May 25, 2025 • 55 mins
Join Dani and Stephanie of the Lethal Library as they unravel the chaotic tale of Barryngton Eugene Searcy in their latest episode. Set in small-town Ashton, Idaho, this true crime story features a grocery store murder, a weapon-finding adventure, and a killer's laughable cocaine defense. Dive into a series of legal blunders, failed alibis, and a judge who just can't seem to follow protocol. Get ready for an episode of sarcasm, dark humor, and unbelievable criminal antics.
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Stephanie (00:30):
Hey everyone.
Welcome back to the LethalLibrary.
I am Stephanie.
And I'm Danny.
And we're here to talk aboutanother true crime in Idaho.
What do you got for us, Danny?
Mm.
Sky's a
Dani (00:44):
dick.
Uh, don't do drugs, kids.
No drugs, kids.
Just say no.
In today's episode, we have ofcourse, drugs.
Kids are finding multipleweapons in the middle of
nowhere.
Stephanie (01:02):
The fuck.
Dani (01:03):
And a judge that keeps fucking things up.
Stephanie (01:06):
Hmm, all, not the second one.
Wasn't a common theme we've had,but judges fucking things up.
And lots of drugs com commonthemes.
Let's, let's try to not do thatfolks.
Dani (01:20):
So on Thursday, July 16th, 1987, a hitchhiker was picked up
near St.
Anthony, Idaho and wasquestioned about an incident
that had happened earlier thatmorning in Ashton, Idaho.
Very close together, thesetowns, Ashton, Idaho, has a
population of about 1200 peopleand is located about 30 miles
(01:43):
west of the Wyoming border.
It's in the middle of nowhereand very far east.
It's.
Almost it's, it's almostYellowstone.
Stephanie (01:52):
Yeah.
I've never been there.
Never even, I don't know if I'vebeen through there.
If I have been, didn't, I don'tremember it.
I think
Dani (01:59):
you, I almost feel like you have to go through there to
get to Yellowstone.
I haven't been to theYellowstone.
I.
No.
Stephanie (02:06):
Mm-hmm.
Dani (02:08):
Have you seen the Yellowstone tiktoks?
Stephanie (02:10):
Um, yeah.
Can we talk about that?
Is that an official account ordid they just scoop up the name?
It is
Dani (02:17):
official.
I, I do think
Stephanie (02:18):
it's an official, I think these parks, employees are
like, you know what?
Fuck it.
I'm gonna do what I want and I'mprobably gonna get laid off
anyway, so.
Dani (02:27):
It was, they're, they're doing a good job.
A little risque.
Risque.
It's pretty funny.
If you haven't seen it, go checkout.
I think it's YellowstoneNational Park.
I think that's what it is.
But yeah.
So Barry, and so who's the guythat they're doing a bunch of?
Um, They're stitching with thisguy that's like, kind of like a
thirst trap guy.
Have you seen those?
(02:47):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So, and then playing veryinappropriate music, you're
like, oh my God.
Yeah.
Like, uh, my neck, my
Stephanie (02:55):
back, or some other, there's like some cupcake on
there, which, um, wow.
Dani (03:01):
Boom.
Let's go.
I love it.
Stephanie (03:03):
Whatever the parks need to do to get support and
get people to go to the parks.
They did some nine inch nails.
Yeah.
Connect with the youngergenerations.
Yeah.
Dani (03:13):
I'm, I'm here for it.
Uh, I'm old and I like it.
So anyway, that's where we'reat.
We are in the mountains.
Way yonder.
Yeah.
A woman was found shot to deathat a local grocery store.
Mike Rice last saw his wifeTheresa, about 8:30 PM on
(03:35):
Wednesday night when he left thestore to take the couple's two
children to a four H event.
This is so small town, right?
It is four H.
Stephanie (03:43):
Who doesn't love four H?
Love four H.
Dani (03:46):
Therea Rice 32 was discovered by her husband Mike.
The next morning shot to deathin the rear office of Jack's
super food store.
Not at the Jack's.
It's like a whole, like, I thinkit was probably the only
shopping center in Ashton, butit was like there was other
businesses there.
I could just kind of think ofthe Ridleys in Middleton.
(04:07):
Yeah, that's, that's what I'menvisioning.
That's what brings to my mind.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, Theresa and her husbandMike, owned the store.
A man who lived across thestreet from the store said he
saw nothing unusual Wednesdaynight, but told the police that
a lighted sign that is typicallyon until midnight every night
(04:27):
was not on the night of the15th.
Mm.
Stephanie (04:31):
Very
Dani (04:31):
suspicious.
I just think it gives it also agood timeline, right?
Yeah.
Police found merchandise duringall, all over, near the cash
register in the store.
but authorities are unsure.
If there was a robbery takingplace when the murder happened,
Stephanie (04:50):
it could be staged.
Dani (04:51):
You never know.
Well.
They just seemed to dig a littleharder.
'cause after investigating, theysaid over uh, or approximately
$1,180 was missing along withsome silver coins.
Oh, I'm just going, I changedthat number like four times
through my research because itwas like every article, first it
(05:15):
was like this much, then thismuch then, oh, okay.
And then we finally get to thetrial and I know it was$1,180.
And it was, silver dollars anddimes that were stolen.
Dimes did not see that one
Stephanie (05:32):
coming.
Yay.
You gotta tell them what I havebronchitis.
So there's that.
There's that.
But what.
Movie was it?
It's the Menendez brothers,right?
Yeah.
Where he dimes.
He just needs dimes to makecalls.
And they're this rich family.
They keep sending him like ahundred bucks in cash.
He's like motherfucking
Dani (05:49):
dimes.
Dimes.
Oh, I wish I could remember it.
Like if you would've asked methat eight weeks ago, locked in,
I could have quoted it.
Okay.
But you know, I'm old, so therewe go.
Same in August.
Detectives still don't have anygood leads.
That's not good.
They believe the suspect must betransient.
(06:12):
Police interview over 200people.
Stephanie (06:16):
That's at least there was a lot of interviews.
'cause I feel like sometimeswhen they go with the transient
or a traveler through that,they're like kind of pinning it
on some unknown unicorn,mystical.
Like it's just someone thatfloated away in the wind, like
dust and it's like, no.
So thank you for doing theinterviews, but
Dani (06:38):
what's going on?
A 22 caliber gun was found bysome children floating the South
fork of the Madison River, nearWest Yellowstone, Montana, and
they turned it over toauthorities.
Good for you kids.
Thanks
Stephanie (06:51):
for not shooting your friends or.
Dani (06:55):
Keeping it being like, don't tell my mom.
I'm gonna just put the, I got anew joy.
Ugh.
The gun was sent to Boise forballistic testing to see if it
was the gun that shot Theresa.
It wasn't.
I'm just saying this is, if youfind a random gun, it, it, it.
(07:19):
It was used for something thatpeople don't just like, oh my
God, I'm sick of this gun.
I'm gonna throw it in a river.
Stephanie (07:25):
I'm just
Dani (07:26):
gonna throw it
Stephanie (07:26):
on the side of the river.
Don't ever, there's no suchthing as like an Easter egg free
gun.
Happy time.
Mm-hmm.
You find a gun hidden somewhereout in like the wilderness, the
river.
It's not a prize.
No.
You don't want anything to dowith that.
Take it to the.
Authorities immediate withgloves.
(07:49):
Yes.
Not, don't mess around with it.
Don't fire.
I won't see if it fires around.
No, no you don't.
No you don't.
You don't.
Dani (07:56):
You don't.
Because nobody leaves their,
Stephanie (08:00):
I'm not saying it's never happened.
Someone could lose their, theirpistol.
Sure.
My, I've, I've
Dani (08:04):
lost mine.
Whoopsie.
I got all the way back to thecabin and I was like, oh shit.
I rock hopped too hard, babe.
I found it though.
Stephanie (08:15):
She was jump, gyp, jumping over everything and, but
Dani (08:18):
I found it.
Mm-hmm.
But I mean, you get back to yourtruck and you realize your gun's
gone.
You're going back, you'relooking for it.
Yeah.
You're not just like, oh, well
Stephanie (08:26):
shucks getting it.
Dani (08:28):
No, because your name is typically tied to it.
Mm-hmm.
So anyway.
Yes.
mysterious guns found out in themiddle of nowhere are probably
not good.
Mm-hmm.
Things have happened.
So, the investigators arelooking beyond the Idaho state
border for clues.
Okay.
Because right where they're at,you know, they're very, they're
like, they're right by theborder.
(08:48):
They're, Hey, you got anythinggoing on like this?
so they're looking in Utah andMontana'cause there have been
crimes that are similar.
And they're trying to see ifthere's any common threads.
Stephanie (08:59):
Yeah.
Who is this that's doing thesethings?
Is
Dani (09:02):
it the same person?
Are we talking about?
Yeah.
There just, but we've had peoplethat go around and just shoot
people and then move on to thenext one.
Shoot people.
Yeah.
Cre.
Okay.
What was that one we did?
where they shot the old couple,but then they had shot the girl
in the head that did the.
Pump the gas.
Yes.
Yeah.
(09:22):
So I mean, fair.
They, they should be lookingsome just
Stephanie (09:24):
trigger happy and doing their nationwide tour of
Dani (09:29):
Nationwide.
Baby, A new composite drawing ofa man that was seen in the store
is released by investigators.
They had released a couple.
Right.
But this one was special.
Ooh.
The sketch was taken by the lastperson in the store that night
and was taken while underhypnosis.
Wow.
Stephanie (09:49):
This is a little woowoo for me, but I'm not
saying it's not a thing, but.
They clearly were exploring allavenues, so I have to give them
that.
They have interviewed 200people.
They're going across statelines.
Dani (10:02):
200 out of 1200.
Yeah.
The math is like, whoa.
That's a big percentage.
Yeah.
the suspect is described as,okay, it's long, but I'm just
gonna read it all.
The suspect is described as amale, approximately 31 to 32
years old, five feet, nineinches tall.
(10:22):
Slightly balding, dark roundeyes, long eyelashes, narrow
nose, dark, muddy complexion,and thick blue black hair cut.
I didn't understand this.
I'm just, I'd look up what blueblack meant.
It's like, it's like
Stephanie (10:41):
the blackest black.
Dani (10:42):
Yeah.
Stephanie (10:42):
Yeah.
I used to dye my hair blue.
Black.
Dani (10:44):
Okay.
Well I didn't know snide will bethe night and I'll fall for you.
Exactly.
Yep.
and he was wearing, a dark blueshirt.
Okay.
But that's not what led
Stephanie (11:01):
investigators to find a person of interest.
A person of interest.
I'm excited because this seemedlike a long shot.
Dani (11:10):
On September 17th, police arrest Barrington Eugene Searcy
in Rexburg, Idaho.
Another Eugene,
Stephanie (11:21):
God they like.
Is Eugene the Marie of middlenames for men, or it was, yeah,
Dani (11:26):
I think
Stephanie (11:26):
so.
Wow.
Dani (11:28):
And, uh, his name is spelled, it's Barrington, but
it's spelled B-A-R-R-Y-N-G.
TNI don't like that.
I don't like that.
Mama's hopping on the weirdspellings.
Like, yeah,
Stephanie (11:44):
stop that.
Dani (11:45):
Yeah.
He is charged with first degreemurder and robbery.
The 21-year-old is held withoutbond in Bonneville County, only
21.
Damn.
Yeah.
He was arrested after a youth.
I just think of that, um.
What is that show with theVinny, my cousin Vinny
Stephanie (12:08):
youth?
I don't know that reference.
Dani (12:11):
Oh my God.
Okay.
I am so fucking old.
Do you know I've heard of theshow.
I don't watch it.
My cousin Vinny with MarissaTome, it's a, it's a movie.
It, I'm gonna request that youwatch it this weekend, and she's
like, my biological clock
Stephanie (12:24):
is ticking.
Is, is it about a court case?
Yeah.
And that she knows about cars?
Yes, I have seen it.
Okay.
Sorry.
It takes a little bit for me toconnect the Knotts sometimes,
but I have seen it.
Okay.
Dani (12:36):
But they're from like new youth and he says Ute and the
judge is like, you mean youths?
Yeah, youth youths.
Okay.
Sorry, sidetrack.
Walking in the, at.
He was arrested after a youthfound a gun wrapped in duct tape
and hidden under a rocksoutheast of Rexburg.
Stephanie (13:00):
There's just freaking guns all over the place.
It's literally an Easter egghunt.
What's happening here?
Dani (13:04):
It, it is.
I and the detectives were ableto trace the gun comeback to
Circe.
Okay.
First of all, wrapping duct tapearound anything is just
preserving evidence.
Yeah.
Yeah, you gonna go fetch thatgun later?
You dumb ass.
You don't want it to rust out.
And he's like, okay, so I'mgonna wrap it in duct tape and
(13:26):
protect it so I can come backand get it later.
Are you gonna go hunting withthat?
Are you gonna just carry arounda murder weapon?
Stephanie (13:33):
No.
Take the bottom of Lake Tahoe.
Like hello?
Dani (13:39):
Yeah, I would like the find some power tools.
Cut it up.
Chunky, chunky pieces here.
Mm-hmm.
Pieces there.
To solve.
I mean, I'm not giving anyadvice, I'm sorry.
Wrap it up on duct tape andleave it under a rock where a
youth can find it.
Put your
Stephanie (13:55):
name and business card as well in it.
So, yeah.
'cause you wanna go back and getit so you, if someone else finds
it, they should contact you.
Dani (14:02):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Stephanie (14:03):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Dani (14:04):
If found, find slightly Baldy not used
Stephanie (14:08):
for murders.
Dani (14:09):
Round, round eyes with black, blue hair and return.
Thank you.
and a preliminary hearing.
Rika Davis, a clerk at Jack'sHighway Shopping.
Center testified, she said shesaw Cy in the store that night
around 8:10 PM and the nightthat Theresa was murdered.
(14:33):
I'm thinking Rika is the galthat was hypnotized and gave I
think so, yeah.
Because she must have
Stephanie (14:39):
just been the last person in the store or
something.
Dani (14:42):
Mm.
So little town, little county.
Right.
And it sounds like the hypnotismkind of
Stephanie (14:49):
worked.
Mm.
Yeah.
Because I mean, if you ask me,Steph, even two days ago, even
yesterday when you went to thegas station and got a soda,
there was one other person inthere and only the clerk.
What did that person look like?
I would be like, there wasanother person there.
(15:13):
I couldn't tell you if it was aman or a woman.
Let's see if they were actingsuper suspicious, maybe.
I would remember,
Dani (15:21):
Uh, so this is a very tiny county.
Yeah.
So Fremont County has to declarean emergency to pay for
prosecuting him.
The county had to get a line ofcredit of$50,000 from a bank.
Oh my God.
Stephanie (15:36):
And this is in the eighties, right?
Yeah, late, late eighties.
Dani (15:39):
they had to get a lot of credit just to prosecute those
clean
Stephanie (15:41):
alone because we apparently,
Dani (15:43):
people want a murder in our county.
Stephanie (15:46):
Do not come to my town, do not murder in my town.
Dani (15:51):
In 1988, a request for a change in venue was, requested
by the defense team.
They said the media coverage andthe community outrage over a
previous slaying of a team.
A teenager five years ago willprevent CCE getting a fair trial
in the county.
Okay.
(16:12):
The defense also said the countyis so small that prospective
jurors or probably know Theresaor others directly involved in
the case,
Stephanie (16:20):
especially if it's the town store.
Yeah, of course they're gonnaknow.
Fair.
Everyone goes there.
Dani (16:25):
Fair.
Yeah, absolutely.
And let's just save ourselvessome appeals later.
Yes, please.
It just reminds me of that, youknow, our motorcycle gang case
where it's like they tried to doit in Spokane.
I'm like, everybody's like, ohyeah, we've heard of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We know that.
(16:46):
And so they had to end up movingit over to, king County, so that
would've totally happened here.
Yeah.
Just save everybody someheartache.
District Judge h Reynold Georgeruled the trial, be moved to
Rigby Idaho.
Rigby is in Jefferson County,about 40 minutes from Ashton,
which is a little bigger.
Mm-hmm.
(17:06):
And the trial starts on March7th, 1988.
A state firearms expert.
Wally Baker.
I like
Stephanie (17:15):
that name.
Wally Baker.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dani (17:17):
He sounds smart, but kind of maybe fun.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, testified that he was.
He testified he was absolutelypositive that one of the two
bullets that killed Theresa camefrom the same 22 caliber Ruger
rifle that Ccy had purchased onJuly 7th, 1987 at a Kmart
(17:38):
Rexburg.
Stephanie (17:39):
And that was only like a week before this
happened.
Dani (17:43):
Yeah.
What the
Stephanie (17:45):
fuck?
The fuck?
Dani (17:50):
And he is a kid.
What an idiot.
Yeah, stop.
Go to the
Stephanie (17:54):
roller drum or something.
Find a hobby.
Dani (17:57):
Just
Stephanie (17:58):
be
Dani (17:58):
buying guns about it.
Well, CCY takes a stand in hisdefense.
Hmm.
He stated, so this is all hisstuff.
This is his story.
It does have some juice though,so I'm kind of like, I kind of
believe it, but maybe noteverything.
So let's hear it.
He stated that he fatally shotTheresa as she begged for her
(18:22):
life.
Alright.
He did it because he wasaddicted to cocaine and asked to
be spared a first degree murderconviction.
Can I, I just didn't thinkcocaine was that.
I thought like, I think meth,heroin.
Stephanie (18:38):
Cocaine.
Yeah.
Most people don't get, I mean,there's people in very high
functioning jobs that usecocaine daily to this day.
Um, that it's not healthy.
It's, it's not a great copingmechanism or a way to do your
job.
But there are people that, morepeople than you would ever think
do cocaine and people that younever thought would do cocaine
(19:01):
'cause they're professional andthere's people out there doing
cocaine, so.
Maybe crack cocaine.
'cause I've heard that has alittle bit more.
I was just really surprised.
Loose.
Like, and that
Dani (19:12):
didn't come up.
I mean this says 87.
I mean yeah,
Stephanie (19:15):
everyone was doing cocaine.
Yeah.
They're not, was having a littlebump.
They're not out there murderingthe the town grocery store
owner.
For
Dani (19:27):
what?
To get a fix.
You got a murder about itreally.
So he testified, quote, I wasthe one who pulled the trigger.
Stephanie (19:38):
Okay.
Dani (19:39):
He said that Theresa would not have been killed if he
wasn't addicted to cocaine.
prosecutor, Peter Lin saidquote, it looks, it sure looks
like you planned, premeditatedand carried out the murder of
Theresa Rice duringcross-examination.
'cause he is asking forvoluntary manslaughter and he is
(20:00):
like.
Uh, can we just talk about whatyou did?
You
Stephanie (20:03):
didn't slip and fall into a murder.
You went there with a purpose,which you
Dani (20:07):
went to Kmart last week.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then, yeah.
You didn't slip and fall intothat.
You were absolutely correct.
Okay.
Uh, CCY responded, quote, Iagree.
It looks like that.
Hmm.
Okay.
Taking maybe some ownershiphere, but how is it not like
that is the important part,right?
(20:29):
Yep.
Ccy testified that he hit on topof a cooler in the back of the
store.
Stephanie (20:35):
Oh my God.
Dani (20:36):
And he said, he quote, knew he was probably going to
have to kill her, but he alsotestified he was relieved when
he thought she had left thestore and he went into the
office to find the money.
But Theresa hadn't left.
Stephanie (20:54):
He was too excited.
He was doing bumps of cocaine ontop of the cooler.
Got him all worked
Dani (20:58):
up.
Theresa found him in the officeand confronted him.
He said she grabbed the gun,which fired, and the bullet
struck Theresa in her abdomen,and then I just seemed so locked
in.
I didn't wanna hurt her.
Okay.
(21:20):
Ccy ordered her to open the safeand told Theresa, oh my God.
He told Theresa he would call anambulance if she cooperated Ccy,
then took the money from thesafe.
He stated, quote, I stood up andI thought, what do I do now?
The whole plan seemedoverpowering at that point.
(21:43):
Yeah, because you don't murder,you don't hold up.
You have a
Stephanie (21:47):
choice at this point.
Dani (21:50):
Mm.
Theresa was leaning on the deskand he said quote, I told her to
lie down on the ground.
Instead of that, she justslumped down in the chair
because she shot in the fuckingstomach.
Yeah.
She's not feeling great, bud.
Before I even thought about whatI was doing, I put the gun to
(22:10):
her head and shot her.
Ccy said,
Stephanie (22:13):
sure.
You wanna say you didn't thinkabout it or not.
Then what does that say about ifyou're willing to do that and
not think about it, then hey,
Dani (22:22):
uh, his whole angle is drugs, drugs, drugs.
And you'll see a little bit morehere later.
Stephanie (22:27):
Yeah.
Again, though, with justcocaine, whatever
Dani (22:30):
Theresa prayed for her life as he shot her,
Stephanie (22:35):
and if you remember that, you, you experienced that.
Uh, so I don't, I don't careabout your cocaine.
Excuse plenty of people.
Were doing cocaine and not doingthis.
Dani (22:47):
Not hiding on coolers and shooting people.
Yeah.
He stayed in the store for about25 minutes after the murder and
paced back and forth from herbody to the door.
Oh, panic set in, bud.
You realize she just did this?
Yeah.
Yeah, you did it.
You did it.
Didn't he do?
CCY also testified that he hadbeen suicidal in the past and
(23:10):
had committed three armedrobberies in Utah.
Stephanie (23:13):
Oh.
So there was some similar thingshappening?
Mm-hmm.
Dani (23:18):
He also said the reason he tried to kill himself was so he
wouldn't kill his family fortheir life insurance policies.
Stephanie (23:28):
Pardon the fuck no.
The no.
No one does that.
No one does that.
Dani (23:32):
He had that thought process.
No one's
Stephanie (23:34):
like, gosh, I really wanna kill everyone I know and
get their life insurance becauseof that.
I'm gonna kill myself if you'rehaving no.
I gotta just call bullshit, likepeople that are committing
suicide are not doing it toprevent them from getting life
insurance from murdering theirfamilies.
(23:57):
No.
You have to have a lot of egoand self-esteem to think that
you can kill your family forlife insurance.
Suicidal people aren't reallyconcerning themselves with that.
Dani (24:09):
Mm.
No.
Um, and I wanna talk a littlebit about Theresa.
I, I didn't write this down, buther friend said she was feisty.
She was an ornery gal, so, so Ibet she was like, who the fuck
are you?
She grabbed the gun.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
She would not back down.
That's what her friend said.
So, uh, and you shouldn't.
(24:31):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, you should be able tostand, especially owning the
store.
But, gosh, you know, him beingso young, she probably, I bet
she scared him.
Yeah, I would've been like, areyou fucking kidding me?
Stephanie (24:43):
Yeah, really.
And just seeing that pushbackwhen maybe he had had his other
armed robberies where they wentover Yep.
Just perfectly to plan ofsomeone being like, yes, go
ahead.
Dani (24:55):
No.
She's like, no, we're not.
Well, he probably startled
Stephanie (24:57):
her too.
Dani (24:59):
Shit.
Well, maybe no.
'cause he was from expert.
I was saying maybe she knew him,but No,
Stephanie (25:05):
probably not.
But I bet it scared her'cause.
She wasn't expecting someone tobe in that office.
Dani (25:10):
Oh, absolutely.
But she was a feisty gal and waslike grabbing the gun.
Yeah.
Takes a lot of, well, you gothave some balls.
Yes.
I've been like, uh, I would'veyelled at him like I would've
scolded him like a child.
But also, you'll respect, yougot the gun.
Take the money.
Bye.
I didn't even see you.
Mm-hmm.
I'm gonna leave the store now,so I'm just gonna leave.
(25:32):
I would've, nothing is worth it.
You know, you see these.
You, you hear stories of people.
Yeah.
A young crack head out here,Robin.
Yeah.
It's like, just don't let'emtake the money.
They're gonna fuck up theirlives anyway.
Mm-hmm.
Just, yeah.
the jury deliberated for alittle over three hours before
returning the verdict of guiltyof first degree murder robbery.
(25:57):
And using a firearm in thecommission of a felony.
All of those, all of
Stephanie (26:02):
those every time.
Dani (26:04):
And the death penalties on the table for ccy at 21.
What a shame.
Well, you don't go kill wivesand mothers while they're
fucking running their business.
You deba, authorities move CCEto the state's maximum security
prison following the conviction.
This pissed everybody off.
Well, his defense team, but hisdefense attorney, Gordon
(26:26):
Thatcher, is asking for Ccy tobe removed from the prison
because he's not been sentencedyet and still a prisoner of the
county.
He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa,
Stephanie (26:35):
whoa.
Dani (26:35):
Well, can we go
Stephanie (26:36):
back to the county one, please?
Dani (26:39):
Well, and I understand his reasonings right?
He has a sentencing hearing, heneeds to work with him.
He's like, uh, you're gonna makeme drive all the way to fucking
Boise to talk to my dude.
Mm-hmm.
He's like, this is, this is nothow it works at all.
But, you know, Idaho, they just,they like to be very petty and
they just do what they do.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, he is convicted.
Let's go just, and, and hisattorney, Thatcher said, CCY was
(27:02):
placed in unit eight at theprison.
That house is then the uniteight.
houses, death row and maximumsecurity inmates.
Stephanie (27:09):
It's like meet your new friends.
Yeah.
Scared straight.
Too late.
I'm just trying to give him someenrichment time with his peers,
his future peers.
Dani (27:21):
A little play date seriously is moved to the unit
two.
Unit one at the prison, which isa psychiatric unit of the
prison.
Well, so, because we all knowthat part of the sentencing,
they go under psych.
Psychiatric evaluation and allthat stuff.
So that kind of made sense.
But still, he's not there yet.
He, he should still be in countyjail.
Stephanie (27:40):
Yeah, you're right.
Dani (27:42):
And early April, Ceci has finally moved back to Bonneville
jail in eastern Idaho while hewaits sentencing.
There we go.
Get I just, this is the thingthat, it's just like a toddler,
right?
Like they're gonna just do, thestate of Idaho is just doing
shit.
See if anybody catches them.
Stephanie (27:59):
Yeah.
Are you gonna file a motionabout it or what?
Uh,
Dani (28:03):
fuck.
He's, he's a convicted killer.
Mm-hmm.
Rcs defense team is asking JudgeGeorge to extend their deadline
requesting a new trial.
They said they need additionaltime to review files and do
legal research to decide whetherto ask for a true or not, a new
trial or not fair.
(28:24):
Okay.
You have like 45 days or someridiculous shit.
Like we've seen it in thesestories where they're asking for
a new trial before they've evenbeen sentenced.
Yeah.
Stephanie (28:35):
It's like,
Dani (28:36):
wait, I am like, I'm so confused.
What is happening?
You
Stephanie (28:39):
need a proper procedure.
Dani (28:42):
Michael Cam, a court appointed attorney for cci,
asked Judge George to dismissone of his two first degree
murder convictions, which didn'tmake any sense to me in the
paper.
So I wrote that down and Iwanna.
He had two first degree murderconvictions, correct?
That's what, that's what thepaper said.
(29:03):
But what I think they meant tosay, I don't know.
That doesn't make any sense.
I don't know.
It said he had two first degreemurder convictions, one for the
murder and one for the robbery.
Stephanie (29:19):
I don't under, he must have said something wrong
Dani (29:22):
because I was thinking, well, maybe they mean two life
sentences.
Mm-hmm.
But he hadn't been sentencedyet.
Okay.
Anyway, help me with the chaos.
But his attorney was saying toask one, to dismiss one of the
convictions because he's facingdouble punishment.
Stephanie (29:44):
Maybe like maybe one of the other charges like.
Dani (29:48):
Well, I think it might have been in commission
Stephanie (29:49):
of a crime or something.
Dani (29:50):
I, I, well, you'll, you're going to hear what he gets
convicted of.
I mean, uh, sentenced to, buthe, there's, he was convicted of
murder and robbery and doingthe, a firearm using a firearm
and a commission of a felony.
So we're gonna hear more aboutthis, so we'll just, just keep
(30:11):
on confusing and, and movingforward, because I did not
understand, I even have ahighlighted.
I'm like, I don't get it.
Uh, Anna's argument Cam statedthat a defendant cannot be
convicted of two counts ofmurdering the same person.
Stephanie (30:26):
I didn't see that in the earlier ones.
So maybe if they did have, well,there
Dani (30:30):
was another case that was like, like where they did,
Stephanie (30:32):
like you got first degree and second degree for one
person or something.
Dani (30:36):
Yeah.
Stephanie (30:37):
Yeah.
So maybe it was something weirdlike that
Dani (30:40):
while watting his sentencing hearing.
You are gonna like this.
Okay.
Seriously wrote a letter to thestudents of Madison County about
substance abuse
Stephanie (30:53):
For the DARE program.
Dani (30:56):
Just say no, babe.
Oh, okay.
I'm gonna do a little quotinghere.
Thank you.
It is possible that I will begiven the death penalty.
It is possible if I have neverused alcohol and drugs.
This murder may never have beencommitted.
I am asking you to make thatdecision today, not because
(31:18):
perhaps your religion tells younot to and not because your
parents tell you not to, butbecause if you don't make that
decision and someday start usingdrugs, it could very easily be
you someday, who is sitting injail waiting to go to prison?
And there is only one way tomake sure that you never become
an alcoholic or an addict, andthat is to never take the first
(31:41):
drink or drug.
In the letter he said to thestudents who already
experimented with drugs thatwere fooling, that they were
fooling themselves, that theyhad thought they could never
become an addict.
As you tell yourself that, Ihope you realize that I have
told myself.
That I would never use drugs,but I did.
(32:02):
And when I started smoking pot,I would tell myself that I would
never use hard drugs.
I tell myself that I'd never usea needle to shoot up, but I was
only 16 years old when I firstused cocaine.
And the first time I usedcocaine, I used a needle.
That is a escalation that youdon't typically see.
That's that's pretty aggressive.
(32:23):
I too have said I can quit usingdrugs anytime I want to.
I just don't want to.
I too have thought drugs werefun and that they were cool.
Stephanie (32:35):
I mean, I appreciate his efforts in this, but I feel
like he's just doing it to belike, if it wasn't for the
drugs, I wouldn't have shot thatgal, which I don't know,
Dani (32:46):
probably
Stephanie (32:47):
maybe.
But still, there's just so manypeople that use drugs and Rob
and they don't usually murder.
Yeah.
And
Dani (32:58):
this does well for him.
Stephanie (32:59):
Oh, I'm sure.
'cause he's being an advocatefor the DARE program.
Mm-hmm.
That was very big around thistime.
Dani (33:05):
This does well for him.
Mm-hmm.
Because you know, he is up forthe death penalty.
So he's being an advocate for nodrugs.
On May 31st, judge Georgesentenced ccy to a determinate
life sentence with no chance ofparole for the first degree
murder conviction.
Ccy was also given anindeterminate life sentence with
(33:27):
a 10 year minimum for hisrobbery conviction, along with a
10 year enhancement penalty forusing a firearm in the
commission of a felony.
I'm still confused about Yeah.
Stephanie (33:40):
Wherever the hell that other first degree murder
came from.
Yeah.
I think
Dani (33:43):
they were, I,
Stephanie (33:44):
I don't know.
Dani (33:45):
I feel like it, someone
Stephanie (33:46):
filed something wrong.
I don't know.
Dani (33:49):
Judge George said, while Searcy's dependence on cocaine
has been orchestrated as thecatalyst and even the actual
cause for the killing of TheresaRice, the court has never come
close to having been drawn intothe ploy that cocaine is the
culprit, that cocaine was themurderer.
No.
Stephanie (34:10):
Excellent Judge George.
There's plenty of people thatmurder without being on any
drugs.
Dani (34:15):
Mm-hmm.
Um, yeah.
But this is the last good thingwe're gonna hear from him.
He's a shit serious.
He is?
No,
Stephanie (34:30):
the
Dani (34:30):
judge.
Yeah.
Judge George.
Oh.
Which I have a hard time.
That doesn't roll with thetongue.
No.
Okay.
Judge George.
And Cece gave, gave a pressconference after he was spare
the death penalty.
Wonderful.
He said, quote, I want them toknow how sorry I am.
I just cannot express all that Ihave.
(34:51):
I have just uprooted theirfamilies.
He said through tears.
I do think he feels bad, butYou're an idiot.
Yeah.
Uh, pills, pills, pills, pills,pills
Stephanie (35:02):
all over the place.
Dani (35:04):
In a 35 page motion filed in June, CCY is claiming
misconduct by the prosecution inthe case.
This goes back to the two lifesentences.
attorney cam argued in a motionthat the two life sentences
handed down by Judge George wereillegally imposed and that
George May have been undulyinfluenced by overzealousness
(35:29):
and animosity.
Yes.
Show'em by the prosecutors.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
I'm too many syllables.
Stephanie (35:39):
I mean, I have to agree with that a hundred
percent because anything with az in it.
Instant
Dani (35:46):
brain, uh, cam's asking that the robbery conviction be
vacated or merged with themurder conviction.
Look, I, I really don'tunderstand how you can get life
in prison for robbery.
Stephanie (36:03):
I
Dani (36:03):
suppose,
Stephanie (36:04):
yeah.
But also if you're like, what ifthey didn't get the murder at
all?
And so they're asking for it tobe merged with the murder, like,
which is so weird for me tothink about, but it's like
Dani (36:18):
I just have a hard time with them.
Like when there's one actcommitted.
And they just stack.
Stephanie (36:25):
Yeah,
Dani (36:26):
on.
I don't understand that.
It's one act.
Stephanie (36:28):
But I feel like it is multiple acts, isn't it?
Like
Dani (36:32):
you are robbery and murdering, but to get two life
sentences for something he didin the same half hour.
I just don't think, look,robbery bad.
You shouldn't rob people, but,but robbery
Stephanie (36:45):
isn't killing someone.
Dani (36:46):
Right.
A whole life sentence.
So it's just not comparable.
Yeah, it's just not
Stephanie (36:52):
comparable.
Especially when we know of thewhite collar crimes, when they,
it's essentially robbery.
These people with Ponzi schemeswho have stolen millions of
dollars, oftentimes from theirfriends and closest confidant.
Mm-hmm.
Because they believe in them andwanna invest in their
friendship.
Mm-hmm.
That's a little bit more, morefor me.
Dani (37:10):
The same day the motion was filed, judge George entered
an order dismissing Cam anddefense attorney Thatcher saying
their services were no longernecessary in the case.
Oh,
Stephanie (37:22):
you know what?
Um, we don't need you anymore.
Anymore.
Are you?
Are you filing something?
Shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
Next
Dani (37:31):
public defender, William Forsberg will handle all stages
of the appeal.
I just feel like that was kindof,
Stephanie (37:38):
it was kind of cunty.
Dani (37:39):
It was, um,
Stephanie (37:41):
um, I'm gonna put officially that we don't even
know you.
Dani (37:45):
Yeah.
So, thanks for filing yourmotion.
Go fuck yourself.
Why are you here?
Who are you?
Were you even invited?
You can't sit with us.
Stephanie (37:57):
Regina, I'm sorry.
I couldn't
Dani (38:00):
help it.
So
Stephanie (38:00):
you think you're really pretty.
Dani (38:07):
Um, in October, judge George cut 10 years from
Searcy's sentence.
He ruled this is, he ruled thathe had improperly imposed two 10
year prison terms on CCE forusing a firearm in the
commission of a crime.
Whoopsie.
Only one in hand sentence wasproper.
(38:28):
Okay, judge, glad you took thatoff.
This is what concerns me withthe two life sentences.
Yes.
Stephanie (38:35):
And it's almost like it feels like when judges do
this, that they're like beinggenerous.
Yeah.
Like I'll give you a 10%discount, but it's like, no, you
actually can't do that twice.
Right.
For one thing.
Dani (38:52):
He is like, oh my bad.
All right.
I'm gonna do you a favor.
I'm gonna fix it up for you.
Alright.
I'm, and by the way, I'm notexcusing this guy's behavior.
No at all.
But, you know, law enforcementenforce in the judicial system
can be sneaky, sneaky sometimes
Stephanie (39:10):
can be a bag of dicks for sure.
And the more that judges makethese mistakes.
The more you erode public trustin the system and make people be
like, well, I've heard aboutthis happening, and look, it did
fucking happen.
Yeah.
Dani (39:24):
Why am I getting two life sentences for the same crime?
Yeah, it was the same.
That's how I, I'm sorry.
It was the same crime.
Stephanie (39:31):
Yeah.
We need to be by the, I mean,it's not getting
Dani (39:33):
out, so I mean, really Do you have to just do that to be
extra dickish like
Stephanie (39:39):
Yeah.
Dani (39:40):
He's, he has a life sentence and if he, and if it
was done well.
And everything was good and itwas buttoned up and a clean
trial, you're not gonna win on apill.
You shouldn't have to worryabout that stuff.
So, uh, just having backup forbackup, for backup,
Stephanie (39:55):
CYA, cover your ass, do the right thing, don't be a
shit, and don't be trying to jamon charges.
And it's extra, extra.
Dani (40:03):
And we've seen that in a lot of these cases we've done.
In 1990, the Idaho Supreme Courtupheld the conviction and for
the fixed life sentence for cce,CCE was challenging the Idaho
legislatures 1982.
This blew my mind, by the way,did not know this.
(40:25):
How did I not know this?
We're like almost 30 episodesdeep.
And how did I just, okay.
he was challenging the Idaholegislature's 1982.
Abolition of the insanity,defense and criminal cases.
Stephanie (40:41):
Mm.
Because, yeah, Idaho don't liketo fuck around with that.
Dani (40:44):
We don't do it.
We're like, yeah, sure we don't.
It's not even a fuck around.
It's not even an option.
Like there is no insanitydefense.
It basically
Stephanie (40:56):
can get you.
To go somewhere and becomementally competent.
Like that's kinda what happenedwith Lori Vallow.
That's exactly, they're like,sure, you might not be.
Now we're gonna find a way tomake you,
Dani (41:08):
we're gonna give you some drugs and give you some therapy.
We're
Stephanie (41:10):
gonna get you so many therapists, and then you're
gonna go to trial and one of thetherapists is gonna say that
you're okay.
Yeah.
And then you're going to becompetent.
Yeah.
Dani (41:19):
Then
Stephanie (41:19):
that's kind of,
Dani (41:20):
then we're good.
Yeah.
Um, but I had no idea.
I didn't realize that.
In Idaho, you could not pleadinsanity.
Stephanie (41:28):
No.
And you, and it's
Dani (41:29):
a rare thing that that even works anyway.
It's like grasping for strawsmm-hmm.
In any other state.
Uh, but we just do not offerthat.
Stephanie (41:39):
It just isn't an option.
No.
And also there's something,that's a thing that I've heard
on, I listen to a lot ofDateline podcasts, but there's a
lot of, there's one thing thatis in several different states
that is basically a crime ofpassion.
Mm-hmm.
Where you can be convicted andthen you can kind of pull this
(41:59):
out as a loophole and say.
Well, someone was in the throesof passion or something spurred
you to it in the moment, and youcan get two to 20 years for a
murder if you, if the jury, thejury has to approve it and say,
yes, they did murder thisperson.
(42:19):
But the attorneys have convincedus that this is something that
was like a.
The snap of the fingers type ofemotion.
You know what I'm totally
Dani (42:30):
thinking right now?
Shan Redemption.
He caught his wife.
Mm-hmm.
He walked in and caught his wifesleeping with a golf pro that he
didn't really do, it didn't do,
Stephanie (42:40):
but he could.
He could have used that, right?
No, there's one and.
I'll have to look up the actualepisode, but where basically a
gal and her rich husband, theywere both rich.
They had a personal business,which they were also in trouble
with the IRS, so they were kindof scared as well, always.
But he had a many years mistressthat supposedly they both knew
about each other.
(43:00):
The wife said she didn't, butthey got in a road rage
incident.
Oh, I remember that.
Yes.
And she got off on, she gotconvicted of killing him, but
they did agree that it was a.
In the passion of the momentthing.
And so she got two years for itand she was able to get out and
then got persecuted orprosecuted from the tax evasion
(43:25):
or scammy stuff.
I don't know.
But there's been a, I think twocases that I've heard of in that
area of the US where it's likeyou kind, it's basically a
loophole.
Like you wait for the jury tofind you guilty and then you
say, but what if?
What if I got really mad rightin like a short period of time?
And you can two years.
(43:45):
Wow.
Dani (43:47):
I was, I mean, I just, because obviously I listened to
the Datelines, I listened to allof it, and you hear this come
up, and I never knew that it wasnot a defense in Idaho.
So good old tater land.
Mm.
Defense attorney Forsberg arguedCcy has a constitutional right
(44:08):
to use the lack of mentalresponsibility as a defense.
Idaho Solicitor General LynnThomas says, CSI's action in the
murder showed none of thedisorganization or
disorientation that wouldindicate sanity, insanity.
Fair.
That it is fair.
Like
Stephanie (44:26):
we're looking for someone who has like a diagnosed
bipolar schizophrenic like.
That's what you're looking forwith the insanity, not just
drugs and
Dani (44:36):
alcohol.
Look, you get, you hit somebodywhen you've been drinking.
There's no, oh, and it wasinsanity'cause I was drunk.
Nope.
Sorry.
Did you get drunk on purpose?
Uhhuh?
Yeah.
You, yeah,
Stephanie (44:50):
you well.
And everyone was doing cocaine.
Dani (44:53):
Everybody,
Stephanie (44:54):
and they're not out here hiding on top of coolers,
robbing the local grocery store.
This
Dani (44:59):
poor, she was so young.
Mm-hmm.
And they were just doing theirjam, raising their kids.
They're not getting rich, rich,rich.
They're not like, oh, they'reworking their fucking asses off.
They have
Stephanie (45:12):
a small supplier, like a small grocery store, and
they have their
Dani (45:15):
latitude like, you know, but they're still living and
breathing That fucking jog 24hours a day.
They are living and breathingthat business.
They're
Stephanie (45:22):
supplying their community.
Yep.
With growth.
So they're part of thecommunity.
They don't get deals like aWalmart or Albertson's?
No.
They're just, they're tryingtheir best, so, yeah.
Fuck you.
And, and
Dani (45:34):
breathing that business, like Yeah.
They're there all the, theydon't close what?
She was there between eight andnine closing up, so they close
at nine and you know they openat seven.
Mm-hmm.
Like, okay, I'm gonna go homeand go to sleep.
And then husband gets up andthen she gets up and takes care.
Like that's all they do.
Yeah.
Work, work, work.
I've done it.
Stephanie (45:54):
Just say, and the whole community knows that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dani (45:58):
quote, there isn't any evidence of anything other than
a planned cold-blooded violationact.
Yeah,
Stephanie (46:09):
he didn't just insanely be like,
Dani (46:11):
what am I doing?
I'm robbing a chain.
He thought he was killing ninjasor no zombies or, yeah.
No, there was none of that.
No.
Idaho still allow, but Idahostill allows a defendant's
mental condition to beconsidered during sentencing,
just not as a defense.
Yes.
the insanity defense is notavailable in four states.
(46:36):
Minority
Stephanie (46:36):
Always.
Yeah.
Who Did you know what the otherstates are?
Yeah.
Idaho.
Dani (46:42):
Kansas.
But the other two are in pocketReady, Montana and Utah.
Stephanie (46:49):
Oh.
So we're like buddied up withtwo of'em, and then we're like,
oh, Kansas is with us.
Kansas.
We're not in Kansas anymore.
Dorothy.
Dani (46:56):
Yeah.
So Kansas is kind of the offcast, but we touch all these
borders here.
in December of 1990, CCY issentenced for a third time.
Oh, judge George re-sentencedCcy to life in prison without
the possibility of parole, anindeterminate life term with a
(47:18):
minimum of 10 years for robberyand another 10 years for the use
of a firearm.
Why?
Because Cy was not in thecourtroom when he resentenced
him the second time.
Removing the additional firearmsentence.
Stephanie (47:33):
Uh, can we please find out a way to check the
boxes?
Idaho.
Some of these are such, it'sjust
Dani (47:41):
a fucking checklist.
They're simple.
It's just a checklist.
Is
Stephanie (47:43):
is the, is the defendant here?
No, no.
Sentencing.
Yeah.
Clerks.
And I'm sure probably the clerkswere like, um, I think this is
maybe not a thing.
And the judge is like, nah, I'm,I'm the judge.
Yeah.
I'm doing,
Dani (47:56):
I'm, I'm the boss.
Stephanie (47:57):
I'm the judge of this county.
So
Dani (48:00):
he's been resentenced fucking Yeah.
Just
Stephanie (48:02):
to get everything, all our P's and Q's in order.
What a shit show.
There should be a checklist.
Attorneys here, check
Dani (48:10):
defendant paperwork, check defendant.
Stephanie (48:13):
Check, check.
Are we charging two times forone crime?
If there's a check here, that'sa problem.
Dani (48:23):
Okay.
Stephanie (48:24):
Good God.
Dani (48:25):
In 1991, there is an appeal in from the Idaho Court
of Appeals for the second lifesentence for Searcy, but the
court upholds the sentence.
I don't get it.
This is because Ccy was askingthem to review the second
sentence he received, not thethird corrected sentence.
(48:48):
He didn't do his paperworkright, but he did his paperwork.
This is what I think He did dohis paperwork right, but then he
got resentenced during theappeal, which is a new file and
it's just, I just had to, I justhad to, I mean, there's so many
appeals.
All the red tape.
in 1993, in a ruling by theCourt of Appeals, Circe won a
(49:09):
modified sentence.
The additional prison term foruse of a firearm during a felony
is an indeterminate period tomatch the indeterminate life
sentence that he received forthe robbery.
Stephanie (49:24):
They tried to kind of throw him a bone, is what it
sounds like.
Yeah.
Which like we've discussed onother cases when they're like,
you have four life sentences,we'll take off one winning.
What difference does it make?
I mean, I guess if you had sometype of constitutional grounds
for all the other shit, maybe.
But I feel like sometimes thecourts are like, we don't wanna
(49:46):
talk about this anymore.
Yeah, sure.
We'll write it off.
We'll write it off.
Dani (49:51):
Here you go.
Here's your little win ticket.
Stephanie (49:53):
You
Dani (49:53):
win.
so.
Currently we went from 93 to2025, right?
Quite the jump.
Barrington Searcy is currently58 and is serving two life
sentences in the Idaho StateCredal institution because he
was so young.
Yeah, and he's still sitting.
Stephanie (50:16):
That's a lifetime, man.
Cocaine was not for you, bro.
No, no, no.
I'm glad you participated in theDARE program because truly, what
the fuck?
Dani (50:33):
Don't do it.
I just, I, look, I've knownpeople that have done drugs and
cocaine, never.
Like that's a recreational.
You, you can fuck up your life.
Mm-hmm.
You can fuck up your financial,it's not like a meth or heroin,
all that stuff.
Um, I don't hear very manypeople murdering about cocaine
Stephanie (50:56):
unless they're a dealer or a distributor, right?
No.
Not just a, not an recreationaluser.
No.
Or
Dani (51:03):
even an addicted cocaine user.
Stephanie (51:06):
I was just like, really, dude?
No.
Very young.
Should, shouldn't have been.
And once again, there's so manyop we, we've heard this so many
times where someone could havejust robbed someone and the
outcome of you robbing, even ifyou get caught, if someone is
able to remember you, is so muchless than getting a murderer.
(51:27):
So if you needed a thousandbucks and the silver coins, you
might have been able to escapeand.
Sometimes live for 10, 20 years.
Right?
'cause the police are notfollowing you and searching for
you like a manhunt for arobbery.
Dani (51:41):
No.
Those, those kids are lookingfor your gun
Stephanie (51:44):
instead of a murder though.
Yeah.
Then every freaking police forceis gonna be out for you.
Yeah.
Dani (51:50):
Especially in that you could have got
Stephanie (51:51):
10 years, 20 years maybe, who knows?
Like, and
Dani (51:53):
could have fixed your li you could have been out by the
time you were 30 and had a li.
You could have went and educatedyourself while you were in
prison.
You could
Stephanie (52:00):
have been a paralegal.
Dani (52:02):
That's a popular thing.
And then you know, you get out,you learn your lesson.
'cause you were so young.
Don't be murdering stop.
I mean, you really shouldn'trob, Rob.
I, I imagine if I got held up atgunpoint, I would have, it would
be a traumatic experience.
I would be scared.
I would have a lot of like,trauma, but I would not be dead.
(52:25):
Yes.
Stephanie (52:26):
I would not be dead.
And I'm, I'm sure most peoplewould be like, if, if you're a
business owner.
A thousand bucks.
Give it, what do we do with in,in loss from stealing or from
rotten product or expiredproduct?
A thousand dollars.
Right.
I think most people are willingto part with that for their
lives.
Oh, I don't think, but it soundslike this dude, wasn't he?
(52:50):
I think he thought about notdoing it, but then was just
like, fuck it, I gotta be,
Dani (52:56):
and I do think that there was a struggle over that gun.
Mm-hmm.
And whether he pulled thetrigger or accidentally went
off, I think that changed.
Stephanie (53:05):
Yeah.
All of his decisions.
'cause now you've already kindof crossed that threshold.
It's done.
Dani (53:10):
Yeah.
Because you should not be havinga loaded fucking weapon.
Well, A, you a never rob.
B.
Do not do a firearm.
Not take a fucking loaded gunanywhere where you're not
expecting to shoot somebodybecause it doesn't take much to
pull a trigger.
Stephanie (53:25):
Well, and even if you don't shoot anyone, if you do a
crime like this.
In addition to having a weapon,that's what gets you the big
time as well.
Big time.
So anyway, again, dumb criminalsall over the place, many common
themes that we've alreadydiscussed in previous episodes
(53:47):
and of fucking he, this is aperson that's still rotting more
than half of their life in jail.
Don't do drugs, guys.
Stop it.
So that's all I got, sis.
Thank you Danny, for anothergreat Idaho story.
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Yes, we have new ones.
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We've had some sickness lately,especially me.
I'm sorry.
We're slacking a little bit,especially on the social media
front, but we'll be there.
Dani (54:31):
Friendly reminder, because we have a summer we're gonna be
doing every other week
Stephanie (54:37):
Yes.
Dani (54:37):
so, and then in the fall we will be back at it.
But you know, we got riding and.
Cabining and fishing the sun isout to do.
And uh, you know, we, we bothwork full-time jobs and this is
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Stephanie (55:02):
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You guys can still reach out.
We'll still try to keep thetiktoks and everything going,
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Great cause, you'll hear moreabout that in the upcoming
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Overall, Danny, thank you.
And ten four.
Rob Ducky.
Fuck yess.
Hey everyone.
Welcome back to the LethalLibrary.
I am Stephanie.
And I'm Danny.
And we're here to talk aboutanother true crime in Idaho.
What do you got for us, Danny?
Mm.
Sky's a
Dani (00:44):
dick.
Uh, don't do drugs, kids.
No drugs, kids.
Just say no.
In today's episode, we have ofcourse, drugs.
Kids are finding multipleweapons in the middle of
nowhere.
Stephanie (01:02):
The fuck.
Dani (01:03):
And a judge that keeps fucking things up.
Stephanie (01:06):
Hmm, all, not the second one.
Wasn't a common theme we've had,but judges fucking things up.
And lots of drugs com commonthemes.
Let's, let's try to not do thatfolks.
Dani (01:20):
So on Thursday, July 16th, 1987, a hitchhiker was picked up
near St.
Anthony, Idaho and wasquestioned about an incident
that had happened earlier thatmorning in Ashton, Idaho.
Very close together, thesetowns, Ashton, Idaho, has a
population of about 1200 peopleand is located about 30 miles
(01:43):
west of the Wyoming border.
It's in the middle of nowhereand very far east.
It's.
Almost it's, it's almostYellowstone.
Stephanie (01:52):
Yeah.
I've never been there.
Never even, I don't know if I'vebeen through there.
If I have been, didn't, I don'tremember it.
I think
Dani (01:59):
you, I almost feel like you have to go through there to
get to Yellowstone.
I haven't been to theYellowstone.
I.
No.
Stephanie (02:06):
Mm-hmm.
Dani (02:08):
Have you seen the Yellowstone tiktoks?
Stephanie (02:10):
Um, yeah.
Can we talk about that?
Is that an official account ordid they just scoop up the name?
It is
Dani (02:17):
official.
I, I do think
Stephanie (02:18):
it's an official, I think these parks, employees are
like, you know what?
Fuck it.
I'm gonna do what I want and I'mprobably gonna get laid off
anyway, so.
Dani (02:27):
It was, they're, they're doing a good job.
A little risque.
Risque.
It's pretty funny.
If you haven't seen it, go checkout.
I think it's YellowstoneNational Park.
I think that's what it is.
But yeah.
So Barry, and so who's the guythat they're doing a bunch of?
Um, They're stitching with thisguy that's like, kind of like a
thirst trap guy.
Have you seen those?
(02:47):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So, and then playing veryinappropriate music, you're
like, oh my God.
Yeah.
Like, uh, my neck, my
Stephanie (02:55):
back, or some other, there's like some cupcake on
there, which, um, wow.
Dani (03:01):
Boom.
Let's go.
I love it.
Stephanie (03:03):
Whatever the parks need to do to get support and
get people to go to the parks.
They did some nine inch nails.
Yeah.
Connect with the youngergenerations.
Yeah.
Dani (03:13):
I'm, I'm here for it.
Uh, I'm old and I like it.
So anyway, that's where we'reat.
We are in the mountains.
Way yonder.
Yeah.
A woman was found shot to deathat a local grocery store.
Mike Rice last saw his wifeTheresa, about 8:30 PM on
(03:35):
Wednesday night when he left thestore to take the couple's two
children to a four H event.
This is so small town, right?
It is four H.
Stephanie (03:43):
Who doesn't love four H?
Love four H.
Dani (03:46):
Therea Rice 32 was discovered by her husband Mike.
The next morning shot to deathin the rear office of Jack's
super food store.
Not at the Jack's.
It's like a whole, like, I thinkit was probably the only
shopping center in Ashton, butit was like there was other
businesses there.
I could just kind of think ofthe Ridleys in Middleton.
(04:07):
Yeah, that's, that's what I'menvisioning.
That's what brings to my mind.
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, Theresa and her husbandMike, owned the store.
A man who lived across thestreet from the store said he
saw nothing unusual Wednesdaynight, but told the police that
a lighted sign that is typicallyon until midnight every night
(04:27):
was not on the night of the15th.
Mm.
Stephanie (04:31):
Very
Dani (04:31):
suspicious.
I just think it gives it also agood timeline, right?
Yeah.
Police found merchandise duringall, all over, near the cash
register in the store.
but authorities are unsure.
If there was a robbery takingplace when the murder happened,
Stephanie (04:50):
it could be staged.
Dani (04:51):
You never know.
Well.
They just seemed to dig a littleharder.
'cause after investigating, theysaid over uh, or approximately
$1,180 was missing along withsome silver coins.
Oh, I'm just going, I changedthat number like four times
through my research because itwas like every article, first it
(05:15):
was like this much, then thismuch then, oh, okay.
And then we finally get to thetrial and I know it was$1,180.
And it was, silver dollars anddimes that were stolen.
Dimes did not see that one
Stephanie (05:32):
coming.
Yay.
You gotta tell them what I havebronchitis.
So there's that.
There's that.
But what.
Movie was it?
It's the Menendez brothers,right?
Yeah.
Where he dimes.
He just needs dimes to makecalls.
And they're this rich family.
They keep sending him like ahundred bucks in cash.
He's like motherfucking
Dani (05:49):
dimes.
Dimes.
Oh, I wish I could remember it.
Like if you would've asked methat eight weeks ago, locked in,
I could have quoted it.
Okay.
But you know, I'm old, so therewe go.
Same in August.
Detectives still don't have anygood leads.
That's not good.
They believe the suspect must betransient.
(06:12):
Police interview over 200people.
Stephanie (06:16):
That's at least there was a lot of interviews.
'cause I feel like sometimeswhen they go with the transient
or a traveler through that,they're like kind of pinning it
on some unknown unicorn,mystical.
Like it's just someone thatfloated away in the wind, like
dust and it's like, no.
So thank you for doing theinterviews, but
Dani (06:38):
what's going on?
A 22 caliber gun was found bysome children floating the South
fork of the Madison River, nearWest Yellowstone, Montana, and
they turned it over toauthorities.
Good for you kids.
Thanks
Stephanie (06:51):
for not shooting your friends or.
Dani (06:55):
Keeping it being like, don't tell my mom.
I'm gonna just put the, I got anew joy.
Ugh.
The gun was sent to Boise forballistic testing to see if it
was the gun that shot Theresa.
It wasn't.
I'm just saying this is, if youfind a random gun, it, it, it.
(07:19):
It was used for something thatpeople don't just like, oh my
God, I'm sick of this gun.
I'm gonna throw it in a river.
Stephanie (07:25):
I'm just
Dani (07:26):
gonna throw it
Stephanie (07:26):
on the side of the river.
Don't ever, there's no suchthing as like an Easter egg free
gun.
Happy time.
Mm-hmm.
You find a gun hidden somewhereout in like the wilderness, the
river.
It's not a prize.
No.
You don't want anything to dowith that.
Take it to the.
Authorities immediate withgloves.
(07:49):
Yes.
Not, don't mess around with it.
Don't fire.
I won't see if it fires around.
No, no you don't.
No you don't.
You don't.
Dani (07:56):
You don't.
Because nobody leaves their,
Stephanie (08:00):
I'm not saying it's never happened.
Someone could lose their, theirpistol.
Sure.
My, I've, I've
Dani (08:04):
lost mine.
Whoopsie.
I got all the way back to thecabin and I was like, oh shit.
I rock hopped too hard, babe.
I found it though.
Stephanie (08:15):
She was jump, gyp, jumping over everything and, but
Dani (08:18):
I found it.
Mm-hmm.
But I mean, you get back to yourtruck and you realize your gun's
gone.
You're going back, you'relooking for it.
Yeah.
You're not just like, oh, well
Stephanie (08:26):
shucks getting it.
Dani (08:28):
No, because your name is typically tied to it.
Mm-hmm.
So anyway.
Yes.
mysterious guns found out in themiddle of nowhere are probably
not good.
Mm-hmm.
Things have happened.
So, the investigators arelooking beyond the Idaho state
border for clues.
Okay.
Because right where they're at,you know, they're very, they're
like, they're right by theborder.
(08:48):
They're, Hey, you got anythinggoing on like this?
so they're looking in Utah andMontana'cause there have been
crimes that are similar.
And they're trying to see ifthere's any common threads.
Stephanie (08:59):
Yeah.
Who is this that's doing thesethings?
Is
Dani (09:02):
it the same person?
Are we talking about?
Yeah.
There just, but we've had peoplethat go around and just shoot
people and then move on to thenext one.
Shoot people.
Yeah.
Cre.
Okay.
What was that one we did?
where they shot the old couple,but then they had shot the girl
in the head that did the.
Pump the gas.
Yes.
Yeah.
(09:22):
So I mean, fair.
They, they should be lookingsome just
Stephanie (09:24):
trigger happy and doing their nationwide tour of
Dani (09:29):
Nationwide.
Baby, A new composite drawing ofa man that was seen in the store
is released by investigators.
They had released a couple.
Right.
But this one was special.
Ooh.
The sketch was taken by the lastperson in the store that night
and was taken while underhypnosis.
Wow.
Stephanie (09:49):
This is a little woowoo for me, but I'm not
saying it's not a thing, but.
They clearly were exploring allavenues, so I have to give them
that.
They have interviewed 200people.
They're going across statelines.
Dani (10:02):
200 out of 1200.
Yeah.
The math is like, whoa.
That's a big percentage.
Yeah.
the suspect is described as,okay, it's long, but I'm just
gonna read it all.
The suspect is described as amale, approximately 31 to 32
years old, five feet, nineinches tall.
(10:22):
Slightly balding, dark roundeyes, long eyelashes, narrow
nose, dark, muddy complexion,and thick blue black hair cut.
I didn't understand this.
I'm just, I'd look up what blueblack meant.
It's like, it's like
Stephanie (10:41):
the blackest black.
Dani (10:42):
Yeah.
Stephanie (10:42):
Yeah.
I used to dye my hair blue.
Black.
Dani (10:44):
Okay.
Well I didn't know snide will bethe night and I'll fall for you.
Exactly.
Yep.
and he was wearing, a dark blueshirt.
Okay.
But that's not what led
Stephanie (11:01):
investigators to find a person of interest.
A person of interest.
I'm excited because this seemedlike a long shot.
Dani (11:10):
On September 17th, police arrest Barrington Eugene Searcy
in Rexburg, Idaho.
Another Eugene,
Stephanie (11:21):
God they like.
Is Eugene the Marie of middlenames for men, or it was, yeah,
Dani (11:26):
I think
Stephanie (11:26):
so.
Wow.
Dani (11:28):
And, uh, his name is spelled, it's Barrington, but
it's spelled B-A-R-R-Y-N-G.
TNI don't like that.
I don't like that.
Mama's hopping on the weirdspellings.
Like, yeah,
Stephanie (11:44):
stop that.
Dani (11:45):
Yeah.
He is charged with first degreemurder and robbery.
The 21-year-old is held withoutbond in Bonneville County, only
21.
Damn.
Yeah.
He was arrested after a youth.
I just think of that, um.
What is that show with theVinny, my cousin Vinny
Stephanie (12:08):
youth?
I don't know that reference.
Dani (12:11):
Oh my God.
Okay.
I am so fucking old.
Do you know I've heard of theshow.
I don't watch it.
My cousin Vinny with MarissaTome, it's a, it's a movie.
It, I'm gonna request that youwatch it this weekend, and she's
like, my biological clock
Stephanie (12:24):
is ticking.
Is, is it about a court case?
Yeah.
And that she knows about cars?
Yes, I have seen it.
Okay.
Sorry.
It takes a little bit for me toconnect the Knotts sometimes,
but I have seen it.
Okay.
Dani (12:36):
But they're from like new youth and he says Ute and the
judge is like, you mean youths?
Yeah, youth youths.
Okay.
Sorry, sidetrack.
Walking in the, at.
He was arrested after a youthfound a gun wrapped in duct tape
and hidden under a rocksoutheast of Rexburg.
Stephanie (13:00):
There's just freaking guns all over the place.
It's literally an Easter egghunt.
What's happening here?
Dani (13:04):
It, it is.
I and the detectives were ableto trace the gun comeback to
Circe.
Okay.
First of all, wrapping duct tapearound anything is just
preserving evidence.
Yeah.
Yeah, you gonna go fetch thatgun later?
You dumb ass.
You don't want it to rust out.
And he's like, okay, so I'mgonna wrap it in duct tape and
(13:26):
protect it so I can come backand get it later.
Are you gonna go hunting withthat?
Are you gonna just carry arounda murder weapon?
Stephanie (13:33):
No.
Take the bottom of Lake Tahoe.
Like hello?
Dani (13:39):
Yeah, I would like the find some power tools.
Cut it up.
Chunky, chunky pieces here.
Mm-hmm.
Pieces there.
To solve.
I mean, I'm not giving anyadvice, I'm sorry.
Wrap it up on duct tape andleave it under a rock where a
youth can find it.
Put your
Stephanie (13:55):
name and business card as well in it.
So, yeah.
'cause you wanna go back and getit so you, if someone else finds
it, they should contact you.
Dani (14:02):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Stephanie (14:03):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Dani (14:04):
If found, find slightly Baldy not used
Stephanie (14:08):
for murders.
Dani (14:09):
Round, round eyes with black, blue hair and return.
Thank you.
and a preliminary hearing.
Rika Davis, a clerk at Jack'sHighway Shopping.
Center testified, she said shesaw Cy in the store that night
around 8:10 PM and the nightthat Theresa was murdered.
(14:33):
I'm thinking Rika is the galthat was hypnotized and gave I
think so, yeah.
Because she must have
Stephanie (14:39):
just been the last person in the store or
something.
Dani (14:42):
Mm.
So little town, little county.
Right.
And it sounds like the hypnotismkind of
Stephanie (14:49):
worked.
Mm.
Yeah.
Because I mean, if you ask me,Steph, even two days ago, even
yesterday when you went to thegas station and got a soda,
there was one other person inthere and only the clerk.
What did that person look like?
I would be like, there wasanother person there.
(15:13):
I couldn't tell you if it was aman or a woman.
Let's see if they were actingsuper suspicious, maybe.
I would remember,
Dani (15:21):
Uh, so this is a very tiny county.
Yeah.
So Fremont County has to declarean emergency to pay for
prosecuting him.
The county had to get a line ofcredit of$50,000 from a bank.
Oh my God.
Stephanie (15:36):
And this is in the eighties, right?
Yeah, late, late eighties.
Dani (15:39):
they had to get a lot of credit just to prosecute those
clean
Stephanie (15:41):
alone because we apparently,
Dani (15:43):
people want a murder in our county.
Stephanie (15:46):
Do not come to my town, do not murder in my town.
Dani (15:51):
In 1988, a request for a change in venue was, requested
by the defense team.
They said the media coverage andthe community outrage over a
previous slaying of a team.
A teenager five years ago willprevent CCE getting a fair trial
in the county.
Okay.
(16:12):
The defense also said the countyis so small that prospective
jurors or probably know Theresaor others directly involved in
the case,
Stephanie (16:20):
especially if it's the town store.
Yeah, of course they're gonnaknow.
Fair.
Everyone goes there.
Dani (16:25):
Fair.
Yeah, absolutely.
And let's just save ourselvessome appeals later.
Yes, please.
It just reminds me of that, youknow, our motorcycle gang case
where it's like they tried to doit in Spokane.
I'm like, everybody's like, ohyeah, we've heard of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We know that.
(16:46):
And so they had to end up movingit over to, king County, so that
would've totally happened here.
Yeah.
Just save everybody someheartache.
District Judge h Reynold Georgeruled the trial, be moved to
Rigby Idaho.
Rigby is in Jefferson County,about 40 minutes from Ashton,
which is a little bigger.
Mm-hmm.
(17:06):
And the trial starts on March7th, 1988.
A state firearms expert.
Wally Baker.
I like
Stephanie (17:15):
that name.
Wally Baker.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dani (17:17):
He sounds smart, but kind of maybe fun.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, testified that he was.
He testified he was absolutelypositive that one of the two
bullets that killed Theresa camefrom the same 22 caliber Ruger
rifle that Ccy had purchased onJuly 7th, 1987 at a Kmart
(17:38):
Rexburg.
Stephanie (17:39):
And that was only like a week before this
happened.
Dani (17:43):
Yeah.
What the
Stephanie (17:45):
fuck?
The fuck?
Dani (17:50):
And he is a kid.
What an idiot.
Yeah, stop.
Go to the
Stephanie (17:54):
roller drum or something.
Find a hobby.
Dani (17:57):
Just
Stephanie (17:58):
be
Dani (17:58):
buying guns about it.
Well, CCY takes a stand in hisdefense.
Hmm.
He stated, so this is all hisstuff.
This is his story.
It does have some juice though,so I'm kind of like, I kind of
believe it, but maybe noteverything.
So let's hear it.
He stated that he fatally shotTheresa as she begged for her
(18:22):
life.
Alright.
He did it because he wasaddicted to cocaine and asked to
be spared a first degree murderconviction.
Can I, I just didn't thinkcocaine was that.
I thought like, I think meth,heroin.
Stephanie (18:38):
Cocaine.
Yeah.
Most people don't get, I mean,there's people in very high
functioning jobs that usecocaine daily to this day.
Um, that it's not healthy.
It's, it's not a great copingmechanism or a way to do your
job.
But there are people that, morepeople than you would ever think
do cocaine and people that younever thought would do cocaine
(19:01):
'cause they're professional andthere's people out there doing
cocaine, so.
Maybe crack cocaine.
'cause I've heard that has alittle bit more.
I was just really surprised.
Loose.
Like, and that
Dani (19:12):
didn't come up.
I mean this says 87.
I mean yeah,
Stephanie (19:15):
everyone was doing cocaine.
Yeah.
They're not, was having a littlebump.
They're not out there murderingthe the town grocery store
owner.
For
Dani (19:27):
what?
To get a fix.
You got a murder about itreally.
So he testified, quote, I wasthe one who pulled the trigger.
Stephanie (19:38):
Okay.
Dani (19:39):
He said that Theresa would not have been killed if he
wasn't addicted to cocaine.
prosecutor, Peter Lin saidquote, it looks, it sure looks
like you planned, premeditatedand carried out the murder of
Theresa Rice duringcross-examination.
'cause he is asking forvoluntary manslaughter and he is
(20:00):
like.
Uh, can we just talk about whatyou did?
You
Stephanie (20:03):
didn't slip and fall into a murder.
You went there with a purpose,which you
Dani (20:07):
went to Kmart last week.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then, yeah.
You didn't slip and fall intothat.
You were absolutely correct.
Okay.
Uh, CCY responded, quote, Iagree.
It looks like that.
Hmm.
Okay.
Taking maybe some ownershiphere, but how is it not like
that is the important part,right?
(20:29):
Yep.
Ccy testified that he hit on topof a cooler in the back of the
store.
Stephanie (20:35):
Oh my God.
Dani (20:36):
And he said, he quote, knew he was probably going to
have to kill her, but he alsotestified he was relieved when
he thought she had left thestore and he went into the
office to find the money.
But Theresa hadn't left.
Stephanie (20:54):
He was too excited.
He was doing bumps of cocaine ontop of the cooler.
Got him all worked
Dani (20:58):
up.
Theresa found him in the officeand confronted him.
He said she grabbed the gun,which fired, and the bullet
struck Theresa in her abdomen,and then I just seemed so locked
in.
I didn't wanna hurt her.
Okay.
(21:20):
Ccy ordered her to open the safeand told Theresa, oh my God.
He told Theresa he would call anambulance if she cooperated Ccy,
then took the money from thesafe.
He stated, quote, I stood up andI thought, what do I do now?
The whole plan seemedoverpowering at that point.
(21:43):
Yeah, because you don't murder,you don't hold up.
You have a
Stephanie (21:47):
choice at this point.
Dani (21:50):
Mm.
Theresa was leaning on the deskand he said quote, I told her to
lie down on the ground.
Instead of that, she justslumped down in the chair
because she shot in the fuckingstomach.
Yeah.
She's not feeling great, bud.
Before I even thought about whatI was doing, I put the gun to
(22:10):
her head and shot her.
Ccy said,
Stephanie (22:13):
sure.
You wanna say you didn't thinkabout it or not.
Then what does that say about ifyou're willing to do that and
not think about it, then hey,
Dani (22:22):
uh, his whole angle is drugs, drugs, drugs.
And you'll see a little bit morehere later.
Stephanie (22:27):
Yeah.
Again, though, with justcocaine, whatever
Dani (22:30):
Theresa prayed for her life as he shot her,
Stephanie (22:35):
and if you remember that, you, you experienced that.
Uh, so I don't, I don't careabout your cocaine.
Excuse plenty of people.
Were doing cocaine and not doingthis.
Dani (22:47):
Not hiding on coolers and shooting people.
Yeah.
He stayed in the store for about25 minutes after the murder and
paced back and forth from herbody to the door.
Oh, panic set in, bud.
You realize she just did this?
Yeah.
Yeah, you did it.
You did it.
Didn't he do?
CCY also testified that he hadbeen suicidal in the past and
(23:10):
had committed three armedrobberies in Utah.
Stephanie (23:13):
Oh.
So there was some similar thingshappening?
Mm-hmm.
Dani (23:18):
He also said the reason he tried to kill himself was so he
wouldn't kill his family fortheir life insurance policies.
Stephanie (23:28):
Pardon the fuck no.
The no.
No one does that.
No one does that.
Dani (23:32):
He had that thought process.
No one's
Stephanie (23:34):
like, gosh, I really wanna kill everyone I know and
get their life insurance becauseof that.
I'm gonna kill myself if you'rehaving no.
I gotta just call bullshit, likepeople that are committing
suicide are not doing it toprevent them from getting life
insurance from murdering theirfamilies.
(23:57):
No.
You have to have a lot of egoand self-esteem to think that
you can kill your family forlife insurance.
Suicidal people aren't reallyconcerning themselves with that.
Dani (24:09):
Mm.
No.
Um, and I wanna talk a littlebit about Theresa.
I, I didn't write this down, buther friend said she was feisty.
She was an ornery gal, so, so Ibet she was like, who the fuck
are you?
She grabbed the gun.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
She would not back down.
That's what her friend said.
So, uh, and you shouldn't.
(24:31):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, you should be able tostand, especially owning the
store.
But, gosh, you know, him beingso young, she probably, I bet
she scared him.
Yeah, I would've been like, areyou fucking kidding me?
Stephanie (24:43):
Yeah, really.
And just seeing that pushbackwhen maybe he had had his other
armed robberies where they wentover Yep.
Just perfectly to plan ofsomeone being like, yes, go
ahead.
Dani (24:55):
No.
She's like, no, we're not.
Well, he probably startled
Stephanie (24:57):
her too.
Dani (24:59):
Shit.
Well, maybe no.
'cause he was from expert.
I was saying maybe she knew him,but No,
Stephanie (25:05):
probably not.
But I bet it scared her'cause.
She wasn't expecting someone tobe in that office.
Dani (25:10):
Oh, absolutely.
But she was a feisty gal and waslike grabbing the gun.
Yeah.
Takes a lot of, well, you gothave some balls.
Yes.
I've been like, uh, I would'veyelled at him like I would've
scolded him like a child.
But also, you'll respect, yougot the gun.
Take the money.
Bye.
I didn't even see you.
Mm-hmm.
I'm gonna leave the store now,so I'm just gonna leave.
(25:32):
I would've, nothing is worth it.
You know, you see these.
You, you hear stories of people.
Yeah.
A young crack head out here,Robin.
Yeah.
It's like, just don't let'emtake the money.
They're gonna fuck up theirlives anyway.
Mm-hmm.
Just, yeah.
the jury deliberated for alittle over three hours before
returning the verdict of guiltyof first degree murder robbery.
(25:57):
And using a firearm in thecommission of a felony.
All of those, all of
Stephanie (26:02):
those every time.
Dani (26:04):
And the death penalties on the table for ccy at 21.
What a shame.
Well, you don't go kill wivesand mothers while they're
fucking running their business.
You deba, authorities move CCEto the state's maximum security
prison following the conviction.
This pissed everybody off.
Well, his defense team, but hisdefense attorney, Gordon
(26:26):
Thatcher, is asking for Ccy tobe removed from the prison
because he's not been sentencedyet and still a prisoner of the
county.
He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa,
Stephanie (26:35):
whoa.
Dani (26:35):
Well, can we go
Stephanie (26:36):
back to the county one, please?
Dani (26:39):
Well, and I understand his reasonings right?
He has a sentencing hearing, heneeds to work with him.
He's like, uh, you're gonna makeme drive all the way to fucking
Boise to talk to my dude.
Mm-hmm.
He's like, this is, this is nothow it works at all.
But, you know, Idaho, they just,they like to be very petty and
they just do what they do.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, he is convicted.
Let's go just, and, and hisattorney, Thatcher said, CCY was
(27:02):
placed in unit eight at theprison.
That house is then the uniteight.
houses, death row and maximumsecurity inmates.
Stephanie (27:09):
It's like meet your new friends.
Yeah.
Scared straight.
Too late.
I'm just trying to give him someenrichment time with his peers,
his future peers.
Dani (27:21):
A little play date seriously is moved to the unit
two.
Unit one at the prison, which isa psychiatric unit of the
prison.
Well, so, because we all knowthat part of the sentencing,
they go under psych.
Psychiatric evaluation and allthat stuff.
So that kind of made sense.
But still, he's not there yet.
He, he should still be in countyjail.
Stephanie (27:40):
Yeah, you're right.
Dani (27:42):
And early April, Ceci has finally moved back to Bonneville
jail in eastern Idaho while hewaits sentencing.
There we go.
Get I just, this is the thingthat, it's just like a toddler,
right?
Like they're gonna just do, thestate of Idaho is just doing
shit.
See if anybody catches them.
Stephanie (27:59):
Yeah.
Are you gonna file a motionabout it or what?
Uh,
Dani (28:03):
fuck.
He's, he's a convicted killer.
Mm-hmm.
Rcs defense team is asking JudgeGeorge to extend their deadline
requesting a new trial.
They said they need additionaltime to review files and do
legal research to decide whetherto ask for a true or not, a new
trial or not fair.
(28:24):
Okay.
You have like 45 days or someridiculous shit.
Like we've seen it in thesestories where they're asking for
a new trial before they've evenbeen sentenced.
Yeah.
Stephanie (28:35):
It's like,
Dani (28:36):
wait, I am like, I'm so confused.
What is happening?
You
Stephanie (28:39):
need a proper procedure.
Dani (28:42):
Michael Cam, a court appointed attorney for cci,
asked Judge George to dismissone of his two first degree
murder convictions, which didn'tmake any sense to me in the
paper.
So I wrote that down and Iwanna.
He had two first degree murderconvictions, correct?
That's what, that's what thepaper said.
(29:03):
But what I think they meant tosay, I don't know.
That doesn't make any sense.
I don't know.
It said he had two first degreemurder convictions, one for the
murder and one for the robbery.
Stephanie (29:19):
I don't under, he must have said something wrong
Dani (29:22):
because I was thinking, well, maybe they mean two life
sentences.
Mm-hmm.
But he hadn't been sentencedyet.
Okay.
Anyway, help me with the chaos.
But his attorney was saying toask one, to dismiss one of the
convictions because he's facingdouble punishment.
Stephanie (29:44):
Maybe like maybe one of the other charges like.
Dani (29:48):
Well, I think it might have been in commission
Stephanie (29:49):
of a crime or something.
Dani (29:50):
I, I, well, you'll, you're going to hear what he gets
convicted of.
I mean, uh, sentenced to, buthe, there's, he was convicted of
murder and robbery and doingthe, a firearm using a firearm
and a commission of a felony.
So we're gonna hear more aboutthis, so we'll just, just keep
(30:11):
on confusing and, and movingforward, because I did not
understand, I even have ahighlighted.
I'm like, I don't get it.
Uh, Anna's argument Cam statedthat a defendant cannot be
convicted of two counts ofmurdering the same person.
Stephanie (30:26):
I didn't see that in the earlier ones.
So maybe if they did have, well,there
Dani (30:30):
was another case that was like, like where they did,
Stephanie (30:32):
like you got first degree and second degree for one
person or something.
Dani (30:36):
Yeah.
Stephanie (30:37):
Yeah.
So maybe it was something weirdlike that
Dani (30:40):
while watting his sentencing hearing.
You are gonna like this.
Okay.
Seriously wrote a letter to thestudents of Madison County about
substance abuse
Stephanie (30:53):
For the DARE program.
Dani (30:56):
Just say no, babe.
Oh, okay.
I'm gonna do a little quotinghere.
Thank you.
It is possible that I will begiven the death penalty.
It is possible if I have neverused alcohol and drugs.
This murder may never have beencommitted.
I am asking you to make thatdecision today, not because
(31:18):
perhaps your religion tells younot to and not because your
parents tell you not to, butbecause if you don't make that
decision and someday start usingdrugs, it could very easily be
you someday, who is sitting injail waiting to go to prison?
And there is only one way tomake sure that you never become
an alcoholic or an addict, andthat is to never take the first
(31:41):
drink or drug.
In the letter he said to thestudents who already
experimented with drugs thatwere fooling, that they were
fooling themselves, that theyhad thought they could never
become an addict.
As you tell yourself that, Ihope you realize that I have
told myself.
That I would never use drugs,but I did.
(32:02):
And when I started smoking pot,I would tell myself that I would
never use hard drugs.
I tell myself that I'd never usea needle to shoot up, but I was
only 16 years old when I firstused cocaine.
And the first time I usedcocaine, I used a needle.
That is a escalation that youdon't typically see.
That's that's pretty aggressive.
(32:23):
I too have said I can quit usingdrugs anytime I want to.
I just don't want to.
I too have thought drugs werefun and that they were cool.
Stephanie (32:35):
I mean, I appreciate his efforts in this, but I feel
like he's just doing it to belike, if it wasn't for the
drugs, I wouldn't have shot thatgal, which I don't know,
Dani (32:46):
probably
Stephanie (32:47):
maybe.
But still, there's just so manypeople that use drugs and Rob
and they don't usually murder.
Yeah.
And
Dani (32:58):
this does well for him.
Stephanie (32:59):
Oh, I'm sure.
'cause he's being an advocatefor the DARE program.
Mm-hmm.
That was very big around thistime.
Dani (33:05):
This does well for him.
Mm-hmm.
Because you know, he is up forthe death penalty.
So he's being an advocate for nodrugs.
On May 31st, judge Georgesentenced ccy to a determinate
life sentence with no chance ofparole for the first degree
murder conviction.
Ccy was also given anindeterminate life sentence with
(33:27):
a 10 year minimum for hisrobbery conviction, along with a
10 year enhancement penalty forusing a firearm in the
commission of a felony.
I'm still confused about Yeah.
Stephanie (33:40):
Wherever the hell that other first degree murder
came from.
Yeah.
I think
Dani (33:43):
they were, I,
Stephanie (33:44):
I don't know.
Dani (33:45):
I feel like it, someone
Stephanie (33:46):
filed something wrong.
I don't know.
Dani (33:49):
Judge George said, while Searcy's dependence on cocaine
has been orchestrated as thecatalyst and even the actual
cause for the killing of TheresaRice, the court has never come
close to having been drawn intothe ploy that cocaine is the
culprit, that cocaine was themurderer.
No.
Stephanie (34:10):
Excellent Judge George.
There's plenty of people thatmurder without being on any
drugs.
Dani (34:15):
Mm-hmm.
Um, yeah.
But this is the last good thingwe're gonna hear from him.
He's a shit serious.
He is?
No,
Stephanie (34:30):
the
Dani (34:30):
judge.
Yeah.
Judge George.
Oh.
Which I have a hard time.
That doesn't roll with thetongue.
No.
Okay.
Judge George.
And Cece gave, gave a pressconference after he was spare
the death penalty.
Wonderful.
He said, quote, I want them toknow how sorry I am.
I just cannot express all that Ihave.
(34:51):
I have just uprooted theirfamilies.
He said through tears.
I do think he feels bad, butYou're an idiot.
Yeah.
Uh, pills, pills, pills, pills,pills
Stephanie (35:02):
all over the place.
Dani (35:04):
In a 35 page motion filed in June, CCY is claiming
misconduct by the prosecution inthe case.
This goes back to the two lifesentences.
attorney cam argued in a motionthat the two life sentences
handed down by Judge George wereillegally imposed and that
George May have been undulyinfluenced by overzealousness
(35:29):
and animosity.
Yes.
Show'em by the prosecutors.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
I'm too many syllables.
Stephanie (35:39):
I mean, I have to agree with that a hundred
percent because anything with az in it.
Instant
Dani (35:46):
brain, uh, cam's asking that the robbery conviction be
vacated or merged with themurder conviction.
Look, I, I really don'tunderstand how you can get life
in prison for robbery.
Stephanie (36:03):
I
Dani (36:03):
suppose,
Stephanie (36:04):
yeah.
But also if you're like, what ifthey didn't get the murder at
all?
And so they're asking for it tobe merged with the murder, like,
which is so weird for me tothink about, but it's like
Dani (36:18):
I just have a hard time with them.
Like when there's one actcommitted.
And they just stack.
Stephanie (36:25):
Yeah,
Dani (36:26):
on.
I don't understand that.
It's one act.
Stephanie (36:28):
But I feel like it is multiple acts, isn't it?
Like
Dani (36:32):
you are robbery and murdering, but to get two life
sentences for something he didin the same half hour.
I just don't think, look,robbery bad.
You shouldn't rob people, but,but robbery
Stephanie (36:45):
isn't killing someone.
Dani (36:46):
Right.
A whole life sentence.
So it's just not comparable.
Yeah, it's just not
Stephanie (36:52):
comparable.
Especially when we know of thewhite collar crimes, when they,
it's essentially robbery.
These people with Ponzi schemeswho have stolen millions of
dollars, oftentimes from theirfriends and closest confidant.
Mm-hmm.
Because they believe in them andwanna invest in their
friendship.
Mm-hmm.
That's a little bit more, morefor me.
Dani (37:10):
The same day the motion was filed, judge George entered
an order dismissing Cam anddefense attorney Thatcher saying
their services were no longernecessary in the case.
Oh,
Stephanie (37:22):
you know what?
Um, we don't need you anymore.
Anymore.
Are you?
Are you filing something?
Shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
Next
Dani (37:31):
public defender, William Forsberg will handle all stages
of the appeal.
I just feel like that was kindof,
Stephanie (37:38):
it was kind of cunty.
Dani (37:39):
It was, um,
Stephanie (37:41):
um, I'm gonna put officially that we don't even
know you.
Dani (37:45):
Yeah.
So, thanks for filing yourmotion.
Go fuck yourself.
Why are you here?
Who are you?
Were you even invited?
You can't sit with us.
Stephanie (37:57):
Regina, I'm sorry.
I couldn't
Dani (38:00):
help it.
So
Stephanie (38:00):
you think you're really pretty.
Dani (38:07):
Um, in October, judge George cut 10 years from
Searcy's sentence.
He ruled this is, he ruled thathe had improperly imposed two 10
year prison terms on CCE forusing a firearm in the
commission of a crime.
Whoopsie.
Only one in hand sentence wasproper.
(38:28):
Okay, judge, glad you took thatoff.
This is what concerns me withthe two life sentences.
Yes.
Stephanie (38:35):
And it's almost like it feels like when judges do
this, that they're like beinggenerous.
Yeah.
Like I'll give you a 10%discount, but it's like, no, you
actually can't do that twice.
Right.
For one thing.
Dani (38:52):
He is like, oh my bad.
All right.
I'm gonna do you a favor.
I'm gonna fix it up for you.
Alright.
I'm, and by the way, I'm notexcusing this guy's behavior.
No at all.
But, you know, law enforcementenforce in the judicial system
can be sneaky, sneaky sometimes
Stephanie (39:10):
can be a bag of dicks for sure.
And the more that judges makethese mistakes.
The more you erode public trustin the system and make people be
like, well, I've heard aboutthis happening, and look, it did
fucking happen.
Yeah.
Dani (39:24):
Why am I getting two life sentences for the same crime?
Yeah, it was the same.
That's how I, I'm sorry.
It was the same crime.
Stephanie (39:31):
Yeah.
We need to be by the, I mean,it's not getting
Dani (39:33):
out, so I mean, really Do you have to just do that to be
extra dickish like
Stephanie (39:39):
Yeah.
Dani (39:40):
He's, he has a life sentence and if he, and if it
was done well.
And everything was good and itwas buttoned up and a clean
trial, you're not gonna win on apill.
You shouldn't have to worryabout that stuff.
So, uh, just having backup forbackup, for backup,
Stephanie (39:55):
CYA, cover your ass, do the right thing, don't be a
shit, and don't be trying to jamon charges.
And it's extra, extra.
Dani (40:03):
And we've seen that in a lot of these cases we've done.
In 1990, the Idaho Supreme Courtupheld the conviction and for
the fixed life sentence for cce,CCE was challenging the Idaho
legislatures 1982.
This blew my mind, by the way,did not know this.
(40:25):
How did I not know this?
We're like almost 30 episodesdeep.
And how did I just, okay.
he was challenging the Idaholegislature's 1982.
Abolition of the insanity,defense and criminal cases.
Stephanie (40:41):
Mm.
Because, yeah, Idaho don't liketo fuck around with that.
Dani (40:44):
We don't do it.
We're like, yeah, sure we don't.
It's not even a fuck around.
It's not even an option.
Like there is no insanitydefense.
It basically
Stephanie (40:56):
can get you.
To go somewhere and becomementally competent.
Like that's kinda what happenedwith Lori Vallow.
That's exactly, they're like,sure, you might not be.
Now we're gonna find a way tomake you,
Dani (41:08):
we're gonna give you some drugs and give you some therapy.
We're
Stephanie (41:10):
gonna get you so many therapists, and then you're
gonna go to trial and one of thetherapists is gonna say that
you're okay.
Yeah.
And then you're going to becompetent.
Yeah.
Dani (41:19):
Then
Stephanie (41:19):
that's kind of,
Dani (41:20):
then we're good.
Yeah.
Um, but I had no idea.
I didn't realize that.
In Idaho, you could not pleadinsanity.
Stephanie (41:28):
No.
And you, and it's
Dani (41:29):
a rare thing that that even works anyway.
It's like grasping for strawsmm-hmm.
In any other state.
Uh, but we just do not offerthat.
Stephanie (41:39):
It just isn't an option.
No.
And also there's something,that's a thing that I've heard
on, I listen to a lot ofDateline podcasts, but there's a
lot of, there's one thing thatis in several different states
that is basically a crime ofpassion.
Mm-hmm.
Where you can be convicted andthen you can kind of pull this
(41:59):
out as a loophole and say.
Well, someone was in the throesof passion or something spurred
you to it in the moment, and youcan get two to 20 years for a
murder if you, if the jury, thejury has to approve it and say,
yes, they did murder thisperson.
(42:19):
But the attorneys have convincedus that this is something that
was like a.
The snap of the fingers type ofemotion.
You know what I'm totally
Dani (42:30):
thinking right now?
Shan Redemption.
He caught his wife.
Mm-hmm.
He walked in and caught his wifesleeping with a golf pro that he
didn't really do, it didn't do,
Stephanie (42:40):
but he could.
He could have used that, right?
No, there's one and.
I'll have to look up the actualepisode, but where basically a
gal and her rich husband, theywere both rich.
They had a personal business,which they were also in trouble
with the IRS, so they were kindof scared as well, always.
But he had a many years mistressthat supposedly they both knew
about each other.
(43:00):
The wife said she didn't, butthey got in a road rage
incident.
Oh, I remember that.
Yes.
And she got off on, she gotconvicted of killing him, but
they did agree that it was a.
In the passion of the momentthing.
And so she got two years for itand she was able to get out and
then got persecuted orprosecuted from the tax evasion
(43:25):
or scammy stuff.
I don't know.
But there's been a, I think twocases that I've heard of in that
area of the US where it's likeyou kind, it's basically a
loophole.
Like you wait for the jury tofind you guilty and then you
say, but what if?
What if I got really mad rightin like a short period of time?
And you can two years.
(43:45):
Wow.
Dani (43:47):
I was, I mean, I just, because obviously I listened to
the Datelines, I listened to allof it, and you hear this come
up, and I never knew that it wasnot a defense in Idaho.
So good old tater land.
Mm.
Defense attorney Forsberg arguedCcy has a constitutional right
(44:08):
to use the lack of mentalresponsibility as a defense.
Idaho Solicitor General LynnThomas says, CSI's action in the
murder showed none of thedisorganization or
disorientation that wouldindicate sanity, insanity.
Fair.
That it is fair.
Like
Stephanie (44:26):
we're looking for someone who has like a diagnosed
bipolar schizophrenic like.
That's what you're looking forwith the insanity, not just
drugs and
Dani (44:36):
alcohol.
Look, you get, you hit somebodywhen you've been drinking.
There's no, oh, and it wasinsanity'cause I was drunk.
Nope.
Sorry.
Did you get drunk on purpose?
Uhhuh?
Yeah.
You, yeah,
Stephanie (44:50):
you well.
And everyone was doing cocaine.
Dani (44:53):
Everybody,
Stephanie (44:54):
and they're not out here hiding on top of coolers,
robbing the local grocery store.
This
Dani (44:59):
poor, she was so young.
Mm-hmm.
And they were just doing theirjam, raising their kids.
They're not getting rich, rich,rich.
They're not like, oh, they'reworking their fucking asses off.
They have
Stephanie (45:12):
a small supplier, like a small grocery store, and
they have their
Dani (45:15):
latitude like, you know, but they're still living and
breathing That fucking jog 24hours a day.
They are living and breathingthat business.
They're
Stephanie (45:22):
supplying their community.
Yep.
With growth.
So they're part of thecommunity.
They don't get deals like aWalmart or Albertson's?
No.
They're just, they're tryingtheir best, so, yeah.
Fuck you.
And, and
Dani (45:34):
breathing that business, like Yeah.
They're there all the, theydon't close what?
She was there between eight andnine closing up, so they close
at nine and you know they openat seven.
Mm-hmm.
Like, okay, I'm gonna go homeand go to sleep.
And then husband gets up andthen she gets up and takes care.
Like that's all they do.
Yeah.
Work, work, work.
I've done it.
Stephanie (45:54):
Just say, and the whole community knows that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dani (45:58):
quote, there isn't any evidence of anything other than
a planned cold-blooded violationact.
Yeah,
Stephanie (46:09):
he didn't just insanely be like,
Dani (46:11):
what am I doing?
I'm robbing a chain.
He thought he was killing ninjasor no zombies or, yeah.
No, there was none of that.
No.
Idaho still allow, but Idahostill allows a defendant's
mental condition to beconsidered during sentencing,
just not as a defense.
Yes.
the insanity defense is notavailable in four states.
(46:36):
Minority
Stephanie (46:36):
Always.
Yeah.
Who Did you know what the otherstates are?
Yeah.
Idaho.
Dani (46:42):
Kansas.
But the other two are in pocketReady, Montana and Utah.
Stephanie (46:49):
Oh.
So we're like buddied up withtwo of'em, and then we're like,
oh, Kansas is with us.
Kansas.
We're not in Kansas anymore.
Dorothy.
Dani (46:56):
Yeah.
So Kansas is kind of the offcast, but we touch all these
borders here.
in December of 1990, CCY issentenced for a third time.
Oh, judge George re-sentencedCcy to life in prison without
the possibility of parole, anindeterminate life term with a
(47:18):
minimum of 10 years for robberyand another 10 years for the use
of a firearm.
Why?
Because Cy was not in thecourtroom when he resentenced
him the second time.
Removing the additional firearmsentence.
Stephanie (47:33):
Uh, can we please find out a way to check the
boxes?
Idaho.
Some of these are such, it'sjust
Dani (47:41):
a fucking checklist.
They're simple.
It's just a checklist.
Is
Stephanie (47:43):
is the, is the defendant here?
No, no.
Sentencing.
Yeah.
Clerks.
And I'm sure probably the clerkswere like, um, I think this is
maybe not a thing.
And the judge is like, nah, I'm,I'm the judge.
Yeah.
I'm doing,
Dani (47:56):
I'm, I'm the boss.
Stephanie (47:57):
I'm the judge of this county.
So
Dani (48:00):
he's been resentenced fucking Yeah.
Just
Stephanie (48:02):
to get everything, all our P's and Q's in order.
What a shit show.
There should be a checklist.
Attorneys here, check
Dani (48:10):
defendant paperwork, check defendant.
Stephanie (48:13):
Check, check.
Are we charging two times forone crime?
If there's a check here, that'sa problem.
Dani (48:23):
Okay.
Stephanie (48:24):
Good God.
Dani (48:25):
In 1991, there is an appeal in from the Idaho Court
of Appeals for the second lifesentence for Searcy, but the
court upholds the sentence.
I don't get it.
This is because Ccy was askingthem to review the second
sentence he received, not thethird corrected sentence.
(48:48):
He didn't do his paperworkright, but he did his paperwork.
This is what I think He did dohis paperwork right, but then he
got resentenced during theappeal, which is a new file and
it's just, I just had to, I justhad to, I mean, there's so many
appeals.
All the red tape.
in 1993, in a ruling by theCourt of Appeals, Circe won a
(49:09):
modified sentence.
The additional prison term foruse of a firearm during a felony
is an indeterminate period tomatch the indeterminate life
sentence that he received forthe robbery.
Stephanie (49:24):
They tried to kind of throw him a bone, is what it
sounds like.
Yeah.
Which like we've discussed onother cases when they're like,
you have four life sentences,we'll take off one winning.
What difference does it make?
I mean, I guess if you had sometype of constitutional grounds
for all the other shit, maybe.
But I feel like sometimes thecourts are like, we don't wanna
(49:46):
talk about this anymore.
Yeah, sure.
We'll write it off.
We'll write it off.
Dani (49:51):
Here you go.
Here's your little win ticket.
Stephanie (49:53):
You
Dani (49:53):
win.
so.
Currently we went from 93 to2025, right?
Quite the jump.
Barrington Searcy is currently58 and is serving two life
sentences in the Idaho StateCredal institution because he
was so young.
Yeah, and he's still sitting.
Stephanie (50:16):
That's a lifetime, man.
Cocaine was not for you, bro.
No, no, no.
I'm glad you participated in theDARE program because truly, what
the fuck?
Dani (50:33):
Don't do it.
I just, I, look, I've knownpeople that have done drugs and
cocaine, never.
Like that's a recreational.
You, you can fuck up your life.
Mm-hmm.
You can fuck up your financial,it's not like a meth or heroin,
all that stuff.
Um, I don't hear very manypeople murdering about cocaine
Stephanie (50:56):
unless they're a dealer or a distributor, right?
No.
Not just a, not an recreationaluser.
No.
Or
Dani (51:03):
even an addicted cocaine user.
Stephanie (51:06):
I was just like, really, dude?
No.
Very young.
Should, shouldn't have been.
And once again, there's so manyop we, we've heard this so many
times where someone could havejust robbed someone and the
outcome of you robbing, even ifyou get caught, if someone is
able to remember you, is so muchless than getting a murderer.
(51:27):
So if you needed a thousandbucks and the silver coins, you
might have been able to escapeand.
Sometimes live for 10, 20 years.
Right?
'cause the police are notfollowing you and searching for
you like a manhunt for arobbery.
Dani (51:41):
No.
Those, those kids are lookingfor your gun
Stephanie (51:44):
instead of a murder though.
Yeah.
Then every freaking police forceis gonna be out for you.
Yeah.
Dani (51:50):
Especially in that you could have got
Stephanie (51:51):
10 years, 20 years maybe, who knows?
Like, and
Dani (51:53):
could have fixed your li you could have been out by the
time you were 30 and had a li.
You could have went and educatedyourself while you were in
prison.
You could
Stephanie (52:00):
have been a paralegal.
Dani (52:02):
That's a popular thing.
And then you know, you get out,you learn your lesson.
'cause you were so young.
Don't be murdering stop.
I mean, you really shouldn'trob, Rob.
I, I imagine if I got held up atgunpoint, I would have, it would
be a traumatic experience.
I would be scared.
I would have a lot of like,trauma, but I would not be dead.
(52:25):
Yes.
Stephanie (52:26):
I would not be dead.
And I'm, I'm sure most peoplewould be like, if, if you're a
business owner.
A thousand bucks.
Give it, what do we do with in,in loss from stealing or from
rotten product or expiredproduct?
A thousand dollars.
Right.
I think most people are willingto part with that for their
lives.
Oh, I don't think, but it soundslike this dude, wasn't he?
(52:50):
I think he thought about notdoing it, but then was just
like, fuck it, I gotta be,
Dani (52:56):
and I do think that there was a struggle over that gun.
Mm-hmm.
And whether he pulled thetrigger or accidentally went
off, I think that changed.
Stephanie (53:05):
Yeah.
All of his decisions.
'cause now you've already kindof crossed that threshold.
It's done.
Dani (53:10):
Yeah.
Because you should not be havinga loaded fucking weapon.
Well, A, you a never rob.
B.
Do not do a firearm.
Not take a fucking loaded gunanywhere where you're not
expecting to shoot somebodybecause it doesn't take much to
pull a trigger.
Stephanie (53:25):
Well, and even if you don't shoot anyone, if you do a
crime like this.
In addition to having a weapon,that's what gets you the big
time as well.
Big time.
So anyway, again, dumb criminalsall over the place, many common
themes that we've alreadydiscussed in previous episodes
(53:47):
and of fucking he, this is aperson that's still rotting more
than half of their life in jail.
Don't do drugs, guys.
Stop it.
So that's all I got, sis.
Thank you Danny, for anothergreat Idaho story.
follow us on TikTok, Instagram,Listen anywhere you can, if
(54:09):
you've got questions, comments,concerns, whatever you want to
type to us, you just wanna sayhello, reach out the lethal
library@gmail.com and.
Look at our
Dani (54:19):
tiktoks.
Stephanie (54:20):
Yes, we have new ones.
We've been slacking, we've beenfun.
We've had some sickness lately,especially me.
I'm sorry.
We're slacking a little bit,especially on the social media
front, but we'll be there.
Dani (54:31):
Friendly reminder, because we have a summer we're gonna be
doing every other week
Stephanie (54:37):
Yes.
Dani (54:37):
so, and then in the fall we will be back at it.
But you know, we got riding and.
Cabining and fishing the sun isout to do.
And uh, you know, we, we bothwork full-time jobs and this is
our little extra, and we justhave to have some extra, extra
(54:58):
in the summer with some sunshineand fun activities.
So.
Stephanie (55:02):
A hundred percent.
So we're still here.
You guys can still reach out.
We'll still try to keep thetiktoks and everything going,
but, um, every other week,starting soon.
Um, Kim Fest, keep an eye out.
That is June 21st.
It's a great event.
Great cause, you'll hear moreabout that in the upcoming
episodes as well, but pleasefollow them and.
(55:23):
Overall, Danny, thank you.
And ten four.
Rob Ducky.
Fuck yess.
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