October 19, 2025 • 43 mins
Join Dani and Stephanie as they dive into the chilling tale of Todd C. Hagnis, who turned a simple arson call near Boise Airport into a grisly double homicide investigation. Discover how a mundane porch beer and lighter led detectives to ghastly hidden bodies and a bizarre confession. We'll take you through the harrowing and methodical police work, and the perplexing twists that left everyone asking, 'Why call the cops on yourself?' From Hagnis’ unsettling roommate saga to his final chapter in 'other jail,' this case is riddled with WTF moments. Navigate through the dark humor and curious details as we explore one of Idaho's most baffling crimes.
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Dani (00:00):
We are not technical girlies.
Stephanie (00:03):
No, we're not.
We need an audio video person.
Dani (00:09):
We just are.
We're doing our jam.
We got this.
Stephanie (00:12):
We're our own audio and video persons.
Kind of, if this has any audioissues, I'm going to lose my
absolute shit.
Dani (00:24):
Okay.
Stephanie (00:25):
Alright folks.
Not your fault at all.
It's um, I don't know whosefault it is really.
Dani (00:32):
It's probably the demons.
Stephanie (00:34):
Yes, we have had a demon problem, that's for sure.
And it's spooky season, so
Dani (00:40):
maybe that's it.
Let's go.
Cheers
Stephanie (00:41):
to spooky season everyone.
I hope you're having a lovelyease into fall.
I feel like it's been reallynice here.
Mm-hmm.
As far as like, I love that fallI saw a TikTok that's like fall
is not crazy like these otherseasons.
Like a very demure and mindfulYes.
Yeah.
She's easing into it.
(01:03):
It's getting the leaves get alittle crispy.
They start changing colors
Dani (01:07):
but my tomatoes aren't dead yet.
I'm loving it.
Stephanie (01:10):
Well, a win-win, win-win, win, win.
Um, so yeah, hope you guys aredoing great.
We're doing awesome.
We just recorded two tiktoks.
That's a lot for us.
That's a big word for Elmo.
Truly it fucking.
(01:31):
It is a lot.
So we,
Dani (01:33):
but we do enjoy.
I, I fucking love it.
It's fun.
Stephanie (01:35):
It's super fun, but it's it's so much harder than it
looks It's crazy.
Dani (01:40):
Kudos to, uh, creators that can nail it every time.
Absolutely.
Because we do not nail it every
Stephanie (01:45):
time.
I think it probably took us 16times this time, and that's
okay.
We're here to win.
We're here.
We're here to get it done andget it done right.
We're just doing our best.
We're just really doing ourbest, you guys, and we're poor.
So just kidding.
No, but really, anyway, Dannyhas another story for us today.
(02:07):
What is on the table?
Dani (02:11):
Well, in 2007, a small house fire near the Boise
Airport.
caught fire officers.
Found the tenant on the porchwith a beer and a lighter uh oh.
What began as an arson callturned into a double homicide
(02:32):
when crews uncovered two bodies,one in the crawl space and one
in the yard.
This is how a porch fire leddetectives to buried victims.
And a confession
Stephanie (02:45):
well shit
Dani (02:46):
sources used in today's episode.
That bitch, the Idaho statesman,
Stephanie (02:50):
love you girl.
Dani (03:23):
On April 26th, 2007, Boise Police arrested 38-year-old Todd
c Hagnis after a house fire nearthe Boise Airport.
The fire started around 9:25 AMaccording to spokesperson, Lynn
Hightower.
Remember Lynn Hightower?
Oh, I do.
Lynn Hightower.
What a great name for you.
(03:43):
I know she was on the news andthen she went to.
Be like the spokesperson for theBoise Police Department, right?
Yes, she
Stephanie (03:50):
did.
Yep.
Dani (03:51):
But we know her from the news.
Stephanie (03:54):
You know, we, we get really connected to our news
folks here in Idaho.
They stay
Dani (03:58):
forever.
Stephanie (03:59):
Larry Bert, anyone rest in peace?
RIPI
Dani (04:07):
Mm-hmm.
Because he is near and dear topeople here.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Cruz found hagnis on the porch,swing near the flames, holding a
beer, a lighter and a phone.
Oh, Hagnis Lived on the 1500block of Heisel Street and was
booked into the ADA County Jailfor felony first degree arson.
Detectives said they were stillworking.
(04:29):
To learn how the fire startedand whether it connected to
other crimes on the property.
Hightower said there was more tothe story than a house fire.
Stephanie (04:39):
Sounds like it.
Dani (04:40):
During questioning, Hagnis gave information that led
detectives to believe twohomicides had occurred inside
the home.
Stephanie (04:49):
Okay?
Dani (04:49):
Hagnis was held on a million dollar bond for arson.
Investigators found what theybelieved were human remains in
the crawlspace because of theseriousness of the suspected
crimes and the condition of theevidence.
The search was meticulous andmethodical.
Thank goodness.
(05:10):
Police said they had partialidentities for the possible
victims, both acquaintances ofHagnis.
Mm, and they also found the bodyof a small dog beneath the
house.
What the dog doing.
What the dog doing there.
Right?
Because if
Stephanie (05:26):
you, if your dog dies, are what, when are you
ever burying your dog underneaththe house?
The backyard.
Sure.
On your property?
Yeah.
That's odd.
I don't like it.
Dani (05:42):
Police said evidence suggested two murders had
occurred and named Hagnis asuspect.
Investigators began collectingevidence at the home located
near Victory Road and FederalWay.
Just to kind of give you an ideawhere I was sitting in Boise,
they also believe Hagnis was theanonymous caller who phoned nine
one one at 7:19 AM saying thepolice would be busy, I would
(06:07):
need cadaver dogs.
And then he later called toreport the fire.
Stephanie (06:13):
Hi, I'm not me.
And I saw something suspiciousthat was not me, but was someone
else at not my house.
And not my house.
I could see the house though,but I don't live there.
Dani (06:28):
Not me.
Stephanie (06:30):
I wish we could get these 9 1 1 calls.
Dani (06:32):
Oh my God.
Does.
It sounds like
Stephanie (06:34):
the jig was up before it even began.
Dani (06:36):
It really was.
I mean, and he goes in there andhe is like, oh, by the way.
Those cadaver dogs, they're fortwo dead bodies.
Like he's just spilling.
He's spilling just enough tomake them go look right.
This is so
Stephanie (06:53):
strange
Dani (06:54):
because a house fire wouldn't immediately, uh, I'm
sure firefighters are not like,oh, there's a house fire.
Let's go check for cadavers.
Stephanie (07:03):
No, not at all.
That is not the priority.
Dani (07:05):
No.
Let's get the fire out.
Are you okay sir?
Sorry about your luck.
Okay.
Call your insurance company.
Stephanie (07:14):
Mm-hmm.
That's a typical, they're notlike, um,
Dani (07:16):
uh, well, I know you, did you get any dead bodies in
there?
Yeah.
I know you just had a fire, butit's our routine, uh, part of
our investigation to check for.
I just gotta ask.
Dead body.
Any dead bodies in the crawlspace, buried in the backyard.
You got a burn barrel.
Maybe you forgot about'em orsomething.
Stephanie (07:33):
Previous owner, you knew about some previous owners,
dead bodies.
Yeah.
Dani (07:36):
Can we just discuss this really quick and then we'll,
we'll get outta your hair?
No, no
Stephanie (07:40):
one's asking that.
It was because of him.
Dani (07:46):
This is a difficult, disturbing crime.
Captain Eugene Smith said, hedescribed the work at the home
as painstaking and methodical.
You are gonna hear methodicallike 50 times from each tonight.
Stephanie (08:00):
That's, and because that's the word that's been used
in articles again and again,
Dani (08:04):
neighbors said Hagnis lived with at least two other
men and possibly a woman.
And that the group kept a lowprofile neighbor David Berger
said he had not seen theroommates for several days.
He often saw them around abackyard fire pit and frequently
saw Hagnis walking his dog nextdoor, owner JP Phillips, Larry
(08:30):
said Hagnis mostly kept tohimself, relatives and a former
girlfriend till reporters, theywere not surprised by Hagnis
arrest.
Mm mm So something was a littleoff.
Something was off.
You know, you can portray thatsometimes you can get away with
(08:53):
it with people you work with.
Mm-hmm.
Neighbors.
But when, when us girlfriendsclose friends, family members
are like, yeah, we're notsurprised.
You can only mask so much.
Yes.
You can only mask so much.
Stephanie (09:11):
Yeah.
We've had a couple cases likethis, like where the one Oh.
So-and-so's talking about hismost recent murder, like where
they kind of knew that he hadmurdered someone and it was
like, oh, here he goes again outmurdering damn cousin Dave,
whoever the, yeah.
(09:31):
You know,
Dani (09:32):
it doesn't surprise me one bit.
Yeah.
Family members said Hagnis had atemper and problems with
alcohol, drugs and the law.
Oh.
Record showed.
And these are nothing big, butrecords showed a 2000 Utah
misdemeanor for a legalpossession of a controlled
substance and paraphernalia.
(09:52):
It was probably pot, uh, twoOregon misdemeanor contempt of
court convictions in 2004 and anoh six ADA County, an ADA county
misdemeanor battery case from adispute at an apartment complex.
Okay.
So we're escalating mm-hmm.
When we get to the misdemeanorbattery, but I mean, Hmm.
(10:12):
Everybody.
Pot was bad for everybody in2000.
Well, remember those
Stephanie (10:15):
times.
You know this, it's all about ifyou get caught or not.
I mean, listen, my earlytwenties, I don't know how I
didn't have maybe at least oneof those charges.
Take your pick one, spin thewheel, how it, it was purely
(10:38):
luck, which.
Listen, I'm not lucky on theslots.
I'm not lucky on the lotterytickets.
I guess that's where I got myluck because what a, what a
little hellion I was, I shouldhave had maybe a couple, couple
of those, a little one too.
Mm-hmm.
One or two of those didn't, notto any of my own brains and, and
skill, I'll tell you that much.
Dani (11:01):
Just pure luck.
When you said that, I just heardlike the clicking of like a
will.
Stephanie (11:06):
Yeah.
Like whose turn is I somehow.
We, we've all been a little bitof a shit show at some point in
our life,
Dani (11:15):
no doubt.
Uh, core papers hagnis listedtwo concrete company coworkers
as his nearest relatives.
What my bro, But one numberlisted reached someone who said
he didn't even know him.
Hana said, he had worked for aconcrete company, up till July,
(11:38):
2006.
I'm seeing some huge red flagshere.
Just why would you not list yourfamily members
Stephanie (11:50):
and you're listing two coworkers as your family
members?
Dani (11:55):
But also n possibly not even the right numbers.
He's making up phone numbers.
Like he meant like a man thatdoesn't wanna be found.
Yeah.
Stephanie (12:07):
Is what it sounds like.
Because listen, if you don'thave a brother, sister, or
mother f like that's okay.
I, I think a lot of people knownow that you might not talk to
those people.
There's a lot of reasons, but ifyour family is your coworker,
why would we have the wrongnumbers?
Strange.
Dani (12:29):
So the dog.
Stephanie (12:32):
Mm.
Dani (12:32):
While investigating detectives found a decaying dog
and freshly disturbed dirt, andby 11:00 PM that night, located
human remains not good at all.
This isn't looking good.
By day three, agencies had thecul-de-sac closed traffic while
(12:55):
they collected evidence in thebackyard.
Officers used ground penetratingradar and hand tools.
To sift soil and narrow theirsearch to a specific area.
The arson investigation,complicated evidence collection,
and the remains found on day onehad not yet been removed.
Stephanie (13:19):
I see.
And I've, I know that this is astandard way that people try to
cover up their crimes is bysetting a fire.
And I think a lot of it's prettyeffective because.
Think of a fire hose, you know,and everything that can wash
away and muddy up.
And it cannot wash away bonesand dead fire hose.
(13:40):
No, it can't.
It cannot at all.
But if there was,'cause a lot ofpeople think, oh, I'll just kill
someone in the living room andthen set the house on fire.
So they're easily caught, right?
Like.
Hm.
Yeah, that didn't work.
But it's still like other thingsthat you would've had like
footprints or other things.
Yeah.
It can wash away or mix updifferent DNAs that have been in
(14:01):
the house and put people's DNAon other things so that like you
don't wanna be blasting shitwith a fire hose, but they have
to.
Mm-hmm.
'cause they had to put the fireout, so.
Yep.
Dani (14:13):
Absolutely.
So while they're trying tosearch the other parts of the
house for where,'cause I don'tthink he was killing somebody in
the crawl space, that that wasnot where that started.
No.
So the fire definitelycomplicated.
Like they couldn't go and find
Stephanie (14:33):
blood spatter on the walls Correct.
And everything.
So, yeah, a hundred percent.
I get what you're saying.
Dani (14:39):
Hightower said detectives were building their case.
The home only measured 988square feet.
The owner said that to herknowledge, Hagnis was a sole
resident on a two year lease.
Mm.
That started in June of oh six,and it doesn't sound like that
was true
Stephanie (14:58):
for the neighbors.
That's a tiny house.
Yeah, especially for two, threeroommate.
I mean, I don't know yet, but itsounds like there was multiple
people in and out.
I don't know if they livedthere, but my first
Dani (15:09):
house was 800 square feet and two bedrooms.
The first house I purchased, itwas fucking tiny, but you know,
you can make that work.
It is what it is.
Throw another 188 feet on that,you definitely have more room.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It was definitely a onebathroom.
Stephanie (15:27):
And that's the roughest part of it.
Dani (15:29):
That is, mm-hmm.
On April 30th, investigatorsconfirmed a second body in the
northeast corner of the backyardat around 6:30 PM.
After a day of digging under ablue tarp and sifting through
soil screens, that is the worst.
And we saw this out at, with avelo case.
Stephanie (15:48):
Mm-hmm.
Dani (15:49):
They pop up that tent, and they're literally sifting dirt.
Stephanie (15:53):
Yeah.
Oh.
Not, I respect people in thisline of work, but.
I can't even imagine doing thatand like, thinking of the Vallow
case and the things that theyfound terrifying.
Horrifying.
(16:14):
Ugh.
I'd be physically ill.
And the, the shitty one aboutthat case is everyone, everyone
knew
Dani (16:21):
mm-hmm.
Stephanie (16:23):
If the, everyone with, you know, sure.
People wanna get the benefit ofthe doubt.
But why wouldn't you just showyour kids?
And I mean,'cause Idaho is oneof those states where you can
refuse medical care if forreligious reasons.
Mm-hmm.
And so if you can just show thatyour kid's alive, you have the
(16:45):
right to do whatever.
And if you're the custodialparent.
And so since that didn't happen,everyone should have probably
known.
But that doesn't change the factthat it's like.
Oh, we're in Chad's backyard.
In the little animal graveyard.
Dani (17:00):
Yeah,
Stephanie (17:01):
ill
Dani (17:03):
atrocious.
The body still covered with soilwas taken to the ADA County
morgue along with the dog'sbones.
Firefighters had to cut anexterior wall and pulled up
flooring to improve access tothe crawl space where the other
body remained.
(17:24):
Still there.
Damn.
Captain Smith said investigatorshad to be slow and methodical.
Methodical to be sure nothingwas missed.
Names, genders, condition of theremains and signs of trauma were
withheld from the public.
(17:44):
Autopsies were expected.
Within a few days.
Hagnis remained a suspect basedon his statements.
And about where the bodies mightbe found.
Of course, obviously, get yourcadaver dogs.
What an idiot.
Stephanie (18:01):
And just it make, if you're going to like murder
people, and it sounds like, Idon't know how long they've been
there or whatever, it doesn'tsound like there was a huge
investigation.
Why are you.
Kind of trying to do a miniarson, get rid of evidence, but
then not like, and
Dani (18:21):
then he initiated
Stephanie (18:21):
the call to nine
Dani (18:22):
one one.
Stephanie (18:23):
Yeah.
What are we doing?
I just to get, what's the logicof it isn't supposed
Dani (18:28):
to let the motherfucker burn
Stephanie (18:31):
or just, did he even have to burn it?
Like how much was suspicion ofthese missing people?
Like did anyone know they weremissing?
Could he have just lived lifefor five years there, or went on
his merry way to somewhere else?
Who knows?
Dani (18:46):
they had to bring in some animal welfare, people to help
remove other live animals fromthe property.
Stephanie (18:53):
Oh,
Dani (18:53):
reptiles from a back bedroom went to animal control,
fish and turtles from a frontyard, pond.
Went to a rescue group.
Okay.
Ponds are hard.
I'm just only giggling becauseponds are hard to take care of.
Extremely.
Especially in Idaho like thatactually have live fish.
(19:13):
Yeah.
And turtles in them.
Anyway, just a little.
No, you gotta really be on it.
On it.
Neighbor John Par said he andHagnis had a friendly flowerbed
competition.
He described Hagnis asneighborly and friendly,
sometimes a little loud at nightand said he had no idea anything
(19:35):
like this was happening.
He's into his yard.
Stephanie (19:42):
Well, and listen, with my neighbors, we've got one
neighbor that we're very closewith just'cause we knew them
before they moved in, and so ofcourse they're our favorite
neighbors.
what a blessing.
Let me just say, if you have afriend moving next to you, it's
so fucking cool.
It's like an adult, like not aslumber party, but just like
(20:04):
camp built in, friend rightthere.
If you're just, you don't wannago anywhere, but you just wanna
hang out and they're justamazing.
But, you know, we're we, we knowour neighbors, but it's very
high level, you know,
Dani (20:19):
so it sounds like he.
He was making he, he was makingfriends and had relationships
with some people to have afriendly gardening competition.
We don't know what that's like.
Yeah, that's more than most.
Yeah.
I'll say that.
Investigators expected to workthe scene another two or three
days.
Damn.
(20:39):
The even brought in portabletoilets and a mobile command
center just set up out in frontof the house as police prepare
to wrap up on the scene work.
Residents were looking foranswers.
Darcy Johnson, whose yard shareda fence with the property said
Hagnis like to garden and hewould toss her children's balls
(21:03):
back over the fence.
I mean, that's a ni we've had.
Look, if you've had kids and youhave that jerk neighbor.
That takes
Stephanie (21:14):
offense to it being in their yard.
Yeah.
You're not, your kids aren't,
Dani (21:17):
your kids aren't getting their, their stuff back
Stephanie (21:20):
at the very least, or at the most, you're getting a
visit or a screaming or anairborne.
Mm-hmm.
From a neighbor.
So yeah.
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Dani (22:59):
Access to the crawlspace body was gained Monday afternoon
and autopsies began.
In recent memory, this was themost time consuming and
difficult crime scene we hadencountered.
Captain Smith said,
Stephanie (23:14):
Hmm,
Dani (23:16):
can you, Ima like to get that body out from underneath?
They had to cut out walls andfloors.
Stephanie (23:25):
Yeah, I just, well, I just, and of course any crawl
space thing always brings me toJohn Wayne Gacy and everyone
knows that, but just thinking.
The work for two, in this case,I don't even remember how many
he had
Dani (23:40):
and I just, off the top, I wanna say it was 17, but I could
be wrong.
It, it was a lot.
It was more than 10.
Stephanie (23:46):
I'm pretty sure it was a lot.
So, but just thinking of, I justtrying to put myself in the mind
of someone like this where it'slike, oh, whoopsy killed
someone, or you know.
Your little urges got too far.
Like that's not me.
But if I did and I decided toput a body in a crawl space and
(24:07):
seeing how difficult that wouldbe, imagine digging with no head
room and like how gross crawlspaces are, how little room
there is.
And he did it that many times towhere he was running out of
fucking room essentially.
And now we've got this guythat's like.
(24:27):
I don't know when the murdershappened, but you did it once
and you're doing it again.
I guess this is one, I wouldn'tdo it at all, but I'm too
fucking lazy for that shit.
I'm not going in a crawl spacefor shit I, if my life depends
on it.
Maybe.
But if I don't ever think we'vegot friends that would that know
(24:50):
how to do trades, if it's HVACor whatever, I'm not getting in
a fucking crawlspace to bury abody.
Dani (24:57):
I don't think I've ever, I'm just really all the
Stephanie (24:59):
true crime we listen to crawlspace is that if you
were a different person, aserial killer, no body going in
your crawl space, no desertdemon.
Fuck.
Desert is correct though.
(25:22):
Or just, I mean, hello, FrankChurch Wilderness.
Dani (25:26):
That's too far to travel.
I got the why.
He's right here and I'm not.
If you plan,
Stephanie (25:30):
if you planned it, you could have time to travel.
Inconspicuously.
Dani (25:35):
We could go fishing, climb Martinez.
on May 3rd, the ADA Countycoroner said the man and woman
fan at the Heisel Street Homehad been killed several weeks
earlier and were roommates ofthe suspect.
Jodi Collingsworth, age 36, diedfrom a slash wound to the throat
(25:58):
and she was the body that wasfound in the crawlspace
horrific.
Jeffrey Allen Willett, age 48,died from a blunt force blow to
the head, and he was found inthe backyard.
Stephanie (26:12):
What the hell is happening in this house?
Both had, go ahead, but can Ijust say.
I'm not trying to make light ofanything, but you said she was
the one that was buried first.
Um, maybe.
Maybe, because in my opinion,trying to bury a body in the
(26:34):
crawl space and then why youwould do it in the backyard for
the next one.
It seems logical to me, so just,uh, we'll put a pin in that
Dani (26:45):
Jeffrey Allen Willett 48, died from a blunt force blow to
the head and was found in thebackyard.
Both had additional injuries andwere badly decomposed.
They've been there A hot minuteearly.
Evidence suggested Cosworth diedfirst.
So Jodi, you nailed it Diedfirst.
(27:12):
She was identified by tattoosand will it by fingerprints?
Police said both were part-timeroommates at the house rendered
by Hagnis.
Stephanie (27:23):
And again, I just, for this guy to call the cops
and clue it in.
So for one, if you had them bothin the crawl space.
And you're able to keep upneighborly and tenant
relationships if you have a coollandlord and they're never
coming by, even if they arecoming by.
No one's checking yourcrawlspace for bodies.
(27:47):
No, this, I feel like this couldhave went on and been unsolved
for years.
Dani (27:54):
There's something that triggered him to start that fire
and who knows what's going on inhis brain.
Um.
It is just sad though.
I mean these two innocent, theythought he was probably their
friend and roommate and Yeah,
Stephanie (28:11):
and maybe, I'm not sure how the missing person
case, if there was missingperson cases for these two, and
even if there wasn't, thatdoesn't mean anything.
It's just missing person we knowis all about how forceful the
family is and friends are andsometimes.
Police tell you things to makeyou think that you can't keep
pushing for it regardless.
(28:32):
So if it was that type ofsituation, this could have went
maybe forever.
Dani (28:41):
Just continue gardening.
Yeah.
Stephanie (28:42):
Oh, so and so these free, free spirits must have
went to Cancun or to Jamaica oryou know, lemme tell you.
Tell me about it.
Dani (28:54):
Will, it's ex-wife, Juul.
Said he had been trying to gethis life back on track and that
he was a caring father and ahard worker, and this is the ex
saying this, so.
Mm-hmm.
You know, uh, he accepted peoplewithout a thought.
The father of four and agrandfather of four had lived in
(29:15):
the Treasure Valley for nearly20 years.
He worked a long stand as a pitcrew chief at Meridian Speedway.
Love it.
And more recently.
He was working, doing electricalwork at a trailer construction
company in Boise.
She said he had battledalcoholism, but was improving,
(29:35):
but she became concerned when hemissed their son's 18th birthday
and stopped showing up for work.
Uh oh.
Jules said she knew Hagnis andfelt uncomfortable around him.
She recalled him feeding a livebaby rabbit to a snake in front
of her child.
(29:55):
Officials.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
There's some red flags there.
Yeah.
officials said they only locateda relative for collingsworth,
and that relative wasincarcerated outta state.
So not a whole lot on Jody.
Mm-hmm.
As far as her background, butJeffrey Willett.
He had kids.
(30:17):
It sounded like his ex-wife andhim had a decent An agreement.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A decent relationship.
She wasn't like, go fuckyourself.
She's like, oh, there was someweird things going on over
there, but you know, he's a gooddad.
Stephanie (30:30):
Mm-hmm.
Dani (30:31):
When he didn't call our son.
Definitely red flag.
Red flag.
Yep.
In early June, a grand juryindicted hagnis on two counts of
first degree murder.
The filing suggested Jodi mayhave been killed as early as
December 30th, 2006.
(30:51):
Oh, shit.
Yeah, On June 13th, Hagnispleaded not guilty In fourth
district court.
Prosecutors then filed notice toseek the death penalty.
They argued the crimes wereespecially heinous and showed an
utter disregard for human life.
(31:13):
They also said that there wasevidence that Jeffrey May have
been killed because he was apotential witness to Jody's
earlier murder.
Uh oh.
He probably was like, what'sgoing on with that?
Stephanie (31:26):
Yeah, no shit.
Dani (31:28):
Police and prosecutors said Hagnis may have lived in
the rental for up to four monthswith Jodi in the crawl space.
Sounds like it.
Allegation includes slashingJodi's throat sometime between
December 30th oh six and Marchoh seven and killing Jeffrey by
(31:50):
blunt force and burying himbetween March 31st and April
26th.
They're not exactly sure ofthese dates, but I do believe
that Jodi was killed wayearlier.
Stephanie (32:03):
I believe so as well.
'cause I can see how this wouldescalate.
Dani (32:09):
On January 29th, 2008, Hagnis avoided a possible death
sentence by pleading guilty tokilling his roommates and
burying them before setting thehome on fire.
Prosecutors dropped the deathpenalty request in exchange for
the guilty pleas on two countsof second degree murder for
Jeffrey Willett and JodyCollingsworth hagnis admitted to
(32:35):
the murders and agreed to lifein prison without the
possibility of parole on March3rd.
Agnes.
Answered.
Judge Sherry cops his questionswith just a yes.
He was very, didn't elaborate.
(32:56):
Okay.
in court, Jeffrey's family saidthe plea was a relief because
Hagnis would never leave prisonand they would be spared weeks
if explicit testimony.
Sure.
And that's
Stephanie (33:08):
the truth.
Dani (33:09):
Like now, if he's gonna sit there and rot forever, boom.
No motive was offered in court.
Stephanie (33:18):
Mm.
Dani (33:19):
And the arson charge was dismissed as part of the
agreement.
Sure.
So this guy's going away.
Bye.
I'm tell, I've been holding ontothis story for a long time, uh,
because I couldn't find.
(33:44):
When I looked up Hagnis recordwith IDOC, he was not pulling
up.
Oh, that's a big part of mystorytelling.
I always, one of the firstthings that I do when
researching is I just go to IDOCand see their status, where
they're at.
(34:05):
Are they out?
Are they dead?
Are they.
Just, are they in Arizona?
Right?
Have they been shipped out?
Where are they at?
I'm not kidding.
There was nothing out there.
So I've just been kind ofsitting on it, but then one day
I was like, oh, I wanna justcheck.
(34:25):
And I checked.
So I do have, I, I will havesome kind of resolution, but uh,
and that's leading into thispart.
Hmm.
So he's rotting in jail for therest of his life.
Stephanie (34:41):
Okay?
Dani (34:42):
Okay.
But in early 2015, 45-year-oldHagnis appeared on the ADA
County jail roster on a newcharge of assaulting a
corrections officer at a prisonin South Boise.
According to spokesman PatrickOrr, the incident happened on
(35:02):
October 30th at about, six 30 inthe morning.
A corrections officer wasfeeding inmates through door
openings.
When Hagnis complained about atoilet problem in his cell, the
officer told him to move to theback.
Security opened the door and theofficer stepped inside to talk
with him.
Mm-hmm.
(35:23):
Moments later, the officer saidHagnis attacked the officer took
him to the ground and additionalstaff arrive and restrained him.
The officer suffered facialinjuries.
And on January 6th, ADA Countyprosecutors issued an arrest
warrant for felony assault andbattery on certain personnel,
(35:48):
and you got five year, anotherfive year prison term for that,
which makes me think that thatis the why I couldn't find even
when I did find him.
Now, lemme just tell you.
Todd Hagnis is currently 56years old and residing in other
(36:08):
jail according to the ID IDocswebsite.
Other, other, what the fuck isthat?
Uh, let me show you exactly.
Look.
Oh, I didn't snap it from today.
(36:30):
Just as in custody.
But, that is so weird when Ilooked at it today.
'cause this, I did look inAugust.
I've been just checking on himand checking on him, and I
started this way earlier thanthat.
but it literally says otherjail.
He's located in other jail,located
Stephanie (36:51):
other,
Dani (36:52):
other
Stephanie (36:53):
jail.
none of the
Dani (36:54):
above, almost.
Stephanie (36:55):
Okay.
Dani (36:56):
W this is the first time that this has ever happened.
So what I see is, you know,different correctional
facilities in Idaho andsometimes other states.
Right.
Arizona, Arizona's the big onefor us.
Mm-hmm.
we have a contract with themwhere we ship our long-term
inmates down there.
To the desert.
Um, the other desert.
(37:17):
The other desert.
but yeah, I just thought it wasso weird that I couldn't locate
him in any facility.
That is super strange.
Stephanie (37:27):
What's really going on here?
Dani (37:29):
Kind of.
Yeah.
And I'm just saying it probablyhas to do something with him.
assaulting a correctionalofficer.
Yeah.
I'm just, no shit.
I mean, it sounded like it was abad deal.
Fuck you Hagnis.
You can't go around killingroommates, but also sketchy on
(37:49):
the IDOC.
Where's he at?
Stephanie (37:52):
Yeah.
So this is a, a case that's fullof question marks because
Dani (37:59):
we don't know why.
Yes, there is no, why no motivethere.
In some of my research, therewas talk about some, medications
used for mental illness.
Possibly.
Sure.
I would have to think.
I think just crazy.
A mental illness kind of getacross.
There's some people that arejust, they don't give a fuck.
(38:22):
So like
Stephanie (38:22):
psychopathic or sociopathic?
Yeah.
Versus like depression, anxiety,right.
Things like that.
Dani (38:29):
He literally started his house on fire called 9 1 1.
Stephanie (38:34):
And it was like, yeah, it might complicate it
with the bodies, but if youwanna put the fire out, but
there is those bodies.
Yeah.
What,
Dani (38:45):
say what?
Stephanie (38:47):
Yeah.
'cause it does sound like whatyou had mentioned that it was
maybe two to four months priorthat the this had happened.
Yeah.
And if you've gotten along thatfar.
Without a big missing personcase and search and police
inquiries and warrants andsearches and all that shit, why?
(39:09):
Or if you lit the house on fire.
I can kind of understand that,and this is all me trying to
understand so I can understandthat.
But why are we calling the copsand being like.
Whoops.
Bring the
Dani (39:22):
cadaver dogs,
Stephanie (39:23):
bring the ca cadaver dogs to the house fire
Dani (39:26):
though.
Mm-hmm.
What?
you're not just gonna need afire engine, you're gonna need
dogs that find dead things.
Why?
Yes.
So a lot going on.
No motive.
I just thought that, for me,this story was interesting.
A'cause I couldn't find him.
(39:46):
That was my biggest thing.
Yeah, that's super suspicious.
I'm what?
Like he literally wouldn't showup.
Literally would not show up onIDOC.
Like
Stephanie (39:56):
for months.
Dani (39:57):
What the fuck?
It was just like not, thisdoesn't exist.
That'd be like me typing in myname or your name.
And IDOC.
We're not, I don't know.
I've known you for a long time,Steph.
I don't have, I don't have aprison ID number, knock on wood.
Okay.
Uh, so.
You can search anybody that'sbeen in IDOC and if they're out
(40:17):
or not.
It just tells you, this guyobviously did the crime.
Stephanie (40:22):
Yeah.
Like
Dani (40:22):
this is a thing whole, it has been there.
So for me not to even be able tolocate him was weird.
And it does say on the website,if you're unable to locate and
contact, I'm 40 cases in.
I have never found that to bethe case.
This was the one guy.
Yeah.
Very strange.
and then I found that he had.
(40:43):
Assaulted an officer and I waslike, oh.
So I just kept checking on himbecause I feel like that's the
final point of my stories allthe time is just to, Hey, lemme
tell you how old they are, lemmetell you where they're at.
Are they dead?
Whatever.
And this guy, I had noresolution, so I was just like,
I'm just gonna let this sithere.
And he finally popped up.
(41:05):
But now he's in other gel,
Stephanie (41:07):
other,
Dani (41:08):
other gel.
I dunno, I guess I could beballsy and reach out to IDOC
'cause you can, but I, you'renot
Stephanie (41:16):
always the best response.
I think we've tried, haven't youtried that before?
I feel like you have.
Dani (41:20):
Uh, I've reached out for a few things unless you, you know,
dot your i's and cross your t'sa certain way and they're like,
eh, go fuck yourself.
So
Stephanie (41:29):
they're like, we don't know what the fuck about
shit.
Mm-hmm.
Dani (41:32):
But also this was, uh, 2015, so, uh.
Within the last 10 years.
Stephanie (41:38):
Yeah, that's my bad.
I'm just
Dani (41:39):
like, why do we not have, like, where are
Stephanie (41:42):
you
Dani (41:43):
bitch?
Yeah.
Why don't we have more, uh,motive?
I don't know.
I just feel like we should havehad more.
Stephanie (41:55):
Yeah, there should have been more deeds for sure.
Something that cell, their cellphone records were definitely a
thing.
Dani (42:02):
Yeah.
And maybe it's just they didn'tneed it because he is like,
yeah, I mean they had him, I didit.
Yeah, they had him dead torights on it.
I mean, he is like, you mightwanna look for dead bodies at my
house.
Stephanie (42:14):
Fucking weird.
Dani (42:15):
So,
Stephanie (42:15):
yeah.
Alright Danny, well thank youfor another very intriguing
Idaho case.
Thank you guys at home forfollowing, liking, subscribing,
comments on tiktoks.
We have so much fun.
Thank you guys for commentingthe cutest and most hilarious
things ever.
(42:35):
that's all I've got.
Danny.
Anything else?
Dani (42:38):
No, that's all I got.
Bye.
Alright, bye.
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Harry,
We are not technical girlies.
Stephanie (00:03):
No, we're not.
We need an audio video person.
Dani (00:09):
We just are.
We're doing our jam.
We got this.
Stephanie (00:12):
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Dani (00:24):
Okay.
Stephanie (00:25):
Alright folks.
Not your fault at all.
It's um, I don't know whosefault it is really.
Dani (00:32):
It's probably the demons.
Stephanie (00:34):
Yes, we have had a demon problem, that's for sure.
And it's spooky season, so
Dani (00:40):
maybe that's it.
Let's go.
Cheers
Stephanie (00:41):
to spooky season everyone.
I hope you're having a lovelyease into fall.
I feel like it's been reallynice here.
Mm-hmm.
As far as like, I love that fallI saw a TikTok that's like fall
is not crazy like these otherseasons.
Like a very demure and mindfulYes.
Yeah.
She's easing into it.
(01:03):
It's getting the leaves get alittle crispy.
They start changing colors
Dani (01:07):
but my tomatoes aren't dead yet.
I'm loving it.
Stephanie (01:10):
Well, a win-win, win-win, win, win.
Um, so yeah, hope you guys aredoing great.
We're doing awesome.
We just recorded two tiktoks.
That's a lot for us.
That's a big word for Elmo.
Truly it fucking.
(01:31):
It is a lot.
So we,
Dani (01:33):
but we do enjoy.
I, I fucking love it.
It's fun.
Stephanie (01:35):
It's super fun, but it's it's so much harder than it
looks It's crazy.
Dani (01:40):
Kudos to, uh, creators that can nail it every time.
Absolutely.
Because we do not nail it every
Stephanie (01:45):
time.
I think it probably took us 16times this time, and that's
okay.
We're here to win.
We're here.
We're here to get it done andget it done right.
We're just doing our best.
We're just really doing ourbest, you guys, and we're poor.
So just kidding.
No, but really, anyway, Dannyhas another story for us today.
(02:07):
What is on the table?
Dani (02:11):
Well, in 2007, a small house fire near the Boise
Airport.
caught fire officers.
Found the tenant on the porchwith a beer and a lighter uh oh.
What began as an arson callturned into a double homicide
(02:32):
when crews uncovered two bodies,one in the crawl space and one
in the yard.
This is how a porch fire leddetectives to buried victims.
And a confession
Stephanie (02:45):
well shit
Dani (02:46):
sources used in today's episode.
That bitch, the Idaho statesman,
Stephanie (02:50):
love you girl.
Dani (03:23):
On April 26th, 2007, Boise Police arrested 38-year-old Todd
c Hagnis after a house fire nearthe Boise Airport.
The fire started around 9:25 AMaccording to spokesperson, Lynn
Hightower.
Remember Lynn Hightower?
Oh, I do.
Lynn Hightower.
What a great name for you.
(03:43):
I know she was on the news andthen she went to.
Be like the spokesperson for theBoise Police Department, right?
Yes, she
Stephanie (03:50):
did.
Yep.
Dani (03:51):
But we know her from the news.
Stephanie (03:54):
You know, we, we get really connected to our news
folks here in Idaho.
They stay
Dani (03:58):
forever.
Stephanie (03:59):
Larry Bert, anyone rest in peace?
RIPI
Dani (04:07):
Mm-hmm.
Because he is near and dear topeople here.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Cruz found hagnis on the porch,swing near the flames, holding a
beer, a lighter and a phone.
Oh, Hagnis Lived on the 1500block of Heisel Street and was
booked into the ADA County Jailfor felony first degree arson.
Detectives said they were stillworking.
(04:29):
To learn how the fire startedand whether it connected to
other crimes on the property.
Hightower said there was more tothe story than a house fire.
Stephanie (04:39):
Sounds like it.
Dani (04:40):
During questioning, Hagnis gave information that led
detectives to believe twohomicides had occurred inside
the home.
Stephanie (04:49):
Okay?
Dani (04:49):
Hagnis was held on a million dollar bond for arson.
Investigators found what theybelieved were human remains in
the crawlspace because of theseriousness of the suspected
crimes and the condition of theevidence.
The search was meticulous andmethodical.
Thank goodness.
(05:10):
Police said they had partialidentities for the possible
victims, both acquaintances ofHagnis.
Mm, and they also found the bodyof a small dog beneath the
house.
What the dog doing.
What the dog doing there.
Right?
Because if
Stephanie (05:26):
you, if your dog dies, are what, when are you
ever burying your dog underneaththe house?
The backyard.
Sure.
On your property?
Yeah.
That's odd.
I don't like it.
Dani (05:42):
Police said evidence suggested two murders had
occurred and named Hagnis asuspect.
Investigators began collectingevidence at the home located
near Victory Road and FederalWay.
Just to kind of give you an ideawhere I was sitting in Boise,
they also believe Hagnis was theanonymous caller who phoned nine
one one at 7:19 AM saying thepolice would be busy, I would
(06:07):
need cadaver dogs.
And then he later called toreport the fire.
Stephanie (06:13):
Hi, I'm not me.
And I saw something suspiciousthat was not me, but was someone
else at not my house.
And not my house.
I could see the house though,but I don't live there.
Dani (06:28):
Not me.
Stephanie (06:30):
I wish we could get these 9 1 1 calls.
Dani (06:32):
Oh my God.
Does.
It sounds like
Stephanie (06:34):
the jig was up before it even began.
Dani (06:36):
It really was.
I mean, and he goes in there andhe is like, oh, by the way.
Those cadaver dogs, they're fortwo dead bodies.
Like he's just spilling.
He's spilling just enough tomake them go look right.
This is so
Stephanie (06:53):
strange
Dani (06:54):
because a house fire wouldn't immediately, uh, I'm
sure firefighters are not like,oh, there's a house fire.
Let's go check for cadavers.
Stephanie (07:03):
No, not at all.
That is not the priority.
Dani (07:05):
No.
Let's get the fire out.
Are you okay sir?
Sorry about your luck.
Okay.
Call your insurance company.
Stephanie (07:14):
Mm-hmm.
That's a typical, they're notlike, um,
Dani (07:16):
uh, well, I know you, did you get any dead bodies in
there?
Yeah.
I know you just had a fire, butit's our routine, uh, part of
our investigation to check for.
I just gotta ask.
Dead body.
Any dead bodies in the crawlspace, buried in the backyard.
You got a burn barrel.
Maybe you forgot about'em orsomething.
Stephanie (07:33):
Previous owner, you knew about some previous owners,
dead bodies.
Yeah.
Dani (07:36):
Can we just discuss this really quick and then we'll,
we'll get outta your hair?
No, no
Stephanie (07:40):
one's asking that.
It was because of him.
Dani (07:46):
This is a difficult, disturbing crime.
Captain Eugene Smith said, hedescribed the work at the home
as painstaking and methodical.
You are gonna hear methodicallike 50 times from each tonight.
Stephanie (08:00):
That's, and because that's the word that's been used
in articles again and again,
Dani (08:04):
neighbors said Hagnis lived with at least two other
men and possibly a woman.
And that the group kept a lowprofile neighbor David Berger
said he had not seen theroommates for several days.
He often saw them around abackyard fire pit and frequently
saw Hagnis walking his dog nextdoor, owner JP Phillips, Larry
(08:30):
said Hagnis mostly kept tohimself, relatives and a former
girlfriend till reporters, theywere not surprised by Hagnis
arrest.
Mm mm So something was a littleoff.
Something was off.
You know, you can portray thatsometimes you can get away with
(08:53):
it with people you work with.
Mm-hmm.
Neighbors.
But when, when us girlfriendsclose friends, family members
are like, yeah, we're notsurprised.
You can only mask so much.
Yes.
You can only mask so much.
Stephanie (09:11):
Yeah.
We've had a couple cases likethis, like where the one Oh.
So-and-so's talking about hismost recent murder, like where
they kind of knew that he hadmurdered someone and it was
like, oh, here he goes again outmurdering damn cousin Dave,
whoever the, yeah.
(09:31):
You know,
Dani (09:32):
it doesn't surprise me one bit.
Yeah.
Family members said Hagnis had atemper and problems with
alcohol, drugs and the law.
Oh.
Record showed.
And these are nothing big, butrecords showed a 2000 Utah
misdemeanor for a legalpossession of a controlled
substance and paraphernalia.
(09:52):
It was probably pot, uh, twoOregon misdemeanor contempt of
court convictions in 2004 and anoh six ADA County, an ADA county
misdemeanor battery case from adispute at an apartment complex.
Okay.
So we're escalating mm-hmm.
When we get to the misdemeanorbattery, but I mean, Hmm.
(10:12):
Everybody.
Pot was bad for everybody in2000.
Well, remember those
Stephanie (10:15):
times.
You know this, it's all about ifyou get caught or not.
I mean, listen, my earlytwenties, I don't know how I
didn't have maybe at least oneof those charges.
Take your pick one, spin thewheel, how it, it was purely
(10:38):
luck, which.
Listen, I'm not lucky on theslots.
I'm not lucky on the lotterytickets.
I guess that's where I got myluck because what a, what a
little hellion I was, I shouldhave had maybe a couple, couple
of those, a little one too.
Mm-hmm.
One or two of those didn't, notto any of my own brains and, and
skill, I'll tell you that much.
Dani (11:01):
Just pure luck.
When you said that, I just heardlike the clicking of like a
will.
Stephanie (11:06):
Yeah.
Like whose turn is I somehow.
We, we've all been a little bitof a shit show at some point in
our life,
Dani (11:15):
no doubt.
Uh, core papers hagnis listedtwo concrete company coworkers
as his nearest relatives.
What my bro, But one numberlisted reached someone who said
he didn't even know him.
Hana said, he had worked for aconcrete company, up till July,
(11:38):
2006.
I'm seeing some huge red flagshere.
Just why would you not list yourfamily members
Stephanie (11:50):
and you're listing two coworkers as your family
members?
Dani (11:55):
But also n possibly not even the right numbers.
He's making up phone numbers.
Like he meant like a man thatdoesn't wanna be found.
Yeah.
Stephanie (12:07):
Is what it sounds like.
Because listen, if you don'thave a brother, sister, or
mother f like that's okay.
I, I think a lot of people knownow that you might not talk to
those people.
There's a lot of reasons, but ifyour family is your coworker,
why would we have the wrongnumbers?
Strange.
Dani (12:29):
So the dog.
Stephanie (12:32):
Mm.
Dani (12:32):
While investigating detectives found a decaying dog
and freshly disturbed dirt, andby 11:00 PM that night, located
human remains not good at all.
This isn't looking good.
By day three, agencies had thecul-de-sac closed traffic while
(12:55):
they collected evidence in thebackyard.
Officers used ground penetratingradar and hand tools.
To sift soil and narrow theirsearch to a specific area.
The arson investigation,complicated evidence collection,
and the remains found on day onehad not yet been removed.
Stephanie (13:19):
I see.
And I've, I know that this is astandard way that people try to
cover up their crimes is bysetting a fire.
And I think a lot of it's prettyeffective because.
Think of a fire hose, you know,and everything that can wash
away and muddy up.
And it cannot wash away bonesand dead fire hose.
(13:40):
No, it can't.
It cannot at all.
But if there was,'cause a lot ofpeople think, oh, I'll just kill
someone in the living room andthen set the house on fire.
So they're easily caught, right?
Like.
Hm.
Yeah, that didn't work.
But it's still like other thingsthat you would've had like
footprints or other things.
Yeah.
It can wash away or mix updifferent DNAs that have been in
(14:01):
the house and put people's DNAon other things so that like you
don't wanna be blasting shitwith a fire hose, but they have
to.
Mm-hmm.
'cause they had to put the fireout, so.
Yep.
Dani (14:13):
Absolutely.
So while they're trying tosearch the other parts of the
house for where,'cause I don'tthink he was killing somebody in
the crawl space, that that wasnot where that started.
No.
So the fire definitelycomplicated.
Like they couldn't go and find
Stephanie (14:33):
blood spatter on the walls Correct.
And everything.
So, yeah, a hundred percent.
I get what you're saying.
Dani (14:39):
Hightower said detectives were building their case.
The home only measured 988square feet.
The owner said that to herknowledge, Hagnis was a sole
resident on a two year lease.
Mm.
That started in June of oh six,and it doesn't sound like that
was true
Stephanie (14:58):
for the neighbors.
That's a tiny house.
Yeah, especially for two, threeroommate.
I mean, I don't know yet, but itsounds like there was multiple
people in and out.
I don't know if they livedthere, but my first
Dani (15:09):
house was 800 square feet and two bedrooms.
The first house I purchased, itwas fucking tiny, but you know,
you can make that work.
It is what it is.
Throw another 188 feet on that,you definitely have more room.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It was definitely a onebathroom.
Stephanie (15:27):
And that's the roughest part of it.
Dani (15:29):
That is, mm-hmm.
On April 30th, investigatorsconfirmed a second body in the
northeast corner of the backyardat around 6:30 PM.
After a day of digging under ablue tarp and sifting through
soil screens, that is the worst.
And we saw this out at, with avelo case.
Stephanie (15:48):
Mm-hmm.
Dani (15:49):
They pop up that tent, and they're literally sifting dirt.
Stephanie (15:53):
Yeah.
Oh.
Not, I respect people in thisline of work, but.
I can't even imagine doing thatand like, thinking of the Vallow
case and the things that theyfound terrifying.
Horrifying.
(16:14):
Ugh.
I'd be physically ill.
And the, the shitty one aboutthat case is everyone, everyone
knew
Dani (16:21):
mm-hmm.
Stephanie (16:23):
If the, everyone with, you know, sure.
People wanna get the benefit ofthe doubt.
But why wouldn't you just showyour kids?
And I mean,'cause Idaho is oneof those states where you can
refuse medical care if forreligious reasons.
Mm-hmm.
And so if you can just show thatyour kid's alive, you have the
(16:45):
right to do whatever.
And if you're the custodialparent.
And so since that didn't happen,everyone should have probably
known.
But that doesn't change the factthat it's like.
Oh, we're in Chad's backyard.
In the little animal graveyard.
Dani (17:00):
Yeah,
Stephanie (17:01):
ill
Dani (17:03):
atrocious.
The body still covered with soilwas taken to the ADA County
morgue along with the dog'sbones.
Firefighters had to cut anexterior wall and pulled up
flooring to improve access tothe crawl space where the other
body remained.
(17:24):
Still there.
Damn.
Captain Smith said investigatorshad to be slow and methodical.
Methodical to be sure nothingwas missed.
Names, genders, condition of theremains and signs of trauma were
withheld from the public.
(17:44):
Autopsies were expected.
Within a few days.
Hagnis remained a suspect basedon his statements.
And about where the bodies mightbe found.
Of course, obviously, get yourcadaver dogs.
What an idiot.
Stephanie (18:01):
And just it make, if you're going to like murder
people, and it sounds like, Idon't know how long they've been
there or whatever, it doesn'tsound like there was a huge
investigation.
Why are you.
Kind of trying to do a miniarson, get rid of evidence, but
then not like, and
Dani (18:21):
then he initiated
Stephanie (18:21):
the call to nine
Dani (18:22):
one one.
Stephanie (18:23):
Yeah.
What are we doing?
I just to get, what's the logicof it isn't supposed
Dani (18:28):
to let the motherfucker burn
Stephanie (18:31):
or just, did he even have to burn it?
Like how much was suspicion ofthese missing people?
Like did anyone know they weremissing?
Could he have just lived lifefor five years there, or went on
his merry way to somewhere else?
Who knows?
Dani (18:46):
they had to bring in some animal welfare, people to help
remove other live animals fromthe property.
Stephanie (18:53):
Oh,
Dani (18:53):
reptiles from a back bedroom went to animal control,
fish and turtles from a frontyard, pond.
Went to a rescue group.
Okay.
Ponds are hard.
I'm just only giggling becauseponds are hard to take care of.
Extremely.
Especially in Idaho like thatactually have live fish.
(19:13):
Yeah.
And turtles in them.
Anyway, just a little.
No, you gotta really be on it.
On it.
Neighbor John Par said he andHagnis had a friendly flowerbed
competition.
He described Hagnis asneighborly and friendly,
sometimes a little loud at nightand said he had no idea anything
(19:35):
like this was happening.
He's into his yard.
Stephanie (19:42):
Well, and listen, with my neighbors, we've got one
neighbor that we're very closewith just'cause we knew them
before they moved in, and so ofcourse they're our favorite
neighbors.
what a blessing.
Let me just say, if you have afriend moving next to you, it's
so fucking cool.
It's like an adult, like not aslumber party, but just like
(20:04):
camp built in, friend rightthere.
If you're just, you don't wannago anywhere, but you just wanna
hang out and they're justamazing.
But, you know, we're we, we knowour neighbors, but it's very
high level, you know,
Dani (20:19):
so it sounds like he.
He was making he, he was makingfriends and had relationships
with some people to have afriendly gardening competition.
We don't know what that's like.
Yeah, that's more than most.
Yeah.
I'll say that.
Investigators expected to workthe scene another two or three
days.
Damn.
(20:39):
The even brought in portabletoilets and a mobile command
center just set up out in frontof the house as police prepare
to wrap up on the scene work.
Residents were looking foranswers.
Darcy Johnson, whose yard shareda fence with the property said
Hagnis like to garden and hewould toss her children's balls
(21:03):
back over the fence.
I mean, that's a ni we've had.
Look, if you've had kids and youhave that jerk neighbor.
That takes
Stephanie (21:14):
offense to it being in their yard.
Yeah.
You're not, your kids aren't,
Dani (21:17):
your kids aren't getting their, their stuff back
Stephanie (21:20):
at the very least, or at the most, you're getting a
visit or a screaming or anairborne.
Mm-hmm.
From a neighbor.
So yeah.
(21:41):
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Dani (22:59):
Access to the crawlspace body was gained Monday afternoon
and autopsies began.
In recent memory, this was themost time consuming and
difficult crime scene we hadencountered.
Captain Smith said,
Stephanie (23:14):
Hmm,
Dani (23:16):
can you, Ima like to get that body out from underneath?
They had to cut out walls andfloors.
Stephanie (23:25):
Yeah, I just, well, I just, and of course any crawl
space thing always brings me toJohn Wayne Gacy and everyone
knows that, but just thinking.
The work for two, in this case,I don't even remember how many
he had
Dani (23:40):
and I just, off the top, I wanna say it was 17, but I could
be wrong.
It, it was a lot.
It was more than 10.
Stephanie (23:46):
I'm pretty sure it was a lot.
So, but just thinking of, I justtrying to put myself in the mind
of someone like this where it'slike, oh, whoopsy killed
someone, or you know.
Your little urges got too far.
Like that's not me.
But if I did and I decided toput a body in a crawl space and
(24:07):
seeing how difficult that wouldbe, imagine digging with no head
room and like how gross crawlspaces are, how little room
there is.
And he did it that many times towhere he was running out of
fucking room essentially.
And now we've got this guythat's like.
(24:27):
I don't know when the murdershappened, but you did it once
and you're doing it again.
I guess this is one, I wouldn'tdo it at all, but I'm too
fucking lazy for that shit.
I'm not going in a crawl spacefor shit I, if my life depends
on it.
Maybe.
But if I don't ever think we'vegot friends that would that know
(24:50):
how to do trades, if it's HVACor whatever, I'm not getting in
a fucking crawlspace to bury abody.
Dani (24:57):
I don't think I've ever, I'm just really all the
Stephanie (24:59):
true crime we listen to crawlspace is that if you
were a different person, aserial killer, no body going in
your crawl space, no desertdemon.
Fuck.
Desert is correct though.
(25:22):
Or just, I mean, hello, FrankChurch Wilderness.
Dani (25:26):
That's too far to travel.
I got the why.
He's right here and I'm not.
If you plan,
Stephanie (25:30):
if you planned it, you could have time to travel.
Inconspicuously.
Dani (25:35):
We could go fishing, climb Martinez.
on May 3rd, the ADA Countycoroner said the man and woman
fan at the Heisel Street Homehad been killed several weeks
earlier and were roommates ofthe suspect.
Jodi Collingsworth, age 36, diedfrom a slash wound to the throat
(25:58):
and she was the body that wasfound in the crawlspace
horrific.
Jeffrey Allen Willett, age 48,died from a blunt force blow to
the head, and he was found inthe backyard.
Stephanie (26:12):
What the hell is happening in this house?
Both had, go ahead, but can Ijust say.
I'm not trying to make light ofanything, but you said she was
the one that was buried first.
Um, maybe.
Maybe, because in my opinion,trying to bury a body in the
(26:34):
crawl space and then why youwould do it in the backyard for
the next one.
It seems logical to me, so just,uh, we'll put a pin in that
Dani (26:45):
Jeffrey Allen Willett 48, died from a blunt force blow to
the head and was found in thebackyard.
Both had additional injuries andwere badly decomposed.
They've been there A hot minuteearly.
Evidence suggested Cosworth diedfirst.
So Jodi, you nailed it Diedfirst.
(27:12):
She was identified by tattoosand will it by fingerprints?
Police said both were part-timeroommates at the house rendered
by Hagnis.
Stephanie (27:23):
And again, I just, for this guy to call the cops
and clue it in.
So for one, if you had them bothin the crawl space.
And you're able to keep upneighborly and tenant
relationships if you have a coollandlord and they're never
coming by, even if they arecoming by.
No one's checking yourcrawlspace for bodies.
(27:47):
No, this, I feel like this couldhave went on and been unsolved
for years.
Dani (27:54):
There's something that triggered him to start that fire
and who knows what's going on inhis brain.
Um.
It is just sad though.
I mean these two innocent, theythought he was probably their
friend and roommate and Yeah,
Stephanie (28:11):
and maybe, I'm not sure how the missing person
case, if there was missingperson cases for these two, and
even if there wasn't, thatdoesn't mean anything.
It's just missing person we knowis all about how forceful the
family is and friends are andsometimes.
Police tell you things to makeyou think that you can't keep
pushing for it regardless.
(28:32):
So if it was that type ofsituation, this could have went
maybe forever.
Dani (28:41):
Just continue gardening.
Yeah.
Stephanie (28:42):
Oh, so and so these free, free spirits must have
went to Cancun or to Jamaica oryou know, lemme tell you.
Tell me about it.
Dani (28:54):
Will, it's ex-wife, Juul.
Said he had been trying to gethis life back on track and that
he was a caring father and ahard worker, and this is the ex
saying this, so.
Mm-hmm.
You know, uh, he accepted peoplewithout a thought.
The father of four and agrandfather of four had lived in
(29:15):
the Treasure Valley for nearly20 years.
He worked a long stand as a pitcrew chief at Meridian Speedway.
Love it.
And more recently.
He was working, doing electricalwork at a trailer construction
company in Boise.
She said he had battledalcoholism, but was improving,
(29:35):
but she became concerned when hemissed their son's 18th birthday
and stopped showing up for work.
Uh oh.
Jules said she knew Hagnis andfelt uncomfortable around him.
She recalled him feeding a livebaby rabbit to a snake in front
of her child.
(29:55):
Officials.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
There's some red flags there.
Yeah.
officials said they only locateda relative for collingsworth,
and that relative wasincarcerated outta state.
So not a whole lot on Jody.
Mm-hmm.
As far as her background, butJeffrey Willett.
He had kids.
(30:17):
It sounded like his ex-wife andhim had a decent An agreement.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A decent relationship.
She wasn't like, go fuckyourself.
She's like, oh, there was someweird things going on over
there, but you know, he's a gooddad.
Stephanie (30:30):
Mm-hmm.
Dani (30:31):
When he didn't call our son.
Definitely red flag.
Red flag.
Yep.
In early June, a grand juryindicted hagnis on two counts of
first degree murder.
The filing suggested Jodi mayhave been killed as early as
December 30th, 2006.
(30:51):
Oh, shit.
Yeah, On June 13th, Hagnispleaded not guilty In fourth
district court.
Prosecutors then filed notice toseek the death penalty.
They argued the crimes wereespecially heinous and showed an
utter disregard for human life.
(31:13):
They also said that there wasevidence that Jeffrey May have
been killed because he was apotential witness to Jody's
earlier murder.
Uh oh.
He probably was like, what'sgoing on with that?
Stephanie (31:26):
Yeah, no shit.
Dani (31:28):
Police and prosecutors said Hagnis may have lived in
the rental for up to four monthswith Jodi in the crawl space.
Sounds like it.
Allegation includes slashingJodi's throat sometime between
December 30th oh six and Marchoh seven and killing Jeffrey by
(31:50):
blunt force and burying himbetween March 31st and April
26th.
They're not exactly sure ofthese dates, but I do believe
that Jodi was killed wayearlier.
Stephanie (32:03):
I believe so as well.
'cause I can see how this wouldescalate.
Dani (32:09):
On January 29th, 2008, Hagnis avoided a possible death
sentence by pleading guilty tokilling his roommates and
burying them before setting thehome on fire.
Prosecutors dropped the deathpenalty request in exchange for
the guilty pleas on two countsof second degree murder for
Jeffrey Willett and JodyCollingsworth hagnis admitted to
(32:35):
the murders and agreed to lifein prison without the
possibility of parole on March3rd.
Agnes.
Answered.
Judge Sherry cops his questionswith just a yes.
He was very, didn't elaborate.
(32:56):
Okay.
in court, Jeffrey's family saidthe plea was a relief because
Hagnis would never leave prisonand they would be spared weeks
if explicit testimony.
Sure.
And that's
Stephanie (33:08):
the truth.
Dani (33:09):
Like now, if he's gonna sit there and rot forever, boom.
No motive was offered in court.
Stephanie (33:18):
Mm.
Dani (33:19):
And the arson charge was dismissed as part of the
agreement.
Sure.
So this guy's going away.
Bye.
I'm tell, I've been holding ontothis story for a long time, uh,
because I couldn't find.
(33:44):
When I looked up Hagnis recordwith IDOC, he was not pulling
up.
Oh, that's a big part of mystorytelling.
I always, one of the firstthings that I do when
researching is I just go to IDOCand see their status, where
they're at.
(34:05):
Are they out?
Are they dead?
Are they.
Just, are they in Arizona?
Right?
Have they been shipped out?
Where are they at?
I'm not kidding.
There was nothing out there.
So I've just been kind ofsitting on it, but then one day
I was like, oh, I wanna justcheck.
(34:25):
And I checked.
So I do have, I, I will havesome kind of resolution, but uh,
and that's leading into thispart.
Hmm.
So he's rotting in jail for therest of his life.
Stephanie (34:41):
Okay?
Dani (34:42):
Okay.
But in early 2015, 45-year-oldHagnis appeared on the ADA
County jail roster on a newcharge of assaulting a
corrections officer at a prisonin South Boise.
According to spokesman PatrickOrr, the incident happened on
(35:02):
October 30th at about, six 30 inthe morning.
A corrections officer wasfeeding inmates through door
openings.
When Hagnis complained about atoilet problem in his cell, the
officer told him to move to theback.
Security opened the door and theofficer stepped inside to talk
with him.
Mm-hmm.
(35:23):
Moments later, the officer saidHagnis attacked the officer took
him to the ground and additionalstaff arrive and restrained him.
The officer suffered facialinjuries.
And on January 6th, ADA Countyprosecutors issued an arrest
warrant for felony assault andbattery on certain personnel,
(35:48):
and you got five year, anotherfive year prison term for that,
which makes me think that thatis the why I couldn't find even
when I did find him.
Now, lemme just tell you.
Todd Hagnis is currently 56years old and residing in other
(36:08):
jail according to the ID IDocswebsite.
Other, other, what the fuck isthat?
Uh, let me show you exactly.
Look.
Oh, I didn't snap it from today.
(36:30):
Just as in custody.
But, that is so weird when Ilooked at it today.
'cause this, I did look inAugust.
I've been just checking on himand checking on him, and I
started this way earlier thanthat.
but it literally says otherjail.
He's located in other jail,located
Stephanie (36:51):
other,
Dani (36:52):
other
Stephanie (36:53):
jail.
none of the
Dani (36:54):
above, almost.
Stephanie (36:55):
Okay.
Dani (36:56):
W this is the first time that this has ever happened.
So what I see is, you know,different correctional
facilities in Idaho andsometimes other states.
Right.
Arizona, Arizona's the big onefor us.
Mm-hmm.
we have a contract with themwhere we ship our long-term
inmates down there.
To the desert.
Um, the other desert.
(37:17):
The other desert.
but yeah, I just thought it wasso weird that I couldn't locate
him in any facility.
That is super strange.
Stephanie (37:27):
What's really going on here?
Dani (37:29):
Kind of.
Yeah.
And I'm just saying it probablyhas to do something with him.
assaulting a correctionalofficer.
Yeah.
I'm just, no shit.
I mean, it sounded like it was abad deal.
Fuck you Hagnis.
You can't go around killingroommates, but also sketchy on
(37:49):
the IDOC.
Where's he at?
Stephanie (37:52):
Yeah.
So this is a, a case that's fullof question marks because
Dani (37:59):
we don't know why.
Yes, there is no, why no motivethere.
In some of my research, therewas talk about some, medications
used for mental illness.
Possibly.
Sure.
I would have to think.
I think just crazy.
A mental illness kind of getacross.
There's some people that arejust, they don't give a fuck.
(38:22):
So like
Stephanie (38:22):
psychopathic or sociopathic?
Yeah.
Versus like depression, anxiety,right.
Things like that.
Dani (38:29):
He literally started his house on fire called 9 1 1.
Stephanie (38:34):
And it was like, yeah, it might complicate it
with the bodies, but if youwanna put the fire out, but
there is those bodies.
Yeah.
What,
Dani (38:45):
say what?
Stephanie (38:47):
Yeah.
'cause it does sound like whatyou had mentioned that it was
maybe two to four months priorthat the this had happened.
Yeah.
And if you've gotten along thatfar.
Without a big missing personcase and search and police
inquiries and warrants andsearches and all that shit, why?
(39:09):
Or if you lit the house on fire.
I can kind of understand that,and this is all me trying to
understand so I can understandthat.
But why are we calling the copsand being like.
Whoops.
Bring the
Dani (39:22):
cadaver dogs,
Stephanie (39:23):
bring the ca cadaver dogs to the house fire
Dani (39:26):
though.
Mm-hmm.
What?
you're not just gonna need afire engine, you're gonna need
dogs that find dead things.
Why?
Yes.
So a lot going on.
No motive.
I just thought that, for me,this story was interesting.
A'cause I couldn't find him.
(39:46):
That was my biggest thing.
Yeah, that's super suspicious.
I'm what?
Like he literally wouldn't showup.
Literally would not show up onIDOC.
Like
Stephanie (39:56):
for months.
Dani (39:57):
What the fuck?
It was just like not, thisdoesn't exist.
That'd be like me typing in myname or your name.
And IDOC.
We're not, I don't know.
I've known you for a long time,Steph.
I don't have, I don't have aprison ID number, knock on wood.
Okay.
Uh, so.
You can search anybody that'sbeen in IDOC and if they're out
(40:17):
or not.
It just tells you, this guyobviously did the crime.
Stephanie (40:22):
Yeah.
Like
Dani (40:22):
this is a thing whole, it has been there.
So for me not to even be able tolocate him was weird.
And it does say on the website,if you're unable to locate and
contact, I'm 40 cases in.
I have never found that to bethe case.
This was the one guy.
Yeah.
Very strange.
and then I found that he had.
(40:43):
Assaulted an officer and I waslike, oh.
So I just kept checking on himbecause I feel like that's the
final point of my stories allthe time is just to, Hey, lemme
tell you how old they are, lemmetell you where they're at.
Are they dead?
Whatever.
And this guy, I had noresolution, so I was just like,
I'm just gonna let this sithere.
And he finally popped up.
(41:05):
But now he's in other gel,
Stephanie (41:07):
other,
Dani (41:08):
other gel.
I dunno, I guess I could beballsy and reach out to IDOC
'cause you can, but I, you'renot
Stephanie (41:16):
always the best response.
I think we've tried, haven't youtried that before?
I feel like you have.
Dani (41:20):
Uh, I've reached out for a few things unless you, you know,
dot your i's and cross your t'sa certain way and they're like,
eh, go fuck yourself.
So
Stephanie (41:29):
they're like, we don't know what the fuck about
shit.
Mm-hmm.
Dani (41:32):
But also this was, uh, 2015, so, uh.
Within the last 10 years.
Stephanie (41:38):
Yeah, that's my bad.
I'm just
Dani (41:39):
like, why do we not have, like, where are
Stephanie (41:42):
you
Dani (41:43):
bitch?
Yeah.
Why don't we have more, uh,motive?
I don't know.
I just feel like we should havehad more.
Stephanie (41:55):
Yeah, there should have been more deeds for sure.
Something that cell, their cellphone records were definitely a
thing.
Dani (42:02):
Yeah.
And maybe it's just they didn'tneed it because he is like,
yeah, I mean they had him, I didit.
Yeah, they had him dead torights on it.
I mean, he is like, you mightwanna look for dead bodies at my
house.
Stephanie (42:14):
Fucking weird.
Dani (42:15):
So,
Stephanie (42:15):
yeah.
Alright Danny, well thank youfor another very intriguing
Idaho case.
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(42:35):
that's all I've got.
Danny.
Anything else?
Dani (42:38):
No, that's all I got.
Bye.
Alright, bye.
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