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Discover the enthralling world of "Fourth Wing" by Rebecca Yarros in Episode 8 of the Lazy Girl Library. What happens when a fragile young woman is thrust into a deadly war college for dragon riders by her own mother? We promise you'll be captivated by Violet Sorengale’s journey of navigating life-threatening trials, forging powerful bonds, and uncovering shocking truths. Join us as we discuss our mixed reactions and how the portrayal of the antagonists, dragon culture, and standout moments kept us hooked.

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End:     58:20

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Lazy Girl Library, the podcast, where
reading is a pleasure andcaptivating adventures happen
from the comfort of your couch.
I'm your host, darby, and I'mMikayla, and if you've ever
spent more time rearranging yourbookshelf than your priorities,
then you, my friend, are in theright place.
Hi guys, hello, hello.

(00:32):
Episode 8, june Book Talkcoming at you.
Live, we're back.
I feel like we both have likecrawled out of the depths of
like life lately.
Different, different versions,but like may's been a month it
has.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's been a month.
I feel like you were goingnon-stop for me.
I just reached a point of lowbattery, need a recharge and
here we are crawling back out ofour caves so it's summertime
and we're gonna party.
I'm just kidding we're gonnaread fourth wing.
We're back, let's get into itlet's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm really excited to talk about fourth wing today.
I'm so intrigued to hear yourthoughts.
We it's funny because we bothactually finished this book
probably about like two or threeweeks before we're recording
right now, and so I don't knowabout you, but I have been like
man I have thoughts on discussoh yeah it's kind of fun.
We've got to like sit on it,but there's been anticipation

(01:29):
for us at least to talk about itexactly we try not to talk
about the books before we record, so that way you get all the
fresh ideasand discussion.
Speaking of discussion, so,fourth wing, the book,
description of it.
The back of it it is Enter thebrutal and elite world of a war

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college for dragon riders.
Twenty-year-old VioletSorengale was supposed to enter
the scribe quadrant, living aquiet life among books and
history.
Now the commanding general,also known as her toughest
talons mother, has orderedViolet to join the hundreds of
candidates striving to becomethe elite of Navarre dragon

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riders.
But when you're smaller thaneveryone else and your body is
brittle, death is only aheartbeat away.
Because dragons don't bond tofragile humans, they incinerate
them.
With fewer dragons willing tobond than cadets, most would
kill Violet to better their ownchances of success.
The rest would kill her justfor being her mother's daughter.

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Like Zayden Ryerson, the mostpowerful and ruthless wingleader
in the rider's quadrant, she'llneed every edge her wits can
give her just to see the nextsunrise.
Yet with every day that passes,the war outside grows more
deadly.
The kingdom's protective wardsare falling, failing, and the
death toll continues to rise.

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Even worse, violet begins tosuspect leadership is hiding a
terrible secret.
Friends, enemies, loverseveryone at baskiath war college
has an agenda, because once youenter, there are only two ways
out Graduate or die Dun dun, dun.
Yeah.
So basically that's the book,or at least the description of

(03:15):
it.
We're going to go a little morein-depth about kind of what
happens, but we're going to betalking about our thoughts on
the book, answering some bookclub-esque questions and giving
our final ratings.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, and we got off a little off schedule because of
you know life.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Life happens, but we make our own schedule, baby.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
We do so.
This month May we only had theone episode.
June also going to be a oneepisode month with our book club
for the fourth wing that we'relistening to right now.
But then back in July we'regoing to be picking it back up.
It's going to go back to thetwo.
We're going to announce ourbook club book for July in our

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first episode and so stay tunedfor that, and so we're sorry
that we kind of got off here,but you know we're going to get
back better than ever.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
So thanks for listening.
We'll have another one nexttime.
Warning Book spoilers ahead.
Please head to the descriptionand show notes to find where to
skip to.
You have been warned, but allright, so we're going to try and
summarize or do little sparknotes of the book.
There's a lot in here, so we'regoing to try and summarize or
do little spark notes of thebook.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
There's a lot in here , yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So we're going to leave some stuff out.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
She's a big boy.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, we're going to not include everything, but
we're going to try and get tothe main points.
For those of you who haven'tread, don't care to read it, but
just want to hear lovely voicesso you kind of have an idea of
what we're talking about.
Yeah, so just getting into it,it kind of starts off with.
Well, it does start off withViolet.

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She's the youngest of three andshe has now just turned the age
where she's old enough to go toPazgai.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Is that how you?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
say it Pazgai.
Yeah, I think so War college.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Fantasy words.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, violet originally wanted to be a scribe
like her dad, but her mom,who's the general forces her to
attempt to become a dragon riderbecause everyone besides her
father, I guess goes there.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's really important to her for some reason that
still kind of isn't described,but it's just really, really
important.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, but everyone is really worried for her because
she is super fragile and has alot of health issues and the
Rider's Quadrant is a lot ofphysical tests that could
literally get her killed, likeliterally just to enter she has
to cross like this super.
Basically a balance beam ofdeath.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Like people are like trying to push her off, but like
if you make it across, thenlike trying to push her off and
uh so, but like if you make itacross, then like you make it,
then you're, you can officiallyjoin like the rider's quadrant.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
so just, just to start off, it's not on a good
foot, yeah, but she makes itpast that first test, which it's
called like the parapet um, andshe, when she makes it across,
well, also, while she's goingacross, she kind of makes an
enemy for just like being alive.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
the guy behind her, for some reason, is like I'm
gonna kill you so literally noreason other than she's just
there, not even like for hermother or anything like he
doesn't even know her yet andit's just like targets her.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
So I mean we'll get into that more.
But so he tries to kill her.
She makes it across.
As soon as she makes it acrossshe finds her childhood like
best friend, dane um, who ofcourse she's had a big crush on
um for forever, and he takes herinto his squad to help protect
her he's been like superprotective of her her whole life

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because she's been superfragile.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
So now that she's joined the writer's quadrant
he's trying to do likeeverything in his power to get
her out of the writer's quadrant.
He wants her in the scribequadrant, where she was supposed
to be, so he's going to protecther and try to get her there as
best as he can.
All the while Zayden and all ofthese children of rebellion
leaders that from this rebellionthat happened whatever years

(07:01):
ago, are marked with these liketattoos or like I think they
call them relics, I thinksomething like that.
Um, and are forced to gothrough the trials for the
writer's quadrant too.
But the kicker with that isthey all hate violet's mom
because violet's mom is the onethat executed their parents

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after the rebellion, becausethey lost the rebellion.
So now not only are they forcedto go and try to basically
become a dragon rider or die,but then they also are orphans
because of violet's mom and nowthat violet's there, that she's
target number one, enemy numberone and then also zayden, who's
like the big bad wolf, you know,the head honcho on campus.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
He also ends up being her wing leader, which is like
not like her boss, but like,yeah, like her leader.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
There's four wings which are like groups or squads
and they kind of like break downeven further like military, but
he's basically in charge.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's like the general within the school in a way yeah
, um, and so, like we mentioneddane's overbearing, he's really,
really trying to get her intothe squad, scribe quadrant, um,
like, even though she's violet'slike making it through tests.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
she's kind of getting frustrated with him a little
bit Because she's proving toherself that like, hey, she's
kind of making it further thansome of these other people are.
She's not dying and he's likedoing everything he can to get
her out and she's like but what,if I can do this, why don't you
believe in me?

Speaker 1 (08:35):
She's going through her own little self-discovery
and then also through certaintests that she's passing, she
accidentally finds out thatZayden and the other rebellion
kids are meeting up in secret,which is against the law.
But she keeps it a secretbecause it just seems that he's
helping the younger ones surviveand not planning another

(08:58):
rebellion.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Because I think they can't meet up in anything larger
than three.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
But so Violet, with the help of her friends that she
makes, she trains really hardwith her team.
She makes it to the selectionfor dragons and then, during
kind of the Hunger Games-esquestyle selection, the dragons and
eligible riders.
Well, first the riders likewalk through and the dragons
literally just like.
It's kind of like both, Likeboth riders and dragons kind of

(09:27):
just measure each other up, justlook at each other, and then
after that they go into a HungerGames style center arena type
thing where they get to findtheir match.
But the catch with that isthere's kind of no rules.
So if a rider wants to kill you, they can kill you and not get
in trouble for it.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
although that's pretty, you can kind of kill
each other anytime, but in yoursleep is when you can kill
someone at the college and theonly rule really with it is that
anybody on the outside that'snot trying for a dragon there
already is like connected to adragon, cannot interfere at all
and so during this violet's archnemesis jack, the one who tried

(10:05):
to kill her from the veryget-go, tries to kill her again.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, tries to kill off a smaller dragon, with the
mindset of taking out theweakest link for the good of the
wing.
Um, but violet steps in to savethat dragon and ends up
fighting off jack and some ofthe friends that he's brought.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
But before she does that, um, of course they're kind
of like going through thiswhole like back and forth battle
.
She gets in a few good shots,but it's three against one, so
her odds are not good at thispoint and then the like biggest
badass dragon comes and steps into save both her and the small
dragon and basically, like,kills the people that were there

(10:43):
trying to kill her, other thanJack.
Jack escapes.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
He runs away like a little boy, yeah, and right
before the big dragon comes tosave her.
You do see that Zayden has beenwatching and he takes one step
towards her.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Like he's going to break the rules.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, and then what you find out one of the big
kickers is that that big dragonwhose name is Taryn that's how I
say it and then Andarna, do yousay it that way too.
So Taryn and the small dragonwho she was protecting, they
both bond with Violet, and thatmakes her the first person ever

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to bond with two dragons ever tobond with two dragons.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
And when you bond with a dragon it's like all of a
sudden your minds are kind ofmelded.
You get to hear their thoughtsin your head.
They kind of like it's likeyour souls are intertwined.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
If one of you dies, the other one, essentially, is
going to die.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
You can't live without each other.
You like siphon magic from thedragon too, because they like
kind of feed into that for youto help protect you and whatnot.
Yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Another big thing is that taran also happens to be
mates with zayden's dragon.
Um, so that kind of means thatzayden and violet are bound
together for life because mateddragons have to stay together
which kind of goes against thewhole zayden trying to kill
violet thing for her mom.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
They're enemies.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Um, and then it's.
It's kind of a risk that ifeither of the two people die, or
the dragons die, so does theother, because of the bond with
the dragon.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So they're kind of all four bonded at this point.
Yeah, whether they want to beor not.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, whole big thing .
We find out Sweet and Darna isa baby dragon, and so that's why
she's so small.
And so Violet and Zayden haveagreed they're going to protect
her secret and all other babydragons in the future,
especially because there's fewand far between.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Nobody's ever seen a baby dragon.
That's why nobody realizes thatAndarna is a baby dragon, and
the dragons want to keep it thatway.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, little cutie.
And then there's some more kindof like trials.
At the end of the school yearthey have a war games type thing
where every wing competesagainst each other in a war
scrimmage to prove themselves.
During one of these scrimmages,violet signet from taran, which
is her special magical powerthat manifests from the magic

(13:03):
her dragon gives her, revealsitself finally.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It took like a little while she was like one of the
last ones in her class tofinally have one.
Yeah, because, like the dragons, will siphon magic to the
person so they can do like basiclittle magic things.
But then the signet is whatmanifests from the person and
it's supposed to be based on,based on the person's values,
who they are inside.
It's based on the person, notthe dragon that then takes the

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dragon's magic and manifestsinto this special power that
they have called the signet.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Hers manifests during this trial and she finds out
that she's a lightning wielder,which is a power that has not
been seen in centuries, so it issuper rare.
And she ends out that she's alightning wielder, which is a
power that has not been seen incenturies, so it is super rare.
And she ends up killing Jack solong sucker to save her friend,
using this power, and becomessuper depressed because she
never wanted to kill anyone,Because why would you want to

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kill someone?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And then later some people come in and try to kill
her because they want to takeher dragon, because they didn't
end up being bonded with adragon, but then Zayden steps in
the saver, obviously becausethey now have this life bond
that they have to live with,which then causes lots of big
sexual tension and energybetween them all.

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And then eventually thingshappen.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
The tension snaps and they give in um.
So yeah, zayden and her, they,they do the deed, they do the
deed and they finally kind ofthey're not not enemies, but
they're also they're like not ina relationship, but they're
like friends kind of.
Connected, yeah.

(14:45):
And so the final war game trial.
Violet is in a group withZayden and all the other
Rebellion kids, which shedoesn't notice at first, but
that's just the group that she'sin, and she quickly finds out
that they've been aiding theenemy in the Continent War
that's been raging on, kind ofin the background of this book,

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between the north, which are thedragon riders, and the south,
which are griffin riders, whichI think those are like birds,
more like a hawk style rightit's like um, it's a mythical
creature with like a eagle on,like a lion's body kind of thing
, like eagle, head wings, lion'sbody kind of thing um.

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So then it turns out that shefinds out, um, as they, as she
meets the south, um, that thesouth is not the enemy, but the
venin, venin, vanin, that arecoming from the south.
Um, and our creatures fromfairy tales are real.
That is the real enemy.

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So the vanon are thesecreatures.
She had a book that her dadlike used to read to her.
Um, there's like fairy tale bookyeah, just like bedtime story.
And she loved this book and init were all these so called
mythical creatures.
Um, she ended up not being ableto find the book when she was
looking for it in, like thepublic library that had all of

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the books ever that you shouldever be able to find.
So that's kind of a red flaglike foreshadowing, but it's
real from the fairy tales.
So that's a big thing.
And then Zayden and otherrebellion kids have been giving
weapons to the South to helpfight them like their parents
did, which is what started thiswhole rebellion.

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And then a big kind of shockeris you find out that Dane has
been secretly reading Violet'smemories the whole time through
his signet and knows everythingabout Zayden and Andarna and has
told his dad who's in charge ofthe war games.
Zayden and Andarna, and is toldhis dad who's in charge of the
war games.
So the mission that they wereoriginally sent on for the last
trial of war games was meant totest their loyalty to the north

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or kill them if they tried tohelp the south.
And obviously they're allrebell rebellions, um, and so
they stay to help the south,fend off the venin and their
worben um, a few of the kidsdied.
Very sad it was it heartbreakyes liam dies, but they did

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ultimately save the town andlearned valuable information
about killing them.
Um, violet ends up gettingpoisoned from one of them and
gets she gets a cut from apoison dagger and she is dying.
And they don't, like they'retoo far removed, like they can't
take her back, so zayden takesher to his old home that has
secretly become the hub of thosewho know the truth about the

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venin, so the most powerfulhealer in the land can save her,
and this healer ends up beingher brother who they all thought
was dead and was killed by, Ithink, zayden's father in the
war.
But he's actually part of therebellion itself and with a big
breath I say the end that'sliterally how the book ends so I

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know we missed some informationand that was a little bit of
word vomit, but for those whohaven't read the book in a while
, we kind of wanted to give arecap.
That's our reading recap.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
There's so much more that goes on, so much more
detail and nuance to a lot ofthese different like
relationships or things thathappen.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
But we didn't even touch on Violet's sister, but
she's got a sister she's in thebook great warrior, let's get
into it, darby.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (18:26):
initial thoughts my initial thoughts.
So I was surprised by how muchI liked the book, because I was
really like, like I don't know,I had weird vibes going in, like
I just thought it was going tobe overhyped, but it really kept
me like captured the whole time.
Um, I loved zayden's likevillain portrayal.
I think it's hard to createlike a, a hot villain who isn't

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like cringy, but I think theydid a good job with it and just
like the dialect between him andviolet and like their
relationship.
I I really enjoyed it.
I've also never really read anysort of dragon fantasy book or
books involving dragons like aslike the main thing, so that was

(19:10):
a good switch up for me.
I really I liked it.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Nice, I love dragons.
Yeah, I have different thoughts.
Not surprising I have a lot ofmixed thoughts on the book.
I kind of go back and forth.
I definitely was entertained byit, but I don't think it lived
up to the hype for me.
For me, this book was kind oflike one of those FX movies that

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when you're scrolling throughchannels and you come across it
and you just kind of startwatching, even though you're not
super enthralled by it, it'sstill entertaining and're
enjoying, like while you're likein the moment of it.
That was this book for me.
Okay.
So there's a lot of parts thatI did enjoy about it, but then
there's a lot of things that ifI start thinking too hard about
it, that just start popping allthe bubbles of the fantasy for

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me the more that we get into it.
So it's kind of like the backand forth of it all.
Yeah, um, I definitely thinkthat it the author kind of
frankensteined the idea of itfrom a bunch of different books.
So, like, instead of takinginspiration, I felt very like

(20:20):
I'm taking this from this book.
I'm taking this from this book.
I'm taking this from this bookto make like this Frankenstein,
like this is what's gonna bepopular with readers kind of
book.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I can see that, but for me, I think she like took
inspiration from like the bestparts of fantasy books, so the
things that you really enjoyreading, because a lot of
fantasy books are you got thefemale main character super weak
but yet super powerful, likethe broody guy that's who's a
villain, right, like so in asense, a lot of things are the
same, but I think she took likeyour favorite parts of different

(20:54):
things.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
She definitely took the good parts of it for sure.
Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know,it was just kind of it was a
mixed, mixed feelings okay,we'll get into it more.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, well, what would you say was your favorite
part of the?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
book the dragons.
I love dragons.
They were cool.
It was really cool.
I thought it was well done.
I enjoyed being able to likehear their thoughts through
Violet's mind.
Yeah, that was neat.
Their own opinions, their ownthoughts, not just like kind of
guessing or like based off oftheir like way that they're like

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moving or hold their head, kindof thing.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Like you're actually hearing what's going on.
That was nice.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I enjoyed that part a lot and like how I found it
fascinating, like the quote,unquote dragon culture of it and
how, even though humans kind ofknow that the dragons aren't
charged, even though humans kindof know that the dragons aren't
charged, I think it getsforgotten a lot in the grand
scheme of things, because humansbecome self-absorbed with
themselves in their own societythat they forget that like no,

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the dragons are really runningeverything and making all the
decisions for everything too.
So it was kind of fun to likeknow that and pick up on that
and where it gets kind of likemaybe not lost, makes you think
a little bit more about it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
It's true, it's like, um, like in a zoo, like yeah,
you have the elephants behind acage, but if you go in there and
they don't want to be fed, that, or they're letting you, let
them in right, like they're theones who can take you out
exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I really enjoyed that part.
I also think I really enjoyedlike the action sequences in
this book.
I thought that they were welldone.
They kept me like engaged thewhole time throughout it, even
though a lot of it for me waskind of predictable, like the
outcome, the way it was written,even though it was predictable
still kept me like intriguedwhile I was reading, to like
continue reading.
Yeah, so I enjoyed that part aswell.

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What about you?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
um, I think it maybe when the dragons pick her, like
when she bonds with them andthey find out that she has two,
like that was just like Iremember reading that and at the
, I think it's like right at theend, where you find out it's
both, and I'm like like Iremember gasping being like dude
, they're going to freak out,and so that was really fun and I

(23:07):
liked the whole chaos thatensued, you know, and it was a
reminder that the dragons are incharge Exactly.
So it was just like a fun moment, because it's like okay, now I
want to hear from everyone'sperspective of, like, what does
Dane think of it?
What does Zayden think of it?
Like, at the time it's like arethe dragons like friends?

(23:32):
Do they not know each other?
Are they fighting for her?
Like you know, there's so many.
So it was fun.
I was like what is going tohappen?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I would love to know what was going on in her mom's
brain throughout this whole book, but really especially during
this part with the two dragons.
I would give anything a pennyfor her thoughts.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I also really liked like the fight scenes which
Frank kind of gave, likeDivergent, when they're fighting
in the little like squares,like that's kind of what I was
picturing.
Like when they're like.
I never read Divergent I didn'teither, but I'm talking about
the movie.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Oh, I didn't watch the movie either.
Oh, the movies were good.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, also don't hate on me for watching the movie
and not reading the book, butanyway, we're watching the movie
, not reading the book, butanyway, um, I've been sold but
it so I was just picturing, likethat, where they're like
fighting, and so I liked thosefighting sequences, especially
the one where zayden isbasically like taunting her and
takes away all of her daggerslike that's just one that like
it makes me like giddy.

(24:27):
I'm like, oh my gosh, likeyou're so dumb.
Yeah, you thought you couldtake it like I don't know.
It was just, I liked that oneyeah, that was good.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Did you have a least favorite part?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I did and it's kind of a character dane to me.
It was just a bit yeah, it wasjust too overbearing to the
point that I couldn't root forhim because it's like, if you're
supposedly her best friend youguys have been childhood friends
Like wouldn't you trust her andlike, yeah, sure, like stick to

(24:59):
the rules.
But like everyone has abreaking point, like it was
almost unrealistic howoverbearing he was and I get
it's fantasy, everything'sunrealistic.
But just from a personalityperspective of friends, like
okay, we get it.
And like it's not like she was,was like maybe I should be a
scribe, like she was telling him, like I think I can do it, like

(25:20):
so he just annoyed me.
His character and what stinksis like he had potential to,
especially like in the beginningit wasn't that bad.
I'm like okay, yeah, I cangrasp the whole possible love
triangle thing, but then she soquickly turns it around of like
okay, no, he's gonna annoy youand maybe that was her intention
.
Like maybe she wanted you toreally just like Zayden, but it

(25:40):
was by the end of it.
I was like, okay, yourcharacter just like sucks, but
not even in, like you're notadding as much to the story,
like I don't know, he just Ididn't love him no, I agree, he
was a hundred percent one of myleast favorite parts about this
book too.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Definitely one of the most annoying characters I've
ever read like hands down.
But he had potential to be asexist.
He did.
I totally see it.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I totally understand what you're saying there.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I'm like gosh.
He could have been.
Yes, he could have been better.
It's the depth of it.
She didn't give him enoughdepth to make him more
compelling.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, he was just too flat, annoying, or even like I
think it would have been betterif, like sure, he mentioned
ascribe a couple of times and hewas a little overprotective,
but not as much.
And then at the ending, whenyou find out the betrayal, it
would have hit harder.
But the amount of times that hewas like I follow the rules, we
can't kiss, we can't doanything.
And then it was like no, I'vebetrayed you.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's like obviously we saw that coming, like you're
not slick like, yeah, I don'tknow he could have been.
He could have been better.
Yes, no, I 100 agree.
Yeah, he most annoying thing.
I'm not even gonna try to go.
You covered it all um my.
My other least favorite partswas the constant mention of like
, how breakable and fragileviolet is.
Like, I get it, she's little,she's skinny, she's not why like

(26:57):
right they like barely mentionit in the beginning of the book
how it's like she had thesickness, which is why her hair
is silver, no matter what like Idon't we need more.
Yeah, there was the foundation,yep it makes no sense, but it
was just, it's like I get it.
You need to set her up that way, but the constantness of of it
I'm like I get it, move on, Idon't care anymore.

(27:18):
Clearly she's not that fragileanymore either.
She's doing what the conditionis.
You're just saying she's weak,like right, but she's not
because she's got a big dragonright exactly.

(27:39):
Yeah, oh, that was I get you,yeah so annoying.
Um, I also did not appreciateafter.
Violet was like, uh, bonded toher dragon.
Like all rules just fell offfor her at that point, I feel
like because she was still afirst year and zayden was a
fourth year, right?
Or a third, third, third year.
Yeah, there's only three.
She was still a first year, hewas a third year and he's the

(28:02):
wing leader, so like in amilitary setting, like he is
like in charge kayla comes froma military family.
I am maybe, maybe that's whythis triggered me so much,
because like there's supposed tobe order and structure and I
get it.
Like it's it's a fictional book, I understand and like to have
some sort of rebellion, I get it.
But she was very blatantly justlike throwing her attitude

(28:22):
around, like I don't appreciatethis and you shouldn't be doing
this, you shouldn't be doingthat to zayden, like leave me
alone.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Blah, blah, blah uh no, okay, I will say, though,
don't you think you would go alittle like power trippy, though
, at the fact that she now knows?
Like okay, he can't kill mebecause he dies too?
Like right, you feel a littlemore ease to be able to like
talk to him the way you want,because it's like, what are you

(28:49):
gonna do?

Speaker 2 (28:50):
like yes, but it's not even about killing her
anymore.
At that point it's like you'reat a war college there is order
and structure, the fact that youhave zero consequences it's not
even like dying.
It's like there's zeroconsequences or backlash for you
acting out.
So what's keeping everybodyelse in line?
Like why is it that only youcan get away because you're like
you know, zayden's favoritekind of thing?

(29:11):
Like yeah, oh, oh, thatbothered me so much.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, I guess when, like, Liam was introduced as the
bodyguard is kind of when itreally like rules fell off.
But I don't know, because Ikind of get her.
If someone was following mearound, I'd be like, okay, I'm
throwing temper tantrums now.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh no, I totally get that, but I think it was group
settings.
Because it's like if you'retalking to him one-on-one and
telling him all this and likehaving that by all means set him
in his place, like have theattitude, be sassy with him, but
when they're in like militaryformation in the fronts, like
getting ready to go and do likewhatever war game things that

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are going on, and she's talkingto him like that in front of the
squad, no, you can't do thatand get away with that,
absolutely not.
It bugged me real bad.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.
It definitely did not bug melike it bugged you, but I can
see where you're coming from.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, so that was that rubbed me the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
But also by the end of it, like their squad is so
close.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Like you, like, they're talking about so many
things already, but there'sstill a level of I guess that,
like here's definitely yourmilitary background.
It's the respect of it andthat's the key that gets to me,
because even like with likeimogen um would like talk back,
but there's still like a levelof respect in the hierarchy of
where they stand.
Like you can still buddy buddy,you can still state your case.
You can still buddy-buddy, youcan still state your case.
You can still like giveperspective or try to like push

(30:36):
back on things, but like what'ssaid is said, what's done is
done, and there's a level ofrespect for the order of it.
And Violet got away with havingnone of that and that's the
part that really just kind ofirked me.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I guess I don't know Small things that bother me,
like lash out a little bit Right, that would at least made it
better.
But because it was only Violet,kind of being like comfortable
yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
After getting the dragon yeah, that.
Ugh, ugh.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
All right, Lieutenant Michaela.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Speaking of dragons.
So, and Darna said that signetsreflect, kind of like the rider
, who the rider is like at theircore.
So what do you think likelightning?
How does that reflect violet,do you think?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
um, I really didn't think about that much while
reading it, but I don't know.
I would assume just likestereotypical fantasy stuff,
like she's the weak femalecharacter, so she has to be
ridiculously powerful in otherways, um, but yeah, I think that
is one of the only things thatmakes like I don't know, I

(31:41):
didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I completely agree, but it's frustrating for me and
my brain because I can make theconnections for a lot of these
other people that I know theirsignets of.
So, like dane, being able to goback 15, whatever seconds, 15
minutes, I don't remember, it's15, something, um, in somebody's
memory like makes sense becausehe's like the rule follower and
like he wants to know what'sgoing on at all times.
He wants the control of it all.

(32:02):
So like at his core, that madesense to me.
Zayden having like theseridiculous shadow powers,
because he's hiding in theshadows, he's hiding this
rebellion, he's protecting allthese people in the shadow.
So like that makes sense forhim at his core.
Where does lightning come infor violet?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I don't understand how that connected and I would
really love the author'sexplanation on this well, but I
think it's kind of like whatyou're saying, like she's so
weak she's trying to be strong.
It's like this is now her wayof being able to be strong and
powerful maybe and also itprobably plays into like like
zayden calls her violence, likeshe has no trouble like

(32:37):
poisoning other people, like shehas, like she does have, like,
not like violence tendency, butlike she's got a little oomph in
her that you don't think about.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
I just feel like I don't know, maybe it's not
needed, but like her in her corethey keep talking about, like
her brain, her knowledge, herlike how she can think through
things ways that nobody else canbecause she was trained to be a
scribe.
So I would have imagined, likea signet being something that
like amplifies that for I don'tknow what it would be, but like
something that's like related tothat in some way, because I
feel, like they.

(33:06):
The author did such a good jobof like portraying like that is
her at her core and like whatsets her apart, what makes her
strong when she seems weak, isher mind.
That's why um taryn, likebonded with her, is because of
her mind, to then all of asudden have lightning.
I'm like I'm not saying thatit's wrong, I just want an
explanation why, like how didthat connect?
Where did that come from?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I feel like her mind, though, helps her in more
tactical settings, um like moreusing her brain and like the
strategizing, but I think thewhole point of her becoming a
rider is like she's developingand growing in such a different
way that she's never eventhought she'd be able to do.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's a fair point so I think that kind of adds to
like her having this now likeshe never thought she would even
live to where she is, and nowshe's got this big power and now
she can use it.
Once she hones in on it, shecan use her tactful mind to be
like what's the who to take outfirst, like I guess that's how I
rationalize it.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, that makes sense, that's true.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's a very good point yeah, what signet did you
find most beneficial, and whichone would you want?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
there were a lot of really good ones thrown out
there I had to look them up.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
It had been a little while since I read it so I had
to, like look them up, but theywere.
They varied a lot, which wasnice, because sometimes it's
like like earth, air fire rightlike mine, read like it's like,
you get four you know this had alot they did.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
They had a lot of variation, a lot of new ones
that were kind of thrown inthere and I so there were a lot
that I think that would bereally beneficial.
I don't know which one would bethe most beneficial, but the
one that I kind of enjoyed orlike the idea of the most, was
violet's sister how she's ableto shield yeah um for a certain

(34:52):
area, because surface level likeokay, whatever it's protection.
But in the book, when they talkabout going through like the you
know war scenario with her,when she's up there like
teaching them um and like whatif this happens, what would you
do?
The way that they were able touse her shielding as like a
tactical thing in the air aswell and not just like a

(35:14):
protecting the fortress, Ithought was an interesting take
on it and like adds kind of adifferent dynamic to it that I
found intriguing.
So I liked that one a lot yeahwhat about you?
Is that?

Speaker 1 (35:26):
well, is that the one that you would want to have?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
no, the one I would want to have was the mind
reading.
Okay, of course.
Are you surprised, darby?
I think you couldn't guess.
Um, although I will say it'sthe one that gets everybody
killed.
So, shocker, I want that one,but, um, but because it's like
the most information you can getout of people.
But I would want a way to turnit off like I wouldn't want it.

(35:49):
If there's no way to turn it,almost like danes right kind of,
but he only, but his is verylimited versus like the one kid
who, poor kid, who actually hadlike the mind reading and he
reminds me of bruce almightywhen he's getting all the
prayers and like I don't thinkit's so much.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Oh my gosh, it's so funny, so good.
Love jim carrey.
Watch it tonight after thiseveryone has to watch it.
If you haven't watched itanyway, continue.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
It won't make sense to you now it's uh, I just I
maybe there is a way to control.
I'm sure that there is a way tocontrol it.
And for him it was just toooverwhelming in that moment when
he like was like got the signetpower, but where you're like
looking at everybody and all ofa sudden you're having
everybody's thoughts in yourhead.
I'm sure it's like superoverwhelming.
So I would want a way to likelearn how to control it so I'm

(36:34):
not having to like listenconstantly to everybody's
thoughts.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
But that's the one I would want it would be cool if
in one of the future books onthe rebellion side we see
someone who got that signet butno one knew.
Yeah, and they know how to useit.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
That'd be cool foreshadow, maybe, maybe,
rebecca call me um.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I thought that the mending like healing signet
would be the most powerful andbeneficial, especially in war.
Yeah, that's very true.
Um, yeah, I just think like itmakes sense.
Yeah, yeah it's pretty lesspeople die yeah I think the
shadow one would be neat andyou're trying to like sneak
around, I guess.
I don't know.
It was hard for me to pick.

(37:17):
There's a lot of them, but forsome reason I was just being
pulled to shadows.
I think we should take a signetquiz and then post our results
on the instagram at lazy girllibrary.
Yes, so maybe we'll do thatafter.
If you're listening to this,then that means it's we've done
it, so it will will be on.
Go check out our stories orarchived stories on our profile

(37:39):
so you can take the quiz and wecan find out what you are and
what your signet is, we'll findone.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
We'll post the link.
Check it out.
Yeah, because we'll be curiousto see what everybody else is
too.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, but I am nervous to take it because like
spoilers for future signetsmaybe.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
That's true.
Spoilers for future Cygnusmaybe.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's true, I don't know.
Yeah, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
What do you think her second one will be?
Because now she has two right,so her Cygnus from Terran is
lightning and Darna, becauseshe's not a full dragon, she can
give over power of freezingtime.
But they explain that that'snot necessarily her.
True, like that wouldn't belike the signet power that

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violet's getting, that's justlike her fletchling, like powers
that she's able to like giveover in that time, so like it
could change, it could not asshe gets older and like is able
to like wield another signet Ifeel like and I'm totally just
hypothesizing I feel like theauthor originally had freezing
time as the signet, but thenwent back and edited it to be

(38:40):
maybe, maybe not, so that in thefuture, if she needs it to
change or be something else, itcould.
I don't know Interesting takeyeah.
I think the time is cool and Ithink that it would be, but then
the signet is based on theperson, not the dragon, so I'll
be curious to see, or if sheeven gets a second one.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Maybe that's when her mind stuff comes in True, like
brain stuff, photographic memory.
I don't know, but that could be.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Or just like I don't know, like the brain stuff, like
the general, how he's able tosee the outcome of like a war
before it happens, or like abattle or something before it
happens, or like a battle orsomething before it happens.
I don't know, and there's somany possibilities for her I
feel like with that it's cool doyou think zayden was justified
in keeping his secrets of aidingthe enemy?
uh, yes, absolutely 100 this.
This was another thing thatkind of irked me a little bit

(39:27):
her initial frustration of himnot telling her.
Totally understand, I get it.
He lied you knew this is a bigshocker, big surprise.
You thought you he could trustyou, like with his secrets kind
of thing.
I understand the initialfrustration.
However, when we got to thevery end of the book, she's
healed and she's still like no,I can't trust you.

(39:48):
I thought that we were in lovebut then you held out this big
secret from me like I don't knowhow I feel about you now, still
so angry out him.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I would have been like vanden vernon or real or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
That'd be my first thought I'm like are you kidding
me?
No, that I just.
It was so frustrating becauseit's like she's so narrow-sided
on their love versus thinkingabout the bigger picture and how
it literally has nothing to dowith her.
It has everything to do withhim having to shoulder this
burden of taking care of allabout you, exactly.

(40:22):
It's not all about you, violetthink about the bigger picture,
think about all the people thathe's protecting.
Just because he can trust youdoesn't mean that everybody else
can trust you, or thateverybody else does trust you.
So he's having to protect theirsecrets for them too.
That's not his call to make ontheir behalf Just because you
guys fell in love and decided tohave, you know, some spicy
times together, no, someelectric lightning.

(40:44):
Oh my gosh.
It was so dramatic, though Ijust it was so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
His only perception of Violetin the beginning is that her mom
killed his dad.
There's no reason for him totrust her, Even if he, like,
felt a certain way like therewas no reason.
Well, and.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I feel like sorry, if you can hear.
I have an ice cream truck goingby.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
I really want to go down there.
We have an ice cream truck thatcomes into our apartment, but
it's like, instead of I reallyhope you guys can hear the sound
, but it's um, it's not like anormal ice cream truck sound
that ours does, it's like a trapice cream truck like that.
That's literally the only way Ican explain it.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So what's ironic is they came through earlier today
too, so this is the first timethey've ever come out really
well and they're like all rightyeah this is our best stop, um,
but hopping back in it.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, he had no reason to trust her and like,
sure, maybe as it progressed heshould have or could have told
her, like, maybe after theyfinally like did the deed, like
that's when you would think thatyou could be most comfortable
with each other and vulnerable,and maybe you could tell her
then right.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
But but also, too, it's like she's also thinking
that, again, everything's allabout violet, everything's
centered around violet.
What if it had nothing to dowith how much you can trust her,
but everything about what otherpeople can get from her too,
because that's also like, whatabout her mom being able to,
like I don't know, takeinformation from her dane?
clearly can read her mind, andZayden could like see right

(42:17):
through Dane, so that's probablya huge part of it too, so it
literally could have hadabsolutely nothing to do with
how much he trusts you and haveeverything to do with outside
circumstances for that as well.
Yeah, again, I get the initial.
It's the longevity of it thatjust why, violet?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
What about T longevity of it?
That just why violent.
What about taryn?
Him keeping the secret too?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
um, I feel like they didn't really put him in between
a rock and a hard place on thatone, because, on one hand, it's
like the agenda for likedragons, like what you believe
in, and like you want to helpout that cause and like make
sure that everything is stayinglike secret and safe because of
outside factors that couldpotentially cause issues, but at
the same time, you're bonded tothis person, you have this,

(42:57):
you're sharing the same mind to,so that try to like keep
something from her that big,that like can affect her too.
I feel like I don't know whichway.
I feel like I understood him.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
If either way he went , yeah, there really was no
right way for him well, I thinktaryn, like he has his own soul
and he can make his owndecisions, but I think, like I
respect him for reallysupporting his mate, like he's
supporting his mates flyer, yeah, um.
So it's like almost not evenfor zayden, but for his mate, um

(43:29):
, but it would have beeninteresting if he had spilled
the beans.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
That would have been an interesting dynamic.
Would she have kept it in andkind of observed him?
Probably not.
No, because that doesn't seemlike her character.
Or would she have blown up onhim?
Would she have gone to Dane andtold him?
It would have been justinteresting.
But I'm not mad that they keptit from her.
But if they hadn't, it justwould have been a different

(43:55):
story.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Side note that I started thinking about while
we're talking about this, withZayden and Violet and their love
story, I feel like she gotattached so quickly.
There was the sexual tension,there was the release of the
sexual tension and all of asudden it's like I'm absolutely
in love with this person and Ineed to spend every waking

(44:19):
moment, moment, rest of my lifewith this person and get super
upset that they're not at thesame place that she is, because
it was like a flip of a switchfor her.
Yeah, like that just happenedreal quick for you and that
doesn't happen for everybodyelse.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I feel like it was like like instant love.
Yeah, I think they did.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
The author did a really good job with like the
build-up, but after the releasethen it was kind of like yeah,
instant love.
All of a sudden You're likewait a second.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, which could have been better if Dane wasn't
so annoying.
She could have not been in somuch love because there could
have been some more thinkingbehind it.
Dane, yeah, I also.
I don't know when is the bestpart to say this, but it just
popped in my mind.
I don't know when is the bestpart to say this, but it just
popped in my mind when thedragons were like getting it on
and she was like in that lusthaze.

(44:58):
It reminded me of Tamlin duringthe True, that's all I could
think of.
Calamite, yeah, yeah, duringCalamite, all I could think of
was like this is what that feelslike right now.
That's so true, it was I mean itwas good.
It so, Drew, it was.
I mean it was good.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
It was funny, that is funny.
Oh, poor Zayden in that moment.
How do you handle that?
He handled that like a champ,though I will say he did.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
But it was perfect, though, like if they had done it
like, that wouldn't have beenas like good.
Yeah so like it, just it addedto the tension.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
It did it was dragons , though, so every year we learn
less.
Dragons are bonding.
So do you think that, like thenevarians, politics are at play?
Do you think that they justfollow, like the allegiances of
whoever their writer is, or doyou think the writers will feel
the support for their cause thatlike?

(45:48):
So the dragons like choose whothey think would like help them
in that way?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
this is a good question.
I think they choose writersbased on their feelings about
the other person and how theirvalues align, because that's
kind of what andarna and tarynbasically say, like they just
saw it in her um, so at least inviolet's case.

(46:14):
But I am sure that it varies, um, just like humans varies, I'm
sure dragons vary on theirreasonings for choosing.
Like.
I don't think all dragons arealike, because if they were,
then jackson or whatever wouldhave never gotten picked by
anybody.
You know like, yeah, but he didhave a dragon, so what did that

(46:35):
dragon see in him?
You know, so I think it varies.
But they prioritize the good,powerful ones.
Yeah.
What's inside a person?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
yeah I think, yeah, there's a.
I think there's a lot thathumans don't know and may never
know about the inner workings ofdragons, and we kind of touched
on this already, so I'm notgonna go too in depth.
But it mentions like multipletimes that even though it feels
like the writers are in controlof the dragons, that it's like
not even close to the case, likeobviously, like they wanted to

(47:05):
control whether violet can havetwo dragons or not, but
ultimately the dragons are theones that are making that
decision and they just have todeal with whatever that decision
is, and I think that that getsforgotten a lot, um, and so I'm
sure that, yeah, like you said,they probably align with whoever
like aligns with what theirreasons for deciding to bond are
.
So if, like for jack's um dragonwas probably bonded to him

(47:28):
because they he was looking forsomebody that's like super
strong and ruthless, and soobviously that's jack versus
like taran was looking forsomebody that's like super
strong and ruthless, and soobviously that's Jack versus
like Taryn was looking for, ornot even looking, but just
appreciated like Violet'sefforts to save Indarna, and so
therefore, like was able to bondwith her in that way, and I'm
sure Zayden's dragon bonded withhim because, like, she felt for

(47:52):
their cause and wanted help,and so, therefore, that that's
how they could bond, yeah, soI'm sure, yeah, there's a lot of
probably different ways that,yeah, they all have their
different agendas.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
yeah I am curious how much more the dragons know than
the humans and what the dragonswant to happen like.
Like do the dragons know bothsides, like the north and the
south?
Like can the dragons talk toworven?
Like do the dragons know wherethere are other mythical
creatures that are alive?
Like, right, I'm sure they knowmuch more than the humans.

(48:22):
And like, what do they chooseto share?
What do they don't?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
right.
Well, it's kind of this getsinto like our next question.
So the quote is dragons, don'tmake mistakes.
What do you think GeneralMelgrin's dragon gifted this?
Why do you think GeneralMelgrin's dragon gifted the
Separatist children a relic thatwould block his own rider from
seeing them?
I feel like this gets into whatyou were about to say, which is

(48:47):
why I wanted to throw that inthere.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well, I mean, in essence, I just think the dragon
must support the Separatistcause, Like it's kind of the
only explanation that makessense to me but it go to your
point that you were making itkind of.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It makes you think, like, how much do the dragons
see and know?
How do they want to impact thewar?
Yeah, and how are they likemanipulating things on their
side that the humans aren't evenaware of?
Yeah, yeah, no, I definitelyagree.
I think it's.
Yeah, it's fascinating how,like the dragons choose to bond,
or like how this dragonspecifically chose the bond with

(49:20):
the general but then undermineshim in such a big way.
So it makes you think, like wasit all part of the plan
originally so he can like be inhis mind and know what's going
on, like from the general, likeperspective of everything that's
going on in the north to helpfigure out the south, and like
undermine where needed or helpwhere needed.
Or was the general initially onthe cause and that's why they

(49:43):
bonded, but then things changed.
But then, once you're bonded,you can't really unbond without
causing massive destruction tothe dragon, so then he's like
helping out on different ways.
I don't know, but definitelygets into your point it's
interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It is interesting too , and it's, I find it
interesting that a rider can die, but the dragon won't.
I wonder if a dragon wantedtheir human to live without them

(50:20):
if they could, like, siphon offthe rest of their powers to
them to let them live orsomething like like it.
Just to me it's kind of likelike a loose end of like okay,
why can the dragon live, butthen the human can't?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
like what I don't know I'm sure it has something
to do with the magic, but that'sa really valid point is like if
the dragon gave up all itsmagic to the human to live and
the dragon dies.
Would that work?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
yeah, curious and curious I know you are often
able to think of endings.
I am not not, but what of thelike, reveals or plot points did
you see coming, and were thereany that you were surprised by?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
There was one, I was.
This is a pretty predictablebook for me.
I've said that before.
I was able to see a lot of itcoming, like the brother being
alive, zayden helping out thecause, the Venom being real was
made pretty obvious that.
But the one thing and it's kindof I have to explain it a

(51:22):
little bit because it was for methe one thing that got me was
dane reading, uh, violet'smemories.
But not that he did, because I,like you, saw that coming when
they left for the initial wargame, when they were going down,
and then everything went downat the very end of the book with
like the reveal right andthat's how they ended up in that
position or you can kind of seeit when, like he wants to read

(51:44):
her mind with that girl andshe's like no right, exactly.
So you kind of like you knewwith that happening, you knew it
was going to come and that'show they got set up with the
either, you know, leave thesouth or and show your
allegiance to the north, or helpthe north and or help the south
and die, kind of thing.
Um, that's how they got put inthat position is because dane

(52:05):
read by his memory, so that partwasn't surprising me.
But the shocking part that kindof, was the realization that
hit that the author makes youthink is how many times
throughout the story did theauthor intentionally mention
dane touching her face?
Yeah, and how many times he wasactually reading her memories
and how much does he really knowabout so much more?

(52:27):
That was the realization of aoh, wait, a second, because then
you're going back in your brain.
You're like wait, but then.
But then what about this?
And like how, about how manytimes?
And like that was the big onethat got me for this book.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
that's true, that that's true.
I feel similarly.
I was not surprised at herbrother living at all.
Yeah, that was like one of myleast favorite parts about the
book is I feel like the endingwas so hyped about like you're
not going to see it coming.
It was like no, I totally sawit coming.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
And then it also didn't surprise me that Zayden
supported the South, like fromthe moment they all met up and
she's in the trees like theyobviously are up to have us,
yeah, or like he's coming inwith like the two other people
from like flying missions andstuff like you know like where,
where's he going?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
yeah, come on Violet, like use that scribe brain of
yours.
Where's he going, blinded bylove?
Yeah, um, I will say I wassurprised by one, like bonding
with two dragons.
Like that was fun, and then, aswell as the fairy tale creatures
not them being real that wasn'tsurprising.
But that the North isn'tsharing that information, true,

(53:33):
so like it's a war college, theyliterally one of their classes
is talking about what's going onand what they would do to stop
it, and so obviously they'llprobably get into it more in the
next book.
But it's like what is at playthat they're like.
Why aren't they saying it?
Because they touch like in thedescription of the book of like
leadership might be up tosomething, but we still don't

(53:54):
actually know.
Besides, them like withholdingthe information, we don't know
why.
So that kind of surprised me alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
um of just like huh like why would you like erase
this from history if it'sclearly a problem that?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
could potentially affect you in the future and
like maybe do you think that'swhy dragons aren't bonding,
because you're not giving yourriders enough information, like
you're giving them like kind ofdummies, like they don't know
what's going on in the world.
True?
Very valid points yeah,question for you with your mixed
feelings do you think you'llread the rest of the series as
it comes out?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
so I did buy the second book.
I own the second book.
I'm gonna read the second bookuh, past that will depend on how
the second book goes because Ireally debated whether I wanted
to or not.
I enjoyed it for what it wasbut I'm like, is this really
something I want to continue andget into?
I wasn't so sold, but whatreally got me was the really

(54:50):
mixed reviews of the second book.
I feel like the people if youtake the people who loved Fourth
Wing like absolutely loved anddevoured Fourth wing as a group,
you split them in half.
Half of them felt the sameexact way about this second book
.
The other half hated it likethey had such and it's like such
strong feelings on oppositeends of the camp for this which

(55:12):
is interesting because younormally don't look at reviews
beforehand well, it's not eventhat I was looking at reviews.
It was well before we eventalked about reading fourth wing
when the second book came out.
I just remember on tiktokpeople constantly talking about
it.
So I know absolutely nothingabout what's going on, other
than people were super, were ineither one camp or the other.
They either absolutely hated itand were like why did you do

(55:34):
this?
What did you do?
Like you totally ruined it, orabsolutely loved it and found it
like super interesting and likeare excited to read the rest of
the series.
So that intrigued me enough.
I'm kind of curious like okay,what did she do?
That was so polarizing, so Idid buy the second book.
I'm going to read the secondbook.
We'll see how I feel, whichcamp I end up in or if maybe I
make my own.
That's not uncommon for meeither as to whether I'm going

(55:57):
to continue to continue theseries.
But as to whether I'm going tocontinue, continue the series,
yeah, but that's my two cents.
What about you, darby?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, I'm going to read it.
I like, thoroughly enjoyed it,and I want to know what happens.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
It was very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, I didn't like I knew it wasn't going to be no
Sarah Jane Mass, but even withthings being like predictable
one, I like I think I dumb mybrain down when I read.
Anyway, so like everything wasgreat for me.
I really enjoyed it.
I really liked like thecharacters besides Dane and like

(56:27):
how they're written and thedialogue and stuff.
So I want to learn more.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
So like what was your start rating?
Final thoughts.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I gave this book a 4.7.
A solid fantasy, though similarto others.
It was like puzzled togethervery well, um, and kind of like
I just said.
Besides, dane, I enjoyed thecharacters and their motives.
It made me giggle at times,made me gasp, it made me say
like knew it.
But yeah, um, it was a goodbook.
I really liked it.

(56:55):
I was a little overhyped atleast the ending ending was but
it was good.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
How about you?
Three stars for me?
So just because, yeah, I likedparts of it and I didn't like
other parts of it.
So, yeah, I did enjoy theaction, the world building, the
magic system is really cool withthe dragons, and it was a well
thought out book.
Like it didn't have any likeimmediate plot holes for me or

(57:23):
anything Like it flowed well,like it was fairly well written
in my opinion, but the contentof it itself sometimes got
really frustrating or just kindof felt unoriginal a lot Like
I've already seen this, I'vealready read this kind of thing.
I'm not going to go back into it, just talked about a lot of the
things that I didn't like.
But I will say with this book Ithink it is a fantastic

(57:44):
introduction to romanticy.
So if you're somebody who kindof wants to try and dabble in
like the fantasy romanticy realmit's maybe not like what you
typically read this is afantastic introductory book into
that genre.
I feel like it's not toooverwhelming with any of the
like crazy worlds or the magicsystem or anything.
It's easy to understand, um,and it'll give you a really good

(58:08):
idea of what to expect movingforward in the genre and as you
get deeper and further into it,to decide whether, like this is
for you or not.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, so that's my two centsfourth wing.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
We did it.
I feel like we were so behindon this, like.
I feel like everyone and theirmother has already read this but
we did it.
We finally read it.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
And now we're going to get to the second book and
then we'll be all caught up foranything else that happens.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
No, spoilers for us?
Nope.
So yeah, that was fourth wing.
A little podcast reminder,podcast reminder.
This is going to be our onlyepisode for june, but we shall
be back to our regular,regularly scheduled program in
july with a fun book topicepisode and then another new
book club book but we'llannounce that book club book
there in that first episode injuly.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
So stay tuned.
If you have any recommendationsfor us moving forward books,
books you want us to read, youwant to read along with us, let
us know.
Reach out to us on Instagram atLazy Girl Library.
You can also reach out on ourwebsite, lazygirllibrarycom.
We want to hear from you.
Give us all the recommendations.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
And I think we've done kind of enough book club
books and borrows and returnsthat you guys might have an idea
of what we like and what wedon't like.
Or if there's something thatyou've never heard us talk about
that you want to know if welike or don't like, send us
those recommendations so we canlearn and find out Absolutely.
But on that note of borrows andreturns, what are your borrows
and returns, mikayla?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
So, not a lot, so it's going to be a quick one for
me again, but I do actuallyhave a return.
Um, I did, I mean yes, but um,my returns.
This time I did finish wild bycheryl strayed.

(59:54):
I gave it four stars.
I thought it was really welldone.
I did it on audio.
Um, it got kind of long-windedat some points for me, um, and
the ending I was.
I guess it was more of anexpectations thing for me, where
I was expecting more of like amoral of the story, like, uh,
gain something from this for memyself.

(01:00:15):
Yeah, but that's not on theauthor, because she didn't
really promise that.
I guess that's just kind ofwhat I was expecting from all
the hype of it.
But it really is just her storyand what she gained from this
experience.
And it is an amazing experiencewhere she goes and hikes the
Pacific Crest Trail all the wayfrom New Mexico up to Oregon by
herself as a woman.
Incredible story, incrediblejourney.

(01:00:36):
Really enjoyed listening to itand hearing all, all the
adventures and crazy things thatwent on.
So I do recommend it, um, butit's not a self-help book, so if
you have that expectation goinginto it, kind of like I did,
thinking it was like a memoirself-help book.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
It's not I think that's good to know like it's
very much more.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
It's a, it's a true memoir.
This is her story kind of thing, but with that in mind, still
really really good.
I'm currently reading finallyagain getting into it cersei by
madeline miller.
I'm about after it.
I am I'm loving it.
So far, I'm about halfwaythrough, really really happy
with this book.
It's I love her writing.
Her writing is phenomenal.

(01:01:15):
It's so well done, um, and it'sfun for me because I used to be
a huge greek mythology nerdgrowing up, um, especially like
middle school not not a bad like, but I can see that.
Oh, it's, it was my thingespecially middle school, early
high school.
Like I loved reading like, evenjust like quote-unquote
non-fiction.
Obviously mythology still isfiction but um, books about it

(01:01:38):
so.
But I've been out of it for awhile.
So it's kind of fun going backand reading this and like
pulling back the memories from,uh, all the different myths and
like trying to make thoseconnections before she makes the
full circle connection withthem all and like who this
person is within whatever mythis.
Like going on, so I'm enjoyingit so far, so finally getting
into it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That's good.
I think think you and Joshshould be dressed up as Greek
goddesses.
Oh for Halloween, that would befun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
That would be fun.
I'll have to convince him towear a toga, but it shouldn't be
too hard.
He was Tinkerbell when you wereso young.
There's no convincing, you'reso right.
In case you didn't catch that,I think it was two years ago.
For Halloween, josh and I wentas Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, but
I was Peter Pan and he wasTinkerbell, so you're right.
Getting him to wear a togashould not be all that difficult

(01:02:27):
.
I don't think that'll be hard.
Anyway, what are you reading?
What are your bars and returns?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I kind of got like You're killing it.
Yeah, I will say a lot of themwere audiobooks, but um hey
reading is reading yeah, well,obviously, fourth wing is a
return.
Funny story is one of my returns, so I've closed out my emily
henry binge.
It was such a good story and Iwanted to be in this like world

(01:02:55):
setting, like forever, like itwas just.
It was so good, like I lovedthe characters, they were so fun
, so I gave that one five stars.
Um, I am finding it so hard,though.
Emily henry is like why Istarted listening to audiobooks
and now it's like, oh my gosh,every other audiobook person
sucks like I don't know, haveyou been able?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I think I've heard people are able to find new
books with the narrator becauseyou love the narrator, right,
yeah, I think I need to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
So we just read the Nightingale and one of my former
coworkers said that thataudiobook was really good.
So maybe if I read another bookby that author, but audiobook,
then I would like it.
But so anyway, funny stories isone of my returns and it was so
good.
And then I finished thefirebird trilogy did you love it

(01:03:47):
a?
Million worlds with you.
I gave it five stars fantasticum, a really great ending to the
series.
I loved how she tied everythingtogether and you could tell her
writing grew with each bookbecause I like, if you remember,
when we talked about it, it waskind of like childish or
definitely like 2014 setting,2012 setting, so it's still not

(01:04:12):
incredible, but it definitelygrew and the complexities of the
different dimensions was reallyfun to keep up with at the end.
So a really happy read and Ihope you read the rest of the
show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I'm planning on it.
It is going to happen whenwe'll see, but it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I do own them and it will happen it was good, though
I was like wow, like it, justlike felt good, it was like a
good closing.
Yeah, um, and then borrows.
So I'm gonna open up iron flametonight probably, and bring it
with me on my honeymoon nextweek.
Woo Ice one, but I'm excited toget back into it.
And then I think this will befun, because you read this and

(01:04:48):
rated this highly.
I tried to do the fine print.
I had to not finish it, that'sokay.
It was so cringy it is and sobad.
I really tried to finish it.
Mikaela knows I have finishedbooks before that were really
bad, but like it was making menauseous, like it was so

(01:05:12):
unrealistic it moved unnaturallyfor me.
I needed more like backstory,like I don't know it was so bad.
But I was looking at reviewsbecause a lot of people that I'm
friends with like rated itpretty well, like they liked it.
So I don't know if it wasbecause I was doing audiobook,
but like it was awful I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
It was so bad.
It was so bad.
I can't speak from theaudiobook perspective because I
don't.
I don't do fiction audiobooks,but I will say everything you
said, completely valid.
Even though I have read it andrated it highly, I don't even
remember.
I think it's like a four staror something yeah, it's
definitely more than three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I know that I think it was a force.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
It wasn't a five star , it was a four star, I think.
For me, um, and everything yousaid, I still 100 agree with it
it is.
But for me that book was one ofthose that it's just like what
you're in the mood for at thattime and you go into it at least
for me when I was going into it, expecting it to be exactly
like that, but I don't know, itwas like the time or the feeling

(01:06:10):
that I was.
It was like what I wanted atthat point and I am a Disney
adult and it is kind of likevery heavily based on like
Disney parks kind of At least.
Especially that first book, thefirst book, a hundred percent,
is the underground tunnels.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I'm like okay, disney .
I'm like yeah, no, it's where'sthe mouse.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
It's disney rebranded for copyright infringement.
So, uh, I think that's why Ienjoyed it, but I totally
understand why you did it andthere's I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
I understand I'm gonna have to play you some of
the audiobook though, because sothey do like dual point of view
and they have two differentvoice actors.
And the guy, like I won't beable to do it because I have a
high-pitched voice, but it'ssuch a deep voice that for the
actor which it's they'reprobably trying to make him
sound like husky, like sexywhatever, but he has, like, this
vibration to his voice that isalmost like annoying and it's

(01:06:57):
definitely like he's doing it totry and be like hot, but like I
can't even explain it.
But I really apologize to theactor who plays it.
I'm sure you're great andobviously lots of people love
you.
It's a niche thing, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah, no, I can't do it, that was an attempted borrow
, but quickly returned.
That's OK.
That's OK, yeah, yeah.
For any of you listening, Ithink it's dreamland series or
something like that.
Um, first one was good in myopinion.
Second one is my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
third one was a do not finish for me, so and the
second one was the one that Iinitially wanted to read, but I
was trying to do it like inorder, but I think they're kind
of standalone-ish they are kindof like it helps if you have,
like, the knowledge of thebackstory, because it kind of
interweaves between all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
But you could in theory still read the books by
themselves, in whatever order,and enjoy them for what they are
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I will not be reading the second story now because
I'm going to starve me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
You know it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
This is what makes this great is because we have
all these different opinions onall these different books and we
can talk about them like this.
It was funny, though, as soonas I like.
It was like as soon asaudiobook started, I was like,
oh no.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
It's like that meme, that oh, oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, basically, and I knew that you had rated it and
I was like I cannot wait tobash on this with Michaela.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Totally get it.
No hard feelings yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
But that was our book talk.
That was our borrows andreturns.
Make sure to keep up on ourInstagram Hopefully going to be
utilizing it a bit more.
We're going to post that quizon there, so be sure to take the
signet quiz, even if youhaven't read Fourth Wing.
A quiz is a quiz.
Take it and figure out whatpower you have.

(01:08:43):
It's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Darby knows this about me I am a sucker for a
good quiz.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I love personality quizzes.
We love.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
BuzzFeed quizzes over here, If you have any more, too
, you want us to take, send themour way.
Yeah, what type of cheese am ITell?

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
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