October 26, 2025 • 52 mins
Get ready for another unbelievable tale as Dani and Stephanie dive into the 2015 Boise triple homicide committed by a champ of criminal stupidity, Adam Dees. We'll unpack the tragic story of the Welp family and how a foolhardy attempt at robbery turned into a horrifying crime. Think stolen credit cards, useless disguises, and the worst escape plan you've ever heard. We also highlight the heroic victims and the fast-paced investigation that led to Dees's capture, all while sprinkling in a bit of cheeky commentary on criminal incompetence.
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Stephanie (00:00):
But Danny, so.
I don't, I remember this casethat, that you're doing a little
bit.
I'm not good at remembering allthe details of cases and stuff,
but I remember hearing about itwhen it was going on and the
guy's name is Dees.
So I have to by law say Dees
Dani (00:18):
nuts.
Um, and then she said, how doyou spell that?
And I said, DEES.
And she's like, oh shit.
His last name is really Dees.
Yes, it is.
D nuts.
Stephanie (00:30):
So, um, D Nuts are sponsoring this podcast.
Dani (00:36):
Uh, let me tell you about a fucker.
This guy's a no good guy.
You ready?
Yes, I am.
Ready.
in 2015 in a Boise Foothillshome, a welfare check on
Cartwright Road turned into atriple homicide.
The sheriff called heinous.
Within a day, a 22-year-oldwalked up into Best Buy for a
(01:00):
stereo bought with a victim'scredit card.
The episode follows the Welpfamily and their senseless
murders by Adam Dees.
Sources used in today's episodeare articles from the Idaho
Statesman.
Thank you.
(01:47):
Late on March 10th, 2015, afamily member checking 9,700
North Cartwright Road reportedsuspicious circumstances at the
residence.
Deputies arrived and found threeadults, deceased inside the
Sheriff's office, announced thedeaths at 8:40 PM holding back
(02:08):
details to protect leads.
And you know, it was a shit showup there.
Oh, I bet.
I mean, all the.
Everybody's like, what's goingon?
Mm-hmm.
So they had to announce it thatevening because there was just
much going on.
Police presence.
Mm-hmm.
And
Stephanie (02:23):
crime investigation.
All that.
Dani (02:26):
ADA County Sheriff Gary Rainey urged tips from anyone
who noticed someone who, quote,didn't seem to fit to call in
Rainey, confirmed no childrenlived at the home, and that it
was not a murder suicide.
Stephanie (02:43):
Because that is something that often happens
when there's oh, we haven'theard from these two or three
people in a few days.
Sometimes that is the case.
So it is good to know that itwas not that and that someone
did this well, and I
Dani (02:56):
also think that by saying that to the public of saying,
Hey, there's a risk out there.
Yes.
Stephanie (03:04):
Which is, so
Dani (03:05):
maybe you should give us your tips.
Very strategic.
Stephanie (03:08):
Absolutely
Dani (03:09):
right.
Putting some urgency
Stephanie (03:11):
on it.
This
Dani (03:11):
did not just happen in this house.
There's somebody else out there,so please call in your tips.
Thank you.
Yeah.
sheriff said that three peoplefound dead in the Boise
foothills home were killed in aheinous manner.
Quote, in my 31 years of lawenforcement, I have probably not
seen a bloodier or more violentmurder occur.
(03:32):
He said, calling the sceneterrible.
The victims, a woman and two menall related were killed sometime
between the evening of March 8thand the morning of March 10th.
When asked if the public shouldbe afraid, Rainey said quote.
It's a, it's sad for me to say,but yes.
Stephanie (03:55):
Well, there is a danger out there.
You know,
Dani (03:57):
somebody's out just murdering people.
Mm-hmm.
The next day on March 11th,Nampa resident Adam, Michael
Dees age 22, was arrested at theBoise Best Buy after he arrived
to pick up a car.
Stereo bought with a victim'scredit card.
Oh, you don't say.
(04:18):
Yeah.
I just think that super smartmove there.
Stephanie (04:23):
We've got a genius on our hands, folks.
Dani (04:26):
Yeah, I got a fucking credit card.
Let's go shop.
Stephanie (04:29):
Swiping it away and shopping.
In person at a place withsecurity cameras and
Dani (04:38):
they have your fucking car, bro.
Yes.
They've got your car, they'vegot your face.
I, I'm just gonna run into BestBuy.
Hey, do you think you caninstall this stereo?
Stephanie (04:46):
Because there's even other ways where, I mean, you
still should be never be using adead person's card because it
can be tracked to youeventually.
But I mean, if you orderedsomething online, got it shipped
to a different address than yourown or some type of like.
Maybe somewhere where you knewyou could go pick it up, you'd
have a little bit more, ananonymity there for a little bit
(05:06):
longer.
Dani (05:07):
No,
Stephanie (05:08):
in person
Dani (05:10):
with my car swiping away, swiping that card, sweepy
Stephanie (05:14):
swipe, and it's just so sad.
I can.
So cool.
I'm getting a car stereo now.
Hell yeah.
This is my first priority.
Fuck yeah, bro.
Let's go.
We're gonna be bumping.
Listen, I, I can appreciate theneed to bump at a certain age,
Dani (05:29):
right,
Stephanie (05:29):
but
Dani (05:31):
foolish.
He was booked on grand theft,forgery, and a misdemeanor
concealed weapon charge.
Ooh.
'cause you know, upon using adead person stolen credit card.
A gun in the vehicle is probably
Stephanie (05:51):
hello
Dani (05:52):
and just cherry on top.
When Dees was taken intocustody, detectives impounded
his black 2003 Subaru Legacystation wagon.
Stephanie (06:05):
We're bumping in the wagon though this, this is a
little, it did have
Dani (06:08):
a gold stripe
Stephanie (06:10):
that adds at least 15 horsepower from what I know
about cars.
As far as if you, if you have aracing stripe, at least 15
horsepower.
I had a gold stripe on it.
Two of them get, I mean, you're,you're fast.
Too fast.
Too furious at this point.
Drifting.
That was fucking
Dani (06:28):
awesome.
Oh, and investigators askedanyone who had seen that Subaru
near Cartwright Road or on thecentral bench earlier in the
week, and anyone approachedabout buying a.
Diamond ring to contact AdaCounty Dispatch.
Stephanie (06:45):
Oh, we are getting glitz and glammed.
We are getting the bling blinghe's doing living large.
Somebody watched too many Fastand Furious or rap music videos
and I love rock music videosmyself.
But
Dani (07:03):
no, he was,
Stephanie (07:04):
he was putting it
Dani (07:05):
out there.
He was
Stephanie (07:07):
living large.
Dani (07:10):
The neighbors began to identify the family.
Oh, this is so, okay.
The victims were Theodore TedWelp, age 80, no, Dolores Elaine
Welp, age 77, and their sonThomas Welp, age 52.
(07:31):
The Whelps had recently movedback to Boise from the Tucson
area with their son Thomas.
And Thomas was mostly deaf, sojust that even makes it sadder
for me, me, right.
Elaine was originally from Idahoand she came from an old Chalice
(07:51):
family, so probably old money.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and Ted, a Santa ClaraUniversity graduate.
Rose to senior Vice president atTucson Electric Power in 1974.
Wow.
And this is, this isinteresting.
And he became known for hisaggressive wholesale power
(08:12):
deals.
Stephanie (08:12):
Really?
Okay.
Dani (08:14):
He was credited with inventing us wholesale
electricity trading.
Stephanie (08:19):
That's a big deal.
Dani (08:21):
I know a thing or two about power.
That's why I thought you'd findthat interesting.
Thomas, their son, um, attendedNTID studying computer science
and worked for IBM and he lovedhis horses, frosty and monsoon,
who were his eyes and ears forthe outdoors.
He was a big outdoor loverdespite his, blindness and
(08:45):
deafness.
he was out there.
Running cattle and
Stephanie (08:49):
and how brave is that?
Dani (08:50):
I'd be so fucking scared.
Stephanie (08:51):
I'm scared of it.
And I can see in here.
Dani (08:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm really, those arepretty animals on my farm.
I, I was the most scared ofcows.
They're large and in charge.
Mm-hmm.
As far as I'm concerned.
Anyway.
I'd be so scared, but he reallydid love those horses and they
were his eyes and ears outthere.
Stephanie (09:08):
And I think horses are really intuitive and they
kind of know.
So that's just really cool tohear that.
Dani (09:17):
No ELPs are good people.
They led the Dove Foundationdonating to Christian
organizations and centers forthe deaf and blind, including
Bishop Kelly High School andongoing support to a
non-denominational chapel inStanley.
They also donated$475,000 to thefoundation fighting blindness.
Stephanie (09:40):
Dang.
Dani (09:42):
Yeah.
Stephanie (09:43):
They weren't kidding around.
No.
Very passionate.
I love and had the money to,yeah.
I love
Dani (09:49):
full.
Yeah.
Say the word for me.
I love full land therapists.
Did I do it right?
You did.
Thank you.
Stephanie (09:59):
Philanthropists.
We love you.
Dani (10:01):
I wanna ha, I wanna be that.
Or
Stephanie (10:03):
you can just dump some
Dani (10:06):
money and make a difference and with some money,
make a real difference insomething.
Ah, I wanna do that anyway.
Still gotta pay my mortgagethough, first.
Mm-hmm.
Some bitch shucks at a familystatement through James Nehi,
(10:26):
husband of their daughterCatherine.
Asked for privacy and thank thepublic for prayers.
And later the family.
Thank the sheriff's office andurged anyone with information to
please call detectives.
Yeah.
Stephanie (10:39):
cause what the hell,
Dani (10:41):
Their neighbor John said the Whelps had moved in within
the past year.
He hadn't met them yet, but hadnoticed recent construction
being done at the home.
John said, quote, this couldhappen anywhere.
It just happened in our neck ofthe woods.
So this is.
Stephanie (11:01):
But this doesn't, I, I appreciate that comment
because it is a good reminderbecause in Idaho generally the
crime is really low, but youknow, it does happen.
Like I think we've both hadpeople close to us that have
been affected by terribleviolence.
Dani (11:20):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (11:21):
And it's a, I think it's a good reminder, you know,
that.
Yes.
People say you don't have tolock your doors at night here.
That's just pure luck.
You know, you have less of achance, but lock why?
Why not lock your doors?
Yep.
And it really can.
(11:41):
Yeah.
This isn't victim blaming orwhatever.
It's just these are the type ofthings that could deter someone
and, oh, Steph,
Dani (11:52):
just wait.
Oh shucks.
On March 12th, Dee's Bell wasset at$2 million.
Stephanie (12:02):
Damn.
Dani (12:03):
Deputy Prosecutor Brian Noggle asked for 3 million, but
defense attorney Isaiah Goviacalled the bell quote
outrageously high.
Stephanie (12:14):
What are we talking about?
He's bling, blinging out hishands.
He's bumping up his, he hasn'tbeen
Dani (12:19):
charged with anything.
He's only been charged with.
The credit card stuff.
Mm-hmm.
And the burglary.
Okay.
I see your point.
Um, magistrate Theresa Gardenia,I probably fucked that up.
Was nice.
Sorry.
Cited public safety concernsinstead, a preliminary hearing
for March 26th.
(12:41):
that same morning, deputy serveda warrant at Dee's home.
In the 1700 block of North CodyDrive in Nampa.
Mm.
Detective spoke with Dee's tworoommates and began searching
for evidence.
Oh, they're looking, this is sofast too.
Like they caught him.
(13:02):
So it's, he was brazen and dumb.
Dumb dumb, dumb dumb, dumb dumb.
Big old.
Dumb dumb here.
Mm-hmm.
and a video arraignment.
Dee said that he had read thecomplaint and answered no, and
if he asked if he could postbond, he's like, yeah, I just, 2
million.
Will we take a credit card?
Stephanie (13:20):
I do have a brand new credit card if I could try it.
I mean, can we just swipe it andsee what happens is what I'm
imagining.
Dani (13:27):
Noggle said that Dees is placed on suicide watch.
Govia told the court Dees isbipolar and lacked access to his
medication and custody.
So there's all these thingsgoing on, you know, just got
arrested.
He has some, a mental illness.
Mm-hmm.
No medication.
(13:48):
They're like, yeah, you'regetting a risk.
Yeah, you're getting a high billand you're also being placed on
suicide watch.
Okay.
Dee's father, Steve Dees, thismakes me so sad.
I told the Idaho statesman, hisson said he found the credit
cards.
He described his 22-year-old sonas a good kid who did something
(14:08):
stupid by using stolen creditcards.
Oh.
And said he did not believe hisson would commit a violent
crime.
Stephanie (14:16):
And you want to believe that as a parent so
hard.
Yeah.
Even though, you know, we knowour kids' flaws and you know
this and that, and sometimes wedon't know all of their flaws or
sometimes we don't.
Or how deeply.
Dani (14:29):
Or you could be raised in a totally fantastic family and
still
Stephanie (14:34):
have We've seen it.
Yeah.
Or even the, the person whocommits the crimes admits my
childhood was great.
I had a great, yeah.
It's nothing, any
Dani (14:43):
qualms with it.
Right.
And it'd be so, I don't know.
I think that that would be justso hard as a parent, because
you'd want to believe recordsshowed an unrelated AMPA
citation from October, 2014 forbattery and vandalism at a
Walmart gas station.
(15:04):
On March 31st, while dealingwith all this other serious,
serious stuff, Dees pled guiltyto disturbing the peace.
in that case, the maliciousinjury to property was
dismissed.
Mm, judge Debra or suspended, ahundred eighty eight, a hundred
eighty day jail term, andordered a thousand dollars in
(15:25):
restitution and costs.
Basically, he.
Almost hit a guy on a bicycle.
Oh.
And then the guy on the bicyclefollowed him over to the Walmart
and they had an altercation andhe threw the bicycle.
Alright, so there's some violenttendencies there.
Stephanie (15:48):
Yeah.
Lack of emotional regulation,I'm sensing.
Yeah.
Dani (15:52):
But that was just a little baby thing that he already had
going on before the big thing onMarch 13th.
Rainey said new evidence allowedhim to finally tell the public
they could sleep peacefullywithout fear of an ongoing
threat.
He did not say whether thatmeant Dees was connected to the
killings'cause they have to holdtheir cards close, right?
(16:16):
Oh yeah.
It sucks, but it's, it is whatit is.
Witnesses reported Dee's tryingto sell a diamond ring and
detectives recovered Elaine'sdiamond ring from a local
jeweler, God.
Dees remained held on that$2million bond.
Yeah, it's getting deep now.
Yeah.
It's
Stephanie (16:35):
just all unraveling.
Dani (16:38):
So, back at Dee's house, detective seized guns and
hunting rifles, knives, computerequipment, from all three men
living at the Napa house.
They're, we're taking
Stephanie (16:48):
all your shit.
Sorry.
Can you
Dani (16:50):
imagine?
You're like, what up, dude?
It's just my, listen, this,they're like, it's just my
roommate.
A 25-year-old roommate said thathe and another coworker rented
the home and took in Dees fiveto six months earlier to help
with the rent because of theirstudent loans.
just trying to get
Stephanie (17:09):
by,
Dani (17:09):
just, they're like, yeah, this guy from work, he needs a
place.
And
Stephanie (17:12):
you know, you know him, you know, more than a
stranger, right?
So it feels better than puttingout a Craigslist ad for a
stranger.
You're like, at least I know,you know what you know of
someone at work.
And for the most part, thatusually works out.
Not here.
Oh, I'd be so fucking pissed.
They took all their shit.
Oh, I bet.
Because they're, and they're
Dani (17:30):
like, wait, I need that.
Like, they're like, yeah, wedon't know if you're involved.
We don't know.
But I'm not, yo, can I have mycomputer back?
Like literally, I need that forschool.
one roommate stated that Deeworked at Plexus.
Stephanie (17:45):
Good old
Dani (17:45):
Plexus, SWAT even assisted in the search.
One neighbor Adrian Contreras,described a trailer armored
vehicle and a pair military teamwith rifles.
Can you imagine seeing that inyour fucking neighborhood, and
you're like, oh, are theybusting like a drug house down
(18:05):
the street?
What's happening?
Stephanie (18:06):
Oh, they're coming to our door.
This is weird.
Oh, why am
Dani (18:11):
I'm just, I'm Why?
Literally, there was oneroommate that sat on the lawn in
handcuffed.
Oh, fuck.
I'd be, be so mad.
Like I, I'm just minding mybusiness mm-hmm.
Doing my job, coming home, beinga 25-year-old kid.
Yeah.
Transactional, like everyonelives here, pays the rent, blah,
(18:33):
blah, blah.
Um, I am sitting in handcuffs onmy front yard in front of all my
fucking neighbors with a SWATteam.
Yeah.
Everyone's, everyone's getting agood look.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Oh my god.
Chris is
Stephanie (18:44):
probably there.
Dani (18:45):
You
Stephanie (18:46):
like,
Dani (18:46):
we don't need, I'd be like, we don't need a trial
judge.
Let me add a motherfucker.
Yeah, let me, let me just talkto him for a few minutes.
Can I, can I just see him for afew minutes?
Stephanie (18:56):
They took my fucking computer.
But yeah, I can say I'm verydrama free in my world now and I
remember a time when it felt,felt very drama full in my life,
and this would've fucking.
At my point now, this would'vefucking pissed me off.
Dani (19:14):
Throw me over the
Stephanie (19:15):
fucking edge.
Handcuffed on my own front lawnover the edge.
Dani (19:20):
Mm-hmm.
And I probably wouldn't havebehaved
Stephanie (19:22):
well.
And listen, when they searchhouses, this is a thing that I
have a big problem with.
When cops are searching houseswith SWAT teams and everything,
like once they've cleared thehouse, when they turn it over
like they're a burglar one, Ithink it's rude.
Two, I think it's ineffective.
You can't tell me that.
(19:43):
Dumping out drawers on theground and kind of kicking
through it and just fuckingtrashing the place is an
effective way of evidencerecovery.
I want in there a fucking type Aperson who's cataloging and
neatly like knows everything.
I feel like that's a huge missin law enforcement.
(20:04):
They go in and it's almost liketheir goal is to terrorize.
No, your goal is to collectevidence.
How are you dumping shit andjust trashing the place?
How is that an effective meansof collecting evidence needed
for a crime, even if a crimedidn't come, wasn't committed
there, right.
Okay, I wanna know, oh, we foundthis little teeny tiny journal,
(20:27):
or, oh, we found thishandwritten note with, you know,
the suspects.
We found
Dani (20:31):
this gold coin that is rare
Stephanie (20:33):
and that is registered and insured, you
know, by the victim.
We wanna find that.
So that shit pisses me offbecause I feel like it's one
stupid as fuck.
And two, also just rude.
Dani (20:46):
Lemme just give an example.
So.
Is dumping the drawer of sockslooking for such gold coin
better than opening each pair ofsocks and unrolling them?
No.
See, you've got a fantasticpoint.
We're on the same
Stephanie (21:03):
page.
Yes, absolutely.
And I just, it's always becauseI've seen so many crime scene
and you know, documentarieswhere they show them going
through shit and I'm like, thisis just.
Point blank, not efficient anddefective for what your goal is.
Why are you doing that?
(21:24):
You're
Dani (21:24):
trying to find a little gold coin tucked into a sock.
Stephanie (21:27):
There could be someone's hair on a hat that
like you threw across the room.
It needs to be methodical, itneeds to be organized,
cataloged, and then that willhelp you win a case less
contamination, less missedevidence.
Law enforcement.
Please stop doing this shit.
Pisses me off so bad.
(21:48):
Rant over.
Dani (21:50):
The poor roommate said, I just feel so bad for the
roomies.
Oh, me too.
Uh, he just, he said Dees mostlyplayed battlefield, far cry and
destiny.
Went hunting with his father andseemed pretty ordinary.
Really?
He said de quit Plexus inNovember or December.
(22:10):
Hmm.
So he'd been outta work for twoor three months.
Stephanie (22:16):
Yeah.
And most people don't have thesavings to accommodate that.
I wonder if there was any dramathere.
I'm just speculating, of course.
Right.
But
Dani (22:26):
at the end of March, detectives and crime scene
analysts were.
Meticulously processing theresidence.
Okay.
Stephanie (22:34):
Now we're being me and I don't, I will say, I don't
know how it looked on thisspecific case of, uh, no.
Dani (22:39):
Meticulously processing the Whelps residence.
Stephanie (22:42):
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Dani (22:43):
the precise cost of the Whelps death has not been
released yet.
They won't, they won't say,they're not saying anything.
No.
coroner Dottie Owens issued nofurther information either Okay,
but Dees has still not beencharged in the killings.
So they're meticulously goingthrough that house.
and Dees is in jail,
Stephanie (23:04):
but still nothing.
And I get the not wanting tomake a mistake because appeals,
we've seen so many appeals whereappeals, appeals, appeals
evidence collection was not donecorrectly or so many things that
cause a mistrial or allow anappeal or.
basically them saying theverdict wasn't sound and undoing
(23:26):
the verdict to where you have tostart all over again.
So I think people got a lot morecognizant of that in the early
or late nineties, two thousands.
'cause it felt like before wewere kind of just willy-nilly,
you're, you're dead Yeah fastand we got you fast and loose
where you're gonna get the deathpenalty and no one's going to
(23:47):
contest it.
You can
Dani (23:48):
definitely see the difference in cases from the
eighties.
seventies and eighties to, youknow, yeah.
The cases that we do after 2000because Oh, they're like, oh,
this blood evidence is importantbecause it could have DNA.
Mm-hmm.
And we might not be able to findthe guy now, but we can later.
And we, I love those things, bythe way.
Yes.
Love that.
a preliminary hearing that hadbeen set for March 26th was
(24:10):
postponed to April 15th.
Attorney Isaiah Govia withdrewfrom the case.
And, magistrate Gardeniaappointed a public defender.
I couldn't find why he withdrewfrom the case.
He's probably I feel it takes alot.
well, a lot of times it's aconflict of interest.
Mm-hmm.
That's what I've seen mostly.
(24:32):
But he could have just said Ican't work with this client.
Like literally that's a reason.
Mm-hmm.
Like, they're not listening tome.
I can't work with this client.
And they know that if they wereto go to trial Yeah.
That it would, it's just notgonna pan out.
Or it could be that, they haveanother case that they need to
try.
Right.
It's just not So there'smultiple reasons I couldn't find
the reason.
I don't, because it wasn'treported.
(24:52):
I'm assuming it was something.
Yeah, you all know playing likehe already had court or he had
vacation coming up, or he hadhad three kids at home and
couldn't take on this kind of aserious case or didn't have the
knowledge to take on this kindof a serious case.
So, or maybe he had a pettyschedule that weekend.
Who knows?
Who knows?
Or maybe he didn't like the guy.
Anyway, true.
(25:14):
Finally, on April 8th, a grandjury indicted Dees on three
counts of first degree murder.
The indictment said the victimswere bludgeoned and shot in the
head.
How terrible.
Tom was also stabbed in the neckover overkill, like just a nine
(25:34):
millimeter handgun and abaseball bat were used in the
killings.
Stephanie (25:40):
That's something else.
Yeah.
Especially a random Hmm.
The
Dani (25:46):
bat.
Stephanie (25:48):
Hmm.
Dani (25:49):
Prosecutor Jan Bennett joined by Rainey, declined to
discuss whether Dees knew thevictims or if there was forced
entry or any other suspects.
Of course, they're keeping ittight.
Yep.
No decision had been made onseeking the death penalty yet
because you know, it's IdahoDees was also indicted for
(26:10):
stealing jewelry and creditcards using Ted's credit cards
on March 10th.
It was so small at Sears.
Oakley the buckle ballin andbarbacoa.
Stephanie (26:24):
Barbacoa is a very popular restaurant around here.
And listen, I'm not saying I'mnot a food critic.
It is fun.
It's a, it's definitely theprices.
It's like you would do it for aspecial occasion or if your
company wants to throw a bigbash and you got the company
card.
(26:45):
Um, very beautiful scenic.
It decorated very nicely.
It's fun.
Very Instagrammable for sure.
Yeah.
Um, the bathroom for sure.
The bathrooms are iconic.
Yeah.
The best, the best bathroomselfie you're ever gonna take in
your life is going well in, inIdaho is gonna happen here.
(27:05):
Yeah.
Um, but everything's on fire forno reason.
Your food's on fire storage,more of it.
Your appetizer's on fire, yourmeal's on fire, your dessert's
on fire.
Like it's a, it's so.
I will just say it.
Love, I love the restaurant.
It's got a nice view.
They, they've got a great happyhour, but it's a little, once
(27:26):
you've been there a few times,you're like, okay, I get it.
You're letting everything comefire.
We understand, but it's, it's
Dani (27:32):
expensive.
Stephanie (27:33):
It is ex, that's why.
Gotta go for happy hour for thehalf.
Price, drinks and naps.
Tableside, guac.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Dani (27:43):
Rainy said Dee's.
Two roommates.
Had finally been cleared.
What a relief for them.
Oh, and he also said about 50personnel had logged over a
thousand hours on the case sofar.
They're getting the work done.
They're like, we're gonna, we'regetting you a fucker.
Mm-hmm.
Come on In his first postindictment court appearance.
(28:06):
Dees shackled to a wheelchair,appeared by video and consulted
with his attorney, Tony, get.
I'm not, I kind of got thefeeling from the reading that he
was in the wheelchair because hewas combative.
Stephanie (28:24):
Oh.
So like one of those I don'tknow what the technical term is,
but I've seen police videoswhere it's like a wheelchair,
but.
Basically to keep you fromflailing, like when someone's
booked in, I'm kind of imaginingsomething like that.
Or
Dani (28:37):
resisting.
Yes.
Moving.
They're
Stephanie (28:39):
like, well, you gotta go to court.
So,
Dani (28:41):
because
Stephanie (28:42):
we can't, we can't allow you to walk by yourself
'cause you're trying to fuckingwindmill us, bro.
Right, right.
Kinda like a spa or doesn't
Dani (28:47):
wanna go'cause he's scared.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe they just said, pop asquat and put some hand on him.
You're gonna get, and you'regoing, you're going, you're
gotta go to your court.
It's required.
Yeah.
Not an option.
Additional counts included fourcredit card forgeries, two
robberies, burglary, and a useof a deadly weapon during a
(29:10):
crime and concealing a dangerousweapon.
Everything a district courtarraignment before Judge Sam
Hoagland was set for April 16th.
So we are moving on frommagistrates, moving right along
to judges.
(29:30):
On May 14th, Dee stood silent infront of Judge Hoagland, so the
judge entered a not guilty pleafor Dees and set a trial for
September 29th.
Stephanie (29:43):
All right.
Dani (29:45):
Yeah.
On June 26th, Dees pled guiltyto three counts of first degree
murder and one count of robbery.
Wow.
In exchange,'cause they had himdead to rights, it was
meticulously dead to right.
It's, the deal.
Guaranteed life without parole.
(30:09):
The record said Tom, who wasnearly blind and deaf, suffered
a stab wound to the neck.
Okay, and all three were shot inthe head and repeatedly struck
with a wooden baseball bat.
Stephanie (30:20):
Why was that necessary?
I just, these are two elderlyfolks, one somewhat older person
that's nearly blind and deafcannot be very much of a threat
to you.
We're using three differentweapons, I just.
(30:41):
It is tough for me to pictureit.
It and I, this is me assumingI'm making a speculation, but it
feels like someone wanted to bebrutal because I can, if you
have a gun,
Dani (30:59):
why are we using a bat?
Stephanie (31:00):
Why is the bat a knife even necessary?
Hello?
Dani (31:03):
Exactly.
Stephanie (31:04):
It just seems very brutal and out of control to me.
It is.
Dani (31:13):
so you wanna hear some evidence of what happened?
Yes, I do.
A Walmart in Garden City showedsurveillance that on 5:00 PM on
March 8th, Dees was buying ablack bat ski mask and zip ties.
Okay.
Then on March 9th, he took alanes diamond ring to a jeweler
(31:35):
to sell.
Claiming he found it on theroadside red flag.
You know, that that guy was likemm-hmm.
You found it on the road.
So as soon as, as soon asinvestigators were like, we're
looking for, and the judge waslike, I got it.
You knew He is like he red flagflag that he probably
Stephanie (31:53):
had it in the like, dangerous file.
Yeah.
Like the big red flag file.
Well, and
Dani (31:58):
these guys came, they had money.
Mm-hmm.
So it was probably a very nicering.
Yeah.
investigators said he stoletools, jewelry, and of course
the credit cards dip shit.
He used the cards at TwoMountain Home Stores and several
Boise stores, and also ditchedevidence at several of those
(32:20):
locations.
Smarty.
Ted's luggage was in the trashbehind Barba coa.
Stephanie (32:27):
I bet it was nice luggage too,
Dani (32:30):
and but it, and it held the bloody bat that was
shattered in two, and the Tedsaw the bat matched Thomas's
blood.
Stephanie (32:42):
Easy, easy, like you said, dead to rights.
But once again, I'm not tryingto encourage people to be
better.
It's just so disappointing thatthere's.
What year was this?
15.
There was still such a wealth ofinformation out there about the
internet
Dani (33:00):
was there, bro?
Stephanie (33:01):
Yes.
And there was date, a DatelineDateline of, you know, you just
listen to that and you hear the,the same mistakes over and over.
You
Dani (33:10):
could even go back.
Old school unsolved mysteries.
Stephanie (33:13):
Exactly.
What are we do?
Like if you're going to commityourself to something this
terrible, which I'm notencouraging, the lack of
foresight is astounding to me.
Dani (33:30):
After the Best Buy arrest, police recovered Ted's shoes and
a ski mask dumped there handy.
It's like, just sprinkle it,sprinkle.
We've got
Stephanie (33:40):
the card ping, we've got the camera footage, we've
got your car.
All we had to do was look in thedumpster and you use the handy
dandy dumpster that was rightthere.
Because listen, I'm a sucker forconvenience.
I hate making extra trips to doanything.
I'm sorry.
I will literally kill myself tomake one trip with groceries
(34:02):
into the house.
So going, you know, if I have togo to the Best Buy to get my new
sound system for my Subaru so Ican be bumping and get all the,
all the, all the gentleman andladies with my bump and car
system, I, I get it.
You don't wanna go to adifferent dumpster, but if
you've, if you've committed oneof the worst crimes.
(34:26):
Terrible things, and you don'twanna be in jail for the rest of
your life.
Maybe a little quick trip to adifferent dumpster would be in
your best interest saying Stopit at Jackson's.
I'm just, I'm just saying
Dani (34:37):
stop it at Jackson's
Stephanie (34:38):
stop at a stop at a construction site where there
hopefully isn't cameras.
Hey, that's an idea.
Don't, don't listen to theserial killers.
Do not listen to this.
Ear muff.
Ear muffet.
But I'm just, I.
It's tough for me if, if you'redoing so the big stupidity,
like, that's serious.
(34:58):
So stupid.
You wanna sit down.
I wouldn't do this, but ifsomething like this happened to
me or a friend, I, I would belike thinking of every possible
thing.
And this is, it's so, even justwith movies, like the ability to
be just so fucking dumb with itbaffles me every fucking time.
Dani (35:21):
And this is real life.
And he was an idiot.
Yes.
The Welp family supported theplea to avoid a long trial and
appeals.
I agree.
I can totally get behind that.
Like he can't, he's nevergetting out.
He can't contest it.
He can't appeal by, you don'thave to be drug back into the
courtroom.
(35:41):
Right.
And relive your family'smurders.
Again and try to justify to anew girl or, and then the
anxiety of having all that comeup.
I can't even, Ima like, I gottago fight this again, of someone
Stephanie (35:53):
being like, they found Jesus, or they did this
community.
S you know, they're doing thisfor the jail.
Look good for you.
Meet'em later.
Bye.
Like, I hope that's enrichingfor your life in there.
That's great that you're doingthat.
Please enrich your life in thereand maybe become a better
person.
But why the
Dani (36:08):
fuck do we want you on the streets?
Don't wanna hear you.
Bye.
On the August 28th sentencinghearing, Catherine, their
daughter, told these quote, youtook my mother's life, father's
life, brother's life.
Now we take yours one minute ata time.
Stephanie (36:32):
Fuck yeah, sis.
That is cutting.
And I do like that.
Fuck yeah.
Because I like when they givethem something to think about
and it listen.
Everything doesn't have to becutting or biting or whatever.
But I can tell you if someonesaid that to me that every
minute we're taking that fromyou, we, it's ours, and he's 22
(36:55):
that would sit with me.
Yeah.
Dani (36:58):
Oh, she fucking killed.
Killed it.
It puts a reality on it.
And you know what?
So classy too.
Mm-hmm.
Because I would like to thinkI'd be classy in that situation
like, you're a motherfucker.
Stephanie (37:08):
No, I'd
Dani (37:08):
be
Stephanie (37:08):
getting rested for so classy, like for a windmill and
a bitch probably
Dani (37:12):
there, he's, she's just like, you did this and this.
And she's saying to go fuckyourself.
Your life's ours now.
Very politely and in a beautifulway.
So way to go, sis.
Yes.
Hundred percent.
What a heartbreak for her.
I fucking, but I love myparents.
Make it into their fuckingeighties and you fucking
(37:34):
cowardly fucking dick.
There was
Stephanie (37:37):
no need for
Dani (37:38):
it.
No.
He could have senseless.
Oh, and my deaf and blindbrother.
You could have just fucking, youcould have just tied him up.
Probably used a soft rope.
Or a tie and just tied theirhands behind their back and took
whatever the fuck you wanted.
There was no need for guns andbashing.
Stephanie (37:58):
Yeah.
Stolen all their, theirvaluables that were physical and
gone to another state.
And you might have not even beencaught if that was the case.
Wow.
He had to get that Subaru
Dani (38:08):
bump in.
Stephanie (38:10):
Yes, we needed, he needed a sound
Dani (38:12):
system right now, first priority judge Sam Hoagland
imposed life without parole foreach victim plus 25 years for
robbery.
Detective Jared Watson said Deeslingered after the killings.
He emptied Ted's wallet.
Elaine's purse and her jewelrybox.
(38:33):
And this is a weird,
Stephanie (38:34):
so he was very meticulous at
Dani (38:36):
this point.
This is a, he Dees shoved theleft crossbar of a crucifix into
the wall above Elaine'snightstand.
So literally took a crucifix andlike stabbed it on the wall.
Maybe
Stephanie (38:53):
try, maybe.
Oh, they're gonna think it's aSatanic cult.
Yep.
Dani (38:57):
Uh,
Stephanie (38:58):
that's your best idea.
Like
Dani (39:01):
Char Charles Manson was here.
Y'all fucking suck at this shit,and you should have never gotten
into this career path.
Over the next two days, Dee'sused the Weps cards for
purchases.
We know this, but let me giveyou some details, including a
$2,500 television.
Stephanie (39:21):
Ooh, balling
Dani (39:22):
a$200 mail, a barbacoa.
We told you it was expensive.
And that
Stephanie (39:27):
was, this was 10 years ago.
Yes.
Dani (39:30):
Uh, and then in Ted's discarded suitcase, police found
the shattered bat.
Three spent shell casingskeeping all the evidence
together.
Making it nice and tidy.
Yeah.
Put it,
Stephanie (39:43):
address it to the investigators At this point,
what the fuck are we doing?
And 10 lanes, driver's licenses.
Hello.
Why did you need to take those?
What benefit?
What benefit They're gonna knowwho it is easily.
You can find out who it is.
Property records, fingerprints,any, why are we taking in ke?
(40:05):
Did you, was this your firstbout at trying to be a serial
killer and these are your littletrophies.
You absolute dip shit.
Dani (40:13):
Not, not getting it.
put Remember the raid on thehouse?
Yes.
With all the roommates.
There was some evidence pulledout of there.
Uh,'cause they found Elaine'spearls and earrings, indies,
Nampa closets.
Like it's there.
You're bringing it home.
Stephanie (40:33):
What are you doing with pearls, bro?
Holding them in your house as aroommate?
and just like you said, thejeweler, as soon as this came
out was like, listen up.
I got it.
I got it.
It's you.
You walking into a jewelry storewith that type of ring.
I mean, this isn't any shade andI, but it's,
Dani (40:56):
I found it.
People
Stephanie (40:56):
that deal in big jewelry and you know, nice
things
Dani (41:01):
they know.
They've seen it all.
Oh, you mean this.
This is what I imagine if I wasa jeweler and a 22-year-old kid
came out with a diamond ring,I'd be like, you stole this from
your mom.
Yeah, that's what I would do.
You stole this from yourgrandma.
You stole this from your auntie.
You stole this from somebody and
Stephanie (41:17):
they'll, if it's your rich family, they'll probably
forgive you.
Yeah.
And it'll all roll over.
So that's why you're not
Dani (41:23):
that, that jeweler definitely set that ring aside.
Yes.
I fucking promise you.
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (41:26):
Because he
Dani (41:27):
is like there, because you have, you have to give Id, you
have to give id, he probablyjust is like, I'm collecting,
I'm, I'm basically a detectivenow.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Stephanie (41:39):
This is just wild.
Dani (41:42):
These apologize.
I don't care.
Uh, his attorney said he wentinto Rob the WAPs and quote,
something horrible happened.
He bought a happened.
He look at that, he happened.
Stephanie (41:56):
If you cannot rob people in their eighties or near
eighties and a deaf and blindson, if you cannot rob them
effectively without killingthem.
You are a fucking loser.
Dani (42:11):
Something horrible happened.
Yes, you happened.
Prosecutors countered withWalmart stills and described the
bindings, the beatings, and thehead shots.
Nagel said quote, he torturedthese people and noted that
disgusting.
He, he really did.
Like you said, he could havejust tied these guys up by gun
(42:34):
gunpoint.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe, maybe not.
But he could have just tied'emup and stole what he wanted.
There was no reason for tomurder
Stephanie (42:43):
everyone and to do it brutally with three different
weapons.
Yeah.
Dani (42:47):
Why are we doing
Stephanie (42:48):
this Three different known weapons.
That's probably not counting anyphysical violence of if there
was a scuffle or anything.
No, he was there.
That's what, that's my opinionis that he was there for.
Brutality.
And I think he also wantedmoney.
He was outta work, whatever.
But I think that he, there wasviolence.
(43:08):
He tended that he was some typeof villain Yeah.
That could do this.
Dani (43:13):
and I wish, I wish we had money because I would love to
hear this, this jail phone call.
I wish we could go get therecords, but, it was also noted
that Dees had joked about themurders in a jail phone call.
Stephanie (43:25):
What an absolute cunt.
Dani (43:26):
Mm-hmm.
So on August 31st and a debriefrequired by the plea bargain,
Dees told detective he chose theCartright Roadhouse because it
was remote and looked affluent.
I don't think he said affluent.
(43:47):
He probably said they lookedrich big.
Well, they have money.
Yeah, he said heavy exposure.
This was so 2015, heavy exposureto first person shooter games,
made killing, quote, notdifficult and claimed he acted
alone.
(44:07):
And he did.
De admitted was his first homeinvasion robbery, stating he
might have repeated if he hadn'tbeen caught.
Stephanie (44:18):
And that is so wild because how do you not even
reflect?
Let's say that you panic.
Dani (44:25):
That's a fucking inside thought anyways.
Look, if I'm getting debriefed,I'm gonna tell you.
I'm not gonna tell you Iwould've never done that again.
No,
Stephanie (44:35):
he said he would've.
He would.
But you would say that.
Yeah.
Right.
If you had more than one braincell, because then you can say,
I got myself into something.
I didn't even know what I wasdoing.
I panicked.
Yes, I, it could help.
I thought it was a video game,bro.
You're telling people that.
(44:55):
Given the chance you do itagain.
Sure.
Even though you fucking onesucked at it the first time.
But two, this is a danger to thepublic and probably two in one
should be reversed.
But what, like, what the fuck
Dani (45:10):
he said he was depressed and suicidal.
Stephanie (45:12):
Aw, I'm, I'm sorry.
That's how I feel too.
I, I'm not saying that's not abig deal.
I just, suicidal, repeatable.
Dani (45:19):
Listen, suicidal people, they're not
Stephanie (45:22):
doing
Dani (45:22):
this.
They, they're not.
They're only concerned abouttheir themselves therapy pain.
They feel a burden.
Stephanie (45:29):
Yes.
Yes.
Dani (45:29):
They're not worried.
They're not going out.
Oh, I need to go steal somemoney.
No.
And then big balling
Stephanie (45:38):
after and yeah.
Hurting people with weapons.
I'm gonna go have a$200
Dani (45:41):
mil of barbacoa.
Thank you.
Stephanie (45:44):
Fuck you.
No, this is literally likecriminal.
Treat yourself.
What the fuck?
Dani (45:50):
So he said he used Google Maps.
To scout remote high-end homesaround the Boise and mountain
home area.
He then, this is, this is whyhe's such a fucking bad.
He's a bad dude.
Anyways, this was all fuckingpremeditated.
Oh yeah.
He then staked out the residenceon March 8th.
So he drove up there and then hecame back home and put on his
(46:14):
dark clothing with guns.
His, his little murder kit thathe bought it, his murder kit at
Walmart.
I.
He said he first broke into asecond house under construction
to take power tools and thenentered the main house through
an open garage door.
Oh shit.
Using keys found inside of atruck to get inside the house.
(46:37):
They did lock their house
Stephanie (46:38):
doors and that's so shit like that's so shitty that
he was able to do it that way.
that's probably the most.
Logical thing.
I guess you could say that he's,he had done this whole time, but
that's just, I, I could makethat mistake so easily.
(47:01):
Absolutely.
And it's just,
Dani (47:06):
he also said the security system was not armed and that if
he would have left, if it hadbeen,
Stephanie (47:13):
if you start hearing alarms going off, it's a huge
deterrent.
Dani (47:17):
And he also said he would've left if the family had
owned a larger dog.
And that's,
Stephanie (47:26):
listen, I don't
Dani (47:26):
know if I believe that though, because he had a gun,
Stephanie (47:30):
but he had a gun and he still, he's
Dani (47:32):
dog blaming.
Stephanie (47:34):
Yeah.
We don't dog blame and shame.
No, everyone doesn't need tohave a big dog.
But I will say, listen up.
I know that this is, theexperience for a lot of folks
with big dogs is they do have avery intimidating bark and
sometimes they have the bite tomatch.
Not always, but someone, Gordysomeone who is nervous enough
(47:58):
to, you know, it's, it's a nervewracking thing to break into
someone's house, and I don'tknow if anyone's ever seen
getting bit by a dog or been bitby a dog themselves.
I am not fucking with a big assdog with a big ass bark.
Dani (48:15):
But if you had a gun,
Stephanie (48:17):
maybe,
Dani (48:18):
but then you'd wake up, ma, look, we're getting deep.
Stephanie (48:21):
Yeah.
Now we're getting, we're makingit messy.
There's more evidence it's, I Ido feel like that's a big deter.
So I, I think it's nice that hesaid these things that are a
deterrent for someone doingtheir first time doing a big b
and e.
Of this would've deterred me.
that's helpful that he sharedthat, but still a dick.
(48:42):
You, you could have every, everydefense up and it could still
happen.
So this isn't to like paranoiaanyone, but even if you live in
a safe town where you feel likeyou can leave your doors
unlocked, just lock'em not toblame and shame, but it's
something that if somethingsomeone did for some random
(49:03):
reason, target you.
Might deter them.
Like,
Dani (49:09):
I feel bad.
Stephanie (49:10):
I feel I cannot believe the depravity of this
story.
Dani (49:17):
Yeah.
Unnecessary, senseless.
None of those people were athreat to him.
Stephanie (49:22):
No.
A a young spry, 22-year-oldagainst a mostly deaf and blind
older gentleman, and then twoelderly, a couple.
What
Dani (49:34):
a and a little dog.
Go fuck yourself.
De uh, he's currently 32.
Stephanie (49:40):
Good God, that's wild.
Dani (49:42):
And we'll be serving three life, three consecutive life
sentences without thepossibility Parole.
And he is down in good old, uh,ola the Ro Correctional Center
in Arizona,
Stephanie (49:57):
please.
At your leisure, Mr.
Dees Rot.
Dani (50:04):
He's down there with several of his good old besties.
Yeah, horrible besties.
Anyway, th this was just sad andtragic and these were really
good people and they just cameback to Idaho
Stephanie (50:16):
and just knowing that you were the target because of
Google Maps and just fuckingweird ass assumptions of a
22-year-old loser, and you.
It's just absolutely terrible.
I feel bad for their family and
Dani (50:33):
de you're a fucker.
I just, yeah.
Stephanie (50:39):
Yeah.
A crime of fucking stupidity anda lot of stupid stuff going Dip
shitness.
Yeah.
Not a crime of passion or, andnot, not that that's right.
But you at least understand whythat happens a little bit.
This is fucking stupid.
Anyway, thank you guys forlistening.
(51:02):
Thank you, Danny, for findingthis case and researching it.
it's one that I've alwayswondered about'cause it's one
that I could remember justhearing, you know, bits and
pieces on the nightly news, ournightly local news as everyone
does around that timeframe.
and I never really rememberedthe resolve of it, but I
remember how big and urgent itwas like.
This terrible thing happened andthere was,
Dani (51:23):
it was fucking home invasion.
Yes.
Stephanie (51:25):
They put the urgency out there.
Mm-hmm.
And it was scary because it wasunexplainable and so out of
character for Idaho.
For sure.
Yeah.
So thank you Danny.
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(51:50):
Okay.
Any closing thoughts?
Danny?
That's all I got tonight, sis.
Alright, well enjoy.
Have a great day, weekend, week,whatever's coming up for you and
we'll catch you on the next one.
Dani (52:02):
Bye
Stephanie (52:03):
bye.
Dani (52:26):
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We're recording, so thank you.
Stephanie (52:33):
Thank you everyone.
Love you.
Thank you for being a part ofour podcast.
It's a, it's a group efforthere.
These are our sound engineers.
We love them deeply and dearly.
Oh, we do.
Oh, all right.
But Danny, so.
I don't, I remember this casethat, that you're doing a little
bit.
I'm not good at remembering allthe details of cases and stuff,
but I remember hearing about itwhen it was going on and the
guy's name is Dees.
So I have to by law say Dees
Dani (00:18):
nuts.
Um, and then she said, how doyou spell that?
And I said, DEES.
And she's like, oh shit.
His last name is really Dees.
Yes, it is.
D nuts.
Stephanie (00:30):
So, um, D Nuts are sponsoring this podcast.
Dani (00:36):
Uh, let me tell you about a fucker.
This guy's a no good guy.
You ready?
Yes, I am.
Ready.
in 2015 in a Boise Foothillshome, a welfare check on
Cartwright Road turned into atriple homicide.
The sheriff called heinous.
Within a day, a 22-year-oldwalked up into Best Buy for a
(01:00):
stereo bought with a victim'scredit card.
The episode follows the Welpfamily and their senseless
murders by Adam Dees.
Sources used in today's episodeare articles from the Idaho
Statesman.
Thank you.
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Late on March 10th, 2015, afamily member checking 9,700
North Cartwright Road reportedsuspicious circumstances at the
residence.
Deputies arrived and found threeadults, deceased inside the
Sheriff's office, announced thedeaths at 8:40 PM holding back
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details to protect leads.
And you know, it was a shit showup there.
Oh, I bet.
I mean, all the.
Everybody's like, what's goingon?
Mm-hmm.
So they had to announce it thatevening because there was just
much going on.
Police presence.
Mm-hmm.
And
Stephanie (02:23):
crime investigation.
All that.
Dani (02:26):
ADA County Sheriff Gary Rainey urged tips from anyone
who noticed someone who, quote,didn't seem to fit to call in
Rainey, confirmed no childrenlived at the home, and that it
was not a murder suicide.
Stephanie (02:43):
Because that is something that often happens
when there's oh, we haven'theard from these two or three
people in a few days.
Sometimes that is the case.
So it is good to know that itwas not that and that someone
did this well, and I
Dani (02:56):
also think that by saying that to the public of saying,
Hey, there's a risk out there.
Yes.
Stephanie (03:04):
Which is, so
Dani (03:05):
maybe you should give us your tips.
Very strategic.
Stephanie (03:08):
Absolutely
Dani (03:09):
right.
Putting some urgency
Stephanie (03:11):
on it.
This
Dani (03:11):
did not just happen in this house.
There's somebody else out there,so please call in your tips.
Thank you.
Yeah.
sheriff said that three peoplefound dead in the Boise
foothills home were killed in aheinous manner.
Quote, in my 31 years of lawenforcement, I have probably not
seen a bloodier or more violentmurder occur.
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He said, calling the sceneterrible.
The victims, a woman and two menall related were killed sometime
between the evening of March 8thand the morning of March 10th.
When asked if the public shouldbe afraid, Rainey said quote.
It's a, it's sad for me to say,but yes.
Stephanie (03:55):
Well, there is a danger out there.
You know,
Dani (03:57):
somebody's out just murdering people.
Mm-hmm.
The next day on March 11th,Nampa resident Adam, Michael
Dees age 22, was arrested at theBoise Best Buy after he arrived
to pick up a car.
Stereo bought with a victim'scredit card.
Oh, you don't say.
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Yeah.
I just think that super smartmove there.
Stephanie (04:23):
We've got a genius on our hands, folks.
Dani (04:26):
Yeah, I got a fucking credit card.
Let's go shop.
Stephanie (04:29):
Swiping it away and shopping.
In person at a place withsecurity cameras and
Dani (04:38):
they have your fucking car, bro.
Yes.
They've got your car, they'vegot your face.
I, I'm just gonna run into BestBuy.
Hey, do you think you caninstall this stereo?
Stephanie (04:46):
Because there's even other ways where, I mean, you
still should be never be using adead person's card because it
can be tracked to youeventually.
But I mean, if you orderedsomething online, got it shipped
to a different address than yourown or some type of like.
Maybe somewhere where you knewyou could go pick it up, you'd
have a little bit more, ananonymity there for a little bit
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longer.
Dani (05:07):
No,
Stephanie (05:08):
in person
Dani (05:10):
with my car swiping away, swiping that card, sweepy
Stephanie (05:14):
swipe, and it's just so sad.
I can.
So cool.
I'm getting a car stereo now.
Hell yeah.
This is my first priority.
Fuck yeah, bro.
Let's go.
We're gonna be bumping.
Listen, I, I can appreciate theneed to bump at a certain age,
Dani (05:29):
right,
Stephanie (05:29):
but
Dani (05:31):
foolish.
He was booked on grand theft,forgery, and a misdemeanor
concealed weapon charge.
Ooh.
'cause you know, upon using adead person stolen credit card.
A gun in the vehicle is probably
Stephanie (05:51):
hello
Dani (05:52):
and just cherry on top.
When Dees was taken intocustody, detectives impounded
his black 2003 Subaru Legacystation wagon.
Stephanie (06:05):
We're bumping in the wagon though this, this is a
little, it did have
Dani (06:08):
a gold stripe
Stephanie (06:10):
that adds at least 15 horsepower from what I know
about cars.
As far as if you, if you have aracing stripe, at least 15
horsepower.
I had a gold stripe on it.
Two of them get, I mean, you're,you're fast.
Too fast.
Too furious at this point.
Drifting.
That was fucking
Dani (06:28):
awesome.
Oh, and investigators askedanyone who had seen that Subaru
near Cartwright Road or on thecentral bench earlier in the
week, and anyone approachedabout buying a.
Diamond ring to contact AdaCounty Dispatch.
Stephanie (06:45):
Oh, we are getting glitz and glammed.
We are getting the bling blinghe's doing living large.
Somebody watched too many Fastand Furious or rap music videos
and I love rock music videosmyself.
But
Dani (07:03):
no, he was,
Stephanie (07:04):
he was putting it
Dani (07:05):
out there.
He was
Stephanie (07:07):
living large.
Dani (07:10):
The neighbors began to identify the family.
Oh, this is so, okay.
The victims were Theodore TedWelp, age 80, no, Dolores Elaine
Welp, age 77, and their sonThomas Welp, age 52.
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The Whelps had recently movedback to Boise from the Tucson
area with their son Thomas.
And Thomas was mostly deaf, sojust that even makes it sadder
for me, me, right.
Elaine was originally from Idahoand she came from an old Chalice
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family, so probably old money.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and Ted, a Santa ClaraUniversity graduate.
Rose to senior Vice president atTucson Electric Power in 1974.
Wow.
And this is, this isinteresting.
And he became known for hisaggressive wholesale power
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deals.
Stephanie (08:12):
Really?
Okay.
Dani (08:14):
He was credited with inventing us wholesale
electricity trading.
Stephanie (08:19):
That's a big deal.
Dani (08:21):
I know a thing or two about power.
That's why I thought you'd findthat interesting.
Thomas, their son, um, attendedNTID studying computer science
and worked for IBM and he lovedhis horses, frosty and monsoon,
who were his eyes and ears forthe outdoors.
He was a big outdoor loverdespite his, blindness and
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deafness.
he was out there.
Running cattle and
Stephanie (08:49):
and how brave is that?
Dani (08:50):
I'd be so fucking scared.
Stephanie (08:51):
I'm scared of it.
And I can see in here.
Dani (08:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm really, those arepretty animals on my farm.
I, I was the most scared ofcows.
They're large and in charge.
Mm-hmm.
As far as I'm concerned.
Anyway.
I'd be so scared, but he reallydid love those horses and they
were his eyes and ears outthere.
Stephanie (09:08):
And I think horses are really intuitive and they
kind of know.
So that's just really cool tohear that.
Dani (09:17):
No ELPs are good people.
They led the Dove Foundationdonating to Christian
organizations and centers forthe deaf and blind, including
Bishop Kelly High School andongoing support to a
non-denominational chapel inStanley.
They also donated$475,000 to thefoundation fighting blindness.
Stephanie (09:40):
Dang.
Dani (09:42):
Yeah.
Stephanie (09:43):
They weren't kidding around.
No.
Very passionate.
I love and had the money to,yeah.
I love
Dani (09:49):
full.
Yeah.
Say the word for me.
I love full land therapists.
Did I do it right?
You did.
Thank you.
Stephanie (09:59):
Philanthropists.
We love you.
Dani (10:01):
I wanna ha, I wanna be that.
Or
Stephanie (10:03):
you can just dump some
Dani (10:06):
money and make a difference and with some money,
make a real difference insomething.
Ah, I wanna do that anyway.
Still gotta pay my mortgagethough, first.
Mm-hmm.
Some bitch shucks at a familystatement through James Nehi,
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husband of their daughterCatherine.
Asked for privacy and thank thepublic for prayers.
And later the family.
Thank the sheriff's office andurged anyone with information to
please call detectives.
Yeah.
Stephanie (10:39):
cause what the hell,
Dani (10:41):
Their neighbor John said the Whelps had moved in within
the past year.
He hadn't met them yet, but hadnoticed recent construction
being done at the home.
John said, quote, this couldhappen anywhere.
It just happened in our neck ofthe woods.
So this is.
Stephanie (11:01):
But this doesn't, I, I appreciate that comment
because it is a good reminderbecause in Idaho generally the
crime is really low, but youknow, it does happen.
Like I think we've both hadpeople close to us that have
been affected by terribleviolence.
Dani (11:20):
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (11:21):
And it's a, I think it's a good reminder, you know,
that.
Yes.
People say you don't have tolock your doors at night here.
That's just pure luck.
You know, you have less of achance, but lock why?
Why not lock your doors?
Yep.
And it really can.
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Yeah.
This isn't victim blaming orwhatever.
It's just these are the type ofthings that could deter someone
and, oh, Steph,
Dani (11:52):
just wait.
Oh shucks.
On March 12th, Dee's Bell wasset at$2 million.
Stephanie (12:02):
Damn.
Dani (12:03):
Deputy Prosecutor Brian Noggle asked for 3 million, but
defense attorney Isaiah Goviacalled the bell quote
outrageously high.
Stephanie (12:14):
What are we talking about?
He's bling, blinging out hishands.
He's bumping up his, he hasn'tbeen
Dani (12:19):
charged with anything.
He's only been charged with.
The credit card stuff.
Mm-hmm.
And the burglary.
Okay.
I see your point.
Um, magistrate Theresa Gardenia,I probably fucked that up.
Was nice.
Sorry.
Cited public safety concernsinstead, a preliminary hearing
for March 26th.
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that same morning, deputy serveda warrant at Dee's home.
In the 1700 block of North CodyDrive in Nampa.
Mm.
Detective spoke with Dee's tworoommates and began searching
for evidence.
Oh, they're looking, this is sofast too.
Like they caught him.
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So it's, he was brazen and dumb.
Dumb dumb, dumb dumb, dumb dumb.
Big old.
Dumb dumb here.
Mm-hmm.
and a video arraignment.
Dee said that he had read thecomplaint and answered no, and
if he asked if he could postbond, he's like, yeah, I just, 2
million.
Will we take a credit card?
Stephanie (13:20):
I do have a brand new credit card if I could try it.
I mean, can we just swipe it andsee what happens is what I'm
imagining.
Dani (13:27):
Noggle said that Dees is placed on suicide watch.
Govia told the court Dees isbipolar and lacked access to his
medication and custody.
So there's all these thingsgoing on, you know, just got
arrested.
He has some, a mental illness.
Mm-hmm.
No medication.
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They're like, yeah, you'regetting a risk.
Yeah, you're getting a high billand you're also being placed on
suicide watch.
Okay.
Dee's father, Steve Dees, thismakes me so sad.
I told the Idaho statesman, hisson said he found the credit
cards.
He described his 22-year-old sonas a good kid who did something
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stupid by using stolen creditcards.
Oh.
And said he did not believe hisson would commit a violent
crime.
Stephanie (14:16):
And you want to believe that as a parent so
hard.
Yeah.
Even though, you know, we knowour kids' flaws and you know
this and that, and sometimes wedon't know all of their flaws or
sometimes we don't.
Or how deeply.
Dani (14:29):
Or you could be raised in a totally fantastic family and
still
Stephanie (14:34):
have We've seen it.
Yeah.
Or even the, the person whocommits the crimes admits my
childhood was great.
I had a great, yeah.
It's nothing, any
Dani (14:43):
qualms with it.
Right.
And it'd be so, I don't know.
I think that that would be justso hard as a parent, because
you'd want to believe recordsshowed an unrelated AMPA
citation from October, 2014 forbattery and vandalism at a
Walmart gas station.
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On March 31st, while dealingwith all this other serious,
serious stuff, Dees pled guiltyto disturbing the peace.
in that case, the maliciousinjury to property was
dismissed.
Mm, judge Debra or suspended, ahundred eighty eight, a hundred
eighty day jail term, andordered a thousand dollars in
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restitution and costs.
Basically, he.
Almost hit a guy on a bicycle.
Oh.
And then the guy on the bicyclefollowed him over to the Walmart
and they had an altercation andhe threw the bicycle.
Alright, so there's some violenttendencies there.
Stephanie (15:48):
Yeah.
Lack of emotional regulation,I'm sensing.
Yeah.
Dani (15:52):
But that was just a little baby thing that he already had
going on before the big thing onMarch 13th.
Rainey said new evidence allowedhim to finally tell the public
they could sleep peacefullywithout fear of an ongoing
threat.
He did not say whether thatmeant Dees was connected to the
killings'cause they have to holdtheir cards close, right?
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Oh yeah.
It sucks, but it's, it is whatit is.
Witnesses reported Dee's tryingto sell a diamond ring and
detectives recovered Elaine'sdiamond ring from a local
jeweler, God.
Dees remained held on that$2million bond.
Yeah, it's getting deep now.
Yeah.
It's
Stephanie (16:35):
just all unraveling.
Dani (16:38):
So, back at Dee's house, detective seized guns and
hunting rifles, knives, computerequipment, from all three men
living at the Napa house.
They're, we're taking
Stephanie (16:48):
all your shit.
Sorry.
Can you
Dani (16:50):
imagine?
You're like, what up, dude?
It's just my, listen, this,they're like, it's just my
roommate.
A 25-year-old roommate said thathe and another coworker rented
the home and took in Dees fiveto six months earlier to help
with the rent because of theirstudent loans.
just trying to get
Stephanie (17:09):
by,
Dani (17:09):
just, they're like, yeah, this guy from work, he needs a
place.
And
Stephanie (17:12):
you know, you know him, you know, more than a
stranger, right?
So it feels better than puttingout a Craigslist ad for a
stranger.
You're like, at least I know,you know what you know of
someone at work.
And for the most part, thatusually works out.
Not here.
Oh, I'd be so fucking pissed.
They took all their shit.
Oh, I bet.
Because they're, and they're
Dani (17:30):
like, wait, I need that.
Like, they're like, yeah, wedon't know if you're involved.
We don't know.
But I'm not, yo, can I have mycomputer back?
Like literally, I need that forschool.
one roommate stated that Deeworked at Plexus.
Stephanie (17:45):
Good old
Dani (17:45):
Plexus, SWAT even assisted in the search.
One neighbor Adrian Contreras,described a trailer armored
vehicle and a pair military teamwith rifles.
Can you imagine seeing that inyour fucking neighborhood, and
you're like, oh, are theybusting like a drug house down
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the street?
What's happening?
Stephanie (18:06):
Oh, they're coming to our door.
This is weird.
Oh, why am
Dani (18:11):
I'm just, I'm Why?
Literally, there was oneroommate that sat on the lawn in
handcuffed.
Oh, fuck.
I'd be, be so mad.
Like I, I'm just minding mybusiness mm-hmm.
Doing my job, coming home, beinga 25-year-old kid.
Yeah.
Transactional, like everyonelives here, pays the rent, blah,
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blah, blah.
Um, I am sitting in handcuffs onmy front yard in front of all my
fucking neighbors with a SWATteam.
Yeah.
Everyone's, everyone's getting agood look.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Oh my god.
Chris is
Stephanie (18:44):
probably there.
Dani (18:45):
You
Stephanie (18:46):
like,
Dani (18:46):
we don't need, I'd be like, we don't need a trial
judge.
Let me add a motherfucker.
Yeah, let me, let me just talkto him for a few minutes.
Can I, can I just see him for afew minutes?
Stephanie (18:56):
They took my fucking computer.
But yeah, I can say I'm verydrama free in my world now and I
remember a time when it felt,felt very drama full in my life,
and this would've fucking.
At my point now, this would'vefucking pissed me off.
Dani (19:14):
Throw me over the
Stephanie (19:15):
fucking edge.
Handcuffed on my own front lawnover the edge.
Dani (19:20):
Mm-hmm.
And I probably wouldn't havebehaved
Stephanie (19:22):
well.
And listen, when they searchhouses, this is a thing that I
have a big problem with.
When cops are searching houseswith SWAT teams and everything,
like once they've cleared thehouse, when they turn it over
like they're a burglar one, Ithink it's rude.
Two, I think it's ineffective.
You can't tell me that.
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Dumping out drawers on theground and kind of kicking
through it and just fuckingtrashing the place is an
effective way of evidencerecovery.
I want in there a fucking type Aperson who's cataloging and
neatly like knows everything.
I feel like that's a huge missin law enforcement.
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They go in and it's almost liketheir goal is to terrorize.
No, your goal is to collectevidence.
How are you dumping shit andjust trashing the place?
How is that an effective meansof collecting evidence needed
for a crime, even if a crimedidn't come, wasn't committed
there, right.
Okay, I wanna know, oh, we foundthis little teeny tiny journal,
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or, oh, we found thishandwritten note with, you know,
the suspects.
We found
Dani (20:31):
this gold coin that is rare
Stephanie (20:33):
and that is registered and insured, you
know, by the victim.
We wanna find that.
So that shit pisses me offbecause I feel like it's one
stupid as fuck.
And two, also just rude.
Dani (20:46):
Lemme just give an example.
So.
Is dumping the drawer of sockslooking for such gold coin
better than opening each pair ofsocks and unrolling them?
No.
See, you've got a fantasticpoint.
We're on the same
Stephanie (21:03):
page.
Yes, absolutely.
And I just, it's always becauseI've seen so many crime scene
and you know, documentarieswhere they show them going
through shit and I'm like, thisis just.
Point blank, not efficient anddefective for what your goal is.
Why are you doing that?
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You're
Dani (21:24):
trying to find a little gold coin tucked into a sock.
Stephanie (21:27):
There could be someone's hair on a hat that
like you threw across the room.
It needs to be methodical, itneeds to be organized,
cataloged, and then that willhelp you win a case less
contamination, less missedevidence.
Law enforcement.
Please stop doing this shit.
Pisses me off so bad.
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Rant over.
Dani (21:50):
The poor roommate said, I just feel so bad for the
roomies.
Oh, me too.
Uh, he just, he said Dees mostlyplayed battlefield, far cry and
destiny.
Went hunting with his father andseemed pretty ordinary.
Really?
He said de quit Plexus inNovember or December.
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Hmm.
So he'd been outta work for twoor three months.
Stephanie (22:16):
Yeah.
And most people don't have thesavings to accommodate that.
I wonder if there was any dramathere.
I'm just speculating, of course.
Right.
But
Dani (22:26):
at the end of March, detectives and crime scene
analysts were.
Meticulously processing theresidence.
Okay.
Stephanie (22:34):
Now we're being me and I don't, I will say, I don't
know how it looked on thisspecific case of, uh, no.
Dani (22:39):
Meticulously processing the Whelps residence.
Stephanie (22:42):
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Dani (22:43):
the precise cost of the Whelps death has not been
released yet.
They won't, they won't say,they're not saying anything.
No.
coroner Dottie Owens issued nofurther information either Okay,
but Dees has still not beencharged in the killings.
So they're meticulously goingthrough that house.
and Dees is in jail,
Stephanie (23:04):
but still nothing.
And I get the not wanting tomake a mistake because appeals,
we've seen so many appeals whereappeals, appeals, appeals
evidence collection was not donecorrectly or so many things that
cause a mistrial or allow anappeal or.
basically them saying theverdict wasn't sound and undoing
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the verdict to where you have tostart all over again.
So I think people got a lot morecognizant of that in the early
or late nineties, two thousands.
'cause it felt like before wewere kind of just willy-nilly,
you're, you're dead Yeah fastand we got you fast and loose
where you're gonna get the deathpenalty and no one's going to
(23:47):
contest it.
You can
Dani (23:48):
definitely see the difference in cases from the
eighties.
seventies and eighties to, youknow, yeah.
The cases that we do after 2000because Oh, they're like, oh,
this blood evidence is importantbecause it could have DNA.
Mm-hmm.
And we might not be able to findthe guy now, but we can later.
And we, I love those things, bythe way.
Yes.
Love that.
a preliminary hearing that hadbeen set for March 26th was
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postponed to April 15th.
Attorney Isaiah Govia withdrewfrom the case.
And, magistrate Gardeniaappointed a public defender.
I couldn't find why he withdrewfrom the case.
He's probably I feel it takes alot.
well, a lot of times it's aconflict of interest.
Mm-hmm.
That's what I've seen mostly.
(24:32):
But he could have just said Ican't work with this client.
Like literally that's a reason.
Mm-hmm.
Like, they're not listening tome.
I can't work with this client.
And they know that if they wereto go to trial Yeah.
That it would, it's just notgonna pan out.
Or it could be that, they haveanother case that they need to
try.
Right.
It's just not So there'smultiple reasons I couldn't find
the reason.
I don't, because it wasn'treported.
(24:52):
I'm assuming it was something.
Yeah, you all know playing likehe already had court or he had
vacation coming up, or he hadhad three kids at home and
couldn't take on this kind of aserious case or didn't have the
knowledge to take on this kindof a serious case.
So, or maybe he had a pettyschedule that weekend.
Who knows?
Who knows?
Or maybe he didn't like the guy.
Anyway, true.
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Finally, on April 8th, a grandjury indicted Dees on three
counts of first degree murder.
The indictment said the victimswere bludgeoned and shot in the
head.
How terrible.
Tom was also stabbed in the neckover overkill, like just a nine
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millimeter handgun and abaseball bat were used in the
killings.
Stephanie (25:40):
That's something else.
Yeah.
Especially a random Hmm.
The
Dani (25:46):
bat.
Stephanie (25:48):
Hmm.
Dani (25:49):
Prosecutor Jan Bennett joined by Rainey, declined to
discuss whether Dees knew thevictims or if there was forced
entry or any other suspects.
Of course, they're keeping ittight.
Yep.
No decision had been made onseeking the death penalty yet
because you know, it's IdahoDees was also indicted for
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stealing jewelry and creditcards using Ted's credit cards
on March 10th.
It was so small at Sears.
Oakley the buckle ballin andbarbacoa.
Stephanie (26:24):
Barbacoa is a very popular restaurant around here.
And listen, I'm not saying I'mnot a food critic.
It is fun.
It's a, it's definitely theprices.
It's like you would do it for aspecial occasion or if your
company wants to throw a bigbash and you got the company
card.
(26:45):
Um, very beautiful scenic.
It decorated very nicely.
It's fun.
Very Instagrammable for sure.
Yeah.
Um, the bathroom for sure.
The bathrooms are iconic.
Yeah.
The best, the best bathroomselfie you're ever gonna take in
your life is going well in, inIdaho is gonna happen here.
(27:05):
Yeah.
Um, but everything's on fire forno reason.
Your food's on fire storage,more of it.
Your appetizer's on fire, yourmeal's on fire, your dessert's
on fire.
Like it's a, it's so.
I will just say it.
Love, I love the restaurant.
It's got a nice view.
They, they've got a great happyhour, but it's a little, once
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you've been there a few times,you're like, okay, I get it.
You're letting everything comefire.
We understand, but it's, it's
Dani (27:32):
expensive.
Stephanie (27:33):
It is ex, that's why.
Gotta go for happy hour for thehalf.
Price, drinks and naps.
Tableside, guac.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Dani (27:43):
Rainy said Dee's.
Two roommates.
Had finally been cleared.
What a relief for them.
Oh, and he also said about 50personnel had logged over a
thousand hours on the case sofar.
They're getting the work done.
They're like, we're gonna, we'regetting you a fucker.
Mm-hmm.
Come on In his first postindictment court appearance.
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Dees shackled to a wheelchair,appeared by video and consulted
with his attorney, Tony, get.
I'm not, I kind of got thefeeling from the reading that he
was in the wheelchair because hewas combative.
Stephanie (28:24):
Oh.
So like one of those I don'tknow what the technical term is,
but I've seen police videoswhere it's like a wheelchair,
but.
Basically to keep you fromflailing, like when someone's
booked in, I'm kind of imaginingsomething like that.
Or
Dani (28:37):
resisting.
Yes.
Moving.
They're
Stephanie (28:39):
like, well, you gotta go to court.
So,
Dani (28:41):
because
Stephanie (28:42):
we can't, we can't allow you to walk by yourself
'cause you're trying to fuckingwindmill us, bro.
Right, right.
Kinda like a spa or doesn't
Dani (28:47):
wanna go'cause he's scared.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe they just said, pop asquat and put some hand on him.
You're gonna get, and you'regoing, you're going, you're
gotta go to your court.
It's required.
Yeah.
Not an option.
Additional counts included fourcredit card forgeries, two
robberies, burglary, and a useof a deadly weapon during a
(29:10):
crime and concealing a dangerousweapon.
Everything a district courtarraignment before Judge Sam
Hoagland was set for April 16th.
So we are moving on frommagistrates, moving right along
to judges.
(29:30):
On May 14th, Dee stood silent infront of Judge Hoagland, so the
judge entered a not guilty pleafor Dees and set a trial for
September 29th.
Stephanie (29:43):
All right.
Dani (29:45):
Yeah.
On June 26th, Dees pled guiltyto three counts of first degree
murder and one count of robbery.
Wow.
In exchange,'cause they had himdead to rights, it was
meticulously dead to right.
It's, the deal.
Guaranteed life without parole.
(30:09):
The record said Tom, who wasnearly blind and deaf, suffered
a stab wound to the neck.
Okay, and all three were shot inthe head and repeatedly struck
with a wooden baseball bat.
Stephanie (30:20):
Why was that necessary?
I just, these are two elderlyfolks, one somewhat older person
that's nearly blind and deafcannot be very much of a threat
to you.
We're using three differentweapons, I just.
(30:41):
It is tough for me to pictureit.
It and I, this is me assumingI'm making a speculation, but it
feels like someone wanted to bebrutal because I can, if you
have a gun,
Dani (30:59):
why are we using a bat?
Stephanie (31:00):
Why is the bat a knife even necessary?
Hello?
Dani (31:03):
Exactly.
Stephanie (31:04):
It just seems very brutal and out of control to me.
It is.
Dani (31:13):
so you wanna hear some evidence of what happened?
Yes, I do.
A Walmart in Garden City showedsurveillance that on 5:00 PM on
March 8th, Dees was buying ablack bat ski mask and zip ties.
Okay.
Then on March 9th, he took alanes diamond ring to a jeweler
(31:35):
to sell.
Claiming he found it on theroadside red flag.
You know, that that guy was likemm-hmm.
You found it on the road.
So as soon as, as soon asinvestigators were like, we're
looking for, and the judge waslike, I got it.
You knew He is like he red flagflag that he probably
Stephanie (31:53):
had it in the like, dangerous file.
Yeah.
Like the big red flag file.
Well, and
Dani (31:58):
these guys came, they had money.
Mm-hmm.
So it was probably a very nicering.
Yeah.
investigators said he stoletools, jewelry, and of course
the credit cards dip shit.
He used the cards at TwoMountain Home Stores and several
Boise stores, and also ditchedevidence at several of those
(32:20):
locations.
Smarty.
Ted's luggage was in the trashbehind Barba coa.
Stephanie (32:27):
I bet it was nice luggage too,
Dani (32:30):
and but it, and it held the bloody bat that was
shattered in two, and the Tedsaw the bat matched Thomas's
blood.
Stephanie (32:42):
Easy, easy, like you said, dead to rights.
But once again, I'm not tryingto encourage people to be
better.
It's just so disappointing thatthere's.
What year was this?
15.
There was still such a wealth ofinformation out there about the
internet
Dani (33:00):
was there, bro?
Stephanie (33:01):
Yes.
And there was date, a DatelineDateline of, you know, you just
listen to that and you hear the,the same mistakes over and over.
You
Dani (33:10):
could even go back.
Old school unsolved mysteries.
Stephanie (33:13):
Exactly.
What are we do?
Like if you're going to commityourself to something this
terrible, which I'm notencouraging, the lack of
foresight is astounding to me.
Dani (33:30):
After the Best Buy arrest, police recovered Ted's shoes and
a ski mask dumped there handy.
It's like, just sprinkle it,sprinkle.
We've got
Stephanie (33:40):
the card ping, we've got the camera footage, we've
got your car.
All we had to do was look in thedumpster and you use the handy
dandy dumpster that was rightthere.
Because listen, I'm a sucker forconvenience.
I hate making extra trips to doanything.
I'm sorry.
I will literally kill myself tomake one trip with groceries
(34:02):
into the house.
So going, you know, if I have togo to the Best Buy to get my new
sound system for my Subaru so Ican be bumping and get all the,
all the, all the gentleman andladies with my bump and car
system, I, I get it.
You don't wanna go to adifferent dumpster, but if
you've, if you've committed oneof the worst crimes.
(34:26):
Terrible things, and you don'twanna be in jail for the rest of
your life.
Maybe a little quick trip to adifferent dumpster would be in
your best interest saying Stopit at Jackson's.
I'm just, I'm just saying
Dani (34:37):
stop it at Jackson's
Stephanie (34:38):
stop at a stop at a construction site where there
hopefully isn't cameras.
Hey, that's an idea.
Don't, don't listen to theserial killers.
Do not listen to this.
Ear muff.
Ear muffet.
But I'm just, I.
It's tough for me if, if you'redoing so the big stupidity,
like, that's serious.
(34:58):
So stupid.
You wanna sit down.
I wouldn't do this, but ifsomething like this happened to
me or a friend, I, I would belike thinking of every possible
thing.
And this is, it's so, even justwith movies, like the ability to
be just so fucking dumb with itbaffles me every fucking time.
Dani (35:21):
And this is real life.
And he was an idiot.
Yes.
The Welp family supported theplea to avoid a long trial and
appeals.
I agree.
I can totally get behind that.
Like he can't, he's nevergetting out.
He can't contest it.
He can't appeal by, you don'thave to be drug back into the
courtroom.
(35:41):
Right.
And relive your family'smurders.
Again and try to justify to anew girl or, and then the
anxiety of having all that comeup.
I can't even, Ima like, I gottago fight this again, of someone
Stephanie (35:53):
being like, they found Jesus, or they did this
community.
S you know, they're doing thisfor the jail.
Look good for you.
Meet'em later.
Bye.
Like, I hope that's enrichingfor your life in there.
That's great that you're doingthat.
Please enrich your life in thereand maybe become a better
person.
But why the
Dani (36:08):
fuck do we want you on the streets?
Don't wanna hear you.
Bye.
On the August 28th sentencinghearing, Catherine, their
daughter, told these quote, youtook my mother's life, father's
life, brother's life.
Now we take yours one minute ata time.
Stephanie (36:32):
Fuck yeah, sis.
That is cutting.
And I do like that.
Fuck yeah.
Because I like when they givethem something to think about
and it listen.
Everything doesn't have to becutting or biting or whatever.
But I can tell you if someonesaid that to me that every
minute we're taking that fromyou, we, it's ours, and he's 22
(36:55):
that would sit with me.
Yeah.
Dani (36:58):
Oh, she fucking killed.
Killed it.
It puts a reality on it.
And you know what?
So classy too.
Mm-hmm.
Because I would like to thinkI'd be classy in that situation
like, you're a motherfucker.
Stephanie (37:08):
No, I'd
Dani (37:08):
be
Stephanie (37:08):
getting rested for so classy, like for a windmill and
a bitch probably
Dani (37:12):
there, he's, she's just like, you did this and this.
And she's saying to go fuckyourself.
Your life's ours now.
Very politely and in a beautifulway.
So way to go, sis.
Yes.
Hundred percent.
What a heartbreak for her.
I fucking, but I love myparents.
Make it into their fuckingeighties and you fucking
(37:34):
cowardly fucking dick.
There was
Stephanie (37:37):
no need for
Dani (37:38):
it.
No.
He could have senseless.
Oh, and my deaf and blindbrother.
You could have just fucking, youcould have just tied him up.
Probably used a soft rope.
Or a tie and just tied theirhands behind their back and took
whatever the fuck you wanted.
There was no need for guns andbashing.
Stephanie (37:58):
Yeah.
Stolen all their, theirvaluables that were physical and
gone to another state.
And you might have not even beencaught if that was the case.
Wow.
He had to get that Subaru
Dani (38:08):
bump in.
Stephanie (38:10):
Yes, we needed, he needed a sound
Dani (38:12):
system right now, first priority judge Sam Hoagland
imposed life without parole foreach victim plus 25 years for
robbery.
Detective Jared Watson said Deeslingered after the killings.
He emptied Ted's wallet.
Elaine's purse and her jewelrybox.
(38:33):
And this is a weird,
Stephanie (38:34):
so he was very meticulous at
Dani (38:36):
this point.
This is a, he Dees shoved theleft crossbar of a crucifix into
the wall above Elaine'snightstand.
So literally took a crucifix andlike stabbed it on the wall.
Maybe
Stephanie (38:53):
try, maybe.
Oh, they're gonna think it's aSatanic cult.
Yep.
Dani (38:57):
Uh,
Stephanie (38:58):
that's your best idea.
Like
Dani (39:01):
Char Charles Manson was here.
Y'all fucking suck at this shit,and you should have never gotten
into this career path.
Over the next two days, Dee'sused the Weps cards for
purchases.
We know this, but let me giveyou some details, including a
$2,500 television.
Stephanie (39:21):
Ooh, balling
Dani (39:22):
a$200 mail, a barbacoa.
We told you it was expensive.
And that
Stephanie (39:27):
was, this was 10 years ago.
Yes.
Dani (39:30):
Uh, and then in Ted's discarded suitcase, police found
the shattered bat.
Three spent shell casingskeeping all the evidence
together.
Making it nice and tidy.
Yeah.
Put it,
Stephanie (39:43):
address it to the investigators At this point,
what the fuck are we doing?
And 10 lanes, driver's licenses.
Hello.
Why did you need to take those?
What benefit?
What benefit They're gonna knowwho it is easily.
You can find out who it is.
Property records, fingerprints,any, why are we taking in ke?
(40:05):
Did you, was this your firstbout at trying to be a serial
killer and these are your littletrophies.
You absolute dip shit.
Dani (40:13):
Not, not getting it.
put Remember the raid on thehouse?
Yes.
With all the roommates.
There was some evidence pulledout of there.
Uh,'cause they found Elaine'spearls and earrings, indies,
Nampa closets.
Like it's there.
You're bringing it home.
Stephanie (40:33):
What are you doing with pearls, bro?
Holding them in your house as aroommate?
and just like you said, thejeweler, as soon as this came
out was like, listen up.
I got it.
I got it.
It's you.
You walking into a jewelry storewith that type of ring.
I mean, this isn't any shade andI, but it's,
Dani (40:56):
I found it.
People
Stephanie (40:56):
that deal in big jewelry and you know, nice
things
Dani (41:01):
they know.
They've seen it all.
Oh, you mean this.
This is what I imagine if I wasa jeweler and a 22-year-old kid
came out with a diamond ring,I'd be like, you stole this from
your mom.
Yeah, that's what I would do.
You stole this from yourgrandma.
You stole this from your auntie.
You stole this from somebody and
Stephanie (41:17):
they'll, if it's your rich family, they'll probably
forgive you.
Yeah.
And it'll all roll over.
So that's why you're not
Dani (41:23):
that, that jeweler definitely set that ring aside.
Yes.
I fucking promise you.
Mm-hmm.
Stephanie (41:26):
Because he
Dani (41:27):
is like there, because you have, you have to give Id, you
have to give id, he probablyjust is like, I'm collecting,
I'm, I'm basically a detectivenow.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Stephanie (41:39):
This is just wild.
Dani (41:42):
These apologize.
I don't care.
Uh, his attorney said he wentinto Rob the WAPs and quote,
something horrible happened.
He bought a happened.
He look at that, he happened.
Stephanie (41:56):
If you cannot rob people in their eighties or near
eighties and a deaf and blindson, if you cannot rob them
effectively without killingthem.
You are a fucking loser.
Dani (42:11):
Something horrible happened.
Yes, you happened.
Prosecutors countered withWalmart stills and described the
bindings, the beatings, and thehead shots.
Nagel said quote, he torturedthese people and noted that
disgusting.
He, he really did.
Like you said, he could havejust tied these guys up by gun
(42:34):
gunpoint.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe, maybe not.
But he could have just tied'emup and stole what he wanted.
There was no reason for tomurder
Stephanie (42:43):
everyone and to do it brutally with three different
weapons.
Yeah.
Dani (42:47):
Why are we doing
Stephanie (42:48):
this Three different known weapons.
That's probably not counting anyphysical violence of if there
was a scuffle or anything.
No, he was there.
That's what, that's my opinionis that he was there for.
Brutality.
And I think he also wantedmoney.
He was outta work, whatever.
But I think that he, there wasviolence.
(43:08):
He tended that he was some typeof villain Yeah.
That could do this.
Dani (43:13):
and I wish, I wish we had money because I would love to
hear this, this jail phone call.
I wish we could go get therecords, but, it was also noted
that Dees had joked about themurders in a jail phone call.
Stephanie (43:25):
What an absolute cunt.
Dani (43:26):
Mm-hmm.
So on August 31st and a debriefrequired by the plea bargain,
Dees told detective he chose theCartright Roadhouse because it
was remote and looked affluent.
I don't think he said affluent.
(43:47):
He probably said they lookedrich big.
Well, they have money.
Yeah, he said heavy exposure.
This was so 2015, heavy exposureto first person shooter games,
made killing, quote, notdifficult and claimed he acted
alone.
(44:07):
And he did.
De admitted was his first homeinvasion robbery, stating he
might have repeated if he hadn'tbeen caught.
Stephanie (44:18):
And that is so wild because how do you not even
reflect?
Let's say that you panic.
Dani (44:25):
That's a fucking inside thought anyways.
Look, if I'm getting debriefed,I'm gonna tell you.
I'm not gonna tell you Iwould've never done that again.
No,
Stephanie (44:35):
he said he would've.
He would.
But you would say that.
Yeah.
Right.
If you had more than one braincell, because then you can say,
I got myself into something.
I didn't even know what I wasdoing.
I panicked.
Yes, I, it could help.
I thought it was a video game,bro.
You're telling people that.
(44:55):
Given the chance you do itagain.
Sure.
Even though you fucking onesucked at it the first time.
But two, this is a danger to thepublic and probably two in one
should be reversed.
But what, like, what the fuck
Dani (45:10):
he said he was depressed and suicidal.
Stephanie (45:12):
Aw, I'm, I'm sorry.
That's how I feel too.
I, I'm not saying that's not abig deal.
I just, suicidal, repeatable.
Dani (45:19):
Listen, suicidal people, they're not
Stephanie (45:22):
doing
Dani (45:22):
this.
They, they're not.
They're only concerned abouttheir themselves therapy pain.
They feel a burden.
Stephanie (45:29):
Yes.
Yes.
Dani (45:29):
They're not worried.
They're not going out.
Oh, I need to go steal somemoney.
No.
And then big balling
Stephanie (45:38):
after and yeah.
Hurting people with weapons.
I'm gonna go have a$200
Dani (45:41):
mil of barbacoa.
Thank you.
Stephanie (45:44):
Fuck you.
No, this is literally likecriminal.
Treat yourself.
What the fuck?
Dani (45:50):
So he said he used Google Maps.
To scout remote high-end homesaround the Boise and mountain
home area.
He then, this is, this is whyhe's such a fucking bad.
He's a bad dude.
Anyways, this was all fuckingpremeditated.
Oh yeah.
He then staked out the residenceon March 8th.
So he drove up there and then hecame back home and put on his
(46:14):
dark clothing with guns.
His, his little murder kit thathe bought it, his murder kit at
Walmart.
I.
He said he first broke into asecond house under construction
to take power tools and thenentered the main house through
an open garage door.
Oh shit.
Using keys found inside of atruck to get inside the house.
(46:37):
They did lock their house
Stephanie (46:38):
doors and that's so shit like that's so shitty that
he was able to do it that way.
that's probably the most.
Logical thing.
I guess you could say that he's,he had done this whole time, but
that's just, I, I could makethat mistake so easily.
(47:01):
Absolutely.
And it's just,
Dani (47:06):
he also said the security system was not armed and that if
he would have left, if it hadbeen,
Stephanie (47:13):
if you start hearing alarms going off, it's a huge
deterrent.
Dani (47:17):
And he also said he would've left if the family had
owned a larger dog.
And that's,
Stephanie (47:26):
listen, I don't
Dani (47:26):
know if I believe that though, because he had a gun,
Stephanie (47:30):
but he had a gun and he still, he's
Dani (47:32):
dog blaming.
Stephanie (47:34):
Yeah.
We don't dog blame and shame.
No, everyone doesn't need tohave a big dog.
But I will say, listen up.
I know that this is, theexperience for a lot of folks
with big dogs is they do have avery intimidating bark and
sometimes they have the bite tomatch.
Not always, but someone, Gordysomeone who is nervous enough
(47:58):
to, you know, it's, it's a nervewracking thing to break into
someone's house, and I don'tknow if anyone's ever seen
getting bit by a dog or been bitby a dog themselves.
I am not fucking with a big assdog with a big ass bark.
Dani (48:15):
But if you had a gun,
Stephanie (48:17):
maybe,
Dani (48:18):
but then you'd wake up, ma, look, we're getting deep.
Stephanie (48:21):
Yeah.
Now we're getting, we're makingit messy.
There's more evidence it's, I Ido feel like that's a big deter.
So I, I think it's nice that hesaid these things that are a
deterrent for someone doingtheir first time doing a big b
and e.
Of this would've deterred me.
that's helpful that he sharedthat, but still a dick.
(48:42):
You, you could have every, everydefense up and it could still
happen.
So this isn't to like paranoiaanyone, but even if you live in
a safe town where you feel likeyou can leave your doors
unlocked, just lock'em not toblame and shame, but it's
something that if somethingsomeone did for some random
(49:03):
reason, target you.
Might deter them.
Like,
Dani (49:09):
I feel bad.
Stephanie (49:10):
I feel I cannot believe the depravity of this
story.
Dani (49:17):
Yeah.
Unnecessary, senseless.
None of those people were athreat to him.
Stephanie (49:22):
No.
A a young spry, 22-year-oldagainst a mostly deaf and blind
older gentleman, and then twoelderly, a couple.
What
Dani (49:34):
a and a little dog.
Go fuck yourself.
De uh, he's currently 32.
Stephanie (49:40):
Good God, that's wild.
Dani (49:42):
And we'll be serving three life, three consecutive life
sentences without thepossibility Parole.
And he is down in good old, uh,ola the Ro Correctional Center
in Arizona,
Stephanie (49:57):
please.
At your leisure, Mr.
Dees Rot.
Dani (50:04):
He's down there with several of his good old besties.
Yeah, horrible besties.
Anyway, th this was just sad andtragic and these were really
good people and they just cameback to Idaho
Stephanie (50:16):
and just knowing that you were the target because of
Google Maps and just fuckingweird ass assumptions of a
22-year-old loser, and you.
It's just absolutely terrible.
I feel bad for their family and
Dani (50:33):
de you're a fucker.
I just, yeah.
Stephanie (50:39):
Yeah.
A crime of fucking stupidity anda lot of stupid stuff going Dip
shitness.
Yeah.
Not a crime of passion or, andnot, not that that's right.
But you at least understand whythat happens a little bit.
This is fucking stupid.
Anyway, thank you guys forlistening.
(51:02):
Thank you, Danny, for findingthis case and researching it.
it's one that I've alwayswondered about'cause it's one
that I could remember justhearing, you know, bits and
pieces on the nightly news, ournightly local news as everyone
does around that timeframe.
and I never really rememberedthe resolve of it, but I
remember how big and urgent itwas like.
This terrible thing happened andthere was,
Dani (51:23):
it was fucking home invasion.
Yes.
Stephanie (51:25):
They put the urgency out there.
Mm-hmm.
And it was scary because it wasunexplainable and so out of
character for Idaho.
For sure.
Yeah.
So thank you Danny.
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(51:50):
Okay.
Any closing thoughts?
Danny?
That's all I got tonight, sis.
Alright, well enjoy.
Have a great day, weekend, week,whatever's coming up for you and
we'll catch you on the next one.
Dani (52:02):
Bye
Stephanie (52:03):
bye.
Dani (52:26):
tonight's episode is brought to you by Jared's poker
game that he planned on thenight.
We're recording, so thank you.
Stephanie (52:33):
Thank you everyone.
Love you.
Thank you for being a part ofour podcast.
It's a, it's a group efforthere.
These are our sound engineers.
We love them deeply and dearly.
Oh, we do.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.