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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I sort of just got to that point where I'm just sick
of being a shit person, andthat's where I changed my life.
You know what I mean?
Well, that's taking ownership.
I'm probably trying to growmyself before I can grow the
company.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm really thinking you're going to inspire a lot of
people that are listening tothis.
G'day guys.
Welcome back to another episodeof Level Up.
We are back in the shed thisafternoon and I'll give you a
little bit of backstory on thisone, because even just sitting
here having a little chat beforewe got started today, this is
definitely going to be a cracker.

(00:32):
So today we've got with us MattLynch from Matt Lynch Tiling up
in Toowoomba and a little bitof a backstory of how we met.
Anyone that follows me on mysocials would have seen earlier
in 2024, I went to a propertyinvesting conference with Robert
I can never get his last nameright Kawasaki, whatever it is
and then one of the otherspeakers there was JT Fox, and

(00:54):
anyway, I got way out of mycomfort zone, ended up spending
10 grand to go and spend an hourand a half with him.
Ever since I've had a lot ofclarity, but the other thing
that I got out of that was wewent and got to do a two-day.
I think there was 130-oddpeople that got to go and spend
time with him in a roomIncredible value.
I've never written so manynotes in all my life.

(01:14):
And, yeah, the guy that we havewith us here today was sitting
at the tail behind me.
We had to do a little groupexercise and anyway, long story
short, he's sitting here nowdoing a podcast.
Um, he's a tyler from toowoombaand, uh yeah, jumped at the
chance to come and have a chaton the podcast.
How are you, mate?
Good dwayne?
How are you, mate?
Excellent, so a little bitnervous today.
Never done a podcast, for no.
I like these ones because, likethe whole point of this podcast

(01:36):
is just to get peopleunderstanding that they're not
the only people in the industrythat are dealing with stuff, and
100 yep yeah, like we've allanyone that's been in this
industry for any period of time.
There's lots of challenges outthere, so we want to, we like to
talk about and dive into themyeah, I think you've got to.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It makes things a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah so, mate, what's a tyler doing like?
To be honest, I was.
I was actually blown awaybecause obviously at that jt fox
event, whatever it was 130, 140people.
I was actually blown away athow many tradies there were in
that room.
Like there was scaffoldingcompanies, there was bitumen
companies, there was tylers,there was I think there's a
couple landscaping contractors.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Like I was really excited to see so many tradies
actually putting time, money andenergy into themselves yeah,
yeah it's, I think it's, I thinkit has to be done, like,
especially in this day and age,there's a lot more to it than
just rocking up and working.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
And then you ended up going further.
You went and did an extra threedays and you were saying that
that's given you a tunnel vision.
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, it sort of gave me clarity because, as you know
, it's so hard to get goodworkers, so I've sort of given
up on that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm happy to take if anybody wants a job and they're
good at it well, I'm happy totake them on, but it's just so
hard to get good, motivatedpeople.
Yeah, the industry is a toughindustry, isn't it?
Like it doesn't matter whattrade you are no just finding
people that can put effort inday in, day out.
So show up, do their thing and,and uh, add value to your
business yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's all they got to do is care.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
That's all they have to do yeah, and tilings are like
I admire toiling.
Like one of my favorite thingswith the builders that I follow
on instagram is I always callthem out about their tile set
outs.
There's a couple um that Ifollow that just like
unbelievable, like the way the,the effort they go to in their
framing stages to set out sothat everything's equal tiles,
and like I love it.

(03:27):
I think it's fantastic to me.
That's how it should be.
Like definitely you, um, youget your clients to select
everything.
You you figure it all out, youknow what the tiles are and you
work backwards so that you likeit shits me when you turn up or
you walk through houses and yougot like these little shit cuts
along walls yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And then you usually have a problem with quantities
because you're wasting so muchof a tile, yeah, and a lot of
people don't understand thatwhere, if you got, you know, a
tall that's 10 mil, bigger thanhalf, you're wasting.
If you don't have another placeto use that, cut or off, cut,
yeah, um, you're wasting allthat.
So, yeah, I think a lot, a lotneeds to be in the set out.
And I think yeah, that's wherebuilders could probably take a

(04:05):
bit more on in that aspect of it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So, man, let's dive into business.
I think we've got a lot to talkabout today.
You sent us a few notes andthings.
You've got a pretty standardstory, I guess, when it comes to
the industry, but you're stillpushing on.
You keep coming back bigger andbetter.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I'm trying to.
Yeah, I'm probably trying toobviously grow myself before I
can grow the company.
Because if you know it's hardgetting up every day because
you're the only motivation yougot, like that's what's hard
about our industry is that it'sup to you to get up every day.
Where you know you don't workfor somebody else, you know it's
up to you.
If a job doesn't get done well,you don't get paid.
So that's your motivation everyday and it gets really hard and

(04:46):
it gets really tough.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
I think for anybody that has never worked in our
industry or tried to run abusiness in our industry, it can
be quite hard to understand,because other businesses can
grow, I believe, really easily,because they're either operated
online or they're in a fixedlocation.
Yeah, so it's very easy to growbecause your staff come to you.

(05:11):
They have a place of work yeahwhereas a builder or tradie like
for you to grow.
That means that you're spreadover multiple sites, which means
you have to then have to managemultiple teams yeah, you then
have to have someone in thoseteams that can run it like you
do exactly, and that is reallyhard to find.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, you can't find them, because if that, if there
is a person out there, they'reusually working for themselves
anyway.
Yeah, and that's what I'mseeing a lot is that a lot of
once?
They know that they've got tothat point they just want to go
out on their own, yeah, and, butthey've got, at the end of the
day, like I've got nothing wrongwith them going out on their
own, but this, it's so mucheasier just to work with

(05:49):
somebody else.
Yeah, yeah, um, and just buildyourself up.
Like it took me, like I wentout on my own the first time
back in 2012, basically wentthrough a bad relationship, um,
basically started my ownbusiness because we were quiet,
I was in a heap of debt, got acar repossessed, you know all
this sort of stuff.
Basically got back on my feet,ran the business then so you

(06:10):
well.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
So can we go back and talk about your story a bit?
Yeah, so have you always been aTyler.
Yeah, and what did anapprenticeship work?
I?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
actually didn't do an apprenticeship.
It was actually, um, because Iwas only 14, 15 when I started,
because I was up in Toowoomba.
I actually had to go do TAFE inBrisbane and my parents were
like he's 15 years old, he's notgoing to Brisbane, you know.
And we ended up seeing a localmember and saying this is
bullshit, like why is a youngkid got to go all the way to
Brisbane by himself?

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well, you wouldn't have a license.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
No, exactly Exactly.
So I basically had to get thetrain or whatever down there and
then stay in a place all bymyself.
You know, as a 15-year-old kidLike this is a joke, yeah.
So I ended up quitting myapprenticeship and then
basically just went on, wentsubby like as a labourer sort of
thing, and then did recognitionof prior learning after that.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, so how many years did you do labouring in
that?
For, oh, seven years.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
But I was still like tiling properly and still
learning, like it was basicallylike an apprenticeship, but just
no paperwork.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
For the same boss, yeah, same guy, yeah yeah right,
so well, look, that's singingoutside the box, Like sometimes
you've got to do whatever ittakes.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, that's it.
Like I wasn't going to quit, itwas just obviously I had to
Brisbane for whatever six, eightweeks a year by myself yeah,
yeah, that's a big ass for ayoung like well, I'm assuming
that's changing now like yeah,yeah, yeah, there's.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I think it's almost like a freaking little city now.
Like, yeah, yeah, booming, yeah.
So then, what age were you whenyou decided to go on your own?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
um 20, it was either 22 or 23.
Yeah, still very, very immature.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Now that I look back, very immature but like the same
thing that we're talking about,like we started talking about,
like you did.
Yeah, like, because that's whatyou do, like you're everyone.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I thought I had it all.
You know like, I thought I knewwhat I was doing and everyone
thinks the grass is greener yep,it definitely wasn't.
I just dug myself a massivehole, got in heaps of tax debt
nearly well, pretty much wentbankrupt and then so did you go?
Bankrupt.
Yeah, well, basically, yeah,yeah, yeah, like I couldn't get.
I think you know how you getyour like um, your credit score,

(08:17):
and it's like out of a thousand.
My credit score was 70 yeah,and what that's?
because you couldn't pay off Icouldn't pay any repossessed and
stuff yeah, and is that?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
because you?
You started.
You started like your ownbusiness and you started earning
what you thought was bettermoney.
But you didn't understand youhad to put away tax, exactly
super and I basically pissed alot of it up the wall.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, because I wasn't in a good headspace.
Um, you know, I was dealingwith a lot you know had was
victim of domestic violence frommy ex-girlfriend and all that
sort of thing.
So I was in a really bad spaceand obviously you know how it
just snowballs when you're inthat sort of frame of mind.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So, um, this is really like.
I appreciate you talking aboutthis because this, like this, is
really good.
To go from that to now thisyear you've gone to jt fox
events and stuff and you're likeyeah this is a really good
example and shows people likeanybody can get ahead.
So like how did you work yourway out of that, like if you
went bankrupt and Well,basically, I didn't actually
like this is where I didn'tactually go bankrupt.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I didn't like say I'm not paying.
I actually paid all those debtsback over four or five years.
So I paid all those debts backand then by working for someone
else.
Yeah just work for somebodyelse.
Yeah, and I was luckily likeand that's when everything sort
of clicked for me straight, likeonce I knew that, you know, I
couldn't go out on my own.
You know, I had all this debt,I had nothing.

(09:35):
All I had was my job.
So I rocked up every day and Iworked my fucking ass off every
day.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, and managed to get better pay, you know, and
then work my way out of it, yeah.
And then what?
Eventually got to a point whereyou went out on your own again.
Yeah, and, like you, obviouslylearned a lot from those lessons
yeah, and you would have hadlike four years to pay it all
off.
I'm sure you had a lot to thinkabout.
Did, definitely, did you?
Um, did you do any extralearning or anything in that

(10:00):
time, or like no?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
well, all the learning didn't really come to
me and like until like the lasttwo or three years, because I
was working for somebody else,like only two years ago, and I
worked with him through thewhole thing, like the whole 10
years from when I basically wentbankrupt.
Yeah, and I worked for him andyou know he he showed a lot of
faith in me and obviously,because I busted my ass, he he

(10:23):
wanted me to work for him.
Yeah, so whatever I wanted, hegave me and helped me out with a
lot of things and all that.
So you know I've got a lot tothank for him for what he's done
for me.
But all this extra learningjust sort of comes to me because
, you know, I'm sort of out ofall that now I want to keep
moving forward, yeah, and youdon't want to go back to where
you were Exactly, and that's thething.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
So some people, you could either fall in a hole and
just keep repeating that samething, which a lot of people in
our industry do.
Yeah, can we dive into it?
Because I'm really interestedin finding out what makes people
change, because it's the numberone thing I get asked all the
time what was your turning point?
What made you realize there wasa better option or a better way
to do things?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
um, pain, I suppose, the pain of, you know, not
having anything to look forwardto, um, not going anywhere in
life, you know, losingfriendships, all that sort of
thing.
Um, you know, I used to be oneof those tradies that you'd look
forward to the weekend.
So you go down the pierce.
You know like now I'm stillstill have a beer, but you know
I don't look forward to it asmuch anymore.
I'm more.

(11:22):
I listen to podcasts every day,just trying to keep learning.
So I think that's where that'sthe difference, because I used
to drink so much because Iwanted to forget about the pain.
Now I just face the painstraight on and that's what.
That was the turning point forme, where I just face the pain
and that's powerful, that'spowerful stuff, manned up a bit,
you know yeah, because yourbiggest wins come from your
hardest challenges.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Definitely, and it's very easy to like that.
I think that's what most of theworld does like we.
Just we shy away from the painbecause it's it's easier yeah,
that's right, you just basicallytry and instead of leaning into
it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, exactly, you just got to face the head on.
Yeah, like I used to hate doingmy tax return.
Hate it because every time Idid it just I knew there was
another bill.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
But now I just get it done pay the bill and it's done
, you know but is that becauseyou're you're more aware of what
your expenses are and and yourcosts are?
Like, yeah, and and you andyou're I hope you like you're
putting your tax away?
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
So is that?
Have you learned that from whatyou went through of, like, what
learnings have you done in thelast few years to to get to
where you are now?

Speaker 1 (12:20):
um, I've got a really good accountant.
He helps a lot.
He sort of put, pointed me inthe right direction.
And obviously, my last employer, he helped me a lot because I
asked him a lot of questions,like because, um, he had I think
there was he had eightemployees at one point and you
know, it was just it was reallystressful for him and even
though he had someone like me torun a crew as well, it's just
that it just got too hardchasing the work and yeah, that

(12:42):
sort of thing.
Um, yeah, I think learning a lotfrom my past employer.
I still talk with my still goodmates and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
So any questions I have I usually just ask him and
if he can't answer it, I ask theaccountant so I'm not scared to
ask the questions where beforeI just didn't give a fuck well,
that's another important one too, because I that was me as well
like I, I was scared to ask thequestion because, like my gut
knew the answer yeah, that'sright, and the answer was always
shit yeah, exactly um and yeah,but whereas now, yeah, you

(13:11):
gotta, you gotta lean into it.
So, like do you find the moreyou lean into the, the
challenging times and thechallenging things like the, the
faster you excel yeah, I'm sortof just.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm sort of going through that now because you
know, I've only been in thiscompany for, I don't know, 16,
17 months now and it's beenpretty.
To be honest.
It's been pretty easy going upuntil this point and then having
employees.
And you know it's a differentkettle of fish because I was
just by myself for a while andyou know, obviously making
plenty of money and then all ofa sudden get all these employees

(13:43):
plenty of money, and then allof a sudden get all these
employees I'm chasing up workand you know having to go back
and getting phone calls andmessages from builders saying
this is fuck, this is fuck like.
And then you're calling your,your people.
I'm saying, hey, what thefuck's going on here, and then
you know that was it's.
That's really, really stressful,because you know you're out
quoting jobs, you're talking topeople you know trying to build
relationships, and these peopleare doing this stuff behind your

(14:05):
back.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's just like yeah, it's I think it's like building
a team is in the innerconstruction business is hard.
Yeah, there's absolutely nodoubt about like you've.
You've really got to put a lotof time into sourcing the right
people and like my big thing isnow you've got to make it.
Like it's hard.
I find it hard to get buy-infrom the team because it doesn't
matter how much you talk tothem about like give me value.

(14:28):
Like you show me, I'll lookafter you, because that's how
it's got to be.
Like your team add you value ifthey do the work correctly, if
they do it efficiently, ifthere's no fuck-ups, if there's
no limited waste you get goodfeedback.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's not actually hard to add value.
Um, that's right.
I think that's where the timeshave changed and I think this is
where you're going into adifferent, like a better, place
with the whole building industry.
Back when I started myapprenticeship and probably the
same for you it was more so itwas them giving you a job, but
now you're both.
You basically need them to.
You need, you need apprenticeswhere back in our days, we
didn't like they couldn't give afuck if you stayed or didn't

(15:07):
you know, like where.
Now, like, we're pushing formore people to come through the
industry, where back 20 yearsago it was probably more.
You know, but if you fucked uplike that, just send you on your
way, you know, find another oneyeah it is very challenging.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
But, like, how are you managing it?
Now?
You got a couple apprentices,now you're um, so you're on the
tools you're looking after.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, I'm on the tools a lot now.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, Ibasically just have them with me
.
You know, or might have.
I've got a fourth yearapprentice so I'm trying to get
him going.
But he was with a really bademployer for for the first three
years of his apprenticeship, sohe's basically just been
laboring, mixing glue, you know,not really going out of his
comfort zone.
He's just been doing repetitivestuff.

(15:45):
So I'm sort of trying to gethim like he can't scream floors,
he can't do niches, stuff likethat.
So a fourth, you should be ableto do that, yeah definitely and
he's.
He's never done it before.
So you know I've got mychallenges with him, but you
know he's got to be open tolearn all this stuff and know
that even though he's a fourthyear, he's probably only a third
year yeah, and then who elseyou got?

(16:06):
I've got actually got a, um,christy.
Um, she's a young girl, she's21, she'll be 22 in a couple of
months but, um, she reallystruggled to get an
apprenticeship.
Um, she didn't really know whatshe wanted to do, but she liked
tiling.
So, yeah, um, she tried to getan apprenticeship with a few
people and but, um, she, she's.
I suppose, being a female, it'sa bit intimidating for the if

(16:26):
you have boys in your crew, andyeah.
So she struggled to get anapprenticeship.
And then she worked for thesame company that my fourth year
worked for and I said, oh, shewas actually dating one of my
friend's sons.
I said, no, don't, don't, don'tgo work for that bloke Cause.
Um, anyway, he ended up goingbankrupt since.
So, yeah, she signed up with meand she's been with me ever
since and she's.
I've gone through like sixapprentices in the last 12

(16:48):
months and she's been the bestone so far yeah, yeah it's, it's
good, like I'm all for uhfemales coming in the industry,
I think they've definitely got aplace and they like.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I'd imagine they'd be great for toiling because, like
they a lot of time, theirattention to detail is better it
it is, but like she goes shegoes just as hard as the boys,
like like she'll carry bucketsof mud.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
You know like if you treat her any different she'll
probably yell at you you knowlike yeah yeah, no, she goes
good.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I think it's awesome.
I'm really pleased to see morefemales having a go and
definitely branching out intodifferent trades and bits and
pieces.
But, um, so, yeah, like.
So then, how do you like?
Did you book into the jt fox oryour partner, like, what was
the?
Oh you went to robert.
So yeah, I went to robert I'massuming you went to robert
because you got interested inproperty yeah, I'm mad on
property.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
um yeah, so we went to robert case like we had no
idea about other people thatwere going to be there and um,
um yeah, so jt fox came up andlike, well, this sounds like a
pretty good thing and heobviously has some knowledge
about what we're doing.
And yeah, just a spur of themoment thing that I just went
and did.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
And.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I'm glad I did it.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I definitely got a lot out of it, and I was
quite surprised that a lot ofpeople said they didn't get much
out of Robert that day as well,because I got heaps out of him.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I probably didn't get much out of Robert that day as
well, because I got heaps out ofhim like no, I probably didn't
get that much because I listento Robert's podcast every week
and, um, I probably didn't getthat much.
But you know, I'm saying that Iprobably did learn a little bit
, like like read between thelines, sort of thing have you
listened to the um, the creaturefrom Jekyll?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
no, I haven't listened to that one yet oh man,
I've just only just sort of gotthrough.
It's a big one.
I had to keep stopping at 26hours or something.
Oh wow, it's huge.
But yeah holy shit.
It's an eye-opener, but it'sunbelievable how your mindset
shifts when you know more aboutmoney and its value definitely,
definitely.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I just finished a book last week um, I forget the
name of it.
It was, um, it was written byjim ricketts the aftermath
that's the name of it aftermath,and it's basically just talking
about how the american dollaris going to crash and and how,
um, they're trying to push forworld war iii to and they're
just going to keep printingmoney, and yeah, it's just that
creature from um.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I think it's creature from jekyll island, that's it.
Like I really struggled to getinto, like I had to get listen
to things multiple times and um,that's not unusual for me.
It takes a little while tothink in, but it that book?
I think was released in 2018 or2019 or something and they like
they were talking about covid,like that yeah, and like he went
right back through the yearsand like when he yeah, when you

(19:20):
like, I'm not a conspiracytheorist or whatever, but you've
got to take when people aretalking about stuff that's been
happening for hundreds of yearsand all these things are all
falling into place, like it doesworry me that we're leaning
towards a like we're all headingtowards being completely
controlled.
Yeah, and money is money'sgoing to be a big thing of that
like, because money, money isworthless.

(19:43):
It is like cash is trash yeah,like it used to, it used to have
value when, when, like everydollar, used to be referenced to
gold yep so it was.
The dollar value in the worldwas always limited by the amount
of gold in the world.
Yep, but obviously that withthe population growth that's
unsustainable.
So then they started printingmoney.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
So exactly money is actually worthless so with that
um aftermath book he actuallytalks about if they were to,
because all the money in theworld at the moment to actually
because of the price of gold, togo with all the I think it's
like 24 trillion dollars in theworld or something and to get it
all backed by gold gold pricewould have to go to 27 000

(20:23):
dollars an ounce yeah, itdoesn't surprise me, which is
just crazy yeah and like howmany people know about this
stuff, like why aren't we taughtthis stuff at school?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
well, this is a thing we should be and and like I'm
really interested.
So you're like, before westarted recording, you're saying
you're really into yourproperty and that's um, yeah,
like I I've I've always knownthat property was the way to get
ahead.
Because it's just in my earlydays I didn't understand money
and finances, so like I nearlywent broke because I was putting

(20:51):
too much into property, becauseI wasn't running my business
properly and all types of things.
But when you like, even justfrom listening to that book, the
Creech from Jekyll Island, likeit's just completely opened my
mindset up to the way that Ifeel about money, the way I
think about money, the way Ivalue money.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Same.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
And it feel about money the way I think about
money.
The way I value money, same um,and it's changed the way I make
decisions.
Uh, about money, yep, but um.
But you obviously have seenlike you need, you want property
to create your passive incomeand and have something else on
the side.
Is that why you're getting intoyour property?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
basically yeah, like I can't toil forever, yeah, so
it's important, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
because that reality is.
Doesn't matter what trade youare, it's hard on your body.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Definitely, definitely.
My knees aren't that flash.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So you've got to be smart.
I tell people all the timewealth isn't created by what you
earn.
Everyone just going back toemployees, everyone just wants
to keep earning more and moreand more.
But those same people are theones that are eating out three,
four, five nights a week.
They've got a house full ofbrand new furniture, they've
driving new cars, like they'reconstantly spending money.
But yeah, wealth is actuallynot created by what you earn.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's wealth is created by how you spend your
money yeah, yeah, that's rightand that's for a lot of people,
like how many people out thererefinance because you know
they've got a car loan, you knowrefinance their house to pay
for it, all you know like.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And then this is what they talk about in these books
like this is.
It's all.
This is all orchestrated likethey want us in debt all the
time.
The more people in debt, themore people don't understand the
value of money.
The better for the hierarchy,because the interest payments
just keep coming in yep, that'sit.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
And then, from what I hear, they're going to drop
interest rates in september or,you know, later this year in
america, and because we'relinked with the american dollar,
we have to drop interest ratesas well, and so, yeah, it could
be a very interesting 12 months,I think, with the us election
coming up as well.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
So yeah, definitely.
So where's all that come from?
Like as a as a trader thatstarted work at 14, um, almost
went bankrupt.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like where um, I just basically, when I bought my
only bought my first housestarted 2022.
And I was with my partner thatI have now.
We just got engaged back inApril.
She had she just bought herproperty 12 months before that
and once I knew that I could buya property, it just sort of
opened my mind.
I'm like, right, surely there'sI can do more than just tile,

(23:04):
like there's got to be more.
I don't want to be like all theother fellows that are in my
industry that are still toilingat 50 60.
You know, yeah, I don't want tobe that person.
I want to.
I want to do somethingdifferent and that's what?
Basically, what started it alland what?
So, you know, I bought my firstproperty.
It just really like ifeverything just exploded in my
mind.
So, yeah, they startedlistening to all these books,

(23:25):
podcasts, everything what'swhat's the best ones you've
listened to.
Listened to Robert Kiyosaki RichDad, Poor Dad podcast, Nathan
Birch.
He's a buyer's agent.
He talks a lot about theAustralian economy and all that
sort of stuff.
We've bought a few propertiesthrough him.
I've learned a lot off him.

(23:45):
The way he goes about propertyreally makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
So you bought your first property in 2022.
Yeah, and you just said youbought a few, so how many have
you accumulated in a couple ofyears?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So we've just signed a contract where you get to get
financed, but on our sixthproperty, holy shit, in two
years.
Yeah, basically Two, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Two, two and a half years.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, you've got to be proud ofthat.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah, well, my partner's, my partner obviously
has her property and she boughtone herself as well.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
But yeah, yeah, and that's um like, do you mind
talking about this?
No, no, because again this,like I said, trade a lot of
tradies, think they're going tomake their wealth from doing
their day job.
Like your day job will veryrarely make you wealthy like
you've got to.
This is where it comes back totaxes yeah and look, this is
definitely not a financial orreal estate podcast we're just
simply talking about shit thatwe do so yeah, yeah, this is
where it comes in the taxes.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Like, if you keep, the harder you work, the more
tax you got to pay.
So you need to find ways to usethat money and then save on tax
later on.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, if that makes sense because you've done that
in like a pretty like a two yearperiod where the pricing of
houses is going through the roof?
Yeah, so that's prettyunbelievable.
And are you buying them all inAustralia?
Yeah, all in Australia Likelocal area, or are you going?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
No, we've got one.
We've just had one settle.
It's in Victoria, inTallangatta.
Yeah, we got one in Townsvilleand Townsville.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
We're looking around for another one at the moment as
well to add to our portfolioand, like Townsville is going
pretty well like it's, it'ssurprising what you can buy
property for there and therental returns yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
It is absolutely crazy.
Like we paid 280.
We only bought a two bed, twobath unit.
We paid 285.
It only settled back in April,may.
Yeah, it settled back then andit's renting for 450 a week.
Yeah, it's unbelievable and thebank's valued it now at about
320, 330.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, so you've got 40, 50 grand's worth of equity
in a few months.
So what's your plan with like?
Is it to create passive income?
Because obviously, depending onwhere you buy properties,
you're either going to makerental returns out of it and
keep it long-term, or you'rebuying areas where you're going
to get a lot of capital growthin it, or it could be a mix of
both.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, I think we're probably just going for that
cashflow at the moment, likethis.
We've already got places likeproperties that have got capital
growth already.
So we're gonna obviously tapinto that equity and keep buying
.
But the buyer's agent that wego with, nathan Birch, we did
like a phone call with him andhe basically said that we could
get up to like 15 properties inthe next two years.

(26:22):
So he's done it all himself.
He's got like 240 oddproperties himself.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, so he obviously takes commission.
So does he find the propertiesfor you and then come back to
you with all the data?
Yep, yep, I'll give him a shoutout.
He can sponsor the podcast.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, he's so good.
Eh, like he's really good.
I fully recommend anybody talkto him, because if you want to
get out of the rat race, he'sdefinitely one man to talk to.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah Well, mate, I really appreciate that you've
been so open and talking aboutit, because I get asked a lot
from people what else can you do?
Like, how do you be successful?
And look, everything I do withmy Live Like, build business,
like I'm all for, I want everybuilder and tradie to have a
business that runs well.
So, like, live Like, build,build.

(27:13):
Yes, it's about running.
Like we teach you to run yourbusiness like a well-oiled
machine, but it's a lot of itspersonal development stuff.
And um, look, don't get mewrong like, our building
business is incrediblyprofitable, very successful, but
um, we have a prettysubstantial turnover.
Like we got over 23 milliondollars worth of work on our
books at the moment at alldifferent stages yeah but you
can.
You can only ever go so far withyour business.
That's right.
And so we're similar to you.
Like we invest in property forcash flow, so for us it's all

(27:33):
about buying property at theright price, making sure that
we've got enough cash to put adecent deposit in it, to bring
the repayments down so thatwe're making good cash flow out
of the rental income.
So I don't know if that'ssimilar to your strategy, but
yeah, basically, basically, yeah, we're just trying to.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
This is how nathan basically told us like you get
15 properties and you know eachof them, you put the rent up 100
bucks a week.
There's 1500 bucks yeah a week.
Yeah, you know, then that givesfreedom to either I slow down
or the missus can slow down, youknow yeah, my plan is not to
slow down like.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I want to keep all my businesses making money my.
My biggest thing with the umproperties is if I choose to
slow down at work, I still wantan income.
I don't want to get to a pointwhere I have to pick and choose
yeah if I can't like, I can't, Ican't travel, or I can't do
stuff with the kids, or we can'tbuy new cars because, yeah,
there's not the income there.

(28:27):
So the whole idea of theproperty is just to keep having
income until the day I die.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, that's right and then you got that um
generational wealth as well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, and look, we bought the game, like we bought
robert's game that day yeah,right, yeah I nearly fell out.
It was over 300 bucks orsomething but yeah well um it's.
It is like it's a.
It should be made.
It should be a board gamethat's accessible.
They should be made played atschool.
I can't believe.
I don't know if you've playedit or seen it.
No.
I can't remember the name of theboard game but we might put a

(28:58):
link or something to it.
But it's like a real-lifemonopoly.
You buy and sell houses, youcan buy and sell shares, but
it's real.
You go bankrupt in the game.
Yeah, can you buy and sellhouses you, you can buy and sell
shares, but it's real, like you, you can't.
You go bankrupt in the gamelike it's yeah um yeah, I've
heard a lot about it.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I wouldn't mind.
I'd like to play it one daywhat's it called cash flow?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
yeah the um.
I think they sell it online orwhatever.
But yeah, we we've and it's.
It's a long game like wethought we weren't sure about.
So since we we bought it, wehaven't even finished a game
like we got like halfway throughand it was hours and hours.
But yeah it was good because thekids were asking questions,
like they were learning thevalue of money exactly and, like
I talk a lot of um on thepodcast all the time, like most

(29:37):
people don't even value theirtime, let alone their money, and
I think you really have tounderstand the value of your
time or appreciate your time,because when you do that it it
just skyrockets your value formoney definitely yeah like you,
uh, do you go and meet?
Like how do you run yourbusiness?
Do you only work for buildersor do you work for private

(29:57):
clients?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
oh, usually mainly.
I basically just do new builds.
But I've been sort of, you know, because the new building
industry in toowoomba sort ofslowed down a little bit because
council hasn't opened up allthis land, so I've been doing a
few reno jobs for builders,helping them out a fair bit.
So, um, yeah, it's probably 5050 at the moment, but before
that, like last year, it was allnew build stuff and the

(30:20):
builders just are they givingyou rates or you give them a
rate like how you?

Speaker 2 (30:23):
know, I just give them a rate and it like meet at
square meters right yep yep andlike even with that, that's like
, if you haven't worked foryourself, it's it's hard to get
your head around.
You know, like so if you've gota square meter rate, you have
to get a certain amount ofmeters done every single day for
you to make money.
Exactly.
So obviously you know abreak-even point, like you know
each day how many meters you'regonna lay before you even make

(30:45):
money oh it's.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's a little bit trickier than that, because
there's so many different, somany different things these days
, like back when I've, you know,when I started tiling like
there was hardly any niches oryou know, um, like mainly all
floors were bedded and all thissort of thing where now it's
just so many different thingsbecause of all these stupid tv
shows on channel nine andchannel seven.
I actually absolutely hate them.

(31:08):
So yeah um, people just gethere look you're.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
You're the real deal.
You're the toilet sitting here.
I've talked about this, but I'mnot a toilet.
But how?
My understanding is that if youwaterproof a wet area, you've
got to water test it for aminimum of 24 to 48 hours never
heard of that no, we water testall of our waterproofing yeah,
right you got to flood.
Yeah, you got to stick a balloonin the pipe and flood it and
yep, actually I need to.
I'm, I'm, uh, I need to checkthat out.

(31:32):
On the tools app, see what theysay about the standard for
waterproofing.
But, um, like they waterproofand then they literally bed it
before the waterproofing'sfinished drying, and then that
afternoon they're laying tileson it.
Yeah, you're just asking fortrouble asking for trouble yeah,
and then all the um, like youlike.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Obviously, the size of tiles has changed
dramatically yeah, it's a littleharder on your back these days.
Um, the files are either umsmall or too big and I think I
understand people like seesomething and they want it or I
get all that.
But I watch a lot of thoseshows.
I'm like, fuck me, why wouldyou pick that tall?
But um, yeah, it's, they usethese big, massive tolls in

(32:11):
bathrooms.
It's like yeah like I've donethose really really big tolls.
I've done a couple of those, um, you know, that's three meter
by 1.4, yeah, and they are just.
They are so nerve-wracking todo because you got to cut them
and you can't just cut it allwith a grinder.
We actually have this big longcutter that you suction cap to
the top of it and then youscribe it and then you've got to

(32:32):
twist this thing and it justpops the tile and it breaks it.
It's so nerve-wracking becauseif there's a little hairline in
it when it gets delivered itjust breaks out and then that's
$1,200 down the shit ch.
Yeah, but yeah, I just thinkpeople just need to think about
what they're actually trying to,what they want to accomplish,
because it can be very costlyfor them to do what they want to

(32:53):
do.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, how's that work for tillers Like how do you
know that the tiller's rightwhen it's being delivered, when
it's that size Like it could bebumped when it's getting
unloaded, or bumped.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Exactly, you don't.
You just get until you, youknow, know, start cutting it, or
you know you've cut it and thenyou pick it up and then it
falls to pieces.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah so how do you, how's that work with the builder
?
Like does it?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
well, I think there's insurances in place to replace
that toll, but I think it's noton you like that's no, it's like
can't be on us because we'reonly trying to do our job.
Yeah, um, but yeah, it'sobviously um.
Yeah, I think there areinsurances in place where they
can replace up to one or twopieces, but I think yeah, I'm
not 100% sure on that yeah, no,because you see it more and more

(33:33):
like those big tiles.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
They're getting used everywhere.
I think they're good.
I think they're awesome forcertain areas.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I think they're awesome on like a, you know, a
lounge room or a kitchen featurewall or something like that,
but in a pokey little bathroomyeah just, yeah, you, just, you
just make an alcoholic set oftires.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's all you're doing there so, with like that,
how do you like I know how hardit is for me as a, as a chippy
and a builder like because youwould have, only you wouldn't
have seen those big tiles duringyour earlier days.
No, so what is?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
do you do tile shops put on demonstrations or do tile
companies come out and saybasically yeah, like the tile
shops they're, they're the onesselling it, if they, if they're
selling it, they've got to knowhow to install it.
So we basically just go to themand say, hey, how are we
supposed to install this?
And then they usually get acouple reps up or whatever and
say this is what you got to do,and yeah but yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
so, um, are you like now with your, I guess,
motivation to learn and getupskilled and get into property
and stuff, like are you havingthese sorts of conversations
with your apprentices on sideand stuff?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Definitely, Like I've been up in Christy a fair bit
because she's got a bit of moneysaved in the bank and I'm like,
well, I want you to buy aproperty by the end of the year.
You know, because you know, Iknow it's hard to get.
She's obviously looking for aproperty to live in.
I said, well, don't worry aboutthat, just get yourself in the
industry, just get a leg in.
Yeah, because once they startachieving goals like that,

(35:04):
that's when they can.
You know, they're obviouslygoing to come to work with more
purpose and stuff like that.
So like my, my fourth yearapprentice he's, he's 20, he
hasn't got all his license yet.
So, car license, he hasn't gothis car license yet he's got a.
He's got a wife, he's got amissus and a kid at home.
What, yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
So I'm like I keep saying that's unheard of these
days I know why there's got tobe a backstory to that.
Oh if there is.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
He hasn't told me um this, hasn't had the opportunity
, I suppose.
I don't know, I've got no ideasomebody, his missus drops him
at work.
Yeah, every day.
Yeah, missus and kidder andbaby's in the back seat every
day goodness, if, if.
Well, obviously, if we'reworking a little bit out of town
or if it's 15, 20 minute drive,obviously I'll pick him up or
christy will pick him up.
But yeah, I've been pushing hima fair bit to get his license.

(35:45):
Holy shit Because obviouslythat's going to change his life
as well.
You know, yeah, and I'm justtrying to build these guys with
confidence because you know themore confidence they have, the
more purpose they're going tohave at work and you know
they're going to start thinkingahead a bit more.
Yeah, and it's not this bigdaunting thing that you're going
to be doing for the rest ofyour life don't.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, man, I'm really thinking you're going to
inspire a lot of people that arelistening to this, because it's
like it just shows like youdon't have to be this massive
business to to get ahead likeyou're.
You got two apprentices, um,like, are you on the tools all
day, every day?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
oh, I am now, since I had a tradesman a couple weeks
ago but he quit.
He um stuffed up a job and hegoes, calls me up that afternoon
, um, after the builder, umshowed me a photo of this job
that he fucked up and I rang himand said hey, what's going on
with this?
He goes yeah, I was going totell you, but I didn't want to
get yelled at.
I'm like mate, you're 37 yearsold, like seriously, so what did
he stuff up?
I stuffed up this feature walland it's like one of those

(36:40):
features where every tool isgoing to go in the exact same
place.
Anyway, exact same place.
Anyway, he just put a differenttile, thinking nobody would
pick up on it.
Anyway, the owner picked up onit straight away and I got a
photo sent through to me.
I'm like what I just said to himwhy wouldn't you just tell me?
like just tell me, anyway, I hadto order a whole new box, 260
bucks later, you know, um, andwe only need one tile out of
that box yeah, but then plusyour time, pull it exactly

(37:03):
exactly fixing it all and, youknow, trying to make it up to
the builder and the owner, andif he just told me there and
then I would have got over itpretty quickly and just started
moving forward from that.
But you know, getting phonecalls and messages from
everybody yeah, it just madethings 10 times more stressful.
And yeah, basically in thatphone call he goes yeah, it's
just not working.
I'm like okay, mate, see youlater.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, so people don't like accepting responsibility,
do they?

Speaker 1 (37:25):
no, I think they like to pass it on a fair bit.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
It blows my mind how many people will try and pass
the buck for something that isclearly their fault.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Ownership is one of the keys tofreedom.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Exactly, and that's one of the things that I've sort
of taken on board in the lastsix, seven years of my life is
you've got to takeresponsibility.
If you don't takeresponsibility, you don't learn.
You need to take responsibility, yeah, because if you take
responsibility then you can moveforward from it.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, and, as you say , trying to avoid that
responsibility just makessituations a hundred times worse
.
It makes you get down in thedumps, it makes you get angry,
like everyone else around yougets angry.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
So if he, just called me up straight away and say,
hey, I stuffed this tile up.
I'm really sorry, blah, blah,blah.
I would have got over it prettyquickly.
Yeah, because you know, likeI'm human, like it's not like I
haven't stuffed up jobs in mytime, you know, like it happens,
it absolutely happens and andthat's where you need to learn
from, because I'm going to makesure that never happens again.
Yeah, and I don't think theywant to take that responsibility

(38:29):
because it's just too hard forthem.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, Well, yeah, I'm not sure what it is.
People just don't like.
Everything that people whingeabout is very easy to change
Like, but it's I don't know Like.
It's one thing that like Ican't, I do get frustrated with
because I was that guy Likeeverything I talk about in this
podcast was me.
Yeah.
Like, just like you were upuntil a few years ago, and so I

(38:52):
know it sounds easy for me tosit here and go oh, you just got
to do this, you just got to dothat.
But that is honestly how easyit is.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, it is Like just you know how you can get the
press.
It just nobles.
Like you just start looking atall the negative things in your
life.
You start looking at.
I know it's.
It's easy to just sit here andsay look at all the positive
things, but not until you changeyour frame of mind where you
know like I sort of just got tothat point where I'm just sick
of being a shit person andthat's where I changed my life
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Well, that's taking ownership.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's right, and it's basically there's good.
I was just sick of beingunhappy and I think I had to
reach rock bottom for that tohappen.
Like my parents were off me,all that sort of thing.
Like yeah, it just like lifeactually hit rock bottom and I
had to get myself out of it andthe only way to do that was it
was me.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
There's nobody gonna save me I know we tried digging
into this before, but what?
What is it like?
Like, because some people justdon't change, some people just
keep falling in the same holeover and, over and over again.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Honestly, it's probably just from well.
I used to listen to a lot ofmotivational stuff on YouTube
and that and-.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Before you like-.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, it was probably just after I hit rock bottom.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm like what made you start looking at that sort
of type of stuff?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I've got no idea.
To be honest, I startedfollowing the Joe Rogan podcast
a bit and David Goggins.
I've listened to both of hisbooks and you know like I was in
so much pain and David Gogginsbasically said well, you use
pain.
So that's what I pretty muchdid.
I started running heaps after Ilistened to that podcast as

(40:26):
well.
I was running like 20Ks a week.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
We're going to have to get you back in a couple of
years mate for another one,because if you've had the growth
you've had in the last fewyears, like fuck.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh, who knows, it could all go to shit again.
Like you just don't know, butyou know, at least I know how to
get back up.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Well, I don't think it will, not if you keep this
positive mindset, oh yeah.
But what was your first bit ofsuccess?
Because I really likecelebrating the small wins,
because I think lots of peoplekeep wanting the huge
achievement or the huge win, sothey don't celebrate things that
happen along the way, and thena lot of people don't get to the
huge win, so then they fall inthe hole again.

(41:02):
What was the first sort ofsmall thing that you thought to
yourself like shit, I'm actuallyturning stuff around.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Basically buying my house.
I think that's where it sort ofhit me.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
But that's a big like to go from where you were to
buying a house.
That's where it sort of hit me.
But that's a big like to gofrom where you were to buying a
house.
That's a huge step, like thenyeah, look, there must have been
a point in there.
We like shit.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I actually can save up for a deposit or well, to be
honest and this is where a lotof kids out there as well and
I've been telling a lot of kidsthat it's there's so many ways
to buy a property and I neversaved a deposit for a house.
I um, because I pissed mom anddad off a lot back when I was
you know being shit and all thatum, and they were off me a bit.
I helped them out and put a bitof money into their house.
Anyway, they ended up gettingall this equity.

(41:43):
So I basically used mom anddad's equity as a deposit for my
house.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Yeah, and but they so they are they partners in the
property.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Or you paid them back , or so I think it was like 98
grand they lent me.
There was no money exchanged ornothing.
They had to refinance with thesame bank as me and it was
basically 98,000.
And I borrowed 100% of my loanbasically.
And, yeah, I think I got themreleased, I think September last
year, because I put money intomy property and got it going and

(42:12):
then, yeah, I've got that98,000 that I borrowed off.
Them went straight back to them.
I think September last year.
I've got that 98,000 that Iborrowed off.
Them went straight back to them, I think September last year.
So there's been a lot of,obviously, because Toowoomba's
gone off, there's been a lot ofcapital growth in the property,
so I've been pretty lucky.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, I wouldn't say it's lucky.
You took the step to get intoit.
I would say that's not lucky.
That's pretty risky takingequity out of your parents'
house to do what you've done.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
It is risky to a certain degree, but the only
risk because I know about moneyright and inflation and
everything like the only riskreally was if, like, the
property is always going to goup is well, I can't really think
of a risk.
But basically, if I stoppedworking, I went back to my old
ways, probably would have been arisk.
Yeah, but the only way it wasrisky for mom and dad is if I
didn't pay my repayments,because mum and dad weren't in

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charge of that.
They were just guarantor of thedeposit.
So the only way it was riskyfor mum and dad is if they sold
the property for less than whatI paid for it.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
And mum and dad would have to pay the difference on
that.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, so you didn't physically borrow the money off
them.
They went guarantor andreleased.
Like part of the guarantor wasthen signing over some equity.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, to put in there until you got, until you paid
that back yeah, like for me,like I just paid out, like a
hundred thousand dollar debt,yeah, 150 or 120 thousand dollar
debt in five years, there wasno way I would have had enough
money to buy, to buy a house,yeah, but it's just, you know,
talking to people, listen topodcasts and that's all of.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
all of your success has happened from listening to
podcasts and audible books,basically.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Seriously like we live in.
There is more to it, I suppose.
Like you know, I go to the gyma fair bit and I've got some
really good friends that havehelped me out heaps.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've also lost a lot offriends, but you are who you
hang around.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, yeah, but it's like, I think it's inspiring,
mate, like for any traders orpeople that are out there
listening and thinking, fuck,I'm never going to get where I
want to be because I'm a one manband or I've got a couple of
apprentices, like you're aperfect example that you can
achieve whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I was one of those traders that used to go to
the pub of an afternoon, put athousand bucks for the pokies.
Like what was I thinking?
Know, I'll look back now and go.
Why would I do that?
Now if I want to put money inthe pokies, it's like it's money
that I'm happy to lose, youknow.
But I'd stay, I'll stay awayfrom.
I think I've probably put maybe50 bucks in the pokies in the
last two or three years, so yeah, I wouldn't even know.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I wouldn't even know how to use the parking machine,
the um, but it's, it's trulyinspiring.
Like I think you should giveyourself a massive pat on the
back, like do you sit back everynow and then go fuck, like I've
turned a corner, I've achieveda lot?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
yeah, yeah.
Well, my partner's helped me alot as well, like she's.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
She's amazing, so yeah, so I met her at the.
She was at the jt foxing yeahso what's her, what's she do
what?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
oh, she's a speech pathologist at the base hospital
in toowoomba.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, yeah so that's, that's huge.
Like I, I feel you therebecause, mate, I I definitely
wouldn't be where I am if itwasn't for camille.
Like you've got to have a goodpartner behind you, hey to oh
definitely achieve these thingsand and especially when you're
starting to get into propertyand things, because you've got
to be on the same page yeah,that's right.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, it's been it's been really stressful couple of
years, so, um, but you knowwe're sort of slowly starting to
reap the benefits of it.
Yeah, you know you, if you'refeeling stressed, you know
you're doing something rightagain, you're leaning into it
exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, um, well, like, I definitely didn't think we're
going to be talking aboutproperty today.
I?
Um so what, when it comes tothe industry, like, because
that's why you come here, yousaid you had a lot to talk about
with the, the industry yeahwhat do you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (45:32):
well, basically that I think the industry is gonna.
I think, personally I think theindustry is going to crash at
some point.
How many young brickies do yousee these days?
All the old tradies that I knoware the only ones in the field.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It's not going to crash, it's just going to get a
lot more expensive.
Yeah, well.
Because it's happening.
There's just becoming less andless.
The population is growing.
Yeah, australia is taking onmore and more immigrants.
Yeah, we need more and morehousing.
Yeah, and yet we're slowlygetting less and less trades
trades coming through like Idon't I can't encourage anyone

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enough to be a tradie like whywould you not want to be a
tradie like you can literallyyou earn money to learn exactly?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
like yeah, and there's something that you can
do.
Like I think going to grade 12is a fucking waste of time and
unless you're going to be like adoctor or a lawyer or someone
up in that sort of, there's nopoint going to university or
anything like I don't think,unless you want to be someone
you know, high up or whateveryou know, but you can literally
be they make your own.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You gotta make your own choices on that yeah, yeah I
sort of agree, I don't.
Um, I think you, I, you, youhave to find a passion.
You've got to be passionateyeah, that's right, because if
you're passionate, you'll,you'll learn.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, if you're not passionate, you'll never take it
in that's right, but you'vealso got to work out what you
want out of life as well.
And yeah, I think that's whatthat's where I think the problem
is these days with, uh,building industry is what kids
are taught at school.
Like, coming up through theyears, like if you're going to
be a tradesman, that meansyou're dumb, you know, like
means you're not going to besuccessful, sort of thing.
Like I think that I got a lotof that when I was at school.

(47:05):
Like, yeah, the reason likewhat are you going to do?
Like you're obviously not goingto grade 12, I'm like I'm going
to be a tradie, yeah, and theyjust sort of the teachers robbed
their eyes at me like I'm likerighto, but look at me now.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, and you hear that story all the time.
Look, mate, again it goes.
After just finishing that book,it goes back to that book I was
talking about before.
Like it's all heading down thispath to like I hate school.
I hate everything about it.
I think it's too one size fitsall.
Like every single person istheir own individual.

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We all learn differently.
We all have different interests.
I don't understand why you canhave a school system that just
pushes all the same shit onevery single person.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, and I think a lot of it's.
To be honest, a lot of it was awaste of time.
How come we're not taught howto do a tax return, Just basic?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
stuff.
Yeah, we definitely 100% shouldbe taught more about money,
finances, business.
Yeah, but basically.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
But, again.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
The reality is, mate.
They don't want everybody toknow how to run a business.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Like that's how the world works.
They don't want us to besuccessful, they want us to be
employees.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
And like I'm a firm believer, like I don't really
care if I piss people off bysaying this, but discipline
needs to come back, like therehas to be.
Discipline like this fuckingeverybody gets a trophy shit and
bloody like it's just rubbishit's stupid isn't it like?
Do you think we would havechampionship NRL teams, afl
teams, netball teams if, like inthe professional league, like

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they don't get?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
no, not everyone's a winner yeah, like you, it's like
, that's the thing, but like,like, I keep going about like.
This is where you learn.
You learn from the pain.
So if you think you're winningall the time, you're going to
get smacked in the face andyou're going.
You're going to play victim forthe rest of your life but
that's what I see now happening.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Like going back to the employee thing.
Like I see it happening.
Like you get a new apprenticeor you get a new employee that's
maybe a bit younger and as soonas you push them hard, they
either quit or have a day offbecause they don't feel well, or
like there's no like.
Yeah, it shits me to tears,like you have to.
There has to be punishment forthings.
If you like my wife's this yearshe's taking it on, she's

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coaching my daughter's netballteam and mate, like they're 12,
13 year old girls and mate, thedisrespect that they show her at
training is is terrible.
Yeah, like on their phone notlistening.
Yeah, purposely stuffing drillsup and then causing the rest of
the team to have to do an extralap around the oval.
What like?
Whatever like it's.

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And like when she questionsthem or tries to have a go at
them about it, no, well, firstly, she gets yelled at by the
parents yeah because, like, whoare you to discipline my child?
yeah, exactly, and then theyflat out tell her to her face oh
, we don't, we're allowed to dothis at school like yeah, it's
terrible.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, I think the educational system sort of needs
a massive overhaul, I think,because you know obviously at
school like if you make amistake you get yelled at, so
you try and avoid makingmistakes.
But in life you make a mistake,you learn, get yelled at so you
try and avoid making mistakes.
But in life you make a mistake,you learn from it.
You should be encouraged tomake mistakes at school.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, but yeah the right mistakes.
Yeah, that's right.
But if you disrupt a class oryou're in a fight or whatever,
there shouldn't just be.
Oh, it's okay, don't do thattomorrow.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, slap on the wrist and youget detention or whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Well, a lot of them don't even do detention anymore,
nah.
But yeah, you're a shiningexample, mate, of what can
happen in the building industry.
Like seriously.
You get an apprenticeship, youget paid to learn and, like I
said before, wealth is notcreated by what you earn it's
created by what you spend, andagain, you're a perfect example

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of that, like you yeah you keepputting your money in the right
place, and wealth will keepcoming back.
Exactly, it'll just keepsnowballing yeah and uh, it
keeps accumulating.
It's, it's unbelievable.
I'm, um, I'm really pleasedyou're open enough to to share
about that and, I hope, a lot ofpeople.
How can people reach out to you?
How do they get in touch withyou?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
they can message me on Facebook.
Just, matty Lynch.
I haven't got a businessFacebook page yet, mate, come on
.
I sort of haven't really had tohave one because I'm sort of
old school where I'm not reallyinto the whole technology sort
of thing.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
But I'll definitely get the miss misses onto it for
sure mate, social media isenormous for business, so it
just yeah, helps you attract theright types of clients, just
like people get to know youbefore they even meet you and
yeah um, at the end of the day,that's that is the most
successful business, when it'sall about building relationships
and stuff.
But yeah, that's right um, butyeah, no, if people want to
reach out, jump on board.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
So on facebook yeah, facebook, uh, or send us an
email just um matt lynch, songat gmailcom yeah, awesome.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Well, mate, look, I really appreciate you coming all
the way down from toowoomba umto have a chat before we wrap it
up, is it?
Is there anything else you wantto get off your chest or have?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
a yarn about.
No, not really.
I think we've pretty muchcovered all the world's problems
at the moment but youdefinitely uh, you definitely
calmed down during it.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
You were a bit bit nervous at the beginning there
but um oh, look, I'd, I'd loveto, um, yeah, stay in touch,
mate, and then, yeah, maybe inwho knows, another year or two,
we'll yeah see where you're atand you can come back and
inspire us again.
But, um, like, have you got anyadvice for for tradies out
there that are maybe in a holeor thinking that they can't
achieve their dreams?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
um, obviously discipline's one like I never
had any discipline when I firsthad my first business.
Um, yeah, learn disciplinefirst, and then that'll get you
going, and no matter what youcan always get yourself out of
something, no matter what.
Yeah, always just find theright people, listen to the
right stuff and you'll getyourself out of it, yeah awesome
, awesome, mate.

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