34. A Deadly Delay: The Rodgers Case Uncovered

Dani and Stephanie dive into another wild true crime tale straight out of Boise, Idaho. In this episode, they talk about the troubling and grisly murder of Preston Murr in the summer of 1987. Dubbed the 'Chop Chop House,' this case is notorious for its disturbing details: dispatch blunders, dismembered remains, and a convicted killer who somehow became a foster dad. Listeners will learn about a failed police response, a house full of drugs, and body parts floating down the Snake River. The hosts share detailed witness testimonies, including Rogers' laughable attempt at a defense, and how the case finally closed with a life sentence. Spoiler: It's as convoluted and jaw-dropping as it sounds!

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Episode Transcript

(00:30):
All right, everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Lethal Library.
I'm Stephanie.
And I'm Danny.
And we are here to tell youanother true crime tale straight
outta Idaho.
But first, just some updates foryou guys.
One, apologies that this episodeis out a bit late.
We had some sound issues, so wehad a part.
We have to rerecord this part.

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so thanks for your patience onthat.
So we'll be releasing thistonight and then after this, we
are going to take about a threeweek hiatus.
we've got some end of summerplans and just kind of trying to
finish the summer out strong.
We hope that you are having anamazing summer as well.
so we will be back, our nextepisode will be September 15th

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on a Monday.
So keep an eye out.
we might release some tiktoksand stuff in the meantime, but
we will see you on the otherside.
So without further ado, Danny,what are we in store for today?
Boise, Idaho, summer of 87.
While the city's foothills weregoing up in flames, police got a

(01:35):
nine one one call about a bloodybrawl on West Lindon Street.
Dispatches response, eh?
We're busy.
Yeah.
By the time anyone decided maybea bloody street fight was worth
looking into, it was eight inthe morning.
Yikes.

(01:55):
When the police finally showedup.
They followed a bloody trailright to the porch of Daniel and
Catherine Rogers.
The couple swore they knewnothing, but the police weren't
buying it.
I bet.
And that was before body partsstarted floating down the Snake
River.
Oh my gosh.
Another one of those, thesefishermen.

(02:19):
It.
That has been how so many peoplehave been found.
These fishermen are going intothese remote areas looking for
that great fishing hole, and forsome reason that's where the
body parts like to gather too.
This is the story of PrestonMurr, a young man who got caught
in the cross hairs of a grudgeover stolen drugs and cash, and

(02:43):
of the convicted murderer andhis sidekick.
It's a tale of botch dispatchcalls dismembered remains, and a
killer who somehow became afoster dad before going back to
prison for life.
Wow, that's a crazy one.
How do we get there?
How do we get there?
I just wanted to tell you that Idid all of this research.

(03:07):
Mm-hmm.
And then I'm a newspaper galley.
Mm-hmm.
I'm gonna go, I'm readingarticles straight out of the
newspaper, but at the end of myresearch I always go, just hit
the WWW and just see if there'sanything out there.
This is the story of the chopchop house.

(03:28):
Oh my gosh.
And I know we've had peoplerequest this.
I remember someone specificallyrequested this, so if you're
listening, here you go.
But that's exciting.
I feel like we're gonna have a,you're gonna have fresh
perspective on it.
I hope so.
I think, I think you'll do justfine.
Sources used today are articlesfrom the Idaho Statesmen.

(03:49):
Love You and findlaw.com.
Nice.
Okay.
Ready to get into some chop chophouse.
Let's go.

Dani (03:58):
On June 30th, around 1230 in the morning, Boise police
dispatchers received a nine oneone call about a fight between
two people at Leadville Avenueand West Lindon Street.
The caller, Clinton Sparksreported seeing blood and that
there was something still goingon across the street from his
house.

(04:19):
He's like, I'm not going outthere, but I'm letting you know
there's some shit going down.
Yeah, danger, danger.
40 minutes after that nine oneone call was made.
A police officer was finallydispatched, but declined the
call.
Oh, the Boise Foothills were onfire that night and the officer
was working the fire.

(04:41):
It was one of the largest inhistory at that time.
So.
Yeah.
The police were up thereblocking streets off.
Yes.
And doing things, maybeescorting people.
Right.
So he's just like, no, you needto call somebody else.
I cannot get away.
Yeah.
I'm in the thick of it.
Understandable.
In the thick of it.
And just so you guys know, thefoothills area is like butted up

(05:03):
against Boise and there arehouses there and it's very
close.
Like it's dry, it's high desert.
This is something where when itcatches, it moves fast.
You're having tall grass andsagebrush and it is a burning
bitch.
Yes.
And so it can move very fast.
It's very dangerous to thefirefighters and everyone
working.
So it's serious when thefoothills are a flame.
Yes.

(05:26):
And a lot of it, well there'sidiot.
We've had some bad fireworksones'cause let's go to the
desert and some fireworks.
But a lot of it is lightningcaused up there.
Mm-hmm.
But you still have idiots.
So, uh, when that officerdeclined the call, the
dispatchers didn't send anotherofficer to take his place.

Stephanie (05:43):
Whoopsie.

Dani (05:45):
But a dutiful neighbor called again at 8:00 AM Hello.
And police are finallydispatched to 8 0 5 West Lindon
Street.
Oh man.
At 8:00 AM And this area'slocated off of Federal way close
to Ivy Wild Park.
So it's okay.
Bench, right?
Yeah, bench.
Yeah, I think so.

(06:05):
Correct us if I'm wrong.
I think that's right.
Please had a conversation aboutthat today.
And I, what's bench, what's notbench?
People are very specific aboutwhat you call their area, like
Garden City.
Don't you dare call that Boise.
And it's like, it's nice.
You should just, you shouldprobably take Boise actually.
It's coming up.

(06:25):
There's also some nice, it's nota bad, it is not a bad scary
area, but there's some reallynice homes along the river down
there.
Incredibly nice.
And it is, it is coming up aswell.
Yeah.
So we were like, oh my gosh,garden City's so scary.
I'm like, have you been like,it's not eight mile.
Okay, this is Idaho and peoplewanna say the same thing about

(06:46):
Nampa and Caldwell.
And I'm like, really?
Really?
It, it is still Idaho.
It is still Idaho.
There's the, you need to calmdown.
Calm down.
When the police arrived onLynden Street, they saw blood.

(07:08):
It was in the street.
And this led'em, they followedthe trail.
This led them up to, the porchwhile waiting for a warrant.
The homeowners, Daniel andCatherine Rogers came home.
Oh, where were y'all at?
They insisted they didn't knowanything about a fight and was

(07:29):
not home last night.
Yeah.
Police, we weren't home.
Who was bleeding all over myporch.
We do need to find them'causewho's gonna fix all this blood?
Police weren't buying it.
And they're like, no.
So they got their warrant andentered the home.
Once inside, they found moreblood.

(07:49):
Oh, splattered.
On the basement door and just 13pounds of marijuana.
The ana, oh man.
Still legal in Idaho.
Could they not have gone inthere before they got the
warrant and tried to maybe putthem somewhere.
Start flushing.
You got two toilets in thathouse.

(08:10):
Flush.
Flush.
I've had a bad taco bell, soyou're going to hear some flush.
Sorry.
Whoopsie.
What was it?
Just sitting on the coffeetable.
What the fuck?
Authorities also located severalbullet holes.
Oh no.
In walls and a gun.

(08:31):
The pair was arrested forpossession of a controlled
substance with the intent todeliver 13 pounds.
Bitch, don't play.
That's not for personal use.
Okay, my habit.
No, sir.
You don't even understand myhabit.
If you were Willie Nelson, maybedon't try to pull that shit.
Mm-hmm.
No, I just share it with myfriends.

(08:54):
I have glaucoma authoritiesdidn't know who the blood
belonged to, but it was enoughthat they thought someone had
died from the blood loss.
That is a concerning amount.
This isn't a whoopsie.
I was chopping veggies and cut alittle bit of my thumb off.

(09:15):
No, and you have bullet holes,13 one pound packages.
So it was wrapped up nice andtight to, and can, can I just
say you are so lucky that theoriginal officer didn't show up
at 12:30 AM.
What were y'all doing in themeantime?

(09:35):
You had eight, seven and a halfhours to put your 13 pounds of
weed somewhere else.
Maybe clean something up, putsome pictures over the bullet
holes in the wall.
This is drugs.
Because you could have evensaid, Hey y'all, you, you don't
need a warrant.
Just come do a quickwalkthrough.
No one's here.
Everything's fine.
But no.

(09:55):
What?
Where the fuck were you?
Well, they were getting home at8:00 AM they were busy.
Uh, I think by the time thatthey arrived home, it was
actually more around noon.
Oh my God.
And then you're gonna hear alittle bit about this later in
the story.
but I don't think they got thewarrant, if I recall, until like

(10:17):
2:00 PM Yeah, it was a lotslower then.
I mean, we're working on likelandline phones and shit.
Yeah.
Radio.
Gotta call a judge.
Yeah, a warrant.
And the judge doesn't have acell phone on him right now.
So it's like, I was out, I washaving breakfast with the boys,
it's my golfing day.
What the fuck?

(10:42):
So that was just a littlefriendly reminder.
That was on June 30th.
Okay.
On July 3rd, a fisherman was outon the Snake River at Brownley
Reservoir in Washington County,about 20 miles northwest of
Weezer, Idaho.
He was looking for the perfectspot to throw in a line.

(11:05):
It was 4th of July weekend.
He's enjoying.
He's like, I got days off.
Let's go.
We're getting on the riverbitch.
Let's pack up.
Hey wifey, let's make a littlepicnic all the kids up, honey,
grab some beers, somesandwiches.
Let's fucking get some bologna.
Let's go.
So he was, he was looking forthat perfect spot.

(11:25):
Yeah.
And he spotted something odd wasnot the perfect spot.
Not he walked towards the objectand once upon it, he realized it
was part of a human torso.
A torso.
I mean, finding any body part.
But I feel like that's extrashocking because there's no

(11:48):
explaining that like, oh,someone had a boat accident,
lost a, can I just emphasize?
Tell me it was part of a humantorso.
Oh, no one wants to see that.
I know last week we said we'renot gonna get into nitty gritty
details this week.
It's a huge part of the story.
So, uh.
Brutal.
Very brutal.

(12:10):
The man went back to his familywhere his wife was preparing
lunch, just having a greatfreaking 4th of July weekend and
loaded, Hey fam, get in thefucking, get in the fuck.
Get in the fucking car in theboat.
Get in the fucking car.
She's like, what?
She's like halfway.
I could just picture, she'slike, I've spent, I've made a

(12:31):
really good fucking sandwich forthis whole family.
Do you not see how much time Ispent on this tuna salad
sandwich?
I was up this morning boilingeggs.
It is your favorite and youspecifically requested it, and
now it's, fuck me.
Now it's, fuck me.
We're, we're getting in the car.
Can I at least clean up?
Can I at least put in we, I canput it back in the cooler.

(12:52):
I can put it in.
It's a go bag.
Get in the fucking car, Linda.
We gotta go.
He took his family and theyheaded to Weezer to find the
sheriff.
What, how.
What a way to ruin a greatfamily outing.
I'm, I'm just pissed at thewhole circumstance of like, and
that poor family, every 4th ofJuly has to think about.
Right?
Remember that one time when dadcame back and he said, get in

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the car.
And it was'cause there was abody.
Remember that traumatizingeveryone.
My dad found a, a torso out inthe fucking sagebrush and I
never got to have my tunasandwich.
This is my favorite.
Poor little Johnny was like, andLinda's still pissed.
'cause you know, they were alltraumatized that that tuna
sandwich thrown away.

(13:37):
It was never utilized.
It's no longer the favorite inthe fa No, they went, they went
to chicken salad after this kindof close.
Maybe they just went to like anice Turkey.
Turkey.
Turkey cheese.
Yeah, Turkey cheese, sand.
Okay.
You can't fill with a Turkeycheese.
The next day, Washington Countysheriff officers along with a
Boise Police Department.

(13:59):
Discovered the legs, arms, ohno.
And upper torso.
One mile downstream.
That is honestly crazy that theyare 20 miles right down in the
river from, they're 20 milesfrom Weezer.
So Brownley.
It's right on the border.
Yeah.
So yes, you're right, they'redown.
But that they found all of theseparts, not, not everything.

(14:22):
It doesn't sound like, is itevery part of the body that they
found?
Oh gosh.
It's coming.
Sorry, I'm skipping ahead guys.
Slow down stuff.
My brain's going a hundred milesan hour.
On the third day, authoritiesfound ahead in some sage brush
by the river.
All of the body parts werediscovered, with the exception
of some fingers.

(14:44):
That is crazy.
Look, the Snake River is abrutal bitch.
She has a lot of undercurrent.
I think we've even talked aboutthis before.
They failed if they found themurderers, the disposal people
failed if they found everything.

(15:06):
But some fingers.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because just even getting stuckin, there's so much brush that
can, and logs and undercurrentand, and stuff that you cannot
get
to unless you're on around.
People die in that river everyyear.
Every year we have somebody diein the snake because it looks,
it's a, it looks calm.
It's very wide, it looks calm.

(15:27):
There's a lot of under toes inthere.
And getting stuck in those treesand stuff on the side.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Mm-hmm.
but also, you fucking, whyaren't we weighing it down or
something?
Come on.
Why are you leaving?
It just in the sagebrush.
We're just tossing
it
anyways.
They suck.

(15:48):
They're not good at their job.
Absolutely stupid.
Thank God.
But, and it took them that long.
They had so much time and ittook'em this long to do that and
they couldn't even clean uptheir house to at least hide the
drugs.
'cause even if you've cleaned upgood enough where they don't
know a murder happened, whatabout the 13 pounds of weed on
the coffee table?

(16:08):
Can we just put that away?
Fucking God, babe.
You think you can drive thatover to your mom's?
Yeah.
Hey, what about our friendJames?
He'd hold it for us.
You don't think he'd smoke toomuch, right?
Let him, let him have a bowl ortwo.
Coroner, Irwin Sonenberg said itwas, quote, the most gruesome

(16:29):
murder in my experience.
That's saying something.
The coroner did not know whenthe murder occurred, but is
believed to have happened inBoise.
They're on these fuckers.
Yeah, they're stupid.
This is ridiculously justterrible.

(16:50):
Did they think of anything?
No.
Like not even the blood.
There's a trail of blood leadingto your house, trail of blood in
your house.
If you at least cleaned yourhouse, you could say, oh,
someone must have been hurt andtried knocking on our door and
left.
They must have just tried tobeen getting help.
They probably went that way,officer.
We weren't home.
Yeah.

(17:10):
Oh, whoops.
Well, let me tell you a littlebit about the victim, Preston
Murr and about his, let's hearabout Preston.
Preston Murr had attended afuneral on June 29th.
Okay.
I'm unsure who it was for.
I could not find that close tohim.
After the services, Preston anda few others from the funeral,

(17:31):
like got their drink on as youdo, got a little ratty, a little
out of control, little cheers toour dearly departed.
A small fight broke out and thepolice were called up.
Mur and the other two involvedwere cited by Boise Police for
disorderly contact.
They were taking it too far.
Yeah.
They're like, get your shittogether.

(17:51):
Right.
I get you're sad.
Good morning.
Lay off the drink.
They probably gave him a break.
It was probably, he's probablyfighting with his cousins.
Yeah.
You know how that goes.
Oh yeah.
Family emotions running high.
Preston went back to hissister's house where he had
recently been staying along withhis girlfriend.
Carla Preston later called thepolice and said that someone

(18:13):
called him and threatened tokill him.
Oh.
Preston called Daniel Rogers toask him if he knew who would be
threatening him.
Oh, buddy.
I'm getting calls and he'sobviously inebriated, like he's,
yeah, maybe he sobered up alittle bit, but he, he came home

(18:34):
and I, I don't know the dates.
Well, and this is before callerID or anything.
No, you have no fucking ideawho's calling you.
That's when you could be asneaky ass bitch.
Just, there's no way to find outwho is calling you.
No.
So Daniel Rogers was anacquaintance of his, he'd known
him for a couple months.
I was like, yo, bro, I justtalked call.
Do you know somebody that wouldbe like threatening me?

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And then Preston left the house.
Okay.
So that was the 29th.
On July 1st, two days later,girlfriend Carla called Tanya
Preston's sister, where they hadbeen staying.
And told her quote, I think yourbrother is dead.

(19:18):
Oh.
And TA was out of town visitingher husband while he was working
in Klamath Falls, Oregon.
And Tanya was like, well, cominghome, well, what am I supposed
to do?
I'm coming home right now.
Oh, how scary.
'cause this is, this is the July1st, so she literally hasn't
seen him for over a day.
Mm-hmm.
So she's trying not to beoverdramatic, but if there's

(19:40):
been things that happened thatwould you, she's like, mm.
You have that feeling, you haveto say something.
I don't know how long I wouldwait.
Like I don't wanna be like thedrama girlfriend.
Exactly.
But he's not home.
Okay.
If he's not home by morning, I'mgonna call his sister.
I just an Amanda, I would belike, that's always a thing.

(20:00):
A thing.
Yeah.
You don't wanna be overdramatic.
And he's like, yo, I was just atmy buddy Tony's house or
something like, why are youcalling my sister saying I'm
missing?
You know?
Right.
Mm-hmm.
You're doing all of that.
Yeah, that's what I think.
We've all probably done thatbefore.
And that's what's going on inyour head when that happens?
No, I've had it with me and likeif Rick, one time Rick and I, I

(20:24):
misunderstood what he said and Ithought that he was gonna be
home and then he didn't comehome and then he didn't answer
his phone and I was extremelyworried to the point where I
called where I thought that hewas.
And then I went to the house tobe like, if they, he just said
they're just outside and thenthey weren't there.
And I found out through the ringcamera, I did not understand
like what he said he was doing.

(20:45):
I thought he was at one placeand he was at another.
And anyway, it was resolved, butit was one of those, you're
trying not things where you feelthat in your gut and you're
like, what if I don't dosomething right?
And then it is somethingserious.
So I would rather go and be likea little bit of a weirdo and be
like, Hey, sorry to show up atyour house, but I, you just have
that feeling.
Yeah.

(21:06):
So Carla was hanging onto it.
I feel bad for her because sheprobably didn't wanna freak out
his sister.
She was out of town visitingwith her kids.
Mm-hmm.
Her husband, she doesn't wannabe causing drama, so she's like,
okay, today I'm causing drama.
First thing.
But for her to say, I think yourbrother is dead.

(21:26):
Yeah.
She knew there had to be thingsthat she knew about their
conversations, that it wasenough to be like, this can't
just be a fluke.
While sitting in jail on drugcharges, Daniel Edward Rogers
age 37, was arrested and chargedwith first degree murder.

(21:51):
Of Preston Murr.
Mm.
Police also charge Darren Jimal.
Cox.
I might not be saying thatright?
It's J-I-M-E-L.
Good try.
In my opinion.
Maybe it's Yael like Jimal.
Jimal.
We're gonna say Jimal.
Okay.
Cox.
Age 31 with first degree murderby aiding and abetting Rogers

(22:15):
and Preston's murder Ro.
And I was unable to locateanything of note for Darren Cox,
but I did for Rogers.
Hmm.
In previous life in Vallejo,California in 1977, Rogers 27 at

(22:38):
the time was convicted of seconddegree murder.
No.
Yes.
We gotta, I'm telling you, wegot double downer.
We have got to fix this seconddegree murder because there are
so many cases where people justget next to fucking nothing.
Oh, tell me about this fuckingsecond degree murderer.

(22:58):
The victim, George Weatherwax,age 24 was found dead on the
side of the road.
And I think it was kind of likea, a highway freeway Sure.
Kind of thing.
I mean, I don't know a lot aboutVallejo val, the way it was like
a, there was a certain word thatthey used for it, and it's not

(23:19):
coming to me now, but it waslike an expressway.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, okay.
That was the word I was lookingfor.
It's very nice.
Fancy dug deep.
we don't have expressways here.
We don't, we have a connector.
We barely have paved roads inrunning like water.
I know it's Idaho guys, did youcollect your rain water today?

(23:40):
Stuff?
I, it's been so dry.
We haven't had a trouble.
I know.
he was found out on the side ofthe road.
He had been shot in the headexecution style.
Oh.
Police said drugs were involved.
George had been shot a total offour times, but he still had

(24:00):
several hundred dollars on himand some checks, which back in
the day check was easy.
Breez Oh, you could check wasbasically cash.
You could go to the fricking IGAanywhere.
just sign away.
Boom.
As a child you could take acheck as a child and they're
like, this must be from yourmommy with a cigarette.
No.
Yeah.

(24:20):
So Brasfield Mommy also wants apack of Marl Bros.
Do you remember Brassfield?
Did you live by there?
No.
Mm-hmm.
So Brassfield was right acrossthe street from, so.
12th and Dewey.
Okay.
they had burger King.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brassfield and then like theKeystone Pizza.

(24:41):
I remember the Keystone.
So it was the gas station thatwas the local gas station for
me.
So my mama sent me down therewith the, with the note.
Yeah.
Mom gave me the note.
Alright sweetie, I You get someloser and cough drops and a pack
of cigarettes, please.
They, it was a normal thing.
Yeah, it was.
It was.

(25:02):
so yeah, George hadn't beenrobbed.
That's, that's what the police,which is interesting with a few
hundred in the eighties.
Right.
Or se this is seventies, I think77.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good money.
Yeah.
this is so sad though.
George's brother saw him lyingin the road on his way to work

(25:24):
surrounded by police.
No.
Can you believe that?
And he thought it was him.
Yeah.
So, Rogers and his youngerbrother were charged in the
crime, but Rogers said he didit.
He killed George Little and pledguilty to second degree murder

(25:46):
something.
He did it to save his youngerbrother from going to prison.
I also, I think hes, I, I can'tremember if I say this later.
I think he served five years.

(26:07):
That is so ridiculous.
And we don't know all thedetails of this case, but
shooting someone execution styledoes not indicate self-defense.
No, it was four shots, fuckingdrugs and purposeful.
Mm-hmm.
This isn't like I was runningand fighting and I had to five
years.

(26:28):
I think that's where we endedup.
Yeah.
Some people get three years forsecond degree murder.
Yeah.
And then they get out on goodbehavior after one.
I just cannot believe that thisshit happens.
And second degree murder pissesme off in the most part.
So, so much more than a lot oflike the death row cases and

(26:51):
stuff because you see whenpeople come back or do terrible
things or just, even if theydon't do anything terrible, how,
how terrible for the brotherthat had to see him on the road
on his way to work and thinksomeone got to spend three years
of their life in jail.
Three years goes by fast.
Especially once you get hit yourthirties and everything that
goes by very fast.

(27:11):
It's like, I'm gonna get aneducation and I'm gonna get out.
Yeah.
Right.
Maybe some participate.
Make me some bros.
Yeah.
Learn how to do crimes better,because li listen, they're not
rehabilitating these people.
You're making connections withother criminals that you can
coordinate with.
How do you think he got 13fucking pounds of marijuana in

(27:32):
Idaho?
Idaho?
Yeah.
Probably his homie he met infucking jail.
Oh, this pisses me off so bad.
So, just my, if I'm wrong on thefive year, but it was a short
time.
I think it was five years.
I didn't, I can't believe Ididn't write that down.
Anything less than like 15 yearswas just a complete slap in the
face.
Well, this is only 10 yearslater that this is all
happening.
Yeah.
What the hell?
It's like, I gotta get out ofVallejo, man.

(27:55):
let's go, let's, let's go toBoise.
Can't get in any trouble there.
Be big time kingpin.
I also discovered that afterbeing a convicted murderer.
Rogers and his wife were fosterparents for three teenage boys
over a 15 month period untilJanuary 9th, 1987.

(28:17):
And people are pissed when theyfind out about this.
I don't see how anyone couldn'tbe pissed.
Like what, what else, what,what's the line of do you have
to be convicted of sexuallyabusing not just one, but maybe
five kids or more?
Let me tell you.
Oh my god, Danny, I'm gonnashake my microphone again.

(28:38):
So this is in the newseverywhere, right?
People are pissed.
state officials blame the FBIfor not finding Roger's prison
record when he applied for afoster care license in October
of 1985.
And I thought it was a littleweird, let me tell you.
'cause he's, he was 37 ishright?

(28:59):
When all this was going down andI thought.
Why is he having teenage boys?
But I forget, back in the day wewere having kids at 20.
Right.
So he had a teenage son at thetime.
Okay.
So it, it didn't make sense asfar as he wasn't being like
creepy.
Like, Ooh, teenage.

(29:19):
I did not get that vibe at all.
'cause I was like, why notfucking you having boys in your
house?
He had a teenage son.
So just, but they can't look atother records and states, there
was no complaints from the boysabout their state.
Yeah.
They probably got as much weedas they want.
Yo, my foster dad, you wanna buysome, they're probably selling

(29:41):
it, making their own business atschool.
They got a great hookup.
They are being entrepreneurs,so.
Yeah.
Well, and let's be clear ify'all, if people are involved in
this, and maybe if you, if youguys wanna disagree with me, let
me know.
But if you are involved in likethe drug dealing life and the

(30:04):
criminal life and you're tryingto get foster kids, I find it
incredibly hard to believe thatyou want to foster children.
I find it very easy to believethat this is a guaranteed check
that you can get every month,and you can choose to do it how
you want.
So you can choose how much youwanna spend on food and
whatever, and whatever else.
It's, it's a businessopportunity where you can turn

(30:25):
it into profit and it's aguaranteed check every month.
That's my opinion.
And you can, they can selljoints to their buddies at
school.
It's a burgeoning enterprise ofamazingness.
We're, we're taking over Boise.
Here's your, um, trail money.

(30:46):
Uh, I'm gonna give you twojoints.
I'm gonna need at least five newcustomers this week.
Allowance.
That was the big word I waslooking for.
Jesus.
We go, here's your allowance.
I'm gonna give you two joints.
It's your choice whether youwanna smoke'em or smoke'em or
sell'em.
Sell'em to your buddy and youcan go down and buy some new
shoes.
Yeah.
You want some business acumen?
Let's, I'll tell you how to be adrug dealer.
Yeah.

(31:07):
And if you do good.
If you wanna buy more from me,if you decide to, then I'll give
you four joints for yourallowance.
Yeah.
And then you can choose to smokeone.
No fronts.
No fronts.
Never front to a preteen.
Everyone knows that.
I'm just kidding, but I'm justlike imagining this fucking
conversation.
Okay.
God.
Woo.
We get off.
Okay, here we go.

(31:29):
A health and welfare employeevisited the home three times in
that 15 months and did not findanything unusual.
What?
They didn't have the marijuanaon the fucking coffee table in
the front room.
There wasn't a concerning amountof blood to the point where
you're like, someone definitelydied here.
So they were like every, allgood.

(31:49):
They were probably scheduled,they're probably like.
Boys.
You cannot smoke pot in thehouse today.
You have to go outside in thebackyard, but keep a mindful
life for a state vehicle pullingup.
You put that shit out, go brushyour teeth, go sit in your room
like good little boys.
Put on your polo.

(32:11):
Yes.
Tell them about your academicstudies.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
If they had ax back then ax itup.
Well, and here's a, it was adifferent time.
It was so, unless a kid waslooking beat to hell, starved
beat to hell and starvedvisibly.
yeah.
And Catherine probably kept atidy house.

(32:31):
Mm-hmm.
You have to, you cannot berunning a drug house.
You have visitors unexpectedlyall the time.
Yeah.
Gotta keep it mindful.
Good lord.
so the application to become afoster parent.
Do you have a heartbeat?
Yeah, pretty much.

(32:52):
it requires three personalreferences.
yo I know.
Remember last week, I, I soldyou that, that pound of weed.
Listen, I'm gonna have, So don'tfreak out.
But the state's gonna call youand you don't need to worry.
They're not gonna come by.
You just need to tell'em thatI'm an awesome dad, very

(33:15):
involved, and that our house isclean and that you vouch for me.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw in afree joint on your next
purchase.
Yeah, that's good.
And maybe, you know what?
Free delivery as well.
You don't even have to come tome.
I'll bring it to you.
I'll even swing by, I'll evenswing by, I'll come to you.
so the three personalreferences.

(33:36):
A health history,'cause godforbid, you know, anyway, an
employment background.
You got a job, motherfucker.
He probably didn't anyway.
his social security number and abirthdate.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's all you need to be, dude.
McDonald's requires more, more,but it also asks three specific

(33:58):
questions.
And this is where, this is wherehe did not lie.
They didn't lie.
The questions are if they hadever been convicted of a crime
that involves children.
Whether they have been involvedin marriage counseling or
treatment of child abuse.

(34:18):
Look, the marriage counseling isa super big red flag, not
murder.
We don't need to ask aboutmurder.
Yeah.
God forbid you went tocounseling for your marriage.
okay, so the marriagecounseling, treatment of child
abuse, alcoholism, or other,just other problems.
Do you have any other, do youhave problems?
Other problems?
No.
You're approved.

(34:40):
The application is thenforwarded to the State Attorney
General, then to the IdahoDepartment of Law Enforcement to
determine if they have anycriminal record with the state.
With this state, correct.
But then, oh my God, theyforwarded on to the NCIC, which

(35:00):
is the FBI's National CrimeInformation Center, which that
gives me, that makes me feellike, okay, at least.
Someone, FBI had so much morereach and so that that
department is responsible foralerting state officials.
If an applicant has a record inother states, they're the body

(35:22):
that's able to do that becausethey technology could not do
that at the time.
N nothing FBII am so fucking,and it just, it just goes to
show, I mean, kids still slipthrough the cracks nowadays,
even with the advancements oftechnology and everything.
But especially back then, peopledidn't even think of kids as

(35:46):
people like, oh no, Uhuh.
They did not give a fuck.
It was a thing like, unless Isee you abusing a child in front
of me.
Yeah, we're gonna give you 15foster kids.
Yeah.
Just don't ever be abusing achild in front of my eyeballs.
And if you're gonna do that, letme know that so I can turn away.
But I will say one good thingthat came about because of all

(36:07):
this and there was publicoutrage.
Outcry.
Yeah, yeah.
this news causes the IdahoHealth and Welfare Department to
beef up their background checks,beef it up by requiring
fingerprints going forward toanyone who contracts with the
department to care for kids instate custody.

(36:27):
That it, it's, it's progress.
And especially back then, that'sa big step.
People were pissed.
God, the unbelievable, you havea convicted murderer taking care
of what the fuck.
And I know that they're not anupstanding, like I could
understand if, maybe you couldexplain that away.
And now you are a youth groupleader, or you're literally a

(36:53):
kid's softball coach, or you'veproven all these things.
You're in to charities andyou're doing all these things
and so you're like, you canprove it.
these people were not doing thatshit, that 13 pounds of
marijuana.
Okay.
sheriff von Colleen admitted thedispatcher committed an out and

(37:13):
out blunder.
He said A blunder, a fuckingblunder.
That is so, like, we're not inthe fifties.
We had a little bit of ablunder.
He said, we screwed up.
He did.
He said, we screwed up.
I mean, good that you'readmitting it and not trying to,
because I hear that way toooften where they try to explain
it away and he does a littleexplaining.

(37:35):
Okay.
He said, dispatchers were undera lot of pressure that morning.
Sure.
A large fire in the Boisefoothills was being fought and
the nine dispatchers working.
Were trying to coordinatefirefighters, police and
paramedics.
Okay.
Still now we see theconsequences.
It could have been a crime that,it was just an argument that

(37:56):
neighbors were freaking outabout and nothing happened.
But it wasn't this time.
Unfortunately, two dispatchersare later suspended without pay
for their failure to dispatchBoise Police.
And that's more than I said, fora lot of shit.
One was suspended for 30 hours,the other one for 40 hours.
It was probably a week.
They probably had like a, theygot suspended for a week.

(38:17):
Not I, I mean, and it could havebeen, you can't place all of the
onus on them.
Like, no.
Where was your supervisor?
so yeah.
So at least he said, yeah, wefucked it up.
It was an out and out blunder.
Yeah.
in October, Rogers and Cox'spublic Defenders asked for

(38:41):
fourth district Judge RobertNewhouse to be disqualified from
the case.
Oh.
And it's granted we've hadnewhouse.
What was the reason?
ADA County prosecutor Greg Bowersaid.
Quote, Newhouse has shown aninclination to use the death
penalty, and I think they wantsomebody with a little less

(39:02):
still in their back.
This was the, this was the timewhere this was it.
Like, I, death penalty, deathpenalty.
Death penalty.
And to be in that time Sonotorious for it.
Yeah.
When everyone was kind of doingit.
Yeah.
It was kind of the thing.
You were doing it too much.
Yeah.
But yeah, let your foot off thegas a little bit there.

(39:23):
Lemme give you some,shoplifting, death penalty.

Blank (39:27):
Pretty

Dani (39:27):
much.
Uh, the new judge assigned isfourth district Judge George
Care.
Hey, Georgie.
Finally in late October, I don'teven know how this fucking
works.
Rogers and Cox enter their notguilty plea Trial is set for
February next year.
Attorneys Emil M and John Adamshave asked for the trials.

(39:53):
To be split.
And they're Roger's attorneys.
judge Carey agrees to separatethe cases, but the rec, the
request for a change of venue isdenied.

Blank (40:04):
Hmm.

Dani (40:05):
Rolfe Keen seen him before.
Cox's attorney asked the judgejust to dismiss the charges
against him for insufficient.
You gotta try it.
It's your job is you never know.
Sometimes it happens.
March 7th.
1988 Roger's trial begins, andthe first thing that happens,

(40:27):
not exactly the first thing, butvery close to the first thing.
First big thing, defenseattorney m asked for a mistrial
because during openingstatements, ADA County
prosecutor told the jurors thatRogers was already in police
custody on other charges when hewas arrested for the murder of

(40:47):
Preston.
Whoopsie, get our dates mixed upor something.
Isha said that it had alreadybeen agreed in pre-trial
motions, that other pendingcharges would not be brought up
during the trial.
He said Bower clearly violatedthe court's ruling and forever
tainted the jury panel.

(41:09):
And Judge Carey said, suck itanyway.
Anyway, I mean, kudo way tofight for your client.
Let's move, let's move forward.
And it helps not have amistrial.
So I know some people get reallypissed when people are like, why
would you say to dismiss it?
Look at all this evidence.
It's their job.
Yeah.
And them checking that box andproving that they're doing,

(41:32):
pulling every tool they mighthave helps not have a mistrial
or like a appeal where it's likethey could have done this and
they never did.
So now we'll never know.
So yes, defense.
Pull all of your special tricks.
So Prosecutor Bauer told thejudge he only made reference to
Roger's arrest because heplanned to point out that Rogers

(41:56):
would have had to have disposeof Preston's body before 3:00 PM
on June 30th when he wasarrested on other charges.
Okay.
So he had a reason and judge carlike hi.
He said, judge, I did myhomework.
I think you'll agree with me onthis.
So I'm gonna give you a lot oftidbits of testimony.

(42:20):
I love a good tidbit.
Not in super detail, but justlike this is happening.
Well,'cause we know how, howtestimony goes.
Sometimes the questioning is sobasic for like 15 minutes.
Who are you?
What, how do you apply to thiscase?
I'm just gonna break it down tothe good juicy parts.
Give us the juicies neighbors ofRogers testified.

(42:41):
They heard a disturbance outsideon June 29th, 87.
Clinton Sparks.
Remember he was the guy thatcalled 9 1 1 originally.
he testified that he heard athud on his door and heard
someone scream.
He later discovered blood on hisdoor.
He tried to go to his house.

(43:02):
Another neighbor testified theyheard a man yell, let me go.
I'm sorry.
Let go of me.
I don't wanna be misquotinganybody.
Sure.
so I'm gonna, this is what ishappening.
They're attacking this poor manand he is running for his life

(43:23):
and trying desperately andbanging on neighbor's doors.
Do you remember at the beginningof the story when I said they
found blood on a door and a backwindow of another house?
He was hitting up multipleneighbors.
He was getting anywhere hecould.
Okay.
And just imagining, imaginesomething waking you up outta
your sleep and you hear a fight,a violent fight and screaming,

(43:44):
and you don't know who's who.
I'm not opening.
You don't.
Who's the aggressor?
I like to think I'm not.
I am would not be opening thedoor espec.
And listen for me as a woman, ifit had been a woman, I would've
been more apt to do it.
But hearing men, you don't knowwhat the hell they've been up to
out there.
You don't know who's theaggressor, who originally
started it, and if, especiallyif you're alone or if you're

(44:07):
inside with your wife and yourfamily, children's not opening
the door.
Yeah.
You're calling the police andhoping that the fucking
dispatchers send somebody out.
Thank you.
This is true.
No blunders.
Please.
What an unfortunate stroke offate that it was the same night
as these fires.
And what would've happeneddifferently if the fire wasn't

(44:28):
there?
Yeah.
That's so crazy to think of.
officer Mike Majors testified hefound an ax buried in a garden
area next to the Roger's home.
It had blood on the handle andon the ax, a fucking ax.
And you buried it in your owngarden on your own property when
you had 13, over 12 hours and 13pounds of marijuana in the front

(44:51):
room.
So it was, it was actually foundon the basement rug.
I'd like to think of it sittingon the, it might as well have
been sitting Yeah.
On if there's a trail of bloodall over and on the basement
door, they're gonna go in thebasement.
Hello.
Ada County Coroner, DanChristman testified about the
numerous bloodstains foundaround the home.

(45:13):
This was a bloodbath.
When you have first responderssaying, this is the worst thing
that I have ever seen, they haveseen some shit.
Mm-hmm.
Accidental and on purpose.
They have seen some wild shitand.
just to compare, you guys haveheard us talk about Kim Fest and
why that is, and I will tell youthat the first responders to

(45:39):
Kim's scene, they described itthe same way.
You can look it up online,Kimberly Larson.
But these first responders havealso stuck with the family.
They have come to communityevents.
They are forever bonded.
they did, they did everythingthat they could, but these types
of cases are so impactful, evenfor those people, that this is

(46:02):
their job.
They're used to it.
For them to say something likethis is huge.
Carl Kitchen told the jury abouthow he discovered body parts on
the Snake River.
While on that 4th of Julyfishing trip of this family, he
said, quote, as I got closer tothe reservoir, I saw a strange
object.

(46:25):
I saw it had to be a piece ofhuman body from above.
The navel just below the legjoints for it to be so
unrecognizable.
I mean, can you really imagine,how would you like, well, in the
human brain, I mean, right whenyou see something like this,
you're like, that's gotta befake.

(46:45):
That's like what causesbystander where, where you're
like, this isn't reallyhappening.
You know, what is that?
Uh, there's no way.
I remember that case where theguy was out, deer hunting and he
saw that round object, and hejust was like, surely that's not
a skull of a human.
Right.
And he, it was.
And then it's unmistakable.
you're like, oh no, that's whatI'm really seeing.

(47:08):
Washington County Sheriff JimJohnston said, police recovered
other body parts includinghands, a thigh, fingers a
forearm, and the remainder ofthe torso and the head.
And can you imagine being onthat job duty, like, Hey, we're
looking for body parts today.
not a, not a great day on thejob at all.
so thank you to those that do itand I'm so impressed and just

(47:34):
thankful that they found thismuch.
'cause without it, could youimagine doing this case without
a body?
He was bloody and he just ranaway and, and decided to
disappear.
He thought someone was trying tokill him.
Well, nobody was gettingconvicted of anything.
'cause remember they werearrested for all of the drugs.
Mm-hmm.
On the 30th.

(47:55):
They figured somebody hadprobably died there.
They had nothing without a body.
It complicates everything.
'cause you could be like, yeah,they got in a fight and he
decided to go to Canada to,'cause he knew someone was gonna
kill him.
Yeah.
And he'll, he'll disappearforever.
So without a body it would be sohard.
So thank you to those folks thathad a really terrible day on the
job of doing a scavenger huntfor body parts.

(48:19):
How terrible is that?
Boise.
Detective Dave Smith testifiedthat Cox.
Mm-hmm.
Remember Buddy Cox?
Yeah.
Led police to a dumpster inMeridian where they found
garbage bags, oh shoes, socks.
And a pair of gloves that weresaturated with a red like

(48:39):
substance.
Wonder what that was.
I'm just telling you, if thiswas nowadays, it would've all
been DNA tested and all that.
Yeah.
But this is 87, so they're justgonna assume it was blood.
Okay.
I mean, the guy who is concharged with being in conflict
80 and a Betty, is showing you,oh, let me just show you this

(48:59):
dumpster.
So that just proves what he'ssaying.
Yeah.
If you know where the all thegoods are hidden.
Todd Cluff, A friend of Rogerstestified, Rogers told him some
Coke had been ripped off fromhis house and some money.
About a thousand.
I knew there was more than justweed.
I knew it about a thousanddollars worth.
And that's a lot.

(49:19):
It is.
I mean, 87.
Todd said, Rogers said he wassick of getting ripped off and
that he had a way of finding outwho had done it and that they'd
be sorry.
So he's, this is a very, he hasproblems.
This guy is, I knew there meantto be drugs.

(49:40):
Drugs.
Stimulant involved.
Yeah.
Drugs.
a convenience store.
A clerk testified that she saw atall, slender black man and a
white man enter her store around9:00 AM on June 30th in Weezer.
They grabbed a cup of coffee andleft and look, I'm gonna bring
this up.
87 a black man.

(50:04):
Very reckon.
Just the truth you guys.
And it's not just, even now,even in 2025, our population of.
African American black peoplehere in Idaho is very low.
In 87 it was next to nothing I'msure.
So she was gonna rememberseeing, so it's not like, oh
yeah, I saw these guys come in.
Like, it was a very, the onlyreason I'm bringing this up is
because it was a very, it'd be,it'd be different.

(50:27):
is what I'm trying to say.
It was very credible.
Yeah.
That was all, just to explainthat this was probably very
credible testimony.
an acquaintance of Rogers,Barbara Fleming, testified
Rogers came to her house on the30th, a little bit before noon,
and said police were surroundinghis house.

(50:47):
Oh.
He said, Hey, you mind goingover there and see what's going
on?
That's all you can.
There's no cell phone.
So this is a good, this is thefirst smarter thing that I've
heard of.
Like, especially if you knewthat you killed somebody,
though.
I mean, this is like the bareminimum.
It's like, shit, the pot.
Can you do a quick drive by?
See if they're pulling any bagsof marijuana outta there.

(51:09):
Did they find a blood ax?
Say you're a concerned neighboror something.
Did they find the ax?
Do you see him in the garden onthe side?
God, are they in the garden?
Rogers had told police that hehad spent the night at his
parents' house along with hiswife and kids, as you do.
It was, it was movie night withthe gramps.
another Boise police officertestified that fingerprints on a

(51:33):
3 57 Magnum, er, Rogers, Rogershad purchased that gun in the
summer of 86.
Human blood and hair was foundon the gun and in the gun.
Oh, that's, that's bad.
That's close range.
That's, ooh, that's gnarly.
the blood type was OI just wannaremind listeners, this is 87.

(51:56):
the blood type was o, whichmatched both Rogers and Preston.
Wow.
And that's like the rarest, isit Type O, I think is the
rarest.
I don't know anything they cangive to everyone, but can only
receive typo.
I think, correct me if I'mwrong, but the biggest thing
that this officer said is thatwhen Rogers was arrested, he had

(52:20):
no injuries.
So he said, yeah, there's, therewas blood.
Yeah, it matched, but he wasfine.
Can I just say, knowing that,the victim was unarmed, was, was
trying to get away and doing allof these things and this

(52:40):
motherfucker had a gun that hehad discharged several times and
probably shot the guy.
Did he sh was it proven that heshot the guy?
Yeah.
If there was blood and hair andyou also had an ax and there's
blood everywhere for an unarmedperson and it, it still took
whatever for you to kill thisunarmed person.

(53:02):
You've got a gun and an ax.
How much cocaine were you on?
Drugs?
Terrible shot.
Terrible ax swing.
Like how were you so bad atthis?
Testimony was presented aboutthe cuts to Preston's body.

(53:22):
Dr.
Frank Roberts described the cutsas straight, not jagged, and
they didn't bleed much.
This indicated they wereinflicted after Preston was
dead.
Yeah, he said only the headwound and the arm wound were
inflicted before death.
Dr.
Roberts also said the body partshad been in the water for four

(53:45):
to five days before beingdiscovered.
I'm just saying if this happenednowadays he would, they, there
would be no trial, there wouldbe, they would've had'em dead.
Right.
They so shitty at this.
Both the act and the covering upwere the literal, worst efforts
I've seen in a long time.

(54:06):
A criminologist testified thatthe bullet found in the skull of
Preston was from a 3 57 Magnumrevolver that was found in
Roger's home.
Like you're, I cannot believethat they even went to trial at
this point, dude.
So I just wanna tell you some, Ididn't write this down in here,

(54:26):
but neighbors literally saw aman hosing blood off of a car,
and the porch that morning,Hiller didn't pick up the pot
and get it outta the house.
What?
I just, anyway, and they had somuch, luckily that officer was

(54:50):
not dispatched.
You have so much time.
If that, if that officer hadbeen dispatched, I think Preston
would've been alive.
Possibly.
I mean, this motherfucker, theywere torturing fought, they were
torturing this poor man byprobably trying to be like, you
still make cocaine?
Where is he?
I think that they shot him inthe, I think they beat him up.

(55:11):
I think they shot him in thearm.
That's where a lot of the bloodcame from.
Yeah.
I think he was running, tryingto make to escape.
And he did.
He was running to multiplehouses.
There's two of them.
Isn't that fucking just, it isso tragic that this person
literally did everything thatthey could have.

(55:32):
so let's bring on the defense.
I'm so interested.
Rogers takes the stand.
I'm gonna tell you his story.
Here's Roger's story.

Stephanie (55:45):
Let's hear it.

Dani (55:46):
He testified, Pope, I can't stand the side of blood.
I felt like I was gonna throw upyou're fucking fat mouth.
Roger said he did not killPreston, but the Cox did.
Roger said that Cox told him,quote, I'm gonna cut him up in

(56:08):
pieces and feed him to the fish.

Blank (56:11):
Mm.

Dani (56:12):
He said that he met Preston that day because Preston
had been in, had informationabout guns that were stolen from
Roger's father's house.

Stephanie (56:21):
Met him

Dani (56:21):
just that day.
Okay.
No, that he just met him.
Oh.
The reason that they werehanging out.
The group went to two differentplaces to find the guns, but
then they were unable to findanyone who knew where the guns
were.
So the three went back toRoger's house.

Stephanie (56:39):
Mm-hmm.

Dani (56:40):
Roger said quote, co said, Pete's lying to you.
Who's got your guns?
I'm gonna be doing some quotesin here.
By the way, that is gonna bevery hard for me because they're
not fluent.
So just be patient with me.
Cox and Preston went to thebasement to smoke some pot while

(57:00):
Roger wholesome.
Roger made some coffee upstairs.
What a great host.
He heard them because thecocaine is not enough.
Right.
I need a little extra something.
We love a trap house owner withsome hospitality doing it right.
He heard them arguingdownstairs.
Oh dear.
He went to the foot of thestairs and saw Preston turn on

(57:23):
Cox with a knife.
Coxin picked up another knifethat was in the basement and
started swinging at each other.
This is like Mortal Kombat rightbefore your eyes quote.
I was yelling at them to stop.
They weren't paying me a bit ofattention.

Stephanie (57:41):
Oh dear.

Dani (57:41):
At this point, they were fighting and cussing each other.
What's?
What's a boy to do them?
Preston turned on Rogers andthreatened to kill him.
No.
Rogers fired a warning shot.
As you do, if someone is in yourH who doesn't, it's like a desk
pop on that one movie.

(58:01):
Just put out a desk pop.
Someone gets too unruly in yourhouse at a party.
Pop desk.
Pop, yeah.
Preston, not Rogers down and thegun fell out of his hand.
Oh no.
Quote.
Preston ran up the stairs.

(58:22):
Cox grabbed the pistol and hefired up the stairs at Pete, and
then he ran after Pete Preston.
They called Pete Preston.
Sure, sure, sure.
Then he said, Cox chased Prestonout into the street and brought
him back into the house.
If someone is such a threat, whyare you putting, dragging them

(58:45):
back in the house?
You're worried for your life.
Roger saw that Preston wasinjured and told him that he
would call an ambulance.
But the fight continued betweenPreston and Cox.
Cox Drug, Preston downstairs.
Quote.
Next thing I do is I tried to goand stop them.

(59:08):
When I got to the kitchen partof the house, I heard the gun go
off.
I froze.
I hear footprints there stoodCox.
He was about two steps from thetop.
He said, don't worry about him.
He won't bother anyone anymore.
I killed him.
What is this A telenovela like?

(59:30):
I wanna know how you hearfootprints.
Frankly, I heard the footprints.
Wow.
I was, I noticed that as well.
I heard the footprints.
I heard the footprints.
Wow, man.
Very impressive.
This whole story is just, he'shad months and it's a crackhead

(59:52):
concoction still.
He's had months to come up witha, he could have had six years
to come up with a good story,and he heard foot footprints
well, in just the whole, like,he was trying to kill us.
And then he ran outta the houseand we dragged back and we were
so scared of him trying to killus, and so he brought him back
in the house.
You fucking dip shits.

(01:00:14):
After 50 witnesses, the case ishanded over to the jury.
So I just, I fed you somesmidgens of testimony, but there
was like literally 50 just thegood little morsels.
Yeah.
Like, no, we got you.
Oh, we got you here.
We got you there.
The jury deliberates for sixhours before coming back with a

(01:00:34):
guilty verdict of first degreemurder.
They, they reviewed itthoroughly, in my opinion.
I bet you hearing, uh,footprints weighed heavily on
their decision.
Oh my gosh.
Sorry.
Cheers, sis.
This is, I'm glad you coveredthis.
in a plea agreement, Cox pledguilty to accessory to a felony

(01:00:58):
and aggravated assault, and thefirst degree murder charges are
dropped.
Cox had agreed to testifyagainst Rogers, but was not
called by the prosecution duringthe trial.
See, and that's what I've beenwondering this whole time,
because it sounded like fromRoger's testimony that he was
trying, I'm like, if you'resaying all this now, why didn't

(01:01:20):
you do a plea agreement to belike, I'll set it all up for
you.
Cox already had it.
He showed him where the shitwas.
He is like, I'm not going downfor this crazy motherfucker too
late on the jump.
I did.
I So lemme just tell you what CoCox said.
And the reason he wasn't called,I'm telling you, because they
had it in the bag.

(01:01:41):
They needed, there was so much,they didn't need to dirty
anything or bring him in so thedefense can, pick it apart.
Team can be like, well, you, didyou do that?
Him, did you hit him?
Do you trust him?
Him?
Did you hit him?
Because he's an unreliablewitness.
It's like, it's almost, it's onestep above a prison.
They snitch.
They had so much like theydidn't need him.
They didn't need his testimony.
Cox's attorney, Rolf Keen, gaveCox's side of the story.

(01:02:04):
The three men did drive aroundlooking for the missing guns
when they were unable to locatethem.
This had to been a drunken drug.
Crackhead.
Yeah, it was a, I knew thatthere was a stimulant involved
because people don't just dothis on marijuana.
No, they don't.
They're like, how me theCheetos, bro?
Yeah, let's get some Cheetos.
Let's watch a fucking funnymovie.

(01:02:24):
Let's do, no one is doing thisshit.
Smoking a bowl.
when they were unable to locatethem, they went back to Roger's.
Cox didn't realize anything waswrong until Rogers took him
aside upstairs and said, quote,he can't leave here alive.
Cox tried to persuade Rogers tolet Preston go, but Rogers said,

(01:02:45):
you're either with me or you'reagainst me.
This sounds totally like amovie, like a bad Well, but I
can see something of this sorthappening.
Yeah.
When people get all up on thesestimulants, you're like, slow
down dude.
They think they're, they thinkthey're Scarface.
Yeah.
They're like, I gotta act likethe big man.
I gotta be the Scarface.
And I think Cox is like, slowyour roll.
We're not in the movie Scarface.
Right.
We are in Boise, Idaho.

(01:03:06):
Let's go motherfucker some potand chill.
Yeah.
when asked about disposing ofthe body, Cox said it was more
or less for his own safety.
Rogers had threatened Coxsaying, I know where you be if
you try to make a break.
I know where your family is.
Well, and you're alreadysomewhat implicated by being
there.
Whether he was how much he wasin it or not.

(01:03:28):
If you're, you're not gonna belike, I'm out.
Yeah, you, you're too.
That's a hard break to make.
You are too far deep.
If all of this is, even, even ifthe whole time you were like,
bro, stop and trying to like, bein a corner or trying to
deescalate.
You're just like, oh.
And when someone dies and you'vebeen there the whole time and
you're on drugs, I forgot thatthing.
I got, mm, I gotta go pick up mymama's prescription.

(01:03:50):
My, my dog does have a, um,pedicure scheduled 7:00 AM
sharp.
I, and we cannot miss anotherappointment for this stylist is
gonna kill me.
You're not doing that?
No.
Just like, oh fuck.
I'm in this now.
Yes.
Cox is sentenced to five yearsfor the accessory charge and two
years for the assault.
The sentences were runconcurrent with time served.

(01:04:13):
Cox will be eligible for parolein 120 days.
On August 15th, Rogers tried tocommit suicide while awaiting
sentencing.
He lost two pints of blood afterhe slit his wrist.
And

Stephanie (01:04:30):
a serious attempt here.
Yeah.

Dani (01:04:31):
It, it was a serious attempt, but the cops like,
well, you know, probablyshouldn't have done that.
So here's your new cell with 24hour surveillance video.
Thank you.
Yeah.

Stephanie (01:04:42):
Now you get nothing.
No shoelaces, no anything.

Dani (01:04:47):
Yeah.
The beard is, the beard is gonnagrow.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
During Roger's sentencinghearing, prosecutor Bower asked
for the death penalty statingthat he had killed before.
I mean, a very important thing,mitigating circumstance.
Yeah.
Uh, Rogers told the judge quote,I feel very sorry for Pete's

(01:05:10):
family that they had to gothrough an ordeal like this.
Even today when I look atthings, I don't see any way I
could have stopped Darren Cox.
I'm as much of a victim in thiscase as Pete Murr

Stephanie (01:05:25):
almost.
See now, why'd you have to openyour mouth and continue that
sentence like, I'm, I'm as muchof a victim.
How are you as much of a victim?
Listen to the words coming outtayour mouth.
I am as much of a victim.
How you're here breathing?

Dani (01:05:44):
Don't know.
Yeah.
Well anyway.
Almost why?
'cause you're breathing.
Look, you are already aconvicted murderer.
Mm-hmm.
You weren't scared because yougot a measly five fucking years.

Stephanie (01:06:00):
Yeah.

Dani (01:06:00):
For murdering somebody.
I don't even know how that'spossible.
He said Not this time.
Uh, judge Carey said thedefendant is a dangerous person
and he should never be allowedto go free.
But Judge Carey did spareRoger's life while venting about
Idaho's protracted, cumbersomedeath penalty appeals process,

(01:06:23):
which we know very well.
Appeals.
Appeals, appeals.
He was

Stephanie (01:06:26):
having some foresight and seeing how it was going
already with these peoplehanding out death penalties like
their fucking Oprah.
Yep.
Um, so he's like, you know, wegotta kind of.
Tamp down the numbers on thosedeath penalties.
I think I'm just gonna go withlife.

Dani (01:06:43):
Let's do it.
Rogers is sentenced to a fixedlife term without the
possibility of parole.
And you remember the originalcharges for Rogers while he was
in jail, when then he wascharged with Preston's murder?
Mm-hmm.
He was sentenced for anadditional six more years.
Just little cherry on top.
There you go.
Just to top it all off.

(01:07:04):
And his wife Catherine, wassentenced to 120 days in jail.
For those drug charges.
And we all know why, becauseshe's a woman.
Mm-hmm.
Cess doesn't treat, I mean shedidn't kill anybody or anything,
but he got six years for thesame charges that she got 120
days for.
So, and I'm surpris for their 13packages of

Stephanie (01:07:23):
pot.
Gosh.
Well, and I'm just surprised'cause I mean it doesn't say
much about it, but what wouldn'tshe have been a party to like
disposing of the body and Imean.
She was there, wasn't she?
So she was probably much moreinvolved.
That was unclear to

Dani (01:07:40):
me.
That was unclear to me.

Stephanie (01:07:44):
Yeah.
I'm sure that she was anaccessory in some way.
They came back to the housetogether.
Right?

Dani (01:07:49):
Right.

Stephanie (01:07:50):
She was an accessory in some way.
So very lucky for you ma'am.

Dani (01:07:56):
Cox is released on October 7th after serving 16 months in
prison.

Stephanie (01:08:03):
All righty, then he made a deal.

Dani (01:08:05):
Yep.
Uh, and I did do a littleresearch to see if he's never
in, uh, the Idaho Department ofCorrections records again, uh,
couldn't find anything on thecourt system.
I about Jay's like, I am fuckingoutta here.

(01:08:25):
What's his first name again?
Darren?
Wait.
No, it's.
Darren

Stephanie (01:08:30):
or

Dani (01:08:30):
Daryl?
Mm.
It's Darren, but it's spelledfunny.
It's spelled, it's D-A-R-O-N.
Hmm.

Stephanie (01:08:39):
Still Cox is a very popular last name.
Right.
Too.
So,

Dani (01:08:43):
but I, I, I feel like I did, if anybody knows anything,
but I think it's like, this isnot for me.
I'm out.
Idaho is not for me.
Maybe the cocaine's not for youeither.
Maybe just saying, just sayingmaybe, So, um, and in 2025,

(01:09:04):
Rogers is 75 years old and incustody of the Idaho State
Correctional Center in Boise.

Stephanie (01:09:13):
And that does it, folks.
I mean, and from what we'veheard, there's been a lot of
publicity about it because ofBerger, but apparently it's one
of the worst prisons.

Dani (01:09:23):
Yeah.
I I, I think that I'm gonna doa, like a little mini, so on
that, I wanna do a littleresearch on that.
Yeah.

Stephanie (01:09:29):
Comparatively,

Dani (01:09:30):
because I mean, it's not like from just some of the
reading I've done, it's not theworst prison as far as, uh,
like.
Violence, like, uh, inmate,inmate violence.
Sure.
But they are just hardcorerestrictive.
Very restrictive.
There's, this is not thechrisleys going to jail.

(01:09:52):
No.
Um, no.
It's very, um, very, verystrict.
I do on the tiktoks.
I've been seeing people postlike, give me their, let me put
money on the books for thesepeople.
Annoying the people

Stephanie (01:10:08):
harassing coberg.
I've seen that too.
Yeah.
Which, I mean, we're notpraising them by any means'cause
they're in there for a reasontoo.
But I think.
If you paid attention to theCoberg case, he seems like he
thinks he's kind of a, he'ssmarter than everyone and better
than everyone.
So I do love that he's getting awarm, warm, warm welcome.

(01:10:29):
You're not special.
You're not special.
You're just a murderer.
Yeah, he, he's getting to hangout with the types of people
that he wanted to be.
So, yeah.
These's are your new friendsnow.
Friends for life, automaticfriends for life forever.
Your neighbors ever, ever.
BFFs.
Yeah.
I'm not mad about it.
I'm not mad about it.
I'm not mad about a littlehazing and harassment.

Dani (01:10:49):
No.
You know, and our, our laws hereare so strict about, uh, drug
use.
There's probably some king pigdrug dealer in there.
And, you know, it's like, yeah,I'm here for like 30, 40 years.
Mm-hmm.
So let's just got nothing tolose.
Yeah.
And I'm not a horrible person.
I sold some pot.
Yeah.
Uh, literally we have people injail here for serious time.

(01:11:14):
Over the marriage.
It's fucking lame.
It is so stupid.
So anyways, he's gonna be amiserable son of a bitch and
very lonely.
And because he can't be put ingen pop.
Anyway, I don't know how we goton that, but anyway.
Uh, fuck yourself.
Yeah, fuck yourself.

Stephanie (01:11:33):
Yeah, Rogers, I, I just wonder how it is getting a
new person in, like, who areRoger's friends?
Like, do they have a littleclique or,

Dani (01:11:41):
I'm thinking at 75, he probably is respected.
Mm-hmm.
He's, he, he's an old man.
He's done his, he's, he'sobviously done his time, but he
also knows the rules.
I hardly doubt he's in therecausing a ruckus.
He's just like, Hey, he'sprobably chill playing some
cards.
He just check in the box

Stephanie (01:12:00):
every day.

Dani (01:12:00):
Yep.
Yep.
fun fact on this house, Idahistory.
Yes.
Did, um, a tour because we'recoming on spooky season.

Stephanie (01:12:12):
Mm-hmm.

Dani (01:12:12):
So I don't know if they're doing it again this year.
Um, history's great.
We love them.
Um, but they did a tour of thehouse, um, last year around the
spooky time.
And he, his, uh, on their TikTokthat they said that they had,
uh, some case related stuff inthe house and it's.

(01:12:35):
Kind of beaten up how it looks.
It looks spooky.
So yeah,

Stephanie (01:12:39):
Danny and I wanna do one of the tours and they do all
kinds of different tours thatyou can go downtown Boise and
learn about, like the brothelsand everything.
I would love to do one of those.
Yeah, like a drinking andwalking tours.
Yeah, one of'em.
Um, but they have the coolestIdaho history, so if you're in
Idaho or just interested in thisarea, follow them on TikTok.

(01:13:00):
They've always got cool stuff.

Dani (01:13:01):
Yep, absolutely.
And they have a good Facebookpage too.
It's all mm-hmm.
It's all there.
Um, they're probably on YouTubetoo.
Yeah, I, they probably

Stephanie (01:13:08):
do all the

Dani (01:13:08):
things I'm just saying to the tick to.
So, uh,

Stephanie (01:13:12):
but this was an interesting case.
I know that people have done itbefore.
Um, Danny is exclusively with,with newspapers and case files
that we can get our hands on.
So let us know what you think.
I liked it.
I thought it was a goodperspective and, and hearing
some of these things, it, itseemed fresh to me.
So let us know what you guysthink.

Dani (01:13:30):
Alrighty, guys.
Well, ten four rubber ducky.
Fuck yeah.