March 16, 2025 • 56 mins
In this episode of The Lethal Library, hosts Stephanie and Dani dive into two shorter but very disturbing true crime stories straight out of Idaho. First up, they unravel the tragic case of Bob and Idella Young, an elderly Nampa couple brutally murdered on Christmas Day 2003. The duo then explore another crime in a similar vein: the 1996 double homicide of another elderly couple, William Duke and Dalma Furman Bull, in Downey, Idaho. This time, there's some incredibly senseless violence over $30, a phone calling card, and a saxophone. Listen in as Stephanie and Dani navigate these grim tales with their usual blend of wit and biting commentary.
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Stephanie (00:31):
All right, everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Lethal Library.
I am Stephanie.
Dani (00:36):
I'm Danny
Stephanie (00:37):
and here Danny is gonna tell us another true crime
story from Idaho.
And this one is gonna be, atleast one, is very local.
We're actually gonna do twostories in one'cause they're a
little bit shorter, but just soyou get a full episode, that's
how we're gonna do it today.
So let us know what you think.
Dani (00:55):
Yeah, I, set out and started some research and ended
up.
A little short for timelines.
So I thought these, two, wouldfit together.
And so I'm gonna tell you twostories today.
Stephanie (01:08):
Let's go.
Dani (01:09):
our first story is about Bob and Idella Young.
They were, an elderly couple,from Nampa that unfortunately
were murdered.
At their house for of course noreason.
And I'm gonna it.
(01:32):
Yeah.
This is a why, why, why.
Stephanie (01:36):
There's been a several of those around the area
where it's just pointless.
Dani (01:42):
Bob and Idella Young were found dead in their home on
December 29th, 2003.
They were discovered by a friendwho had been unable to reach
them.
The police found no signs offorced entry, so they believe
the killer may have been anacquaintance of the couple.
(02:02):
Bob was 82 and Idella was 74.
Bob was found bound in theirhome office with two stab
wounds.
The evidence showed that Bob hadstruggled with the attacker
Idella was found bound in thekitchen of their home with a
stab wound as well.
(02:23):
The home had been ransacked withdrawers left open and closed,
thrown about, and after furtherinvestigation, the police
believe the youngs were murderedsometime between 7:00 PM on
Christmas day and 8:00 AM onDecember 26th.
So very short time period.
Yeah.
And the holidays too.
(02:46):
A neighbor had spoken with theYoungs at 8:10 PM on Christmas
day about he'd went over thereto talk to them, about taking
care of his car while he was outof town.
'cause he was leaving and he'slike, Hey, will you watch my
car?
Hmm.
The next morning around 8:00 AMhe went to drop off the keys to
(03:06):
his car, but the youngs didn'tanswer the door.
The neighbor found this oddbecause the Youngs were early
risers.
Mm-hmm.
Their home behind Albertsons wascurrently for sale because the
Youngs are trying to downsizeand simplify their lives.
Recently, Bob Young had been inand outta the hospital due to
his cancer diagnosis.
(03:27):
Alright.
Oh, the couple had been marriedsince 1961.
Oh, that's a lu.
That's L The couple had asuccessful appliance business in
Oregon.
They started around 1961 whenthey got married.
They raised six childrentogether all from previous
(03:48):
marriages, and they raised agranddaughter.
Stephanie (03:51):
A real Brady Bunch.
Yeah, a for sure.
Brady Bunch, for sure.
Oh my gosh.
Who did this to our dear Bob andDel?
Dani (04:01):
I'm, this guy's a fucking dick.
in 1980, the Youngs moved toNampa and started a real estate
business.
The couple originally moved toNampa to take care of Bob's
mother who lived across thestreet.
Stephanie (04:17):
Aw, these are good people, so they're all right
there.
Bob and
Dani (04:20):
Idella were very involved in their church and made many
trips to jackpot.
They the pilgrimage, you gottalove you some jackpot.
Yeah.
Former renters and friendsstated that they were kind and
helpful people.
One former renter.
Joanna Luna told of how BobYoung had fixed her washer.
(04:41):
Another former renter, Norma andMario Trevino, stated the Youngs
had helped many low incomefamilies in the area buy homes.
Stephanie (04:51):
So they were renters and also in real estate, and so
they were also helping peoplebuy homes.
So not a slumlord?
No.
What a great landlord.
Right.
I think that anyone rentingright now would love if their
landlord was like.
I also work in real estate.
They know of homes or maybe theyhave homes they don't wanna rent
anymore.
Right?
And can give you, since theyknow you, Ugh.
(05:15):
People would kill for that.
Now Stephanie, that was not acute go home.
I'm just gonna, you know what?
I'm gonna, I forgot what ourpodcast is about.
(05:38):
Thank you.
It was so nice.
Call the Uber, Call the UberHeidi!!
Dani (05:51):
Even I caught that.
Normally, I'm so into my story.
Stephanie (05:57):
What am I doing, Danny?
To be fair, I've been sick.
I'm under a lot of stress rightnow.
Okay.
All right folks.
Remember what kind of podcastyou're doing, Stephanie, let's
be a little bit more mindful indemure.
How about that?
Be fucking demure stuff peoplewould kill for that.
(06:20):
Let me take a drink first.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Dani (06:24):
I can.
That was great.
I think, oh man, that's rankingup there with emotional support
first for me.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
they were just good people.
Yeah, it sounds like it.
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They were really good people.
More than 700 mourners came totheir funeral.
Hmm.
They were just so well knownaround here.
A reward fund was set up by alocal realtors group that
reached$10,000.
These people were beloved bytheir family, friends, and the
community.
(07:04):
Yeah.
Hands down.
So that was in 2003, right?
2004.
DNA was collected.
Finally, let's go.
DNA CO was collected from theevidence and was tested.
They found blood on a whitecotton glove and a torn finger
(07:27):
from a latex glove.
I don't know why the double,double gloves trying to be
sneaky, but Mm.
Yeah.
Blood was also found on theYoung's fax machine that takes
you back.
They're business people, theyprobably use that thing all the
time.
A small spot of DNA was found onIdella's hip, possibly sweat or
(07:52):
spit of the killer.
Stephanie (07:53):
Hmm.
Dani (07:55):
Which, can I just say back in, I mean, 20 years ago,
Stephanie (07:59):
this is the early days.
Dani (08:00):
Yeah.
They were looking for DNA sweat.
Stephanie (08:04):
Yeah.
You can't, they were
Dani (08:04):
looking for blood.
Stephanie (08:06):
Blood, yeah.
Semen or something that like,you know, someone has touched or
would like a cloth that mighthave been like wiped on a
forehead maybe, but not a dropof sweat
Dani (08:17):
on her hip hip because people, they, I mean, they
weren't testing.
Parts of your body like that.
Mm-hmm.
Now they can do it like they doit all.
They'll swap you up.
Yeah.
Over 70 people of interest wereeliminated from the test
results.
Thank you.
DNA, I just can't believe therewould be 70
Stephanie (08:38):
people.
But I mean, they were, they weretrying, who knows if there's a
tenant that was, maybe it didn'twork out so great.
I mean, they knew a lot ofpeople, right?
Dani (08:47):
They were very well known, so.
But to have 70 people
Stephanie (08:51):
eliminated.
Well, and even just people thatweren't mad at them.
All the neighbors, if you werearound the area in the time, you
are not a suspect, but you're aperson of interest because you
were around here at that time.
So
Dani (09:07):
Year after year, their daughter, Kathleen Young
Loggins, would write to thelocal newspaper editors
reminding the public of theunsolved murder.
Stephanie (09:17):
And that's one of the best things that you can do in
an un unsolved case.
'cause there's been many casesthat some we've done podcasts on
where someone sees a newspaperyears later and is like, oh my
gosh, I remember that person.
I remember that night.
Or I saw that person.
So just doing a yearlyanniversary thing.
(09:37):
It might seem futile, but youmight catch the right ear.
Dani (09:41):
And they were, they were very beautiful letters talking
about how wonderful wholeparents were and also like a
tribute.
Yeah.
Also, hey, this is unsolved.
Please, please, please.
You know, someone come forward.
Yeah, someone knows something.
After nearly five years, anarrest was finally made.
(10:05):
On November 6th, 2008, Pete KRoberts age 44 was arrested on
first degree murder.
He also faced two counts offirst degree kidnapping.
Oh, prosecutors filed a noticeof intent to seek the death
penalty.
(10:25):
Shit's getting real, real quicktoo.
Roberts was originally arrestedin September on a concealed
weapons charge.
Roberts was no stranger to theNampa Police Department.
He was convicted or pled guiltyto drug charges in both 1992 and
1998.
(10:45):
In 2006, a local man told theNampa Police Department that
several comments made by Robert.
Led him to believe that he wasresponsible for hurting some
people behind the Albertsons.
Stephanie (11:00):
See, someone has picked up on just some little
things where they might havethought, oh, that can't possibly
be that, and then he sayssomething else where you're
like,
Dani (11:09):
Ooh,
Stephanie (11:10):
oh,
Dani (11:12):
maybe, oh, let's see where this goes.
A woman came forward in late2008 that previously dated
Roberts.
Uh, these guys, I mean, good,but these guys telling, um, I
have to tell you something.
Tell me's my deep dark secret.
(11:33):
Don't,
Stephanie (11:33):
don't tell
Dani (11:34):
me.
Stephanie (11:34):
Well, and I wonder if it comes out as like a moment of
toughness, of like, you don'twanna mess with me.
You heard about those peoplebehind the Albertsons.
I
Dani (11:45):
feel like some people do that out of.
Trying to be vulnerable to suckyou
Stephanie (11:54):
in.
Right?
There was a Dateline I justlistened to that was like a guy
told his girlfriend, she said,what's the worst thing you've
ever done?
Let's get it outta the way now.
And he literally admitted to amurder of like a famous college
football player that no onecould solve.
And she was like, this guy's,there's no way.
(12:14):
But then.
Dani (12:16):
I feel like that's kind of a, a narcissist.
That's what a narcissist woulddo.
Mm-hmm.
Because they are pulling you inand saying, I'm giving you
everything.
Look at this.
Yeah, yeah.
What I would do for you.
Yeah.
Roberts had told her he had donesomething that if somebody found
(12:37):
out he would go away forever.
Uh, let me narrow down the list.
Motherfucker murder.
What?
Because you've
Stephanie (12:44):
done,
Dani (12:44):
yeah.
Roberts was singled out after heagreed to a DNA test.
'cause he might have not haveknown about the DNA.
2008.
Where are you living?
Under a rock,
Stephanie (12:58):
apparently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think some people think eitherthere's no way that I left
something, they think they weremore careful, two pairs of
gloves, or they think that theydon't understand the amount of
DNA that it, like it's, it canbe next to nothing.
Mm-hmm.
And so they're like, there'sjust no way.
Or they don't understand thatDNA is like one in a billion
(13:23):
usually.
So there's, they're like, yeah,me and a thousand other folks
got the same.
No, you don't.
Dani (13:30):
No,
Stephanie (13:31):
you don't.
Dani (13:32):
No.
Roberts had mostly beenunemployed, but sometimes worked
in construction or in the animalslaughter industry.
Uh, we know that job.
Uh, what do you mean?
We know that job, not theslaughter part, but we know
(13:52):
where that job was.
We know like armors?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Like, yes.
He, he, like
Stephanie (13:59):
Danny.
I've never done
Dani (14:00):
that job before.
I don't do that.
I feel pretty confident saying99% sure he worked at Armor's.
No,
Stephanie (14:06):
that's probably at Armor's.
A big, big meat packing plant inthe, in that time.
Dani (14:11):
His most recent job was gathering and selling scrap
metal
Stephanie (14:17):
drugs, a real job, or are we stealing copper from air
conditioners and catalyticconverters?
That's what he put on hisresume.
Dani (14:27):
So why the Youngs exactly?
The police stated that Robertswas a previous renter of the
Youngs.
He was not a good tenant, oftenpaying late.
And also Roberts had suspectedthat Bob had reportedly kissed
his ex-wife and was, and thisoutraged him.
(14:50):
Drugs.
I don't believe that.
Drugs, drugs, drugs, policesaid.
he was probably on meth andparanoid.
I'm just telling you.
Yeah.
These people were good people.
Police said there is absolutelyno evidence to support this
claim.
He's out there kissing tenantswives.
Stephanie (15:06):
I don't believe it.
Yeah, not with Idel.
No, no, no.
Because I'm sure that she, we'verented from an older couple and
lemme tell you, she ran theroost.
And there would never have beenanything that she didn't know
about.
No.
No
Dani (15:21):
fuckery, no, he, he was delusional.
I think it was him eitherimagining being paranoid on
drugs or trying to just makesome pathetic, some type of
motive.
Excuse.
Oh, well I
Stephanie (15:36):
had to shut the fuck up.
Bob didn't do
Dani (15:40):
that.
Roberts, pled not guilty, andthe trial is set for April of
2010.
February 5th, 2010, Roberts justsays, he pled guilty to two
counts of first degree murder.
Oh, for the stabbing of Bob andIdella Young on Christmas Day in
(16:03):
2003.
And he, he did this'cause thedeath penalty was on the table.
He will serve two life sentenceswithout the possibility of
parole.
Roberts is currently 60 yearsold and in the custody of the
Idaho State Correctional Center.
As you should be.
Go fuck yourself.
How
Stephanie (16:23):
dare you do that to Bob and Idel.
Dani (16:26):
It's so sad because to live your life, this is what
breaks my heart.
First of all, they're goodpeople, but to for that, to your
life, to end that way after theyhave been good, righteous
people.
(16:46):
They're whole on Christmas.
Yeah.
You're a
Stephanie (16:50):
dick.
Like, and I'm sorry, I knowthat, you know, people get
behind, people struggle to payrent.
This was a different time whererent was way more affordable.
Dani (17:01):
Yeah.
Stephanie (17:02):
So much like you could be working probably a mini
minimum wage job, or it's smidgemore and still live in a small
location comfortably.
You didn't have to have three orfour roommates.
Dani (17:14):
Right?
Stephanie (17:14):
So if you're not paying your rent.
Your drug
Dani (17:18):
habit's too big, bro.
And get a real job instead ofscrapping.
Yeah, scrapping.
We know what that was.
Mm-hmm.
Shut up.
Stephanie (17:27):
Anyway, that's very unfortunate.
Yeah.
So RIP, Bob and Idel and Rotforever.
Roberts.
Yes.
Dani (17:36):
So I have another one coming up, but Okay.
Let's take a break.
Let's take a break.
Stephanie (17:49):
All right guys, we are back.
had a little break.
We have our, had our first shortstory.
another story.
Kind of in a similar vein,another elderly couple.
It sounds like.
Is it a couple?
Dani (18:01):
It is.
Stephanie (18:02):
Alright, well, let's, let's let Danny get into it.
Dani (18:06):
there is of course murder, attempted murder, robbery, and a
14-year-old assailant.
It two generous people trying tohelp fellow human beings turns
into a disaster.
Assholes being assholes.
I am still trying to figure outwhy, my resources for this story
(18:31):
are the Daily Sentinel, theTimes News, and the Idaho
Statesman.
Stephanie (18:36):
Thank you Statesman.
Dani (18:37):
on January 6th, 1996.
William Duke and Dahlman FurmanBull 72 were found dead in their
home by a relative in Downey,Idaho.
Do you know where Downey's at?
Stephanie (18:51):
I do not.
Dani (18:52):
Yes.
This is why I write this down.
Stephanie (18:55):
Thank you.
Dani (18:56):
Uh, Downey is about 40 miles south of Pocatello.
Hello.
Downey is a tiny town whereeveryone knows each other.
The population in 2020 was 571people.
Stephanie (19:10):
Tiny town.
Dani (19:11):
So you take off 25 years off of that tiny year?
Yeah.
Okay.
When the emergency medicsarrived, they thought at first
there might be a chance torevive Dalma.
Under Sheriff Lauren Nielsensaid it appeared when they were
(19:31):
found that they had possiblydied in their sleep.
The couple had just.
Had a new propane, gas furnaceinstalled.
It was thought that the couplemay have died from carbon
monoxide poisoning.
The blood on the victims wasconsistent with asphyxiation
(19:53):
because blood vessels canrupture when this up, when, when
this happens.
Okay, but also, what the fuckwere these guys looking at?
Hmm.
Tell me about it.
The coroner finally arrived twoor three hours later because
(20:16):
they thought that they noemergency passed, and it's out
in the middle of nowhere.
So the, the, the coroner arrivestwo or three hours later and he
started looking and said, oh,this is homicide.
Oops.
(20:37):
It was determined the coupledied from gunshot wounds.
From a 3 57 Magnum,
Stephanie (20:43):
A 3 57.
How could you confus naturalcauses?
Look, they look so peaceful.
They're just little bit a smidgeof blood, carbon monoxide
poisoning.
Dani (21:01):
With a three 50 seven's a big gun.
Are we not?
Stephanie (21:04):
Are we not Exactly.
Are we not taking a flashlight?
Are we going into a dark room,seeing some blood, like a
trickle of blood outta nose orsomething and being like, must
be the CO2, that new furnace.
Let, let's peek around a little.
You don't have to touchanything.
No, you don't have to moveanyone.
Look, you can't tell me therewasn't blood like pooling
(21:28):
somewhere.
Get out of town.
Dani (21:34):
The furman's neighbor two miles down the road discovered
his horse had been shot.
Okay?
The same like after autopsieswere performed on the deceased
and the horse.
It was discovered the bulletswere a match.
Why are we shooting the horse?
(21:57):
Uh, hold on.
Lemme tell you why please,Danny.
Because I just like, what?
There's no reason they're justfucking idiots.
Stephanie (22:05):
And that makes it even worse.
I know.
Why?
Why would you want to?
Horses are so fucking cool.
What would make you be like, I'mgonna pop you too.
Get outta here.
I wish that horse would'vekicked you right in the chest.
Dani (22:24):
Authorities put the word out with the assistance of the
FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol,tobacco and Firearms.
Ooh, a TF and FBI.
Let's go.
They quickly found out thepolice were already looking for
these men.
Ooh.
So they were creating somehavoc.
Apparently the break came whenthey discovered the same caliber
(22:46):
bullet used to kill the furmansand the horse.
Was used in another crime a fewstates away,
Stephanie (22:56):
dumb criminals.
Dani (23:00):
A warrant was issued out of Colorado for two men.
The member suspected in aconvenience store, robbery and
shooting in Grand Junction,Colorado, just two days earlier
on January 4th.
Stephanie (23:12):
So y'all are just showing your ass and popping
whoever, like, oh, I can't waitto tell you about their car.
Okay.
It's one thing to Rob and I'mnot saying it's okay.
I understand why people rob, andthey're on the run on a little
like mission across the UnitedStates for the most part.
(23:32):
You usually don't have to bekilling people though.
So what are we doing?
Dani (23:39):
Two men along with a 14-year-old accomplice.
Stephanie (23:44):
14.
Mm-hmm.
Dani (23:46):
Held up Crystal Bunker while she was working at the
Gasa Mac convenience store, notthe
Stephanie (23:53):
Gasa Mac,
Dani (23:55):
I hope I'm saying that right.
They came into the store andgrabbed drinks from the cooler.
Then they walked up to Crystal'sregister, and all of a sudden
she heard a pop, like afirecracker.
And she said she started to feelnumb and tingly before she
passed out.
She didn't even know.
(24:16):
Same, same.
When she regained consciousness,blood was dripping down her
face.
She didn't realize she had beenshot.
Stephanie (24:25):
Oh my God.
She
Dani (24:27):
called 9 1 1 to report the robbery.
Crystal continued servingcustomers.
Stephanie (24:35):
Employee of the month, year, and decade.
Give her an Oscar.
Now
Dani (24:41):
with a rag wrapped around her head, she pumped gas for a
customer at the full servicestation.
What customers
Stephanie (24:51):
are like, oh, sweet.
You're a head wound.
A head wound bleeds profusely.
It can be a small slice.
Dani (25:00):
That customer is a dick.
Uh, yeah.
Could you just fill it up?
Yeah, I regularly let it.
Please.
Yeah.
I need po
Stephanie (25:06):
please.
Thank you.
Dani (25:09):
Rolls the window back up.
Yeah, as blood is dripping downher face, she's like, sure,
sure.
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What the fuck?
She returned back inside andsold a can of Copenhagen to
another customer before thepolice arrived.
Stephanie (25:26):
She's like, I think something scratched me or
something, sweetie.
You got a goddamn bullet in ya.
Can you believe that?
I can because you know, that'show we're trained.
Be it, be a good worker.
Yep.
Jobs are important.
Gotta gotta do the best and.
(25:47):
Gosh, I would've been like, pumpyour own gas bitch.
This is 96.
I think the minimum wage is like$3.
Right?
I'd be like,
Dani (25:54):
pump your own gas.
I'm bleeding here.
I think you can get it.
You know how to pull the pull.
Just pull the handle.
You can get it.
Go can, can you make it home andback here tomorrow?
A labor.
I know it might be inconvenientto stop on your way to work
tomorrow, but look, I just wasrobbed.
Maybe shot in the head.
Um, she at least knew she hadbeen robbed.
(26:18):
Yeah.
I'm, as, I'm kind of assumingthat she thought maybe, probably
in shock and, uh, maybe shethought maybe she was hit, maybe
or just passed out.
She, someone punched
Stephanie (26:31):
me
Dani (26:31):
Right.
Or hit her with something.
Sure.
Or whatever.
I just can't, crystal, you're abadass.
She's gonna
Stephanie (26:37):
rag around her head.
Dani (26:40):
She finally found out that she was shot after she heard an
x-ray technician say, yep, it'sthere referring to the
Stephanie (26:48):
bullet, and the technicians are not supposed to
say anything.
I know.
You know, But you always seethat, that like ultrasound
technicians are not supposed to,supposed to give you the news.
But you can always watch theirface of like, if it's an
ultrasound or like someonethat's reviewing your X-ray and
they're like, I'll have to letthe doctor tell you.
(27:09):
You're like, but, and this one'sjust like I, yeah.
There's a bullet in there.
Yeah, there's a, I wouldappreciate, thank you.
I don't wanna wait another 40minutes for doctor to, don't
send me back to my room
Dani (27:19):
and wait.
Yes.
Stephanie (27:21):
There's a bullet in your head,
Dani (27:22):
right?
a bullet had grazed her foreheadand lodged in the right side of
her head.
Surgeons were able to remove thebullet from her head, and she
spent five days in the hospital,but she got the fucker, the gas.
Oh my God.
I just, I can't get over thatcustomer.
Sorry.
Stephanie (27:41):
Good for, good for you.
I hope that you are thriving.
Whatever's happening.
I hope that you were blessed.
In some way because goodnessgracious girl,
Dani (27:53):
the wound left her with some memory loss.
Sure.
And she has problems with herthought and word processes.
Stephanie (28:00):
Bummer.
She's alive though, and sowishing you all the best.
Well, she sounds like a trooper,so I'm sure that
Dani (28:06):
What a bad, she's in the best.
Stephanie (28:09):
Yeah.
Dani (28:10):
I'm like, I'm, excuse me, I'm not doing shit.
I got shot in the literal face.
I quit.
Gimme a break.
These fuckers got away with only200 bucks.
Wow.
That was
Stephanie (28:23):
worth it.
And you probably wouldn't haveeven needed to shoot her.
No.
She said she didn't even knowwhat was going on.
She just gets shot.
Yeah.
You didn't even ask.
No.
Ask for the money.
Say, I need that money, please.
I have a gun.
and she'd been like, here.
She sounds eager to serve.
Yeah.
She's pumping people's gas witha bullet in her fucking brain.
(28:46):
Come on.
Dani (28:49):
Arrest warrants were issued for the two men, and a
description of their vehicle wasreleased.
Hell yeah.
The men were driving a 1979Pontiac Sunbird.
That was cream on the front andred on the rear.
Very distinct vehicle.
Stephanie (29:08):
Very
Dani (29:09):
deme.
Stephanie (29:10):
It's not demure.
Dani (29:12):
They also Mm, no.
Washington license plates,dates, bros.
Get, get a can of spray paint.
Let's an, an officer inClarkston, Washington recognized
the waterman's vehicle andfollowed it back to their hotel
room because they knew they werefrom Washington.
(29:34):
They, they knew who thesepeople, the license plates, they
knew of them.
They're like, oh, this area.
So of course they're letting,oh, those guys, they're letting
everybody know, the police.
The police just called theirroom and advised both men to
surrender.
You imagine that, oh, maybe
Stephanie (29:54):
it's.
The front desk.
Maybe they got that BHS that we
Dani (29:58):
did.
My pizza get delivered, bro.
Stephanie (29:59):
Got a, they have I ordered room service.
So we got, we got that 200bucks.
I ordered some room service.
Oh.
Um, it's, it's a sheriff or someofficers.
Dani (30:12):
My pay-per-view porn is not working.
Stephanie (30:16):
but Oh, the cops, we need to exit now.
Dani (30:21):
Oh, guess it's over, bro.
They peacefully surrendered at4:00 AM They thought about it
for a minute.
They're like,
Stephanie (30:33):
they called a room.
They know where we're at.
We got the gun here.
The car's outside.
Yeah, and how, how that is damirand mindful of the cops to be
like, listen up, let's not makethis a big thing.
Can you just come outsidebecause we're here,
Dani (30:53):
other people are sleeping in this home.
We're here.
Stephanie (30:55):
You're
Dani (30:55):
here and there's people sleeping and they're on
vacation, so let's not beassholes.
Okay?
I mean, you've already doneenough asshole stuff.
Yeah, let's, let's just cleanthis.
You got your 3
Stephanie (31:08):
57, but we've got literally 20 guns on you right
now.
Let's go.
So let's go
Dani (31:14):
James Harvey Hairston 19 and Richard James.
Clip full 28.
Yes, that's a hard one to say.
Are being held on the warrantfrom Colorado for attempted
murder and armed robbery.
Idaho detectives say We, on ourway, we're coming and in a short
(31:41):
amount of time, of course,January 16th, Harrison is
charged with two counts of firstdegree murder and clip full with
two counts of being a principalto first degree murder for the
Idaho crimes.
Colorado doesn't matter now.
Stephanie (31:59):
Idaho's like literally home my beer.
We'll, what?
We'll take care of it.
That's exactly, we'll take careof it.
Just let
Dani (32:08):
Idaho have'em.
plus each is being charged withone can of robbery.
The complaint states they took.
This is from the Furmans inIdaho.
That poor elderly couple.
Mm-hmm.
Lost their life over$30 in cash.
A phone calling card.
A credit card, and a saxophone.
Stephanie (32:32):
This is just so pathetic.
It isn't funny at all, but it'sjust ridiculous.
They're like, I know I can pawnon this saxophone.
They're hauling around.
A fucking saxophone that theystole from an elderly couple and
$30.
This is almost as bad as theother one.
That was$18 and change.
(32:53):
Yeah.
A, B and e.
Dani (32:58):
What?
What was the reason, and couldyou please explain for the
youngsters, the phone callingcard?
Stephanie (33:09):
Oh, yeah.
So if you wanted to dial longdistance.
Ooh, you can't just dial longdistance.
You have to pay for those.
So you get a phone calling cardand that gives you minutes on
like a payphone or really anyphone.
And it's not going on your phonebill'cause it's hella expensive.
Very, the long distance calling.
This is why area code to areacode was a big deal.
(33:33):
And so Idaho.
Just recently got a second areacode, so it wasn't a big deal
here.
But in bigger cities like NewYork, la, if you met someone and
their area code was differentthan you, that's big time
spending to call someone.
(33:54):
So it was like it could break upa possible relationship if
you're trying to date someone.
It's like, I can't be spending$20 a night talking to you.
Dani (34:04):
And it was seriously, it was like 20 cents a minute to
call from like Nampa to Boise,which is literally.
20 minutes away.
Figuratively.
Stephanie (34:16):
Yeah.
But like that's how it is inlike New York and everything.
Dani (34:18):
Uhhuh.
but if you bought these callingcards, you could get like
discount minutes.
Yes.
To be the less So it was more
Stephanie (34:27):
effective.
So you could be Mr.
Worldwide if you wanted to
Dani (34:33):
Anyways.
They're old school.
Old old school.
These two fuckers could face thedeath penalty'cause we're in
Idaho.
That's why they said I'll takecare of it.
Mm-hmm.
So trial dates are set and a gagorder was issued on the case.
(34:55):
Okay.
Cliff Fill decided to cut a dealwith the prosecution to avoid
the death penalty in August.
Who's gonna cut the deal first?
That's literally, mm-hmm.
Stephanie (35:06):
That's, and I wish that people knew this because
whoever folds first is usuallygonna get the best deal, and it
sucks.
But that's how it is.
So realize other people'sloyalty to you and your loyalty
to them, because,
Dani (35:26):
uh, and I didn't write this down, but they're.
So there's an age, a 10 year agedifference between these two
guys.
Right.
I saw that.
It was very weird to me.
So there was an age difference,a 10 year age difference between
these two, and the older guywas.
You would assume was theringleader like telling
(35:47):
everybody what to do.
Mm-hmm.
And one of the prosecutors, Ididn't write this down, but
literally was quoted in thenewspaper saying, cliff Full is
one of the most stupidest menI've ever met.
And there is no way he couldhave put this all together.
Even as asinine as, is that aword?
(36:08):
As even their plan that was soasinine and just reckless, he
couldn't even give him that.
Stephanie (36:18):
Wow.
What a weird power dynamic.
Yeah.
For someone to say that in thenews.
Yeah.
And be like.
It was quoted, no, but he's,he's literally a dipshit, so
he's very fucking stupid,
Dani (36:34):
is what he wanted to say.
so he, he did the deal with theprosecutors.
he pled guilty to two counts ofbeing a principal to first
degree murder, and agreed totestify against Hairston to
avoid the death penalty.
Took the plea.
Little backtracking here.
(36:54):
Actually, it's not backtracking.
We're, we're gonna head over toColorado for a hot minute.
What's Colorado doing?
The 14-year-old Matthew Brickeywas charged as an adult in
Colorado.
Oh shit.
For the robbery.
Oh,
Stephanie (37:08):
cause he was part of that one.
Dani (37:10):
Yeah, he was part of that one.
He admitted to being there.
Uh, brickie ended up pleadingguilty as a juvenile to
attempted first degree murderand was sentenced to five years
in a juvenile detentionfacility.
This will be the only convictionfor the crime in Colorado
(37:32):
because Idaho has it.
Yeah, Idaho has
Stephanie (37:36):
it.
I I can see that I would, if, ifI was Crystal or Crystal's
family, I would want them toalso have.
At least some more years hangingover their heads here, but at
least the 14-year-old still got,what are you doing out there
shooting a clerk for no reason.
Dani (37:56):
I'll say this, I, I read later, that Brickie was doing
well in his juvenile detentionand they wanted to move him to
another facility where he couldget.
More things, better things.
and Crystal was there and heapologized to Crystal profusely.
(38:20):
He said, I'm so sorry.
I sh I can't believe that, youknow, I was participant in
possibly, you know, taking yourlife.
This, he sounded very sincereand I looked him up and I
couldn't find anything.
After this, so, well at
Stephanie (38:38):
14, you know, you're, you're not cut out to be making
decisions like that.
So that's good to hear that.
And so it sounds like he didpretty
Dani (38:47):
okay after this was a good, he did his thing.
I'm assuming he probably gotbullied into it or was the with
the wrong people at the wrongtime.
Maybe he knew about it.
Stayed straight.
Yeah.
so in September of that year,the trial begins for Hairston in
opening statements, bannockCounty prosecutor, mark
(39:09):
Heideman, told jurors that hairfired two bullets into each one
of the victim's heads.
And then the pair ransacked thehome for cash.
Mm-hmm.
And credit cards Oh my God.
I hope I say this name right.
The public defender, Randy Schulsaid it was.
(39:31):
A clip full that fired thedeadly bullets.
And the only reason Harrison wasthe one that used the credit
cards and pawn stolen items, AKAsaxophone, was that he was the
only one with identification.
Okay?
Mm, weak sauce.
O clip full gets on the standand testifies.
(39:57):
He said that they had run outtamoney by the time they got to
Idaho.
The 200 bucks went fast, right?
Yeah.
They chose the rural housebecause it looked like someone
lived there.
He was under the impression thatthey were just gonna go in and
ask for help or money.
(40:18):
The couple invited the men intothe house after inquiring about
help.
So that's, they're good people.
They're like, no, come on in.
Duke was looking through atelephone book for a number of
someone he thought might havesome work for the men trying to
(40:39):
help them.
Mm-hmm.
And that's when Harriston pulledout the pistol and shot him in
the head.
Harrison shot Dharma twice andthen turned back to Duke and
shot him once more.
Can we just go back to theevidence?
The very beginning?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stephanie (41:00):
And the, so this is like on the floor, I'm assuming?
Well, they're not in bed.
They're no.
Actively
Dani (41:09):
looking in a, I didn't, I don't get it.
Natural causes.
He's on the floor with a phonebook open.
It just, it makes no sense.
Stephanie (41:19):
No,
Dani (41:21):
After shooting the fermans, that's when they went
through the house and theycollected the$30, the phone
card, credit card, and such.
The two men after leaving therepurchased toy remote control
cars, tires, food, gas, andlodging with a stolen credit
(41:44):
card.
Stephanie (41:46):
Were the remote controlled cars necessary
because that's making me want topunch my microphone.
Dani (41:55):
They also attempted to purchase a Harley Davidson
motorcycle.
Stephanie (41:59):
Oh, are you gonna ride back to back?
You got your passenger behindyou.
You got your
Dani (42:04):
backpack and$2,500 worth of snowboarding equipment, but
the credit card was rejected.
Stephanie (42:12):
We're gonna go boarding and have a Harley, me
and you
Dani (42:16):
best bros for life.
This is the fucking, like, I'mgonna strap my board actually to
the Harley.
Oh, our boards can fit right?
Like right on the sides
Stephanie (42:28):
and then I can be behind you.
We're on a Harley and our, ourhair, our mullets are going in
the wind, bro.
And it's me and you.
Please shut the fuck up.
I,
Dani (42:46):
on September 10th, the jury deliberated for only two
hours before finding Hairstonguilty of murdering Duke and
Dalma because they did.
Mm-hmm.
They're like, okay.
we agree.
Okay, cool.
Let's just sit here for aminute.
Stephanie (43:04):
Yeah.
We'll just make sure everyoneyou can marinate with it.
If anything comes up, just letus know.
Dani (43:10):
Everybody's provided with a copy of the jury instructions.
I feel like we should read thosethoroughly and then have a vote.
That's what happened.
Stephanie (43:20):
Anything, any red flags, anything anyone wants to
bring up?
They're like, I got nothingchief.
I got nothing.
Alright, let's tell the judge.
Dani (43:33):
Gotta give him 15 minutes to sign all the paperwork.
Well, and they probably get asnack or something like, yeah.
Cliff fill is officiallysentenced in October.
He is sentenced to life with apossibility of parole after 20
years.
On November 15th, Harrison'ssentenced to death for the
murders and is also sentenced tolife in prison without the
(43:56):
possibility of parole for therobbery.
I love when they do this'causethey're just like,
Stephanie (44:02):
you're never getting out.
You're never
Dani (44:04):
getting out.
So go ahead and appeal.
Go ahead.
And he does in 1997, here we go.
Appeals, appeals, appeals,hairston's, post-conviction
relief hearing is aboutineffective counsel, of course.
And a stay is granted by theSupreme Court for the automatic
review as they do.
(44:27):
In 99, the US Supreme Courtupheld the death penalty for
Hairston.
He still has several appealprocesses available.
Mm-hmm.
Here we go.
In oh seven, a petition in frontof the Idaho State Supreme Court
argued that only juries, notjudges, can hand down the death
(44:47):
penalty.
The court declined his claimsaying he waited too long to
raise those issues.
Oh.
Which I am having a hard timeunderstanding from other
research that I've done, butthis is a later case.
So I think when all of thatstuff was happening was like
2002, 2003, it's like, whydidn't you jump
Stephanie (45:08):
in?
Like, yeah, we've known aboutthis for a while.
Mm-hmm.
We've, we've kind of settledthis and now I'm not, I don't
know how that, how all thatworks.
Yeah.
But.
If that's what they said and it,that's how it went way they told
him to go down.
Sand
Dani (45:24):
is what they did.
Yeah.
2015, cliff is advised 15.
Cliff is advised he's being heldon a$250,000 bond for warrant
for attempted first degreemurder, aggravated robbery,
first degree assault with adeadly weapon and misdemeanor
(45:47):
theft in Colorado.
Stephanie (45:49):
Oh shit.
Now you're really fucked, buddy.
This
Dani (45:54):
is right before his chance to go up in front of the parole
board.
20 years.
Oh.
Do you see it, sister?
20 years.
Whoa.
Surprise, surprise.
They're like, surprise,surprise.
They're like, oh yeah, thatother thing.
So just if you get out of thisthing, just know you're not
going anywhere, just in case.
(46:15):
Uh, we
Stephanie (46:16):
also know about the same shit you did here.
So we're gonna be asking youabout, about that.
You wanted to see the
Dani (46:21):
Rockies?
Yep.
Come on.
Stephanie (46:24):
Mile High clap.
Dani (46:26):
Let's go.
Come on over.
in 2020, an appeal is rejectedby the I Supreme Court Harrison,
stating he was too young to besentenced to death.
So this was his argument becauseas we know, times have changed
and evolved.
Yeah.
And so even though you'reallowed to go to war at 18, a
(46:51):
lot of people thinking thatyou're probably not.
Well, we developed it.
It your friend Lo
Stephanie (46:55):
isn't developed.
Right.
So I get it.
So you're
Dani (46:57):
saying because he was under 21 that he shouldn't and
that the Supreme Court said,yeah, that's only for people
under the age of 18.
We don't give a shit.
So sorry about your luck.
He was trying that angle though,so
Stephanie (47:15):
that probably was the last
Dani (47:16):
angle left.
Yeah.
Well, currently in 2025.
Hairston is 48 and currentlyresiding at the Idaho Maximum
Security Institution.
Ville 57 is also at the IdahoState Correctional Facility.
(47:38):
Best Friends for Life, that pleadeal.
Said him no favors, none so.
And I have a little tidbit ofnews.
Stephanie (47:57):
Ooh, yes.
There was an update.
'cause this in Idaho.
This might
Dani (48:00):
affect Harrison, who, by the way, was the youngest person
ever be put on 19.
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (48:08):
Very young.
Dani (48:09):
Seriously.
A kid.
Stephanie (48:10):
But seriously, you should know not to shoot people.
Yeah.
But we've mentioned severaltimes that the laws have been
kind of ever changing recentlysince Creech and since Creches
failed, execution attempt, forthe firing squad.
And so the firing squad wasalready approved, but there's an
(48:31):
update to that.
So I'll let Danny tell you'causeshe knows more.
Dani (48:35):
So last week the House of Representatives passed, it
Stephanie (48:41):
was
Dani (48:41):
the House and the
Stephanie (48:42):
Senate, right?
Dani (48:43):
Right.
That last week was the house.
Okay.
And they voted within 10minutes, it was approved.
There was no arguing.
but this week it was in front ofthe Idaho Senate and they voted
28 to seven.
To establish the Firing Squad asthe primary method of execution.
(49:06):
It currently is a secondarymethod.
The bill is on its way to theGovernor Brad Little's desk, and
is expected to be signed.
It will go into effect July 1st,2026.
Idaho is one of five states thatauthorizes the firing squad.
(49:26):
But Idaho will be the only stateto have the firing Squad as the
primary method, and thissurprised me.
The most recent use of theFiring Squad was in Utah in
2010.
Stephanie (49:44):
I didn't know that.
Yeah,
Dani (49:46):
I didn't either.
And also South Carolina isscheduled to execute an inmate
by Firing Squad on March 7th.
So this, that'll be after thisepisode's released.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So, I think we've discussed thisbefore.
I don't know if it, it made itanywhere.
Yeah.
God, it's not
Stephanie (50:05):
something that we are like, rooting on or agree with,
but it's, this is what'shappening in our state.
Dani (50:11):
Yeah.
But I wanted to tell you stuff Ilooked up.
I think we've had discussionsabout what does that look like?
What yeah does that executionmethod look like, right?
Because we all know about lethalinjection.
They give you some drugs, youfall asleep, blah, blah, blah.
They push all the things, right?
Mm-hmm.
I have no idea how the firingsquad works, so, got a little,
(50:34):
okay, let's hear it.
and this is from, the website,death penalty info.org.
And there's a whole disturbingsection about methods of
execution.
It was disturbing to read, butthis is for the firing squad for
execution.
By this method, the prisoner istypically bound to a chair with
(50:54):
leather straps across his waistand head in front of an oval
shaped canvas wall.
The chair is surrounded bysandbags to absorb the
prisoner's blood.
A black hood is pulled over theprisoner's head.
A doctor locates the prisoner'sheart with a stethoscope and
pins a circular white clothtarget over it.
(51:17):
standing in an enclosure.
20 feet away.
Five shooters are armed with 30caliber rifles loaded with
single rounds.
One of the shooters is givenblank rounds.
That surprised me.
Stephanie (51:32):
Just one.
Dani (51:33):
Just one.
Stephanie (51:35):
I thought it was the opposite that only me too, only
one had, but I mean, then ifsomeone has a bad aim, I'm not
right.
Dani (51:47):
Go like, yes, let's do, but that's, I thought it was so
they're giving doubt.
Like what?
I don't like those odds.
Like I'm probably gonna have,
Stephanie (51:58):
I mean, and so everyone can be like, I probably
have the blank.
Yep.
That's why they do it.
So everyone can
Dani (52:04):
have the
Stephanie (52:04):
Okay.
Dani (52:06):
Uh, but South Carolina's execution protocol calls for the
use of three shooters, each ofwhom is provided live rounds.
Okay.
Each of the shooter aims hisrifle through a slot in the
canvas and fires at theprisoner.
Stephanie (52:26):
So it feels like the way it is here is to give
someone some, just for their ownmindset that it might have not
been something liability.
Yep.
Of, I might've had the blank,but there they're like, no, you
hit'em or you didn't.
I don't know.
You shot at him.
Dani (52:47):
So anyways, that was the new, I just felt, because what
we discuss on a weekly basis isdeath penalty cases and also the
reasoning, I understand thereasoning behind these lawmakers
because they, and it was arguedthat there is so many issues
(53:09):
with lethal injection beingraised And we've discussed this
before, but to sentence somebodyto die and then not have a
method to do it.
Yeah.
We've we've discussed thatbefore.
How that's like.
They said that that was, um,
Stephanie (53:26):
that's cruel and unusual.
Dani (53:27):
Right, right.
And so
Stephanie (53:29):
anyway, I don't know how I feel about I, it's just
news.
So almost all of our cases arein Idaho.
Some are Washington, Idaho, orjust really close around here.
But especially since we've doneso many death penalty cases, it
was just a.
Poignant piece of, of news thatcame down recently.
I think it was today.
Yeah, it was just today.
(53:49):
By the time it reaches y'allwe're, we're always a couple
weeks by the time we post'em.
But anyway, crazy update, Ithink 2026.
July, 2026.
Mm-hmm.
Is what they said.
'cause they're building thefacility.
they're like taking a block ofthe prison that wasn't used or
something.
Yeah, yeah.
Dani (54:06):
They, they had given $750,000 to do this, I think
last year or the year before.
Mm-hmm.
When the whole co kohlberg thingcame down.
Yeah.
And because it, it has been thebackup method, but,
Stephanie (54:19):
and Creech was a big, another big thing where there
like,
Dani (54:24):
that was a fail.
That was a hard fall.
That, no.
So, and I do think, yeah.
I.
I, I don't know how I feel
Stephanie (54:35):
about it.
It's because it puts why they'reso concerned is because with the
fail of Cree is if, if you areputting someone through that,
that can affect every deathpenalty case mm-hmm.
Across the entire United States.
Mm-hmm.
So that's what they're worriedabout.
Yep.
Whether you agree with it ornot, they're like, if we can't
get this to work and are puttingsomeone through this, this could
(54:59):
jeopardize.
And be just a mess, essentially.
So that's why they're doing it.
But I hope that you guys en likeenjoyed the two, two episode
format.
some crazy stories that we hadtoday to, I know The Poor Youngs
Dani (55:16):
and the poor Furmans who had lived these good
Stephanie (55:20):
lives and we're trying to help people.
Yeah, overall and just overall,unfortunately some really bad
actors.
Came into contact with them.
So,
Dani (55:32):
you know, to live this is what a, a horrible way to go out
for, for these folks.
Well, what a
Stephanie (55:39):
shame for the people that did this.
Dani (55:41):
Yeah.
And these people lived theselong lives.
They were good people.
And then you got some assholesout here killing elderly people.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Stephanie (55:54):
Go fuck yourselves.
Yeah, go fuck yourselves, pleaserot.
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(56:36):
Fuck yeah.
Thank you for watching.
All right, everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Lethal Library.
I am Stephanie.
Dani (00:36):
I'm Danny
Stephanie (00:37):
and here Danny is gonna tell us another true crime
story from Idaho.
And this one is gonna be, atleast one, is very local.
We're actually gonna do twostories in one'cause they're a
little bit shorter, but just soyou get a full episode, that's
how we're gonna do it today.
So let us know what you think.
Dani (00:55):
Yeah, I, set out and started some research and ended
up.
A little short for timelines.
So I thought these, two, wouldfit together.
And so I'm gonna tell you twostories today.
Stephanie (01:08):
Let's go.
Dani (01:09):
our first story is about Bob and Idella Young.
They were, an elderly couple,from Nampa that unfortunately
were murdered.
At their house for of course noreason.
And I'm gonna it.
(01:32):
Yeah.
This is a why, why, why.
Stephanie (01:36):
There's been a several of those around the area
where it's just pointless.
Dani (01:42):
Bob and Idella Young were found dead in their home on
December 29th, 2003.
They were discovered by a friendwho had been unable to reach
them.
The police found no signs offorced entry, so they believe
the killer may have been anacquaintance of the couple.
(02:02):
Bob was 82 and Idella was 74.
Bob was found bound in theirhome office with two stab
wounds.
The evidence showed that Bob hadstruggled with the attacker
Idella was found bound in thekitchen of their home with a
stab wound as well.
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The home had been ransacked withdrawers left open and closed,
thrown about, and after furtherinvestigation, the police
believe the youngs were murderedsometime between 7:00 PM on
Christmas day and 8:00 AM onDecember 26th.
So very short time period.
Yeah.
And the holidays too.
(02:46):
A neighbor had spoken with theYoungs at 8:10 PM on Christmas
day about he'd went over thereto talk to them, about taking
care of his car while he was outof town.
'cause he was leaving and he'slike, Hey, will you watch my
car?
Hmm.
The next morning around 8:00 AMhe went to drop off the keys to
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his car, but the youngs didn'tanswer the door.
The neighbor found this oddbecause the Youngs were early
risers.
Mm-hmm.
Their home behind Albertsons wascurrently for sale because the
Youngs are trying to downsizeand simplify their lives.
Recently, Bob Young had been inand outta the hospital due to
his cancer diagnosis.
(03:27):
Alright.
Oh, the couple had been marriedsince 1961.
Oh, that's a lu.
That's L The couple had asuccessful appliance business in
Oregon.
They started around 1961 whenthey got married.
They raised six childrentogether all from previous
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marriages, and they raised agranddaughter.
Stephanie (03:51):
A real Brady Bunch.
Yeah, a for sure.
Brady Bunch, for sure.
Oh my gosh.
Who did this to our dear Bob andDel?
Dani (04:01):
I'm, this guy's a fucking dick.
in 1980, the Youngs moved toNampa and started a real estate
business.
The couple originally moved toNampa to take care of Bob's
mother who lived across thestreet.
Stephanie (04:17):
Aw, these are good people, so they're all right
there.
Bob and
Dani (04:20):
Idella were very involved in their church and made many
trips to jackpot.
They the pilgrimage, you gottalove you some jackpot.
Yeah.
Former renters and friendsstated that they were kind and
helpful people.
One former renter.
Joanna Luna told of how BobYoung had fixed her washer.
(04:41):
Another former renter, Norma andMario Trevino, stated the Youngs
had helped many low incomefamilies in the area buy homes.
Stephanie (04:51):
So they were renters and also in real estate, and so
they were also helping peoplebuy homes.
So not a slumlord?
No.
What a great landlord.
Right.
I think that anyone rentingright now would love if their
landlord was like.
I also work in real estate.
They know of homes or maybe theyhave homes they don't wanna rent
anymore.
Right?
And can give you, since theyknow you, Ugh.
(05:15):
People would kill for that.
Now Stephanie, that was not acute go home.
I'm just gonna, you know what?
I'm gonna, I forgot what ourpodcast is about.
(05:38):
Thank you.
It was so nice.
Call the Uber, Call the UberHeidi!!
Dani (05:51):
Even I caught that.
Normally, I'm so into my story.
Stephanie (05:57):
What am I doing, Danny?
To be fair, I've been sick.
I'm under a lot of stress rightnow.
Okay.
All right folks.
Remember what kind of podcastyou're doing, Stephanie, let's
be a little bit more mindful indemure.
How about that?
Be fucking demure stuff peoplewould kill for that.
(06:20):
Let me take a drink first.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Dani (06:24):
I can.
That was great.
I think, oh man, that's rankingup there with emotional support
first for me.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
they were just good people.
Yeah, it sounds like it.
(06:44):
They were really good people.
More than 700 mourners came totheir funeral.
Hmm.
They were just so well knownaround here.
A reward fund was set up by alocal realtors group that
reached$10,000.
These people were beloved bytheir family, friends, and the
community.
(07:04):
Yeah.
Hands down.
So that was in 2003, right?
2004.
DNA was collected.
Finally, let's go.
DNA CO was collected from theevidence and was tested.
They found blood on a whitecotton glove and a torn finger
(07:27):
from a latex glove.
I don't know why the double,double gloves trying to be
sneaky, but Mm.
Yeah.
Blood was also found on theYoung's fax machine that takes
you back.
They're business people, theyprobably use that thing all the
time.
A small spot of DNA was found onIdella's hip, possibly sweat or
(07:52):
spit of the killer.
Stephanie (07:53):
Hmm.
Dani (07:55):
Which, can I just say back in, I mean, 20 years ago,
Stephanie (07:59):
this is the early days.
Dani (08:00):
Yeah.
They were looking for DNA sweat.
Stephanie (08:04):
Yeah.
You can't, they were
Dani (08:04):
looking for blood.
Stephanie (08:06):
Blood, yeah.
Semen or something that like,you know, someone has touched or
would like a cloth that mighthave been like wiped on a
forehead maybe, but not a dropof sweat
Dani (08:17):
on her hip hip because people, they, I mean, they
weren't testing.
Parts of your body like that.
Mm-hmm.
Now they can do it like they doit all.
They'll swap you up.
Yeah.
Over 70 people of interest wereeliminated from the test
results.
Thank you.
DNA, I just can't believe therewould be 70
Stephanie (08:38):
people.
But I mean, they were, they weretrying, who knows if there's a
tenant that was, maybe it didn'twork out so great.
I mean, they knew a lot ofpeople, right?
Dani (08:47):
They were very well known, so.
But to have 70 people
Stephanie (08:51):
eliminated.
Well, and even just people thatweren't mad at them.
All the neighbors, if you werearound the area in the time, you
are not a suspect, but you're aperson of interest because you
were around here at that time.
So
Dani (09:07):
Year after year, their daughter, Kathleen Young
Loggins, would write to thelocal newspaper editors
reminding the public of theunsolved murder.
Stephanie (09:17):
And that's one of the best things that you can do in
an un unsolved case.
'cause there's been many casesthat some we've done podcasts on
where someone sees a newspaperyears later and is like, oh my
gosh, I remember that person.
I remember that night.
Or I saw that person.
So just doing a yearlyanniversary thing.
(09:37):
It might seem futile, but youmight catch the right ear.
Dani (09:41):
And they were, they were very beautiful letters talking
about how wonderful wholeparents were and also like a
tribute.
Yeah.
Also, hey, this is unsolved.
Please, please, please.
You know, someone come forward.
Yeah, someone knows something.
After nearly five years, anarrest was finally made.
(10:05):
On November 6th, 2008, Pete KRoberts age 44 was arrested on
first degree murder.
He also faced two counts offirst degree kidnapping.
Oh, prosecutors filed a noticeof intent to seek the death
penalty.
(10:25):
Shit's getting real, real quicktoo.
Roberts was originally arrestedin September on a concealed
weapons charge.
Roberts was no stranger to theNampa Police Department.
He was convicted or pled guiltyto drug charges in both 1992 and
1998.
(10:45):
In 2006, a local man told theNampa Police Department that
several comments made by Robert.
Led him to believe that he wasresponsible for hurting some
people behind the Albertsons.
Stephanie (11:00):
See, someone has picked up on just some little
things where they might havethought, oh, that can't possibly
be that, and then he sayssomething else where you're
like,
Dani (11:09):
Ooh,
Stephanie (11:10):
oh,
Dani (11:12):
maybe, oh, let's see where this goes.
A woman came forward in late2008 that previously dated
Roberts.
Uh, these guys, I mean, good,but these guys telling, um, I
have to tell you something.
Tell me's my deep dark secret.
(11:33):
Don't,
Stephanie (11:33):
don't tell
Dani (11:34):
me.
Stephanie (11:34):
Well, and I wonder if it comes out as like a moment of
toughness, of like, you don'twanna mess with me.
You heard about those peoplebehind the Albertsons.
I
Dani (11:45):
feel like some people do that out of.
Trying to be vulnerable to suckyou
Stephanie (11:54):
in.
Right?
There was a Dateline I justlistened to that was like a guy
told his girlfriend, she said,what's the worst thing you've
ever done?
Let's get it outta the way now.
And he literally admitted to amurder of like a famous college
football player that no onecould solve.
And she was like, this guy's,there's no way.
(12:14):
But then.
Dani (12:16):
I feel like that's kind of a, a narcissist.
That's what a narcissist woulddo.
Mm-hmm.
Because they are pulling you inand saying, I'm giving you
everything.
Look at this.
Yeah, yeah.
What I would do for you.
Yeah.
Roberts had told her he had donesomething that if somebody found
(12:37):
out he would go away forever.
Uh, let me narrow down the list.
Motherfucker murder.
What?
Because you've
Stephanie (12:44):
done,
Dani (12:44):
yeah.
Roberts was singled out after heagreed to a DNA test.
'cause he might have not haveknown about the DNA.
2008.
Where are you living?
Under a rock,
Stephanie (12:58):
apparently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think some people think eitherthere's no way that I left
something, they think they weremore careful, two pairs of
gloves, or they think that theydon't understand the amount of
DNA that it, like it's, it canbe next to nothing.
Mm-hmm.
And so they're like, there'sjust no way.
Or they don't understand thatDNA is like one in a billion
(13:23):
usually.
So there's, they're like, yeah,me and a thousand other folks
got the same.
No, you don't.
Dani (13:30):
No,
Stephanie (13:31):
you don't.
Dani (13:32):
No.
Roberts had mostly beenunemployed, but sometimes worked
in construction or in the animalslaughter industry.
Uh, we know that job.
Uh, what do you mean?
We know that job, not theslaughter part, but we know
(13:52):
where that job was.
We know like armors?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Like, yes.
He, he, like
Stephanie (13:59):
Danny.
I've never done
Dani (14:00):
that job before.
I don't do that.
I feel pretty confident saying99% sure he worked at Armor's.
No,
Stephanie (14:06):
that's probably at Armor's.
A big, big meat packing plant inthe, in that time.
Dani (14:11):
His most recent job was gathering and selling scrap
metal
Stephanie (14:17):
drugs, a real job, or are we stealing copper from air
conditioners and catalyticconverters?
That's what he put on hisresume.
Dani (14:27):
So why the Youngs exactly?
The police stated that Robertswas a previous renter of the
Youngs.
He was not a good tenant, oftenpaying late.
And also Roberts had suspectedthat Bob had reportedly kissed
his ex-wife and was, and thisoutraged him.
(14:50):
Drugs.
I don't believe that.
Drugs, drugs, drugs, policesaid.
he was probably on meth andparanoid.
I'm just telling you.
Yeah.
These people were good people.
Police said there is absolutelyno evidence to support this
claim.
He's out there kissing tenantswives.
Stephanie (15:06):
I don't believe it.
Yeah, not with Idel.
No, no, no.
Because I'm sure that she, we'verented from an older couple and
lemme tell you, she ran theroost.
And there would never have beenanything that she didn't know
about.
No.
No
Dani (15:21):
fuckery, no, he, he was delusional.
I think it was him eitherimagining being paranoid on
drugs or trying to just makesome pathetic, some type of
motive.
Excuse.
Oh, well I
Stephanie (15:36):
had to shut the fuck up.
Bob didn't do
Dani (15:40):
that.
Roberts, pled not guilty, andthe trial is set for April of
2010.
February 5th, 2010, Roberts justsays, he pled guilty to two
counts of first degree murder.
Oh, for the stabbing of Bob andIdella Young on Christmas Day in
(16:03):
2003.
And he, he did this'cause thedeath penalty was on the table.
He will serve two life sentenceswithout the possibility of
parole.
Roberts is currently 60 yearsold and in the custody of the
Idaho State Correctional Center.
As you should be.
Go fuck yourself.
How
Stephanie (16:23):
dare you do that to Bob and Idel.
Dani (16:26):
It's so sad because to live your life, this is what
breaks my heart.
First of all, they're goodpeople, but to for that, to your
life, to end that way after theyhave been good, righteous
people.
(16:46):
They're whole on Christmas.
Yeah.
You're a
Stephanie (16:50):
dick.
Like, and I'm sorry, I knowthat, you know, people get
behind, people struggle to payrent.
This was a different time whererent was way more affordable.
Dani (17:01):
Yeah.
Stephanie (17:02):
So much like you could be working probably a mini
minimum wage job, or it's smidgemore and still live in a small
location comfortably.
You didn't have to have three orfour roommates.
Dani (17:14):
Right?
Stephanie (17:14):
So if you're not paying your rent.
Your drug
Dani (17:18):
habit's too big, bro.
And get a real job instead ofscrapping.
Yeah, scrapping.
We know what that was.
Mm-hmm.
Shut up.
Stephanie (17:27):
Anyway, that's very unfortunate.
Yeah.
So RIP, Bob and Idel and Rotforever.
Roberts.
Yes.
Dani (17:36):
So I have another one coming up, but Okay.
Let's take a break.
Let's take a break.
Stephanie (17:49):
All right guys, we are back.
had a little break.
We have our, had our first shortstory.
another story.
Kind of in a similar vein,another elderly couple.
It sounds like.
Is it a couple?
Dani (18:01):
It is.
Stephanie (18:02):
Alright, well, let's, let's let Danny get into it.
Dani (18:06):
there is of course murder, attempted murder, robbery, and a
14-year-old assailant.
It two generous people trying tohelp fellow human beings turns
into a disaster.
Assholes being assholes.
I am still trying to figure outwhy, my resources for this story
(18:31):
are the Daily Sentinel, theTimes News, and the Idaho
Statesman.
Stephanie (18:36):
Thank you Statesman.
Dani (18:37):
on January 6th, 1996.
William Duke and Dahlman FurmanBull 72 were found dead in their
home by a relative in Downey,Idaho.
Do you know where Downey's at?
Stephanie (18:51):
I do not.
Dani (18:52):
Yes.
This is why I write this down.
Stephanie (18:55):
Thank you.
Dani (18:56):
Uh, Downey is about 40 miles south of Pocatello.
Hello.
Downey is a tiny town whereeveryone knows each other.
The population in 2020 was 571people.
Stephanie (19:10):
Tiny town.
Dani (19:11):
So you take off 25 years off of that tiny year?
Yeah.
Okay.
When the emergency medicsarrived, they thought at first
there might be a chance torevive Dalma.
Under Sheriff Lauren Nielsensaid it appeared when they were
(19:31):
found that they had possiblydied in their sleep.
The couple had just.
Had a new propane, gas furnaceinstalled.
It was thought that the couplemay have died from carbon
monoxide poisoning.
The blood on the victims wasconsistent with asphyxiation
(19:53):
because blood vessels canrupture when this up, when, when
this happens.
Okay, but also, what the fuckwere these guys looking at?
Hmm.
Tell me about it.
The coroner finally arrived twoor three hours later because
(20:16):
they thought that they noemergency passed, and it's out
in the middle of nowhere.
So the, the, the coroner arrivestwo or three hours later and he
started looking and said, oh,this is homicide.
Oops.
(20:37):
It was determined the coupledied from gunshot wounds.
From a 3 57 Magnum,
Stephanie (20:43):
A 3 57.
How could you confus naturalcauses?
Look, they look so peaceful.
They're just little bit a smidgeof blood, carbon monoxide
poisoning.
Dani (21:01):
With a three 50 seven's a big gun.
Are we not?
Stephanie (21:04):
Are we not Exactly.
Are we not taking a flashlight?
Are we going into a dark room,seeing some blood, like a
trickle of blood outta nose orsomething and being like, must
be the CO2, that new furnace.
Let, let's peek around a little.
You don't have to touchanything.
No, you don't have to moveanyone.
Look, you can't tell me therewasn't blood like pooling
(21:28):
somewhere.
Get out of town.
Dani (21:34):
The furman's neighbor two miles down the road discovered
his horse had been shot.
Okay?
The same like after autopsieswere performed on the deceased
and the horse.
It was discovered the bulletswere a match.
Why are we shooting the horse?
(21:57):
Uh, hold on.
Lemme tell you why please,Danny.
Because I just like, what?
There's no reason they're justfucking idiots.
Stephanie (22:05):
And that makes it even worse.
I know.
Why?
Why would you want to?
Horses are so fucking cool.
What would make you be like, I'mgonna pop you too.
Get outta here.
I wish that horse would'vekicked you right in the chest.
Dani (22:24):
Authorities put the word out with the assistance of the
FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol,tobacco and Firearms.
Ooh, a TF and FBI.
Let's go.
They quickly found out thepolice were already looking for
these men.
Ooh.
So they were creating somehavoc.
Apparently the break came whenthey discovered the same caliber
(22:46):
bullet used to kill the furmansand the horse.
Was used in another crime a fewstates away,
Stephanie (22:56):
dumb criminals.
Dani (23:00):
A warrant was issued out of Colorado for two men.
The member suspected in aconvenience store, robbery and
shooting in Grand Junction,Colorado, just two days earlier
on January 4th.
Stephanie (23:12):
So y'all are just showing your ass and popping
whoever, like, oh, I can't waitto tell you about their car.
Okay.
It's one thing to Rob and I'mnot saying it's okay.
I understand why people rob, andthey're on the run on a little
like mission across the UnitedStates for the most part.
(23:32):
You usually don't have to bekilling people though.
So what are we doing?
Dani (23:39):
Two men along with a 14-year-old accomplice.
Stephanie (23:44):
14.
Mm-hmm.
Dani (23:46):
Held up Crystal Bunker while she was working at the
Gasa Mac convenience store, notthe
Stephanie (23:53):
Gasa Mac,
Dani (23:55):
I hope I'm saying that right.
They came into the store andgrabbed drinks from the cooler.
Then they walked up to Crystal'sregister, and all of a sudden
she heard a pop, like afirecracker.
And she said she started to feelnumb and tingly before she
passed out.
She didn't even know.
(24:16):
Same, same.
When she regained consciousness,blood was dripping down her
face.
She didn't realize she had beenshot.
Stephanie (24:25):
Oh my God.
She
Dani (24:27):
called 9 1 1 to report the robbery.
Crystal continued servingcustomers.
Stephanie (24:35):
Employee of the month, year, and decade.
Give her an Oscar.
Now
Dani (24:41):
with a rag wrapped around her head, she pumped gas for a
customer at the full servicestation.
What customers
Stephanie (24:51):
are like, oh, sweet.
You're a head wound.
A head wound bleeds profusely.
It can be a small slice.
Dani (25:00):
That customer is a dick.
Uh, yeah.
Could you just fill it up?
Yeah, I regularly let it.
Please.
Yeah.
I need po
Stephanie (25:06):
please.
Thank you.
Dani (25:09):
Rolls the window back up.
Yeah, as blood is dripping downher face, she's like, sure,
sure.
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What the fuck?
She returned back inside andsold a can of Copenhagen to
another customer before thepolice arrived.
Stephanie (25:26):
She's like, I think something scratched me or
something, sweetie.
You got a goddamn bullet in ya.
Can you believe that?
I can because you know, that'show we're trained.
Be it, be a good worker.
Yep.
Jobs are important.
Gotta gotta do the best and.
(25:47):
Gosh, I would've been like, pumpyour own gas bitch.
This is 96.
I think the minimum wage is like$3.
Right?
I'd be like,
Dani (25:54):
pump your own gas.
I'm bleeding here.
I think you can get it.
You know how to pull the pull.
Just pull the handle.
You can get it.
Go can, can you make it home andback here tomorrow?
A labor.
I know it might be inconvenientto stop on your way to work
tomorrow, but look, I just wasrobbed.
Maybe shot in the head.
Um, she at least knew she hadbeen robbed.
(26:18):
Yeah.
I'm, as, I'm kind of assumingthat she thought maybe, probably
in shock and, uh, maybe shethought maybe she was hit, maybe
or just passed out.
She, someone punched
Stephanie (26:31):
me
Dani (26:31):
Right.
Or hit her with something.
Sure.
Or whatever.
I just can't, crystal, you're abadass.
She's gonna
Stephanie (26:37):
rag around her head.
Dani (26:40):
She finally found out that she was shot after she heard an
x-ray technician say, yep, it'sthere referring to the
Stephanie (26:48):
bullet, and the technicians are not supposed to
say anything.
I know.
You know, But you always seethat, that like ultrasound
technicians are not supposed to,supposed to give you the news.
But you can always watch theirface of like, if it's an
ultrasound or like someonethat's reviewing your X-ray and
they're like, I'll have to letthe doctor tell you.
(27:09):
You're like, but, and this one'sjust like I, yeah.
There's a bullet in there.
Yeah, there's a, I wouldappreciate, thank you.
I don't wanna wait another 40minutes for doctor to, don't
send me back to my room
Dani (27:19):
and wait.
Yes.
Stephanie (27:21):
There's a bullet in your head,
Dani (27:22):
right?
a bullet had grazed her foreheadand lodged in the right side of
her head.
Surgeons were able to remove thebullet from her head, and she
spent five days in the hospital,but she got the fucker, the gas.
Oh my God.
I just, I can't get over thatcustomer.
Sorry.
Stephanie (27:41):
Good for, good for you.
I hope that you are thriving.
Whatever's happening.
I hope that you were blessed.
In some way because goodnessgracious girl,
Dani (27:53):
the wound left her with some memory loss.
Sure.
And she has problems with herthought and word processes.
Stephanie (28:00):
Bummer.
She's alive though, and sowishing you all the best.
Well, she sounds like a trooper,so I'm sure that
Dani (28:06):
What a bad, she's in the best.
Stephanie (28:09):
Yeah.
Dani (28:10):
I'm like, I'm, excuse me, I'm not doing shit.
I got shot in the literal face.
I quit.
Gimme a break.
These fuckers got away with only200 bucks.
Wow.
That was
Stephanie (28:23):
worth it.
And you probably wouldn't haveeven needed to shoot her.
No.
She said she didn't even knowwhat was going on.
She just gets shot.
Yeah.
You didn't even ask.
No.
Ask for the money.
Say, I need that money, please.
I have a gun.
and she'd been like, here.
She sounds eager to serve.
Yeah.
She's pumping people's gas witha bullet in her fucking brain.
(28:46):
Come on.
Dani (28:49):
Arrest warrants were issued for the two men, and a
description of their vehicle wasreleased.
Hell yeah.
The men were driving a 1979Pontiac Sunbird.
That was cream on the front andred on the rear.
Very distinct vehicle.
Stephanie (29:08):
Very
Dani (29:09):
deme.
Stephanie (29:10):
It's not demure.
Dani (29:12):
They also Mm, no.
Washington license plates,dates, bros.
Get, get a can of spray paint.
Let's an, an officer inClarkston, Washington recognized
the waterman's vehicle andfollowed it back to their hotel
room because they knew they werefrom Washington.
(29:34):
They, they knew who thesepeople, the license plates, they
knew of them.
They're like, oh, this area.
So of course they're letting,oh, those guys, they're letting
everybody know, the police.
The police just called theirroom and advised both men to
surrender.
You imagine that, oh, maybe
Stephanie (29:54):
it's.
The front desk.
Maybe they got that BHS that we
Dani (29:58):
did.
My pizza get delivered, bro.
Stephanie (29:59):
Got a, they have I ordered room service.
So we got, we got that 200bucks.
I ordered some room service.
Oh.
Um, it's, it's a sheriff or someofficers.
Dani (30:12):
My pay-per-view porn is not working.
Stephanie (30:16):
but Oh, the cops, we need to exit now.
Dani (30:21):
Oh, guess it's over, bro.
They peacefully surrendered at4:00 AM They thought about it
for a minute.
They're like,
Stephanie (30:33):
they called a room.
They know where we're at.
We got the gun here.
The car's outside.
Yeah, and how, how that is damirand mindful of the cops to be
like, listen up, let's not makethis a big thing.
Can you just come outsidebecause we're here,
Dani (30:53):
other people are sleeping in this home.
We're here.
Stephanie (30:55):
You're
Dani (30:55):
here and there's people sleeping and they're on
vacation, so let's not beassholes.
Okay?
I mean, you've already doneenough asshole stuff.
Yeah, let's, let's just cleanthis.
You got your 3
Stephanie (31:08):
57, but we've got literally 20 guns on you right
now.
Let's go.
So let's go
Dani (31:14):
James Harvey Hairston 19 and Richard James.
Clip full 28.
Yes, that's a hard one to say.
Are being held on the warrantfrom Colorado for attempted
murder and armed robbery.
Idaho detectives say We, on ourway, we're coming and in a short
(31:41):
amount of time, of course,January 16th, Harrison is
charged with two counts of firstdegree murder and clip full with
two counts of being a principalto first degree murder for the
Idaho crimes.
Colorado doesn't matter now.
Stephanie (31:59):
Idaho's like literally home my beer.
We'll, what?
We'll take care of it.
That's exactly, we'll take careof it.
Just let
Dani (32:08):
Idaho have'em.
plus each is being charged withone can of robbery.
The complaint states they took.
This is from the Furmans inIdaho.
That poor elderly couple.
Mm-hmm.
Lost their life over$30 in cash.
A phone calling card.
A credit card, and a saxophone.
Stephanie (32:32):
This is just so pathetic.
It isn't funny at all, but it'sjust ridiculous.
They're like, I know I can pawnon this saxophone.
They're hauling around.
A fucking saxophone that theystole from an elderly couple and
$30.
This is almost as bad as theother one.
That was$18 and change.
(32:53):
Yeah.
A, B and e.
Dani (32:58):
What?
What was the reason, and couldyou please explain for the
youngsters, the phone callingcard?
Stephanie (33:09):
Oh, yeah.
So if you wanted to dial longdistance.
Ooh, you can't just dial longdistance.
You have to pay for those.
So you get a phone calling cardand that gives you minutes on
like a payphone or really anyphone.
And it's not going on your phonebill'cause it's hella expensive.
Very, the long distance calling.
This is why area code to areacode was a big deal.
(33:33):
And so Idaho.
Just recently got a second areacode, so it wasn't a big deal
here.
But in bigger cities like NewYork, la, if you met someone and
their area code was differentthan you, that's big time
spending to call someone.
(33:54):
So it was like it could break upa possible relationship if
you're trying to date someone.
It's like, I can't be spending$20 a night talking to you.
Dani (34:04):
And it was seriously, it was like 20 cents a minute to
call from like Nampa to Boise,which is literally.
20 minutes away.
Figuratively.
Stephanie (34:16):
Yeah.
But like that's how it is inlike New York and everything.
Dani (34:18):
Uhhuh.
but if you bought these callingcards, you could get like
discount minutes.
Yes.
To be the less So it was more
Stephanie (34:27):
effective.
So you could be Mr.
Worldwide if you wanted to
Dani (34:33):
Anyways.
They're old school.
Old old school.
These two fuckers could face thedeath penalty'cause we're in
Idaho.
That's why they said I'll takecare of it.
Mm-hmm.
So trial dates are set and a gagorder was issued on the case.
(34:55):
Okay.
Cliff Fill decided to cut a dealwith the prosecution to avoid
the death penalty in August.
Who's gonna cut the deal first?
That's literally, mm-hmm.
Stephanie (35:06):
That's, and I wish that people knew this because
whoever folds first is usuallygonna get the best deal, and it
sucks.
But that's how it is.
So realize other people'sloyalty to you and your loyalty
to them, because,
Dani (35:26):
uh, and I didn't write this down, but they're.
So there's an age, a 10 year agedifference between these two
guys.
Right.
I saw that.
It was very weird to me.
So there was an age difference,a 10 year age difference between
these two, and the older guywas.
You would assume was theringleader like telling
(35:47):
everybody what to do.
Mm-hmm.
And one of the prosecutors, Ididn't write this down, but
literally was quoted in thenewspaper saying, cliff Full is
one of the most stupidest menI've ever met.
And there is no way he couldhave put this all together.
Even as asinine as, is that aword?
(36:08):
As even their plan that was soasinine and just reckless, he
couldn't even give him that.
Stephanie (36:18):
Wow.
What a weird power dynamic.
Yeah.
For someone to say that in thenews.
Yeah.
And be like.
It was quoted, no, but he's,he's literally a dipshit, so
he's very fucking stupid,
Dani (36:34):
is what he wanted to say.
so he, he did the deal with theprosecutors.
he pled guilty to two counts ofbeing a principal to first
degree murder, and agreed totestify against Hairston to
avoid the death penalty.
Took the plea.
Little backtracking here.
(36:54):
Actually, it's not backtracking.
We're, we're gonna head over toColorado for a hot minute.
What's Colorado doing?
The 14-year-old Matthew Brickeywas charged as an adult in
Colorado.
Oh shit.
For the robbery.
Oh,
Stephanie (37:08):
cause he was part of that one.
Dani (37:10):
Yeah, he was part of that one.
He admitted to being there.
Uh, brickie ended up pleadingguilty as a juvenile to
attempted first degree murderand was sentenced to five years
in a juvenile detentionfacility.
This will be the only convictionfor the crime in Colorado
(37:32):
because Idaho has it.
Yeah, Idaho has
Stephanie (37:36):
it.
I I can see that I would, if, ifI was Crystal or Crystal's
family, I would want them toalso have.
At least some more years hangingover their heads here, but at
least the 14-year-old still got,what are you doing out there
shooting a clerk for no reason.
Dani (37:56):
I'll say this, I, I read later, that Brickie was doing
well in his juvenile detentionand they wanted to move him to
another facility where he couldget.
More things, better things.
and Crystal was there and heapologized to Crystal profusely.
(38:20):
He said, I'm so sorry.
I sh I can't believe that, youknow, I was participant in
possibly, you know, taking yourlife.
This, he sounded very sincereand I looked him up and I
couldn't find anything.
After this, so, well at
Stephanie (38:38):
14, you know, you're, you're not cut out to be making
decisions like that.
So that's good to hear that.
And so it sounds like he didpretty
Dani (38:47):
okay after this was a good, he did his thing.
I'm assuming he probably gotbullied into it or was the with
the wrong people at the wrongtime.
Maybe he knew about it.
Stayed straight.
Yeah.
so in September of that year,the trial begins for Hairston in
opening statements, bannockCounty prosecutor, mark
(39:09):
Heideman, told jurors that hairfired two bullets into each one
of the victim's heads.
And then the pair ransacked thehome for cash.
Mm-hmm.
And credit cards Oh my God.
I hope I say this name right.
The public defender, Randy Schulsaid it was.
(39:31):
A clip full that fired thedeadly bullets.
And the only reason Harrison wasthe one that used the credit
cards and pawn stolen items, AKAsaxophone, was that he was the
only one with identification.
Okay?
Mm, weak sauce.
O clip full gets on the standand testifies.
(39:57):
He said that they had run outtamoney by the time they got to
Idaho.
The 200 bucks went fast, right?
Yeah.
They chose the rural housebecause it looked like someone
lived there.
He was under the impression thatthey were just gonna go in and
ask for help or money.
(40:18):
The couple invited the men intothe house after inquiring about
help.
So that's, they're good people.
They're like, no, come on in.
Duke was looking through atelephone book for a number of
someone he thought might havesome work for the men trying to
(40:39):
help them.
Mm-hmm.
And that's when Harriston pulledout the pistol and shot him in
the head.
Harrison shot Dharma twice andthen turned back to Duke and
shot him once more.
Can we just go back to theevidence?
The very beginning?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stephanie (41:00):
And the, so this is like on the floor, I'm assuming?
Well, they're not in bed.
They're no.
Actively
Dani (41:09):
looking in a, I didn't, I don't get it.
Natural causes.
He's on the floor with a phonebook open.
It just, it makes no sense.
Stephanie (41:19):
No,
Dani (41:21):
After shooting the fermans, that's when they went
through the house and theycollected the$30, the phone
card, credit card, and such.
The two men after leaving therepurchased toy remote control
cars, tires, food, gas, andlodging with a stolen credit
(41:44):
card.
Stephanie (41:46):
Were the remote controlled cars necessary
because that's making me want topunch my microphone.
Dani (41:55):
They also attempted to purchase a Harley Davidson
motorcycle.
Stephanie (41:59):
Oh, are you gonna ride back to back?
You got your passenger behindyou.
You got your
Dani (42:04):
backpack and$2,500 worth of snowboarding equipment, but
the credit card was rejected.
Stephanie (42:12):
We're gonna go boarding and have a Harley, me
and you
Dani (42:16):
best bros for life.
This is the fucking, like, I'mgonna strap my board actually to
the Harley.
Oh, our boards can fit right?
Like right on the sides
Stephanie (42:28):
and then I can be behind you.
We're on a Harley and our, ourhair, our mullets are going in
the wind, bro.
And it's me and you.
Please shut the fuck up.
I,
Dani (42:46):
on September 10th, the jury deliberated for only two
hours before finding Hairstonguilty of murdering Duke and
Dalma because they did.
Mm-hmm.
They're like, okay.
we agree.
Okay, cool.
Let's just sit here for aminute.
Stephanie (43:04):
Yeah.
We'll just make sure everyoneyou can marinate with it.
If anything comes up, just letus know.
Dani (43:10):
Everybody's provided with a copy of the jury instructions.
I feel like we should read thosethoroughly and then have a vote.
That's what happened.
Stephanie (43:20):
Anything, any red flags, anything anyone wants to
bring up?
They're like, I got nothingchief.
I got nothing.
Alright, let's tell the judge.
Dani (43:33):
Gotta give him 15 minutes to sign all the paperwork.
Well, and they probably get asnack or something like, yeah.
Cliff fill is officiallysentenced in October.
He is sentenced to life with apossibility of parole after 20
years.
On November 15th, Harrison'ssentenced to death for the
murders and is also sentenced tolife in prison without the
(43:56):
possibility of parole for therobbery.
I love when they do this'causethey're just like,
Stephanie (44:02):
you're never getting out.
You're never
Dani (44:04):
getting out.
So go ahead and appeal.
Go ahead.
And he does in 1997, here we go.
Appeals, appeals, appeals,hairston's, post-conviction
relief hearing is aboutineffective counsel, of course.
And a stay is granted by theSupreme Court for the automatic
review as they do.
(44:27):
In 99, the US Supreme Courtupheld the death penalty for
Hairston.
He still has several appealprocesses available.
Mm-hmm.
Here we go.
In oh seven, a petition in frontof the Idaho State Supreme Court
argued that only juries, notjudges, can hand down the death
(44:47):
penalty.
The court declined his claimsaying he waited too long to
raise those issues.
Oh.
Which I am having a hard timeunderstanding from other
research that I've done, butthis is a later case.
So I think when all of thatstuff was happening was like
2002, 2003, it's like, whydidn't you jump
Stephanie (45:08):
in?
Like, yeah, we've known aboutthis for a while.
Mm-hmm.
We've, we've kind of settledthis and now I'm not, I don't
know how that, how all thatworks.
Yeah.
But.
If that's what they said and it,that's how it went way they told
him to go down.
Sand
Dani (45:24):
is what they did.
Yeah.
2015, cliff is advised 15.
Cliff is advised he's being heldon a$250,000 bond for warrant
for attempted first degreemurder, aggravated robbery,
first degree assault with adeadly weapon and misdemeanor
(45:47):
theft in Colorado.
Stephanie (45:49):
Oh shit.
Now you're really fucked, buddy.
This
Dani (45:54):
is right before his chance to go up in front of the parole
board.
20 years.
Oh.
Do you see it, sister?
20 years.
Whoa.
Surprise, surprise.
They're like, surprise,surprise.
They're like, oh yeah, thatother thing.
So just if you get out of thisthing, just know you're not
going anywhere, just in case.
(46:15):
Uh, we
Stephanie (46:16):
also know about the same shit you did here.
So we're gonna be asking youabout, about that.
You wanted to see the
Dani (46:21):
Rockies?
Yep.
Come on.
Stephanie (46:24):
Mile High clap.
Dani (46:26):
Let's go.
Come on over.
in 2020, an appeal is rejectedby the I Supreme Court Harrison,
stating he was too young to besentenced to death.
So this was his argument becauseas we know, times have changed
and evolved.
Yeah.
And so even though you'reallowed to go to war at 18, a
(46:51):
lot of people thinking thatyou're probably not.
Well, we developed it.
It your friend Lo
Stephanie (46:55):
isn't developed.
Right.
So I get it.
So you're
Dani (46:57):
saying because he was under 21 that he shouldn't and
that the Supreme Court said,yeah, that's only for people
under the age of 18.
We don't give a shit.
So sorry about your luck.
He was trying that angle though,so
Stephanie (47:15):
that probably was the last
Dani (47:16):
angle left.
Yeah.
Well, currently in 2025.
Hairston is 48 and currentlyresiding at the Idaho Maximum
Security Institution.
Ville 57 is also at the IdahoState Correctional Facility.
(47:38):
Best Friends for Life, that pleadeal.
Said him no favors, none so.
And I have a little tidbit ofnews.
Stephanie (47:57):
Ooh, yes.
There was an update.
'cause this in Idaho.
This might
Dani (48:00):
affect Harrison, who, by the way, was the youngest person
ever be put on 19.
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (48:08):
Very young.
Dani (48:09):
Seriously.
A kid.
Stephanie (48:10):
But seriously, you should know not to shoot people.
Yeah.
But we've mentioned severaltimes that the laws have been
kind of ever changing recentlysince Creech and since Creches
failed, execution attempt, forthe firing squad.
And so the firing squad wasalready approved, but there's an
(48:31):
update to that.
So I'll let Danny tell you'causeshe knows more.
Dani (48:35):
So last week the House of Representatives passed, it
Stephanie (48:41):
was
Dani (48:41):
the House and the
Stephanie (48:42):
Senate, right?
Dani (48:43):
Right.
That last week was the house.
Okay.
And they voted within 10minutes, it was approved.
There was no arguing.
but this week it was in front ofthe Idaho Senate and they voted
28 to seven.
To establish the Firing Squad asthe primary method of execution.
(49:06):
It currently is a secondarymethod.
The bill is on its way to theGovernor Brad Little's desk, and
is expected to be signed.
It will go into effect July 1st,2026.
Idaho is one of five states thatauthorizes the firing squad.
(49:26):
But Idaho will be the only stateto have the firing Squad as the
primary method, and thissurprised me.
The most recent use of theFiring Squad was in Utah in
2010.
Stephanie (49:44):
I didn't know that.
Yeah,
Dani (49:46):
I didn't either.
And also South Carolina isscheduled to execute an inmate
by Firing Squad on March 7th.
So this, that'll be after thisepisode's released.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So, I think we've discussed thisbefore.
I don't know if it, it made itanywhere.
Yeah.
God, it's not
Stephanie (50:05):
something that we are like, rooting on or agree with,
but it's, this is what'shappening in our state.
Dani (50:11):
Yeah.
But I wanted to tell you stuff Ilooked up.
I think we've had discussionsabout what does that look like?
What yeah does that executionmethod look like, right?
Because we all know about lethalinjection.
They give you some drugs, youfall asleep, blah, blah, blah.
They push all the things, right?
Mm-hmm.
I have no idea how the firingsquad works, so, got a little,
(50:34):
okay, let's hear it.
and this is from, the website,death penalty info.org.
And there's a whole disturbingsection about methods of
execution.
It was disturbing to read, butthis is for the firing squad for
execution.
By this method, the prisoner istypically bound to a chair with
(50:54):
leather straps across his waistand head in front of an oval
shaped canvas wall.
The chair is surrounded bysandbags to absorb the
prisoner's blood.
A black hood is pulled over theprisoner's head.
A doctor locates the prisoner'sheart with a stethoscope and
pins a circular white clothtarget over it.
(51:17):
standing in an enclosure.
20 feet away.
Five shooters are armed with 30caliber rifles loaded with
single rounds.
One of the shooters is givenblank rounds.
That surprised me.
Stephanie (51:32):
Just one.
Dani (51:33):
Just one.
Stephanie (51:35):
I thought it was the opposite that only me too, only
one had, but I mean, then ifsomeone has a bad aim, I'm not
right.
Dani (51:47):
Go like, yes, let's do, but that's, I thought it was so
they're giving doubt.
Like what?
I don't like those odds.
Like I'm probably gonna have,
Stephanie (51:58):
I mean, and so everyone can be like, I probably
have the blank.
Yep.
That's why they do it.
So everyone can
Dani (52:04):
have the
Stephanie (52:04):
Okay.
Dani (52:06):
Uh, but South Carolina's execution protocol calls for the
use of three shooters, each ofwhom is provided live rounds.
Okay.
Each of the shooter aims hisrifle through a slot in the
canvas and fires at theprisoner.
Stephanie (52:26):
So it feels like the way it is here is to give
someone some, just for their ownmindset that it might have not
been something liability.
Yep.
Of, I might've had the blank,but there they're like, no, you
hit'em or you didn't.
I don't know.
You shot at him.
Dani (52:47):
So anyways, that was the new, I just felt, because what
we discuss on a weekly basis isdeath penalty cases and also the
reasoning, I understand thereasoning behind these lawmakers
because they, and it was arguedthat there is so many issues
(53:09):
with lethal injection beingraised And we've discussed this
before, but to sentence somebodyto die and then not have a
method to do it.
Yeah.
We've we've discussed thatbefore.
How that's like.
They said that that was, um,
Stephanie (53:26):
that's cruel and unusual.
Dani (53:27):
Right, right.
And so
Stephanie (53:29):
anyway, I don't know how I feel about I, it's just
news.
So almost all of our cases arein Idaho.
Some are Washington, Idaho, orjust really close around here.
But especially since we've doneso many death penalty cases, it
was just a.
Poignant piece of, of news thatcame down recently.
I think it was today.
Yeah, it was just today.
(53:49):
By the time it reaches y'allwe're, we're always a couple
weeks by the time we post'em.
But anyway, crazy update, Ithink 2026.
July, 2026.
Mm-hmm.
Is what they said.
'cause they're building thefacility.
they're like taking a block ofthe prison that wasn't used or
something.
Yeah, yeah.
Dani (54:06):
They, they had given $750,000 to do this, I think
last year or the year before.
Mm-hmm.
When the whole co kohlberg thingcame down.
Yeah.
And because it, it has been thebackup method, but,
Stephanie (54:19):
and Creech was a big, another big thing where there
like,
Dani (54:24):
that was a fail.
That was a hard fall.
That, no.
So, and I do think, yeah.
I.
I, I don't know how I feel
Stephanie (54:35):
about it.
It's because it puts why they'reso concerned is because with the
fail of Cree is if, if you areputting someone through that,
that can affect every deathpenalty case mm-hmm.
Across the entire United States.
Mm-hmm.
So that's what they're worriedabout.
Yep.
Whether you agree with it ornot, they're like, if we can't
get this to work and are puttingsomeone through this, this could
(54:59):
jeopardize.
And be just a mess, essentially.
So that's why they're doing it.
But I hope that you guys en likeenjoyed the two, two episode
format.
some crazy stories that we hadtoday to, I know The Poor Youngs
Dani (55:16):
and the poor Furmans who had lived these good
Stephanie (55:20):
lives and we're trying to help people.
Yeah, overall and just overall,unfortunately some really bad
actors.
Came into contact with them.
So,
Dani (55:32):
you know, to live this is what a, a horrible way to go out
for, for these folks.
Well, what a
Stephanie (55:39):
shame for the people that did this.
Dani (55:41):
Yeah.
And these people lived theselong lives.
They were good people.
And then you got some assholesout here killing elderly people.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Stephanie (55:54):
Go fuck yourselves.
Yeah, go fuck yourselves, pleaserot.
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