlled by theinsurance payout and they have
to see a lot of patients everyday to stay in the black.
The pressure is on and theydon't have time to get to the
bottom of things, to be able toheal the patient or find out
what is that patient doingthat's contributing to their
anxiety, depression and what arethe environmental factors, what
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are the situational factors,what are their relationship
factors?
what's the nutrition factorthat's creating or the toxicity
factor that's creating this?
they just can't do it.
Having a good position that'ssort of able to get to the
bottom of things, i highlyrecommend DPC practices, direct
Primary Care.
There is a mapper online calledit's at DPCfrontiercom, dpc
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meaning Direct Primary Care orDirect Patient Care Those
physicians most of the timethey're membership based and you
get more time with thephysician.
They're not pressured intoseeing 35 or 40 patients a day,
which is the world I used tolive in before I was terminated
for not doing the vaccine.
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Whenever you find a physicianthat can help you with those
things and keep you off of themedicines you're so much better
off.
I tell my patients they'recoming in if they have anxiety
or depression.
we walk through all the thingswe can do.
I tell them, starting themedication may or will likely
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make you feel better temporarily, but without fail.
This medication not only willmake you feel better at the
beginning, but it creates andprolongs the disease.
You are required to then go upand up and up on this medication
for you to continue to feel asgood.
It's got this mixed bag.
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Patients think, oh, it reallyworks, because then they'll feel
a little bit better.
You'll get this like this boost.
then it only prolongs thecondition and worsens it.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, i agree.
I think there's just certainthings that are just hot, hot
hot items.
I don't know what it is, but itbecomes ingrained in people's
heads To your point.
individual medicine is gone.
It's completely gone.
The medication, thepharmaceuticals, the government
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interference with medicalservices and then the actual
providers it all works together.
It seems to me at this pointit's completely driven by
pharmaceutical companies and noone else.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
For sure.
I feel like the pharmaceuticalcompanies and the insurance
companies are the foundation ofthe problem.
If we could get both of thoseout of medicine, patients'
health would improvedramatically.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
One thing that I want to just talk to you a little
bit about is thesepharmaceutical trends.
There's three huge pushes rightnow that I'd love your opinion
on Gender-affirming care andpuberty blockers, ozempic weight
loss drug and also Narcan forstopping overdosing.
They literally hand them outlike candy here.
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Everyone that goes to thepharmacy you want Narcan Narcan.
It reminds me of the COVIDvaccine.
Everyone's like get vaccinated,get vaccinated.
Carry Narcan Narcan.
Can you speak to why these areso big right now and what the
problem is that comes with thesedifferent drugs?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, let's go through each of those because I
can certainly speak to each ofthose.
The gender-affirming care andthe puberty blockers is an
atrocity.
It's terrible These kids do nothave the ability to make that
decision or it can causepermanent harm.
This is not something that youcan say definitively in a child.
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Needs to happen.
A child is not able to say thatthey want to be the opposite
sex.
I think it's evil and itcreates a lot of mental health
issues in that child.
I know that there are some outthere some that are in our
government that have said theopposite, that the condition
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itself creates the problem.
What the child needs is loveand reassurance and really just
support for that child's currentbiological sex.
That's my opinion.
There are studies that havebeen done.
Dr McCullough and I were on acall the other day He was
telling us about really what ismentally beneficial for a
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patient, for a child, is to havegender-affirming care of their
current biological sex from whenthey're young.
What has been interesting iswhat we've gotten away from.
Parents are like they don'twant to give their child a
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gender or identity even thoughthey're an obvious female or
male.
Even doctors or someinstitutions are not even
putting it on birth certificates.
This is getting so ridiculousthat it creates such confusion
in the mind of the child.
Then they're influenced bymedical professionals or those
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that may have an agenda to gothrough with this puberty
blocking.
I think it's an atrocity.
I have been a big fan ofozympic or semi-glutide, if used
properly.
I think it has not been usedproperly.
I think that what's happened ispatients are getting this
medication and they don't knowthe correct way to use it.
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If they don't know the correctway to use it, it causes harm.
When patients do semi-glutidewhat I do and the reason why I
like it is because I compare itto disulfiram.
Disulfiram is an old medicationthat physicians use and they
use it in alcoholics.
If an alcoholic drinks alcoholwith taking disulfiram, they
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will get sick and they vomit.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Is that the anibus?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, what semi-glutide does ozympic is
that it helps in patients thatare using it properly.
It helps them break the cycleof eating or dysfunctional
eating.
When you start taking ozympicsemi-glutide, if you push past
that feeling of fullness, youvomit, you get very sick and you
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learn to control your eating.
This is how I like to use it.
One of the other things thatsemi-glutide does is that it
slows the movement of foodthrough your stomach.
You feel full for a long timeand you lose that obsessiveness
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with eating or food or snackingovereating.
You feel satisfied.
One of the benefits of foodmoving through your gut slower
is that you increase yourabsorption of nutrients.
Patients feel more satisfiedand they feel so good on
semi-glutide.
I think one of the reasons isbecause they're really absorbing
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a lot more nutrients and foodis not moving through so fast.
They feel like they have moreenergy.
They just love it so much.
What I do is I stay low and Igo very slow on the dose.
I do not move up very fast andI make sure that they eat tens
and tens and tens of protein andfat, because you will get loss
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of lean muscle mass or bonedensity mass on semi-glutide,
most likely because patients arenot eating enough, so then
they're not getting enoughprotein.
If you're using semi-glutide,you've got to have lots and lots
of protein on board.
Of course, i always try andencourage patients to do every
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other thing before we might usesemi-glutide.
That would be a healthy,reasonable, carnivore-based diet
or low-carb, no sugar diet.
A lot of times it's females.
Men seem to have great successwith carnivore diet and
intermittent fasting.
Females seem to just have thatfat locked in.
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This is one of the reasons whyI have used it.
I know that there's a lot ofphysicians out there that are
really raging against it anddon't like it, but I've been
using GLP-1s in my practice.
I've been using them since Iwas in residency in 2007.
Biata is the first GLP-1 thatcame out back then.
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I think it came out in 2006.
These medications have beenaround a long time.
This medicine is not new.
I do not see harm with it whenused properly.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, i understand that.
As far as the popularity of itand the consumerization of it,
do you think that's coming frompharma or do you think that's
just because people are havinggreat results?
I tried this.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I think it's because people have great results.
I really do.
I think it's because people arehaving great results.
I'm in a group of physiciansonline and a lot of these
physicians are talking about howamazing they feel, how great
they look, how much weightthey've lost 35, 40 pounds and
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they're so thankful.
It's really crucial that itcannot just be stopped suddenly.
You have to taper off slowlyand you have to continue to eat
a really good zero carbs, zerosugar.
That's what I recommend at dietin order to keep weight off, we
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just don't need sugar.
Sugar is such a component of somany people's diet carbs and
sugar.
When you eliminate that, thatin and of itself can really help
maintain that weight.
Yeah, so much of it is dietBecause people can have a
rebound weight gain if you gooff of it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I think that's everything For me.
I've gone down, but in thetimes there's been intermittent
times where I've gone back up.
Sustained weight loss orsustained fat loss is something
that is, i think, still there'svarious directions and there is
no perfect path there.
It just depends on the person,the lifestyle, the diet,
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exercise and everything above.
Tell me why do you think thegovernment is handing out Narcan
like crazy?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, i don't, really .
I don't understand.
I think that it can bebeneficial and, of course, life
saving, but in my mind, it'stheir remedy to the opioid
crisis that they created.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Right, yeah, it's just whenever there's a big push
.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
They really did create that opioid crisis.
I remember it was starting whenI was in residency and I
remember thinking and then, whenI was graduated from residency
and I was starting my own clinic, we were being told we have to
ask what their level of pain is.
I pushed back.
I'm like why are we asking that?
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if they're not coming in forpain, why are we trying?
to create a problem?
Well, that was the governmentthat was trying to create this
opioid epidemic.
They did a good job at it too.
So now I don't know.
I don't know if the answer, ifmy answer is correct, that this
is their answer, but It suredoes seem like.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I think you're right.
Yeah, I think you're right,because, again you go back to
that circle.
It's like, well, if they geteveryone hooked on drugs,
they're all on.
You know they're creating amarket.
And then now they're creating amarket to get people off of
drugs.
And you know, that's my right,that's my.
You know, as far as the genderaffirming care in these puberty
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blockers, i mean, and and it'sinteresting speaking with you
because it sounds like you haveyour really a really unique,
wonderful approach to yourpatients and care and and you
probably do correct me if I'mwrong a lot of things off label,
based on Your knowledge, andthose puberty blockers are
completely off label.
They've never been approved bythe FDA to do any of that.
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And so you know, talking to you, talking to my sister, you know
it's like sure, and I'm goingthat's, that's not, it's not
right.
And then my sister's going,yeah, 50, 60% of the medications
we write are off label.
And I and I'm saying to myself,right, but what is the impact
versus the med?
right?
So just because you're writingit off label, you know it's not
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like You know, prescribing thesynapril to someone to protect
their kidneys.
You know, this is somethingthat's going to keep someone
from going through a crucialDevelopment.
Where do we draw the line ofwhat has to be tested before it
can go off label?
What are the warning signs?
because All the misinformationout there makes it sound like
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tick tock, tick tock's.
Just give this to your kids,it's okay, then they can be
whatever gender they want it.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Well it's.
it's really atrocious to Boilit down to such a simplicity
that kids can just change theirgender by taking these
pharmaceuticals.
That is just ridiculous.
And so or change their, youknow, i don't know what you call
it is.
They're all changing biologicalsense.
And is there what construct?
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is gender actually bit?
so they're not gonna be able todo that.
And this, this discussion aboutoff label.
Well, so When physicians dotheir job and they do it
correctly, and they work fromthe bottom up instead of the top
down, and Physicians starttalking to each other and
they're like you know, we, werealize that this medication
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helps this condition, eventhough there's no Studies,
research studies that have beendone and it's not FDA approved
for that.
That's the way medicine shouldwork, where we're able to use
things that we have available,that are already cheap or
already accessible, to be ableto treat a condition and Be able
to figure that out, becausethat's that's the way medicine
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should work.
You know, discussion amongother physicians, and learning
and And and being Creative withwhat we have available.
Using them, using thesehormones off label to destroy
kids lives is, as a completelyother, other way of using
something off label.
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I think it's very bad.
It's creating a life-longPatient for the medical system.
These patients are not gonna beable to live normal lives
without pharmaceuticals.
Will they ever be able to livea normal life once they've
started these pharmaceuticals?
I don't know.
But there's time and time again, stories that are told of kids
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living normal lives that didwant to transition and then they
realize Thankfully they didn'tdo the the pharmaceuticals and
they didn't transition and nowthey're happy in their own
biological sex.
I hear those stories all thetime.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Do we hear you do I do.
We don't hear it on the, on themedia.
I mean there's tens ofthousands of detransitioners out
there, google groups, on reddit, and We don't hear about them
and they get shut down all thetime.
It's always interesting tothink.
I always go like what could bethe benefit of This?
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and I believe you're right.
You're creating a lifelong Care.
It's degenerative health, sothey'll probably be more likely
to have all kinds of ailmentsgetting older.
All right, real quick.
I do want to touch a little biton COVID here and I know my
first question is Did you I knowyou got let go for not being,
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you know, prescribing themvaccine and not buying into the
hype?
Did you sort of become a pariahin your community?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Um, i was just talking.
I can't remember the calm.
I think it was a conversationwith a patient this morning
Where I know full well that thereputation that I had in my
community is completelydemolished.
I had a really, in my opinion,stellar reputation.
I I was elected three timesback-to-back as chief of staff
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of my hospital and and Tookreally good care of my hospital
and my community and my patients.
And so when this, when thishappened, where I Could see the
truth about early outpatienttreatment for coven and I could
see the truth about the vaccines, i never in a million years
thought I would be so completelydisregarded and seen, as you
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know, as As some sort of bad guy.
I never in a million yearsthought it would turn into this.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
I thought I would continue to be respected and
continue to be listened to so Imean obviously that that makes
things a little bit moreDifficult on your behalf.
When you made that transitionout to more of a direct primary
caregiver, did you have a settreatment step that you took for
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For people who had caught it,like Iver, mectin or
hydrochloroquine or or any ofthat, i guess?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
oh yeah, i took care of the sickest of the sick and
kept just about every singlepatient alive.
I used hydroxychloroquine, iver, mectin, high-gold steroids I
be, vitamin C, hyperbaric oxygen, vitamin D, zinc.
I mean I did every single thingI could And and I, and I truly
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believed, saved so many lives.
I mean prevented them fromgoing to the hospital.
So and and This, this effect onthe community or the or my
peers, really did not translateto patients.
Patients continue to.
I mean I, i was full, i wasfull in my clinic so fast.
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Patients knew the truth,patients knew where to get the
truth and knew where to get themedicine They needed well,
that's.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
That's good to know.
I don't think it was the samehere because you know everyone's
so liberal.
It's a little different.
But when you created this Andof the steps and the different
things that you would doindividually for your patients,
were you ever able to share onsocial media about the results
or post anything and and get anypositive feedback?
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Or was everyone still thinkingyou were like Dr Kovorkian?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
No, i I have had pretty much complete support
From all of my followers andpatients.
They They just cheer me on andthey crave that truth and And it
may have to do with where Ilive, being in the middle of the
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country, but you know, thecorporation I work for, was is
Is not a local corporation andso they were controlled from the
top down.
But the but the patients and myfriends and my followers are
more local and and and havesupported me.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
That's awesome.
What do you say?
this is a.
I get in trouble in theconservative community a lot
because I don't fault anyone forgetting vaccinated.
I believe if you have a job todo and you need to feed your
family and your company istelling you you can't feed your
family Anymore, you will notmake money unless you do this.
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That's a hard decision to makeand I don't I don't, i don't
disregard any of those people.
Now the question then becomesWhat do you do once you've had
it and does the?
I know the, the spikesupplement that you all have, is
one thing, but is it differentfor someone who gets a non-MRNA,
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like a J&J vaccine, versussomeone who gets the
Pfizer-Moderna mRNA vaccine?
Do you think that it's one ishealthier than the other?
What are your thoughts onpeople who had to have it and
now they're having adverseeffects?
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, i think it's either way.
you're going to have eitherkind of vaccine.
you're going to have continuedspike protein production.
The continued spike proteinproduction is so problematic and
most likely the cause of theproblems that they're seeing,
because spike is inflammatory,creates neurologic issues,
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creates thrombotic issues andcontinued production can happen
multiple ways.
So you can have the geneticsequence, which is mRNA.
It can go through reversetranscriptase and go into a DNA
form And there's a study thatcame out early 2022 that showed
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that this did happen inhepatocytes, liver cells.
Then there's also some evidencelately of DNA plasmid
contamination of the vaccines,and so these DNA plasmids can
sort of insert themselves and beperpetual producers of spike.
And so if a patient has andthis can happen in your gut
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bacteria and actually this is areally scary prospect because if
this happens in your gutbacteria, then it becomes
potentially an infectiousdisease that can be transmitted
from patient or person to personbecause it's within the E coli
in your gut.
So it is very scary And it is ahuge problem for most people.
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now the spike protein, whetheror not you're exposed or whether
or not you're producing ityourself.
So I think that dealing withthe spike protein is where it's
at.
What we have seen is reallygreat success with the spike
supplement because it hasnatokinase in it And the
natokinase is really thisphenomenal enzyme.
where we have it can performmultiple functions, which is why
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I think it's helping so much.
But we already knew that therewas a problem with clots.
And those that have hadlong-haul COVID or vaccine
injury.
And so the natokinase can breakdown fibrin and it can also
prevent fibrin clots And so itcan help with the whole clot
situation.
But then there's a couplecities that have come out since
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December of last year that areshowing that natokinase itself,
this proteolytic enzyme, thisprotein, can actually break down
, can actually break down spikeprotein, and this is not a
surprising thing, but we'rereally glad to know that this is
the case.
And then there are studies fromyears ago that show that it can
help with fibrosis of the lungsand also amyloid breaking down
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amyloid.
And so the clots that we'veseen and those that are
vaccinated, what we think isthey start with these little
fibrin chains but then the spikeprotein itself turns into this
protinaceous amyloid type clotAnd the natokinase can help
break down all of that.
And then, which is really greatSo there's multiple mechanisms
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of this natokinase that's in thespike support.
But then there's also dandelionroot And we've seen really
strong evidence that dandelionroot can help block spike from
attaching to the ACE receptor.
And we have ACE receptors inour respiratory epithelium and
in our ovaries testes, i dobelieve.
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And so, talking about all theproblems with the vaccine or
exposure to spike.
We're seeing problems withmenstrual irregularities,
infertility, and we know thatthe ACE receptors are in those
organs that affect fertility,and so blocking spike from
affecting those organs could beperformed by the dandelion root.
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So what we see is what actually?
what we don't know is how longthis can go on, if it's
permanent, you know, if it'sindefinite and can sort of the
body can kind of heal itself.
But these supplements arecrucial in the backbone of
helping that, but then alsoother things such as
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intermittent fasting, eating aketogenic type diet, getting sun
, doing grounding, making sureyou get plenty of sleep and help
your body heal itself is alsoimportant.
Good nutritional support aswell.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Going back to the wellness company, just walk me
through a little bit how.
If I was a patient and I signedup for a membership and you saw
me what are the first steps?
What happens as things goforward and that health and
wellness plan is developed?
Is it fully unique?
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Are people watching videosinstead of seeing the actual
doctors?
Is it just a form fill?
What can people expect toexperience?
Speaker 3 (57:42):
So what we have is there's two different
memberships.
There's just your basic $10 amonth membership that gets you
reduced prices on thesupplements, the nutraceuticals
and the telehealth visits, butthen we also have a
comprehensive monthly membershipwhich I just am in love with.
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It's called One Wellness And itbasically provides you with
unlimited supplements per monthand unlimited provider visits
per month, and we're also goingto soon bring in unlimited
prescription coverage under thatumbrella for those that may
need prescriptions.
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But this One Wellness isbasically like a DPC type
practice and they can meet withhealth coaches to help them with
reversal of their chronicdisease.
So patients can see onewellness coaches that help them
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through diet and lifestylechanges that can help them
reverse their diseases, and thenthey can also see a physician
for an illness acute care needs.
They can see a physician fordeep prescribing or if they need
refills, and so the differentlevels of membership are the $10
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, or then this comprehensive OneWellness package, which is $199
, and that's unlimitednutraceuticals and provider
visits.
Then we also have several otherreally cool things that I'm a
big fan of, such as allergy free.
Allergy free is this ability todo immunotherapy sublingual
immunotherapy drops withouthaving to do the expensive or
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painful skin prick testing.
It's a comprehensive blend ofallergens and they can start
doing drops to do.
They start with one drop a dayand they titrate up to five.
They can start doing this andthey're going to because it's a
daily immunotherapy.
They're going to start seeingbenefits and allergies really
fast.
I started this with my husbandand he's had really quick
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improvement and prettysignificant allergies that he
has.
He wakes up congested in themorning, he sneezes when he mows
the lawn.
All of that has improved andessentially resolved itself
within just about five or sixweeks of starting these drops.
It's difficult for Californiaresidents but we also have
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vaccine exemptions and we'vebeen able to help patients with
that as well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, well, the Supreme Court, I'm sure you saw,
just expanded the vaccineexemption and the religious
exemption piece of that.
Because so many people weredenied, i think a lot of the
mandates are going away.
I think the religiousexemptions are going to be more.
They've been completelyprotected by the Supreme Court.
Now I know it's not necessarilylike I just say this.
(01:00:45):
I mean, you're human, you'vegot to sit back and see.
I mean, the CDC just releasedthe hospitalization rates for
this last round of the newervaccine are like through the
roof.
They now have to admit that.
The heart issue I can't rememberthe name of it, but myocarditis
they have to admit that.
I mean, do you sit down atnight, crack a pour of glass of
(01:01:08):
wine and just laugh at the TVand go?
I told you fuckers.
I know it's not bad because youdon't want to be like right
about more people dying, but onthe other side of that they make
you a pariah.
You lose your job, you loseyour reputation.
Trust me, this time next yearthey're going to be knocking at
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your door.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah, i know That's.
the crazy part is, even thoughthis is what is so insane is,
even when they admit they'rewrong, they still attack you for
what you've said.
It's crazy.
It's like what world are we in?
They're not congratulating usfor being the heroes that we
were, for speaking out so earlyon the truth and recognizing it
(01:01:55):
and doing the hard work anddigging deep and finding the
truth and pushing back againsttheir lies.
It's not that they'rerecognizing the truth, it's that
they're reluctantly tricklingout little pieces of truth
because they just, for somereason or other, they're being
forced to or they have to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
They knew the truth.
No, they have to because thenumber of COVID vaccine-injured
people is going.
People are questioning theirdoctors, their hospitals.
They're going around and saying, hey, you told me to get this
especially.
I see a huge number.
Like I said, this is just myown passion.
I like to research the data andstuff.
A huge number of the COVIDvaccine-injured people have
(01:02:41):
autoimmune diseases like MS.
Oh yeah, it is crazy.
They didn't study on any ofthose before they launched the
vaccine and they were all pushed.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I got a screenshot of the presentation I think it was
at the CDC of the vaccine.
I got a screenshot It goessuper fast but it's a list of
all the potential complicationsof the COVID vaccine and they
knew full well that it was goingto contribute to autoimmune
disease.
They knew it was going tohappen because this spike
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protein, when it sits on thesurface of your cells after your
cells have been hijacked toproduce it, your body doesn't
like the spike protein.
It wants to attack it.
The surface of the cell getsattacked and it creates this
autoimmune disease because ofthat spike protein.
They knew that was going tohappen.
They knew it was going tocreate inflammation.
They knew it was going tocreate myocarditis and seizures
(01:03:34):
and transverse myelitis.
They knew.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, they didn't know.
The other interesting piece ofthis.
I want to go back to thebeginning, where you talk about
how the liability has beenremoved from pharma and now
should be being reviewedregularly from Congress.
I already know why they don'tdo it.
It's because I don't know whatchamber the regulation would be
(01:04:01):
under.
I'd have to see the bill.
But I guarantee you half thepeople that sit on that
committee are in Pfizer's pocket.
They've got lobbyists therethat politicians can do and
they're donating to theircampaign.
That's why it doesn't makesense for them personally to
review it.
I tell you, nancy Pelosi madeso much money off of pharma
(01:04:22):
during COVID It wasn't evenfunny.
I think $30 million.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
That is true.
Oh my gosh, that's so tragic.
It is terrible.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, i know the private medical care system is
the best system.
It's not perfect, but it's thebest system in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
We're really fortunate in the US to be able
to have that.
TWC has expanded to Canada andwe have brought in physicians
that have been absolutelydestroyed for speaking truth in
Canada.
The Canadian system reallyprohibits physicians from having
private practice that doesn'tutilize the government insurance
(01:05:06):
.
Thankfully, in the UnitedStates we still have that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, we do.
The reason why the privatesector only works as the private
sector.
What happens is that when thegovernment gets involved, it
fails, but they want it to fail.
Only other available optionwill be socialized medicine.
When they muck in the middle,it's just creating this
(01:05:34):
confusion of is it privatized,is it not privatized?
They add as many people as theycan to Medicaid.
All this stuff over and overand over again.
It's completely degrading ourprivate medical system, which
incentivizes innovation,incentivizes education,
incentivizes doctors to do well,incentivizes patients to be
(01:05:57):
their own advocates.
They want to rid all of thatbecause you can't control it
like they do in Canada.
It's even worse in Europe.
Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, they don't want patients.
Well, that's for sure, becausewell-patients independent
thinkers.
Well-patients becomeindependent thinkers and they
don't accept control, the sameas sick patients who are
dependent on the government oron government insurance.
(01:06:29):
It's easy to see why theywouldn't want healthy,
well-happy, independent,thriving citizens.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But you want that right, dr Gessling.
Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Absolutely.
I want that.
I'm creating that in my clinicevery day.
The wellness company isbringing that about.
That's what we're all about.
That's our mission to empowerpatients with their health to be
able to regain their freedomand independence from
pharmaceutical products, andeven independence from insurance
(01:07:06):
and independence from themainstream healthcare system.
To develop this parallel systemis our goal.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I know I always cracked up during the COVID
vaccine.
All your board certified.
But the doctors that they wouldbring on the shows like to be
their expert COVID doctors.
They're like dermatologistsfrom Arkansas.
These people have no idea.
None of them wereimmunocologists or
(01:07:34):
pharmacologists or anything.
They're just random MDs allover the country and it's just
so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's astounding, But do youthink I'm going to ask you a
question?
do you think that patients aregoing to be wise to what has
happened if they try and do itto us again?
Do you think this isstrengthened and woke up the
(01:08:02):
community enough that they'renot going to get away with it?
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I think it's 100% split 50-50.
I think 50, i think whatever itwas.
60-80% of the population gotsold into the whole COVID
vaccine thing And now that it'spretty much over, a lot of them
have come over to our side andsaid, okay, this didn't need to
happen, this was ridiculous.
And then a lot of them are justdiehard to whatever the
(01:08:26):
Democratic Party tells them, andit's disgusting, but I don't
think it did everlasting damage,because as Americans, we're
resilient people.
We should be a country ofquestioning and pushing back and
innovating and seeing ifthere's a.
Just because the WHO says ohherd, immunity doesn't work, you
know, and so we've become anation of well, they're going to
(01:08:49):
do it anyways, so we might aswell do it Instead of a nation
of okay, let's find the absoluteright fix.
And what I love, as my sistersays all the time, is you can
believe in the vaccine, youcannot believe in the vaccine.
You can believe in this, youcan't believe in this.
The fundamental problem withthe way COVID was handled is
that the American people weredenied a second opinion.
(01:09:10):
Yeah.
And she deals with these kidsthat are on death's door coming
out of their mom, and she's onespecialist out of I think
there's like seven or eight inthe entire country And so she's
often the second or thirdopinion And she says the worst
thing that can happen.
The worst thing that can happenis the original opinion was
(01:09:30):
right.
The best thing that couldhappen is I have some extra
technology or something thathasn't been released yet, or I
know a shape or whatever thatcan save this child's life.
We all have a right to a secondopinion And they took that away
from us and made us a bunch ofdrones.
But I think again, it'll stillbe a 50-50 split.
Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Which is astounding given the amount of evidence
that the government absolutelylied to us.
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yeah, but we don't see it.
We don't see it.
You know these people get up.
I say this all the time.
Everyone's always a victim ofthe last thing they read, read,
watched or heard.
Yeah.
And so people in the morningthey turn on Morning Joe or
whatever and they just talkabout how great it is, the
vaccinated.
(01:10:17):
And you know a lot of mycolleagues I didn't come out and
say one thing or the other atfirst because I was more
concerned about liability andnot, you know, getting shut down
.
But Ben Shapiro, for example, ilove Ben And he got vaccinated
because he was concerned aboutspending time around his parents
because they were older, yeah,and he, yeah, completely lied to
(01:10:38):
, yeah, and he talked about iton the show and kind of endorsed
the vaccine And it was like youknow.
So there were even people onthe conservative side that still
endorsed it And I just And thething is is my decision had
nothing to do with politics.
My decision said look, i've hadan array of health issues my
whole life.
I'm finally back on track.
(01:10:59):
I don't want to do anything tomess up the kind of balance in
the direction that I'm going.
One little change in pill or,you know, supplement or whatever
could have an impact at thattime.
I'm way better now, but so itwas a personal health decision
for me.
However, i would say 90% of thepeople that decided to do it
were either forced or scaredinto it.
Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I think so.
It's really interestingwhenever patients you know
patients or people that I meetor whatever if I find out
they've had the vaccine, they'relike I didn't want to do it, I
just had to do it for this, thisor this, And it's like they
just immediately sort of have tofeel like they're needing to
apologize, you know, like excusethe decision and justify it.
(01:11:46):
It's really unfortunate becausethey're right.
I mean, they wouldn't have doneit had it had, And some of the
reasons are, you know, moresignificant than others.
You know, just saying you wantto go on a cruise is different
than losing your job and notbeing able to take care of your
family.
But some of these things aretrue.
They're just, they were coerced.
Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, it was a huge.
It was a huge coercion scam.
It was a giant moneymaker forall the politicians.
And the mRNA vaccine The manwho created mRNA has come out
and said this is not the wayit's supposed to be used.
This is bad news.
I'm telling you guys.
I mean when you have that, butthe information is.
(01:12:28):
You know the media iscontrolled by the left and the
information is is completelywrong.
And I just you know it's stillso early.
You know time always provesthings to happen, but you know I
don't see anyone unvaccinating,dropping dead from heart issues
.
Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
No, it's not, it's not happening.
Yeah, thank goodness, thankgoodness.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, but I mean, i think to your point.
People are scared, it's it's,it's a, it's a mob mentality And
, just like you said, you're adoctor and you feel pressured to
vaccinate your youngestdaughter because it's like, how
are they going to?
you know, what are they goingto think, what are they going to
do?
I'm not sure.
I'm just now thinking, you know, it's like the same thing with
these people, it's just peerpressure.
(01:13:11):
Yeah.
And you know, most people arefollowers and that's just kind
of what happened.
They didn't want to be a pariahor not let in somewhere or wear
a mask or you know whatever itwas.
They just wanted to go with thegroup of people.
Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
So most people are followers and I think that there
has actually been toxicities inour diet and in our, in our
like hygiene products and invaccines that have created more
sort of weaker thinkers.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, Well, our collective IQ is going down.
Yeah, the collective IQ of thecountry is going down for the
first time.
And interesting that you saythat about consumables.
I mean, like I said, i was inthe business for a long time
Deodorant, for example, yeah, isthe number one cause of tumor
growth for breast cancer.
On the end, it's always theleft breast because they apply
(01:13:59):
more with their right hand.
Oh, wow.
It's filled with parabens andaluminum and you know a lot of
shampoos have a derivative ofagent orange in them And it's a.
it's a good to open up thecuticle to allow the conditioner
to go in.
I mean, i could go on and on.
Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
And fluoride Fluoride is really bad And I mean in the
sort of combination of aluminumfluoride is even worse.
So I would I suggest to mypatients.
You know I talked to them aboutgetting rid of their aluminum
antiperspirant And when I talkedto them about it first they're
just like sort of mortified Noway, i can't do that.
(01:14:38):
I'm like no, you really can.
You know, when you get throughthat detoxification process and
not doing the aluminum, youdon't have the need for
deodorant like you did before.
It's a really interesting thingthat happens.
You don't smell the same, youdon't sweat with food.
Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Well, just like you said it, it's creating a need
that didn't exist before.
Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
The biggest thing that I'm worried about is I was
talking to my buddy, ken Wood,who's a very, very famous
attorney in Texas, and he saidthat he went.
He was in the arguing a case inthe Supreme Court and the
opposition turned in a briefthat was done by AI And it was
citing precedent legal casesthat didn't even exist.
(01:15:25):
Oh yeah, and that is so, Butthat's the law.
You take that into medicine,you know, and you have this
thing starting to recommendprescriptions and recommend you
know stuff to people And youknow maybe they're quoting you,
you know, and quoting me as youjust don't know.
(01:15:46):
And this is what's reallyscaring me.
Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
That the AI thing is.
that is terrifying.
It's not even real information,geez.
Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
No, it's not.
It's not real And it's and it'sgoing to get really bad for the
medical community becausebecause it's going to empower
people with all sorts of stuff.
that is just not true.
Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
And they're going to take leading experts and rework
their words and create.
you know it creates that, thatproblem as well.
So it's you know there's a lotgoing on right now And I just
hope that in the next few yearswe're going to see something
completely different.
Yeah Well.
Pharma needs to be held liable.
You know we need betterunderstanding.
I had no idea that no testingexisted on on the child vaccine
(01:16:37):
recommendations.
That's insane to me, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
So the get the book turtles all the way down.
That's where you can.
It breaks down each individualvaccine and the research that
it's based off of, and theconcept is that they they test
against other vaccines.
I so, ergo, the title turtlesall the way down, um, but it's
(01:17:02):
really interesting that theybreak down the epidemiology, the
actual lack of safety, theactual sort of historical data
of the diseases.
It's a good book, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
You know, i think the problem that happened with all
of that is that we werecomfortable from any all through
the eighties, you know 90,early nineties.
We were comfortable with theseven, eight, 10, you know
whatever.
And then it just blew up.
And then you had all thesepeople that came out as
anti-vaxxers but tied it toautism.
So then they looked.
You know, whether it's true ornot, they were totally painted
(01:17:35):
to be these psychopaths Andsince then you can't even like
have the conversation aboutspreading them out or not doing
this one or that one withoutgetting attitude from the
pediatrician.
Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Oh, i know, Total.
So it's a total paternalisticattitude, um, by most physicians
and even really, um, uh,detrimental to the patient or
their family.
My, um, my sister, has chosennot to vaccinate her beautiful,
(01:18:09):
amazing son.
He's a year and a half And, um,he needed to be seen acutely
for like conjunctivitis orsomething I can't remember what
it was And she took him intourgent care and they brought her
and her husband back in the inthe baby her son, back to her
room, yeah, to tell them thatthey would not see the child
(01:18:33):
because he wasn't vaccinated.
Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Well, this is why you know the company's like the
wellness company and you knowwhere they're.
just non-insurance prescription, you know a subscription based
access to doctors And ultimately, that's going to be the only
direction.
Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, it needs to be free of anagenda, so that care was based.
That decision to not see mynephew was based off of an
agenda, so it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Right, nothing to do with his health.
Did he have a fever, did hehave this?
That didn't matter, it was justhe didn't have that.
So it's a.
It's a theory, an ideal, andnot any science.
Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Correct Yeah, yeah, and, and that's what has
infiltrated medicine, and andit's I'm sure you've heard the
phrase You get the best politics.
In medicine, you get politics.
Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yep.
All right, dr Gessling, ienjoyed this conversation so
much.
You are a wealth of knowledge.
I'm going to have you on manymore times.
I hope you enjoyed being in thelast gay interview studio.
Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I have.
I have particularly enjoyed it.
Actually, It's been really agreat conversation.
You're really engaging and askperfect questions.
Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Oh, thanks, dr McCullis coming on next week,
and then we are going to launcha whole wellness company, laske
conservative partnership, afterthat.
So you kicked it off and I knowmy audience is just going to be
obsessed with you.
So we're really, really lookingforward to working together.
This is Chad Law, reminding youof what Reagan once said We're
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But if we refuse, if we go backto the old pattern of business
as usual, then, let there be nomistake, business as usual will
eventually destroy ourprosperity and all the blessings
that has given us.
God bless you, president Reagan, and may God save America.
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Has modern medicine gone wrong?
Today I interviewed Dr HeatherGuessling of the Wellness
Company to discuss medicalfreedom, informed consent,
vaccines and the pharmaceuticalindustry overreach into private
medical care.
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I have this interview and allthis stuff is going on with the
Supreme Court that I'd like tobe covering as well, but this
one is too good to pass up.
So today I'm joined by DrHeather Gessling.
She is a board certified familymedicine doctor and she was the
chief of staff at her hospitalin Missouri for six years until
she was terminated for notpushing or administering the
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vaccine.
She started her own integratedmedical clinic in Missouri that
has been extremely successful,where she combines all sorts of
different therapies.
She treated and saved manylives of people severely
affected by COVID usinghydrochloroquine, ivermectin and
a slew of other therapies inher clinic And all those other
(03:19):
evil things that we heard aboutduring the pandemic.
She is highly regarded as oneof the top integrated medical
doctors in the country and I amblessed to have her on my show.
This entire episode iscommercial, free, brought to you
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agenda driven and non biashealth care from the best
doctors in the country whorefuse to be pushed around by
big pharma.
Keep you and your familyhealthy and well and experience
what medical care should be.
Let's head over to the last gayinterview studio and chit chat
with Dr Heather Gessling.
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Alright, folks, i'm here backin the interview room with Dr
Heather Gessling.
She's the COO of the wellnesscompany.
She's also a board certifieddoctor and family medicine and
reigns from Columbia, missouri.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yes, sir, Right in the middle of the country, in
the middle of the state.
So total middle America.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So I see here that you have three children, are
they?
you have three girls.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I have a 18 year old son who just graduated high
school.
He's an amazing person.
He he's doing seminary training.
He's also the youth pastor atour church And he'll be sticking
around, which I'm very thankfulfor.
And then I have a 10 year old adaughter and a seven year old
(04:45):
daughter.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And we'll get back to this.
but just to you know, cut rightthrough it, are you're too
younger?
and your older son?
Did you do any vaccines on themwhen they were born as children
?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, i did.
And my youngest one I wasreally, it was the.
It was a time period where Iwas starting to question things
And I remember when my youngestone was born, i thought I know
that my daughter has no risk forhepatitis B.
Why in the world would I allowthem to give her a vaccine, with
(05:20):
her being one day old?
And I went through that process.
I didn't question it with my 18year old or my 10 year old.
I didn't question it, but Idefinitely started questioning
when my youngest was born.
She's seven now And I didn'thave the guts at the time to ask
them to not give her thatvaccine.
I just I started thinking about, you know, all the other things
(05:40):
like what are the nurses goingto think about me?
What are the physicians, my, mypeers, going to think about me?
And I feel ashamed.
I feel ashamed that I didn'tstand up for my little perfect
newborn daughter.
So she got that vaccine Andthen and then, really, I just
allowed her to get all of theothers.
And I remember walking into,walking home, walking into my
(06:03):
house one day after working, andmy husband was like, well, took
Isabelle to get her herkindergarten shots today.
She had her four year old childAnd I remember because I was
going through the process ofquestioning my heart sunk.
I just felt nauseated.
I had to go in my bedroom andkind of just sit down on the bed
and think, oh, i wish I hadknown.
(06:24):
I probably would have told himnot to take her, i probably
would have said let's wait.
But I had forgot that she hadthat appointment And my husband
was a stay at home dad at thetime, and so since that time I
have not given any of mychildren any other shots.
My son had vaccines up until Ithink he was 11.
And then he was supposed to goback for like the Gardasil and
(06:47):
all of that, and I just nevertook him back.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's so interesting to me when the child
conversation, because and it'sone thing that I really want to
talk to you about is where doesmedical freedom start and
medical responsibility stop?
Right, because there's.
you know, i'm in California andit's in these old, rich, hippie
communities like Walnut Creek,or, you know, even in San
Francisco or Santa Barbara,people have decided to not
(07:13):
vaccinate, which is which isthey're right 100%.
On the flip side of that, we'reseeing cases of stuff that we
never saw before that are comingback into the community and
spreading like wildfire.
But the question is is is therea medic?
do we have a personal medicalresponsibility to take the bare
(07:33):
minimum that we need to ensurepublic health, or is there a
different option to take?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That.
So there is.
So there is so many dynamics tothat question, and so the what
I would say is it's possible toto talk about responsibility for
public health, but we have tofirst demand that the FDA, the
CDC and the pharmaceuticalcompanies provide us with proof
(08:02):
that the vaccines are safe,because at this time we actually
don't have safety data on thesevaccines.
I know that patients and andcitizens may think that that it
exists, but it actually does notexist.
Every single vaccine study thathas been done on any of the CDC
vaccines the vaccines that arerecommended on the CDC's
(08:24):
childhood schedule, every singleone of them, have not been
tested against a true salineplacebo.
What they've been testedagainst is either other vaccines
or a proprietary formula.
There may be one study that hasbeen found.
That was a study with Gardasil,where they tested against true
(08:46):
saline with regard to acuteadverse injection site reaction,
not a long term study to see ifthere were any autoimmune
conditions, neurologicconditions, allergic conditions
such as asthma and eczema, andand so none of the studies have
(09:08):
have been done to prove that thevaccines are safe.
So we may have efficacy andthere may be, you know, a
benefit to vaccines if they werecompletely certifiably safe,
but we do not have that at thispoint in time.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that medical
freedom comes first and then wecan make informed decisions once
we're provided with the correctinformation.
So it's better to and again, Iknow you can't probably dispense
medical advice here, but itsounds like the safer option at
this point, without the properdata, would be to air on the
(09:48):
side of caution.
I mean, for example, you know,when I came out of the womb, my
vaccination schedule I think Igot there was only seven
required.
And now my sister just had ababy two weeks old And I think
there's like by the time he's inkindergarten, it's like 23
different shots.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I know it's.
It's really.
It's really astounding how manythat is on the schedule, how
many are given at one time, andI remember listening to a it was
it was the World HealthOrganization.
I do believe there was a bigconference that occurred in 2021
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about vaccine safety And one ofthe one of the physicians a
national, internationalphysician got up and said There
is a problem.
We have not conducted anysafety studies to prove that it
is okay to give all of these atthe same time.
When you give individualamounts of the adjuvants and say
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that there's, you know, safe,and then you don't take into
account that there's all of fiveor six others that are being
given at the same time and andand have studies to show that
that is safe.
It's a huge problem.
We have been sort of blind towhat has happened over the last
20 or 30 years, since the 1986act, where Congress really
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removed the liability from thepharmaceutical companies And
Congress accepted theresponsibility of monitoring
vaccine safety, and theycompletely have short that.
There was provisions that wereput into the 1986 act that
required Congress to do periodicreview.
When I'm not talking about justpost marketing safety data, i'm
talking about congressionalreview.
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This is not happening, and sosince that time where Congress
allowed for the pharmaceuticalcompanies to no longer have
liability for these vaccinesadverse effects of the vaccines
there has been an extraordinaryamount of vaccines that have
been added, and the thing aboutadding a vaccine to the
childhood schedule is that itthen is allowed to be given to
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adults and it doesn't require it.
Also is liability free.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Wow, yeah, it's interesting the liability with
with within the medical field,because you know, on one hand
you have a massive amount offraudulent malpractice cases
against doctors, but on theother hand you get basically
untested medicine coming out ofthe CDC recommendations or the
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FDA, some of the stuff.
I look at it and it just has norhyme or reason.
It just seems like they're justvaccinating to vaccinate and
the cost must just be sosubstantial for them.
It makes sense to just add moreand more and more.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You're so right.
You are so right.
The thing is that a lot ofthese vaccines that are given
are for treatable diseases.
I remember when I was inmedical school, it was my
microbiology professor.
She was from Russia, i dobelieve.
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She told the class that hersister had died of diphtheria
and everybody's like oh mygoodness, like really putting
fear into the hearts of themedical students and just
stating how crucial vaccines are.
Well, they didn't have themedicine we have now.
They didn't have theantibiotics and the steroids.
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at that point in time This was,i think she was around 60 years
old, so it was probably aroundthe 1930s or 40s that her sister
had died.
So it's really not truthful tosay that vaccines are required
for these diseases at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, i agree.
Like I said my sister, she justhad her second baby.
the first baby she goes.
You can't come over unless youget a whooping cough shot.
I said, okay, i guess I'll beher uncle when she's 16.
I'm not getting a whoopingcough shot, it's like, but there
are cases that are coming backup and they blame unvaccinated
people.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
What's also happening is tell me if you agree Again.
I'm very passionate aboutintegrated medicine because I
was morbidly obese.
I've lost almost 100 pounds,I'm diabetic and I have all this
stuff going on.
The only thing that's everhelped is to really balance care
with traditional pharma andalternative medicine as well.
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But as a country, our immunesystems have actually gotten
worse.
So when you add all of thisextra stuff that's supposed to
strike the immune system, to beto align with it and not, so
you're already pre-herd immunityor whatever they want to call
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it.
To add that, it's just theadverse reactions are just
happening faster and faster andfaster, to the point where it
might have been better to justtreat the illness before
vaccinating for it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, yeah, and you can treat the illness at the
time of the illness as well.
But consider, so what you'resaying is exactly right and
people have had a lack ofcuriosity and interest about
this subject, which is theadjuvants.
So the adjuvants, like you said, they're paired with that
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antigen in order to be able tostimulate the immune system
response to that antigen.
So those adjuvants areridiculous and harmful And each
of those vaccines has thoseadjuvants.
So why in the world would thatbe required?
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So, when you give, why couldyou not do a vaccine that has?
so you're giving multiplevaccines and each of those have
adjuvants.
Why could you not do vaccinesthat just have the antigens and
be able to give one set ofadjuvant to be able to stimulate
the immune system potentiallylike they want?
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I'm not advocating for thisbecause at this point in time,
i'm not saying that I feel likethe adjuvants are any way safe,
but you're giving three to sixtimes the amount of adjuvant
that is potentially needed forall of those vaccines to be
given.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Well, it's interesting because, being gay,
one of the big hot topics wasthis whole monkeypox BS, and it
proved so interesting to mebecause there wasn't enough
monkeypox vaccines in the world.
according to you know, we'regoing to have another pandemic
or whatnot, and so therecommendation from the WHO or
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the I can't remember whatgoverning board was for the
doctor to use half and thenanother half on a patient.
Well, that just tells me thatthey were overly strong in the
first place.
If you're able to split themdown, then you're just injecting
extra to inject, right.
I mean, that's what logic wouldtell me.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Right.
Well, you know what hashappened over the last three
years is a total lack of logic.
With all of medicine, it seemslike nothing has made sense.
I mean, you know the fact thatit continuously changes.
You know they say science issettled and it keeps changing
And they say things that arecompletely unscientific.
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You know demanding everybodysort of bow down to this science
when there is no solid evidencefor it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, You know I talk about all the time when I was a
kid and even a teenager, we'dgo to the doctor.
The doctor would come in and heor she would be exalted.
They were the expert, They weregoing to give amazing care and
you know, they were theprofessional.
And then, as information becamemore and more readily available
, we got to be our own advocatesAnd for the most part, the
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doctors that I experienced likedit when I came in and said, hey
, I read this article, but whatdo you think about trying,
instead of metformin, this orthat?
And they'd be like, oh, that'sgreat.
And then, you know, when thepandemic hit, it went right back
to oh no, you don't ask, youdon't question a doctor, you
don't ask a doctor, you're notyour own advocate.
There's, you know, don't bringin your own research.
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And it's completely gonebackward.
And it's just so strange to methat personal advocacy is now
being frowned upon, when at onetime it was totally pushed.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, this is a big problem.
This is what I talk to mypatients about, because they
really struggle with this issuewhen they have to, if they have
to see a specialist.
I really try and keep anyspecialist care to a minimum
with my patients because I feellike they might get over
intervention.
But when they have to seespecialists, you know they come
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back to me and they're like,well, you know, he's a
specialist, he's a cardiologist,and he says I need this And I'm
like, okay, well, let's talkabout that.
You know, like almostworshiping the physician and the
specialist role, or worshipinga physician in general And a lot
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of older patients who are onmultiple medications.
it's almost like they worshiptheir medication as their
lifeblood, you know as their, assome sort of like necessity for
them to keep living.
instead of instead of trying toreverse their chronic disease,
which it sounds like you're ableto do instead of reversing
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their chronic disease, they relyon these, on these
pharmaceuticals.
And it really breaks my heart.
I've been able to reverse somuch chronic disease in my
clinic.
my patients are happy andhealthy and thriving and getting
off of pharmaceuticals left andright.
I wish, i wish, from the pointthat I really got into this
desire to eliminatepharmaceuticals.
I had had patients start puttingtheir pharmaceutical bottles in
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a big, a big container so Icould really get a picture of
how much success I've occurredin my clinic getting these,
getting patients deep prescribedand restoring their health and
reversing their disease.
But man, it is not hard to dowith a proper human diet And I
really focus on carnivore,animal based, because it's so
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anti-inflammatory.
Patients just start coming offof their diabetic meds.
They get off.
I don't have any patients oninsulin.
I don't know when.
when was the last time Iprescribed insulin?
I don't have any patients onthat.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I mean, unless you're massive, there's really
no need.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I mean there is no need.
Even my type ones, even my typeone diabetics have been able to
reduce their insulinrequirement just by focusing on
carnivore based diet, which ismeat, eggs and cheese.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's keto essentially right.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, it is keto, but it's even a more sort of
extreme version of keto, becausea lot of plants are
inflammatory and patients don'tknow this.
So plants have some phytotoxins and and anti-natrients
and oxalates and carcinogens,because they're trying to
protect themselves from beingeaten And they don't have
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ability to fight off animals,and so their defense mechanism
is chemicals.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So that's why every vegan that I meet and most
vegetarians that I meet are themost unhealthy people I've ever
seen, with their gray skin andtheir teeth falling out.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And they're, and they're overweight a lot of
times And I have, I have vegansthat have diabetes And they just
can't understand it.
I'm like this diet isinflammatory, It is not good for
you, It's not giving you thenutrition you need And it's a,
it's a, it's a toxic.
It's a toxic diet.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, we talk about supplements and you're talking
about supplements.
I mean, one of the things thatI've learned in my research is
that there are a lot ofsupplements out there.
There's a lot of misinformationabout supplements versus
vitamins, minerals, herbs, butthe the thing about the
supplementation is if you canget that ingredient through your
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diet, you don't always need tosupplement.
You know, i and my sister is aperfect example She's like, yeah
, don't take centrum or any ofthose things.
If you want, you know calcium,have milk.
If you want this, do you know?
everything that you need youshould be able to find within
your diet.
And then some people produce alittle bit more or a little bit
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less.
So how does that correspondwith then taking a supplement or
a daily, a daily based vitamin?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, i like this question.
I I try and keepsupplementation.
Well, i just had a patient thismorning in clinic and I and her
and I were talking about shedoesn't want a lot of
supplements.
She's overwhelmed And I'm likethis is, this is exactly right.
I don't want patients to fillover a month.
I want to keep prescriptionmedicines to a minimum minimum,
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just the same as I want to keepsupplements to a minimum.
So I try and do as muchcoverage as possible.
My absolute favorite is Bpollen.
It's my absolute favorite.
The testimonials that I havestarting patients on that are
just so clear.
They're just patients feel sogood on that.
It's it's sort of like God'smultivitamin.
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It has.
It has just about every singlenutrient you would need.
It's like the whole supplementstore in one.
It has two to 300 vitamins,minerals, amino acids, proteins,
enzymes in it.
It's like it fills in allnutritional cracks.
This is what my friend, drJanice Schmidt, says, who
introduced me to it, but it'sit's what I think is.
The is the foundation If youare going to take a supplement,
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if you're eating healthy,healthy red meat.
You know, i printed off it.
I can't remember who.
It was on Twitter last week whodid a whole thread about the
most, the best ways to get thenutrients that you need, that a
person needs, and he wentthrough each individual vitamin
and mineral And the most commondenominator was beef and
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unpasteurized milk, i do believe, and eggs.
So so if you want to, you know,focus on getting all your
nutrition through diet.
You need to research what it is, what, what is required.
I think a lot of people alsorequire vitamin D.
It's hard to get enough fromthe, from the sun and vitamin.
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A good vitamin D level iscrucial to preventative
infection and cancer.
I think you need to have itaround 60 or 70, at least 55.
And then you also must, must,must take that If you take D3
supplementation, you have totake it with K2.
You just absolutely must.
A lot of people don'tunderstand that.
So when you take D3, you'regoing to get an increased
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absorption of calcium throughthrough what you're eating or
through any supplements.
And when that happens, youdon't want that calcium to be
depositing into your arteriesand plaque that you may already
have developed, and so you wantthat to go into your bone.
And K2 is the magical vitaminthat pulls calcium out of your
bloodstream, prevents it fromgoing into plaque or depositing
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in arteries and will even pullit out of plaque or arteries and
get it into your bone where,where it needs to go.
So I say D3, k2 is pretty, ispretty crucial, and also I'm a
big fan of magnesium, especiallyat night.
And then, if you know, if youhave exposure to.
My other favorite, i have tosay, is, of course, our spike
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support, because it has theability to counteract spike
protein, which everybody isexposed to you right now.
If you have the vaccine, you'reexposed.
If you have long-haul COVID,you're exposed.
If you're around those thathave had the vaccine, you are
likely being exposed, and so ithelps break down spike protein.
So I'm I like to keepsupplements to a minimum, but
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right now, at this point in time, i think spike support is is a
must.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So when you look at the wellness company as a whole.
You know, for me I look at,like I said, i look at medical.
You know very basic structureof medicine as care which is,
you know the one-on-one or thetelemedicine, or you know which
can be, either you know,reactive or proactive.
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And then you look at thepharmaceuticals that have to
support or cure some of thosethings.
I mean, i don't care whatanyone says.
If you have bronchitis you needsome form of antibiotic you
know, you're you.
just you want to lower the usage, But in my opinion, there is
traditional pharmaceuticals thatare there to do a job and they
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do a really good job.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, i totally agree .
I think there is use forpharmaceuticals And in fact some
of those are, you know, theivermectin, hydroxychloroquine
meds that work so well for formany viral illnesses.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, third part of that which I think a lot of
people miss is the exposure toalternative treatments.
that I think it's so funny Theycall them alternative They're.
you know, a lot of these thingsare mainstream in other
countries and whatever they hearthey're alternative because
they don't get made by Pfizer.
But you know.
so you take the care, the basicpharmaceutical, and then you
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come into alternative with thatcould be supplements,
acupuncture, etc.
How do you, or how does thewellness company, complete that
circle?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, I think it.
so what we, what we provide, iscare that is nonbiased and
unpoliticized.
Our physicians are trained.
Many of our physicians that arepart of our company that are
providing care, really provethemselves through the Delta
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pandemic, where they knew whatpharmaceuticals worked and they
prescribed them and they helpedsave lives.
And so they're aware of thefact that a lot of medicines
have been censored andpersecuted because they work so
well and because they they don'thelp support the agenda.
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you know that, that there wasno treatment and that vaccines
were required, So they treatedpatients accordingly.
They treated patients properly.
These are the physicians that wehave on our team, on our side,
and they've been trained in, youknow, treating long-haul COVID.
They've also been doing reallyphenomenal jobs of deep
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prescribing patients.
Man, patients are so happy.
we're getting testimonials backof how happy patients are to be
able to work through theprocess of getting off of their
meds, And they do this by bydiet and lifestyle changes.
They get coached by ourwellness coaches on how to
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improve their health and be ableto get off medicines And then
our and then our physicians arehelping them through that
process of deep prescribing.
So a total and true success,with our physicians being able
to help patients withrestoration of health.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And I'm a.
I'm a big proponent I don'tknow how much you know about me,
but I'm I'm a big proponent ofvarying mental health support.
How is it like if someone hasclinical depression or someone
has schizophrenia or borderlinepersonality or bipolar one or
two, and they are on lithium orthey're on anti-psychotic
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medication, does that have tostay or is that something that
you guys can deep prescribe aswell?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well, so it gets trickier for psychiatric meds,
but we do have patients thathave been able to reverse their
mental health conditions and getoff of their psychiatric meds.
Schizophrenia is different.
We would have to have a lot ofsupport for that.
It's interesting because, ifyou, there are tables out there
that I don't know how old theyare and I don't know if I just
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know about them now because offocusing on nutrition.
But there's tables out therethat help define the different
mental conditions, such asschizophrenia or bipolar, or
depression or anxiety and theirassociated nutrient deficiencies
.
So whenever you get patients onreally good nutritional support
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time and time and time again,their mental condition
normalizes They have.
And in this whole thing aboutdiagnosing, like diagnosis of
depression or diagnosis ofanxiety, i think is a flawed
concept.
Patients need to because thebrain, if it has the nutrients
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that it needs, if it's notgetting fed toxins and it's
getting fed the nutrients thatit needs, i don't think it's
dysfunctional.
I think it has to do with thelack of nutrients and the toxins
that are being fed to it thatcreate the problem.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I mean, it's been such an increase.
When you look at the numbers ofsome of these more mental
related health diagnoses, if youwill, and it's just every year.
It gets more and more.
I mean especially young,middle-aged white women.
A huge percentage of ourpopulation is basically hooked
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on antidepressants SSRIs orSNRIs.
It's always interesting to seewhat really is an imbalance and
what is a self-made imbalance,if you know what I mean.
If you're eating really bad andyou're not taking care of
yourself, it's all a chainreaction from your brain all the
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way down to your feet.
I think that we've done such abad job of identifying each one
of those links in the chainbecause we're just trying to
find a one size fits allmedication for everyone, and it
just can't work that way.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It just can't.
The problem is that wheneveryou're faced with that as a
physician, it requires more time.
These physicians don't havetime and I think that's by
design.
These physicians have been sortof forced out of independent
practices and into corporatemedicine where they're owned by
a corporation or they're ownedby a hospital.
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they're controlled by theinsurance payout and they have
to see a lot of patients everyday to stay in the black.
The pressure is on and theydon't have time to get to the
bottom of things, to be able toheal the patient or find out
what is that patient doingthat's contributing to their
anxiety, depression and what arethe environmental factors, what
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are the situational factors,what are their relationship
factors?
what's the nutrition factorthat's creating or the toxicity
factor that's creating this?
they just can't do it.
Having a good position that'ssort of able to get to the
bottom of things, i highlyrecommend DPC practices, direct
Primary Care.
There is a mapper online calledit's at DPCfrontiercom, dpc
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meaning Direct Primary Care orDirect Patient Care Those
physicians most of the timethey're membership based and you
get more time with thephysician.
They're not pressured intoseeing 35 or 40 patients a day,
which is the world I used tolive in before I was terminated
for not doing the vaccine.
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Whenever you find a physicianthat can help you with those
things and keep you off of themedicines you're so much better
off.
I tell my patients they'recoming in if they have anxiety
or depression.
we walk through all the thingswe can do.
I tell them, starting themedication may or will likely
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make you feel better temporarily, but without fail.
This medication not only willmake you feel better at the
beginning, but it creates andprolongs the disease.
You are required to then go upand up and up on this medication
for you to continue to feel asgood.
It's got this mixed bag.
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Patients think, oh, it reallyworks, because then they'll feel
a little bit better.
You'll get this like this boost.
then it only prolongs thecondition and worsens it.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, i agree.
I think there's just certainthings that are just hot, hot
hot items.
I don't know what it is, but itbecomes ingrained in people's
heads To your point.
individual medicine is gone.
It's completely gone.
The medication, thepharmaceuticals, the government
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interference with medicalservices and then the actual
providers it all works together.
It seems to me at this pointit's completely driven by
pharmaceutical companies and noone else.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
For sure.
I feel like the pharmaceuticalcompanies and the insurance
companies are the foundation ofthe problem.
If we could get both of thoseout of medicine, patients'
health would improvedramatically.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
One thing that I want to just talk to you a little
bit about is thesepharmaceutical trends.
There's three huge pushes rightnow that I'd love your opinion
on Gender-affirming care andpuberty blockers, ozempic weight
loss drug and also Narcan forstopping overdosing.
They literally hand them outlike candy here.
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Everyone that goes to thepharmacy you want Narcan Narcan.
It reminds me of the COVIDvaccine.
Everyone's like get vaccinated,get vaccinated.
Carry Narcan Narcan.
Can you speak to why these areso big right now and what the
problem is that comes with thesedifferent drugs?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, let's go through each of those because I
can certainly speak to each ofthose.
The gender-affirming care andthe puberty blockers is an
atrocity.
It's terrible These kids do nothave the ability to make that
decision or it can causepermanent harm.
This is not something that youcan say definitively in a child.
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Needs to happen.
A child is not able to say thatthey want to be the opposite
sex.
I think it's evil and itcreates a lot of mental health
issues in that child.
I know that there are some outthere some that are in our
government that have said theopposite, that the condition
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itself creates the problem.
What the child needs is loveand reassurance and really just
support for that child's currentbiological sex.
That's my opinion.
There are studies that havebeen done.
Dr McCullough and I were on acall the other day He was
telling us about really what ismentally beneficial for a
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patient, for a child, is to havegender-affirming care of their
current biological sex from whenthey're young.
What has been interesting iswhat we've gotten away from.
Parents are like they don'twant to give their child a
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gender or identity even thoughthey're an obvious female or
male.
Even doctors or someinstitutions are not even
putting it on birth certificates.
This is getting so ridiculousthat it creates such confusion
in the mind of the child.
Then they're influenced bymedical professionals or those
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that may have an agenda to gothrough with this puberty
blocking.
I think it's an atrocity.
I have been a big fan ofozympic or semi-glutide, if used
properly.
I think it has not been usedproperly.
I think that what's happened ispatients are getting this
medication and they don't knowthe correct way to use it.
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If they don't know the correctway to use it, it causes harm.
When patients do semi-glutidewhat I do and the reason why I
like it is because I compare itto disulfiram.
Disulfiram is an old medicationthat physicians use and they
use it in alcoholics.
If an alcoholic drinks alcoholwith taking disulfiram, they
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will get sick and they vomit.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Is that the anibus?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, what semi-glutide does ozympic is
that it helps in patients thatare using it properly.
It helps them break the cycleof eating or dysfunctional
eating.
When you start taking ozympicsemi-glutide, if you push past
that feeling of fullness, youvomit, you get very sick and you
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learn to control your eating.
This is how I like to use it.
One of the other things thatsemi-glutide does is that it
slows the movement of foodthrough your stomach.
You feel full for a long timeand you lose that obsessiveness
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with eating or food or snackingovereating.
You feel satisfied.
One of the benefits of foodmoving through your gut slower
is that you increase yourabsorption of nutrients.
Patients feel more satisfiedand they feel so good on
semi-glutide.
I think one of the reasons isbecause they're really absorbing
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a lot more nutrients and foodis not moving through so fast.
They feel like they have moreenergy.
They just love it so much.
What I do is I stay low and Igo very slow on the dose.
I do not move up very fast andI make sure that they eat tens
and tens and tens of protein andfat, because you will get loss
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of lean muscle mass or bonedensity mass on semi-glutide,
most likely because patients arenot eating enough, so then
they're not getting enoughprotein.
If you're using semi-glutide,you've got to have lots and lots
of protein on board.
Of course, i always try andencourage patients to do every
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other thing before we might usesemi-glutide.
That would be a healthy,reasonable, carnivore-based diet
or low-carb, no sugar diet.
A lot of times it's females.
Men seem to have great successwith carnivore diet and
intermittent fasting.
Females seem to just have thatfat locked in.
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This is one of the reasons whyI have used it.
I know that there's a lot ofphysicians out there that are
really raging against it anddon't like it, but I've been
using GLP-1s in my practice.
I've been using them since Iwas in residency in 2007.
Biata is the first GLP-1 thatcame out back then.
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I think it came out in 2006.
These medications have beenaround a long time.
This medicine is not new.
I do not see harm with it whenused properly.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, i understand that.
As far as the popularity of itand the consumerization of it,
do you think that's coming frompharma or do you think that's
just because people are havinggreat results?
I tried this.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
I think it's because people have great results.
I really do.
I think it's because people arehaving great results.
I'm in a group of physiciansonline and a lot of these
physicians are talking about howamazing they feel, how great
they look, how much weightthey've lost 35, 40 pounds and
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they're so thankful.
It's really crucial that itcannot just be stopped suddenly.
You have to taper off slowlyand you have to continue to eat
a really good zero carbs, zerosugar.
That's what I recommend at dietin order to keep weight off, we
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just don't need sugar.
Sugar is such a component of somany people's diet carbs and
sugar.
When you eliminate that, thatin and of itself can really help
maintain that weight.
Yeah, so much of it is dietBecause people can have a
rebound weight gain if you gooff of it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I think that's everything For me.
I've gone down, but in thetimes there's been intermittent
times where I've gone back up.
Sustained weight loss orsustained fat loss is something
that is, i think, still there'svarious directions and there is
no perfect path there.
It just depends on the person,the lifestyle, the diet,
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exercise and everything above.
Tell me why do you think thegovernment is handing out Narcan
like crazy?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, i don't, really .
I don't understand.
I think that it can bebeneficial and, of course, life
saving, but in my mind, it'stheir remedy to the opioid
crisis that they created.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Right, yeah, it's just whenever there's a big push
.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
They really did create that opioid crisis.
I remember it was starting whenI was in residency and I
remember thinking and then, whenI was graduated from residency
and I was starting my own clinic, we were being told we have to
ask what their level of pain is.
I pushed back.
I'm like why are we asking that?
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if they're not coming in forpain, why are we trying?
to create a problem?
Well, that was the governmentthat was trying to create this
opioid epidemic.
They did a good job at it too.
So now I don't know.
I don't know if the answer, ifmy answer is correct, that this
is their answer, but It suredoes seem like.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I think you're right.
Yeah, I think you're right,because, again you go back to
that circle.
It's like, well, if they geteveryone hooked on drugs,
they're all on.
You know they're creating amarket.
And then now they're creating amarket to get people off of
drugs.
And you know, that's my right,that's my.
You know, as far as the genderaffirming care in these puberty
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blockers, i mean, and and it'sinteresting speaking with you
because it sounds like you haveyour really a really unique,
wonderful approach to yourpatients and care and and you
probably do correct me if I'mwrong a lot of things off label,
based on Your knowledge, andthose puberty blockers are
completely off label.
They've never been approved bythe FDA to do any of that.
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And so you know, talking to you, talking to my sister, you know
it's like sure, and I'm goingthat's, that's not, it's not
right.
And then my sister's going,yeah, 50, 60% of the medications
we write are off label.
And I and I'm saying to myself,right, but what is the impact
versus the med?
right?
So just because you're writingit off label, you know it's not
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like You know, prescribing thesynapril to someone to protect
their kidneys.
You know, this is somethingthat's going to keep someone
from going through a crucialDevelopment.
Where do we draw the line ofwhat has to be tested before it
can go off label?
What are the warning signs?
because All the misinformationout there makes it sound like
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tick tock, tick tock's.
Just give this to your kids,it's okay, then they can be
whatever gender they want it.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Well it's.
it's really atrocious to Boilit down to such a simplicity
that kids can just change theirgender by taking these
pharmaceuticals.
That is just ridiculous.
And so or change their, youknow, i don't know what you call
it is.
They're all changing biologicalsense.
And is there what construct?
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is gender actually bit?
so they're not gonna be able todo that.
And this, this discussion aboutoff label.
Well, so When physicians dotheir job and they do it
correctly, and they work fromthe bottom up instead of the top
down, and Physicians starttalking to each other and
they're like you know, we, werealize that this medication
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helps this condition, eventhough there's no Studies,
research studies that have beendone and it's not FDA approved
for that.
That's the way medicine shouldwork, where we're able to use
things that we have available,that are already cheap or
already accessible, to be ableto treat a condition and Be able
to figure that out, becausethat's that's the way medicine
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should work.
You know, discussion amongother physicians, and learning
and And and being Creative withwhat we have available.
Using them, using thesehormones off label to destroy
kids lives is, as a completelyother, other way of using
something off label.
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I think it's very bad.
It's creating a life-longPatient for the medical system.
These patients are not gonna beable to live normal lives
without pharmaceuticals.
Will they ever be able to livea normal life once they've
started these pharmaceuticals?
I don't know.
But there's time and time again, stories that are told of kids
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living normal lives that didwant to transition and then they
realize Thankfully they didn'tdo the the pharmaceuticals and
they didn't transition and nowthey're happy in their own
biological sex.
I hear those stories all thetime.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Do we hear you do I do.
We don't hear it on the, on themedia.
I mean there's tens ofthousands of detransitioners out
there, google groups, on reddit, and We don't hear about them
and they get shut down all thetime.
It's always interesting tothink.
I always go like what could bethe benefit of This?
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and I believe you're right.
You're creating a lifelong Care.
It's degenerative health, sothey'll probably be more likely
to have all kinds of ailmentsgetting older.
All right, real quick.
I do want to touch a little biton COVID here and I know my
first question is Did you I knowyou got let go for not being,
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you know, prescribing themvaccine and not buying into the
hype?
Did you sort of become a pariahin your community?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Um, i was just talking.
I can't remember the calm.
I think it was a conversationwith a patient this morning
Where I know full well that thereputation that I had in my
community is completelydemolished.
I had a really, in my opinion,stellar reputation.
I I was elected three timesback-to-back as chief of staff
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of my hospital and and Tookreally good care of my hospital
and my community and my patients.
And so when this, when thishappened, where I Could see the
truth about early outpatienttreatment for coven and I could
see the truth about the vaccines, i never in a million years
thought I would be so completelydisregarded and seen, as you
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know, as As some sort of bad guy.
I never in a million yearsthought it would turn into this.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
I thought I would continue to be respected and
continue to be listened to so Imean obviously that that makes
things a little bit moreDifficult on your behalf.
When you made that transitionout to more of a direct primary
caregiver, did you have a settreatment step that you took for
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For people who had caught it,like Iver, mectin or
hydrochloroquine or or any ofthat, i guess?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
oh yeah, i took care of the sickest of the sick and
kept just about every singlepatient alive.
I used hydroxychloroquine, iver, mectin, high-gold steroids I
be, vitamin C, hyperbaric oxygen, vitamin D, zinc.
I mean I did every single thingI could And and I, and I truly
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believed, saved so many lives.
I mean prevented them fromgoing to the hospital.
So and and This, this effect onthe community or the or my
peers, really did not translateto patients.
Patients continue to.
I mean I, i was full, i wasfull in my clinic so fast.
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Patients knew the truth,patients knew where to get the
truth and knew where to get themedicine They needed well,
that's.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
That's good to know.
I don't think it was the samehere because you know everyone's
so liberal.
It's a little different.
But when you created this Andof the steps and the different
things that you would doindividually for your patients,
were you ever able to share onsocial media about the results
or post anything and and get anypositive feedback?
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Or was everyone still thinkingyou were like Dr Kovorkian?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
No, i I have had pretty much complete support
From all of my followers andpatients.
They They just cheer me on andthey crave that truth and And it
may have to do with where Ilive, being in the middle of the
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country, but you know, thecorporation I work for, was is
Is not a local corporation andso they were controlled from the
top down.
But the but the patients and myfriends and my followers are
more local and and and havesupported me.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
That's awesome.
What do you say?
this is a.
I get in trouble in theconservative community a lot
because I don't fault anyone forgetting vaccinated.
I believe if you have a job todo and you need to feed your
family and your company istelling you you can't feed your
family Anymore, you will notmake money unless you do this.
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That's a hard decision to makeand I don't I don't, i don't
disregard any of those people.
Now the question then becomesWhat do you do once you've had
it and does the?
I know the, the spikesupplement that you all have, is
one thing, but is it differentfor someone who gets a non-MRNA,
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like a J&J vaccine, versussomeone who gets the
Pfizer-Moderna mRNA vaccine?
Do you think that it's one ishealthier than the other?
What are your thoughts onpeople who had to have it and
now they're having adverseeffects?
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, i think it's either way.
you're going to have eitherkind of vaccine.
you're going to have continuedspike protein production.
The continued spike proteinproduction is so problematic and
most likely the cause of theproblems that they're seeing,
because spike is inflammatory,creates neurologic issues,
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creates thrombotic issues andcontinued production can happen
multiple ways.
So you can have the geneticsequence, which is mRNA.
It can go through reversetranscriptase and go into a DNA
form And there's a study thatcame out early 2022 that showed
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that this did happen inhepatocytes, liver cells.
Then there's also some evidencelately of DNA plasmid
contamination of the vaccines,and so these DNA plasmids can
sort of insert themselves and beperpetual producers of spike.
And so if a patient has andthis can happen in your gut
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bacteria and actually this is areally scary prospect because if
this happens in your gutbacteria, then it becomes
potentially an infectiousdisease that can be transmitted
from patient or person to personbecause it's within the E coli
in your gut.
So it is very scary And it is ahuge problem for most people.
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now the spike protein, whetheror not you're exposed or whether
or not you're producing ityourself.
So I think that dealing withthe spike protein is where it's
at.
What we have seen is reallygreat success with the spike
supplement because it hasnatokinase in it And the
natokinase is really thisphenomenal enzyme.
where we have it can performmultiple functions, which is why
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I think it's helping so much.
But we already knew that therewas a problem with clots.
And those that have hadlong-haul COVID or vaccine
injury.
And so the natokinase can breakdown fibrin and it can also
prevent fibrin clots And so itcan help with the whole clot
situation.
But then there's a couplecities that have come out since
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December of last year that areshowing that natokinase itself,
this proteolytic enzyme, thisprotein, can actually break down
, can actually break down spikeprotein, and this is not a
surprising thing, but we'rereally glad to know that this is
the case.
And then there are studies fromyears ago that show that it can
help with fibrosis of the lungsand also amyloid breaking down
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amyloid.
And so the clots that we'veseen and those that are
vaccinated, what we think isthey start with these little
fibrin chains but then the spikeprotein itself turns into this
protinaceous amyloid type clotAnd the natokinase can help
break down all of that.
And then, which is really greatSo there's multiple mechanisms
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of this natokinase that's in thespike support.
But then there's also dandelionroot And we've seen really
strong evidence that dandelionroot can help block spike from
attaching to the ACE receptor.
And we have ACE receptors inour respiratory epithelium and
in our ovaries testes, i dobelieve.
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And so, talking about all theproblems with the vaccine or
exposure to spike.
We're seeing problems withmenstrual irregularities,
infertility, and we know thatthe ACE receptors are in those
organs that affect fertility,and so blocking spike from
affecting those organs could beperformed by the dandelion root.
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So what we see is what actually?
what we don't know is how longthis can go on, if it's
permanent, you know, if it'sindefinite and can sort of the
body can kind of heal itself.
But these supplements arecrucial in the backbone of
helping that, but then alsoother things such as
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intermittent fasting, eating aketogenic type diet, getting sun
, doing grounding, making sureyou get plenty of sleep and help
your body heal itself is alsoimportant.
Good nutritional support aswell.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Going back to the wellness company, just walk me
through a little bit how.
If I was a patient and I signedup for a membership and you saw
me what are the first steps?
What happens as things goforward and that health and
wellness plan is developed?
Is it fully unique?
(57:33):
Are people watching videosinstead of seeing the actual
doctors?
Is it just a form fill?
What can people expect toexperience?
Speaker 3 (57:42):
So what we have is there's two different
memberships.
There's just your basic $10 amonth membership that gets you
reduced prices on thesupplements, the nutraceuticals
and the telehealth visits, butthen we also have a
comprehensive monthly membershipwhich I just am in love with.
(58:06):
It's called One Wellness And itbasically provides you with
unlimited supplements per monthand unlimited provider visits
per month, and we're also goingto soon bring in unlimited
prescription coverage under thatumbrella for those that may
need prescriptions.
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But this One Wellness isbasically like a DPC type
practice and they can meet withhealth coaches to help them with
reversal of their chronicdisease.
So patients can see onewellness coaches that help them
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through diet and lifestylechanges that can help them
reverse their diseases, and thenthey can also see a physician
for an illness acute care needs.
They can see a physician fordeep prescribing or if they need
refills, and so the differentlevels of membership are the $10
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, or then this comprehensive OneWellness package, which is $199
, and that's unlimitednutraceuticals and provider
visits.
Then we also have several otherreally cool things that I'm a
big fan of, such as allergy free.
Allergy free is this ability todo immunotherapy sublingual
immunotherapy drops withouthaving to do the expensive or
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painful skin prick testing.
It's a comprehensive blend ofallergens and they can start
doing drops to do.
They start with one drop a dayand they titrate up to five.
They can start doing this andthey're going to because it's a
daily immunotherapy.
They're going to start seeingbenefits and allergies really
fast.
I started this with my husbandand he's had really quick
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improvement and prettysignificant allergies that he
has.
He wakes up congested in themorning, he sneezes when he mows
the lawn.
All of that has improved andessentially resolved itself
within just about five or sixweeks of starting these drops.
It's difficult for Californiaresidents but we also have
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vaccine exemptions and we'vebeen able to help patients with
that as well.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, well, the Supreme Court, I'm sure you saw,
just expanded the vaccineexemption and the religious
exemption piece of that.
Because so many people weredenied, i think a lot of the
mandates are going away.
I think the religiousexemptions are going to be more.
They've been completelyprotected by the Supreme Court.
Now I know it's not necessarilylike I just say this.
(01:00:45):
I mean, you're human, you'vegot to sit back and see.
I mean, the CDC just releasedthe hospitalization rates for
this last round of the newervaccine are like through the
roof.
They now have to admit that.
The heart issue I can't rememberthe name of it, but myocarditis
they have to admit that.
I mean, do you sit down atnight, crack a pour of glass of
(01:01:08):
wine and just laugh at the TVand go?
I told you fuckers.
I know it's not bad because youdon't want to be like right
about more people dying, but onthe other side of that they make
you a pariah.
You lose your job, you loseyour reputation.
Trust me, this time next yearthey're going to be knocking at
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your door.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah, i know That's.
the crazy part is, even thoughthis is what is so insane is,
even when they admit they'rewrong, they still attack you for
what you've said.
It's crazy.
It's like what world are we in?
They're not congratulating usfor being the heroes that we
were, for speaking out so earlyon the truth and recognizing it
(01:01:55):
and doing the hard work anddigging deep and finding the
truth and pushing back againsttheir lies.
It's not that they'rerecognizing the truth, it's that
they're reluctantly tricklingout little pieces of truth
because they just, for somereason or other, they're being
forced to or they have to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
They knew the truth.
No, they have to because thenumber of COVID vaccine-injured
people is going.
People are questioning theirdoctors, their hospitals.
They're going around and saying, hey, you told me to get this
especially.
I see a huge number.
Like I said, this is just myown passion.
I like to research the data andstuff.
A huge number of the COVIDvaccine-injured people have
(01:02:41):
autoimmune diseases like MS.
Oh yeah, it is crazy.
They didn't study on any ofthose before they launched the
vaccine and they were all pushed.
Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I got a screenshot of the presentation I think it was
at the CDC of the vaccine.
I got a screenshot It goessuper fast but it's a list of
all the potential complicationsof the COVID vaccine and they
knew full well that it was goingto contribute to autoimmune
disease.
They knew it was going tohappen because this spike
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protein, when it sits on thesurface of your cells after your
cells have been hijacked toproduce it, your body doesn't
like the spike protein.
It wants to attack it.
The surface of the cell getsattacked and it creates this
autoimmune disease because ofthat spike protein.
They knew that was going tohappen.
They knew it was going tocreate inflammation.
They knew it was going tocreate myocarditis and seizures
(01:03:34):
and transverse myelitis.
They knew.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, they didn't know.
The other interesting piece ofthis.
I want to go back to thebeginning, where you talk about
how the liability has beenremoved from pharma and now
should be being reviewedregularly from Congress.
I already know why they don'tdo it.
It's because I don't know whatchamber the regulation would be
(01:04:01):
under.
I'd have to see the bill.
But I guarantee you half thepeople that sit on that
committee are in Pfizer's pocket.
They've got lobbyists therethat politicians can do and
they're donating to theircampaign.
That's why it doesn't makesense for them personally to
review it.
I tell you, nancy Pelosi madeso much money off of pharma
(01:04:22):
during COVID It wasn't evenfunny.
I think $30 million.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
That is true.
Oh my gosh, that's so tragic.
It is terrible.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, i know the private medical care system is
the best system.
It's not perfect, but it's thebest system in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
We're really fortunate in the US to be able
to have that.
TWC has expanded to Canada andwe have brought in physicians
that have been absolutelydestroyed for speaking truth in
Canada.
The Canadian system reallyprohibits physicians from having
private practice that doesn'tutilize the government insurance
(01:05:06):
.
Thankfully, in the UnitedStates we still have that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, we do.
The reason why the privatesector only works as the private
sector.
What happens is that when thegovernment gets involved, it
fails, but they want it to fail.
Only other available optionwill be socialized medicine.
When they muck in the middle,it's just creating this
(01:05:34):
confusion of is it privatized,is it not privatized?
They add as many people as theycan to Medicaid.
All this stuff over and overand over again.
It's completely degrading ourprivate medical system, which
incentivizes innovation,incentivizes education,
incentivizes doctors to do well,incentivizes patients to be
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their own advocates.
They want to rid all of thatbecause you can't control it
like they do in Canada.
It's even worse in Europe.
Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Yeah, they don't want patients.
Well, that's for sure, becausewell-patients independent
thinkers.
Well-patients becomeindependent thinkers and they
don't accept control, the sameas sick patients who are
dependent on the government oron government insurance.
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It's easy to see why theywouldn't want healthy,
well-happy, independent,thriving citizens.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But you want that right, dr Gessling.
Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Absolutely.
I want that.
I'm creating that in my clinicevery day.
The wellness company isbringing that about.
That's what we're all about.
That's our mission to empowerpatients with their health to be
able to regain their freedomand independence from
pharmaceutical products, andeven independence from insurance
(01:07:06):
and independence from themainstream healthcare system.
To develop this parallel systemis our goal.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I know I always cracked up during the COVID
vaccine.
All your board certified.
But the doctors that they wouldbring on the shows like to be
their expert COVID doctors.
They're like dermatologistsfrom Arkansas.
These people have no idea.
None of them wereimmunocologists or
(01:07:34):
pharmacologists or anything.
They're just random MDs allover the country and it's just
so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's astounding, But do youthink I'm going to ask you a
question?
do you think that patients aregoing to be wise to what has
happened if they try and do itto us again?
Do you think this isstrengthened and woke up the
(01:08:02):
community enough that they'renot going to get away with it?
Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I think it's 100% split 50-50.
I think 50, i think whatever itwas.
60-80% of the population gotsold into the whole COVID
vaccine thing And now that it'spretty much over, a lot of them
have come over to our side andsaid, okay, this didn't need to
happen, this was ridiculous.
And then a lot of them are justdiehard to whatever the
(01:08:26):
Democratic Party tells them, andit's disgusting, but I don't
think it did everlasting damage,because as Americans, we're
resilient people.
We should be a country ofquestioning and pushing back and
innovating and seeing ifthere's a.
Just because the WHO says ohherd, immunity doesn't work, you
know, and so we've become anation of well, they're going to
(01:08:49):
do it anyways, so we might aswell do it Instead of a nation
of okay, let's find the absoluteright fix.
And what I love, as my sistersays all the time, is you can
believe in the vaccine, youcannot believe in the vaccine.
You can believe in this, youcan't believe in this.
The fundamental problem withthe way COVID was handled is
that the American people weredenied a second opinion.
(01:09:10):
Yeah.
And she deals with these kidsthat are on death's door coming
out of their mom, and she's onespecialist out of I think
there's like seven or eight inthe entire country And so she's
often the second or thirdopinion And she says the worst
thing that can happen.
The worst thing that can happenis the original opinion was
(01:09:30):
right.
The best thing that couldhappen is I have some extra
technology or something thathasn't been released yet, or I
know a shape or whatever thatcan save this child's life.
We all have a right to a secondopinion And they took that away
from us and made us a bunch ofdrones.
But I think again, it'll stillbe a 50-50 split.
Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Which is astounding given the amount of evidence
that the government absolutelylied to us.
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Yeah, but we don't see it.
We don't see it.
You know these people get up.
I say this all the time.
Everyone's always a victim ofthe last thing they read, read,
watched or heard.
Yeah.
And so people in the morningthey turn on Morning Joe or
whatever and they just talkabout how great it is, the
vaccinated.
(01:10:17):
And you know a lot of mycolleagues I didn't come out and
say one thing or the other atfirst because I was more
concerned about liability andnot, you know, getting shut down
.
But Ben Shapiro, for example, ilove Ben And he got vaccinated
because he was concerned aboutspending time around his parents
because they were older, yeah,and he, yeah, completely lied to
(01:10:38):
, yeah, and he talked about iton the show and kind of endorsed
the vaccine And it was like youknow.
So there were even people onthe conservative side that still
endorsed it And I just And thething is is my decision had
nothing to do with politics.
My decision said look, i've hadan array of health issues my
whole life.
I'm finally back on track.
(01:10:59):
I don't want to do anything tomess up the kind of balance in
the direction that I'm going.
One little change in pill or,you know, supplement or whatever
could have an impact at thattime.
I'm way better now, but so itwas a personal health decision
for me.
However, i would say 90% of thepeople that decided to do it
were either forced or scaredinto it.
Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I think so.
It's really interestingwhenever patients you know
patients or people that I meetor whatever if I find out
they've had the vaccine, they'relike I didn't want to do it, I
just had to do it for this, thisor this, And it's like they
just immediately sort of have tofeel like they're needing to
apologize, you know, like excusethe decision and justify it.
(01:11:46):
It's really unfortunate becausethey're right.
I mean, they wouldn't have doneit had it had, And some of the
reasons are, you know, moresignificant than others.
You know, just saying you wantto go on a cruise is different
than losing your job and notbeing able to take care of your
family.
But some of these things aretrue.
They're just, they were coerced.
Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, it was a huge.
It was a huge coercion scam.
It was a giant moneymaker forall the politicians.
And the mRNA vaccine The manwho created mRNA has come out
and said this is not the wayit's supposed to be used.
This is bad news.
I'm telling you guys.
I mean when you have that, butthe information is.
(01:12:28):
You know the media iscontrolled by the left and the
information is is completelywrong.
And I just you know it's stillso early.
You know time always provesthings to happen, but you know I
don't see anyone unvaccinating,dropping dead from heart issues
.
Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
No, it's not, it's not happening.
Yeah, thank goodness, thankgoodness.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, but I mean, i think to your point.
People are scared, it's it's,it's a, it's a mob mentality And
, just like you said, you're adoctor and you feel pressured to
vaccinate your youngestdaughter because it's like, how
are they going to?
you know, what are they goingto think, what are they going to
do?
I'm not sure.
I'm just now thinking, you know, it's like the same thing with
these people, it's just peerpressure.
(01:13:11):
Yeah.
And you know, most people arefollowers and that's just kind
of what happened.
They didn't want to be a pariahor not let in somewhere or wear
a mask or you know whatever itwas.
They just wanted to go with thegroup of people.
Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
So most people are followers and I think that there
has actually been toxicities inour diet and in our, in our
like hygiene products and invaccines that have created more
sort of weaker thinkers.
Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, Well, our collective IQ is going down.
Yeah, the collective IQ of thecountry is going down for the
first time.
And interesting that you saythat about consumables.
I mean, like I said, i was inthe business for a long time
Deodorant, for example, yeah, isthe number one cause of tumor
growth for breast cancer.
On the end, it's always theleft breast because they apply
(01:13:59):
more with their right hand.
Oh, wow.
It's filled with parabens andaluminum and you know a lot of
shampoos have a derivative ofagent orange in them And it's a.
it's a good to open up thecuticle to allow the conditioner
to go in.
I mean, i could go on and on.
Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
And fluoride Fluoride is really bad And I mean in the
sort of combination of aluminumfluoride is even worse.
So I would I suggest to mypatients.
You know I talked to them aboutgetting rid of their aluminum
antiperspirant And when I talkedto them about it first they're
just like sort of mortified Noway, i can't do that.
(01:14:38):
I'm like no, you really can.
You know, when you get throughthat detoxification process and
not doing the aluminum, youdon't have the need for
deodorant like you did before.
It's a really interesting thingthat happens.
You don't smell the same, youdon't sweat with food.
Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Well, just like you said it, it's creating a need
that didn't exist before.
Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
The biggest thing that I'm worried about is I was
talking to my buddy, ken Wood,who's a very, very famous
attorney in Texas, and he saidthat he went.
He was in the arguing a case inthe Supreme Court and the
opposition turned in a briefthat was done by AI And it was
citing precedent legal casesthat didn't even exist.
(01:15:25):
Oh yeah, and that is so, Butthat's the law.
You take that into medicine,you know, and you have this
thing starting to recommendprescriptions and recommend you
know stuff to people And youknow maybe they're quoting you,
you know, and quoting me as youjust don't know.
(01:15:46):
And this is what's reallyscaring me.
Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
That the AI thing is.
that is terrifying.
It's not even real information,geez.
Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
No, it's not.
It's not real And it's and it'sgoing to get really bad for the
medical community becausebecause it's going to empower
people with all sorts of stuff.
that is just not true.
Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
And they're going to take leading experts and rework
their words and create.
you know it creates that, thatproblem as well.
So it's you know there's a lotgoing on right now And I just
hope that in the next few yearswe're going to see something
completely different.
Yeah Well.
Pharma needs to be held liable.
You know we need betterunderstanding.
I had no idea that no testingexisted on on the child vaccine
(01:16:37):
recommendations.
That's insane to me, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
So the get the book turtles all the way down.
That's where you can.
It breaks down each individualvaccine and the research that
it's based off of, and theconcept is that they they test
against other vaccines.
I so, ergo, the title turtlesall the way down, um, but it's
(01:17:02):
really interesting that theybreak down the epidemiology, the
actual lack of safety, theactual sort of historical data
of the diseases.
It's a good book, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
You know, i think the problem that happened with all
of that is that we werecomfortable from any all through
the eighties, you know 90,early nineties.
We were comfortable with theseven, eight, 10, you know
whatever.
And then it just blew up.
And then you had all thesepeople that came out as
anti-vaxxers but tied it toautism.
So then they looked.
You know, whether it's true ornot, they were totally painted
(01:17:35):
to be these psychopaths Andsince then you can't even like
have the conversation aboutspreading them out or not doing
this one or that one withoutgetting attitude from the
pediatrician.
Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Oh, i know, Total.
So it's a total paternalisticattitude, um, by most physicians
and even really, um, uh,detrimental to the patient or
their family.
My, um, my sister, has chosennot to vaccinate her beautiful,
(01:18:09):
amazing son.
He's a year and a half And, um,he needed to be seen acutely
for like conjunctivitis orsomething I can't remember what
it was And she took him intourgent care and they brought her
and her husband back in the inthe baby her son, back to her
room, yeah, to tell them thatthey would not see the child
(01:18:33):
because he wasn't vaccinated.
Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Well, this is why you know the company's like the
wellness company and you knowwhere they're.
just non-insurance prescription, you know a subscription based
access to doctors And ultimately, that's going to be the only
direction.
Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, it needs to be free of anagenda, so that care was based.
That decision to not see mynephew was based off of an
agenda, so it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Right, nothing to do with his health.
Did he have a fever, did hehave this?
That didn't matter, it was justhe didn't have that.
So it's a.
It's a theory, an ideal, andnot any science.
Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Correct Yeah, yeah, and, and that's what has
infiltrated medicine, and andit's I'm sure you've heard the
phrase You get the best politics.
In medicine, you get politics.
Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yep.
All right, dr Gessling, ienjoyed this conversation so
much.
You are a wealth of knowledge.
I'm going to have you on manymore times.
I hope you enjoyed being in thelast gay interview studio.
Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I have.
I have particularly enjoyed it.
Actually, It's been really agreat conversation.
You're really engaging and askperfect questions.
Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Oh, thanks, dr McCullis coming on next week,
and then we are going to launcha whole wellness company, laske
conservative partnership, afterthat.
So you kicked it off and I knowmy audience is just going to be
obsessed with you.
So we're really, really lookingforward to working together.
This is Chad Law, reminding youof what Reagan once said We're
(01:20:09):
all going to have to pitch intogether.
But if we refuse, if we go backto the old pattern of business
as usual, then, let there be nomistake, business as usual will
eventually destroy ourprosperity and all the blessings
that has given us.
God bless you, president Reagan, and may God save America.
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