525. The Science Dilemma With Allan Pereira

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Chris Grainger (00:03):
Welcome to the Lion Within Us, a podcast
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intends you to be.
I'm your host, chris Granger.
Let's jump in.
All right, guys, it is yourmeat episode.
Excited to be here with you,let's get right into it, okay?
So our scripture of the weekthis week is in the book of
Romans.
The first chapter, 20th verse,says For since the creation of
the world, god's invisiblequalities, his eternal power and

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divine nature have been clearlyseen, being understood from
what has been made, so thatpeople are without excuse.
We're going to be kind ofunpacking that in this episode
in particular, but also go backand listen to the spiritual
kickoff episode, where I tooksome time to unpack that in
length because I've got a reallyfun conversation today.
I took some time to unpack thatin length because I've got a

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really fun conversation.
Today we have Alan Pereira andhe's coming in here, and he
became a Christian at the age of16.
And the impact of studentministry he had on his life gave
him a passion to just keep makethis.
This is what God called him todo right.
And so he graduated fromSoutheastern University and he's

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worked for Christian nonprofitorganizations, specifically in
the areas of communications anddevelopment, and we're going to
be talking about a really funproject called the Science
Dilemma.
I'm super excited for you guysto get a chance to listen to
this one, because Alan opens upon, like, how they created it,
why they created it, how itbenefits you, how you can engage

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this with your family, withyour kids, directly, how you
could really bring this intoyour church, and he just walks
through the process of how thecontent was created.
Then he also shares about a funproject outside the science
dilemma that he, for you dadsout there, that you're going to
listen to.
I'm not going to tell you whereit is.
You're going to have to listenabout halfway in the episode
he's going to share that Iguarantee it's going to be a
blessing for you there as well.

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So hopefully you enjoyed thisconversation.
It was a fun one for me.
Hopefully you're going to justenjoy hearing Alan his story and
their unique way that he hasreally leaned in to serving
others.
So enjoy this conversation withAlan.
Well, alan, welcome to the LineWith Dennis.
How are you doing today?
That's right.

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Oh, dave Ramsey says that man,he says that on his podcast.
Amen, amen, yeah, that's it.
That's it.
You know, just every day, oneday at a time.
We're recording this on aMonday.
It's been a long weekend, butI'm ready for some warmer

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weather by the time this comesout.
Hopefully it's going to be alittle bit warmer, but man, it's
just been a tough winter here.
Right now it's cold.
It's like almost upper 30sright now, which for me is cold.
We got some Canadian listeners.
I'm sure they're like man.
You're such a wuss, but I'mlike man.
I ain't made for that coldweather.
I'm in North Carolina for areason.

Allan Pereira (03:04):
I heard that humid cold is a little different
than dry cold.

Right, right, that's it.
That's it.
So you're in Florida, though,so you're golden right.

Already.
So I love the cold weatherbecause I get to put on layers
once a year, right.

Right.

And I was getting ready to take the kids to
daycare and I put on a longsleeve, I walk out the door and
it's like 75 and I was like, ohman, it's already hot.

That's it.
I'm a little jealous.
Before we jump into yourprojects and stuff, tell us
something fun about you thatmaybe not many people know about
.

Man, this is always a hard one for me, I
would say.
I mean, in America it'simpressive, but like I speak
three languages I'm Brazilianand Japanese.

Okay.

Yeah, so I have.
I'm 50% Japanese, 50% Brazilian, but born and raised in the
United States, so it's a there'sa lot of cultural mixes in my
background.

There you go, there you go.
That is impressive, for sure.

Well, let's get into it Everybody speaks eight
languages.

Right, yeah, we don't find that a whole lot in
North Carolina, you know, butyou know there's always hope,
right.
So you know, I'd love to kindof get your story.
You got some really cool thingsgoing on with the science
dilemma.
You also mentioned anotherproject, but, like man get, get
us to the genesis of how you gotgoing with some of these

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amazing projects.

So the science dilemma was it was there.
I got into like creativevideography and all that Because
I like to make music.
And I had this guy at my churchwho was a church, like he was a
leader.
He was kind of like the secondhand man to the pastor.
He's one of my best friends,his name is Jeff Singer and we

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co-own the Science DilemmaProject and he just started
taking me under his wing andteaching me videography because
I was trying to learn and servethe church with that and he's
like amazing.
And so we started working onprojects and one of our projects
for the church was a sermonbumper and in the sermon bumper
it was basically a call toChristians for them to like, yes

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, there's political stuff goingon, yes, there's all this
ideology, but can we lay thataside and be focused on the
kingdom?
And that stuck so much withpeople that kids in the church
were going around like recitinga minute 30 second rap and they
were just like almost like acreed of theirs, like a rat, and

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they were just like almost likea creed of theirs.
And so, okay, we started havingconversations like how can god
utilize this creativity in adifferent way?
but like that impacts the nextgeneration yeah so with more
conversations with some peoplein the church, we had a
connection with a localprofessor of science and
philosophy in apologetics.
His name was Dr Tom Woodward.
He's in the first episode andhe had all these connections to

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these different scientists.
And so I just was I'm the guyon the camera on the journey
because I'm just a lay guy, layperson wanting to know what does
science say about Jesus.
And from that point on, I meanwe just kind of it evolved into
what the science dilemma became.

Man, that's pretty incredible.
So I mean, how big was thechurch that you guys were in?

It's not a huge church.
At the time it was about 500plus members, not necessarily I
think it was like a thousandpeople coming, but 500 something
committed members.
And so I'm right at the church,and then my friend was on staff
okay, that's pretty cool.

So the box, so the bumper, was like playing on
a video for like a screen before, before the service.

yeah, it was.
Um, it was a sermon bumper andwhat we did because what he
would do when he was on staff,like he would create a sermon
bumper for the sermon, so thatthere was this mesh between the
creative and the theological andI would sometimes come in and
help, just like he picked mybrain on creative stuff to like
add to his arsenal.

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And then this time he was justlike, oh, why don't we make this
like sermon bumper?
You write the rap andeverything.
So it was like a spoken wordand it was.
I mean, it was just all thekids, all the youth group
constantly was saying it whenthey would go around For 14
weeks.
They wanted to hear it.

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So then it was like this otherthought of how can God utilize
this for the next generation,like this other thought of how
can God utilize this for thenext generation.
And so we I mean it took monthsto finally figure it out there
was a gap in ministry ofcreative and science as far as
engaging the next generationwith truth and evidence.
Right, there's a lot of contentfor educational content.

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Can we make education moreengaging?

Okay, yeah.
So the science dilemma, I meanyeah, the title, like how'd you
come up with that?
And then give us some ideaslike what?
This?

yeah, that was just from those conversations,
um, of like that, like what,what should we name it?
And then it turns into, well,this is is a problem Like the
problem of mainstream science,kind of monopolizing how we talk
about science and how, likethey always want to push God out

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of science.
You know they try to say, oh,that's God of the gaps, but then
they use time of the gaps.
Right, if you give us more time, everything works out perfectly
.
And it's like that's not how itworks.
Um, and so it's not just originof life.
There's problems around, ordilemmas around, what people
believe about gender, whatpeople believe about, you know,

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the science behind all thesethings, and so the common factor
was the dilemma of science okayyeah and the video structure.

So is that how it's?
So it's, I mean kind of walkthrough the product, if you will
like.
Like what if somebody, if guysare interested knowing what the
science dilemma is, what arethey getting?

okay, so it's a four episode.
We have two products.
One is free, um, it's calledthe science dilemma and it's
like a PDF, right, and you havesnippets of the actual full
episodes in there that you canwalk through with your kids and
you can basically have themexperience the concepts.
So one of the concepts, I guessthe easiest one.

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It doesn't sound easy but it'sirreducible complexity.
So you know, for you trying toexplain that to, let's say,
you're a 10 year old, that mightnot be easy, but if you can
have them, you know, put a planetogether or you know, do
something like an activity, thenthat concept kind of just goes
and gets ingrained, because wekind of learn as we do.

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Um, so that's the free one, andthen the.
The paid version is I think it'slike 9.99, but we do have like
codes, and I think, uh, it's6.99 but it's four episodes,
full-length episodes, with manon the street.
Uh, we have dr stephen c meyer,dr michael behe.
These are like really big namesin the intelligent design world

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.
I mean, they speak at Harvard,cambridge, oxford, all that, and
so we just brought them and wethought let's bring these guys
to your living room, let's bringthese guys to your youth group
and let's get their conceptsthat are high level and bring
them to a place where yourchildren can now understand and
be equipped with this If they goto school with the truth of the

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gospel.
So you get four episodes andyou get a leader's guide, a
workbook, and then, of course,you have the free experience
that you could download.
Sorry, that was a long answer,but that's what you need.

This is good.
So I mean you mentioned a10-year-old, so kind of walk us
through the demographic Like ifI'm a dad listening to this
right now, like what's, what agerange is really this target for
?

So our constant conversation when we were
interviewing these scientistsbecause, again, they're used to
speaking to graduate and PhDs,Right, Right, and so we had to
we always just reminded and saidall right now, when we answer
this question, you're speakingto a seventh grader, All right
Now when we answer this question.
you're speaking to a seventhgrader and our thought process
was if you can explain this to aseventh grader, then you can

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explain it to you know, all ofhigh school and any adult.
You know.
Of course, we've had peoplethat have intergenerational you
know, they don't just haveseventh graders in their home
and they have a fifth grader andtheir fifth grader understands
the concept because of the funengaging side, right, right but
obviously there's drop off,you're not gonna have your first

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grader understand the conceptfully right, that's right.

That's right, no , and that's what I was trying
to get an idea.
So I mean, walk any successstories or or things you like to
share, like how, maybe,particularly if you had any
examples with a dad and theirson or daughter that have gone
through this, I'd love to getsome real reviews of it.

Yeah, there was this one dad.
That's funny.
His wife was kind of like whatis this?
And they're a homeschool family, they have four boys.
And the wife was kind of likewhat kind of a show is this?
Like she didn't, she wasn'tsure and she even thought she
was like is, is this christian,is it not?
And the dad was trying toexplain to her no, no, this is

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christian.
Like he's a good dude, he knowsme and um, but he was able to
take all four of his boysthrough it and they loved it.
They had a great time.
So it was like there was anengaging time with his kids
where he can have quality time,but it's educational.
So it was like discipleship inthe best form, um right and that
intergenerationally, all hisboys were able to understand it

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but within their capacity, right, like your 13 year old can ask
some deeper questions than yournine-year-old will.
Um, but yeah, that was like itwasn't like a conversion story
or anything like that, but itwas this conversation about.
You know, I was able to havethese high level or origin of
life, foundational christianconversations with my kids okay,

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yeah, that's awesomespecifically, we have moms that
review that homeschool.
That's a little easier to pulla mom story, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, Well, I mean, with the digital
revolution now, like everything,now this is how kids consume
content material.
I'm curious, like because Ihaven't looked at the show
directly how did you pull in andhow do you keep people,
particularly a seventh grader,engaged with a topic like that?
Like, is there a lot of b-roll,was it?
You're pulling stuff in?

I'm just very curious there I think it's
storyline, um, so we originallyshot this as a documentary, like
I don't know if you you know,like the matt walsh's, what is a
woman right?
Oh yeah so you have that formatprobably.
I mean a lot less.
Uh, I'd say like uh, he, he, hekind of makes fun of people as

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he does it.
We didn't want to do that, butwe wanted to still have almost a
format that keeps you engaged.
So we thought, oh, let's shootit kind of like that, like a
documentary.
But then as we were, as Jeffwas editing he's the producer
guy behind the camera, on thecamera, all that stuff, a
producer guy behind the camera,on the camera, all that stuff

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and as he was editing thedocumentary, uh, we ended up
reviewing it a little bit andthen we me and him just started
talking and then we came to theconclusion we need to chop this
up in four episodes, because ifwe're trying to get this to a
seventh grader, they don't,they're not going to sit there
and listen to, yeah, scientistsin one sitting, right.
So we divided it up intobasically the format which was

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man on the street.
So you have my introduction,then you have we go to a city in
our Tampa Bay area and juststart asking normal people
questions, which that was kindof pulling in social media
trends, right.
You see those things all thetime Like what do you think
about this, what do you thinkabout that?
People want to see what otherpeople are thinking that are

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outside of their ecosystem yeahand then after that we take that
concept, we go to the scientistand the scientist gives us an
answer on that same topic okayand then, after the scientist
gives us the answer, we thenhave like almost uh, we have
some animations that explain itvisually, and then after that we

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have me.
What I did is we went to ourchurch and I just broke it down,
um, in a simpler form, so thatthey could even understand.
Stand it on that level.
So dr stephen c meyer talksabout genetic code and he talks
about how that points todesigner.
Our genetic code is way toocomplicated and sophisticated
for it to be random, and so hetalks about the probability of

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our DNA being, or proteins beingwhat they are, and the numbers
matching and making sense.
And it's a 10 to the 77th power, which is an insane amount of
numbers, and what we did was wegot a bike lock with only four
dials, so 10 to the fourth power, and obviously bike locks work

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right because, they'reimpossible.
The probability is insane foryou to guess the right code
right so imagine you have a bikelock that you can't just guess
and when you talk about ourproteins, our genetic code, 10
to the 77th power, I mean howcan you say that that's random
and so right, we use the bikelock so that the kids understand

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the probability.
Wow, wow, so yeah like, stufflike that, where it engages them
a little better.

That's pretty awesome, pretty awesome.
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So, alan, I'm super curious.
You've gone through, made allthis content, the videos, the
interviews, talking with people.

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What did you learn the most?
What was most surprising to you?

you learned the most?
What was most surprising to you?
I think just the the amount ofevidence that there is.
Now scientists would disagreeand say that's not evidence,
you're just interpreting it fromyour worldview.
That's what they would say.
But I, just, I, I don't knowhow to just like ignore how much
design and and intellectual,like creativity goes behind the
human experience, likebiologically, and the universe

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as a whole.
Right like when you talk aboutfine tuning, when you talk about
coding, when you talk aboutfunctionality, right like our
organs have functions that haveto work simultaneously with each
other.
I, it's, it's just, uh, thebeauty of god's design has not
only strengthened my faith, butit's just made me to where I'm

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like I can't, I can't listen toanybody's um interpretation of
the science.
That's anything other than that, because it just doesn't make
sense.

Right, right, yeah, that just sounds like an
incredible experience, for sure.
Any any topics that you got orfeedback you got that's been
controversial.
Love to know where you getpushback.

Yeah, I think the biggest pushback.

I mean we get people online, of course, Right,
You're going to get people inthe comments saying, oh no, you
that do you?
I'm kidding man.
It's like non-stop.

That's what they call the lord.
They call the lord like oh,here we go, more people talking
about sky daddy, and you justsee the amount of people that do
the very thing that they'reaccusing us of right you accuse
us of using our worldview,looking through it and then in
the world is the pattern ever.
Chaos creates order, Right, andso I'm just like those people

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that call us like crazyChristians or anything like that
.
They're committing the veryatrocity that they're accusing
us of.

That's right.
That's right I thought about.
I went through a study a coupleyears ago about the case for
Christ Lee Strobel.
You know all that type of stuff.
It's just, it's awesome, it's,it's good to lean in and when
you try to take it from, uh, youknow, objectively, you know
what is, what is the evidence,say that's kind of what's his
approach.
It sounds like you're doingsomething very similar with the

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science.
It's because it can be reallyfun conversations if you, you
know, just come into it with anopen mind yeah, yeah, it's the
whole concept of what is themost likely answer here you know
, Right, there's a story of soAlbert Einstein.

he was creating the equation for general
relativity and as he wascreating it or discovering it
really not creating it, but itshowed the the universe was
expanding, but he, he, didn'tbelieve that, he believed in.
A lot of scientists believe atthe time that everything was

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static, it was eternal uh-huhand um.
So he added this thing calledthe fudge factor to it to
basically say, no, it was static, it is static, so it's always
been here.
And then Hubble was actuallyfinding out and figuring out
that the universe was expanding,that there was a beginning

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point, but Einstein didn't likethat.
He didn't like that.
It sounded too much likeGenesis, right.
And so then him and Hubble hada conversation.
You know they talked, theyexchanged, you know what the
research was.
And Einstein, after gettingwith Hubble, came to the
conclusion that the greatestblunder, not even of his

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research or of his career, thegreatest he said it verbatim the
greatest blunder of my life wasthat he added that fudge factor
because of what he believedright and so edwin hubbell was
correct that there was abeginning point, and then so
science as a whole.
Eventually now all agree thatthere's a beginning point.
But there was a point wherethey thought, no, that's like

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pitchfork, that's too much likethe christians right.
Reality, that's what thescience points to.

It's always funny when science catches up,
right?

Yeah, when you're talking about one of the
greatest minds ever, he himselfhad an issue with letting your
worldview dictate what youbelieve about science.
So if he did that, as someonewho's committed his life to the
truth, to the evidence, how easyis it for us lay people to do
that?
And how much should we checkour hearts, because the heart is

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deceitful?

amen to that brother, we we also have I know,
alan, the guys who listen tothe show a lot of christian
leaders.
Maybe they're leading smallgroups or or, or you know, youth
groups and things like that.
How could this type of contentmaterial be used in a group
setting?
I mean, would it be benefit forgroup setting?
Is it made more for one-on-onefamily like?
Give us some some insightsthere as we created it.

What we wanted was to make it.
You know, god's, god's grace isaccessible to all of us, right,
and?
And he wants us to be incommunity, but he also wants us
to have individual relationshipswith him.
And we had the same philosophywith this is that we want it
accessible to all, and so if youhave a homeschool and it's just
you and one kid like, go for it.

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You know, or if you just wantto learn it for yourself, go for
it.
We also designed it to whereyou can have a youth group of
200 people and be able to do itwith all the boys and girls,
break them up into groups,whatever you need, but there's
discussion questions in theworkbook that you can walk them
through and give thosediscussion uh, those leader guys
, to your, to your youth leadersokay so any setting really we

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have, the academic workbook isthe one that we deliver.
But we are working on a churchguide because throughout the
videos, because intelligentdesign, we designed it to the
videos to be more academic in asense so that nobody could say
you're trying to implement orput in your worldview.
But we do have a workbook we'reworking on that can be utilized

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easily for churches.

Okay, yeah, that's awesome.
So the workbook's going to beexciting.
I mean, where do you think it'sgoing to evolve next as you
keep diving into topics Like doyou have a way for people to
submit ideas or questions?

I mean on our website you can put contact us
and then send us an email andgive us your ideas.
Um, so, if somebody wanted togive us ideas, we're always open
to them.
We we talked to discoveryinstitute, which most most of
those scientists are fromDiscovery Institute a lot to
just get their wisdom andknowledge and guidance on where
to go next.
And so, yeah, if people areoverwhelmingly interested with

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certain topics, we of coursewant to go that way.
Right, because we want toengage the culture, right, and
are we discipling you well ifwe're not engaging what you're
interested in?

Right, right, right, exactly, exactly.
So I'm just curious when youlook at the state of education
now, so much of the Christianworldview just completely just
gets taken out.
Yeah, what do you think we needto start doing as men to start
correcting that, particularly aswe lead our families?

Yeah, yeah.
I think we just need to beinvolved first of all.
Right, I remember working withsome families in the system of
care and also just locally, andone of the things that they said
is seeing a man at school islike seeing a unicorn and just
changing that narrative right,that dad is involved, and I

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think that that narrative ischanging.
I think men have stepped up andare stepping up.
So I think number one is beingmore involved, because it's hard
to when you see 30 dads show upand say, hey, like I want to be
part of the school board, youknow, or I want to and just
being more involved in makingsure that what education is

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pushing isn't just one narrative, you know.
So when it comes to science,advocating for the school that
you have your kid in to teachneo-Darwinism fine, because
that's something that peoplebelieve, but teach it critically
.
Show the holes.
Let us know that there's otheroptions Instead of teaching my
kid that this is once and forall just this, because if you

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just believe that life ispurposeless, there's no meaning,
we come from no one, okay, thenyour morals don't have a
foundation either.
And now we get really messywith our society.

Right, I just know there's so many dads I talk
to that when you get intocertain topics like this like
some dads love helping theirkids with math homework, like
they're really good at math,other dads hate math.
The last thing they want to dois jump into algebra for a
seventh grader, right.
But science can be intimidating, particularly from a Christian

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worldview.
Like, I mean, a kid asks youwell, what about the dinosaurs?
And lots of times there's somany Christian dads that just at
that point they're out, I don'tknow.
So, like the science dilemma,would it help you there?
Or what would you say to thatdad?

So episode four with Dr Casey Luskin.
He talks about the colossalrecord.
Okay, and that's what I wouldsay for dads is lean into the
fact that you don't know, andand just be honest, right, like
you don't have to be scared, youdon't have to be the expert,
like I'm very unapologetic withthe fact on the science dilemma

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on our social media platforms.
Um, when I, when I'm a guest ona podcast and I'm not not an
expert, I am not your scientist.
I don't have a PhD, nor do Ieven have a bachelor's in
science, but I am a human and soI should care about this part
of being a human right.

Sure.

Because it impacts the way that I view the
world.
It impacts the way that Idisciple my kids.
Just being able to know thatGod's hand in all of this is
like his thumbprint is on all ofthis right, and so that's what
I would say to dads is like leaninto just the fact that you're

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normal.
Like if you don't have a subjectthat you, if you like every
subject, then you'd be crazylike you'd be abnormal.
Like every subject, then you'dbe crazy, like you'd be abnormal
.
Um, so, with that you haveaccess to the internet,
hopefully.
If you do, then utilize that todisciple your kids, in that
sense, love it, man.

And you mentioned the fossil record, so
give us, give that dad who's?
Who's on his, on the edge ofthe seat right now, like what,
what's?
How does that help him out whenhe start answering that
question?

so there's the idea of the.
So it's the cambrian, cambrianexplosion, right?
so these different species offlowers and in different um
parts of the fossil record,where it's this explosion of
similar species, it's not thisgradual change you don't see

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that in the fossil record oflike millions of years of of
things developing into like achange, what you see is
explosions of almost, almost, asif someone put it there and so
it.
For me, at least, when I seethat and I interpret it, it
sounds more like a Genesisaccount with an explosion of

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fossils.
So for dad, he's able to lookat his kid and say, hey, that
t-shirt of the monkey turninginto the human.
That's not what the evidenceshows.
The evidence doesn't show usthat.
And even if they say, oh, wefound one missing link, I mean
you're talking about billionsand billions of humans.
How do we not have millions atleast, or thousands of missing

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links?
You know right?
So, yeah, the fossil recordjust kind of showing us that
there's these all at once, thesethings coming into play, not
necessarily gradually and that'sidea and we have some fun
animations that the kids can see.

That's super awesome.
That's great.
Thank you for sharing that,alan.
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So, al, you mentioned anotherfun project that's really near
and dear to your heart as well.
Do you want to share with ourlisteners about that?

Yeah, it's separate from the Science
Dilemma.
It's for another organizationcalled man Up, but basically we
have a podcast called the PatrosPodcast and that's just where
we mobilize men to fight for thefatherless and the mission of
the Patros Podcast is to embracehealthy masculinity, obviously
through the lenses of scripture.

Right.

We have curriculum, we have all that I
can send it to you, but it'sjust.
You know, one of our series iscalled man as and we have
curriculum that we've used formen in Uganda, in the United
States, that we've just engagedthose in the community because
we believe that all the ailmentsof society point back to

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fatherlessness and so when menare biblically engaged with
their families and theirchildren and their communities,
everybody flourishes right.
And so we created the man ascurriculum and series and that's
with like tony, dungy, kb andsome other big names, but just
godly men in general.

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And then we have the CounterKingdom, which we filmed last
year with the Ohio State team.
So Mecca Buka, all these guysthat are talking about Jesus,
trey, tj, like these guys, or JT, these guys are all in the
video.
That's awesome.
Yeah, so it's cool because wegot to hang out with them before

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the season.
And then as you know, we'rewatching them go through their
journey and just talking aboutJesus on the biggest platform of
college football.

That's pretty incredible.
It was a good year to connectwith those guys.

Yeah, and the thing is I don't care about
football, nor do I watch it, um,and I appreciate it, like I
appreciate the sport, the art ofit, but it's just never been my
thing.
And so I'm like meeting allthese guys they're solid guys,
they love jesus and just havingreal conversations, but then I

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have friends that love footballand they're like, dude, do you,
do you know who this is?
And I was like no, I reallydon't care, but that's cool.
I just know that he loves Jesus, and that's what I like.

That's pretty awesome.
That is great.
It sounds like your heart andyour mission there.
It's such alignment with whatwe're doing here and I think the
science projects as well asthis one, you know, there's just
so much of a call for men totake some of the leadership role
that God created us to have.
So just hats off to you.
What's been the funnest part ofthat work so far?

Altogether.
Just, my biggest goal in mycareer as a whole is to see
people impacted by the gospel.
To see people impacted by thegospel, like before the science
dilemma happened I had.
I had prayed to the lord andsaid, god, I don't know how you
want to use my desire to likeit's weird to want to be in

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front of a camera, right, sure,but I do have a desire for that.
And, and I had to strugglethrough lord, why do I desire
that?
Is that prideful, is it not?
Um?
Is it necessarily wrong orright, or god?
Do I just want to do thatbecause I want to disciple
people in in unique ways.
And so I just had a realconversation with god about that
.

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Like you know, strip me of thepride if there's there, but if,
if you believe, like, if youknow that this can be used for
people and for good and for thekingdom, then god, use me in
whatever way that you need tolike, I'll follow that direction
.
And so I wasn't the sciencewizard that in school, where,

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you know, I was the guy, I'mjust normal, but I've always
understood the marriage betweenscience and world, and that's
why I was just like okay, god,these doors are opening, um, the
connection to these, you know,high level scientists is right,
right here in front of me.
Um, let me just keep saying yesto you guys and, and just you

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know, uh, because this is goingto impact discipleship of the
next generation and, as a, Ibelieve that it's our goal to be
the priest of our home.
We need to provide, but part ofprovision is spiritual
provision, and so how do I helpother families provide for their
kids in this way?
And so that's what God openedthe doors for is creating

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content for them to disciple.

I'm super curious because with a passion
like that, alan, it sounds likethat was planted in your heart
at a very early potentially inyour discipleship journey.
So walk us through what yourpersonal discipleship journey
looked like Like when did youget saved?
Who was discipling you?
Like love to hear that.

Yeah, so I love the fact that I have a boring.
I don't I don't think it'sboring, but I don't have like a
rebellious crazy Sure, you know,like I went on a bender, for I
don't have any of that when Iwas so.
I grew up without my dad andthat's probably why I'm so
passionate about OK.
Fatherhood and fatherlessness.
So James 127.

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And where where god also, wheregod says you know to engage the
um, widow and the orphan.
But other scripture too, aboutgod being my father.
So my, I didn't grow up with mydad.
I met him when I was like eightand that obviously had a big
void in my life and then henever really stepped into being
the dad I needed him to be.
And so I heard about this campone day in Miami my uncle did,

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and we ended up going to thiscamp, me and my sister, with our
cousins.
My dad actually paid for itbecause my mom told them like
hey, you're going to pay forthis and so he did, which was
great.
And so we go to this camp, findit's a christian camp in miami
and they start preaching thegospel.
And I was catholic, so Ithought me and god were good,

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which shout out to any catholics.
But, um, whatever part of thedoctrines of catholicism that I
believe they were not correct,you know, um.
And so I go up to the pastorand I say, hey, I've done my
communion, am I good?
And he was like that's not,that doesn't change your
relationship, like eating bread.
And so I go up to the pastorand I say, hey, I've done my
communion, am I good?
And he was like that's not,that doesn't change your
relationship, like eating breadand drinking grape juice doesn't

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change your relationship.
So at that point I'm in sixthgrade and I'm like hold up, I
need to be good with God, right?
So I go home and I'm like, hey,mom, this Christian camp, they,
they have a Christian school.
I need to learn more aboutJesus.
And we didn't have any, like wedon't have no money, she, we

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lived below the poverty line,all that stuff.
So she was like let me see, letme go to the business office.
And, and we did, we got ascholarship for myself and my
sister and I always joke aroundcause she hated me at the time
for making her transfer school.

Right.

But so from sixth grade, so at seventh grade, I I
, one of the preachers had saidlike don't trust anybody with
the Bible, like read it foryourself.
And so I was like, well, I'mnot going to trust you guys on
my salvation journey either.
Then, Like you're all tellingme this is the easy, simple
salvation path.
I don't, I'm not going tobelieve it.

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So then, from seventh grade to11th grade, I mean I just was in
the word, like every day youcouldn't catch me doing math
homework, I was.
I was doing Bible study andwatching sermons.
Like every night I had at leastone sermon in the chamber.
And finally, at 11th grade, Iended up.

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I just understood like, okay, Iunderstand these things all on
an academic level.
Now, on a heart level, Irealized the epitome of
understanding what grace is andall that is.
I'm nothing.
I need Jesus, but thetransaction of justification is

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God.
My life belongs to you.
This isn't just hell insurance.
This is, Jesus Like you are sogood and I'm so depraved that I
need you, I want you and I amyours.
And that happened in 11th gradeand from that point on, I mean,
my life has just been focusedon ministry, discipleship and

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all that, and so my discipleshipjourney was just different men
that poured into me along theway.
Right, there's two differentguys, different seasons of life
Freddie and another guy's, Louthat genuinely took me under
their arms and showed me what itwas to be a father.
A husband took me into theirhomes at bedtime with their kids

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in front of me to instruct thatin me.
It just modeled masculinity forme.

So, yeah, and that's what it's all about.
Right, it sounds like thoseguys.
That's discipleship Taking thetime to model it, to show it.
You mentioned, as you wentthrough, you had this personal
drive and I think that's awesomethat you spent that much time
in the Word.
Every day there's dads outthere that wish their seventh
grader would just be like youknow, spend time studying the

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Bible.

Sometimes the lack of something makes you so
thirsty for it.
You know, Right, right.

But I think, well, sometimes the lack of
something makes you so thirstyfor it.
You know, right, right, but Ithink so many times too.
I love to know your, your talk,your thoughts here, like
salvation, too often from achurch setting, you know the big
c church that's.
It's almost like that's thefinish line and I'm like no, no,
no, salvation.
That's the start line and thenyou got sanctification and
mortification and ultimatelytrying to get the glorification
when we go to be with him.

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But it takes a reframe somewhatof yes, we've got to share the
gospel, We've got to get them tothe start line, not the finish.
We're working through thefinish line, all of us together,
every day, and it just soundslike, man, you had some guys
that were pouring into your lifethat recognized that to be true
, and thus they were takingthese actions and helping you.

Yeah, yeah, I remember asking them because
when I started discipling mypeers and then eventually
discipling guys younger than me,I was getting frustrated.
And so I went to the guys thatmentored me and discipled me and
I was like, why did you give meso much of your time, like we
were getting together regularly,right, that mentored me and
discipled me and I was like,why'd you give me so much of
your time, like we were gettingtogether regularly, right?
They?

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They both, both of my main guyssaid like dude, you just like
how do you not pour into someonethat wants it this bad, you
know?
And so then there was thisthought of like sometimes you
have to pour into the peoplethat are like wanting to get
poured into, you know.
And obviously there's likethere's there's guys you chased

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and then there's guys that arejust always going to just
they're going to peck at you andbe like hey, I have another
question, can you help me?
But one thing that I tell myguys that I disciple whether
they're friends or just peoplethat I engage with is there's
one thing to say that you wantto be discipled by somebody.
There's another thing to likegive them the sword and say, hey

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, I'm going to follow your leadand I'm going to trust it, you
know.
And so there's times where theguys that discipled me, they
wanted me to do something thatlike, like may do something, or
they had a perspective on mysituation that I didn't agree
with.
And I would lay my perspectiveat the ground and say I'm going

(44:48):
to follow your lead, right, youknow where that's hard for men,
that's hard for us to be like Idisagree with you, so I'm going
to do it my way.
And I was like, but I was like,who am I to think that I know
better?
When you're you got everythingthat I want and it all lines
with scripture.
So I'm going to follow yourlead, even when I disagree.
And and I try to tell guys thatis like, if you really want it

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bad, you have to lay your prideto the side, right, that doesn't
mean you don't think critically, but Right.

But the pride of life, right that's.
That's a that's hard to laythat to the side.
I mean the evil one, that's atool, that for guys, that's a
tough one.
You're asking guys to, yeah, togive up right there what's the
whole?

I mean, lying with them right is like a lion
there's, there's this, they're,they're so powerful.
I mean it takes one bad day,right for a lion to then also be
so dangerous.

Right.

And so, as men, god has not only given us the
Holy Spirit to control us, butwe have to know what we're
capable of and put the peoplearound us to keep us from that
danger.
Right, we're capable of, andput the people around us that
keep us from that danger youknow, right, yeah, so I think
that that was powerful in mylife was just people willing to

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take the time to disciple me.

Amen to that.
And you mentioned too.
It's like it's easy to getfrustrated as you grow and you
want to disciple others, andI've seen this in myself as well
.
As others that come to the lion, but you know it's the old.
Well, as others that come tothe lion, but you know it's the
old, you can't.
You can lead a horse to water,you can't make them drink.
But the ones that are thirstyman like that, there's the ones
you have to work with and thenyou keep offering it to the
others, but eventually you knowit has to be their personal

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decision too to to want to.
You know, have that engagementwith you.
So I just appreciate yousharing that yeah, no, I think
that.

I think that's so spot on.
It's just like if I'm trying togive somebody water and I'm
wasting so much, I'm spilling alot of water because they won't
drink it, right.

Right.

Now I'm not going to have water for people that
are actually thirsty.

And it's also too like.
It's a delicate balance too,and I'd love to get your take on
this of like doing what god'scalling us to do, to serve
others and help at the same time, like you can't throw your
pearls before swine, so at somepoint, like, if the guys not
want to listen, yeah, you know,you don't stop loving them, you
keep trying to encourage them,but you can't let that, you know
, bring you down.

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You have to keep going to theguys that are out there.
So I don't know how you balancethat is.
For me, it's a, it's aspirit-led thing and at some
point, yeah you know, I justhave to just walk away.

That's hard you know it's, it's very, I think.
I think what we as men couldwork on is having the
conversation when we wash ourhands of it and so sometimes we
wash our hands of it and don'tsay this is why I'm washing my
hands, right, because we don'tknow how to sometimes manage
those emotions of likefrustration.
So we don't want to get in ablow up fight, but we also don't

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want to, like you know, keepdoing this.
So how do we have like anemotionally healthy conversation
with another man and say, hey,I'm trying my best to help you,
but you don't seem like you wantit and so I'm not abandoning
you.
I think you've abandonedyourself and I can't help you
until you're ready?
And then, so, yeah, I know, Iagree with you.

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I actually me and a buddy ofmine he's a pastor, my church
like had a conversation recentlybecause he chases guys and and
I admire that about him, I'm notchasing you, like I just that's
not me, and I think that someof it is conviction, like we
have different convictions andthe Holy Spirit helps us

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navigate those, and so Ipersonally am not going to chase
a guy six times and try to gethim in his word Because I just
don't Like.
It's not that I don't have thepatience, I just don't think
you're there.
Yet I have a differentphilosophy on discipleship than
my friend and I don't thinkeither of us is doing it right
or wrong.
I think we're doing it the waythat God's calling us to.

Right and I think I agree with you there.
I also agree that having theconversation I don't know if
it's the cell phone, it's thenew generation, that's what no
one wants to do and that's themost important thing of having a
conversation of like, yeah, I'mnot turning my back on your
brother, but you know it'syou're not, I'm not being

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received and I and I want youknow I have to go help over here
, but I'm here for point.
They may come back but, liketoo often, we'll wash our hands,
like you said, and we want totell them.
You know we, just we just sothey create a narrative right
that's right.
Yeah, you know, and I don'tthink that does anything to draw
them closer to christ at somepoint, as anything we may become

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by those actions a stumblingblock for them, it's like, no,
we can't do that yeah, no,exactly, and I think that that's
, at the end of the day, like,like.

When it comes to discipleship, it all lands on
relationship, right, and sothat's why, even with the
science dilemma, like, as wedesigned it, it's not just like,
and I think that there's valuein reading a book, there's a
value in just watching videos,but we wanted it to be based on
community discipleship, like ifyou watch these videos.

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There's a workbook that you canengage with other people in this
, and it's a topic that causesyou to have a tool belt for when
you engage in relationship withothers, and so I think that
that's one of the that is otherthan, obviously, jesus, but even
Jesus created this is likerelationship is at the core of
discipleship, and so when wecreate content, when you have a
podcast that has a community,it's all based around like

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relationships.

That's right, a hundred percent.
We're going to take our lastbreak, guys.
We'll come back and wrap upwith Alan.
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So this has been so much fun.

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This is going to be a great one, but before we wrap up, let's
do it.
We always do a little funlightning round at the end of
every episode.
You know we get to kind of justunpack some fun topics with you
.
So if you're willing to playalong, we'll jump right into it.

Yeah, yeah, hopefully I don't sound like an
idiot.

Oh, no bro.
No bro, we haven't lost apatient yet, man.
So what's a hobby, what'ssomething that you enjoy doing
for fun?

I love playing basketball, I love making music
and what else.
I mean I just love being aroundpeople, Like the other day.
I was like do I have any likeunique hobbies but videography
and photography?

were my hobbies until they became career Right.

So like my hobbies kind of intersect, but
I'd say outside of that would bebasketball, lifting weights and
community.

Nice, nice.
So did you play basketball inhigh school, or like any High
school?
Yeah?

I didn't play in college.
I went to like a smallChristian college, and so I was
very adamant about the fact thatif I'm not going to get a
scholarship for this, I'm notgoing to do it, and so the
school didn't give scholarshipsfor later sports, so I just
wasn't going to do that.

What position do you play?

In high school I kind of played power forward
because we were like a smallteam and at the time I could
jump high, um.
So I'd go between small forward, uh, and small forward and
power forward, and I mean todayit's basically positionless.
Right, basketball has nopositions today that's right

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what I played at the time.

Yeah, okay, fair enough.
So what's uh?
What's your favorite sportsteam?

I always go Miami Heat, Heat okay, yeah, any
college teams that you pull for.
I've never been a big collegeperson, but because I'm from
Miami, I've always said the U,right, right, other than the?
U.
Now it's Ohio State, justbecause of the guys.

Yeah, you have that connection there now right.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I love that.
So what about favorite food?
What's your go-to?

Oh, man steak all day.

All day.

I'm Brazilian and Japanese, so you have you know,
like I haven't even had a Wagyubecause they're so expensive.
But yeah, all we do is steak inthose communities or I mean for
Brazilians at least so steakhas always been my go-to I hear
you buddy.

I hear you Awesome.
What about your all-time likefavorite movie?
Go back in the and then go backmachine Like where are you
going to?

There's a very I mean, they're not.
They aren't movies that I'drecommend for people, but, like,
growing up there were moviesthat like, for some reason, I
resonated with or something, butI'm one of them is too fast,
too furious.
And I probably based out ofMiami.

Okay, okay.

And then what's another one that I oh, and then
what's another one that I oh,and then, um, what's the one
with will smith?
I know it's off the top of mytongue, but it's with him and
jayden smith.
Uh, pursuit of happiness okay Ithought that was a good one.
I don't my my.
My takes on movies aren'tsophisticated at all like there.

It's just what emotionally connected to me I
got you yeah, and you'vementioned music a few times now
too, so like what type of musicare you?
You know, if you pull upwhatever you're listening to um.

Just hip-hop like I'm yeah, just hip-hop.

Raised, born and bred I got you and so christian
hip-hop, traditional like whatdo you listen to there?

what I listen to.
I listen to everything.
Um, if I listen to secular,it's with the thought process of
what do people believe?
I believe that rappers arephilosophers and so, in the same
way that you would read aphilosophical article from
somebody that's a thinker, Ibelieve that because hip-hop, or

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just artists in general, haveso much cultural pull probably
more than philosophers todaythat like understanding what
they're saying is thenunderstanding what people are
believing, and so when I listento secular hip-hop, it gives me
insight on like this is whatpeople agree with um and then

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christian hip-hop.
I just I love christian hip-hop,yeah well, who do you have a
favorite?
uh christian hip-hop artist andymenio is my top guy period, um,
and then I think for me it'sandy menio and kb, for different
reasons.
I think they're both extremelytalented, but I don't think
anybody could hang with andywhen it comes to creativity.

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Yeah, just the ability tocreate like a world.
When he comes out with content.
He doesn't just make the songs,he makes, like he creates you
know a whole narrative.
Um, and then kb, just I mean Ilove his music, I love the
florida you know in them and allthat stuff too, but like he's
just such a solid Christianexample and his music I mean

(57:24):
yeah, no, you can always likejust ride to his music.
So those are my top two guys inCHH.

There you go, there you go.
That's awesome.
So think about you knowsuperpowers.
If you could get one, alan,what, what, what superpower
would you pick and how would youuse it?
Brother?

So my answer to this is always being able to
multiply myself and all of thosethings, because I have big FOMO
.
I'm that guy that alwaysdoesn't want to miss out, so I
hate saying no to you so that Ican hang out with you.
I'd want to just say yes toeverybody and go experience all
of that Fair enough.

Fair enough.
So you've been asked thatbefore you are all over.
So you've been asked thatbefore You're all over.
That answer, man, that's it.

That's my go to superpower.
Some people always say thatit's like prideful, but I'm like
no, I just, I genuinely don'twant to miss out of any of this.
You know, and that's probablymy biggest frustration with
being finite.

Right, right, that's right.

Is that we can?
Can't you know?

you can't be omnipresent well, if you think
back the last 12 months, wheredid you spend too much time at?
Did you waste time anywhere?

I would say, ah man, that's good.
I probably say like TV at timesI'm not somebody that watches
TV daily.
It's probably because I know mylimits and I know my tendencies
.
If I come across a good murdermystery show or something like

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that, I'm going to binge thatthing for two days.
That's probably what it isEvery few months if I catch
myself, that's what happens.
It's just that.
But I don't watch tv like daily, which is you know there you go
.

That's probably a good habit there.
So what do you?
What do you think about?
About god alan, like what'syour favorite thing about him?

oh, my goodness, um, I have so many things, but
right now especially so I justbecame, so we just adopted uh
okay um our twins are adopted,and then our.
We just had a biological son umthe same month that we adopted,
and so oh wow, yeah, a lotgoing on yeah, we got three in

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one month.
We've had the twins for twoyears, though, so, um, but out
of fostering.
But it's, it's god's patience,man, yeah, like I'd say his
patience.
So maybe the core of it is hishumility, like he doesn't have
to endure what we make himendure he doesn't have to take

(01:00:01):
our questions.
He doesn't, he doesn't need toengage in the silly thought
process that we have, or how Iget frustrated with certain
friends of mine when they're notcritically thinking on purpose,
because they actually do wantto sin or they do want to do the
thing that they want to.
God knows the deepest innermotives in us and still engages

(01:00:22):
in the conversation where I'vetold my friends like yo call me
when you're ready, like rightnow, like god doesn't do that to
us.
He's, he's like engaging in theprocess and just graciously
doing that with us.
Um, he doesn't tell us to stopasking, he doesn't tell us to
stop saying my name.
Like parents will do right.
If a kid says like dad, dad,dad, dad, eventually we're like

(01:00:46):
hey, one time, and then you waitand god actually does the
opposite.
He's like, say it again, youknow that's right and that's
what I've grown.
Um, just yeah, like I'verecognized the goodness and the
humility of god to want toengage us and and have pleasure,
take pleasure in us even thoughwe're like so annoying that's

(01:01:12):
really good.

Chris Grainger (01:01:12):
That's it.
You're all over it.
Now let's flip it 180.
What's your least favoritething about the evil one?

Allan Pereira (01:01:20):
he knows too much he's been around too long and
because of that he is sostrategic in how he can attack
us and I think so often, whenyour enemy like that's, that's,
uh, like I think I'm not, I'm nowar expert, but like battle 101
is know your enemy, right, um,there's not a ton of scripture

(01:01:44):
on him to where we can know himenough, and I think that that
might be strategic in scriptureis that you just need to know
enough to stay away.
Right, just flee, just obey,obey, in that sense, just flee.
I'm not going to tell you theins and outs of Satan, I'm not
going to tell you his strategies.
I'm just going to tell you hisstrategies.
I'm just going to tell youenough to let you know he's not
good Flee, and if you can't obeythat, then you're already

(01:02:06):
wrecked.

That's right.

And so I think my least favorite thing is that he
knows too much about us.

Amen to that, bro, amen.
Well, the last question for you, alan, is what do you hope the
listeners remember the most fromour conversation?

today, man, that at the core of everything,
whether it's Patros, whetherit's the science dilemma, which
is obviously like why we're here, but is that anything that you
do, that it would be centeredaround worshiping Jesus Christ
as Lord.
And so, even when it'ssomething is what we believe is

(01:02:43):
like you know, hey, that's silly.
Like why would I do sciencewith my kids?
Like no, everything that you dowith your children is going to
impact them in ways that will befor the rest of their life.
So you're building thisfoundation in their relationship
with jesus.
And so when it's the sciencedilemma, it's you know, hey, I'm
I'm just making sure that youknow that there's no way that

(01:03:03):
there's not a God.

Right.

And I need you to foundationally understand that
so that when God is engaging youand God is trying to prick your
heart, you listen and know thathe's God.
So I would say it's time.

Amen, brother, amen.
Well, where do you want to sendthe listeners out there to
connect with you?
The Science Dilemma, all yourother, just you have your hands
on so many different things, butjust give us some shout outs
here.

Yeah, so so personally, AlanCP1 is my
Instagram handle and then AlanCPon YouTube AlanCP on.
Youtube and then the ScienceDilemma just that on Instagram,
youtube, facebook, or you can goto our website,
thesciencedilemmacom, if youwant to engage with us and

(01:03:51):
download all the content there.

Okay, fair enough, we'll have that stuff in
the show notes for ourlisteners out there.
Alan, this has been great, Imean.
Thank you so much.
We'll be praying for you andthe science of limb as you keep
things keep evolving.
We'll have to keep an eye onyou and see how things are going
there.

Thank you, chris, appreciate you.

You have a great day, sir.

God bless you.

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All right, guys, I told youthat was gonna be a fun one.
So thankful for Alan to come onthe show again go to the show
notes and check out the linksand all that stuff for the
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the fun projects that Alan hasgoing on connect with him on
social media, all those channelsthere as well, fellas, and just
a fun conversation for an oldguy out of Florida.
So, again, so thankful for himand guys.
The question of the week that Iwanted to kind of leave you
with as we close up here todayis where is God calling you to
trust?

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Versus that understanding?
That's difficult, right?
I mean, just to be honest, it'shard to trust versus we want to
know.
Guys want to know, SometimesGod's calling you just to trust,
and the trust that's wherefaith comes in.
Fellas, I know you can do it.
I know the evil one doesn'twant you to do it, but I just
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from the evil one.
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