Of Music & Men 35

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On Of Music & Men from The Life N Times Network, Dre and Natheer unpack the week in music and culture, connecting how the internet, the industry, and everyday life shape what we hear. Expect lively debate, clear takeaways, and a few laughs as we give our two cents to the artists with all the change.

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SPEAKER_03 (00:10):
I like to make my own sound effects.

SPEAKER_02 (00:13):
Okay.
Is it cheaper?

SPEAKER_03 (00:16):
Yeah.
A lot of budget.
Sorry for exposing.
Dre, I'll get you when I can getyou, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (00:23):
Uh no problem, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
Just stacking up, man.
Pegan is stacking up.
Drizzy Dre stacking up records.

SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (00:32):
Um, how do you feel about which one with uh central
seat?
That's how you feel.
See, a lot of Americans that's agreat rate, right?

(00:53):
A lot of Americans thought itwas trash.
And you're not the market.
I wanna let you know.
You were not thought of.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
You're not the market.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05):
When he picked the beat, when he picked the
feature, uh, where the fuck he'sat right now.
Like coming out with a UK recordwhile you're in UK, come on,
man.
After this doing three nights ofwireless, that's excellent
business.
Like, that's fantastic business.
People are saying, you know,he's declining.

(01:26):
Do you feel like he's declining,bro?

SPEAKER_02 (01:29):
No, see, this is I think Americans have a very bad
very bad thing where like ifsomething's not for them, then
it's just bad, right?
And they feel rejected rightnow, and since he's not making
music for them anymore, then hemust be washed or he must be
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like I think they just feel alittle left out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51):
Yeah, man.
Nobody says shit to McDonald'swhen you open up a shop in
India.
No, it's good business.
It is let him cook.
So let Drake cook, man.
And that and I bet I I watch TopBoys to get ready for this
episode.

SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
Oh, okay.
Yeah, nah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:11):
But like I've always like, I've always I've compared
him multiple times on here.
I tell you, I think Central C islike the UK's version of Drake
to me.
Like that's who they're pushingto be their Drake kind of in
popularity.

SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
He got swag, he got lyrics, and he's been on these
hooks, and he's been holding hisweight with heavy contenders.
I think Dave is seen as the bestrapper, but he doesn't drop
enough.
I felt similar things withKendrick O'Mar.

(02:49):
Dave, please drop more so thatCentral C, who is Drake in this
situation, doesn't simplyoutwork you.

SPEAKER_02 (02:56):
Mm-hmm.
Because it's it could be healthycompetition.
And I think the positive they'refriends.

SPEAKER_03 (03:02):
They are.
They do music together.

SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
They do business.
So this is like, you know what?
Maybe like the UK show in theway it's like your two, your
most, your, your most talentedand your most popular artists
can collab and do great worktogether.
And they've consistently donegreat work together.

SPEAKER_03 (03:18):
Yeah, I feel like in the UK, like all their issues
because of the the road, themantum.

SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
The mundum.

SPEAKER_03 (03:25):
You know, if you would say that.
The road.
Because of the I don't want anysmoke or any pokes either.
I'm just joking, guys.
You know what I'm saying?
I support y'all.
Unless it was back in the day,1776 5.
That's what we used to be, man.

SPEAKER_01 (03:46):
Yeah.
But we've been better.
We've been chilling now.

SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
Yo, we've been chilling, bro.
Hey, the UK gotta get theirboxes away from Usik, bro.
He's been knocking out all theUK fighters, man.
Something's going on,something's in the T.
Anyway, back to Back to it, bro.
I really think Drake is doingwhat he's supposed to do.
I think he's doing greatbusiness.
He's spreading his network.

(04:11):
He's working with, you know,artists that care and artists
that impact their culture andartists that understand this
business arrangement works.
You know, having Popcan andother Jamaican artists there.
He's gonna go over there.
Like that whole artist set ishis, that's him gathering the

(04:32):
Avengers.
That's who he's gonna be workingwith.
So I think that's the placeshe's gonna target and work with.
There was a crazy beat that wason the second episode Iceman.
I don't know if you heard it,but it just teased the beat,
bro.
And I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 (04:50):
It's fine.

SPEAKER_03 (04:51):
Yeah, it sounded like it's fine, man.
I thought I started rapping.
I might as well, yeah.
I might as well, you know, I wassecluded.
Remember, like so I remember youwere completely okay, okay.
I agree different.

(05:11):
I'm gonna start adding rappers'ad libs to the podcast.
I feel like that helped.

SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
Oh yeah, like uh snippets?

SPEAKER_03 (05:19):
Yeah, bro.
Do you think that uh Drake isstill pushing boundaries?
Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 (05:30):
There we go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
Cool, cool, cool.
Do you think Drake's stillpushing boundaries?

SPEAKER_02 (05:36):
Yeah, I think everything Drake does that is
what people and I don't evenknow why we're still calling it
experimental at this point, butwe've been doing it for a
minute.
It's not an experiment anymore.
It's a it's a proven path thatnets fame, popularity, and
money.
And in that same sense, peopleare mad that he's doing it, but

(05:57):
they also want the ability to dothat.
Say Drake had his beef withKendrick and never had laid the
groundwork internationally thathe's been doing for the past 10
years, he would be, that wouldbe the analogy of Drake because
his US market would be a little,it would have suffered a lot.
But Drake has already laid thegroundwork internationally to
where that shit do not botherhim.

(06:21):
This is an experiment anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (06:24):
Well, Drake has always been bigger than the
market he was initially serving.
And I think uh once he got intoAmerica in the music industry,
he got his stripes, you know.
He learned from his contracts,from his actor contracts and
stuff like that when he's doingmusic contracts, and I think

(06:45):
that's why his deal he got outof a young money cash money
deal.
Like that's some serious magic.
There's a lot of brothers andsisters still within.

SPEAKER_02 (06:57):
Yeah, yeah.
They tried.
They ain't never getting free.

SPEAKER_03 (07:00):
That's like a where's it in get out?

SPEAKER_01 (07:06):
What?
The uh sunken place?

SPEAKER_03 (07:08):
Yeah, the sunken place, bro, where you just take
all your music and soul andjuice.

SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
Hey, just read the contract these days.
I'll tell you what.
How are you feeling about thesealbums in July?
Is the summer hot, bro?
How first of all, how do youfeel about okay, Kylie to create
his albums?

SPEAKER_02 (07:27):
Because I asked people that.
Look, all right, we talked aboutit for the past two weeks.
Already told you what he wasgonna do on his album, and he
did it.
And he did it.
He's a West Coast thug now.
I knew I I knew that was what hewas gonna do.
And it's like, okay, you knowwhat?
Some people didn't want anotherflower boy.
Okay.

(07:48):
Now he's a thug.
Like he's now he's a thug.

SPEAKER_03 (07:52):
What an evolution, huh?

SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Now he's a thug.

unknown (07:58):
What the fuck was this?

SPEAKER_02 (08:00):
Hey, I see people liking it, but I see people
liking this the same way I seepeople liking every Flavor Cardi
album.
Like, it's just the diehard fansare gonna like whatever you
drop.

SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
So all right.
Listen, the beats were hard, thelyrics were weak, the album is
short.

SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
What you gonna do?
I'm not an asshole here, bro.
What you what you what you gonnado about it?

SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
I like push and tea in the video, Milas in there
trying to pray his way throughthis shit, man.
Fucking LeBron's in the video.
Why LeBron in the video, bro?

SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
See, here's the thing.
I didn't even watch the video.

SPEAKER_03 (08:45):
You should have watched the video, bro.
That's how I even heard aboutthe album.
I saw LeBron in the music video.
I was like, what the fuck?
Had to tap in, see what theking's doing.

SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
Yeah, I definitely, yeah.
God keep never bless me withfriends like LeBron.

SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
Bro, I mean, that's not that's not unloyal, it's
just not real.

SPEAKER_02 (09:08):
So yeah, what how many years does it take for it
to be unloyal, bro?
They've been friends for like adecade.

SPEAKER_03 (09:14):
Bro, I'm sorry.
If I know someone for a decade,and I do, I have friends for a
decade.
If they ever did any of thatstuff, it's raps, it meant raps,
and it might be an issue when Isee you.
So, like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (09:30):
Bro, you could have just been betrayed me on week
one.

SPEAKER_03 (09:33):
Can we get year one out?
Let's just get it out the gate.
You know what I'm saying?
That's why I'm a crash out, bro.
I crash out my friends.
Really gotta be my friends.

SPEAKER_02 (09:42):
Yo, what's up?
You could have just been in mylife for a season and then
betrayed me, and I could havejust been like, yo, winter was
cold.
We we up now.

SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
You know what I'm saying?
Alright, you're my you're not mywinter friend.
I can't struggle with you.
All right, cool.

SPEAKER_02 (09:57):
You might see you in this, yeah.
See you in the summer when youknow that's the that's as much
energy you got.
And I understand that.
This is insane.
They probably had birthdayparties with their kids
together.

SPEAKER_03 (10:10):
Bro, he probably know his kid.
That's even more fucked up.
I didn't even think about thatangle.
LeBron actually knows.

SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Yeah, they've been Drake, you know, Drake with the
games, even with like, goodshot, Uncle Bron.

SPEAKER_03 (10:28):
Yo, bro, nigga hold my kids up and do some shit like
that.

SPEAKER_02 (10:32):
Imagine having to tell your kids that you can't
call him Uncle Braun no more.

SPEAKER_03 (10:36):
No, yeah, you know, Uncle.

SPEAKER_02 (10:39):
That's a shame.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
LeBron, what's his last name?
LeBron James, how you doing,man?

SPEAKER_02 (10:46):
Mr.
James.

SPEAKER_03 (10:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:49):
But as far yeah, as far as Tyler's Tyler's album, it
wasn't to me, it wasn't bad.

unknown (10:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:56):
Because he's not a bad artist.
But if we're gonna compare it tohis other works, this is not
getting replayed.

SPEAKER_03 (11:07):
Yeah, and that's the problem.
Listen, he GNX'd himself.

SPEAKER_01 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:14):
We're on a wave, there's money to be made, hop on
this wave, man.

SPEAKER_02 (11:20):
And you know what?
I can't ever be too mad.
Because you know what?
Get it back.

SPEAKER_03 (11:26):
Can't be mad at business, but I can't.

SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
Get it back.
I'm not like he's not a selloutor anything.
Like, I could be disappointed.
I'm not mad.
I can be disappointed.
But I'm gonna be honest withyou, out of July, right?
If we talk about everything thatcame out this month, because it
was a lot that came out thismonth.
Yeah you know, Ace Ace Hood evenAce Hood even hopped out the
woodworks.

SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
Shit, I didn't listen to that.
How wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 (11:49):
It was alright.
It was alright.
Ace Hood's not a bad, I don'tknow what happened.
Ace Hood's not a bad artist.
I think it's a marketing thing.
Maybe he got in in bed with hishis label and some deals, and
they just you know blacklistedhim.

SPEAKER_03 (12:00):
You know, some uh fact is they like Ace Hood got
fucked in his deal, bro.
They they fucked him.
Because he he was on fire.

SPEAKER_02 (12:09):
He was on fire, he just disappeared.
You know what it is?
I think people get on fire.
And I think there's the issue.
I think when you're unknown andnot popular, you sign a deal
that's more advantages to thelabel than you.
That's fine.
And usually you work that out,and then at the end of that
deal, you renew.
When you blow up early in yourdeal, you feel like you should
be getting more than youinitially signed on.

(12:29):
And I understand that, butsometimes you wouldn't even have
been in that position withoutthat deal.
Sometimes people just gotta waitthey deal out.
Sometimes that's yeah, but onceagain, you gotta be like Drake
and read the fan print.
But that wasn't even the best.
I think the best thing I'veheard coming out wasn't even an
owl.

SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
What was it?

SPEAKER_02 (12:47):
It was a single SOS by Lupe Fiasco.

SPEAKER_03 (12:52):
Lupe's one of them was.

SPEAKER_02 (12:54):
And I listened to that and I was like, first of
all, it gave me very much MacMiller Bab, which is weird to
say because Lupe was out beforehim, and I never really made
that connection.
But I was like, I went and I waslistening to it and I'm
listening to some of his othermusic, and I was like, out of
all the artists, like Mac wasprobably like to me like the
best successor of Lupe's type ofmusic.
And I was like, I need to godive back into that.

(13:17):
You ain't got Mac no more, butLupe still drops and he still
makes music, and it's still thatvibe and that talent that he had
in 2007, 2009, 11.
And that was probably the bestsong I've heard this whole
month.
Out of everything that droppedthis month, I was like, this is
this good hip hop.

SPEAKER_03 (13:34):
The Freddie Gibbs album was probably the best
thing that came out this month.

SPEAKER_00 (13:37):
Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_03 (13:38):
It's the Clips album.
Just bar.
Just bar is in great production.
Like, that's all you really needis to see.
Not everybody has it.
Um, the YB.

SPEAKER_02 (13:48):
I mean the Alchemist was on there, so you know, yeah.
Chopping it up.

SPEAKER_03 (13:55):
Chopping it up, bro.

SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
Chopping it up.

SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
Like fine China.
I do think I think uh me andYoungboy probably to other
people is the best album.

SPEAKER_02 (14:07):
But for me, it's not for me.
Did any have what, 30 songs onthere or something like that?
Yeah, bro, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (14:15):
Yeah, 30 on there.
And I'm not when I go into a YBalbum, I don't need 30.
So, and I'm I'm just beingrespectful.
It just the vibe he brings.
I can't take 30 songs of that.

SPEAKER_02 (14:28):
Bro, you gotta listen to his music with a
clenched fist staring in thestaring out the window, angry.

SPEAKER_03 (14:37):
And not a deep but with a fucking wave cap on, dog.
Like that's that's what itreally is.

SPEAKER_02 (14:42):
Yeah, and I I can't, but I mean I listened to it.
I wasn't I wasn't happy.
I listened to it.
I listen, I I think every otheralbum we listened to, like I
played through, that I put it onstart and listen through, I saw
his list and I put it onshuffle.

SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
Yeah, I was like, no, we're gonna just it's not
even cohesive.
If I was I that's why I saidwe're gonna put it on shuffle.
Like I we we listened to FreddieGibbs, and he had a theme to his
stuff, which I was trying tofigure out like was it Asian or
Hispanic?
Like some of it was Asianthemed, some of it was like he's
Hispanic food.
I was like, I don't know whatwe're doing.
But it was cohesive.
Like he listened to it the endof one song was leaving the

(15:17):
beginning or the other.
You gotta play that fruit.
That's a project.
Put Youngboy stuff on shuffle.
I was like, it doesn't matterwhich order I listen to this,
it's gonna be hectic regardless.

SPEAKER_03 (15:29):
Yeah, I feel the same.
I feel the same, bro.
I mean, it's just not my cup oftea.
Larry June's album was reallygood.
It came out in July, like July,early.

SPEAKER_02 (15:41):
Early.

SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
But the words on there wasn't that good to me.
And yeah, I don't really ratelike a dude going in his 30s,
going to go grab his hood cart.

SPEAKER_02 (15:57):
Like, what I just for for an artist like him, you
would think you would want tomake music that 10 years later
people won't listen to.
And that's not this.

SPEAKER_03 (16:07):
Yeah, this is gonna be skipped over his entire
discography.
There might be songs, bro.
It might be songs, I don't know.
Like, motherfuckers vibe with itway more than me, right?
I I'm not gonna discount it.
It might just not be for me.

SPEAKER_01 (16:22):
But you know what?

SPEAKER_03 (16:23):
Uh I don't I think in his discography it rents
pretty low.

SPEAKER_02 (16:27):
I take that back.
I take that back.
I think my problem with this andmy problem with GNX.
Because Drake could do somethinglike this, and Cole could do
something like this, and Iwouldn't be mad.
And do you know why?
Kendrick and Tyler don't dropenough music consistently for
them to have a wasted album.

(16:48):
That's my issue.
You don't drop enough for me tobe like, oh, thanks for this
summer.
I know next year or in sixmonths, we're gonna get
something that's gonna havelongevity.
You don't drop enough for this.
Tyler, you might not drop foranother three years, and you're
leaving us with this.
Kendrick, you could go fouryears and not drop another
album.
You left us with this.
That's not okay.

SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
I don't think I think Kendrick's top lot is
gonna be short.
I think he needs to dropsomething within two years.
I'd I say he should drop rightafter Drake if he really wants
to capitalize.
I don't think Kendrick is awayfrom Drake's his bag, he should
stay right next to him.
Just stay right next wholecareer.
You might as well, right?
Like, push the team just dissedDrake.
He's like, fuck it, bro.

(17:27):
Come on.
This is what I do.
This is what people think.
When I start rapping, they knowI'm gonna diss Drake and I'm
gonna sell some coke.
That's all I'm doing.
Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, uh, pushers are goodlyrics.
I'm gonna listen.
Yeah, no, it was a good album.
But yeah, I think I think thatis my problem.
It's not necessarily thecontent, but it's the subtle
thought that like we're notgonna get better content for a
minute.

SPEAKER_03 (17:51):
Bro, you got buyers remorse.
You know what's gonna happenafter you got it.
But I just got this fucking TV,it is gonna not turn on for four
more years.

SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:02):
That's what being an artist fan is.
Like, like, people really followtheir artists, right?
You're their TV.
If you turn on only every threeyears, you think I'm gonna stay
in front of you?

SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
Or I better, it better be a fire TV show that
I'll turn on.
And that's why Drake can neverget consistency, it is key.
It doesn't matter.
Drake's gonna give your fanswhat they want.
Sometimes stuff they don't want,but it don't matter because they
know maybe this season was bad.
The next season's coming ineight months.
I'll be okay.

SPEAKER_03 (18:31):
Good.
They just gave up a bunch ofmaterial.
So he doesn't have to grow up.
You know, people telling me tolike tell Grace uh Drake to grow
up.
I'm like, he's never gonna growup.
Okay?
It's not happening.
Maybe when Adonis is like 20,bro, but before then, he's gonna
be wilding and he's gonna tellus about it.

SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
And and it's okay because he said that as his
character.

SPEAKER_03 (18:58):
And I never, yo, when the battle's going on,
Kitchen was like, hey, he's abad person.
I'm like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (19:05):
I know that.

SPEAKER_03 (19:07):
I thought so.

SPEAKER_02 (19:10):
I I know that.
I do not look for Drake formorality cues.

SPEAKER_03 (19:14):
Like, I'm not looking to Drake before I go to
church.
What the so fun, man?

SPEAKER_02 (19:21):
I knew bro, was a problem.

SPEAKER_03 (19:27):
I mean, I mean, there is now, but like Christian
rap is cool.

SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
I like how LeCrae just made a song.
I need to listen to that.
Yeah.
You gotta tap into that, man.
You gotta Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (19:49):
I want people to stop complaining about fast food
hip hop or songs.

SPEAKER_00 (19:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
July 2025, Freddie Gibbs dropped, Larry Drew
dropped, Tyler dropped.
There's a lot of artists thataren't fast food rappers
dropping.
Go focus on them.
We gotta stop complaining aboutthe market, bro.
You're getting fed.
You just gotta you gotta pickwhat you're eating.

(20:18):
Because I I keep hearing peoplecomplain about like, oh, there's
nothing to listen to.
There's no, there's plenty ofartists.
You just don't listen to them.

SPEAKER_02 (20:26):
There's plenty of artists, and even though it is
more difficult to shop for them,right?
They're not getting played onthe radio.
That's on you.
You gotta take someresponsibility and
accountability for what youconsume as your media, right?
If you only listen to the radioand you're like, oh, these are
only the artists coming out withmusic.
No, you got Spotify, get off.

(20:46):
Get on Spotify and actually golook through this stuff.
Your stuff is curated for whatyou like.
You can't complain to otherpeople because you like that
trash stuff that you're feedingyourself.

SPEAKER_03 (20:56):
Listen, when hip-hop started, to get samples, you had
to go to the crates and then youhad to go to the DJ set and
scratch them.
To find music, you gotta do thesame fucking thing.
So don't be lazy because that'sthe genesis of how we got here.
How do you feel about themysterious rapper, like a

(21:17):
Playboy Cardi?
He's like Batman.
He's in and out of the publiceye, he's in and out, he's doing
stuff, he's wearing uh do-regs.

SPEAKER_02 (21:34):
I I think it's I think it's fine.
I think it I think it determineshow much money you want to make.
Okay, so there's pros and cons.
And I know this we we talkedabout streaming the other week,
so it's streams, and what theyhave shown is the best
successive form of media, it'sbasically how parasocial you can

(21:57):
make your fans.
So if you want to be elusive andmysterious and you know not let
people really know the end andelse here, like that's fine, and
there is a fan base that's gonnago, like they like a mystery.
But if you want a bag, you gottamake these people think that
their opinion matters to yourlife.
They have to know everythingyou're doing.
And I think there's artists likethat, like I think Kanye is like

(22:18):
that.
Kanye loves people to know whathe's doing, like that's the
intention.
People be in there, and thatfeeds that feeds his fans, and
they feel connected to that'swhy like the cult followings
like that, like they feel veryconnected to him, like they feel
like they know who he is as aperson.
That's done on purpose.

SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Yeah, no, I I agree with that.
How do you feel like the modernartist?
And we never talked to talkedabout this like at length.
I really want to know how youfeel about this.
What is respectable in theculture to start from?
This is post the Drake andKendrick War.

(22:59):
Do you have to be from Compton?
Can you come from middle classhouse?
Where is the middle?
Can you be lower class with bothyour parents?
Make sure you stayed out of it.
Can you be upper middle classand work in construction?
Blue collar.
I'm trying to fill out figureout what existence is the best
possible for people tounderstand that the black is not

(23:23):
monolithic.

SPEAKER_02 (23:24):
I think your starting point.
I think it is important.
It doesn't have to be the endall, be all, because your life
can change once you get intoyour startle.
But I think your starting pointheavily determines your the
audience that you're allowed toin the beginning uh make music

(23:47):
for.
Um which sadly we're notmonolithic, but there is a large
majority of us that are stilldealing with poverty scenarios,
right?
And so that is going to be thepigeonhole that a lot of people
expect a lot of artists to comefrom.
Uh but that doesn't have to bewhere you stay.
But yes, I mean, I personallyhave a problem.
Like if you're not from the hoodor you didn't have a problem,
that is fine.

(24:09):
Don't go making real drugdealing music, right?
Go tell stories, go do lyrics,go write up on a filling, right?
You can do that, right?
I think there's a I love that,right?
I love that place in hip-hop.
We need more people like that.
But you can't go and jump intothat.
You haven't experienced that.
You can tell other people'sstories of the hood if you want,

(24:30):
people who weren't able to telltheir own stories.
That's great, but don't push itoff like it's your own if that
was it.
And I think that's a lot ofother people's problem too.
I think that's an issue a lot ofpeople had with Drake.
And I'm sure as Drake got into,and that's what I mean.
Like you can transition, asDrake got into being famous,
Drake's run into situations withpeople that he hadn't run into

(24:51):
before he was famous.
Yeah, you can talk about someonetrying to rob your chain or
stick you up with a gun, or youknow, some of these rappers had
bad interactions with Diddy'sand Diddy in a club, right?
Like, y'all can rap about thatstuff.
Y'all never had club beefbefore.
Now y'all got club beef, and nowy'all haven't, you know, like
you can rap about that now.
In the beginning, I can see whypeople had an issue with Drake.

(25:12):
Like, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (25:13):
But that's the same thing with that situation.
Drake didn't start rapping toughuntil he got in a tough
situation.

SPEAKER_02 (25:20):
You're right, because remember, we talked
about this.
Drake's role in rap originallywas to be the dude that gave you
the hooks for the hard rappers.

SPEAKER_03 (25:28):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (25:29):
That was it.

SPEAKER_03 (25:29):
I ain't worked this hard since I was 18.

SPEAKER_02 (25:34):
And then people started, but and I'm not gonna
say he didn't want to be inthose situations either, right?
Because it gave him credit andstuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
Put up himself in those situations, and even he's
not dumb.
Like, average smart person, oncethey understand the scenario
they're in, they know how toadvance in these crowds.
And people can say this or that,but nobody has ever put hands or
feet on Drake on camera.
And everybody that anybody whodid behind the scenes, something

(26:05):
happened in them too, right?

SPEAKER_01 (26:06):
So like Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (26:09):
So I mean Drake is as soft as people want him to be
anymore, and he became less softbecause of the life experience.

SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You can toughen up through aftergetting rich.
A lot of people get soft afterthey get rich.
Drake was like, nah, I want tobe around these people, these
scenarios.
There are things that happenaround these people in
scenarios, and he wisened up tothem.

SPEAKER_03 (26:33):
I genuinely, yes, I don't that's a crazy choice to
make, though.
Like, if you're a regularperson, right?
And I and you know, there'scaveats.
Like, Drake's gonna have to dealwith like real shit all his life
now, right?
So if you don't want to have todeal with that, guys, just pick
the civilian route.

SPEAKER_02 (26:50):
Like, Drake has even the people he keeps around him
to protect him, like you say,like Drake, nobody's putting
hands on Drake on camera.
Drake pays certain people tokeep him safe.
Due to that, though, Drake haspeople around him who know
certain things about him whohave been privy to certain
private conversations.
For the rest of Drake's life,Drake gonna have to be paying

(27:11):
these people because he openedthat door.

SPEAKER_03 (27:15):
Hey, I mean, Jay-Z still playing somebody from his
block to like it don't stop.
Like, all these dudes got likecrazy ass trauma circles, too.
I oh yeah, I don't even thinkabout that.
Trauma tribes, man.
It's crazy.
Uh so who had the best verse of2025 July?

(27:41):
I gotta say, putcha tea, so beit.
I don't know why you went sohard lyrically against somebody
who's not lyrical that way.
That was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (27:51):
You said best verse, and the only thing I can think
of was and it's because I'vebeen uh I've been on the uh be
on the internet too much.

SPEAKER_01 (28:03):
You know who Zeddy Will is.

SPEAKER_03 (28:05):
I know who you're talking about.
That's a New York dude, right?

SPEAKER_02 (28:08):
I don't know if he's from New York, but yeah, this
trend that's been on theinternet consecutively.
I just keep thinking of hislyric.
It's because it's funny.
And it's not even the it's noteven the you're really good at
head, I don't want your throat.
It's the what he say, he said,you not big back.
I caught you heavy fat.
I've been laughing at that lyricfor two weeks.

SPEAKER_03 (28:31):
Yo, I mean, he's in that lane and the same thing was
doing that shit.
He's like, come on, like, likejoking.

SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Yeah.
I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 (28:40):
It's come from the uh the threat of, you know,
who's that dude?
He passed to not heavy, notheavy D, but he came off around
that area.
Okay I'm gonna have to look itup.
It's an old school rapper.
He like he was starting thatfunny shit in the rap parts like
early.

SPEAKER_02 (28:58):
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:59):
Like I'm just saying it's a treat.

SPEAKER_02 (29:01):
Rap really We don't get that lane a lot.
I mean, I'm and I and as I likelistening to lyrics that like
you can laugh.
Like it doesn't have to be sad,it doesn't have to be it's like
yo, bro, just said some funnyshit, just keeps losing.

SPEAKER_03 (29:12):
There's some funny artists too.
Like, Lil Dicky was really funnywhen I first started.

SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
I'm so upset that he stopped making music.
I mean, uh, his films are great,his TV shows are good, he does
other stuff, but he switched tothat lane.
But that was a breath of freshair.

SPEAKER_03 (29:29):
Yeah.
Because hip hop is entirely tooserious.

SPEAKER_02 (29:34):
Entirely.
And we talked, I just talkedabout like depending where where
you go after you start, you canchange, but depending where you
came from, you have to have acertain audience.
Bro didn't fake it.
He's like, dude, this Jewish guyfrom I don't know if he was from
New Jersey or something likethat, or even Philly, maybe.
I think he maybe was fromoutside of Philly.
But he's like, look, I wrotecomedy, but I want to rap and

(29:56):
write some funny shit.
I'm gonna find fans or I'm gonnanot like accept.
Where you're from and then movefrom there.

SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
Yeah.
You know, people gotta have awider market, you know?
It's crazy.
Like, who you know isn'tnecessarily who's gonna help
you.
And I've learned that with thepodcast, bro.
Like, I can see all the areas inwhich people are like listening
at, and there's people I met onetime in LA that consistently
watch.
There's people I know passingconsistently, and then there's

(30:26):
people I know forever in Philly,but it doesn't reflect those
numbers.

SPEAKER_02 (30:30):
The numbers, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
I'm like, oh okay, so it's alright, but like don't
go looking for something you canprovide yourself.
All creators should think likethat because there's a market,
everybody's sampling fromsomewhere, everybody's listening
to something in the same vein.
You're gonna find your market.
You just can't stop putting outproduct.

(30:52):
You won't know unless you're I'mtelling you, numbers, quantity
solves everything.
It really does.
I mean, sales, volume reallylike changes.

SPEAKER_02 (31:03):
You throw enough out, someone will pick it up.

SPEAKER_03 (31:05):
Someone's gonna pick it up, man.

SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Someone else, yeah.
100%.
If if if you think your market'snot out there, your market just
might be looking for stuff thatno one else is putting out right
now, right?
It's gonna be hard to find, butyou like you said, you gotta
keep dropping, you gotta keepputting stuff out.
And then once they hear it,they're gonna be like, oh, this
is the go-to guy for this sound.
We're gonna spread the word.

(31:29):
Like it's it the drill shit'soversaturated.
Please give other.

SPEAKER_03 (31:34):
Oh what about the little young bull that looks
like uh Riley?
You see him?

SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (31:42):
It's a young bull that looks like Riley that's
from the rat.

SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:47):
Got a song right now, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (31:48):
Oh okay.
I'm gonna have to listen tothat.
Is this it's funny?
I like that.

SPEAKER_03 (31:56):
He's like, he has like a positive spirit.

SPEAKER_01 (31:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
I don't know what's going on with the subject
matter.
He's young, so he can evolve.
Like, I don't I don't like to betoo harsh on it.
He's 17 years old.
You figure it's like well, butyeah.
Here's another question, bro.
Is American hip hop like we seeDrake, he's in the fucking fuck
this market.
Right?

(32:22):
Is American hip-hop like needed?
Like, do artists need to serveAmerica anymore?
And is American hip-hop startingto have to compete with global
hip-hop?
Kind of like how the NBA, youknow, how we used to have all
American talent and now theglobal numbers are rising.
I mean, we got Nikola Jokic, wegot Giannis, we got SGA, we we

(32:44):
got a lot of players that arenow playing generational talent
and they're coming over.
I mean, look at Winby.
And he's from Perry.

SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
I think yes, the American market is still leading
and will for a while, but Ithink it would be ignorant to
ignore the rise of othermarkets.
And I'm glad you pointed out theNBA.
So, in that same sense, right?
Like you said, every talent camefrom America for a while.
And now we're cherry-picking thebest talent from other

(33:19):
countries.
But if the NBA disappeared todayand no American players could
play in the NBA anymore,basketball would never be the
same.
It wouldn't even look, itwouldn't even look as good,
right?
Because we've brought the flair,the type of entertainment, no
big church, the rules and theway the game is played today.
That's American hip-hop, right?

(33:39):
Other people get affluence andthey take parts and they make
their own.
And we're like, oh, that soundsgood.
We're glad you're contributing.
But at the end of the day, allthese people that are rapping
now have been influenced byAmerica.
And they're like, oh, myfavorite artist is this, this.
I want to rap like this andthis.
And these are all American,typically American rappers or
people who are influenced byAmerican rappers.
And if American rap disappearedtoday, those markets would not

(34:02):
be able to fill the gap of thecreate, I would say like the
creative gene that comes fromliving in America, right?
That comes from the scenariosthat made hip-hop and rap, which
today is still black Americanpeople, right?
We are still the primary primarycreators of shaping what hip hop

(34:28):
is and what should be theculture for good and worse.
I mean, once again, I'm nevergonna miss an opportunity to uh
uh shit on sexy red.
But great music, wish it wasnever made.
But it but that's the point.
Like it doesn't for good and forbad, we are still gonna be the

(34:50):
ones to make, and then otherpeople are gonna follow, right?
Even for Drake, and everyone'slike, oh, he's not even he's
Canadian, whatever.
Good or bad, Drake has taken allthose American influences in
hip-hop and made his own stuff,but it is still very American at
the end of the day, and we havebeen his biggest market for the
longest time.
I mean, like the Wayne influenceon everyone who's in a hip hop

(35:12):
right now, right?
Like it can't be ignored.
So unless there is a pocketsomewhere, and I think the only
place this could probably happenis maybe the UK, but unless
there's a pocket somewhereoutside of the US where there is
just so much going on that acompletely diverse sound comes
out of it that could replacewhat hip hop gives people, no,

(35:35):
they still need America to makeit.

SPEAKER_03 (35:40):
Just to piggyback off of what you were saying, I
do think UK has the mostpotential to mirror America.
There's a lot of shit going on,like a lot of shit going on in
the UK, and it's untold storiestoo, like the static, all the
shit that's going on.
Like, it's a little different togo from shooting someone, which
is happening right now allaround America, to stabbing
someone to death.

(36:01):
So there's a amount of crueltyand energy that they survive
that they're gonna have in theirmusic.
I do think they can their ownecosystem.

SPEAKER_02 (36:11):
Like for good, and then people are like, oh,
shootings are worse.
For good and for bad, theirsituation is different, right?
It it takes a lot more to walkup to somebody, like, and that's
the thing.
Like, I think policy and yourenvironment, you know, that
influences these people, theyfor a while they didn't have
guns.
So you have to walk up and stabsomeone to death.
It is way more serious.

(36:31):
I think people will be just, Ihate you, I'm just go, I'm not
gonna fight you, I'll just goshoot you in a crowd or whatever
like that.
Like, that's pussy.
But for someone, like the kindof basic the energy, the
violence needed for people to bestabbed at each other to death,
but also the survival rate'shigher.
So the stories that come out ofsomeone who had to go through
the pain of you know, a robberyor being betrayed, and they say,
Oh, my man's gonna shoot me, myman stabbed me.

(36:52):
I left him dead in his eyes andhe stabbed me and I lived.
Now I gotta rap about this.
That is a different level ofgrief and trauma.
And it's sad to say that all ofour top stories, our artists,
all of this come directly fromjust like the most traumatic
environments.
But yes, if anything was goingto replace American hip-hop, it
would come from the UK.

SPEAKER_03 (37:13):
How do you feel podcasts have like changed the
game in hip-hop?
I mean, I feel like that shit islike pure narrative.
Like, you know, if you look atall the big boys, Joe Button,
The Breakfast Club, Mall, 85South, the major podcast, those

(37:35):
Apple Podcasts for the Deska,Ebro, and like it's an
ecosystem.
Uh what is it, Big BoysNeighborhood, DJ Head.
I'm just talking about all thefigureheads.

SPEAKER_02 (37:47):
All the the big ones, the big ones.

SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
They they run and shape the narratives of
whatever's going on.
They push whatever music isgoing on, and they're black, so
they matter a lot more.
We don't care, honestly, aboutthe other groups.
That's still, I mean, they'redoing their jobs, they're
they're influencing and they'redoing business, but like
culturally, their impact is waylarger.

SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
See, my only difference on that is, and it
just can't, well, he I would sayhe at least used to.
And I didn't always stop it,like very, very infrequently.
But like, I would say like Adam22 honestly got a lot more
traction than some of thosethose other ones.
But it was also, huh?

SPEAKER_03 (38:31):
I don't want to bring him up.
This energy and what he began,it's just but that's but that's
that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 (38:35):
He he shot he destroyed that for himself.
First of all, it's not easy fora white person to get in and
even have an influence or to betold that they matter, but bro's
just bro's a snake.
But that's not but that's theother thing.
We are quick to judge whitepeople who are invited in, and
the black people who are in whoalso similarly aren't

(38:58):
necessarily great for theculture, but a lot of those
figures you talked about, likethey transition from radio, now
they're doing podcasts.
The ones I generally really payattention to are some of the
people who, you know, good orbad, Joe Biden was at least in
the industry.
So, you know, a lot of peopleput more weight to his stuff,

(39:18):
but I think they're still veryinfluential.
I just it is very favor bigfavor-based, and like you said,
it's narrative.
Uh and they have a big influenceand they're important, but it's
hard to see the truth in a lotof the stuff that they say
because like I said, it's superfavor-based, and you know, they

(39:39):
have to play nice, they gottaget these guests, they gotta do
a lot of stuff.
Uh, I think I respect Joe Buddenfor at least the open honesty of
how much he hates Drake.
So when he gives takes forcertain artists, I can at least
feel like we're getting thetruth here.
Yeah, they're they'redefinitely, I think podcasting

(40:00):
has replaced radios as far asinfluence over people get their
news and their opinions onartists and music.

SPEAKER_03 (40:09):
Yeah, most definitely.
I think podcasting is like themost synonymous thing.
I just watched Happy Gilmore andthey got podcasters, the new
one, Happy Gilmore too.
Two podcasters on the fuckingthing with the news.
Like, there's the news person,here's a podcaster, they had Cam
and Mace.
I forgot to mention Cam andMace.
Their opinion matters, theculture as well.

(40:31):
Absolutely about like culturebecause like it's us who run it
at the end of the day.
We make what's cool, cool withlame lame.
So, oh, we gotta talk about uhthere's there's a there's a lot
of podcasts that actually affectaffect the space.
If I didn't mention them, Iapologize.
Earn your leisure as well.
Absolutely, absolutely that's awhole different like I would

(40:53):
love to uh earn your leisure,bro.

SPEAKER_02 (40:56):
But I don't think people ever get out of this
third first off, I don't thinkearn your leisure.
I see earn your leisure, becausethat's what I was talking about,
narrative and kind of likepicking a side.
I see earn your leisure aspeople who would pick a side,
even though they're you knowthey talk about mostly it,
they're just there for thebusiness, which is good, and
usually you should leave youremotion out of it.

(41:17):
I think they pick the Kendrickside, and I don't even think
they would do an interview withDrake.

SPEAKER_03 (41:21):
Oh, I mean, who gives a fuck?
I don't like when people like,all right, they're business
people, but they got somepersonal shit.
Like, come on.
So, like, and I'm just talkingabout larger business.
Right from a business aspect.

SPEAKER_02 (41:36):
It would be great if they could get together, but I
don't think they would becauseof the n because of the
narrative.
I think they want to.

SPEAKER_03 (41:43):
I I I I literally only watch their finance shit,
bro.
I'd never seen them really talkon anything.

SPEAKER_02 (41:49):
So they they have a separate, they made a separate
podcast where they do like talkabout personal things.
Yeah, and I just get the feelingthat I don't think they would
get Drake Romer.
But it would be great,especially for their InvestFest
that they do down in I thinkAtlanta and stuff like that.
Like that would be crazy to haveDrake on there.
But no, I don't think uh I don'tthink they would uh I'd see them

(42:11):
getting some like 50 centthough.
That'd be fire.

SPEAKER_03 (42:14):
Yeah.
Well 50's cool too.
50, like I like how he doesbusiness.
Like I I study a lot of 50 Cent.
He's real part is how he doesit.
He said he says a lot withoutsaying much.
Like you can watch a 50 Centinterview a couple times.

SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
There's a lot of incidents.
I like I like how 50 doesbusiness while keeping his
personality, right?
He didn't have to whitewash hispersonality to be a successful
business person.

SPEAKER_03 (42:42):
No, he didn't have to culturally acquiesce at all.
I think 50 is 50, wherever realmhe's in.
He's the same person.
Dealing with skin shifters,dealing with the skinwalkers,
skinwalkers and gremlins,speaking of DJ academics and uh

(43:03):
Rock H and uh uh I guess they'regoing to court, bro.
How you feel bad?

SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
Is he sure he wants to take that battle?

SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
Bro, I don't know.
Are you Ross battery in his backor something?
They're about to find all typesof police on AK, bro.

SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
Bro's gonna end up in jail.
Bro's gonna he's gonna he'sgoing to end up in jail.
First off, because Aka's anidiot.
And he gets himself in asituation and place, he really
let the money get way over hishead, and he gets into
situations and places that hejust should not be in.

(43:46):
If he could just focus on thebread, he actually would have
been way more successful.
But his ego fucked him.

SPEAKER_03 (43:51):
Money can't unlay you, and it also simplifies all
your bad traits, right?
If you are a bad man and youhave money, you're gonna do bad
things at a greater scale.
If you are a good man,absolutely great things at a
good greater scale.
I think uh DJ Academics was notthe guy who was achieving until

(44:12):
he started achieving, right?
So now all the things he's doingnow is trying to get shit back.
Oh old L's he lost when he was20s, teens, or whatever.
He's getting caught up in the heprobably got bullied, now he can
be a bully.

SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
So I mean, that shows in his behavior.

SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
It shows in his behavior.
So like I think the situationwith Rock Nation is gonna play
itself out.
I think Act does have goodrepresentation.
I think AC he's I you said hewas dumb.
I think he's very intelligent.
I think he's very intelligent.
I think he wouldn't be wherehe's at if he wasn't.
I think he has the right team ifhe's not intelligent.

SPEAKER_02 (44:51):
So I got my challenge to that.
You know about that situationwhere he was in that chat room
with like that 14-year-old,13-year-old boy?

SPEAKER_03 (44:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (45:00):
Yeah.
Is that no?

SPEAKER_03 (45:03):
That's that's him being dumb, right?
So the situations like that,it's like alcoholism, bro.
Like, that's just straight up.
He has a problem.
Like, if he could control hisissues, he can really scale his
business and just be a rebelnews source, right?
But he's caught up in the likehip-hop is a cafeteria.

(45:24):
And it's just a full of peopletrying to be cool, people in the
corner, girls over there, thisand that.
Oh, that guy wants to talk tothe girl.
Oh, these guys are fine.
Oh, like it literally reminds mewhen I was going to an inner
city high school, like how hiphop is.
Nobody is really who they saythey are, and everybody's

(45:44):
performing.
So I think he just got himselfin this shit now.
And hopefully he's not in toodeep, but that's what I mean.
Rock nation is not a joke, bro.

SPEAKER_02 (45:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're like, I mean, hegot a good team to represent
him.
I'm like, oh, but that RockNation back.

SPEAKER_03 (46:02):
Yeah, I mean, listen, it's really whatever
they're citing him on, it's notcriminal.
So he's not gonna do what he'ssaying.

SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
They'll probably put some sanctions on this dude.
Like, he can't bring up theirname, he can't do this,
whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (46:19):
If he loses, which is insane that that's even
crazy.
Outside of defamation, I don'tsee how you can like I can't
report on your name, I'm gonnareport it.
But you know, we're still gonnado whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (46:31):
I mean, big bank take little bank, bro.
They're gonna silence the fuckout of a little guy.

SPEAKER_02 (46:35):
I hope I never make the Have we heard any update on
Drizzy, Drizzy Drake in hiscase?

SPEAKER_03 (46:42):
We're waiting.

SPEAKER_02 (46:43):
Waiting.

SPEAKER_03 (46:44):
The judge gotta decide to dismiss it or not.
I'm pretty sure it's not gonnaget dismissed.
They use like the same thing uhKendrick used for the cover of
not like us for the Democrats.
I think the Democrats just didit with the White House.
They put a bunch of childoffenders, the same dots, and
stuff like that.
So like I think it's prettysynonymous that this is used to

(47:06):
uh disparage one's character.

SPEAKER_00 (47:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (47:10):
Oh, one of the dudes who's supposed to be getting
served in this shit, he's beenlike ducking and dodging that
shit too.
One of the podcasts that wasclaimed in this shit just
admitted to Payola.
So we're about to see how that'sgonna affect it.
Yeah, bro.
I think his case has merit.
I think if it goes to trial, Uof G's fuck.

(47:33):
Because now you gotta convince aregular person that you wasn't
trying to fuck him who you were.
Like, I'm just a regular guy.
I don't have I'm not making anymoney from you, U of G.
This is wrong.
No it's not.
So you think they'll settlebefore it gets that far?

(47:53):
I think it's gonna settle.
I think I also heard about this.
So there's some shit going onwith UMG where there's about to
be a new leader, and there's twopeople buying for the position.
And that person who's doing thepolar opposite of the other guy
is more steadfast, more back tosafe play, he's doing this thing
with Kendrick, trying to use himto topple Dre to get the net.

(48:16):
But I don't think it was gonnawork business wise.
This wasn't a business decision.
I think all parties who madethis decision, no matter what
they tell themselves, at the endof the day, this was not a
business decision going intopersonal.
It's just personal.
This is make sure you know yourplace.
And I think that's really whatit was.

(48:36):
I cannot believe you just askedme for more money.
You should know your place, andyou should let me pimp you out
some more years.
I'm gonna get someone that lookslike you, but darker in a
tougher background to bully you.
And I think that's whathappened.

(48:57):
I think that's what Jon B did.
And Kendrick obviously neverliked Drake.
He never respected his risebecause he didn't come from the
hood.

SPEAKER_02 (49:07):
That's what it's so crazy they're using Kendrick for
that stance because Kendrick,you were the non-hood guy in the
hood.

SPEAKER_03 (49:15):
And that's the crazy thing.
Like, his whole thing, if wetake it to heart, is that we're
supposed to heal and there is nomore hood.
Like, there is no moretrauma-ridden community.
We're just chilling, which Drakecame from.
Sorry, he was just chilling as akid.
I mean, I honestly wasn't.
He had to go to Memphis, he hadto deal with different cultures.

SPEAKER_02 (49:37):
We don't even act like Drake never stepped foot in
America until he became arapper.
Like, he literally act like hisdad is not a very good thing.

SPEAKER_03 (49:45):
What he did when he was a kid, and he probably won't
tell us because we won't believeit.
He probably had to fightsomebody because he was
light-skinned.
I saw a lot of light-skinneddudes fight a lot when I was
growing up.
I'm like, dang, why he did thatto light-skinned?

SPEAKER_02 (49:57):
Like bros, the Canadian who went to Memphis to
be with his dad and got bulliedin a neighborhood.
Literally could have been thevillain origin story, and we
won't know because he's like,yo, that I'm bigger than I'm
bigger than those circumstances,and it's not important.
Rich now.

SPEAKER_03 (50:12):
You know what's crazy?
He also worked his way out ofthose positions.
You know?

SPEAKER_02 (50:18):
Like he got to the sky.
No, they say he only got itbecause he was light skinned.

SPEAKER_03 (50:22):
Right.
He only got the acting positionbecause he was light skinned.
And he didn't when he learned toline is because he just was
smart.

SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
I don't know.
Which is crazy because he wasn'teven in.
Like I didn't watch the graphic.
But correct me if wrong, browasn't even in a lead.
Like he wasn't even the lead inthe show.

SPEAKER_03 (50:38):
He had like he had his moments, but he wasn't the
lead.

SPEAKER_02 (50:41):
So he took a lower position, navigated it, career
hopped.
Out career hopped out of the endgame career.
Actually, I tell people, nomatter where you are in
entertainment, eventuallyeveryone ends up becoming an
actor.
Bro hopped out of the end gameand went into a lower position,

(51:03):
harder to get into.
Y'all can be mad if y'all want.

SPEAKER_03 (51:07):
Yeah, I think Drake's success story is so and
you know, and that you know whyit's so unique?
Because black culture is very,you know, rugged.
Like if you don't, people letyou fucking down, man.
Like uh, it's not like you canjust not be who you are.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
You're gonna be told why are you not like us?

SPEAKER_03 (51:29):
Yeah, why are you not like us?
I remember I like and this is apersonal story, and I won't say
anybody's name, but like I usedto read a lot as a kid, right?
And then I found a girlfriendhome or whatever for like prom
or something, and my uncle waslike, yo, I always thought you
was gay because he was uhreading and shit.
I was like, what?

SPEAKER_02 (51:49):
Yo, it's it's real.

SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
It's real, you know, and that was his perspective at
the time.
I know you know people learn togrow, but like it's crazy.
Cause I've been thinking aboutthat in my head sometimes, like,
what the up?
But like those environments isso fucked, bro.
So fuck people need uh hugs,man.

SPEAKER_02 (52:12):
Facts, but like I wasn't loved, you don't get to
be loved either.
So okay.

SPEAKER_03 (52:16):
Now, do you think so surprise drops like t Tyler's
can keep happening?
Because like he did well, but itwouldn't it would have done with
a full rollout.

SPEAKER_02 (52:30):
If you have enough money and you're not dependent
on your label, you can do asurprise roll drop.
And if you're popular enough,because people are looking for
your music.
If people are not looking foryour music, you don't have the
ability to push your own stuff,you're still dependent on your
label, you must let them do arollout, get you some more

(52:53):
bread, so then you can be incharge of how your music comes
out.

SPEAKER_03 (52:57):
Yeah.
Well, that's what I think aswell.
There's been plenty of musicthis summer, bro.
I I think it's all in all,depending on how Iceman goes,
this has been a crazy year formusic.
I hope you can get a Kendrickalbum in 2026.
I think if he wants to actuallyhold this spot as the quote

(53:20):
unquote top rapper, he's gonnahave to.

unknown (53:23):
J.

SPEAKER_03 (53:23):
Cole has a drop too.

SPEAKER_02 (53:26):
Uh I would really Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:29):
I think I I know he's supposed to drop?
Why when is he supposed to drop?

SPEAKER_02 (53:33):
I don't know.
I know the follow is supposed todrop, but I I also know that
he's been dealing with a lot oflike I don't know if dealing
with is the right word, but Imean between Dreamville, sh not
Dreamville, Dreamfest orwhatever, his festival, that
like stopping, like this lastone that just passed, he said
was the one be the last one.
Uh or at least the last yeah, uhat least the last one in the way
of a festival that it is.

(53:54):
So I think they're trying tochange that.
So I think there's a lot ofbusiness stuff in the background
that he's personally dealingwith that like his team can't
you know make all the decisionswith that he wants to take care
of before he drops it out.

SPEAKER_03 (54:08):
Okay.
Now, what do you what type ofshit should Kendrick talk about
in his new album?
I said I said I think he shouldbe like preparing his marriage.
Yo, they're not married, they'renot married, bro.

SPEAKER_02 (54:24):
Oh, black drama be different.

SPEAKER_03 (54:27):
Yeah, bro.
They go together.

SPEAKER_02 (54:30):
Who's this?
My girlfriend?

SPEAKER_03 (54:32):
Bro, they go together real bad.

SPEAKER_02 (54:43):
He can do the he can do the chance thing and uh make
an album about getting married.

SPEAKER_03 (54:49):
Make an album about getting divorced, dropped.

SPEAKER_02 (54:54):
So that's actually what I'm very interested in.
One, I'm glad he put his littlesinger singles out, get his
feelings out there, you know,some are good, some are bad.
But I do want him to actuallytake some time, write his
thoughts down, and then comeback with an album.
Chance too talented to just kindof like fade out of existence.

SPEAKER_03 (55:16):
Speaking of fading out, look at ASAP Rocky.
Is he ever gonna drop that albumnow?
He's taking shit off of Appleafter an Apple exclusive.
Like, what the fuck's going onover there?

SPEAKER_01 (55:25):
He's taking stuff off of Apple?

SPEAKER_03 (55:27):
So there is an Apple exclusive for ASAP Rocky.
We talked about Spec, and itdidn't have much traffic.

SPEAKER_00 (55:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (55:35):
And didn't crack top 50, so it wasn't a lot of time
or attention like gravitatingtowards the album.
So I'm wondering, like, it thealbum got pushed back even more.
So when is this album gonnadrop?
And should ASAP Rocky just like,you know, pivot from uh music,
man?
Yeah, I I think I think peopleare too movie.

SPEAKER_02 (55:56):
I think people are too flip-floppy.
Pick a lane.
It's very I I'm not saying thesepeople aren't talented.
I'm saying not everyone has thetime and talent to be in
multiple different media lanes,right?
So if he wants to be an actor inmusic, sure.
If he wants to be a like make aclothing line in music, sure.

(56:19):
Right?
I don't know if he has theability to be doing acting,
making music, and done withclothes and fashion.
And I think he loves rap hiphop, but I think his passion is
still in fashion, so that'swhere his mind's at.
And you can't go into hip hopwith with it being your tier
two, I don't think.

SPEAKER_03 (56:40):
Nah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's what'sgonna go over him.
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Thank you, everybody, fortapping in.
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