Of Music & Men #39 LNT

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On Of Music & Men from The Life N Times Network, Dre and Natheer unpack the week in music and culture, connecting how the internet, the industry, and everyday life shape what we hear. Expect lively debate, clear takeaways, and a few laughs as we give our two cents to the artists with all the change.

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
It's Late in LA of Music and Men, episode 39.
Me and Dre were back.
Dre is back in America.
It took a while to get him back.
This movie's called Coming toAmerica.

SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
Dre flood America.

SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
He fled America before all the shit happened.
Everything happened while Drewas away, but now Trey's back.
How you feeling, Dre?

SPEAKER_04 (00:27):
Good.
That was a peaceful, uh,peaceful couple of months.

SPEAKER_01 (00:33):
You act like Bad Bunny now, bro.
You're not trying to read a ratethe stints, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (00:41):
Peaceful couple of months.
I watched the news, I think, twotimes.
I was like, yep, good thing Iain't gotta be there.

SPEAKER_01 (00:47):
Bro, you're glowing, man.
I'm not gonna lie.

unknown (00:49):
Thanks, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (00:50):
Slim down a little bit.
The food outside the country isgreat.

SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
Hey, bro, when you go post to take me back.

SPEAKER_05 (00:58):
Yeah, I forgot that was a trend.
Yeah, I forgot that was a thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
Yeah, man.
Let's take something else back.
Can Cardi B take back uh let'slet's talk about Cardi B, guys.
I'm gonna be respectful.
I don't know.
I'll I'm gonna have an opinion.
It may not be what people like.
Cardi B is what she had a childoffset.
They have, I think, three,right?

(01:26):
Is it two or three?

SPEAKER_04 (01:28):
Something between there.
Two and three.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Yeah, two or three.
She's now having another childwith Stephon Diggs, but Stephon
Diggs is a baller, so you knowyou had to get the triple
double.
He went to go get King King, thegirl, King.
I didn't even know this.
Like, all right, that's a wowlike moniker that like to earn,
right?
Like the girl from this song andthat song.

(01:51):
But hey, that's her resume.
She's also pregnant, and they'rethe double mint twins.
What do you feel?
Because a lot of people in a lotof social media was saying she
got her lick back, but was it astasty as she thought?

SPEAKER_04 (02:09):
Well, personally, I don't care who you are.
I'm never going to agree withcheating back on someone who
cheated on you is a lick back.
I always think you should justleave.
That's personally me.
If you choose to use your bodyin that way, you're grown.
But look where it got you.

SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Yeah.
I think it's just embarrassing,bro.
It's not a lot of cognitivethought happening.
It's very emotional, very tryingto get you back.
Very sad for the children.
Because that ultimately iswhat's gonna go down.
Her and Nicki Minaj are goingback and forth about their

(02:47):
children online.

SPEAKER_04 (02:49):
Her and Nicki Minaj are arguing for like seven seven
years.
I feel like they just love eachother.

SPEAKER_01 (02:53):
They're I think uh they try to use Cardi B as it is
insulting, right?
It is insulting as Nicki Minajto be compared to Cardi B in
whatever form.
She was just a brand, shebranded herself like Nicki
Minaj, but she never had barsand musicality or talent level
of uh Nicki Minaj, and that'sjust facts.

SPEAKER_04 (03:13):
That is, but she has the popularity more to show that
in her heyday, yes, but Nikkihas fallen down from where she
was, and she's fallen to alevel, and she keeps bringing
herself to a level of Cardi B.

SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Yeah, so like in p you know the stature of the
argument, they look the same.
Yeah, because they're doing thesame thing, even though they're
not the same musically, andthat's the thing.
I didn't even like like how likeSiza was trying to come at her
and this and that.

SPEAKER_04 (03:50):
I feel like she's an internet troll.

SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
I feel like Sizza, like for her to talk about
anybody online, or to haveaggressive energy when she can't
handle any comments about heronline at all or conflict, it
seems, you know, and then she'sdoing the status thing, you

(04:14):
know, like it's very weird andcondescending, and it's it's
doesn't look like a good lookfor just women in general, far
as unity, far as what we'relooking at, um, role model-wise.
What does my sister say?
The girls are fighting.
Clock it, Dre.

SPEAKER_04 (04:34):
And people will watch it because they think, you
know, like, oh, it's drama, it'sjust girls, it's it's fine.
And I'm like, y'all don'tunderstand because we don't just
only talk about girls, we talkabout mental hurt too.
Above all, everyone is aninfluence and is conditioning
the youth who look up to them.
So if you were the only or youwere the biggest female artist

(04:56):
in a male-dominated spacehistorically, the example that
you're setting for other womenwho want to join that space is
this is how I need to behave.

SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Yeah, and listen, bro, nobody wants to be a role
model, they just want tocheddar, right?
So if they just want to cheddar,we can't look at these people.
And I I urge everyone, please,like, don't look up to these
people.
Like, don't go get your lickback.
That's not gonna help.
This is not gonna help anybody.

(05:28):
Everybody's gonna be more fuckedup for it.

unknown (05:31):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
There's gonna be kids growing up, the trigger
warning is like, hey, you can'tsay Google around me, you Google
my mom, you see all this crazyshit.
I gotta deal with that, I gottherapy for it, I got this
trauma doctor for it.
Like, just think about in thefuture where like with AI, the
face swap, and all this otherstuff, there's uglier sides to

(05:53):
technology that people areexposing their children to for
no reason.
And it's a it's preventable.
And that's like I think that'sthe like all of this is
preventable.
Every single action in thiswhole situation could have been
stopped if we took a second toact like the pill, like you
know, when you're making money,right?

(06:14):
You're supposed to change,right?
Like when I was younger and Iwas making this much amount of
money, I had a differentpersonality, I had a different
look, look, and purview of theworld, right?
But like I think because theseguys get rich instantaneously,
it just makes them like more ofwhat they are.
They didn't grow, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:34):
They can't, they they didn't grow at all, they
didn't grow with their money,the money came to them, and they
did not have the time to adapttheir mindset, so that's why a
lot of them still act like kids.

SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Now, I want to know why we are excited about this.
Bro, bro, people were excitedthat the billionaire company got
to take advantage of itsartists.

SPEAKER_03 (07:17):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
Like, and they were black and they were excited
about it, and and like, and thisis what happens with people who
have their narratives co-optedby other people, right?
Like, like knock like not likeus in Kendrick Lamar's
performance at the Super Bowlwere co-opted or controlled by

(07:40):
others, right?
Like far as the business of it,the sound and what happened is
still moments that matter, butthe business of it is what's
gonna keep happening, it's it'sa repeatable thing.
People don't do a it's abusiness model for a reason, it
can be replicated, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (07:59):
So profitable and made sense to them, that's why
they allowed it, and you know,the money from it, right?
That's gonna continue.
But if we look at likeeverything that's happened since
the beef, since the Super Bowl,like what were the effects that
people were hoping was gonnacome out of Kendrick and the

(08:19):
Super Bowl?
Like, do we have tangibleeffects?
Is the community closertogether?
Have we started anything that isgoing to have longevity as a
community since the Super Bowl?
Like the kind of couple I have.

SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
That's a lot of no's, bro.
Now, to your question is there'sa bunch of no's.
Like, none of that happened, butthere's a cognitive dissonance
in the black community for whatlooks good and what's actually
happening.
It looks good for the drugdealers to bring turkeys
through, but for the rest of theyear, they were shooting you the
fuck up, or serving your mom oryour family member, or somebody

(08:59):
else or wants you to serve.
Hey, hey, hey, yo bo.
Oh, hey, come here.
Like you're you're about to be achild soldier, you're 12.
Welcome.

SPEAKER_04 (09:08):
Protected the communities and like on
Thanksgiving.
That's what we do.

SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
We give out them turkeys, dog.
He was solid.
He was solid, bro.
He was solid.
He ain't tough.
Like, hey man.
Bro, I I listen, I have mybrushes with it, and I was like,
man, this is the rules.

SPEAKER_04 (09:35):
I want a different game.

SPEAKER_01 (09:36):
Man, I think I'm like it just sells like you
know, solar and stuff.
This gotta be, this can't belife.
Jay-Z said it.
Yeah, it's it's but uh so likewe're we're dealing with a
culture that is happy to laughat itself when it's attacking

(09:58):
someone we deem lower, but wehave to remember the history of
this, right?
We don't have a lot of musiciansgoing against the label and
getting away with anything orgaining anything from it.
Michael Jackson didn't getanything from it, Prince didn't
get much from it.
And we we didn't celebrate whenthose guys' cases didn't go all

(10:20):
the way through.
There's a lot of people who arefighting cases and dealing with
things with this company or havebeen dismantled by this company
for years.
And if we're gonna be pro-music,pro the artist, pro what
Kendrick is talking about,right?
Like, fuck like like it has tobe just a person because it

(10:41):
can't be the it can't be themorality of it, right?
It's just a person, and if it'sjust a person, then that's dumb,
bro.
It it really is dumb because thelarger the issue is, the bigger
and the better the rippleeffects for everyone else.
We wanted to see this Drake casego as far as possible.

(11:02):
So if Kendrick has a case or allthese other like all these other
dudes had issues with theirlabels, it just was quiet, or
they dealt with it, they theywaited.

SPEAKER_04 (11:12):
I'm sure Kendrick a lot of people wait till their
career is over before they feellike they can even say anything.

SPEAKER_01 (11:17):
Right.
Like, I'm sure Kendrick hadissues with his label.
He's like, Man, I need to get alawyer, you know?
So like people are you knowsaying it wasn't for the culture
for Drake to do this, but nowthe culture is dealing with the
ripple effects.
Like, we have Lucky who'sgetting sued by his label, says

(11:40):
there's some missing money, saysthere's something funny.
Like, like and now why aren'tpeople championing Empire?

SPEAKER_04 (11:52):
Because they don't involve Kendrick.
This is the control that theyhave because what they told him
was hey, according to our deal,you're not allowed to release
music, which people once againdon't understand how these deals
are bad and these labels arebad.
You release this music when Isay you can release this music,
right?
So he releases music under adifferent label.

(12:13):
He's gotta get paid, he's gottaeat, he's got a family to feed.
They're like, you're not allowedto do that.
Not only are you going to stopreleasing music, you're going to
pay us the money you made fromthat song.
Say, read the contract.

SPEAKER_01 (12:27):
And then people were saying, Let's go U of G.
Like, and I just wouldn't likethis is why I layered it this
way.
Like, the like what's going onon this list.
We're gonna be talking about thelaw.
Because people told me that hiphop and the law doesn't mix, but
now a label's going after afucking artist under the

(12:48):
precedent that even Drake can'tget a fair fucking shame.

SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
You're all beat.

SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
You're all beat.
Lucky's gonna have to pay thatfucking tab.
He don't even have he's probablygonna have to go bankrupt for
this shit, because I know hedon't have that shit liquid.
If he does, God bless him, I'llshut the fuck up.
But it doesn't seem so.

SPEAKER_04 (13:08):
Right, and he still has to sit and be under control
of this label, so they're incharge of when he can make new
music, which means they are incharge of when he can make
money, they could keep him poorfor the rest of his life because
he's not allowed to make musicwithout their say, y'all.
These people are in slavecontracts.

SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
And you guys are hyped that Drake lost his case
and has to make music for acompany that openly mass pushed
him being a pedophile.
Like you guys are cool withthat.
That's just good business.

SPEAKER_04 (13:48):
Like, like, like, like, like, like, I don't
understand and get over likethey're just like, look, Drake,
you lost, stop crying.

SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Bro, I don't understand like this.
It's like a phenomenon that'sgoing on nowadays where regular
people think they'rebillionaires, and if they align
themselves and act like them oracquiesce to their thought
patterns, that they will somehowend up like them, and they never
do.
There's like some poormotherfucker that retweets every
Elon tweet, like it's crazy.

(14:20):
It's cognitive dissonance.

SPEAKER_04 (14:22):
They're gods, and they are in so much support that
the mere fact of tellingbillion, like it's like when you
talk about taxes, people arelike, hey, we're gonna tax the
rich more.
You have poor people, you gotpeople who are paycheck to
paycheck being like absolutelynot.
That's not fair to those guys,buddy.

(14:43):
That man pays less taxes thanyou.
You'd be surprised to find thatout, bro.
A billionaire could lose half oftheir income and never notice
the fact that their lifestylehas no noticeable change.
There is not a feasible way tospend the billions of dollars
that they have in a noticeableway for a human being or a

(15:06):
family.

SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
Yeah, it's completely pointless, right?
Like money at a certain point,right?
Like, say I start making 100k,right, every month.
But month 12, I'm cool.
Like I'm fine.
Now I'm on a farm, I pay for theshit cash, nobody can touch me,
everything's bought up.
Like, like, like, like, like, itand I don't have to work

(15:30):
anymore.
If you know how to like now, I'mjust saying for the average
person, 100k could set you uppretty.

SPEAKER_04 (15:36):
But they can't conceptualize billions, right?

SPEAKER_01 (15:42):
And they just want it, they just want it.

SPEAKER_04 (15:45):
Like, I I think there was there's there's like a
meme or something that goesaround, and it was something I
think was like if you take amillion seconds, you know, it
ends up being like a month, butif you take a billion seconds,
it ends up being like years,like you people do not
understand like the amount ofmoney a billion dollars is.
So when y'all defendbillionaires who literally

(16:05):
believe that they could buy youand um that is how they move
through the world, there'ssomething wrong.

SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
Yeah, and so you know, we used to go into the
castle and take the king off thethrone when he started being
weird, cut his head off.
But we don't do that no more,and now we gotta deal with the
oligarchs, right?
And this is spilling into musicas well, like it can't be I'm
here for freedom, I'm here forexpression, I'm here for black

(16:36):
people, I'm here for theprogression of the artists, and
we pick and choose because Luckyhas a weaker fucking case now.

SPEAKER_04 (16:46):
There's a precedent for suing the labels.
There they now it's like allthese artists don't know what
they're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 (16:52):
Look at the Drake case.
They're going to reference it.
It all and that's why we'regonna talk about it.
But Drake appealed it.
There's a reason these thingshappen because if this lay lays
out for some time, it becomes anew precedent over all artists.

unknown (17:08):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
Now, I really want to know, and and this is for the
people that told me that Drakesuing U of G was not hip-hop.
What is this?
We have Cameron suing J.
Cole.
Is this hip-hop?
This is Killer Cam from Harlem.

SPEAKER_03 (17:31):
Tough guy.

SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
He can't get J.
Cole to get give him his bread.

SPEAKER_04 (17:35):
And the thing with this, too.
Or give him a show, like andhere's why I don't agree with
because from Cam's own words tohis suing, right?
They did a project, they didsomething, and Cam waited till
they were in the studio.
So they did a project, did asong, they did another song.

(17:58):
Cam was like, hey, you know, inthe future, either be on a
project of mine or we do a songtogether, credit me, right?
Cam waited till they were in astudio already doing another
song to say, hey, agree to theseterms, or I'm not giving you
permission to release this songthat we're making.

(18:19):
So he got a verbal agreementfrom Cole.
Then you wait till we're I'mspending time, money, we're in a
studio.
We're already making a song fromhis own words.
While we were in a studiorecording another song, I told
him, Hey, I'm not givingpermission to release this until
you blah blah blah blah blah.
That's fine, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Bro, he just strong armed them.
He and this is this is going onthroughout hip hop.
That's cool, and now because yougot to consent under coercion,
you want to take it to court.
That's gonna get spanked incourt, bro, or it's gonna get
long and lengthy.

SPEAKER_04 (18:57):
Hey, he agreed, he agreed to this in the studio.
You mean when y'all had alreadyspent the money to do something
for him, y'all were working onone of his songs, and you told
him I'm not gonna let yourelease a song unless you do
something for me.
That should have been negotiatedbefore we got here.

SPEAKER_01 (19:11):
Yeah, and Jake Hall needs to be, and this is
probably why he doesn't he's noton the scene like that, right?
Like these guys, and I looked upto Kim, right?
Like, these guys are justbullies, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (19:25):
Like earn it by the people who did it to them, which
were their labels.

SPEAKER_01 (19:29):
Yeah, and they just copy this process, and now
they're suing people, but thisis hip hop.
You you bullied somebody thatprobably looked up to you for
consent, and now you're suingthem.
Nah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (19:47):
It's cool if they like you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
It's crazy, it's it's wild, and that's uh, you
know, colorism that's within thecommunity as well.
And like, as a brown skinneddude, I never faced that much,
you know?
Yeah, like I'm right in themiddle.
Like, if I'm out in the sun longenough, you you be like, uh, you
know, like like uh uh I don'tknow how to insult you, right?
So like I never had to deal withthe extremes, but I've

(20:14):
definitely seen it within thecommunity.

SPEAKER_04 (20:15):
It's like and honestly when I've I've made the
jokes, right?
Of course, everybody makes thejokes.

SPEAKER_03 (20:20):
But at a certain point, you just gotta be like,
why?

SPEAKER_04 (20:24):
Like, like if I really want to be a better
person, like if I want thecommunity to be better, that
shit really gotta stop.

SPEAKER_01 (20:30):
Like, it's just gotta that shit has to stop when
you're 17, 18, bro.
I'm sorry.
Basically, yeah, yeah, like it'scool when you're a kid, you're
young, uh, it's cool, but likeif you're a man with these
ideologies, yo, I did ask when Iwas younger.
There's a grown man,dark-skinned dude, street dude,
or tough guy, whatever, right?

(20:53):
Arguing with my grandma about iflight-skinned guys were tough.

SPEAKER_04 (20:59):
Yeah, they didn't never heal.

SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
Like, what is what this is like two, three
generations of what the fuck.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, like, what is going onover here?
And and like, I think forespecially the black community,
we just have to stop doing it.
It didn't work.
Like, I have uh like it doesn'twork.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (21:19):
I forget why they like okay, like you know, a
little empathy.
Older generations, it wasdifferent.
Y'all was really gettingtreated.
Y'all were getting treated badby y'all parents, y'all aunts
and uncles for being darker orlighter.
I understand it.
We are no longer in that time.
There's no more fields, there'sno more house unless you choose
it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:38):
So, yeah, and everything you don't agree with
doesn't make someone a cool.
Like, bro said pull your pantsup because it probably would
make you you know moreproductive.
Like, I don't I don't know.
I don't know, bro.

(21:58):
That's just me throwing in mytwo cents.

SPEAKER_04 (22:01):
You need a belt, hey.

SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
If you don't got a belt, bro, I can buy you.
Get you a belt, brother.
Get you a belt.
I'm telling you, man, the blockdoesn't work.
We tried it.
All right, the war on drugs,right?
Didn't they end the war ondrugs?
Like, they don't say it anymore,right?
So whenever whenever theystopped saying that is when we
should have stopped too.
It don't work, man.

SPEAKER_04 (22:22):
Yeah, the CIA moved on a new tactics.

SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
I think the blow shit fully winning in this yeah,
they they they they was like,nah, man versus woman.
The drugs have flooded thecommunity.
It's fine, it's gonna keepcycling.
Now we gotta get the man versuseven more, even more.
It's it's hilarious, man.
And it goes throughouteverything, though.

(22:44):
Like, I when I when I talk aboutthese topics, like it hits all
communities.
We're just talking about ourexperience because we're black.
Sorry if you didn't know, by theway.

SPEAKER_04 (22:55):
You were black, that's crazy, right?

SPEAKER_01 (22:59):
How are you?
I I keep people safe, I makethem feel safe.

SPEAKER_04 (23:02):
Okay, anything.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
One time I take the glasses off, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (23:05):
That was great.

SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
All right, so now it says hip hop is back.
He credits the clips andKendrick Lamar.
Listen, man, can you get EarlSweatshirt ever get a shout out
from the OHIS?
Why don't Earl Earl Sweatsherget any love?
He's a lyricist.
Why why why didn't Larry Jewgetting you love?
He's a lyricist.
Why didn't Freddie Gibbs get anylove?
He's a lyricist.
Like, I'm just saying it wasmore than what those two guys

(23:30):
did.

SPEAKER_04 (23:30):
And I will be honest, the clips had a that was
a great album.
I'm still not on board as muchwith them being at the Vatican.
A little worried to me, but thatwas a great album.
But if you are going to chooseto credit hip hop coming back
based on you know a subset ofpeople, Boldy James Crouts, eyes

(23:53):
what makes you say those people,you know.

SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
Yeah, I think uh Nas uh you know there's there's some
things percolating in there.
I feel like uh Nas is onKendrick's side because when he
went against Jay-Z, he wasKendrick, basically.
And I think he's there for that,but I don't think he likes the

(24:18):
business with Jay-Z.
And I I think he he he's more onthe artistic side than the
business side with Kendrick.

SPEAKER_04 (24:25):
And I can say that, and like that's why like
respectfully, like I'm sure Nasis plenty of money, but Nas is
never gonna be the richest, youknow, artist or anything like
that.
It's because like he's reallythere for the music.

SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
Yeah, I don't know.
I thought that shit was funny.
I I like because I get it, likeI get what you're saying, and I
get it's trendy, but likethere's so many other artists,
and you're Nas.

SPEAKER_04 (24:54):
So, like Want to be more tapped into the culture,
you should be more tapped in.

SPEAKER_01 (24:58):
Like, if you only know about the Kendrick Eclipse
album and you're talking aboutlyrical rap this year, then
you're you're missing out.
Like, that Freddie Gibbs albumis incredible.
I listen to that shit every day.
And the Larry Jume album, likethe Chance the Rapper's album is
pretty good as well.
So, like, there's music outhere, man.
Joey Badass album is great too.

(25:20):
So, like, I didn't I wassurprised he didn't say Joey
Badass.
So, like, it was just weird.
And like, I think that was somecoded shit against somebody
else, which is cool, it can becute, but it's not cute when
you're like 40 plus, dog.
Like, you're you're supposed tobe an elder statement of
hip-hop.
Put the young bulls on.

(25:40):
This is the biggest problem inhip-hop.
There is nobody young that canrap as well as Kendrick, Drake,
or J.
Cole that we all listen to.
True, and that's the problemwhen Jay-Z and them had to get
out because J.
Cole, Drake, and Kendrick areall dropping out like it's like
yo, he's dropped good good kid,Matt City.

(26:02):
The lyrical lane is like ate upright now.

SPEAKER_04 (26:05):
Drake just uh how I believe they fought to keep
their spot, and that that's whythat era was so good, because it
was like everyone was still inthere, but they rightfully took
their place as heads of thegeneration, the old ones still
making music, but they werelike, All right, it's time to
step back.
These guys have the scene, asyou said, there's no one taking

(26:27):
the scene, there's pockets, likesome fans here for these guys,
fans here for these guys.
Not as much collaboration andand joint stuff that I were
seeing.

SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
Yeah, Joey could have had it, man.
I feel like Joey could have hadit.
He had to stop piecing up withthe West Coast dudes during the
beef.
He's supposed to keep it fullbeef.
Because then you can startmaking the claim.
Then you can be like king of NewYork and this and that, right?
Like, there's no king of NewYork.

(27:01):
Like, Joey's probably the bestrapper out of New York, but I
can't say he's the king of NewYork, you know?
Because there's no one likesound, like there's a kind of
like and then he doesn't have areal like what's his title?
Like, who do he go against tobecome the king of New York?
You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
Like, he picked up an empty crown.

SPEAKER_01 (27:19):
Yeah, it's an empty crown, like there's no one there
really, and it it was nocompetition there for it, he's
just the best.

SPEAKER_04 (27:26):
And he when he went to go prove his crown, he's
like, I mean, so I mean, solook, okay, let's say this,
right?
And I and this might be wild,and I only say this because,
like, J.
Cole, would we say the king ofbecause look, here's the thing.

(27:48):
Now hear me out, he's from NorthCarolina, right?
He's from North Carolina, right?
But J.
Cole's whole start like from2009, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:53):
I hear New York.

SPEAKER_04 (27:54):
And I'm like, hey yo, if we gonna say that Tupac's
a West Coast dude, and bros fromthe East Coast, but that's where
he came up and made his music.
So he's a West Coast guy?
That's fine.
Y'all have that, right?

SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
I don't know.
I think J.
Cole's the king of the South.
Really?

SPEAKER_04 (28:09):
He has too many Atlanta rappers for that.
Whoa, to be titled King of theCoast.

SPEAKER_01 (28:13):
He's not he's not uh street enough to be king of the
South, then, right?
And that's fine.
That's gonna be cool.

SPEAKER_04 (28:20):
King of the East Coast.

SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
I would say Joey would this I would say Joey
would disagree.
Like the people will go at that,but like he has to be the king
of the East Coast.
I agree, but like, yeah, I I cansay that.
I can say that.

SPEAKER_04 (28:32):
And if we're like if we were gonna say people in
competition, right?
If we're gonna say there is acrown, who would people want to
see holding that?
It would have like it has to beJake, yeah, he would have to
give that conversation to bethere.
There is great music coming outof New York again, and there's
great music coming out ofPhilly, and there's so the East
Coast is still has a very strongsound.

(28:54):
But if we're gonna, you know,it's Drake, J.
Cole Kendrick, J.
Cole's the only one on thatside, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
Drake's the king of the north.
Yo, yo, for real.
That's like continent.

SPEAKER_04 (29:13):
Is the international like got it?

SPEAKER_01 (29:17):
Yeah, got it.
Far like that's why that's whythey start talking about kids,
they make up kids and shit.

SPEAKER_04 (29:22):
He's like, y'all fighting over coast, and Drake's
like, I don't even have to be inyour bad bunny, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (29:27):
You don't have to you don't have to be in the
States, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (29:31):
Yeah, I'm I hate how uneducated America is.
If I see another post of sayingsaying bad bunny is not an
American artist, like they don'tknow, that'll be um Puerto Rico.

SPEAKER_01 (29:42):
Like bro, I I'm I'm gonna I I wanna like, and this
is no this, man.
I I want to add racism and youknow I wanna add that to the
mental health list, likeignorance, it's a detriment to.
To that extent.
Like, I think it's just a mentalhealth disorder at this point.

SPEAKER_05 (30:03):
But they say Trump's talk with the president of
Puerto Rico.

SPEAKER_02 (30:12):
That's the that's that's the boss.
That's the boss.

SPEAKER_05 (30:17):
They said was in the mirror talking to himself.

SPEAKER_04 (30:20):
Like, bro, you can't you can't make this up.
But yes, art.
I just as a black person and asan American, it is an
embarrassment to theinternational community to watch
us shame and shit on our ownpeople.
Because, yeah, and I I think wasuh I think you sent me the video
of the one blood interview wewere talking with I forget which
DJ it was, and they were talkingabout you know him doing the

(30:43):
thing, and bro's like, why can'twhy should he be shamed for
being in America speaking hismother tongue, which he learned
in America because Puerto Ricanand then going to the Super Bowl
and performing that?
What should the shame in thatbe?

SPEAKER_01 (30:56):
Yeah, there's no shame, there's just a lack of
education, like and that's whatit really is.
Like most people, I wouldn't saymost people, the average person,
right, that's commentingsomething negatively, they
either are uneducated or theydon't want to be educated,
right?
Like there's this a layer, Icall it a wrinkle of ignorance,
right?
Like, I remember I was in thecar with this lady, and she was

(31:19):
Jewish, right?
She was my Uber driver, and thenshe started complaining about
this person, and then shestarted talking about Mexicans.
Now she's Jewish talking to ablack person about Mexicans, so
that and she's like 40 plus, sothat wrinkle of ignorance,
everything that Jewish peoplewent through, all their tri all
the stigmas and stuff that shelearned nothing.

(31:42):
Wrinkle of ignorance, she'slike, Yeah, these Mexicans.
I'm like, whoa! Right?
And you can imagine what shewould say about my group once
I'm not in her place.
Right, yeah, right.
So it's just like there's alevel of ignorance that you
can't really compete with.

SPEAKER_04 (31:59):
And I hate when it like in this book, my last name.
We can move on.
I hate when ignorance especiallycomes from minority or groups of
people who immigrated herethrough favor because their
number one complaint is well,people need to come here the
right way, people need to comehere, blah blah blah blah blah.
Y'all genuinely have noknowledge of our immigration

(32:20):
system, and you need to just bemore cognitive.
Like you were favored to comehere, you were chosen to come
here, and you were allowedleeway, right?
I just met a dude last week andhe's from Turkey, and he was
like, Yeah, I came in throughthe asylum system, which I'm
wondering how you got in herethrough the asylum system
because there usually has to bethings that be going on in the

(32:41):
country for that to happen.
But he's been here for fouryears.
Government brought him here, sethim up one apartment, gave them
money for four months, got themjobs.
All within a year, I think, ofapplying.
There are people who have beenon the wait list for 10 years
trying to get into the UnitedStates, so it's not as easy as
what everyone thinks, just dothe right thing.

SPEAKER_01 (33:02):
Sometimes your family doesn't have time for
well, immigration, like a lot ofthings, is about the wealth
disparity.
There's obviously gonna be richkids.
I mean, we went to Penn State,right?
There's rich kids, internationalstudents getting into Ferraris,
like their parents paid thatFetty to get here.
That's what it is, and that'swhat like there's differences.

(33:25):
When I was in LA, I met realmigrant workers that had to do
certain things, and I met and Irespected them in their story.
So, like, people who have thesenarratives and disrespect for
migrant people who made it toAmerica, especially you know,
the second generation, thechildren that are born here.
Yes, the kids, we're alwaysgonna disagree on that with me.

(33:48):
And and that it is not just atopic for me.
So, like, if if somebody bringit up, I'm not gonna act like
this is a regular fucking thing.
Yeah, no, it's a line in thesand for me.

SPEAKER_04 (33:58):
Y'all gotta like these kids have to go their
whole lives with that chip ontheir shoulder and that stigma,
and it's there's a lot that goesinto having to make that
sacrifice in danger for yourselfand then try to do that thing
for your kids.
So people just just kick themout, just do this.
Y'all, y'all are not having theor it's November.

SPEAKER_01 (34:22):
Let's talk about the origins of Thanksgiving.
Let's talk about how this shitstarted.
Like, come on, bro.
I'm not dumb.
Like, yeah, picking andchoosing.

SPEAKER_04 (34:30):
Yeah, like it's it's it's it's very fucking clear to
anybody that's picking andchoosing, just like the
government's picking andchoosing, because we're not
going after undocumented peoplebecause let's talk about the
number of undocumented peoplewho came here on school and
never left.
But we're not looking for thoseones.

SPEAKER_01 (34:45):
Nope.
No, it is a category, it's areason.
We're not talking about themental health system when the
dude got hopped out of thesystem 18 times.
We talk about when he killed thegirl, right?
Right, and how she's beautifulUkrainian, uh blonde hair with
blue hair, blonde hair, blueeyes.
Like, and we understand.

(35:06):
It is a tragedy.

SPEAKER_04 (35:07):
But do we consider that Trump was just talking bad
on their president?
And now all of a sudden, thisthis woman is a tragedy.
She escaped the war to come hereand die.

SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
You have no respect for the Ukrainian people prior
to that, but bro, and then theywere like trying to say black
people are this or that.
There was a guy, a black man,took his fucking shirt off to
stop the bleeding.
First person to leap into actionafter she was stabbed.
So, like it's not everybody.

unknown (35:34):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
Human beings in the human experience is case by
case.
If you are generalizing and youare not under 18, you're an
idiot.

SPEAKER_05 (35:45):
You have been forever.

SPEAKER_01 (35:48):
You have no brain.
Like, I can't talk to you.
Like, it's not objective.
You can't put two differentthings, you can't correlate, you
don't know what conflate means,you don't know what like I why
are we even getting into it?
You know, it doesn't even affectyou, right?
Like, that's the funniest andthe most disrespectful people to
run into the academics, thepeople who think your issues are

(36:09):
like a fucking crouton forconversation.
It's like, oh, how do the blacksget it all together?
Anyway, hip-hop falls off.
But no, hip hop, like, so NASAthat hip-hop is back, and then
lauded the clips in KendrickLamar.
The charts say we are off forthe first time.

(36:33):
35 years, and this is whathappens when we shit on the most
marketable person in ourcommunity instead of using him
as a vehicle to bring more musicand sound to the forefront,
which he's done for 15 years.
So, but he's not like us.

SPEAKER_04 (36:53):
So, two things on this.
This is personally not as bad.
So, it's it sounds like a greatheadline, but it is not as bad
as people think.
But also, yes, it wouldn't evenhave been a headline if the
community wasn't attackingDrake.
So, for one, hip hop has fallenwith the billboard's top 45

(37:14):
first time in 35 years becausethe billboard decided to change
the rules on how long music getsto stay on there.
Now, that in itself, there'snothing wrong with that.
Why is that bad for hip-hop?
Well, because our most popularartists do not drop that much.
Now, if Drake wasn't beingattacked, Luther wouldn't have

(37:35):
been the only song that had beenup there.
He's the most consistent hip-hopartist who keeps dropping music
that is popular, and so this oneeven had been a headline, but
his image has been taking a hit.
So a lot of his music has nothad the same numbers as they
used to.
So, yes, when you are solelydepending on Kendrick, and
Kendrick's dropping history isirregular and not frequent, you

(37:59):
get one hit, and all of hip hopwas depending on that one hit to
stay on the billboard accordingto old rules.
Now, I think it's fine becausethis allows new music to
frequently enter the billboards,and this will push people
because these people care aboutnumbers and fame.
Well, then you need to dropmore.
If you want to make it onbillboard and you want to stay
on billboard, this forces you tobe consistent.

(38:22):
If not, you will continuouslyfall, just fall off, and people
won't hear from so all theseartists who were going, you
know, I'm gonna do somethingevery five years, every six
years, they're not letting stuffsit on the billboards for three
years anymore.
That stuff has to get taken off,they're taking it off.
I think 50 weeks is the longestsomething can stay on once it's
no longer in the top 50s.

SPEAKER_01 (38:41):
Yeah, and it's it's great, it's great business.
I think it will, you know, urgepeople to be more competitive
and push the music scene.
But yes, we got a black eye.
Hip hop has a black eye, butlike it it's so
counterintuitive, and it it'sreally like almost a metaphor

(39:04):
for what happens in a communitywhen we have an educated, or not
even educated, a person who grewup in the same environments,
right?

SPEAKER_00 (39:12):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (39:13):
But chose more positive paths.
I think that is the onlydifference between Drake and
every other black American whohas had who has this critique of
him.
He has a single mom.
He has a single mom.
She works as a teacher.
We know teachers don't make alot of money.
They don't make much shit.
Okay.
His dad is an entertainer.

(39:35):
He has to go from Canada toAmerica.

SPEAKER_04 (39:37):
That that's already right, isn't that where his
dad's from?
Memphis.

SPEAKER_01 (39:40):
He's from Memphis, yeah.
His dad's a a le a legendaryMemphis guy, and also his uncle.
Like they're both legendary, I'mpretty sure a bass player.
I don't want to mess that up.
All right.
Because Dennis made, I think itwas either drums or guitar.
But both of them are very famousmusicians already in Drake's

(40:04):
family.
So that's his start, right?
Him and the mom are struggling.
His dad's not kicking in.
You can ask him.

SPEAKER_04 (40:10):
His dad is not in the picture.
Met his mom, left of them wentback to the states.

SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
Left of them went back to the states.
We are at the same level.
Now instead of going, he's notgoing to a bad neighborhood.
He's not in a bad neighborhood.
That's his best start.
Right?
But now you're going to awhite-dominated school and
you're Jewish and you're black.
I I know he got bullied.

SPEAKER_04 (40:32):
Oh, absolutely.
So became an actor.
He was a drama kid.
I know he got bullied.

SPEAKER_01 (40:38):
I know he got bullied.
So like now he's facing allthat.
He's probably the only blackperson in a lot of rooms.
Now he's one of the most popularblack people on the show,
Degrassi, and he's helping hismom pay the bills.
What part of that story is bad?

SPEAKER_03 (40:57):
Like it's come up.

SPEAKER_01 (40:59):
Like, I don't understand that.
And if you can take the timeout, like people, like really,
like that story should be commonin the black community.
Right?
Like uh like as far as it beinglargely positive and changed by
hard work.
Like this story of us survivingthis trenches and being these

(41:24):
super like like that doesn'tchange anything for our
neighborhoods.
That doesn't change anything forour community.
Guys who get out of the hood andget a regular job, right, don't
come back because it's thatfucked up.
Now you're this is probably thegreatest resource you have.
Someone that actuallyunderstands exactly what you've

(41:45):
been through and wants to changeit, but he's not like us
anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (41:50):
Like y'all could have easily and okay, look, once
again, we're not saying Drake'sa perfect person.
There's definitely issues withDrake.
Drake has done things in theindustry that a bunch of people
don't like.
That is fine.
But y'all could have looked athim as a resource or an example,
right?
Because I think people who areupset about Drake's upbringing,

(42:12):
background, he's not black, he'swhite now, all this stuff like
that.
These are the same people whowould, as you say, call people
sellouts, shame their friendswho got out.
You're gonna have kids, right?
So, like, are you also going totreat your kid bad because they
have a good life that you guysprovide?
Like, isn't that why you'redoing the things?
Because you wanted to make sureyour kids weren't hungry and

(42:33):
they had a roof over their head,but you're going to shame
someone and call them whitebecause they didn't have as bad
of a black upbringing as youdid.
Like is what you would want foryour kids.
You want your kids to be able toI want my kid to be able to
pursue their dreams, be a childactor, be a child musician, go
on and get money.
Like, that's what you want.

SPEAKER_01 (42:50):
That's what we want, right?
I think we have married tragedyto culture, and it's not a
culture, it's not normal to havesomeone be shot and killed, and
you know, and everybody knowsabout the shit, and it's very
common, and it's not the firsttime it's gonna happen to you.
And that's and that's a bigthing, like you know, kids that

(43:12):
grow up in poor, impoverishedparts of America in these inner
cities are in war zones thatthey didn't sign up to be in.
Like, there's regular childrenin these environments, right?

SPEAKER_04 (43:24):
Like, and there's good kids that won't even like
you prepare soldiers for whenthey're gonna go overseas.

SPEAKER_01 (43:29):
Yeah, by the time they get like by the time I was
18, bro, like my demeanor, likeit took years to lose that shit.
And then I got it all right backwhen I went back to LA.
I was like, oh no, I'm back inthe city.
But like it it really took yearsto lose that edge I had with
people, and I still it likeflares up everywhere because
it's a part of your DNA, you hadto be ready for things, like

(43:51):
there was no help in thoseenvironments, and like the
environments that your favoriterappers coming in, coming from
and like glorifying, those guyshave survived hell, and now are
the only thing we respect ishell, and that's not
progression, and like and I Ithink you said something

(44:14):
important that is like tragedyis not culture, and I think like
that's a narrative people haveof us, right?

SPEAKER_04 (44:20):
Like the people who are ignorant or racist, right?
They're like, Oh, it's it's justtheir culture, it's their DNA.
No, it is circumstances that Ithink we are running into an
issue where a lot of whitepeople are starting to believe
that narrative.
That well, just coming fromtragedy, that is our culture,
that is not, and it doesn't haveto be that way.
There are circumstances, butthere are so many other things

(44:42):
that are in our DNA than justbeing drug dealers and being
bums and being gangbangers andkilling each other and having to
do all this stuff and then tryto overcome it.
Like that is not everywhere, andthat is not everyone's
experience, and for us to pushother people's experiences while
pushing the tragic ones becauseit sounds good for a story.

(45:02):
We are back into a situationwhere we are commoditizing and
selling off our tragedy as ourculture and trying to export
that to people for them to buyand then be upset when they
believe it.
We're doing that ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 (45:19):
Yeah, and the label's helping by picking
artists and pushing artists anddisagreeing.

SPEAKER_03 (45:23):
Who will do that?

SPEAKER_01 (45:24):
And who will do that?
And Kendrick is the guy theyused to counteract the Drake
situation.
Because I'm sure there's amillion uh millions of black
theater kids, nerdy who's like,well, Drake did it.
You know what I'm saying?
And and like they have to existthough, like like there has to

(45:46):
be other versions of blackreality that can persist and
exist because that version isnot it it bro, nobody grows
there.

SPEAKER_04 (45:56):
Right.
That's a dead end, that's a deadend.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
It's a dead end.
So what are we doing and whatare we applauding?
And I I think that's my biggestgripe with this whole situation
because bro, I've been in andseen real shit, and people think
this shit is a game or a song orsome shit.
Like, this music is coming fromreal places.
Like, I remember I came into myhigh school and they were

(46:21):
playing, they weren't playing,they were rapping Tony's story.
Like the kids, like this is thisis the this is my introduction.
Welcome to ninth grade.
Like, Tony killed his old manfor a whole break, lined them
all up, and gave him the wholeclip.
Said he wasn't needy, he wantedhis own shit.
Like that shit is ingrained,right?

(46:43):
Like that, like that's not ajoke.

SPEAKER_04 (46:47):
Hip hop, rap, music, it is art, and this was supposed
to be an art for people toexpress their pain and their
history and their own storiesand make it out, and be stopped
seeing it as art and startedadmiring it as something else,
right?
You don't go and look at apainting with dark spirals, and

(47:10):
after you look at it andunderstand it, aspire to be that
painting.
You see where the artists camefrom, see the work they put in,
and you're like, I see this, Isee you, and that's what a lot
of artists wanted originally.
I do think we've got into we'vetalked about the drill and all
the other stuff like that, andwe've started wanting people
that we but a lot of artists andthe ones chosen by labels and

(47:31):
promoted by labels have foundpeople who are okay with pulling
people into their darkness.

SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
Yeah, and you know, you're gonna stay away from the
crash outs, but here's somepositive news DDG and Haley have
patched things up, they haveboth dropped their suits, they
have uh have temporary custodyof the child, both of them,
neither one of their familymembers can post.

(47:58):
I think this is the bestsituation for both parties.
I think both situations happen.

unknown (48:06):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
You don't drop something because it didn't
happen, you drop somethingbecause if we were to litigate
this, it's gonna be crazy.
You can't delete text messages,nor like that whole situation.
Like when people go throughmoments like that, like
everything's being trapped.
Once the police come, oncethey're involved, they're gonna

(48:27):
go through your phone and readevery message.
Who really started what?
Who's trying to stop?
Well, you guys told us this, butwe have every single message.

SPEAKER_04 (48:36):
And your phone client, I'm sorry to tell you,
has a history of every messageyou ever put out in the sent.
You don't delete it off thatdon't mean shit.
The cops are going right to ATZ,and they're like, hey, they're
in court, and we need thisdate's text history, right?

SPEAKER_01 (48:49):
So please, please do not start something and not
understand what you're actuallystarting.
Because people get intolitigation or threaten
litigation and think it's just ajoke.
Once these police get involved,once these cops get involved,
once these detectives getinvolved, once they start
talking to people, they're gonnafind out shit.

(49:12):
You you you wish you never eventold them shit.
And that's the thing.
Like, they looked into both ofthese people during this
situation, and both parties hadenough to proceed.
Like, and you know, Haley's tiedup with Disney, she tied up with
Big Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_04 (49:30):
And that's why this really got dropped.
Like, first off, she's shestarted a lot of this stuff, and
she felt she had an advantageover him.
I'm happy DDG, and this is whatlike I'm happy DG is in a
situation where he has the moneyto defend himself because it's
hard to do that as a man inAmerica.
But also, yes, she thought shehad an advantage over him when
they are both guilty of a lot ofthe things they said about each

(49:53):
other, but neither of you areinnocent, and so you know, I'm
almost happy that this wentthrough court simply because now
it's legalized that they have todo these things, right?
If it stayed in the shadows,there'd probably be a lot more
stuff going on.

SPEAKER_01 (50:09):
It would have reached it would have escalated
higher.

SPEAKER_04 (50:12):
Oh, yeah, it would have been a lot more dangerous,
a lot worse for the kid.
A lot so like I'm happy he tookthis path.
DDG's a smart person.
I'm happy he's gotten like goodadvice to continue.
Doing the stuff the legal way.
This is an example of someonewho, you know, these are things
we like to see.
Like, no one's life is perfect,things happen.
He's not perfect.
I'm not saying the shit he didwas great either, but doing

(50:33):
things the proper way to handlesituations, we don't need more
situations when people arestealing their kid or shooting
their baby mom or doingsomething.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
Go to court, go to court, go to court.
Hey, stop posting shit, go tocourt.
Stop internet, get off Twitter,stop sending threats, go to
court, go to court because likepeople will be fucking around
and like it really beperception.
Like people be playing aroundperception versus reality.
Like, you gotta stay in reality,especially when it comes to your

(51:02):
kids, especially when it comesto you know, relationships.
It's very serious.
So, you know, it is what it isin that situation, but I'm glad
that DDG and Haley both gottheir kid, you know?
Yeah, they both got their kidand they both got an agreement.
Hopefully, no more anything elsehappens.
I I'll tell DDG this don't ever,ever, ever pick up that kid by

(51:24):
yourself.
Always have somebody with you.

SPEAKER_04 (51:26):
Oh yeah.
Or be recorded.

SPEAKER_01 (51:28):
Or be recorded.
Same thing for Haley.
I would if something like thathappened in my life, I would, I
would be like, yeah, I can't, Iwould put in a litigation.
Always have a witness.
Because then I just get to be aregular person.
Because like but people actdifferent when there's nobody
around.
So like it can turn into a wholedifferent situation.

(51:49):
You go pick up your kids, she'slike, no, I fucking hate you.
Like, like, like like I've seenshit like that.

SPEAKER_03 (51:54):
Yeah, like argue, I'm here to go back to it.
No, you didn't do this, do that.
Court order.

SPEAKER_01 (52:00):
It's Friday.
It's Friday.
We gotta call Officer Caseyagain.

SPEAKER_04 (52:06):
Come on, but I'm not ready.
We not home.
Hey, the swaps at three o'clock.
You not home?
When you get home, please willbe here.

SPEAKER_01 (52:14):
Police will be there.
Yeah, it's gonna be horrible foryour case.
Yep.
We both agree to this loss.
So D'Angelo passed, rest inpeace with D'Angelo.
He was like one of the firstlike RV dudes I tried to do, you
know, the whole shit, like goingdown the street, you know,
talking, you know, all thatshit, like far as like what RV

(52:35):
used to matter.
Like it used to matter, likepeople used to sing their whole
soul out, or it used to be likelustful, but like with a you
know, a reason behind it.
Yeah, he's like, no, I'm gonnatake you out.
Like, you know, like this iswhat they used to tell you, like
they were still taking you on adate.
Now it's just like no more date.
The dates have been eviscerated.

SPEAKER_04 (52:54):
So uh the date was when I met you at the strip
club.

SPEAKER_01 (52:57):
That was right.
That's not a that's a crazydate.
But um rest in peace to him.
He's a legend, one of theforefronts, to bring in uh RB
soul to mainstream music.
Unfortunately, Tyler the Creatorand his fans had a different
response to that.
They were saying a lot, a lot ofheinous shit.

(53:18):
Tyler the creator had to speakout about it, and this all
points to his past, right?

SPEAKER_04 (53:24):
Like, so that's why his past got exposed.

SPEAKER_01 (53:26):
That's why his past got exposed.
And then you know what's crazy?
I forgot why I didn't listen toTyler the Creator when I was
younger.

SPEAKER_04 (53:36):
I was just trying to say though, but he was just an
edgy kid.
Nah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:40):
Hey, buddy.
Cut it up.

SPEAKER_04 (53:42):
If I and look, look, I'm gonna be honest with you
guys, right?
Everyone said a little thingsthey shouldn't have said when
they were kids.
But there were certain linesthat just weren't crossed,
right?
Like everyone magically forgotabout the stuff Dojo was doing
before when she was in themwhite supremacist chat rooms.
In them changes.
That's why Dojo's bad.
Why are we if we don't want thisbehavior from other people, why

(54:03):
would we perpetuate itourselves?
Bro was not just an edgy kid, heknew what he was doing.

SPEAKER_01 (54:07):
First of all, Tyler Crane is not dumb.
Not dumb.
Okay, Tyler Crater is not dumb.
He is a genius musically, andhe's a pretty smart person.
You can't tell me he isn't.
Also, he's from the trenches,right?
I saw the music video.
You were dancing.
Hey, hey, hey.

SPEAKER_04 (54:25):
We saw that he was hood all of a sudden.
Everybody wants to be hood.

SPEAKER_01 (54:27):
I swear to God, Hood Tyler had a KK hood, he had a
different hood on that time.
He he hood switched.
So you went from KKK to the set.
That's what happens.
It's a it's called evolution.

SPEAKER_04 (54:42):
But he wanted to remind everybody what you say
from Hawthorne or something,right?
Yeah, undermined everybody fromhe's from the hood.
But it's like they would haverespected in the hood, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (54:52):
They didn't respect that shit in the hood.
That's part why you startedmaking music and why you had
these thoughts about blackpeople at that time because you
weren't fitting in.
I understand where it's comingfrom, right?
Logically, yeah, and I doempathize.
Like, you know, I remember I wason the block with a solar car.
You know, get the fuck out ofhere.
And I like, you know, Iunderstand, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (55:15):
I don't accept it.
Like, I didn't make me think,you know.
He was just, yo, there's a lotof weird kids.
They dyed their hair, theydidn't do a lot of the stuff
that a lot of these people havebeen doing yet.

SPEAKER_01 (55:27):
I mean, he cudified himself and made money from it.

unknown (55:30):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (55:32):
So I like maybe that's why most of his fans are
white people.

SPEAKER_01 (55:37):
That's that's what people were saying.
So, bro, I never rated Tyler theCreator till Flower Boy.
And I was like, why is that?
Why didn't I listen to him?
And then I remembered all thisshit.
He must have done some weirdshit back in the day when I was
younger and way different.
I would have been like, ah, nowyou're a fucking weirdo, he's
done.
Like, hey, he was gone.
And I got back to him incollege.

(55:59):
And I swear to god, I didn'tlisten to Flower, I didn't
listen to Tyler the Creatorconsistently until Flowerboard.
Like, I only knew that one songis like, I'm a fucking trial,
sir.
Like, I knew that.

SPEAKER_04 (56:10):
I know I thought he was a weird guy, but like I
didn't know his lore at all.

SPEAKER_01 (56:14):
Yes, because I guess innately we was like, I see
weird, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (56:19):
Even so musically, I know he's talented.
I don't resonate with a lot ofhis music, but as an adult, I've
grown to respect the person hehas shown himself to be as an
adult when he's done interviews,talks to people.
I was like, okay, but I don'tknow about other people.
I do judge people's past.
I don't know.
Like it's oh, yeah, no, yougotta you gotta eat that one.

SPEAKER_01 (56:39):
You gotta eat that one, man.
Go donate to be a limitsomething, try to try to fix it
up.

SPEAKER_04 (56:44):
It's not that you know you can't be forgiven, but
forgiveness only comes when youadmit and try to work through,
not try to hide stuff.
So, like, you just gotta come onlike yeah, I was a shitty
person.
I was weird, you know.
I was a little emo back then,bro.
I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 (56:59):
I was doing a little cooning, bro.
Clancy said it'll make me acouple of bucks, man.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, his management's whitetoo.
So, like, hey, hey, man.
Hey, man, and then he was onHawthorne though, but Hawthorne
Tyler versus Kuz Cluck.

SPEAKER_02 (57:18):
Which hood is strong?

SPEAKER_01 (57:22):
Yo, yo, musicians are crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (57:24):
Like everybody got secret life, man.

SPEAKER_01 (57:26):
This is secret lives, bro.
I didn't know that uh 6ix9ineused to be like a videographer.
He used to like to shoot videosand shit.

SPEAKER_04 (57:34):
Maybe that's why he's so entertaining.

SPEAKER_01 (57:36):
Then that is.
I'm gonna keep up with himthough.

SPEAKER_04 (57:38):
Nah, last uh I don't know the last thing I've seen.

SPEAKER_01 (57:40):
I think he could like it.

SPEAKER_04 (57:43):
Glad he's alive.
And that's all I can say.
Glad he's alive.

SPEAKER_01 (57:50):
Hey bro, remember it's like bad to say, it was
good that he's alive for realsame thing.

SPEAKER_05 (57:58):
Like it's like, nah, bro.
I just watched it.
Yo, street culture is a lot,bro.

SPEAKER_02 (58:04):
I'm not even lying.

SPEAKER_04 (58:06):
Bro takes his own life as a joke.
Like, he just not everything'sfor the trolls and the memes,
and some people gotta understandthat.
But I'm glad he's alive.

SPEAKER_01 (58:16):
I don't know if the hood's gonna like that one.
It'll be alright.

SPEAKER_02 (58:20):
Hey, right, you get shot A D, right?

SPEAKER_01 (58:23):
It'll be alright.
Yo, I can't believe that samecamera.
Yo, this is crazy, bro.
Hip hop is so hip hip crithypocritical, bro.
Hypocritical hip hop.

SPEAKER_04 (58:37):
But to be fair, but this is what this is what people
need to understand.
Everyone is different, so it'sit's okay that some people don't
like suing, and some people do.
What's wrong is for y'all to goand let these same people who
call this person sue and cornyand then go and do sue in
themselves.
Oh, now you're allowed to bedifferent.
Now you're allowed to, oh, it'sacceptable when I do it, we're

(58:58):
not calling you.
No, just people are different,people have different values and
different things.
If you think snitching's notcool, you don't want snitching,
that's fine.
Rest people, most people in thisworld, regular civilians.
You do something, they see acrime, they want to make sure
their neighborhood's safe.
Like they don't have to live byyour rules.

SPEAKER_01 (59:15):
Soon as I hit 30, I'm starting a neighborhood
watch, bro.
Cut it out.
Cut it out, man.

SPEAKER_05 (59:21):
You're gonna be in the ring chats.
Somebody's suspicious to begetting down this street.

SPEAKER_01 (59:26):
Bro, I don't even like it.
Then it's gonna be a kid with alady with kids.
I'm like, why you got so manykids out there?
You know, it's after 8 p.m.,man.
Put those kids up, man.
But now I don't like like justbecause Tyler he did a little
bit of cooning, so what?

unknown (59:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:49):
Holy shit.
That's a crazy thing to have onyour jacket.
That's a crazy thing to have.

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
We're not gonna talk about it because he's all right.
I remember you were conflicted.
He got using your influence.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:03):
And if Sandbase is strong enough, I mean white
enough.
It'll go away.
It's not gonna affect his bottomdollar.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:09):
I bet you he's like Holelanter.
He was like, never needed theblacks anyway.
Yep.
He never did.
He never relied on uh he neverrelied on black consumers.
So it like Tyler could have usor not have us, to be honest.
He doesn't even have to servehis own community.
Holy shit.

unknown (01:00:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:29):
And and you know what?
Some people were fine with thatinformation.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:33):
But he also is from Hawthorne.
So because now we all just likethe Drake, when was Drake left
top line?

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:41):
We gotta create when was he not a kicking game?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:46):
When was he not?
When was he not?
And then when did he go back toHawthorne?
Did we create Tyler?
Wait, wait, wait.
Then we create Tyler.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:04):
He made the chainsaw running the end joke live on
television, and that's lesscontroversial than some of the
things that a lot of these blackartists did behind closed doors
that they want us to just belike.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:17):
Wait, how does that not make him white?
Drake was white for having agood life.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:27):
But you got Tyler Tyler the clansmen with the
rubber.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:32):
I was just corner for a couple years.
Come on, man.
Y'all likes Flower Boy, man.
Come on.
Bro, I I'm not gonna lie, man.
I had to take some Tyler off theplaylist.
I was like, what are we doinghere?
I I'm losing Flower Boy, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:50):
I was like I'm pretty sure it might just be
Earthquake.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:55):
I like I like Flower Boy.
I like certain songs on I didn'tlike the one he was singing and
shit.
I didn't like that one thatmuch.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:02):
If it wasn't for me, creative persons, and I respect
his creative.
Uh I feel like his beings aregreat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:08):
Yeah, no, he's basically sound.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:11):
Like yeah, he's good, but yeah, we just need
acknowledgement.
Okay, we just need people to ownup to their mistakes because
you're human, and no matter howfamous you are, that does not
change.
Your fame will not erase yourpast, it all comes out
eventually.
So just be like, yo, I did someshit.
It's gonna come out.
You don't gotta bring it upyourself, but when it does come
out, just own up to it, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:33):
I used to be, you know, drinking, drunk all the
time, you know, state college.
Like, I was running around,right?
Like, somebody got a video of mebeing drunk.
I'm like, damn, you got me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:42):
I know someone's got a picture of me on the sidewalk
on down south side.
Like, I know somebody's probablyseen some messages I done sent
to somebody before that waslike, yo, you ain't got no game,
right?
Like, someone's out therelaughing at my.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:55):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, my low lights, my lowlightsfor sure.
I'm like, no, no, that was me.
I take that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:00):
Yeah, like there's probably some messages like I
sent at two in the morning, andthey were like, Yo, who is this
human?
And it's like, that was a demon,was not me.
And like, I just gonna look atit and be like, Yeah, that was
that was a down day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:17):
But like, she man, mental health.
That's what I said.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:20):
But you keep moving, bro.
Like, I'm not gonna be like, yo,Shorty's tripping.
I don't know who's like, yeah,bro.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:27):
Oh no, that's my body, yeah.
No, that's me.
I'm like, my body.
That was at a time of my lifewhere I had to work on myself.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:39):
But else, not everybody is just born knowing
how to hey.
First time on this earth, I getit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:44):
Hey, that's what active addiction looked like.
Didn't know till then.
Didn't know, didn't know.
Now I know.
Now I know so I'm gonna dobetter.
I promise.
Like, yo, it really is thatbecause when you don't know what
you're capable of or how far youcan go, you don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:04):
You don't know how you do what you don't know, and
I let you do, you're like, yeah,that shit was.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:10):
Hey, I remember one time, you know, when I turned
21, I went to uh you know thewhat was that club called next
to McDonald's downtown?
Was it called Envy?

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:22):
I think so.
Or it can be Envy now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:25):
It was Envy or some shit, bro.
I went there, you know, Deontaywas working security, yeah,
right?
By the time I was finished, he'slike, man.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:35):
Hey brother, hey brother, no, no, happy birthday,
no you gotta go.
You gotta go.
No, we're talking about LAD.
Ah, shit was funny, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:47):
Great times.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:48):
Character development.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:50):
Oh, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:51):
One has to go through that.
Like, if you come out the oneperfect, I got questions.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:54):
I got first of all, because if everything's good,
right?
What's gonna happen when you getsome adversity?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:01):
If the first time life got harder for you was 25,
I know you're gonna crash out.
Like, I knew.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:07):
If the first like tough time you had is at 25,
guess what?
25 to 50 is gonna be rough.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:15):
You probably gonna spend it in jail.
I'm not gonna lie, because youcan't be outside with regular
people.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:19):
Hey, bro.
I I'm glad I had all my youknow, I didn't like it at the
time, but all my fights when Iwas younger.
Uh all the shit, uh, how topresent myself amongst men I
don't know and shit like that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:32):
Like yo, imagine being a grown man, being outside
and not knowing.
You can't say certain things toother grown men without
thinking.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
Bro, imagine being a grown man and thinking you can
just you can just do like youthink the laws apply.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:49):
Like, no, you're a man outside.
Protect yourself after thisinteraction.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:57):
Just protect yourself.
We're we probably won't evenlook into the case.
So you should protect yourself.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:06):
We're only coming if someone calls and if one man's
getting his ass beat on thesidewalk.
Probably no one's crying.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:12):
Probably won't even see the EMT, bro.
Probably shouldn't be talkingshit.
It's kind of like an underlyinglaw as a man.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:21):
He's gonna be back on the sidewalk and everyone
just walked by.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:23):
Bro, I've said shit.
I remember I was arguing withthis dude, he's like seven foot.
I was like, I accepted that hecould be my ass.
I just accepted it.
Yeah, it's like uh I can't letit slide.
So I'm gonna accept that he'sgonna beat my ass.
I'm gonna stand up for myself.
Right?
Yeah, of course I'm gonna try toget one off, but that's neither
here or there.

(01:06:44):
He let me slide.
He's like, you know what?
I was like, thank you.
I think it wouldn't be tough.
I knew it would be tough, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:50):
But you know what?
That's awful.
You're like, you know what?
This guy doesn't want to getembarrassed today.
We're both in a situation wedon't want to be in, and are we
gonna let our pride make thisworse?
Or is someone gonna be thebigger man?

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:01):
Yeah, I appreciate him.
He was very much bigger, bro.
I hey yo, this is like the yearafter Deontay graduated.
So I started looking at himlike, oh, Deontay not here, huh?
It's not gonna be no assist.
You know, Street Fighter Capcom,you can tag it tagging, it's
just gonna be me on this one.

(01:07:25):
This is another episode of MusicIn Man.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:28):
Oh, wait, buddy.
We got one thing left.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:31):
Oh, what's up?
Dave.
Oh my god, yo, Dave's album isincredible, bro.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:40):
I didn't even know people were having issues with
it.
Let me tell you, so right now,this so all the music I've heard
from Dave have been singles orfeatures?
Oh, this point.
First album that I've heard fromhim, this is what his fourth
one, I think.
Yeah, I've probably played thisfull album four times today.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:56):
Yeah, he is he's probably the best rapper out
right now.
As far as content, music,talent, and range and
cohesiveness.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:08):
I don't I don't know if this is normal, Dave, but we
talk a lot about maturity andrap and a bunch of other stuff.
He's young, he is our age, itwas 27 years old.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:18):
Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:20):
The fact that because once again, this is what
we talk about.
I want to hear from artists, Iwant to hear about people
talking about bad things.
Hip hop has always been avehicle for talking about your
problems, your community, yourculture, and what's going on in
the world.
Why is Dave one of the onlyalbums or put songs on that I've
heard this year to talk aboutthings going on in the world, to

(01:08:44):
talk about things that will makeyou think like there's very few
people, and this is some guy,and not some guy, but this is
he's in the UK, right?
Like, we have things happening,hip-hop is a black American
thing, right?
I'm glad it's spread to otherplace, and other black people
are using it.
But why are we not using ourvoices as black Americans in

(01:09:04):
hip-hop to do what it was madefor?
It wasn't made to rap aboutselling drugs, okay?
Like, that's not true.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:10):
The label said no, bro.
We we talked about this.
Remember, Lil Baby Dropped isbigger than black and white.
Probably his best song.
If we want to talk, it'sprobably his best song he ever
made.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:23):
Most to me, it's his most impactful song.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:25):
It's all right, it's his most impactful song he ever
made.
Bro, we never got that littlebaby again.
No, no, how is that a one-timething?

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:36):
The only other artist I know who consistently
will do stuff like that is MeekMill.
Meek Mill, yeah.
Like Who Decides War?
I have that.
I play that.
That's why I guess at least oncea week, right?
Like he he consistently will,you know, every few projects,
something like that, bring upstuff like that, or talk about
things like that.
He talks about the hood inPhilly and better things for his
neighborhood a lot.
There's very little baby stilltalks about neighborhood issues

(01:09:59):
and positivity, but we never gotthat.
We never got that little babyever again.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:04):
We never got that again.
And it's I'm pretty sure theyput the word out.
We haven't heard Kendrick, wehaven't heard from Kendrick or
J.
Cole since Yeah.
When did he put the B Free songout?

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:16):
It was during uh when he did that, was that SNL?

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:20):
And that's another song I play a lot, but that was
years ago.
That was years ago.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:23):
That's what I'm saying.
So like they haven't been ourAmerican, like our black artists
haven't been at the forefront ofthe black struggle for quite
some time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:33):
No, and it's I think we've gotten lost in the sauce.
We used to say, right, you know,there's no freedom until
everyone's free, right?
Because everyone was fine withpeace, but it's like black
people still struggling, sopeople should care about all
causes because it upliftseveryone.
But we got so isolated and ohwell, I'm not doing fine.

(01:10:54):
My issues and we've started toignore the broader stuff.
We used to rap about shit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:59):
Well, capitalism, capitalism, bro.
I mean, lit like listen, bro.
I grew up in a poor blackenvironment.
The way capitalism feels thereis a lot different, right?
So, like, that's what is beingheard on in this music, like
it's very, very serious, bro.

(01:11:20):
Like, people aren't joking, bro.
Like, the first and the 15th,you can feel that shit in the
hood.
Like, yeah, it's about to beThanksgiving, you can feel that
shit right now.
You go outside, it you go feelit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:34):
And people, I don't want anyone to think like, oh
well, rap was not first off.
It's like these same people whosay dumb shit, like, oh, games
aren't political, comics aren'tpolitical, start with the
political.
You motherfuckers can't read orwatch.
Rap hip hop's always beenpolitical.
These motherfuckers used to berap rapping about the Afghan and
wars in Iraq and stuff likethat.
We used to talk about troops, weused to talk.
Dave put stuff about women inhere, he put stuff about the

(01:11:57):
wars in here, he puts like theseare the stories that made
hip-hop popular.
So, and I want to kind of tie itback to like if we're not on the
top 40 charts, I don't actuallycare.
Hip hop being on the top 40 for35 years straight to me just
shows how popularized we triedto become instead of actually
being used to spread awareness.

(01:12:18):
If none of our songs are on theradio again, that doesn't matter
because there are people whoneed to hear these songs, and
they're not waiting for it to beplayed on the radio or on
Pandora or iHeart.
Like they don't it was used tospread messages and awareness
like this.
These songs they're not gonnaget played on the radio, but
that doesn't matter because thepeople who hear them are gonna
need that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:38):
Yeah, I agree with you that I think hip hop, if
we're gonna go back to ourorigins, then let's go back to
the story, but let's not makethe story just one.
And uh that's my only thing.
And I think that's like whenpeople keep talking about the
return to hip-hop, they're nottalking about a multi-layered,

(01:13:00):
multifaceted everyone has avoice.
Like a a working class blackperson can't make a rap track
about uh changing tires and getlike street crash.
Uh not even street crash, justget respect.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:14):
Like that's a problem.
So if that's inclusive, like anystory can be told, then great.
But we'll see.
I I do grade this album veryhigh.
I say it's a a 9.5 damn nearperfect.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:31):
This was like a 9.8.
Hasn't they give it a 10?
Maybe I'll run it back again andmaybe it'll be there.
But this is this was great.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:39):
And you know, this is a young artist, man.
We're gonna have a lot fromDave.
I think Dave is gonna transcendthe UK scene.
He's nationally talented,lyrically gifted, and mainstream
appeals there.
I mean, just managing therelationship with Drake and
other artists outside of the UK.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:02):
And then consistency.
Because I think there's alwaysyour gap between his last album.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:07):
Yeah.
So that I mean, but he's alsowriting for people, too.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:11):
Oh, is he?

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:12):
Yeah, yeah.
And he's in the background inthe he he he was also on that
Netflix show, Top Boy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:18):
So, like Was Dave was in there?
Okay, so now I'm gonna go, I'mgonna go watch it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:22):
Yeah, it was great.
It was actually really good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:23):
I heard I've heard wonderful things about Top Boy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:25):
No, it was it was good.
Top Boy's good, bro.
I watch that shit all the time,bro.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:29):
I'm gonna watch it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:31):
Don't be always fun.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:32):
But no, I mean that's good.
He's expanding.
I mean, like, I know like Isaid, he's had singles, he's had
features.
I know he's been working thesepast few years, and maybe that
has boosted like his popularity.
Like one of those people whohave only heard him and those
scenes.
That was the idea we had a day,right?
We're thinking Sprinter, right?
And then we get this, and it'slike, this is showing the
versatility, but I'm glad thathis album was this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:55):
Yo, you know what?
It kind of reminds me of a morepopular version of Vince
Staples.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:01):
I yeah, yo, Vince Staples hasn't dropped a bad
album to me ever.
I rate Vince Staples very high.
But that's the crazy thing, man.
Like, imagine if Vince Stapleshad a push.
He should be the king of theWest Coast, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:15):
But you know what?
Sometimes I think he'sconsistent.
We want more stuff, but I thinkthe more people stay out of the
limelight.
The better it is.
They happen to be the moreregular people, like they happen
to be the more lesscontroversial, less you're
right.
So it's like, okay, for mywants, I would like more, but
for your sanity as a person, doyou?

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:36):
Hey, he's doing a Netflix show.
Yeah, hey, you got a wholeseason on there, bro.
It's about season two about thedrop too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:42):
Get your bag.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:43):
I appreciate it.
It's just fire, it's funny.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:45):
Get your bag, bro.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:46):
It's like Alana's cousin, as far as like the humor
and like what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:50):
I you know, I still need to see that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:52):
Wait, Alana?

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:53):
Alana.
There's like a good set of likefive shows that are my list.
I think that's a good one.
What else have you been to see?
I want to see Alana.
I need to watch all of EbbitElementary.
Got it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:03):
I actually gotta catch up.
Season five's out now.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:06):
I need to go like watch like Parks and Rec.
I want on there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:10):
Yeah.

unknown (01:16:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:11):
So I gotta I got a list of stuff that I need to
watch.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:15):
COVID, I hit all that up.
I've been working.
Hey, I didn't get enough.
Oh, my fault, brother.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:21):
Yo, this break I just took was the only time I
wasn't working since 2020.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:25):
Like, yeah, bro.
I never got off.
I never got off.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:29):
Bro, I had like I think I had a month or two off.
I was going to sing, bro.
I had like a moat of fast food.
I understand how people can justcollect and check and not do
shit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:40):
Like if I got 4K every month for nothing, I'm
like nothing.
I don't know if I'm gonna goahead and work then, buddy.
But alright, bro.
It's been episode 39 of a musicand men.
We gave our two cents with toeverybody with all the change,
me and Dre all day.
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