From Addiction to Elite-level Trail Runner, How following your PASSION can change your life.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I remember being with Megan one day and she said
you need to choose between this.
And held a can of EB and me andI thought can I have some time
to think about that?
I mean she, we laugh about itnow and I mean that's where I
was at.
You want to impress someone?
Impress yourself.
Yeah.
Fuck it.
I'm sick of trying to like makepeople happy.
I'd rather just be myself.
And if people like me, they do,and, and if they don't, that's

(00:20):
okay too.
I've kind of got used to that.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
The answer is not in learning how to run a better
business or understanding yournumbers.
The answer is in you, yeah, andso that's why I like these
stories.
G'day guys, welcome back toanother episode of Level Up.
We are back in the shed thisafternoon for another cracking

(00:43):
episode.
The guest I've got on for youtoday is quite random, actually.
I'll give you a little bit ofbackstory before we get going.
But a lot of you will know thatI've been putting a lot into my
training over the last sort ofsix to eight months, and three
weeks ago Shay and I and twoother mates did the 48-kiloda

(01:04):
challenge and we're training forthat a lot up the sunshine
coast, doing a few hill walksand things, and we met this guy,
brett, from run, queensland.
How are you, buddy?
Pretty good mate.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Thanks for having me on pretty random very random.
I was uh 30k into a 50ktraining run.
You look like you've juststarted mate yeah, just picked
my son up probably 10k beforethat and he did the back 30k
with me.
He's 21, which was you know.
It's nice to spend a few hourswith my son out in the bush.
There we're on jack ferrislookout.
We, we all climbed thattogether and, uh, you met

(01:37):
yourself and shay and startedtalking about running and the
event you did.
I've sort of been uh, followingyou guys a little bit with the
running and was prettyinterested to see how you went
with your event.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
We went well, mate, but I um, yeah, I just, I know
now there's things I should havedone that my trainer was
telling me with my knees andthings, but I was cooked by the
end of it like my knees werehurting you're certainly not a
true trail runner, becauseusually the best thing about
trail running is tellingeveryone about what you did I've
been been waiting for.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I've listened to a couple well, I've listened to
tons of your podcasts actuallysince we met, yeah, and I kind
of was waiting for these resultsand I'm like where are they?
Where are they?
And I couldn't find themactually online and Shea sent me
a link.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, I put them on my.
I talked about a bit on mysocials and my instagram, but,
um, the like I I don't know whatit is, mate, but I just felt a
real connection with you when wetalked that day and I and I
reached out to you to come on,because this podcast is about
telling stories.
Yes, it's a it's to do with theconstruction industry and, um,
better building and all thosetypes of things, but I think
you've got a lot to offer.
Like I, I left after meetingyou that day like we drove home

(02:46):
just inspired in the car, like,holy shit, like that bloke's
unreal, like he's gonna run 160kilometers, and so tell us about
your race, because you've doneyour race, too, since we met
yeah, like I've been ultrarunning um since I was uh,
probably 35, so it's a longwhile ago now.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, I'm 52 now and still going.
Like everyone told me my kneeswould be buggered by now and all
that, so they're not, you're abloody good-looking 52-year-old.
If this is what running does,I'm going to keep doing it.
I'll tell you what I'm bloodygood getting on this podcast now
.
Yeah, so I kind of got given abook in 2007 by my father-in-law

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called Ultramarathon manConfessions of an All-Night
Runner.
Dean Karnasas was his name andI read this book from you know
cover to the back in reallyquick time and he talked about
his experience of a race that Ihave been to now in America and
I decided I'd go past my normal7k loop.

(03:47):
I didn't I've run a little bitlonger, but not nothing long and
I just ran and just ran and Ikind of ended up I just kept
running and, um, I ran about24ks and I had no water.
I didn't know that.
I mean, I don't know if youguys have had this experience.
I didn't know that you'reprobably going to go to the
toilet early in the morning.
So, lucky for me, I found luckypeople dump stuff around

(04:08):
Glasshouse, so I found a KFC boxand that was very lubricated.
But anyway, one of thosemoments that I was like God,
what is this?
And I got home, I was exhausted, fell asleep, I woke up and I
thought that was amazing.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
My wife cup and thought that was amazing.
My wife couldn't believe.
I actually sat down during theday because I'm pretty hypo and,
um, because that was that wassomething we talked about a
little bit, like we literallylike I think you caught you come
up behind us like we werewalking, you were running and,
um, we just started chatting andthen, next thing, you know,
we're at a bit of a lookout andwe we all just pulled up for
whatever it was 10-15 minutes,had a bit of a chat.
But that was something elsethat interested me, because you
talked about ADHD and how therunning calms you and all that

(04:50):
sort of thing, and that'ssomething I like talking about
on this podcast, because a lotof people in the construction
industry have those types ofthings.
But what were you doing beforethat?
What's?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
your background.
Well, well, yeah, I've alwaysloved sport, um, I mean, I was
playing lawn bowls when I was 15um and got into greenkeeping.
So I'm a greenkeeper by tradeum in sydney and left sydney and
then came up here and justcouldn't get.
Well, I couldn't get a job thatpaid any money and I had a
young family.
So I ended up being a postiefor a bit and then I got into

(05:31):
the running and like I was doinga lot of jobs, different things
up around here, working as acontract mail person and a bit
of greenkeeping at the littleglasshouse bowls club there,
whatever it could pick up.
And then I was doing therunning and there was another
fellow there and I said I wonderif you could make a business
out of running.
And he had a couple of racesand then we just started moving

(05:54):
forward with it and I reallywanted to.
There's a race in Sydney calledit's called Ultra Trail
Australia, but it's called NorthFace 100 in the Blue Mountains
and I'd been and done it and Iwanted to do something like that
up here and so I did a bit ofrecce runs and that up in
mapleton we came up with a blackor 100, but no one would let us

(06:16):
in the national park and I justcouldn't work out how do you,
how do you do this sort of thing?
And we had smaller races andstuff.
And I just went and spoke to asomeone.
Said in national parks,actually, we hate it when we get
talked to by politicians and Ithought what does he mean by
that?
So I went to the politiciansand I showed them and I said,
look, this is an event we do inSydney and I take a lot of

(06:37):
people with me.
I usually have eight friendsand we, you know, spend a lot of
money and all that sort ofstuff.
And as soon as you starttalking money, politicians seem
to listen and it seemed to beinterested in much else.
And, um, about three days laterI had a call from national
parks and we had this event took18 months, which you probably
can appreciate, just with yourevent that you've done.

(06:58):
Um, the other day, with yourlevel up, which I'd love to hear
a little bit more about ifyou're happy to share about
that- too, but it was brutal andwe got this little race going
and we put it on in 2014 for thefirst time, and I owed a lot of
people a lot of money afterthat and I so I was working my
jobs trying to cover this raceand, luckily for me, I had these
relationships with these people.

(07:20):
They believed in what we weredoing and they believed in about
getting people onto the trail.
I think it's something thatsaved my life.
My wife calls it my soul workwhen she sees me doing what I do
, especially in the long races,because you go into spaces that
I think people pay a lot ofmoney for drugs for.
But I get to do that in thesemoments when you just think you

(07:44):
can't do anymore and you've gotnothing left.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You've done well for yourself.
Because the other thing, Ithink everything happens for a
reason and you don't just runinto people for random.
I don't know what it is yet,I'm sure it's going to poke its
head out at some point, butthere's a reason.
We ran into each other that day.
I'm a big believer in that.

(08:10):
You, you've got to be, you'vegot to look after everyone and
just through our littleconversation like we I don't
know how it come up, but we um,I think you might have been
talking about your oh, you had,I think you had bananas with
your son and you're telling ushow you picked them from home.
And then that led into you'vegot a food forest and I was
telling you how we've just metthis guy and we're doing his
design in our yard and it turnsout it's the same bloody guy.
And then you were telling mehow awesome it is and you've had

(08:30):
it three years and youliterally walk out your yard and
you pick your food and stuff.
So I think you're an example ofwhat a lot of people are trying
to achieve.
You're following your dreamsand you've made it into a living
and you're living a veryhealthy, connected, comfortable
life.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, look, the business of the running.
Just quickly, with that I don'tmake a lot of money.
I get a lot more than thatanyway from watching people do
what I've always loved doing.
You know, when we do the BlackHole, we've got 24 hours to
finish it.
So there's people that aregoing to walk that whole thing

(09:12):
and they'll walk across thatline and I can see the tears and
I understand what they're goingthrough and I get teary with it
when I'm doing it with them.
See that, sorry, you know Ihaven't slept like them.
I'm waiting for them and youknow I haven't slept like them.
I'm waiting for them and youknow, I know what they've gone
through to get there and itmeans a lot to me to be able to
share that and yeah, so that'spretty cool.
So, and then I think the otherstuff that's happened is my

(09:35):
wife's really connected to theplanet, like, and I'm lucky that
I met her.
So, um, and you know, we, Ithink I actually think this.
I've contemplated this becauseI've listened to your podcast.
It's really weird because Ilisten to people say I can't get
enough of his podcast, and Ilistened to the first one and I
thought this isn't really likeit's about building.

(09:55):
But it's not about building tome, it's about.
When I listen to you.
I can hear that you'repassionate about everything.
I just walk through your yardand I'm like does he build these
things as well, like you've got?
tiny freaking tiny homes.
I'm like this guy doeseverything your passion's.
You know, I can see yourpassion and I can feel that and
I could feel that that day,those you know, Shay and Brett,

(10:17):
was there with you and I didn'tget to meet your fourth guy in
that run.
And you know, then I listenedto the podcast.
Oh, that's why I met this guy,because he's all about improving
oneself and not pointing thefinger at other people and
trying to take responsibilityand I think that's what I've
tried to do.

(10:37):
I'm not great at it all the time, but you know, and that
regenerative farming thing thatyou spoke about, we had these
old macadamias that were justshit.
We thought we were going to bemacadamia farmers when we moved
to Glasshouse and they were sorun down and the soil was dead.
And we met Tiago from SyntropicSolutions and within three

(10:59):
weeks we cut down 40 macadamiasthat became part of the garden.
We recycled all the trees inthe same way that you're
recycling houses and put theminto the garden.
And you know they want to puteucalypts every one meter and
I'm like what what are theytalking about?
and I just trusted that theyknew what they were doing and
they've brought this from theirculture, from brazil.
And you know, I'm pulling outvegetables now and bits of trees

(11:22):
and stuff I don't even know.
I I didn't even know of them,like things like cassava.
And then I've got Braziliansthat come to my house that
randomly I meet and we're makingall these dishes out of these
foods that I thought were just.
You know, we're classified asweeds and I'm like you know,
pineapples under every bloodyeucalyptus, every meter, and you

(11:45):
know we're eating thesebeautiful pineapples that grow
in the shade.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I love it, mate.
So good.
I just think there's somethingabout being able to walk out
into your own garden and pickyour own food.
I just think it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
It is.
I mean, at the moment we'regetting the citrus, at the
moment it's just unreal.
And you know, we don't spray,we don't fertilize, we don't
water and this thing grows likeit's pumping.
It's just the bananas in winter, you know, and things that I
was told, as a tradesperson,wouldn't happen are just

(12:15):
happening.
Things don't grow undereucalypts.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, being a greenkeeper, you'd be all about
fertilizers.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh my God, mate, I've got a green shirt on, but it
may.
I'll tell you underneath it's awonder I'm not glowing green
from it, the amount of sprays,and that I mean.
I watch those guys playing lawnbowls and I think, man, I'm
surprised half those guys ain'tgot cancer.
Because you know, you spray forAfrican black beetle which I
think I don't know if you'reallowed to use those chemicals

(12:40):
anymore, but they're almost likethe termite ones.
I think they are chloropyrophos, I think that's a term, I'm not
sure.
I'm pretty sure that's theactive ingredient in it.
Um, and then you'd see themlick their fingers as they roll
their bowl you know what I mean.
And then they pick the bowl upand I'm like gosh, you know, and
we'd be in space suits.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
So we're spraying in the middle of summer and let's
see, people don't, most peopledon't even think about that, but
there's, there's chemicalseverywhere, it's everywhere like
we um, I'm very conscious of itnow, just in building, like
with the products that our teamare handling, like, yeah, I'm
pushing them all the time likewash your hands, wear gloves,
like it's because all of thatstuff's affecting us totally, I

(13:20):
mean listening to you, some ofthe podcasts of yours.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I'm blown away, away.
I'm hearing, I mean that fellowwith the solar.
Yeah, I was like 40% of thebloody planet's silver goes into
solar.
I'm like how is this helpingthe planet?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, it's not, mate.
I mean, we've been going allday about that.
Yeah, I definitely got views onthat.
I think all that stuff's just amassive big rort.
But look, there's only justbeen an article coming out in
the last few days like theaustralia is about to shut down
its first ever solar farm.
Like it's not even I don't know.
I think it's.
Someone will give me shit ortell me I got the numbers wrong

(13:55):
or whatever.
It's like 18 or 22 years old orsomething, and it's the
maintenance and the cost torepair it is outweighing the
cost of leaving it there.
So not even counting, not eventaking into account the actual
windmills themselves, orwhatever they're called, they're
now going to leave over 200,000tons of concrete in the ground.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, it's just.
It's so ridiculous I think thatthe planet's in trouble.
I really do.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
We keep going the way we're going.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I don't think we're connected?
I don't think that and I don'tthink it's by accident either.
I don't think we're connectedto the planet in the way that we
should be.
And when you start talking likethat, you kind of get ridiculed
for it or made to be a fool.
And it's like you know of getridiculed for it or made to be a
fool and it's like you knowsomeone's going to worry about
whether it's 18 to 22 years old,not the fact that it's failed

(14:51):
and it's crap and it's leavingthis massive footprint that
nothing's going to grow on for,I don't know, probably ever and
the amount, like just the amountof everything that had to go
into making that and the landthat was destroyed to build it
and now it's just going to beleft there to deteriorate and
fucking look like an eyesore.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, um, I think it's disgusting, but I like I
can't believe how many, like Idon't know how long ago it was
we met.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
It wasn't that long ago two months, two or three
months maybe yeah, but um,you've listened to a lot of
podcasts in that time I do a lotof driving and sometimes when
I'm running I think I've beenoff podcasts for such a long
time because I used to listen toa lot of running ones and you
know, I guess after a while, butyou're bringing in so many
different people I'm kind oflike, what's this one about this

(15:35):
time?
And you know that book.
I'm talking about theConfessions of an All-Night
Runner.
It wasn't about running.
I mean, yeah, he ran.
I'm talking about theconfessions of an all-night
runner.
It wasn't about running.
I mean, yeah, he ran.
But this guy was on his 30thbirthday, pissed, hated his job,
was thinking of kind of likethere's this moment where this
bird says he wants to dance forsomething about being married

(15:57):
and he said, I'm sorry, was sortof dancing with him.
And she asked was he married?
And he said yeah, and she goes,I don't worry, so am I.
And he's gone home and put hiswork clothes on and just ran 50
kilometers and from that momenthe said, oh, I've got to change
my life, this is what I want todo.
And he was in a reallyhigh-paying job but he was dying
inside.
And I just think there's somany people that are doing that

(16:28):
with their lives and it's likeyou only get one crack at it.
So you know, I mean I'm kind of, am I lucky?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I don't know if I'm lucky with what I do.
I feel I don't think any of us.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I feel like I'm really blessed and I feel like
you're gonna create your ownpath, totally, and I feel like
you know you're running alongand next minute I'm talking.
Well, I didn't tell you aboutthe japan run, so, yeah, that
would that.
Sorry, that's where we started,wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Look, definitely let's tell the audience about
the Japan run.
But, mate, I think it'simportant to get people like
yourself on this podcast and foryou and I to connect and have
these conversations, because Iam so committed now to showing
people that if you're not right,nothing around you can be right
.
So I'm on a mission my missionis definitely well and truly

(17:09):
taken off for creating a newbuilding industry, but the
answer is not in getting, likelearning how to run a better
business or understanding yournumbers.
The answer is in you, and sothat's why I like these stories
and meeting people like yourself, because it's all relatable, it
all ties in and I guess itshows people.

(17:33):
I think life has to be a heap ofexperiences.
So meeting you was anexperience.
I left that conversation, wegot in the car and we're like
that bloke was unreal, like hisenergy, he was off the charts,
like what a great bloke Like.
So you've given me anexperience and I think that's
how we should live our lives,like everything we do should be

(17:53):
an experience that we look backon, we reflect on and we we
appreciate the people we meet,the things we do, the food we
eat, the places we go and whenyou can do that, well,
everything else just falls intoplace, yeah, and so I definitely
want to hear about your japanthing.
But I also want to come back toafter that.
You said like you're gettingyour head on those big runs when

(18:16):
there's nothing else to do.
You like?
you go to some pretty wildplaces.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, um, tell us about japan first, all right, so
yeah, so japan, I met you guys.
I think probably three weeks.
Yeah, it would have been aboutthree weeks before.
On that I'll say six weeks,because I know I usually do a
50k run six weeks before a race.
Um, yeah, we started at 5 pmright under mount fuji and um 5

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pm on the friday, on Anzac Day25th, and I finally crossed the
line on Sunday morning at about3 am and in between that it was
just brutal.
It was just so they don't go upFuji because they have a lot of
respect for their nature andthat's their spiritual, like a
spiritual home for the Japaneseis Fujisan.

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So we didn't get to go up that,but we went around.
I think we went up mountainsnearly as big as it.
But um, yeah, it was going goodfor about 30ks and then we hit
this 1000 meter climb and itjust went on for I think the
next 10ks took me three hoursand then I thought, oh shit, I'm
in for it now and it just wenton.
From there I met.
I met um, another aussie guyduring the race.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
That was pretty cool, but so how many people are in a
race like this?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
there was two.
Well, it's massive over there.
The japanese love it 2400 holyshit 1100, only 1300 finished,
so 1100 dropped out.
Um, yeah, I think I was aboutmaybe 290th or something like
that.
Not too bad for an old fella.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Mate, you've killed it.
So how do you start with thatmany people?
It's all in groups, they dogroups.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, so they did groups, four groups of 600.
We had to get bussed to thestart for about an hour and a
half.
So it was really hard because Imean, you guys, when you did
your walk you would have startedin the morning, in the morning.
Yeah so we, you know you had toget up, you had to get to the
start, do your race beeps, gohome.
I sort of sat around for a bitat a cup of tea, then went back
on a bloody shuttle bus thing tothe start.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Then we had to get shuttled an hour and a half to
the start because you're just,you're starting in a time when
your body's starting to winddown.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
So that becomes tricky at night, especially
around that two to three, you'rereally wanting to have a bit of
a doze off, and then, as thesun comes up, it's magic Mate.
It's nothing like it the nextday when that sun starts to come
up.
Do you know the energy fromsunrise?
Yeah, we should be getting that.
You know the vitamin?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Circadian rhythm mate .

Speaker 1 (20:39):
The blue light.
Sorry, you know the blue lightwe should be getting in when we
wake up.
Yeah, you know all about it now.
Um, and that red light at nightand watching the sunset again,
it's amazing, and and all thebits in between and yeah.
So, but going into night two, Ithought, oh, this is full on
and I had high hopes of beingdone by 30 hours, so about about

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maybe 10, 11 o'clock at nightthe next night and it just went
on and it was just brutal.
But the japanese are amazing.
They have um, checkpoints.
Like for the first, 100k washard because I were every about
25ks so I made a bit tricky so Ihad no crew.
It's the first time I've neverhad crew.
Normally you can have a crewperson that would like.
It's usually my wife, megan.
She'd meet me at, say, 25 50and have my gear and my little

(21:24):
treats and stuff that I like.
And um, yeah, I had no one thistime because we didn't know how
to work out with cars and stuff.
So anyway, I just did it on myown.
But it was beautiful because Ihad like udon noodles and
freaking barley tea and littlebits of chocolate and all these
squishy.
I can't remember moshi I thinkit's called mishi all these bean
paste and stuff.

(21:44):
So so do you have anything withyou you have to carry?
Um, I think it was a liter ofwater.
That's your minimum.
I had about a liter and a halfbecause I knew it was 25ks and I
could see some of the climbsare going to take me a bit.
Um, I had a little bit of foodI.
I used to try and use thosegels.
I don't know if you guys hadthat, any that stuff.

(22:04):
I can't get it down anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
So I had fucking bags of lollies, Did you?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
So yeah, I mean I don't know if you got sick on
that.
Did you get sick on it?
No, no.
So if you're going, usuallywhen you're running with that,
you can't.
It's hard to digest food, yeah,so if you eat too much, what
ends up happening is you'll gotits up and you'll start spewing
everywhere and you go green,and all that because you can't
digest the food, because it'strying to power your legs and

(22:30):
keep you alive, sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
And um I smashed my food mate.
They can like they.
They're like at the halfwaypoint like what are you doing?
What are you eating?
I was like give me more, I'mstarving yeah, well, you got to
be.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
You could well, if you're good at doing that.
So, um, yeah well, you got tobe, you could well, if you're
good at doing that.
So, um, but we were walking,yeah, so you, so I'm.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I was trying to make it so I wasn't being a smart ass
.
Um, when you tell me whenyou're walking.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I mean, you guys did 14 hours, 13 or something like
that.
I had to look at your resultsso you're sort of doing around
about 4k an hour, I think thatis.
But that's a nice casual walk,so you'll get away with eating I
think our average was like 3.6or something.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Mate, it was slow.
We went into it.
I thought we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
We'll sit at five days an hour like it's not, it's
bullshit, it really, it reallyum, I love this because when,
when we get a lot of people atthe runs, they'll come and they
like, do their 10k.
I do a 50 minute 10.
And they think that translatesto this distance and it's like
next level, anything over that.
Where you guys are, and startgoing on that forget it, unless
the elite runners, I mean theyare next level.

(23:34):
The Spaniard that won theJapanese race did it in 17 hours
something, holy shit.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So he's doing what's that?
That's like 7 or 8K, 10K anhour.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, Just under 10K an hour, I mean.
But these guys are mountaineers.
They're spectacular to watch.
They look like they'resprinting up hills.
You know they're unreal.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So what keeps you going?
Because we started at quarterto eight, I think we went under
the start line and we finishedat, I think, quarter to 11 or
something.
20 to 10.
20 to 10 or something.
Yeah, 20 to 11.
Yeah, and my knees were hurtingand the last eight Ks I had to

(24:17):
push hard.
And I was like what the?
Fuck.
And one thing that really putme off was the last, I think six
Ks.
They had markers, oh yeah, andI hated seeing them.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I would rather them not be there and just just kept
going and when you're doing thataverage you're talking about,
they're coming for you every 20minutes.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like 15 to 20 minutes, you'reseeing each K, so you feel like
they're never coming.
Yeah, each k.
So you feel like they're nevercoming.
Yeah, and you're almost waitingfor it.
Hey, it's like so I equated toum, have we gone the wrong way?
We fucking missed one.

(24:50):
It's brutal.
So I reckon every distance islike that.
I don't know, building a homemight be like that for the
builders, you know, like whenyou get near the end of it, and
it's like tiring and stuff.
Yeah, I reckon it's like the800 meters.
That last 200 is brutal.
100 mile, you like, for me.
In my mind I'm saying the racedoesn't even start until 120 Ks.
If I can get to that in okayshape, I'm a chance to finish

(25:11):
this thing.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
But what do you like?
Because you're on your own aswell.
There was four of us, so theconversation was awesome.
Yeah, I think that's sinceseven years ago, whatever it was
seven, eight years ago,whatever it was seven eight
years ago when we did um everest.
That's what's progressed thisjourney.
I love the conversations youhave with your mates or people

(25:32):
like yourself that you run intoon the on the walking track.
Yeah, if someone had told meeven in my early 30s, mate, that
I'd be walking, I would havejust laughed at them, but I
really get something out of it.
But, like, how do you keepgoing when you're on your own?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Oh yeah, okay, so I get energy in that race.
Being on my own, I've donethose style of races that you
guys did and the one at Kokoda.
They wanted to do the 96K inunder 16 hours and I got into
this team late and I thought,right, if you want to do it,
let's do it.
So you know, I knew I'd be ableto comfortably do that and by

(26:11):
about um, I don't know, maybesay 80k's in on you or
thereabouts, and by the endthey'll tell me to shut the fuck
up.
Because I was like, if youwanted to do it, let's do it,
like you know.
And so I realized that, um,yeah, I wasn't cut for the team
thing, like I mean, I'm friendswith the guys and that, but they
ended up telling me to shut up.

(26:32):
But, um, but what I think therunning for me is, it's a.
I had to shift from um.
Like I went to aa when I was 25.
Um, I I really was obsessedwith drinking.
I didn't drink all the time.
I was enough to get to work andstuff like that.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I turned up on saturday morning to go to work
no, no, no, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I didn't drink during the week well, not much but um.
But on on friday nights I'd belike on the piss and I'd have to
go and get greens ready on theSaturday morning.
I'm sure if I'd have beenpulled over.
I probably would have been over.
I cut electrical lead in halfonce with a mower because I
wasn't concentrating.
I don't know if I was pissed,but just wasn't concentrating.

(27:14):
And as I was going along I justfelt like I couldn't grow up.
And then I was like, and Iremember being with Megan one
day and she said you need tochoose between this and Hilda
Canna VB and me and I thought,can I have some time to think
about that?
I mean, we laugh about it nowand I mean that's where I was at
.

(27:34):
I mean that's really pouring itLike as a human to be at that
point, and she was serious,obviously, oh yeah, I laugh
about it now because it's like,you know, more than half my life
ago, yeah, but when I was in itI sort of and I remember having
that kind of moment of claritywhere I thought, man, there's
something not right here, thatthis thing is so obsessive.
But I think I drank um, becauseI I love talking, which you

(27:58):
probably already recognized andI've got this mind that races
all the time like not so muchnow, and it's like a board of
directors at times and it's likethere's different conversations
going on and all that stuff.
So that's why I feel like we'rejumping around here.
Maybe we're not.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
That's what I do too.
Look, I've talked about thisbefore.
There's no agenda on thispodcast.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And I think this is how we show people how to deal
with their situation.
Yeah, like if we're sittinghere going from this question to
this question, to this question, you miss out on all the juicy
stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, and it's too contrived for me.
I hate that shit.
Um, I'd rather just be myself,and if people like me, they do,
and if they don't, that's okaytoo.
I've kind of got used to that.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
This is a good story, like keep telling us.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, so when I was 25, I ended up going to AA in
Blacktown in Sydney and it wasreally difficult, like I mean,
the big, big questions in mymind was how am I going to go
and watch the Sydney Swans play,because all that represented
was me drinking piss andwatching the footy?
How was I going to say mespeech at my wedding?

(29:09):
I was all these, really, youknow, first world problems that
were cropping up.
How was two he's going tosurvive all this?
This bullshit goes on for me andyou know I stopped drinking and
what I created was a life.
You know, um, it's embarrassing.
You know, I didn't get, haven'tbeen punched out by maori
bouncers for telling themthey're racist against whites,
for not letting me in anightclub when I'm blind.
You know, like this is the kindof shit that was going on in my
world and, um, I share, I'membarrassed to share it,

(29:33):
actually, and I cringe because Iknow now it's on the podcast
and that, but I mean, I think ifI reveal who I truly, uh, am
the more we share our stories,the more people yeah the more,
more.
I can be the better version ofmyself because I don't have to
hide these bollocks at who I am.
When I stopped drinking 27years ago, I was and I've got

(29:55):
this life.
Now, you know, I don't needmoney for grog or smokes or
anything like that.
I grow some of my food and youknow I eat good food.
Yeah, and I don't need tons ofit anymore because I eat good
stuff.
I mean, you know, I listened tothe last Jamie's podcast.
He literally was spelling thatout for people and I think I
mean I can see it in you, I cansee it in Shay, because I didn't

(30:16):
recognize shape.
First, because you guys havechanged shape since I've seen
you there a few months ago,because obviously you're eating
well.
You're eating well, which Ithink's the key yeah, it is.
And then training and you'retraining slow.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well, jamie said, mate, like your six-pack's made
in the kitchen, not in the gym,bloody oaf it is because you
can't.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
You can't expose it unless you've cut all the fat
off it.
Yeah, you do that by eatingprotein and fat.
And my training shifted, if youadd into what they're saying,
and my training is based on aguy called Phil Maffetone and he
works on this theory of yourheart rate, 180 minus your age,

(30:54):
and if you fit, you add fivebeats on subtract five and you
basically don't go over thattraining.
So when I train now I don't goover 133 beats per minute.
So my little watch startsbeeping when I go over that.
So I'm running, walking all thetime, but I can go forever.
When I race I don't do thatbecause I can run faster.
But, um, yeah, and it's anamazing way, it's called heart

(31:17):
rate training and it's anamazing way it's called heart
rate training and it's beengoing since the 70s.
But this guy's never taken off.
Like he said, you're nevergoing to put that on an ad next
to Gatorade in a runningmagazine, are you?
Because he's saying make yourown food and eat real shit, make
your electrolytes out of honey,salt and water, it's perfect,

(31:38):
and all this sort of stuff.
So he said it's not going tosell running magazines, so they
can't put it in.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Is that what you use?
Honey, salt and water?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
No, I use basically just salt and water.
I do use a product calledInfinite that we get sponsored
by the guys, but I found it along time ago.
So anything that is connectedto Run Queensland, queensland,
sponsor wise, I either wear itor I take it that's, that's so
so I don't have anything onthere that I don't.

(32:08):
So if you look for a sponsor,brett's involved with it, yeah,
so, um, even, uh, red bullsometimes supplies with stuff
which, to me, I wouldn't drinkit every day, but I have that
later on in a race and I gottasay it literally gives me wings.
So, um, yeah, it switches mybrain back on, yeah, when I'm
kind of in that cloud and yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
So, um, so do you, do you think so?
You, you said you use thealcohol to to slow you down and
and stay focused.
Yeah, like, what is that?
Does a running do that now?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
yeah, so um, yeah, it definitely switched my brain
off because I, you know, I'dblack out and not, uh, remember
stuff and um, yeah, and I, and Istarted to get really unwell
with that because I'd wake upparanoid wondering what have I
done now, what have I said, whohave I offended and all this
sort of stuff.
Yeah, at least now I know whoI've offended.

(33:01):
Yeah, so I sort of found therunning and the longer I kind of
went, the more peaceful I felt.
And even though you're talkingabout the knees and the pain and
that it's really weird, it's aweird thing to explain to people
, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Because until you've done it thing to explain to
people, isn't it because, like,until you've done it the the
pain I experience equals joy toa degree it's a bizarre, it's it
sounds stupid to say it, but umI'm with you, honestly, that
last eight k's and the lastkilometer, because those stupid
signs they had there like, um,the last two k's was all

(33:37):
downhill and some of it wasquite steep and so it definitely
slowed me down, but like Icould and that was, I think, the
last five or six k's we comeback onto the same track that we
started on.
so I knew what we had to go down, yeah and uh, it just it made
it really hard.
But and like, by the finishline, like I was, I think I even

(33:59):
said to one of the boys I'mliterally gonna burst into tears
when I cross this finish line.
I can't believe we've done it.
I've never done anything likethat, but my knees were hurting.
But then, like you just said,like I wanted to keep going,
like I sat down, I had a bite toeat and I was like what's next?
Like are we still going?
Are we doing the next lap?
Like what's?
Um?

(34:19):
But for me, doing these thingsand even, just like I said, the
training to do these things, Ibelieve is what's making me a
better, a better dad, a betterpartner, a better business
person, because it's building myresilience.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Like I'm, I've got to keep pushing through pain, yeah
, and I think it.
Like I've definitely got bloodyadhd and all that shit.
I guarantee if I got tested I'dhave that, but, um, my brain
doing those walks because mybrain doesn't stop either.
My wife tells me all the timelike just stop, yeah you're all
over the place like, yeah, let'sjust finish the conversation.

(34:57):
Um, let's finish this idea.
Before we get on that idea likeand but walking, and even like
the training just leading up toit.
Like we got some hills aroundhome here and like on a weekend,
one or two mates coming over,um, and like we're doing like on
a sunday morning.
Now we'll smash out 14, 15, 18k's and we'll do it like it

(35:19):
might be three, three and a halfhours, but I come back from
that walk just feeling likemagic, yeah, like feel lighter,
feel fresh, don't feel exhausted, and I think it's not only the
walking, it's the conversation.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Don't you get into it ?
But the other thing too is likeI've ran with random people,
like literally random people, um, and the things people reveal
to you.
Yeah, on those walks and Idon't know whether it's the
action of just walking thatbreaks that down and there's
that there's definitely a um,like that metronome sound for me

(35:55):
, like when I got on the trailyou hear the your feet, so
there's a peacefulness in thatfor me to start with, and then
the conversations you get into.
I've had wonderful things thatI'm sure people I'm thinking
surely you've not shared thatwith other people.
Yeah, you know about really kindof deep stuff, like you know

(36:15):
things that are going on intheir world and that, and I'm
like it's pretty cool that youcan kind of have that and I
understand that.
You know, I guess when you'rein the conventional world it's
always best foot forward.
Yeah, you know, and I andyou've, you guys, talk a lot
about that on this and I canhear it with a lot of the guys
that are sharing.
You know the despair and stuffin what they've done.

(36:35):
You know trying to set upbusinesses and you know, um, you
know the ability for someonelike you guys to come and share,
like, some information withpeople and that, as though
because you know, we're allbeing brought up with this,
competitive, competitive,competitive and it's just such
shit to me it's like man.
That's just not creating a greatcommunity.

(36:57):
It's just like there's enoughfor everyone to go around.
But you know there's a few thatwant it all, I guess, or don't
have enough.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, I'm not sure what it?
Is mate.
But I'm just so like I want tohelp the world, like I, just
like you can see it in you, likeI want to get to where you are,
Like you're buzzing, likeyou're happy, like you're living
the dream.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Well, you know that call that I was on.
So that's one of my friends,right?
Because I'm going in a race intwo weeks.
Is it two weeks?
Something like that 20th ofJune or whatever it is.
That's less than two weeks,isn't it?
Yeah, two weeks, whatever.
And it's basically you've gotto do 6.7 kilometers within the
hour and be ready to go again onthe top of the hour, and you

(37:46):
keep going until only one persondoes one lap on their own.
So I've done this a couple oftimes now and I've done 31 loops
and 36 loops, which is 36 hours.
So I've run 242 kilometers.
Holy shit.
But I was in the race wherethey first broke the world
record.
So, these guys, I was in a raceI dropped out.
I think I was about seventh orsomething, or no tenth, at 36

(38:07):
hours.
The winners went for 102 hours.
But over four days I've droppedout two and a half and was
proud of myself.
But one and a half, sorry, puta bit of GST on that.
But the fellow that rung, I justrung him up and I said look,
are you guys going out to thisrace?
Because if I can get into nighttwo, which will be over 36

(38:31):
hours, megan will want to havesome sleep because she'll come
out and hang out and do a bit offood for me.
So it's like I'll get to hangout with her and all that.
And he's just rung up and saidlook, we've booked a motel.
This is what he's telling me.
There.
We're coming out, we can helpwith Megan for night two.
So these two people that I'mfriends with, that I've met
through running and a commoninterest and all that sort of
stuff.
We've had great conversation.

(38:52):
They're now coming out to helpand I'm just like and simply
asking I always found it hard toask for help.
I don't know if you've ever beenlike that.
Yeah, I don't like asking forhelp.
Yeah, do it all, try and do it.
You were talking about Jackdoes this, jack does that in the
other podcast.
I was one of those.
I'm doing all of it and I'msetting up for our race next
weekend.
I'm like I'm that guy.
Yeah, I've got enough greatguys in our team.

(39:22):
That like sort of contractbecause it's smaller, um, just
races every now and then.
They could literally I couldjust say, go and do that, but I,
I'm there, I don't know whatI'm trying to demonstrate like
I'm here, I'm part of it, loveit, mate like that's, but I
could.
But I could, I don't have to.
I could be doing other stuff,you know, and um.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
So what's what's run?
Queensland, like what?
So you're just, you're, you'reorganizing races at different
locations, and so is there.
Is there no other thing likethat in Queensland?
Oh?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
there's tons.
I mean Kokoda's moved into theSunshine Coast where we are, um,
yeah, like we were probably oneof the earlier races and I got
motivated by a race called theGlasshouse 100 and then that
race in America.
I went to with that, deanKarnasas, I raced the race you
talked about called WesternStates.
Is that the one where you gotyour buckle?
Yeah, the belt buckle mate Look.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's a bit of a lie.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
It says 100 miles in one day.
Mine did 28 hours there, butyou get a bronze buckle for that
.
I was trying to get the silverone.
I just didn't have 24 hours inme on that day.
But, um, you know, and I metthat fellow there, dean canassas
, and um, yeah, there was thatinspiration to try and share my
love of trail and then like,yeah, it's sort of blossomed, I

(40:36):
guess, and it's pretty.
I think it's a cool story andit's yeah it's sort of blossomed
I guess, and it's pretty.
I think it's a cool story andit's doing what we love and I
know I actually you know, theseare the kind of reasons why I
meet people like you and andstuff I don't think it's like by
chance anymore and I'm kind of.
When I was coming down here Isaid to megan, you know we're
trying to stop aquari expansionand stuff in the glasshouse.

(40:57):
And I said you know, I don'teven know really where we're
going to go with this.
I said you know, I know that Iconnected with duane and I've
had a couple of texts with shayabout different things over
there, um, where he lives and um, you know, there's certain
people you kind of meet and youfeel like you, you know each
other a bit or you get eachother.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
It's that.
Yeah, I just felt that.
But I think I really connectwith people that are the real
deal and walk the walk and youcan tell you do that because,
like you're not just you weren'tjust there early on a Saturday
morning going for a run.
Like you're doing the growingyour own food stuff at home and

(41:40):
then like I want to talk to youabout this other stuff, you got
going on too.
Like you're doing men's, you'redoing something with men's yeah
, yeah, look, I do.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
I do a men's group called common ground where we
meet every.
I mean, that's everywherethat's been going since 1996.
Um, I meet every second mondayand basically sometimes we'll
just do processes and that.
But then my youngest son and myson's 20, that you met Noah,
he's 21 and I've always feltthat one of the things my dad

(42:09):
passed away a couple years agothat I regret is I just didn't
have a great connection with him.
Like it was always just I don'tknow like talk about the footy
or whatever.
There was no depth to anything.
Yeah, and as he was passingaway, I got to talk to him
because I knew he was dying.
He didn't think he was,actually, he thought he was
frigging.
Once they fixed his gut, he'sright, I'm like dude, you're

(42:30):
yellow, your liver's fucked.
And he went fairly quick.
But I started interviewing him,doing what we're doing and just
sort of chatting and askingquestions and asking about
regrets and and they were alllike nothing around money and
and so I really try to connectwith noah as much as I can.

(42:50):
So we started a little group onevery second sunday at our
place and it's sort of um gone alittle bit quiet at the moment
because we'd been away, so itshould kick back in this Sunday
and we just sort of sit aroundand yarn up and then, like,
basically what we'll do, a topiccomes up, but you know, like we
have a yarning stick and youlisten to that person while

(43:11):
they're sharing, like check inhow things are going, and then
usually from that a topic arisesand then all of a sudden we're
you know, we've hadconversations with young blokes
how to meet women, and I'm likewhat and how to communicate,
because for them it's on phonesand shit.
And I'm like how would you dothat?
And they're saying how weirdand how hard it is.

(43:32):
And then I'm thinking, well, itmust be like that for women and
that too.
And so all of a sudden I'msitting there with this.
You know, you don't know what.
You don't know until you findout, sort of thing.
And so all these greatconversations are coming up.
I'm learning more about my sonthere's.

(43:53):
You know we've had from17-year-olds to 72-year-olds
sitting in circle with eachother and you know we just go
for about an hour and a halffrom about 3.30 to 5.
Sometimes we'll have a feedafter it if we feel like it.
But yeah, everyone usually goeson their way, and yeah.
I think it's just sharing, kindof pooling your resources, what
you're doing with people.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
You're pooling people's resources.
Everyone's just gotten so busyand everyone's lost.
I feel like we've lost focus.
We're so busy the world is sobusy, trying to keep up with the
Joneses that you've got yeah,mum and dad both working flat
out.
Kids doing everything theypossibly can.
Everyone buying shit that theydon't need, that they can't
really afford.

(44:33):
So then, everyone's working morethan they really need to be
working, because if they don'twork long enough, they can't buy
what they want, because theyneed to buy what they want
because they've seen it onsocial media.
And everyone else is livingthis incredible life.
Yeah.
Like it's just all just fastpaced, Like, whereas in reality,
exactly how you're living yourlife is really what most people
are trying to achieve.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Well, yeah, but it's not conventional thinking, it's
sort of like frowned upon.
It's like, well, like, I'm sortof like frowned upon.
It's like well, like, I'm sortof.
You know, it's funny because wementioned about um, what did
you say the other day?
It's not a cost of living, it'sa.
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
the problem was, it's not cost of living, it's
there's not a cost of livingcrisis, there's a um there's a
spending crisis right, yeah, andI had a discussion with um
megan about that.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Like I said, hey, what do you think of this?
And she was like, no, no, Idon't, I don't think that's
right.
And I said yeah, but this isthe context.
And we spoke about the contextand I thought it is that because
, if I like, I'm driving aroundin an old uh, I think it's a
2012 Colorado.
I don't know much about cars,but it's useful for my races.
I need a four-wheel drive andI've got a little van that I use

(45:46):
when I want to go camp, alittle express, you know, and
it's perfect.
Went around Taz in it.
But I don't like you know, I'mnot interested in owning a
$100,000 car because I do notwant the debt, because I know as
soon as I'm done, I'm enslavedby it.
It's a fucking slave mentalitythat I'm not willing to go down
anymore.
I've been there done it andit's brutal.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
It's all the way through society now, mate, like
it's just a way to control.
Like young people now don'thave older vehicles.
Like you're lucky to see ayounger person driving around a
vehicle that's more than 10years old.
Um, and then, like we see it,with apprentices like they, they
all want to have the the bestof everything.

(46:29):
Like they'll go into debt to buya fucking tool trailer yeah
like, um, and then they deck itout with brand new tools and
then they they still.
But, but on top of that, likeit's not, like that's good, they
need that stuff to have theirjob.
Yeah, but then on top of that,they want to eat out three, four
nights a week.
They want to be out all weekendwith their mates, bloody, doing

(46:50):
whatever you do like, there'sthis whole um like it.
To me, it's it's okay to nothave the best of everything.
You don't need to have a newcar all the time.
So many people say that, like I, don't all my cars have a
purpose.
Like, I've had a few toys andthat was probably a bit of a

(47:10):
waste over the years, but everycar I've ever had, even my big F
truck now, it's all got apurpose.
Like we have.
It's always been to tow bigtrials or to do other things,
and when I don't have thatpurpose anymore, I'll get rid of
that vehicle.
Yeah, like, and I've never I'veonly ever had one new car in my
life.
Um, and every other car hasbeen second hand.

(47:31):
Like I don't need to have thebest of everything.
Yeah, it's okay.
And I think the other thing islike, mate, I can't think of
anything better.
Like if it's not that I eversit.
Like if there's a time where Ihaven't got anything planned or
I don't need I'm not working theyard or whatever.
Like it's okay just to chillout at home and spend some time
with the family.

(47:51):
Like you don't need to be goingout for breakfast and out for
dinner and out for lunch andcatching up with people.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I think people's brains have gone to
mush because of the you knowdoom scrolling and and I mean I
catch myself doing it and I'mlike what?
I mean it's funny because, um,mate, I might as well be
advertising your podcast.
You know, I listened to the onewith jamie.
Um, I find them reallyinteresting because they're
always different, but they'resimilar, they're similar themes
and they're really motivating meto question things.
Again.
I start looking at my phone.
I said to Megan are we watchingthis Netflix?

(48:26):
Like?
We spent about, I reckon, 30minutes.
We're getting the shits witheach other because we can't pick
a movie, because they're allshit.
You know what I mean.
Like they're so crap.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Now there's too much to choose from, and they're crap
because they're so fast made,like crap.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Now much to choose from.
And they're crap becausethey're so fast made, like you
know they just quickly, becausewe're consuming, consuming, they
have to try to keep up with us,yeah, and then I start looking
and I thought I'm paying 12.99 amonth or something for apple.
I said have we got apple?
Being gone, this is yesterdaynetflix.
I said that's 19 bucks.
I said you're kidding me andthen I said when do we get prime
again?
So I looked and I think we'repaying like $50 a month for shit

(49:02):
.
We're not even watching.
I'm just like gone.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Can you imagine how many people around the world are
doing that?
And those companies are makinghundreds of millions of dollars
just because people have gotsomething there in case they
want to watch something.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I mean, fine, if you want to do it, but for me it's
like I'm asking myself, likewhat am I doing with this stuff?
Like I could be, like thatmoney could be going towards
another trip to japan orsomething like that, because as
far as I'm concerned that'swhere it's at.
you know, like just experiencingall this planet while I'm here
and while everything'sfunctioning like I'm like man, I

(49:31):
want to see it, it's so goodand um, yeah, so I'm sort of
thinking we've got to questionthings and I think the other
thing, like you said, like thekeeping up with.
Jones is one of my friends usedto say if you want to impress
someone, impress yourself yeahfuck it.
I'm sick.
I'm sick of trying to, like,make people happy and you, I'm
sure, in your job.

(49:51):
I mean the amount of emails weget.
And we had to postpone a race,um in march because it was just
flooded too wet.
Yeah, it was fucked and we andnational parks closed the park.
There was a wet weather event,mate, the abuse I got and we
offered people um partialrefunds when I say partial was

(50:12):
almost all of it.
You could go to the new event,you could go to next year or
we'll give you a credit to anyone of our races, full credit.
And, mate, a triple c this, atriple c that, and I thought
great.
So then, with our old friend,chat gbt, pt, is it um, now put
it in.
I find out all thedocumentation and a triple c

(50:33):
stuff and I'm like, mate, we'regoing above and beyond what we
need to do in this situation,but it's.
But I've learned a lot fromthis where, like you know, I
don't know if you've got thepeople, please a part in your
like we'll do a survey.
Say 400 people answer it.
I'll get two negative feedbacks.
Oh my God, it's like the end ofthe world for me.

(50:54):
I'll focus on those two.
I don't look at the 350 thathad a brilliant time.
They'd recommend it to theirfriends and all that, yeah, and
it does my head in and I'm likelike I've got better.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I've had to really question a lot of the things
that are driving this meat bagaround I, um, I like the, the
two, two, three weeks leading upto my event last friday, um, I
went into overdrive with one ofmy coaches and, like I, because
I knew like we had the, webought these guys out from the

(51:25):
states.
One of them's very famous inthe construction world, and I
knew I was gonna just openmyself up to something that I
hadn't been exposed to before.
And it happened, like we like,from wednesday to um friday,
like over a three-day period,he's still releasing videos now,
like a week later, um, that hetook while he was here, but like

(51:49):
over that three-day period,whatever, it was four or five
videos that he released with metalking about things.
Like there was over 800 000views on instagram and so,
obviously, with that many views,there's a lot of comments and
we've got the odd bit of flackbefore, but, like I was like
holy shit, how'd?
you get brutalized.
Oh, there was a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, just giving it, giving it to me I'll have to
make a cup of tea at home.
I love that shit.
I love the comments on thatstuff and um, yeah, yeah it did.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
It hit me pretty hard and was like fuck it, I don't
even need to read any of these,I don't even need to respond to
them, but just it's that tallpoppy syndrome.
Like people just not.
Oh yeah.
And I felt bad about two of thevideos because literally mate
to give a bit of background likethis is the thing.

(52:36):
People don't know the contextof things.
So like I've been followingmatt for like 10 years or more.
He, he's the one that's inspiredme to do what I'm doing now.
Yeah, he's your dean carnasas.
Yeah, and like, all of a sudden, like I've met him in brisbane
for the first time, I've pickedhim up from his hotel, he's
sitting in my truck and like itwas literally 15 minutes from

(52:58):
when I first met him, or 20minutes to when we're on our
first job site, and like, mate,I didn't even know the videos
were gonna start, but like he's,that's just what he does.
Like he's into it.
Like I'm walking around to showhim the job.
And next thing he's like, hey,duane, I turn around the
camera's on and he's like, whatdo we got here, like talk us
through this.
And I did.
There's a few little likethere's two videos where I was
like he asked me about timberand windows and stuff.

(53:20):
I'm like, oh, mate, I'll haveto check on that.
I was fucking nervous asanything.
There was no.
Like, hey, dwayne, let's walkaround this job.
Once we've had a look, we'llchoose what we're going to do.
Some videos on no time forpreparation, and I'm over it now
.
I've had the weekend to workthrough it.
But if you're going to putyourself out there and you're

(53:43):
going to make a difference,people are going to give you
shit Especially when it's new,because it freaks people out
because it's like, oh shit, wecan't do this differently.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
We've always done this and because it's
comfortable.
Fuck that, that's the otherthing with the long running Get
you out of your comfort zone.
You're gonna be uncomfortable,but I mean, I'd love to like as
the guys sitting here ask youabout that, because I from the
event space yeah, this isanother thing we've definitely
got in common.
This was your first event andyou just said you've flown a

(54:16):
bloke out from america.
We got to do that with deancarnasso, so I got to sit in the
car with, yeah, he came outwhen I went to the race I'll
quickly, just quickly.
When Dean came, I went to theWestern States in 2018 and
finally got to, and you have togo in a lottery to get in this
race.
It's hard to get in.
Fucking thousands of people tryto get in it.
Now.
It's a nightmare.
It's a nightmare, yeah, and youbuild tickets up each year.

(54:38):
You have to qualify and buildtickets up.
Anyway, we got in and I'msitting there with Noah and he
knew Dean and he said, hey, isthat Dean up in the stands there
?
I said, yeah, he must have gotin on the wait list.
Anyway, we run out and take aphoto and I throw one of our
event shirts into his bag andI'm sitting at home and I and he

(55:01):
said I've got a space in mycalendar the next minute.
This huge thing's rolling andthis guy that you know, I've
read his book and you know hegets starstruck.
We're down at the airport nowwaiting for Dean Karnasas at
Brisbane airport in 2019.
And he rocks up, you know, andI've got him at my house and
he's crook and I go for a runwith him.
To Gungny I said, mate, I justlove to go for a run with you
and he's as sick as a dogbecause he's traveled three time
zones, but he's that kind ofguy goes for a run with me and

(55:24):
runs our race, crook.
And um, yeah, it's, it's thatmoment, isn't it, that you're
starstruck and it makes but itmakes sense because you've,
they've, um, they've created anenvironment for you to get
motivated.
Yeah, yeah, like it made.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I it hit me like a ton of bricks yesterday, Like I
was absolutely exhausted, but wefinished the event on Friday
and I, just I, was incrediblyproud.
I was bloody, the wife and Iwere just over the moon and just
yeah, I can't explain thefeeling.
It was incredible and just yeah, I can't explain the feeling it
was incredible.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
So it was you, Camille, and Shea Shea.
You put this thing together,right, Mostly so, mate all.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I've heard for the last.
Well, since the event is howthe hell did you do that Like?
It normally takes a wholecompany to pull off something
like that.
Like you don't know what you'vedone.
Normally takes a whole companyto pull off something like that
Like you don't know what you'vedone.
Yeah, Like the last two weeksprior to that event it was Mate,
Camille and I were up to 10,10.30, 11 every night like just

(56:31):
trying to get shit finished,wrap shit up, make sure
everything's all right, Like itwas a.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I definitely underestimated how big it was
and I guarantee you would haveprobably made that or a negative
sign on it.
I'd be very surprised after allyour costs on a first event.
If you've made money, you're alegend.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Mate, we haven't reviewed our numbers yet.
After all, your costs on afirst event, if you've made
money, you're a legend, mate.
We and I'd be we haven'treviewed our numbers yet, but I,
we, we're probably going to beout of pocket somewhere around
140 thousand dollars.
Yeah, and that happened with myfirst race.
But I I went into it knowingthat like I went into it knowing
like camille was very nervousabout, but I went into it with
in the mindset that if thisevent cost me 80 to 100 grand,

(57:13):
I'm fine with that, like I it'llhurt, but it's done what it
meant to do.
Like I wanted to show peoplethat I'm not stuffing around,
like I'm serious, I'm on amission, I want to change an
industry.
Yeah, and if this is what I gotto do, then that's what I got
to do.
And the feedback yes, it costus a lot of money, mate, but I

(57:34):
guarantee you that will comeback tenfold.
We've already got people askingabout what dates next year.
When are we coming?
We're bringing our team.
It'll be bigger, better, badder.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Mate, I'm interested in your exhibition stalls
because I go to the Gold CoastMarathon and promote and it's
expensive but you know we'll getroad runners that might see us.
But a lot of people will knowRun Queensland there and I'm
kind of like, okay, I wantpeople to know that you can come
and walk out.
We're not racing.

(58:06):
There's a couple of you know,10 to 20 fast people that will
come and they just carve thecourse up, but the most people
there are people that train abit and come and have a good
time.
That's what we're about.
Come and this is your thing andyou can find that.
So how?
many people do you get at a race?
Blackall's 1,000.
Holy doy, yeah, it's big.

(58:26):
We're not dicking around theone at Yandina in two weeks at
the moment it's about 8.30, andthat's with like loads of people
pulling out and new peoplecoming in.
The Rainbow Beach one, it'snearly sold out.
That's on the 2nd of August.
There's 600 we can take in that.
I had to battle to get another100 because you know they'll let
you build on Lake Poonah butthey're worried about 200 sets

(58:50):
of feet damaging the fuckingsand.
But you know.
So just all the paperwork, youguys know this shit, it's just
all red tape.
I mean and all the people I dealwith are brilliant people, but
it's the system it sucks.
It's so hard to do anything,and I get it.
They're trying to protectthings, but you know we're

(59:10):
talking about people being fitand healthy and having fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I feel your pain, like with the governments and
things, because we had I won'tname names but like we reached
out to a lot of people to attendmy event- like associations,
industry bodies and things, andwe pretty much got told no one
will come, like as if a tradingbuilder is going to pay to come

(59:35):
to a conference, like that, likeand um.
It's funny because we had a fewpeople from these turn up later
in the day and, uh, one one ofthem in particular was like just
walking around, gobsmacked,like drawing the ground, like
how have you done this?
Like we, we do events for theindustry all the time.
Like we're lucky to get 40,maybe 50 people.
Like how have you ended up with400 to 500 in a room, like in a

(59:58):
shed?
I was like because they fuckingbelieve in what I'm doing.
Like I believe in them, likewe're going to change things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Well, jamie said it the other day what did trusted
uh expert or something like that.
He called you, that was.
You used the term twice.
It wasn't that term, but it wassomething like that.
Yeah, you've made shay,honestly, yeah, bloody legend.
Um, that's because I'm gettingold, me memory shit, like most
of it sits there, um, it is, andit's like um, you know, you can

(01:00:27):
sit there and you can hear.
You can hear people's passionand when, and for me, when I can
hear that I'm all ears like I'm, you know when, people's
passion, and for me, when I canhear that.
I'm all ears.
I love that.
When people are bullshitting,I'm just like I've got no time
for it anymore.
I'm just like, yeah, and youcan hear it.
I mean, I was trying to workout how I was going to be able
to come down.
We had something on on Fridaybut, yeah, we couldn't get there

(01:00:47):
and I was going to come becauseI was interested in seeing it,
you know.
But I want to know about thestall because I'm like if you're
going to have, you'll get morenext year, I think you had about
600 people or something attend.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
The rain really buggered us up.
So the conference part of it,we ended up with 430 odd yeah.
And then for the trade showpart there was there was another
.
Well, all up through the gateswe had just over 800.
So there's nearly 400, or notquite 400, to the trade stalls
and stuff as well, but we had,um, I think it was over 1500

(01:01:20):
registered, but it it startedpissing down right in the
afternoon.
but it's um, they will do stuffin the future for sure, like
sure, like we'll be doing alevel up run.
Mate that'd be wicked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I think like, and from that it just builds because
those people have had a goodtime.
They're telling two, threepeople and next minute it rolls
on and I kind of feel like that.
For me when I'm doing my stuffis the big thing.
It's like with the garden.
It's funny because people cometo the garden and I just take
cuttings and give all this stuffaway and you know where I had

(01:01:55):
to buy it all.
And I'm like, mate, if you'regoing to like regen this planet
and put some cover over thisbloody thing?
I'm all for it, mate Like, let'sbloody help each other out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Mate, collaboration is the only way we're going to
fix things, and I'm massive forit, and I'll mention something
now that I probably shouldn't,but my event was to just make
this movement that I'm creatingskyrocket, and so I actually put
a message, email, whatever youwant to call it, but I realized

(01:02:31):
that not everyone's going toresonate with me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
And just like I talk about all the time with tradies,
builders, architects, designerswe all have to collaborate to
get a good outcome for theclients and a good outcome for
our industry.
So I did this field deal and,uh, I sent it out to all the
other builders, coaches, tradiecoaches, mentors, businesses

(01:02:55):
that I that pop up on myinstagram, and I basically just
said to them exactly that, like,hey guys, how you going love
what you do, see your stuff oninstagram.
Um, not sure if you've seen mebefore.
My name is dwayne pierce.
I do this, this, this I'm havingthis big event and I said I'm
reaching out to you because Iunderstand that not everyone's
going to resonate with me andthey might resonate with you and

(01:03:18):
if we truly want to change thisindustry, we all need to work
together and basically let themknow that if they chose to come
to the event I was going to give, I was prepared to give them a
few free tickets to give totheir members and I wouldn't
promote any of my businessesthere.
It was purely just to promotethe business.
One responded to me to saythanks very much for the invite,

(01:03:40):
but I've already got somethingon that day and I can't make it.
So there's all these people outthere saying they want to help
an industry, do this, changethat, but they're doing it for
the wrong reasons, mate.
They're not genuine about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, it's funny.
I've seen that like in therunning there's people that
drive as money.
And when I was with the Post Iwas playing the corporate ladder
thing through the middlemanagement bollocks and you know
, the guy said money's not amotivator and I was like hmm,
and he was an amazing guy, andhe even sort of said can you

(01:04:18):
motivate someone?
And we all put our hand up, yes, and he said you can't.
He said motivation's intrinsic,it's got to come from within.
He said you can create anenvironment for people to be
motivated.
He said you can try and bashthem over the head with a stick
and he said try to see how longthat works.
He said that you know thatyou'll eventually eventually
beat him into submission andstuff.
And I think that, yeah, like the, the course that you guys are

(01:04:41):
on here by just staying at itchanges anyway, it's that way.
It's like um, you know, um,where we've got a kind of a I
guess a battle, you would say umin the glass house and we cop
abuse about it all the bloodytime.
But I'm kind of like um, it'slike with a quarry expansion,

(01:05:02):
which is funny that I'm on this,because I was like, oh, do you
talk about quarries on here andI thought well yeah, it's a
bloody thing.
Know, we've got this quarryexpansion going on in the
glasshouse and it was foughttooth and nail when it was first
opened in the 80s and 90s.
It got bigger.
It's right under Mount Canaraand it's literally under the

(01:05:24):
national parks there.
You know these things in the,these mountains are in the
passports.
They're used in all the thing.
You know, when it blasts it'slike an explosion on our house,
it rattles the old house andit's got to be damaging the
mountain.
But no one does any testing oranything like that, because
quarries in Australia areself-assessing.
Did you know that?
No, self-assessing.

(01:05:44):
So no one goes into quarries,especially in Queensland.
They just do their ownself-assessments and stuff.
But they want to expand thisquarry to double it.
So if you go through GlasshouseI don't know if you guys climb
Gungun at all, but you gothrough the township.
At the moment there's about Ithink it's round roughly.
We've counted about 160movements a day.
They want to double that to um,they pretty much 312, so I'd

(01:06:08):
assume more because they sayaverage.
So it's a truck every threeminutes going past schools, you
know, right through new estatesand all this sort of stuff.
And we're sort of saying to thepoliticians, because everyone
thinks we're against quarries,oh, we want to close all
quarries.
I've never been an activist oranything like that and I'm like
I've got a gravel driveway, forchrist's sake, like I get it,

(01:06:28):
and we need quarries.
I'm not a dickhead or anythinglike that, but you know, surely
there's got to beappropriateness and
thoughtfulness about where thisis.
This is under cultural.
You know cultural aspects,health aspects.
You know protecting nature it'sall national parks, like you
know.
So we cop a bit about it butwe're not saying about there's a

(01:06:49):
quarry 5k's way that no one'sworried about and they do the
same product.
But I got to a point where I'mlike if you don't speak up and
say something, you're justletting it slide and people walk
over you.
And if we don't change it and Ithink that's the other thing I
appreciate You're passionateabout it.

(01:07:09):
Well, I'm passionate about theenvironment, yeah, and
especially you know this onehere in the sunny coast.
You know, and you know Isuppose that's what I love
hearing about you guys trying tochange how houses are built and
stuff and recycling house.
You know that one, you.
So how cool is that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah, we've got to release the data on that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
We've got all the numbers that now, so we'll get a
video out on that shortly.
But do you cop much shit aboutor trying to do?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
all this or much flack, or is it like being well
received everyone?
We actually we've had twoemails come in now from um
people saying, oh, we're aboutto start a a build.
We've got to knock down anexisting house.
The builder isn't interested inrecycling.
Do you want to come recycle it?
So might have to start arecycling business.
What a great idea, though, butum, oh, look, I, my biggest

(01:08:02):
thing, what I live my life bynow, mate, is like I, I walk the
walk.
If I believe in something, Ijust I, I go.
I don't give a shit about whatpeople think, what people say.
Like I'm doing it because Iwant to do it.
Yeah, and it's, there's so many.
Like I've got a lot of driversnow.
Like doing what I'm doing isallowing me to meet incredible

(01:08:24):
people like yourself.
Like my relationship with mywife and kids is getting better
the more I get better.
Yeah, the clients we work withare getting better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
It's just I don't know.
It's a reflection of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Well, so one thing I talked about I opened up the day
on Friday, obviously.
Yeah, well, I got actuallyHector.
Hector came on stage,introduced, did a little spiel
and then introduced me, but, um,my opening spiel on friday to
the audience was we've, you'vegot to believe in yourself, like
, really, that's, you've got tobelieve in yourself and you've

(01:09:03):
got to believe what you're doingis the right thing to do.
Yeah, and I feel like so many,and I feel like the reason I can
talk about this so openly andhonestly is because I've been
the person that doesn't believe,and I think the the answer,
like there's a everyone thinksit's this secret formula, but
the answer is actually you'vegot to believe in things like

(01:09:25):
how many people and I know I'vedone this as well like how many
people go to a conference andyou go there because you want
something.
You see someone giving a spielor promising that you're going
to learn something or thatyou're going to be able to earn
so much money or going to beable to buy investment houses,
whatever it is, and so you gothere for that.
Most people, before they'veeven got to that event or within

(01:09:54):
the first 10 minutes of hearingthe opening speech, are already
telling themselves this isbullshit, like it's they've got
heaps of money or they've beenbought up around money or they
this that.
Whatever, they're alreadytelling themselves excuses about
why it's going to fail.
Yeah, if they just flicked theswitch and sat there and took
notes, went away and implementedwhat they'd been told and

(01:10:15):
believed in it, it would happen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Yeah, but I think that's the programming of school
and stuff.
I mean, you know, when we usedto do exams at school in the
olden days, they were actuallyfor teachers to show what the
kids didn't know.
Now they're to bloody grade youto make you feel like shit
because you don't know the stuff, can you?
Imagine that like so theyturned into something that they
weren't designed for.

(01:10:38):
They're actually for the teacherto say oh, I'm missing the
information for that child notnow yeah you just, you know,
like a like this, um personthat's dumb or whatever like
that, and school doesn't suiteveryone.
I mean, I think school was awaste of 12 years for me, other
than partying, and especially ingrade 12 in Sydney, because

(01:11:01):
everyone's turning 18.
It was like a massive piss up.
I just failed miserably.
But I was good at year 10 andshit by year 12.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Look at you now, Matt .
You're kicking girls.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I don't know.
I think success is different.
Success for me is not aboutwhat I've got or anything like
that.
It's being married for 26 yearsFor me.
I find that a miracle because II was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I'm not great well, you chose the right, you made
the right decision.
She's a good one.
But no, when you, when you gotthe decision from you, the vb
can oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sright, yeah I chose the right
one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
But you know, like we've been from westies out in
blacktown, like we didn't have alot to, to know that we wanted
something different.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
And we you know especially megan Megan, she's
great with change- but what Isay when you're successful, you
know what success means to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah, and you've said that a lot too, haven't you?
I reckon that's what mostpeople don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
They're not trying to achieve their success, they're
trying to achieve someone else's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah.
Society's success, yeah, you'reright.
The school success oh, if I geta uni degree, I'm successful,
but they're not happy still.
Or I've done this and you knowthis.
Happiness is not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Yeah, there, yeah, yeah and you might agree with
this like you're, because you'recontent with your success.
Yeah, you're happy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
So because you're happy, everything else just
falls into place yeah, look, andthe other thing too I haven't
got this um, grow, grow, grow,grow, grow thing because I've
got another friend that likeowns a really big business and
he he's all about like growth.
And I said, yeah, I'm not thatinterested, though I said like
I'm happy to make sure that whatI do is really good quality and

(01:12:52):
people have a great time andthey're safe and we've got the
best tracks we can have.
But I don't want to be pushingmyself all the time like to be
just in that space of likewanting more to feel okay you
know?

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
do you know what I mean?
Like it's just, it's that Iforget the uh, that story about
the fishermen in the village.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Oh, yeah, yeah, all he wanted to do was go fishing.
Yeah, the Greek fisherman inthe olive farm.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's true.
That's how life works, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I had a great guy in AA.
He told me once he drove fromNewcastle off his chops he
reckons I don't know if he meantpissed or what he just
nightmare drove from newcastleall the way to cairns, right
non-stop.
He said I was just going nuts.
And he said I knocked on whatthey call a sponsor.
I knocked on my sponsor's doorand he said he sat me down and
gave me a cup of tea.

(01:13:38):
And I'm kind of like wired fromall this driving.
And he said what, what do youwant?
What is it that you want?
He said I just want to be happy.
And he said while you'rechasing it, you're never going
to have it.
Yeah, and I'm like it's so true, it's just if you can just stop
long enough sometimes and justsee it and and these
conversations, like I can feelmy energy back.
I'm ready to do big stuff inthis race.

(01:14:01):
I'm ready for my because I'mhaving a, a meaningful thing.
Yeah, and you know, part of meis like there's a part of me in
the background now and thensaying what he have you been
talking about?
I don't know.
I don't even know how we've beentalking about it.
So I'm kind of thinking, oh,this will be interesting because
my Lily she's on a bit of thesocial.

(01:14:21):
You know, dwayne doesn't getthat many watches on YouTube.
Dad, I see he did with hisJared Renick one the Renick one,
he pumped it I said he's wellover 12 000 on that youtube.
We're not.
We don't push youtube somewherewhere people watch and we don't
push that.
That's my new netflix, yeah, Iknow where, but you know what I

(01:14:43):
mean.
Like it's really funny.
So there's that part of me thatit's it's more about what I'm
saying about me, like willanyone connect?
And then.
And then there's a part of methat says, if they do, they do,
and if they switch it off, theyhaven't connected and that's
okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
And yeah, no, I look like I said before.
My brain doesn't stop thinking.
I got millions of ideas evenjust sitting here while we're
talking, like we're gonna do alevel up run with this bloke
like yeah we, uh, we'll have todo something take on, uh.
but, mate, I really appreciateyou coming down.
You've driven down from theglasshouse this afternoon and
had a chat.
I can see this is going to beanother long-term relationship,

(01:15:21):
I think.
I reckon We'll chew the fatevery now and then.
I'm keen to get up and have oneof these yarning stick
conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Oh, I'd love you to come up yeah, I'll shoot it
through to Shea.
Have one of these yarning stick?
Oh, I'd love you to come up.
Yeah, I'll shoot it through theshow and um, yeah, it kind of
really um thrives when you knowthere's a lot of different
people sharing themselves.
The younger blokes are a littlebit more reluctant, which I
kind of get.
I mean, I couldn't imaginedoing that when I was 21.
Well, I wouldn't have done it,um, but I think it's one of

(01:15:51):
those parts of we don't havethat culture here in australia.
We don't really have culture inaustralia, to be honest.
But um yeah, you know, I thinkif we can kind of create that
space for people to kind of bewhat we, we would have done that
we would have gone hunting andthen come back and probably
messed around and yarned up andthen done a bit more hunting

(01:16:13):
later or something you know.
But you don't get to do that.
It's just, yeah, you're justthat space to just be able to
sit and yeah, we've got 10 acresthere.
Yeah, I did a lot of buildingor you know, gardening sort of
stuff when COVID hit, but I justdid it all by hand.
I was digging massive amountsof circle pits and everything

(01:16:36):
out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
How good did it make you feel Loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
I reckon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
COVID was one of the best times of my life.
I loved it Just at home,nothing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Well, it was the best time of your life for people
that just got back to roots.
Basic, but it was a horribletime for people that were scared
of losing their privileges.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Wasn't it.
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
If you just went, fuck it, I don't need any of
this.
Take it all, I don't care.
Yeah, you were happy.
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
But if you were sitting at home?

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
like fuck, I can't go to the movies.
It was.
If you're sitting at home likefuck, I can't go to the movies.
Oh, I can't travel.
Oh, I can't go to work like oh,I can't pay like that's all it
was.
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
That was a perfect example of how privileged we are
in this world yeah, it was,yeah, it was brilliant, like
because now you're sort ofsaying I mean, we used to have
um, I'd sit one of this lady, umrocked up and lives in a van on
our place at the moment, like aMercedes thing in the 70s, and
I'd sit there because I had allthe time in the world we'd sit
for sunrise and have the sunrisesymphony because you've got all

(01:17:36):
the birds.
You know the birds were reallyactive and yeah, just all that.
You know those little thingsthat you miss when you've got
life flying by.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Mate, one thing I try and do every morning is see the
sun come up.
Yeah, so I try and do everymorning is see the sun come up.
Yeah, so I just it's my timewith me and my dog.
Um, I, generally I'm always upbefore the sun comes up and I,
yeah, walk downstairs, get a bigglass water, open that door, um
, and literally just lookthrough the trees out the
backyard and that's what we'remeant to do talk to the dog and

(01:18:05):
watch the sun come up yeah beinga human yeah, and just reflect
on well, I don't even reflectgenerally at that time of the
morning like I literally justsit there and think how grateful
I am that I can sit here withmy dog and watch the sun come up
, yeah, getting the blue,getting the blue light and that
beautiful, uh, melatonin, Ithink it isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
No, melatonin, melanin melanin.
I think it's melanin.
Someone that kicks up kicks theuh, kicks you into the day and
helps you stop getting skincancers and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah, but, mate, we'll wrap it up.
I really appreciate you comingdown.
I love the chat.
How can people get in contactwith you if they want to have a
run and stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Oh, yeah, with Run Queensland, you can find us on
the socials.
We've got like Facebook for RunQueensland, instagram, then the
website's justwwwrunqueenslandqldcomau.
Yeah, just have a look at theevents and if you need any
information about it, just shootus an email.
That's all on the website.

(01:19:01):
Yeah, we just mostly want toget people connected to the land
.
We have all the first aid andcheckpoints with all the
different food around it.
Yeah, just come out and have agood time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Oh, guys, if you're interested and you want to try
something different, I'm goingto have a crack mate.
I think I need to do a littlebit more training, but I think
it's something I'll really enjoy, so we'll be catching up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I was trying to get you tradies to come up for the
one at the brewery at Yandere inthe next week, but I think yous
are busy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Yeah, short notice on that one, but, guys, if
anyone's listening, reach out toBrett and the team.
I know they would do a greatjob because I know what a legend
this bloke is.
So, look, guys, as always, likeshare, comment all those types
of things and stay tuned,because look, after the success
of our event last week, we willdefinitely be doing more events,

(01:19:48):
so stay tuned.
We'll keep you up to date withwhat's coming, but please help
us continue to make thisAustralia's number one
construction podcast by helpingyou live a better life so that
you can deliver your clientsbetter projects are you ready to
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Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
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me, dwayne Pearce, is basedsolely on my own personal
experiences and thoseexperiences of my guests.
The information, opinions andrecommendations presented in
this podcast are for generalinformation only, and any
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We recommend that you obtainyour own professional advice in

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