June 4, 2025 • 52 mins
Are you certain you're on the narrow road to salvation? Or could you be among those who attend church faithfully yet remain spiritually unchanged? This eye-opening conversation with Bible teacher Daniel Ochoa delves into the moment he realized his church attendance wasn't enough to secure his standing with God.
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Chris Grainger (00:03):
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So the scripture of the weekthis week is Hebrews, chapter 3,
verse 13.
It says but encourage oneanother daily, as long as it's
called today, so that none ofyou may be hardened by sin's
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Okay, so today's guest is DanielOcho.
He is a dedicated Bible teacher.
He wrote the book Time isRunning Out Wonderful book.
He's got 25 years of experienceguys studying and teaching
God's word in God's word and hereally started with a nice
reflection and realizationaround salvation and that led
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him to teach across manydifferent church settings and
types of environments.
And he's really big fellas,just so you know, on end times,
prophecy, eschatology, andthat's what inspired this book.
So anyways, fellas, this isgoing to be a fun conversation.
Daniel's a great guy.
Fun fact, he was a formerbodybuilder as well, so he still
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hits the gym pretty hard, buthopefully you're going to enjoy
this conversation.
Thank you guys.
Well, daniel, welcome to theLion Within Us.
How are you doing today, sir?
Daniel Ochoa (02:05):
I am doing well, Chris.
How are you doing?
I'm doing good.
Chris Grainger (02:08):
Doing good.
It's a beautiful day here inNorth Carolina.
What was it like there in Texastoday?
Daniel Ochoa (02:13):
Oh, we had a very hard.
My God, I messed up.
You're good Start over.
Okay, oh, we had a severe, giveme a second.
We had a severe thunderstormcome in last night so we had a
little bit of damage with sometrees and some bushes and stuff
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like that, but other than that,the sun's out now and things are
looking good.
Chris Grainger (02:41):
There you go.
There you go.
Well, looking forward tohearing talking with you about
your book and unpacking some ofthe things I know is important
to you.
But before we do any of that,maybe what's something fun about
you that not many people knowabout?
Daniel.
Daniel Ochoa (02:54):
Oh man, I guess I love to drive my Harley Davidson
.
Chris Grainger (02:59):
Okay, Well, I'm a Harley guy too.
I used to be.
We moved to the farm, so I'm aJohn Deere guy right now.
What kind of Harley do you ride?
I have a Heritage.
That's what I used to ride I'vehad a couple of.
Heritage Softails.
I'd love it.
I'm thinking about trading itin for a Fatboy.
Okay, I like the windshield man.
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I don't know if you keep thewindshield on your heritage or
not but well, that's the thing.
Daniel Ochoa (03:27):
That's the reason I didn't buy the fat boy.
It's because it didn't have thewindshield, didn't have the
saddlebag.
Chris Grainger (03:32):
So if I do exchange it for a fat boy, I
want one that already has thewindshield and the saddlebag
well, man, in that case justkeep your heritage buddy I just
like the big fat tire in theback of the fat boy oh yeah, oh
yeah, I'm just picking, but Ithink, harley, when they, when
they put the heritage soft chairtogether, whatever that group
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of engineers was, when theydesigned it, they hit it on the
head.
I mean, it's a beautiful bikeand it rides so good it is, love
it.
My dad still has a heritage, bythe way.
I love, I just love those bikes.
Awesome man.
Well, it's good to have afellow harley rider one day.
When my kids get out the housethat's my wife and I say so.
Our littlest one is two, so wesay, you know, when he's out of
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high school then we're gonna getback on the harleys you know,
so there you go.
Well, I'm super pumped to haveyou here and you know you took
the time to write this book.
Time is Running Out.
Am I really in good standingwith God?
And maybe walk the listenersthrough?
You know why the urge to writea book like this and what you
know what was the drive behindit?
Daniel Ochoa (04:37):
Well, in my early thirties I found myself
attending church, and I had beenattending church for about six
years and one Sunday morning Iwas sitting during the sermon
and the pastor was talking aboutthe road to heaven and hell,
and for some reason I picturedlike an eight-lane highway
during rush hour and all thetraffic on that eight-lane was
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the road to hell and theoff-ramp was the road to heaven.
And I kept hearing a voice.
It was my own voice, so itwasn't a voice from God or
anything, but my conscience justkept asking myself what makes
you think you're on thatoff-ramp?
Because you go to church,because you own a Bible and you
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go to Sunday school class.
And it really bothered me for along time.
And then one day I asked mypastor if we could meet for
lunch and we met and heexplained the gospel to me.
But then he said something thatno one else has ever explained
to me.
He said you have to understandthere's a cost to follow Jesus,
and he used a couple ofscripture verses to back that up
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.
And then he said now, living inAmerica, it may not cost you
your life like it does in otherparts of the world, he said, but
it could cost you some of yourfriends, it could cost you some
of your family members, couldcost you your job.
You know a certain job, he said.
But there's a cost to followJesus.
And I'm telling you, chris, thelight bulb went off and that
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night I got on my knees, Iprayed to God to be fully
committed to start following himand I realized, yeah, there was
a cost, you know, because nowit was costing me my time, it
was costing me my finances, itwas costing me some of my
friends.
But I started thinking how manyother people are just like me,
thinking they're in goodstanding with God, when they're
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not?
And so I had this desire toreach more people because, from
that moment of becoming a truefollower of Christ, I witnessed
to everybody I could, and I feltthat I had a gift for it,
because I never offended peopleand I never just walked up to
people and started witnessing,but anybody I would talk to if a
door opened up.
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I was sharing the gospel and Ijust wanted to do it on a bigger
scale.
And so I wrote the book.
But the reason I added Time isRunning Out, because originally
the book was just going to be amI Really in Good Standing with
God and I started the book about15 years ago and then I had a
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job opportunity that I had tomove my family to Georgia and I
was so busy with work.
The book sat on a flash drivefor about 15 years.
But the last eight years ofthose 15 years I got into
eschatology and the more Istudied, the more I realized
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that God does want us to knowwhen the end times will happen,
and that's why I devoted a wholechapter to end times, and so
the book is called Times Run Now.
But the main title, theoriginal title, was Am I Really
in Good Standing with God?
Chris Grainger (07:49):
Okay, so for your personal background, did
you grow up in the church?
I mean, just kind of give us alittle bit of that too, Like
when did you really start tobegin?
Daniel Ochoa (07:59):
My mother was Catholic.
She actually has two uncles whowere monks in the Catholic
Church in Mexico.
I grew up here in the States,though, and you know we didn't
go to.
We went to church occasionally.
We weren't fully committed, butmy mother was very committed to
the Catholic faith, but she wasmore committed to the
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traditions and some of thehistory of the Catholic church,
but she really didn't know anyof the Bible, you know, and in
my book I described how it wasChristmas morning when I
discovered there was no SantaClaus, and then that night, my,
my mother, told me the truemeaning of Christmas, but it was
so limited because of herknowledge, and so for the next
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30 years, I believe that Jesus,that God, was like Santa Claus,
that as long as you live adecent life according to what
you think is a decent life,you're fine, and in order to go
to hell, you would have to dosomething terribly wrong.
I mean, you always hear peoplesay that most people think that
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they have to earn their way toheaven, but I come to find out
as I was witnessing to people,because I've witnessed to
hundreds of people I come tofind out that's not true.
Most people believe you have toearn your way to hell, meaning
that you have to do somethinghorribly wrong in order to go to
hell.
Chris Grainger (09:25):
Yeah, isn't that crazy that the evil one has
tricked so many people thinkingthat man.
Yeah, I remember I was at arecent event talking with some
guys.
Afterwards we just got totalking about you know what
happens when you die, and theyhad questions and one of them
was like the way I see it, Ijust got to be good man.
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I'm like all right, well,what's good enough?
He's like what do you mean?
I'm like, well, what's goodenough?
Define good, bro, because mydefinition of good is probably
different than yours.
It's very subjective, and thatopened up a really good
conversation.
But I hadn't thought aboutyou're right, though, man.
People think that you just likeget in free to heaven and
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hell's reserved just for thespecial.
You know really bad offensesand what a terrible thinking man
.
Wow, well, I definitelyappreciated you sharing that
Santa Claus story, because it'seasy for us to think that he's
very distant.
You know that it's almost likehe's just mystery.
Maybe walk us through how thatconversation went with your
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mother.
Daniel Ochoa (10:37):
Well, like I said, she didn't know much, so she
just explained that Christmas isreally about the birth of Jesus
and then how he died on thecross for our sins.
So that's why Jesus felt likeSanta Claus to me.
I feel he already died for me.
I'm okay and as long as I livea decent life, I'm not hurting
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anybody, I'm not killing anybody, I was fine, and that's why
that passage that Jesus spoke inMatthew about the road to
heaven and hell, that's why ithit me so hard when Jesus said
the road to heaven is verynarrow and only a few find it.
I mean, think about it, chris.
If you were to put a percentageon that, what would it be?
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Yeah Five, oh yeah Ten of thatRight, you know, and that's why
it kept hitting me.
Why do you think you're on thatnarrow road?
Chris Grainger (11:30):
yeah, yeah, it's definitely got it's.
It's worth thinking about andhaving that self-reflection over
, and you talked about a men'sbible study.
That really helped reframe somethings for you.
So just kind of walk throughthat a little bit.
How did that help you in yourjourney?
Daniel Ochoa (11:48):
Well, once the light bulb went off, I kind of
was on fire.
It was perfect timing because afriend of mine at my church
asked me if I wanted to attend amen's BSF class called Bible
Study Fellowship.
It's only for men.
Well, they have it for women,they have it for men, but the
one that he invited me to wasjust for men.
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And I told him I would go.
But he told me he said look,just make a six-week commitment.
If after six weeks you don'tlike it, you know, stop going.
He said, but do me a favor andmake six-week commitment.
I told him I would.
And make six-week commitment?
I told him I would.
The first Monday that I went toclass there were about 400 men
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on a Monday night and it wasduring football season.
So I'm thinking to myself, youknow, wow, this is impressive.
You got Monday night footballgoing on and there's 400 men
here attending a Bible studyclass.
And I made the six-weekcommitment.
But that six weeks turned into13 years, Just going through the
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Bible, you know.
And they go through one book ayear, but they do have some
years, like, where they gothrough most of the Old
Testament.
They have one year where itgoes through all the prophets
and then but it's all the meatof the Bible and it's a very
in-depth Bible study.
Because you're accountable,they take roll call and if you
miss too many classes there's achance they may tell you that
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you can't come back.
And also you have homeworkevery week that you do
throughout the week.
That you're accountable, sowhen you show up, you go over
your homework with a small group, and so it really forced me to
really study the Bible like Inever studied it before.
Chris Grainger (13:33):
Wow, that's incredible.
So 400 guys, so that's a prettymassive setting.
So that was done like in thechurch sanctuary or something
like that.
Daniel Ochoa (13:40):
Yeah, so BSF is an organization.
Their main corporate office isin San Antonio, but they find
churches all over to host theirclasses on Mondays, and the
women do it on a different day,but for the men it's all Monday
and everyone throughout thecountry, actually throughout the
world.
So their classes are in everymajor city in the United States
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and even in small cities, andthey're in like 30 or 40
different countries, buteverybody is going through the
same lesson for that week.
Chris Grainger (14:12):
Okay, wow, so are the pastors leading that.
Daniel Ochoa (14:18):
No, it's all volunteers.
I mean, you have to work yourway up.
After about six months,somebody approached me and asked
me if I wanted to be achildren's leader, just because
they could see that I just wasexcited about learning and I was
on fire.
I wanted to learn more and Iwas eager.
So one of the instructorsapproached me and said hey, I
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like the way you come to class,I like the way you speak up.
You know you got to have somegood insight.
Would you think about becominga children's leader?
And so I told him I would thinkabout it.
And that evening I called myolder brother, manuel, because
my older brother was the onethat first got me into reading
scripture, because he is very,very smart.
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And just to give you a quickstory, when he was in his early
30s, married, some JehovahWitnesses came to his house and
he let them in and theywitnessed to him.
He didn't know much about theBible and he told his wife I
think we need to become JehovahWitnesses.
And she didn't know much eitherand she said look, you need to
do some research.
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So he went to a class that theywere given and when they were
reading something it didn'tmatch his Bible.
And so he pointed out wait aminute, that's not what my Bible
says.
And they said, well, you needto get a new Bible.
Your Bible's incorrect.
So then he thought, well, whatam I going to do?
You know, who do I trust?
So he went to college for overa year to study Hebrew and Greek
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and that's how my brother isand he found out that the
original language was correct inhis Bible.
So he went back to the classabout a year later, after he
learned all this, with theoriginal writings, and they told
them to leave and never to comeback.
And so, you know, I trusted mybrother.
You know when he, whenever Ihave questions, I will call him.
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So I asked him hey, they'reasking me to be a children's
leader.
But, man, you know, I said I'mnot equipped.
I mean, he said, dan, this isan opportunity.
They're going to give you allthe material that you need to
teach.
And so I accepted the challengeand I taught for a little over
12 years, and then that led tome teaching in churches with
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adult classes, and it just grewfrom there.
Chris Grainger (16:36):
That's incredible, daniel.
That's incredible.
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So, danny, you talked a lotabout, you know, eschatology.
What got you into that?
Daniel Ochoa (17:59):
Well, once again, it was my brother.
We worked for the same companyand he got into it just before I
did and he was always coming tomy office because his office
was right down the hall frommine.
And he said, dan, let me showyou something, let me show you
something, and I would alwaysthrow out that famous verse
Daniel, no one knows the day ofthe hour.
Why do you keep pursuing?
this and he goes no, just readthis, just read it.
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And I would read it and brushit off.
And then one day he came to myoffice and said look, I want you
to watch a couple of videos.
And I said dang.
I said, look, they missed thefirst coming of Jesus.
No one knew about his firstcoming.
What makes you think that we'regoing to know about a second
coming?
And he said that's not true.
And I said who knew?
And he said the wise men.
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And I'm telling you, chris, whenhe said that, another light
bulb went off in my head and I'mthinking they did know.
And it's like God always has asmall remnant that knows things.
And so you know, I startedlooking into it and the more I
dug, the more I found that wecan know the timing of his
return.
You know, one night I waslaying in bed when I first got
into this and I started thinkingto myself did God really leave
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us the book of Daniel, the bookof Revelation, and then say
you're never going to know them?
No, I don't think so.
And then I kept digging anddigging and all the stuff I
found I mean we can know whenhe's coming.
Chris Grainger (19:28):
So what are some of the, based off your research
, maybe what are some of themost surprising items that you
have uncovered that maybe youwant to share, and also just
share the definition ofeschatology with our listeners,
because they may not allunderstand the terminology here.
Daniel Ochoa (19:44):
Sure, eschatology just means the study of end time
.
And the thing that hit me themost is the Hosea, the Zechariah
and the Hosea prophecy.
You know Zechariah talks about,you know, when the sheep is
struck, or when the shepherd isstruck, the sheep will be
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scattered, and we know that thatties into when Jesus died on
the cross.
40 years later, israel wasscattered among the known
nations, among the known world,and that prophecy was fulfilled.
But then if you go to the Hoseaprophecy, it says you know,
after two days he will revive usand on the third day he will
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raise us up to live in hispresence.
Now, you know, you look at thatand you know great scholars in
the past have always said thatwas Jesus.
But it's clearly not Jesusbecause it says he will raise us
up, that we may live in hispresence, but they try to use it
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as Jesus on the cross and otherthings.
But you know, a lot of peoplewill ask me well, dan, what
makes you think you're smarterthan some of these great
scholars?
I'm not.
But here's the differenceWithout 1948 and Israel becoming
a nation, you would have tofind something else to make that
fit.
Because that is the key piecethat shows when we can figure
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out the second coming of Jesus.
And the reason is because youknow.
Well, let me back up.
You know, I once told a friendof mine who we were talking
about this.
He asked me, you know, if Ithought I was smarter than some
of these theologians?
And I said let me ask you thishow does God, in his infinite
wisdom, make everyone think forthe past 2000 years that he
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could come at any day?
You know, to motivate us, tokeep us in line.
You know he could come at anyday, but at the same time, the
generation who will see hisreturn, let them know.
And what he did was brilliant.
He kept a fulfillment ofprophecy not to be fulfilled
until the end time, and that isIsrael becoming a nation.
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So when you look at thatpassage again, after two days he
will revive us and on the thirdday he will raise us up.
In order to understand that youhave to go to Peter.
Now Peter, when he's talkingabout end times, because he says
in the end scoffers will comeand says where is your Christ?
You know, you know where is he.
And he says I urge youbelievers to remember this one
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thing A day with the Lord islike a thousand years and a
thousand years is like a day.
So now, if we back up, if Jesusdied at 30 AD which I believe
he did, because it ties in with70 AD, 40 years later.
And you know, we have tounderstand that.
You know, God doesn't just wakeup one morning and say, I think
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today I'm going to send my sonfor the first time.
I think today I'm going to sendmy son for the first time.
Everything God does is aprophetic timeline and dates and
times have meaning.
So 40 always represents a timeof repentance.
So 40 always represents a timeof repentance.
And so when you look at now, ifJesus died at 30 AD and you add
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the first day, which is athousand years, that's 1030.
And then the second day willtake us to 2030.
What happened at the end of twodays?
But before the third day?
Israel became a nation in 1948.
So that's when it says herevived us after two days and
then he will raise us up on thethird day.
Well, the third day is 2030,which means we will spend a
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thousand years with Jesus.
He will raise us up that we maylive in his presence.
And it also ties in perfectlywith the fig tree parable.
You know when Jesus?
When they asked Jesus.
And if I'm talking too much,please cut me off.
Chris Grainger (23:52):
Roll on with it, bud.
This is your spotlight, okay.
Daniel Ochoa (23:55):
So you know, when the disciples came to Jesus and
asked him about the end time,think about this.
Jesus didn't start off withsaying about that day and hour
no man knows, because if hewould have just said that then,
yeah, maybe we could think, okay, we're not supposed to know.
But he didn't.
He went on and on and told themall the events that would
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happen and then he said aboutthat day and hour no man knows.
Why did he say that?
Well, we have to go to the bookof Daniel to get an
understanding.
Daniel asked the angel the samequestion when will all these
things happen?
And the angel said it's nottime for you to know.
Seal up the book until the end.
So we know that nobody issupposed to know until the end,
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because the angel told Daniel toseal up the book.
Then what did he say?
He said but in the end, manywill go to and fro.
The wise will understand, butthe wicked will not.
And then Jesus, after he saidno one knows the day or the hour
, said the same thing he talkedabout who is the wise and
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faithful servant who stored upenough food at the appropriate
time.
Chris Grainger (25:29):
He's talking about Joseph Blessed.
Is he who my father finds doingso when he returns, or when his
master blessed?
Is that servant when his masterreturns and then he talks about
the wicked servant?
He was just repeating what theangel told Daniel because it
wasn't timely.
What's your perception here?
How has it been received fromthose within your men's Bible
group?
Your study?
Do you get pushback?
Does this engage a good debate?
Is it just fully embraced?
I'm just curious what type ofreception you're getting from
this.
Daniel Ochoa (25:45):
Nobody wants to hear it, chris.
They all, just they.
Everybody wants to justcontinue to live their life, be
comfortable, be left alone.
They don't want to think aboutit.
But it also fulfills theprophecy that Jesus said about
in time that it's going to belike the days of Noah.
When you think about it, jesussaid it's going to be like days
Noah.
Who was the wife?
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It was Noah and his family.
They knew, but everybody elsedidn't know.
Well, I think the reason thatmost churches do not teach this
is because it's to fulfillprophecy that it is going to be
like the days of Noah, whereonly a small remnant is going to
know.
Chris Grainger (26:26):
Right, I mean for you.
I can feel the passion behindthis.
For sure You've done theresearch also.
I mean, your book is reallyaround urgency.
There's a sense of urgency thatyou're emphasizing to take
action.
So just maybe that's yourfrustration.
Daniel Ochoa (26:43):
You're not seeing that urgency with the christians
that you're interacting withyeah, I mean, I'm not really
frustrated, I I still believethe main focus, though, that we
should be focused on is takingpaul's counsel that paul gave us
, and examine ourselves to seeif we're really in the faith,
because I believe there's moreurgency there, because I believe
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that a lot of people go tochurch.
It's just routine.
It's not changed.
Christ hasn't changed theirlife.
You know, and that's how I was.
I mean, you know, I was havingone night stands when I was
going to church, thinking thatit was OK because of the times,
you know, doing things Ishouldn't do, speaking, saying
things I shouldn't say.
(27:26):
But I'm telling you, when thelight bulb went off, I really
saw a transformation in my lifeman, that's, that's.
Chris Grainger (27:38):
I can definitely tell your passion behind this
and I love how you also talkabout the narrow road so vividly
and I think that's an area thatmaybe, maybe that could be a
good area for for you know,bible studies and and church
leaders and faith leaders tostart talking about more around.
Is that that?
How easy it is to miss that.
Daniel Ochoa (27:57):
That narrow your imagery, I think, was just
perfect there well, and you know, in my book I talk about the
three scariest verses that Ibelieve are in the new testament
, and uh, and jesus spoke allthree of them and one is the
heaven, the road to heaven andhell.
The other one is the 10versions.
Think about this, chris, yougot 10 versions.
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Now, also after jesus saidabout that day and hour, no man
knows, he gave the parable ofgot 10 versions.
Now, also after Jesus saidabout that day and hour, no man
knows he gave the parable of the10 versions.
Did the 10 versions know thetiming?
Yeah, I find that veryinteresting.
They all knew.
Now, five are wise and five arefoolish.
The foolish ones they went withthe wise ones.
They were looking for the sameChrist that the wise were
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looking for.
So it wasn't that they had thewrong religion or anything.
And these are church-goingpeople because they are called
virgin, they're pure, and weknow they're church-going people
because they're doing God'swork.
Because when Jesus comes, theysaid didn't we cast out demons
in your name?
Didn't we profess in your name?
And they called him Lord.
And yet Jesus says to them Inever knew you Away from you,
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know, think about it.
These are people who didn'tfall to the temptation of the
mark of the beast.
They waited patiently.
They get to the end when Jesuscomes back.
And yet Jesus tells them Inever knew you.
That's another eye opener thatyou need to make sure that we
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are the wise and not the foolish.
Right, right.
Chris Grainger (29:31):
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I'm super curious, daniel, Imean from your pastor and from
what the church leadership whereyou're at.
Have they embraced any of these?
Have they started talking aboutthis more openly and you know
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formal settings to try to bringawareness or just try to put
some light you know this againto the sense of urgency or
taking this with the seriousnessthat it deserves.
Daniel Ochoa (31:09):
Yeah, actually, you know, my wife and I were
searching for a church about ayear ago.
The church we were attending,uh, I was never really impressed
.
And then, uh, we felt that theywere starting to go a little
woke on us and so we said no, wegot to find another church.
The good thing is we never didbecome members of that church,
because I was, like I said, Iwas never really impressed.
We must have visited a dozenchurches before we found the
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church that I'm attending now.
But I do want to sharesomething real quick.
One of the churches we wereattending.
At the end of this sermon thepastor asked everybody to bow
their heads.
He asked everybody if youhaven't accepted Christ, pray
with me.
And he said a sinner's prayer.
And then, when he was done, helooked up.
He said look, if you prayedthat prayer, you're in.
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And that hit me really badbecause I'm thinking, no, I mean
look, I don't want your viewersto understand or misunderstand
me.
Accepting Christ can be thateasy, it can be.
But to tell someone you're in,I think the more appropriate
thing is to do what Jesus did.
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What Jesus did is, after hetaught about the gospel, he told
them no one builds a towerwithout considering the cost.
You know and you know he talkedabout the cost to follow it.
I think pastors ought to dothat after they pray.
Look, it can be that easy, butyou need to look at your life
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six weeks from now.
Six months from now, is itchanging?
Is it aligning with Christ'swill and not your will?
Because if you're six monthsfrom now, if nothing has changed
, then there might be a chancethat prayer did not come from
the heart, that you reallydidn't make that commitment.
Because I believe, chris, andyou know this, if you accept
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Christ and you truly accept him,the Holy Spirit comes into you.
I do not believe that the HolySpirit enters someone's life but
never changes them.
That means the Holy Spiritfailed to do what he was
supposed to do and to make thatperson more Christ-like.
Now back to my pastor.
So we did find a church and Iasked them if we could meet for
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lunch, and not just to talkabout end-time stuff, but any
church that I'm kind ofinterested.
I always ask the pastor if theycan meet me for lunch, and I
never go to megachurches becauseI know I'll never have that
happen at a mega church.
So the churches I usually go toare like a congregation of a
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hundred, maybe 150 or evensmaller.
But he, he met with me and westarted talking and he's the one
that brought up I guess he didthe research on me and he said
hey, I see that you wrote a bookand he bought it and he was
very interested about the endtimes and he had some knowledge
about it and since the past orin the past year, we have met, I
think, four times already forlunch, wow.
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And he's at the point now wherehe's like I want you to teach a
class, okay, so he's going toset something up for me to teach
the congregation, but it it'sgoing to be like during a
weekday where everybody whowants to come, that way it's not
forced on anybody Because, likeI said, a lot of people don't
want to hear this.
Chris Grainger (34:29):
Sure, sure, I mean, I think one thing that
I've noticed, daniel, and I'mnot sure maybe you can talk
about it from your experiencesbut many churches and again,
we're here to come alongside.
We're not replacing church, butwe definitely feel like we're a
supplement, because ourapproach is a little different.
We want to walk with their guysthrough their discipleship
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journey.
I almost feel like many at theBig C Church feel like salvation
, that point of salvation, thatcenter's prayer that you
mentioned, that pastor praying,that's the finish line.
And I'm trying to reframe itlike no guys, that's the start
line, like we got to get themsaved, for sure, but walking
with them, discipling them.
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You know Jesus talked to themasses and but he, he discipled.
You know 12 guys, veryintentional.
That that takes a differentlevel of intentionality as well
as a different level of approachby doing that.
You know that's not a Sundaymorning sermon, you know there's
components of that, so I don'tknow what discipleship.
I'd love to get your insight onwhat you think discipleship
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looks like.
How have you seen it doneeffectively, as well as ideas
maybe you have for to serve achurch in that capacity.
Daniel Ochoa (35:43):
Yeah, you know, when the church I attended in
Katy, Texas you know I live inthe Dallas area, now Katy's in
the Houston area, but I thoughtthey did a great job.
It was like a family and youknow, deacons would always come
up to me and I became a deaconbut they would always invite me
to things.
I think the best class that Iever took was an EE class,
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evangelist class, and we wereforced to go knock on people's
doors, talk to them about thegospel.
Then we went down downtownHouston and witnessed the people
in the street and I'm tellingyou, Chris, I hated it.
I forced myself to do it and itwas that training that equipped
me to now I can witness DenverRight.
(36:30):
And I think that was greatdiscipleship on the church's
part to have the class to men,to come to me, invite me to the
class telling me that I thinkyou'd be good at this.
And, man, if you would havetold me 30 years ago you know
that I would write a book and beteaching adult classes and all
I would have said no way.
Chris Grainger (36:52):
Oh, eschatology on top of all that.
Daniel Ochoa (36:54):
And I still think.
You know I'm not a greatspeaker, you know I didn't go to
college, you know, but you knowit really shows me that when
God is using me in this way,it's him, it's not me.
Chris Grainger (37:08):
Right, right, amen.
I mean, I always say Goddoesn't call the qualified, he
qualifies the called, and youknow you're living proof of that
.
You know that numbering ourdays is so important.
I think if you had one minutein front of a room full of
Christians, particularlyChristian men, who feel stuck,
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what would be your encouragementto them?
Daniel, I'd love to know what'syour ultimate message to guys
to try to get them going.
Daniel Ochoa (37:38):
Life is short.
There's no guarantee that anyof us are going to put our heads
on a pillow tonight.
You know, even in the chapterthat I dedicated to end times,
at the end I say could I bewrong?
Well, of course, but it doesn'tchange the fact that time is
one enough for all of us.
Right, you know?
No one has ever gone to heaventhinking that their time was
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coming that day.
Chris Grainger (38:05):
Right, you know, we all think we have more time
and we need to make sure that weare right with god, because you
know you don't get a secondchance yeah, I think I was
talking to one of our guyswithin the lion and he was
talking about, I think it wasone of the pastors that he had
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seen, or maybe just one of hisbrothers, but they had their
first child.
He got a big jar and they filledit up with marbles, I think
thousands of marbles, but itrepresented the number of weeks,
the number of weeks, the numberof weeks before the child
turned 18, filled up that jarand then each week they would
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take a marble out and that wasjust for them, a visualization
of the time running out for thembeing parents.
Now we don't have that, thatthankfully, because who wants to
know what your last day is?
I think that's a blessing thatwe don't know what our last day
is, but just that mentality, youknow what?
It's?
Not an unlimited set of marbles.
Each day is a gift, it's apresent we are not promised
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tomorrow and we should treat itas such.
And I just think that thatreframe, that simple reframe,
could really change the way thatwe show up as men and as
leaders in our community.
Daniel Ochoa (39:22):
Yeah Well, Alexander Sheldon Neeson said
this we are always complainingthat our days are few, but we
live each one as if there's noend to them.
There you go.
Chris Grainger (39:35):
There you go.
Well, daniel, this has beengreat.
I love to.
We always like to wrap up theline within us with lightning
rounds.
If you'd like to play alongwith this, we'll have some fun
quick fire questions with youhere at the end, okay, well, we
always start off easy.
So what do you enjoy doing forfun?
You got any hobbies outside ofriding that, harley?
Daniel Ochoa (39:59):
fun.
You got any hobbies outside ofriding that harley?
Yeah, I like working out.
Uh, you know, in my early uh,or my early 30s, no, my late 20s
, I'm sorry, in my late 20s, Idid a little bit of bodybuilding
where I uh competed twice.
Uh never won or even came in uhthird, but I made it to the
night show, which is the the topfive and uh, but I didn't place
.
Chris Grainger (40:22):
So I enjoy still working out.
Okay, All right.
So pretty much this like freeweights type working out.
Daniel Ochoa (40:28):
Yeah, I'm 63, and I still work out bodybuilding
workout style.
Matter of fact, my nephew atthe time he was 17 years old,
about four years ago, and hewanted to start working out with
me and I was kind of showingoff, wanted to show how strong I
was, and I tore my tricep offmy bone and I have this scar
(40:49):
right here.
And after that I said you know,I got to start, I'm not young
anymore, I still like workingout bodybuilding style, you know
.
But I got to go later on thenot young anymore, I still like
working out bodybuilding style,you know, but I got to go later
on the way.
Chris Grainger (41:03):
There you go, there you go.
Good for you, man.
That's awesome.
So, as a as a bodybuilder,what's what's?
What's the food Like?
What type of food do you enjoy?
I'm sure you have to be kind ofselective on what you intake.
Daniel Ochoa (41:14):
Yeah, especially when you're preparing for a show
.
I mean, I eat a lot of fish, alot of chicken, some red meat
and very, very low carb and youknow I still try to do a low
carb diet.
I cheat now and then, but mywife and I we try to eat
everything organic.
Chris Grainger (41:31):
Okay, what's your favorite?
Daniel Ochoa (41:35):
What's your go-to?
My go-to would be street tacos,but using lettuce wrap instead
of taco shell.
Okay, like I said, I do cheatand every once in a while I pull
out those corn tortillas andmake the street tacos.
They taste much better amen tothat brother amen to that.
Chris Grainger (41:57):
How about any for you?
If you look back over the lastyear, anything you spent too
much time doing.
Daniel Ochoa (42:06):
Well, you know, that's a very good question.
You know, two years ago I lostmy job, I got laid off and my
wife and I were okay financiallyto where I decided my son after
I wrote the book.
That's why I wrote the book Ihad back there at the time.
My son asked me to start aYouTube channel and I told him,
you know, I don't know anythingabout YouTube.
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And he said that's what YouTubeis for you can learn everything
you need to know.
And so, you know, he told me.
He said, dad, look, when I wasa kid, everywhere we went you
would witness the, the people,and I hated it at the time
because I get it now he's 35, hesaid.
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But you know, this is what youwere born to do.
So I started the YouTubechannel.
I told my wife I'm going to giveit a year and, uh, I'm kind of,
you know, if I'm touching oneperson, I mean, praise God.
But I was hoping to do it for aliving, you know.
So I can just do that full time, but it's not going the way I
thought.
And you know, part of me askedmyself, you know, did I waste a
year hoping that God would blessme in this and it hasn't
(43:11):
happened.
And so now I'm going to get myreal estate license and I'm
going to get into real estate,you know, because I got to
provide for the family.
But I wonder, you know, shouldI have done the real estate a
year ago?
Chris Grainger (43:27):
Well, I mean, you never know there may have
been something that you'velearned through that YouTube
experience that's going to payoff in this next adventure.
That is true.
Daniel Ochoa (43:37):
I've always said, and I told my son this, that
every job I've ever had hasalways prepared me for the next
adventure.
That is true.
I've always said, and I told myson this that every job I've
ever had has always prepared mefor the next one.
Right, Right.
Chris Grainger (43:45):
Amen when you think about God, Daniel, what's
your favorite thing about him?
Daniel Ochoa (43:50):
Oh my gosh that he picked me.
Chris Grainger (43:57):
Love that answer Love it when you think about
the evil one.
What's your least favoritething about him?
About?
Daniel Ochoa (44:05):
Satan, how he twists things and makes us to
look in the opposite direction.
You know just like we talkedabout.
You know how people think theyhave to earn their way to hell.
Chris Grainger (44:22):
Right, right, amen.
Well, what do you hope the guyslast question for you, daniel,
remember the most from ourconversation today.
Daniel Ochoa (44:34):
Say that again.
Chris Grainger (44:36):
What do you hope that the guys listening
remember the most from ourconversation today?
Daniel Ochoa (44:41):
To examine themselves and see if they're
really in the faith.
I mean, you know I hope theybuy my book.
You know the book is only fivechapters, it is over 200 pages,
but it's a process.
Chapter one is waking up to thetruth.
After you read chapter one,you'll have a full understanding
of who God is and why he had tosend his son.
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You'll have a fullunderstanding of the true story
of Christmas.
Chapter two is called changingthe road I'm on.
Once you wake up to the truth,it's a new road that you're on
and what that road looks like,the obstacles you're going to
find on that road.
Chapter three is Relationship.
Once you're on that road, it'sabout building a relationship
with Jesus and what that lookslike.
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And then chapter four isKingdom-Minded.
Once your relationship becomesso strong, your mind changes
from a worldly view to a kingdommind and you see things
differently.
And then chapter five is timeis running out and that's about
the end time.
Chris Grainger (45:42):
Absolutely, absolutely, daniel.
So where do you want guys to goget a copy of the book and then
connect with you as well?
Daniel Ochoa (45:50):
Well, you can get a copy on Amazon, barnes, noble,
any major book outlet.
If they want to contact me,they can go to my website,
timeisrunningoutthebookcom, andthere's a place to write to the
author.
And then also I have a YouTubechannel called Life on the
Narrow Road and I do videosabout our relationship with God,
(46:11):
but I also do some videos onend time stuff, and I'm actually
working on a video this weekabout the mark of the beast.
May not be what you think it is, and I believe that Satan is
using the chip technology todeceive us all on what the mark
really is.
(46:31):
So watch out for that video,because I think this is going to
be one of my best ones.
Chris Grainger (46:38):
Life on a narrow road.
I'm just typing it in right now, so we'll get this in the show
notes for you guys.
So, life on a narrow roadchannel.
Okay, got it right here.
All right, so we'll get thisout for you guys as well in the
show notes.
But, daniel, thank you so muchfor coming on today and best of
luck to you and your nextadventure in real estate and
your family and all that.
(46:58):
Anything else you'd like toshare before we wrap up today?
Daniel Ochoa (47:01):
No, I want to just say thank you for having me on
your show, man.
I really appreciate it.
I love getting God's truth outto people.
I mean, I have a passion forthis and you know you giving me
this opportunity to share itwith a wider audience means a
lot.
Chris Grainger (47:16):
Amen, brother.
Well, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you so much, Daniel.
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Okay, so today's guest is DanielOcho.
He is a dedicated Bible teacher.
He wrote the book Time isRunning Out Wonderful book.
He's got 25 years of experienceguys studying and teaching
God's word in God's word and hereally started with a nice
reflection and realizationaround salvation and that led
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him to teach across manydifferent church settings and
types of environments.
And he's really big fellas,just so you know, on end times,
prophecy, eschatology, andthat's what inspired this book.
So anyways, fellas, this isgoing to be a fun conversation.
Daniel's a great guy.
Fun fact, he was a formerbodybuilder as well, so he still
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hits the gym pretty hard, buthopefully you're going to enjoy
this conversation.
Thank you guys.
Well, daniel, welcome to theLion Within Us.
How are you doing today, sir?
Daniel Ochoa (02:05):
I am doing well, Chris.
How are you doing?
I'm doing good.
Chris Grainger (02:08):
Doing good.
It's a beautiful day here inNorth Carolina.
What was it like there in Texastoday?
Daniel Ochoa (02:13):
Oh, we had a very hard.
My God, I messed up.
You're good Start over.
Okay, oh, we had a severe, giveme a second.
We had a severe thunderstormcome in last night so we had a
little bit of damage with sometrees and some bushes and stuff
(02:36):
like that, but other than that,the sun's out now and things are
looking good.
Chris Grainger (02:41):
There you go.
There you go.
Well, looking forward tohearing talking with you about
your book and unpacking some ofthe things I know is important
to you.
But before we do any of that,maybe what's something fun about
you that not many people knowabout?
Daniel.
Daniel Ochoa (02:54):
Oh man, I guess I love to drive my Harley Davidson
.
Chris Grainger (02:59):
Okay, Well, I'm a Harley guy too.
I used to be.
We moved to the farm, so I'm aJohn Deere guy right now.
What kind of Harley do you ride?
I have a Heritage.
That's what I used to ride I'vehad a couple of.
Heritage Softails.
I'd love it.
I'm thinking about trading itin for a Fatboy.
Okay, I like the windshield man.
(03:23):
I don't know if you keep thewindshield on your heritage or
not but well, that's the thing.
Daniel Ochoa (03:27):
That's the reason I didn't buy the fat boy.
It's because it didn't have thewindshield, didn't have the
saddlebag.
Chris Grainger (03:32):
So if I do exchange it for a fat boy, I
want one that already has thewindshield and the saddlebag
well, man, in that case justkeep your heritage buddy I just
like the big fat tire in theback of the fat boy oh yeah, oh
yeah, I'm just picking, but Ithink, harley, when they, when
they put the heritage soft chairtogether, whatever that group
(03:53):
of engineers was, when theydesigned it, they hit it on the
head.
I mean, it's a beautiful bikeand it rides so good it is, love
it.
My dad still has a heritage, bythe way.
I love, I just love those bikes.
Awesome man.
Well, it's good to have afellow harley rider one day.
When my kids get out the housethat's my wife and I say so.
Our littlest one is two, so wesay, you know, when he's out of
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high school then we're gonna getback on the harleys you know,
so there you go.
Well, I'm super pumped to haveyou here and you know you took
the time to write this book.
Time is Running Out.
Am I really in good standingwith God?
And maybe walk the listenersthrough?
You know why the urge to writea book like this and what you
know what was the drive behindit?
Daniel Ochoa (04:37):
Well, in my early thirties I found myself
attending church, and I had beenattending church for about six
years and one Sunday morning Iwas sitting during the sermon
and the pastor was talking aboutthe road to heaven and hell,
and for some reason I picturedlike an eight-lane highway
during rush hour and all thetraffic on that eight-lane was
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the road to hell and theoff-ramp was the road to heaven.
And I kept hearing a voice.
It was my own voice, so itwasn't a voice from God or
anything, but my conscience justkept asking myself what makes
you think you're on thatoff-ramp?
Because you go to church,because you own a Bible and you
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go to Sunday school class.
And it really bothered me for along time.
And then one day I asked mypastor if we could meet for
lunch and we met and heexplained the gospel to me.
But then he said something thatno one else has ever explained
to me.
He said you have to understandthere's a cost to follow Jesus,
and he used a couple ofscripture verses to back that up
(05:43):
.
And then he said now, living inAmerica, it may not cost you
your life like it does in otherparts of the world, he said, but
it could cost you some of yourfriends, it could cost you some
of your family members, couldcost you your job.
You know a certain job, he said.
But there's a cost to followJesus.
And I'm telling you, chris, thelight bulb went off and that
(06:08):
night I got on my knees, Iprayed to God to be fully
committed to start following himand I realized, yeah, there was
a cost, you know, because nowit was costing me my time, it
was costing me my finances, itwas costing me some of my
friends.
But I started thinking how manyother people are just like me,
thinking they're in goodstanding with God, when they're
(06:29):
not?
And so I had this desire toreach more people because, from
that moment of becoming a truefollower of Christ, I witnessed
to everybody I could, and I feltthat I had a gift for it,
because I never offended peopleand I never just walked up to
people and started witnessing,but anybody I would talk to if a
door opened up.
(06:50):
I was sharing the gospel and Ijust wanted to do it on a bigger
scale.
And so I wrote the book.
But the reason I added Time isRunning Out, because originally
the book was just going to be amI Really in Good Standing with
God and I started the book about15 years ago and then I had a
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job opportunity that I had tomove my family to Georgia and I
was so busy with work.
The book sat on a flash drivefor about 15 years.
But the last eight years ofthose 15 years I got into
eschatology and the more Istudied, the more I realized
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that God does want us to knowwhen the end times will happen,
and that's why I devoted a wholechapter to end times, and so
the book is called Times Run Now.
But the main title, theoriginal title, was Am I Really
in Good Standing with God?
Chris Grainger (07:49):
Okay, so for your personal background, did
you grow up in the church?
I mean, just kind of give us alittle bit of that too, Like
when did you really start tobegin?
Daniel Ochoa (07:59):
My mother was Catholic.
She actually has two uncles whowere monks in the Catholic
Church in Mexico.
I grew up here in the States,though, and you know we didn't
go to.
We went to church occasionally.
We weren't fully committed, butmy mother was very committed to
the Catholic faith, but she wasmore committed to the
(08:23):
traditions and some of thehistory of the Catholic church,
but she really didn't know anyof the Bible, you know, and in
my book I described how it wasChristmas morning when I
discovered there was no SantaClaus, and then that night, my,
my mother, told me the truemeaning of Christmas, but it was
so limited because of herknowledge, and so for the next
(08:45):
30 years, I believe that Jesus,that God, was like Santa Claus,
that as long as you live adecent life according to what
you think is a decent life,you're fine, and in order to go
to hell, you would have to dosomething terribly wrong.
I mean, you always hear peoplesay that most people think that
(09:06):
they have to earn their way toheaven, but I come to find out
as I was witnessing to people,because I've witnessed to
hundreds of people I come tofind out that's not true.
Most people believe you have toearn your way to hell, meaning
that you have to do somethinghorribly wrong in order to go to
hell.
Chris Grainger (09:25):
Yeah, isn't that crazy that the evil one has
tricked so many people thinkingthat man.
Yeah, I remember I was at arecent event talking with some
guys.
Afterwards we just got totalking about you know what
happens when you die, and theyhad questions and one of them
was like the way I see it, Ijust got to be good man.
(09:49):
I'm like all right, well,what's good enough?
He's like what do you mean?
I'm like, well, what's goodenough?
Define good, bro, because mydefinition of good is probably
different than yours.
It's very subjective, and thatopened up a really good
conversation.
But I hadn't thought aboutyou're right, though, man.
People think that you just likeget in free to heaven and
(10:10):
hell's reserved just for thespecial.
You know really bad offensesand what a terrible thinking man
.
Wow, well, I definitelyappreciated you sharing that
Santa Claus story, because it'seasy for us to think that he's
very distant.
You know that it's almost likehe's just mystery.
Maybe walk us through how thatconversation went with your
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mother.
Daniel Ochoa (10:37):
Well, like I said, she didn't know much, so she
just explained that Christmas isreally about the birth of Jesus
and then how he died on thecross for our sins.
So that's why Jesus felt likeSanta Claus to me.
I feel he already died for me.
I'm okay and as long as I livea decent life, I'm not hurting
(10:57):
anybody, I'm not killing anybody, I was fine, and that's why
that passage that Jesus spoke inMatthew about the road to
heaven and hell, that's why ithit me so hard when Jesus said
the road to heaven is verynarrow and only a few find it.
I mean, think about it, chris.
If you were to put a percentageon that, what would it be?
(11:19):
Yeah Five, oh yeah Ten of thatRight, you know, and that's why
it kept hitting me.
Why do you think you're on thatnarrow road?
Chris Grainger (11:30):
yeah, yeah, it's definitely got it's.
It's worth thinking about andhaving that self-reflection over
, and you talked about a men'sbible study.
That really helped reframe somethings for you.
So just kind of walk throughthat a little bit.
How did that help you in yourjourney?
Daniel Ochoa (11:48):
Well, once the light bulb went off, I kind of
was on fire.
It was perfect timing because afriend of mine at my church
asked me if I wanted to attend amen's BSF class called Bible
Study Fellowship.
It's only for men.
Well, they have it for women,they have it for men, but the
one that he invited me to wasjust for men.
(12:09):
And I told him I would go.
But he told me he said look,just make a six-week commitment.
If after six weeks you don'tlike it, you know, stop going.
He said, but do me a favor andmake six-week commitment.
I told him I would.
And make six-week commitment?
I told him I would.
The first Monday that I went toclass there were about 400 men
(12:30):
on a Monday night and it wasduring football season.
So I'm thinking to myself, youknow, wow, this is impressive.
You got Monday night footballgoing on and there's 400 men
here attending a Bible studyclass.
And I made the six-weekcommitment.
But that six weeks turned into13 years, Just going through the
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Bible, you know.
And they go through one book ayear, but they do have some
years, like, where they gothrough most of the Old
Testament.
They have one year where itgoes through all the prophets
and then but it's all the meatof the Bible and it's a very
in-depth Bible study.
Because you're accountable,they take roll call and if you
miss too many classes there's achance they may tell you that
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you can't come back.
And also you have homeworkevery week that you do
throughout the week.
That you're accountable, sowhen you show up, you go over
your homework with a small group, and so it really forced me to
really study the Bible like Inever studied it before.
Chris Grainger (13:33):
Wow, that's incredible.
So 400 guys, so that's a prettymassive setting.
So that was done like in thechurch sanctuary or something
like that.
Daniel Ochoa (13:40):
Yeah, so BSF is an organization.
Their main corporate office isin San Antonio, but they find
churches all over to host theirclasses on Mondays, and the
women do it on a different day,but for the men it's all Monday
and everyone throughout thecountry, actually throughout the
world.
So their classes are in everymajor city in the United States
(14:01):
and even in small cities, andthey're in like 30 or 40
different countries, buteverybody is going through the
same lesson for that week.
Chris Grainger (14:12):
Okay, wow, so are the pastors leading that.
Daniel Ochoa (14:18):
No, it's all volunteers.
I mean, you have to work yourway up.
After about six months,somebody approached me and asked
me if I wanted to be achildren's leader, just because
they could see that I just wasexcited about learning and I was
on fire.
I wanted to learn more and Iwas eager.
So one of the instructorsapproached me and said hey, I
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like the way you come to class,I like the way you speak up.
You know you got to have somegood insight.
Would you think about becominga children's leader?
And so I told him I would thinkabout it.
And that evening I called myolder brother, manuel, because
my older brother was the onethat first got me into reading
scripture, because he is very,very smart.
(15:07):
And just to give you a quickstory, when he was in his early
30s, married, some JehovahWitnesses came to his house and
he let them in and theywitnessed to him.
He didn't know much about theBible and he told his wife I
think we need to become JehovahWitnesses.
And she didn't know much eitherand she said look, you need to
do some research.
(15:27):
So he went to a class that theywere given and when they were
reading something it didn'tmatch his Bible.
And so he pointed out wait aminute, that's not what my Bible
says.
And they said, well, you needto get a new Bible.
Your Bible's incorrect.
So then he thought, well, whatam I going to do?
You know, who do I trust?
So he went to college for overa year to study Hebrew and Greek
(15:47):
and that's how my brother isand he found out that the
original language was correct inhis Bible.
So he went back to the classabout a year later, after he
learned all this, with theoriginal writings, and they told
them to leave and never to comeback.
And so, you know, I trusted mybrother.
You know when he, whenever Ihave questions, I will call him.
(16:10):
So I asked him hey, they'reasking me to be a children's
leader.
But, man, you know, I said I'mnot equipped.
I mean, he said, dan, this isan opportunity.
They're going to give you allthe material that you need to
teach.
And so I accepted the challengeand I taught for a little over
12 years, and then that led tome teaching in churches with
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adult classes, and it just grewfrom there.
Chris Grainger (16:36):
That's incredible, daniel.
That's incredible.
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So, danny, you talked a lotabout, you know, eschatology.
What got you into that?
Daniel Ochoa (17:59):
Well, once again, it was my brother.
We worked for the same companyand he got into it just before I
did and he was always coming tomy office because his office
was right down the hall frommine.
And he said, dan, let me showyou something, let me show you
something, and I would alwaysthrow out that famous verse
Daniel, no one knows the day ofthe hour.
Why do you keep pursuing?
this and he goes no, just readthis, just read it.
(18:21):
And I would read it and brushit off.
And then one day he came to myoffice and said look, I want you
to watch a couple of videos.
And I said dang.
I said, look, they missed thefirst coming of Jesus.
No one knew about his firstcoming.
What makes you think that we'regoing to know about a second
coming?
And he said that's not true.
And I said who knew?
And he said the wise men.
(18:47):
And I'm telling you, chris, whenhe said that, another light
bulb went off in my head and I'mthinking they did know.
And it's like God always has asmall remnant that knows things.
And so you know, I startedlooking into it and the more I
dug, the more I found that wecan know the timing of his
return.
You know, one night I waslaying in bed when I first got
into this and I started thinkingto myself did God really leave
(19:11):
us the book of Daniel, the bookof Revelation, and then say
you're never going to know them?
No, I don't think so.
And then I kept digging anddigging and all the stuff I
found I mean we can know whenhe's coming.
Chris Grainger (19:28):
So what are some of the, based off your research
, maybe what are some of themost surprising items that you
have uncovered that maybe youwant to share, and also just
share the definition ofeschatology with our listeners,
because they may not allunderstand the terminology here.
Daniel Ochoa (19:44):
Sure, eschatology just means the study of end time
.
And the thing that hit me themost is the Hosea, the Zechariah
and the Hosea prophecy.
You know Zechariah talks about,you know, when the sheep is
struck, or when the shepherd isstruck, the sheep will be
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scattered, and we know that thatties into when Jesus died on
the cross.
40 years later, israel wasscattered among the known
nations, among the known world,and that prophecy was fulfilled.
But then if you go to the Hoseaprophecy, it says you know,
after two days he will revive usand on the third day he will
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raise us up to live in hispresence.
Now, you know, you look at thatand you know great scholars in
the past have always said thatwas Jesus.
But it's clearly not Jesusbecause it says he will raise us
up, that we may live in hispresence, but they try to use it
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as Jesus on the cross and otherthings.
But you know, a lot of peoplewill ask me well, dan, what
makes you think you're smarterthan some of these great
scholars?
I'm not.
But here's the differenceWithout 1948 and Israel becoming
a nation, you would have tofind something else to make that
fit.
Because that is the key piecethat shows when we can figure
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out the second coming of Jesus.
And the reason is because youknow.
Well, let me back up.
You know, I once told a friendof mine who we were talking
about this.
He asked me, you know, if Ithought I was smarter than some
of these theologians?
And I said let me ask you thishow does God, in his infinite
wisdom, make everyone think forthe past 2000 years that he
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could come at any day?
You know, to motivate us, tokeep us in line.
You know he could come at anyday, but at the same time, the
generation who will see hisreturn, let them know.
And what he did was brilliant.
He kept a fulfillment ofprophecy not to be fulfilled
until the end time, and that isIsrael becoming a nation.
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So when you look at thatpassage again, after two days he
will revive us and on the thirdday he will raise us up.
In order to understand that youhave to go to Peter.
Now Peter, when he's talkingabout end times, because he says
in the end scoffers will comeand says where is your Christ?
You know, you know where is he.
And he says I urge youbelievers to remember this one
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thing A day with the Lord islike a thousand years and a
thousand years is like a day.
So now, if we back up, if Jesusdied at 30 AD which I believe
he did, because it ties in with70 AD, 40 years later.
And you know, we have tounderstand that.
You know, God doesn't just wakeup one morning and say, I think
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today I'm going to send my sonfor the first time.
I think today I'm going to sendmy son for the first time.
Everything God does is aprophetic timeline and dates and
times have meaning.
So 40 always represents a timeof repentance.
So 40 always represents a timeof repentance.
And so when you look at now, ifJesus died at 30 AD and you add
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the first day, which is athousand years, that's 1030.
And then the second day willtake us to 2030.
What happened at the end of twodays?
But before the third day?
Israel became a nation in 1948.
So that's when it says herevived us after two days and
then he will raise us up on thethird day.
Well, the third day is 2030,which means we will spend a
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thousand years with Jesus.
He will raise us up that we maylive in his presence.
And it also ties in perfectlywith the fig tree parable.
You know when Jesus?
When they asked Jesus.
And if I'm talking too much,please cut me off.
Chris Grainger (23:52):
Roll on with it, bud.
This is your spotlight, okay.
Daniel Ochoa (23:55):
So you know, when the disciples came to Jesus and
asked him about the end time,think about this.
Jesus didn't start off withsaying about that day and hour
no man knows, because if hewould have just said that then,
yeah, maybe we could think, okay, we're not supposed to know.
But he didn't.
He went on and on and told themall the events that would
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happen and then he said aboutthat day and hour no man knows.
Why did he say that?
Well, we have to go to the bookof Daniel to get an
understanding.
Daniel asked the angel the samequestion when will all these
things happen?
And the angel said it's nottime for you to know.
Seal up the book until the end.
So we know that nobody issupposed to know until the end,
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because the angel told Daniel toseal up the book.
Then what did he say?
He said but in the end, manywill go to and fro.
The wise will understand, butthe wicked will not.
And then Jesus, after he saidno one knows the day or the hour
, said the same thing he talkedabout who is the wise and
(25:27):
faithful servant who stored upenough food at the appropriate
time.
Chris Grainger (25:29):
He's talking about Joseph Blessed.
Is he who my father finds doingso when he returns, or when his
master blessed?
Is that servant when his masterreturns and then he talks about
the wicked servant?
He was just repeating what theangel told Daniel because it
wasn't timely.
What's your perception here?
How has it been received fromthose within your men's Bible
group?
Your study?
Do you get pushback?
Does this engage a good debate?
Is it just fully embraced?
I'm just curious what type ofreception you're getting from
this.
Daniel Ochoa (25:45):
Nobody wants to hear it, chris.
They all, just they.
Everybody wants to justcontinue to live their life, be
comfortable, be left alone.
They don't want to think aboutit.
But it also fulfills theprophecy that Jesus said about
in time that it's going to belike the days of Noah.
When you think about it, jesussaid it's going to be like days
Noah.
Who was the wife?
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It was Noah and his family.
They knew, but everybody elsedidn't know.
Well, I think the reason thatmost churches do not teach this
is because it's to fulfillprophecy that it is going to be
like the days of Noah, whereonly a small remnant is going to
know.
Chris Grainger (26:26):
Right, I mean for you.
I can feel the passion behindthis.
For sure You've done theresearch also.
I mean, your book is reallyaround urgency.
There's a sense of urgency thatyou're emphasizing to take
action.
So just maybe that's yourfrustration.
Daniel Ochoa (26:43):
You're not seeing that urgency with the christians
that you're interacting withyeah, I mean, I'm not really
frustrated, I I still believethe main focus, though, that we
should be focused on is takingpaul's counsel that paul gave us
, and examine ourselves to seeif we're really in the faith,
because I believe there's moreurgency there, because I believe
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that a lot of people go tochurch.
It's just routine.
It's not changed.
Christ hasn't changed theirlife.
You know, and that's how I was.
I mean, you know, I was havingone night stands when I was
going to church, thinking thatit was OK because of the times,
you know, doing things Ishouldn't do, speaking, saying
things I shouldn't say.
(27:26):
But I'm telling you, when thelight bulb went off, I really
saw a transformation in my lifeman, that's, that's.
Chris Grainger (27:38):
I can definitely tell your passion behind this
and I love how you also talkabout the narrow road so vividly
and I think that's an area thatmaybe, maybe that could be a
good area for for you know,bible studies and and church
leaders and faith leaders tostart talking about more around.
Is that that?
How easy it is to miss that.
Daniel Ochoa (27:57):
That narrow your imagery, I think, was just
perfect there well, and you know, in my book I talk about the
three scariest verses that Ibelieve are in the new testament
, and uh, and jesus spoke allthree of them and one is the
heaven, the road to heaven andhell.
The other one is the 10versions.
Think about this, chris, yougot 10 versions.
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Now, also after jesus saidabout that day and hour, no man
knows, he gave the parable ofgot 10 versions.
Now, also after Jesus saidabout that day and hour, no man
knows he gave the parable of the10 versions.
Did the 10 versions know thetiming?
Yeah, I find that veryinteresting.
They all knew.
Now, five are wise and five arefoolish.
The foolish ones they went withthe wise ones.
They were looking for the sameChrist that the wise were
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looking for.
So it wasn't that they had thewrong religion or anything.
And these are church-goingpeople because they are called
virgin, they're pure, and weknow they're church-going people
because they're doing God'swork.
Because when Jesus comes, theysaid didn't we cast out demons
in your name?
Didn't we profess in your name?
And they called him Lord.
And yet Jesus says to them Inever knew you Away from you,
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know, think about it.
These are people who didn'tfall to the temptation of the
mark of the beast.
They waited patiently.
They get to the end when Jesuscomes back.
And yet Jesus tells them Inever knew you.
That's another eye opener thatyou need to make sure that we
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are the wise and not the foolish.
Right, right.
Chris Grainger (29:31):
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I'm super curious, daniel, Imean from your pastor and from
what the church leadership whereyou're at.
Have they embraced any of these?
Have they started talking aboutthis more openly and you know
(30:59):
formal settings to try to bringawareness or just try to put
some light you know this againto the sense of urgency or
taking this with the seriousnessthat it deserves.
Daniel Ochoa (31:09):
Yeah, actually, you know, my wife and I were
searching for a church about ayear ago.
The church we were attending,uh, I was never really impressed
.
And then, uh, we felt that theywere starting to go a little
woke on us and so we said no, wegot to find another church.
The good thing is we never didbecome members of that church,
because I was, like I said, Iwas never really impressed.
We must have visited a dozenchurches before we found the
(31:31):
church that I'm attending now.
But I do want to sharesomething real quick.
One of the churches we wereattending.
At the end of this sermon thepastor asked everybody to bow
their heads.
He asked everybody if youhaven't accepted Christ, pray
with me.
And he said a sinner's prayer.
And then, when he was done, helooked up.
He said look, if you prayedthat prayer, you're in.
(31:53):
And that hit me really badbecause I'm thinking, no, I mean
look, I don't want your viewersto understand or misunderstand
me.
Accepting Christ can be thateasy, it can be.
But to tell someone you're in,I think the more appropriate
thing is to do what Jesus did.
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What Jesus did is, after hetaught about the gospel, he told
them no one builds a towerwithout considering the cost.
You know and you know he talkedabout the cost to follow it.
I think pastors ought to dothat after they pray.
Look, it can be that easy, butyou need to look at your life
(32:37):
six weeks from now.
Six months from now, is itchanging?
Is it aligning with Christ'swill and not your will?
Because if you're six monthsfrom now, if nothing has changed
, then there might be a chancethat prayer did not come from
the heart, that you reallydidn't make that commitment.
Because I believe, chris, andyou know this, if you accept
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Christ and you truly accept him,the Holy Spirit comes into you.
I do not believe that the HolySpirit enters someone's life but
never changes them.
That means the Holy Spiritfailed to do what he was
supposed to do and to make thatperson more Christ-like.
Now back to my pastor.
So we did find a church and Iasked them if we could meet for
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lunch, and not just to talkabout end-time stuff, but any
church that I'm kind ofinterested.
I always ask the pastor if theycan meet me for lunch, and I
never go to megachurches becauseI know I'll never have that
happen at a mega church.
So the churches I usually go toare like a congregation of a
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hundred, maybe 150 or evensmaller.
But he, he met with me and westarted talking and he's the one
that brought up I guess he didthe research on me and he said
hey, I see that you wrote a bookand he bought it and he was
very interested about the endtimes and he had some knowledge
about it and since the past orin the past year, we have met, I
think, four times already forlunch, wow.
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And he's at the point now wherehe's like I want you to teach a
class, okay, so he's going toset something up for me to teach
the congregation, but it it'sgoing to be like during a
weekday where everybody whowants to come, that way it's not
forced on anybody Because, likeI said, a lot of people don't
want to hear this.
Chris Grainger (34:29):
Sure, sure, I mean, I think one thing that
I've noticed, daniel, and I'mnot sure maybe you can talk
about it from your experiencesbut many churches and again,
we're here to come alongside.
We're not replacing church, butwe definitely feel like we're a
supplement, because ourapproach is a little different.
We want to walk with their guysthrough their discipleship
(34:51):
journey.
I almost feel like many at theBig C Church feel like salvation
, that point of salvation, thatcenter's prayer that you
mentioned, that pastor praying,that's the finish line.
And I'm trying to reframe itlike no guys, that's the start
line, like we got to get themsaved, for sure, but walking
with them, discipling them.
(35:12):
You know Jesus talked to themasses and but he, he discipled.
You know 12 guys, veryintentional.
That that takes a differentlevel of intentionality as well
as a different level of approachby doing that.
You know that's not a Sundaymorning sermon, you know there's
components of that, so I don'tknow what discipleship.
I'd love to get your insight onwhat you think discipleship
(35:34):
looks like.
How have you seen it doneeffectively, as well as ideas
maybe you have for to serve achurch in that capacity.
Daniel Ochoa (35:43):
Yeah, you know, when the church I attended in
Katy, Texas you know I live inthe Dallas area, now Katy's in
the Houston area, but I thoughtthey did a great job.
It was like a family and youknow, deacons would always come
up to me and I became a deaconbut they would always invite me
to things.
I think the best class that Iever took was an EE class,
(36:07):
evangelist class, and we wereforced to go knock on people's
doors, talk to them about thegospel.
Then we went down downtownHouston and witnessed the people
in the street and I'm tellingyou, Chris, I hated it.
I forced myself to do it and itwas that training that equipped
me to now I can witness DenverRight.
(36:30):
And I think that was greatdiscipleship on the church's
part to have the class to men,to come to me, invite me to the
class telling me that I thinkyou'd be good at this.
And, man, if you would havetold me 30 years ago you know
that I would write a book and beteaching adult classes and all
I would have said no way.
Chris Grainger (36:52):
Oh, eschatology on top of all that.
Daniel Ochoa (36:54):
And I still think.
You know I'm not a greatspeaker, you know I didn't go to
college, you know, but you knowit really shows me that when
God is using me in this way,it's him, it's not me.
Chris Grainger (37:08):
Right, right, amen.
I mean, I always say Goddoesn't call the qualified, he
qualifies the called, and youknow you're living proof of that
.
You know that numbering ourdays is so important.
I think if you had one minutein front of a room full of
Christians, particularlyChristian men, who feel stuck,
(37:28):
what would be your encouragementto them?
Daniel, I'd love to know what'syour ultimate message to guys
to try to get them going.
Daniel Ochoa (37:38):
Life is short.
There's no guarantee that anyof us are going to put our heads
on a pillow tonight.
You know, even in the chapterthat I dedicated to end times,
at the end I say could I bewrong?
Well, of course, but it doesn'tchange the fact that time is
one enough for all of us.
Right, you know?
No one has ever gone to heaventhinking that their time was
(38:03):
coming that day.
Chris Grainger (38:05):
Right, you know, we all think we have more time
and we need to make sure that weare right with god, because you
know you don't get a secondchance yeah, I think I was
talking to one of our guyswithin the lion and he was
talking about, I think it wasone of the pastors that he had
(38:25):
seen, or maybe just one of hisbrothers, but they had their
first child.
He got a big jar and they filledit up with marbles, I think
thousands of marbles, but itrepresented the number of weeks,
the number of weeks, the numberof weeks before the child
turned 18, filled up that jarand then each week they would
(38:48):
take a marble out and that wasjust for them, a visualization
of the time running out for thembeing parents.
Now we don't have that, thatthankfully, because who wants to
know what your last day is?
I think that's a blessing thatwe don't know what our last day
is, but just that mentality, youknow what?
It's?
Not an unlimited set of marbles.
Each day is a gift, it's apresent we are not promised
(39:11):
tomorrow and we should treat itas such.
And I just think that thatreframe, that simple reframe,
could really change the way thatwe show up as men and as
leaders in our community.
Daniel Ochoa (39:22):
Yeah Well, Alexander Sheldon Neeson said
this we are always complainingthat our days are few, but we
live each one as if there's noend to them.
There you go.
Chris Grainger (39:35):
There you go.
Well, daniel, this has beengreat.
I love to.
We always like to wrap up theline within us with lightning
rounds.
If you'd like to play alongwith this, we'll have some fun
quick fire questions with youhere at the end, okay, well, we
always start off easy.
So what do you enjoy doing forfun?
You got any hobbies outside ofriding that, harley?
Daniel Ochoa (39:59):
fun.
You got any hobbies outside ofriding that harley?
Yeah, I like working out.
Uh, you know, in my early uh,or my early 30s, no, my late 20s
, I'm sorry, in my late 20s, Idid a little bit of bodybuilding
where I uh competed twice.
Uh never won or even came in uhthird, but I made it to the
night show, which is the the topfive and uh, but I didn't place
.
Chris Grainger (40:22):
So I enjoy still working out.
Okay, All right.
So pretty much this like freeweights type working out.
Daniel Ochoa (40:28):
Yeah, I'm 63, and I still work out bodybuilding
workout style.
Matter of fact, my nephew atthe time he was 17 years old,
about four years ago, and hewanted to start working out with
me and I was kind of showingoff, wanted to show how strong I
was, and I tore my tricep offmy bone and I have this scar
(40:49):
right here.
And after that I said you know,I got to start, I'm not young
anymore, I still like workingout bodybuilding style, you know
.
But I got to go later on thenot young anymore, I still like
working out bodybuilding style,you know, but I got to go later
on the way.
Chris Grainger (41:03):
There you go, there you go.
Good for you, man.
That's awesome.
So, as a as a bodybuilder,what's what's?
What's the food Like?
What type of food do you enjoy?
I'm sure you have to be kind ofselective on what you intake.
Daniel Ochoa (41:14):
Yeah, especially when you're preparing for a show
.
I mean, I eat a lot of fish, alot of chicken, some red meat
and very, very low carb and youknow I still try to do a low
carb diet.
I cheat now and then, but mywife and I we try to eat
everything organic.
Chris Grainger (41:31):
Okay, what's your favorite?
Daniel Ochoa (41:35):
What's your go-to?
My go-to would be street tacos,but using lettuce wrap instead
of taco shell.
Okay, like I said, I do cheatand every once in a while I pull
out those corn tortillas andmake the street tacos.
They taste much better amen tothat brother amen to that.
Chris Grainger (41:57):
How about any for you?
If you look back over the lastyear, anything you spent too
much time doing.
Daniel Ochoa (42:06):
Well, you know, that's a very good question.
You know, two years ago I lostmy job, I got laid off and my
wife and I were okay financiallyto where I decided my son after
I wrote the book.
That's why I wrote the book Ihad back there at the time.
My son asked me to start aYouTube channel and I told him,
you know, I don't know anythingabout YouTube.
(42:28):
And he said that's what YouTubeis for you can learn everything
you need to know.
And so, you know, he told me.
He said, dad, look, when I wasa kid, everywhere we went you
would witness the, the people,and I hated it at the time
because I get it now he's 35, hesaid.
(42:48):
But you know, this is what youwere born to do.
So I started the YouTubechannel.
I told my wife I'm going to giveit a year and, uh, I'm kind of,
you know, if I'm touching oneperson, I mean, praise God.
But I was hoping to do it for aliving, you know.
So I can just do that full time, but it's not going the way I
thought.
And you know, part of me askedmyself, you know, did I waste a
year hoping that God would blessme in this and it hasn't
(43:11):
happened.
And so now I'm going to get myreal estate license and I'm
going to get into real estate,you know, because I got to
provide for the family.
But I wonder, you know, shouldI have done the real estate a
year ago?
Chris Grainger (43:27):
Well, I mean, you never know there may have
been something that you'velearned through that YouTube
experience that's going to payoff in this next adventure.
That is true.
Daniel Ochoa (43:37):
I've always said, and I told my son this, that
every job I've ever had hasalways prepared me for the next
adventure.
That is true.
I've always said, and I told myson this that every job I've
ever had has always prepared mefor the next one.
Right, Right.
Chris Grainger (43:45):
Amen when you think about God, Daniel, what's
your favorite thing about him?
Daniel Ochoa (43:50):
Oh my gosh that he picked me.
Chris Grainger (43:57):
Love that answer Love it when you think about
the evil one.
What's your least favoritething about him?
About?
Daniel Ochoa (44:05):
Satan, how he twists things and makes us to
look in the opposite direction.
You know just like we talkedabout.
You know how people think theyhave to earn their way to hell.
Chris Grainger (44:22):
Right, right, amen.
Well, what do you hope the guyslast question for you, daniel,
remember the most from ourconversation today.
Daniel Ochoa (44:34):
Say that again.
Chris Grainger (44:36):
What do you hope that the guys listening
remember the most from ourconversation today?
Daniel Ochoa (44:41):
To examine themselves and see if they're
really in the faith.
I mean, you know I hope theybuy my book.
You know the book is only fivechapters, it is over 200 pages,
but it's a process.
Chapter one is waking up to thetruth.
After you read chapter one,you'll have a full understanding
of who God is and why he had tosend his son.
(45:02):
You'll have a fullunderstanding of the true story
of Christmas.
Chapter two is called changingthe road I'm on.
Once you wake up to the truth,it's a new road that you're on
and what that road looks like,the obstacles you're going to
find on that road.
Chapter three is Relationship.
Once you're on that road, it'sabout building a relationship
with Jesus and what that lookslike.
(45:24):
And then chapter four isKingdom-Minded.
Once your relationship becomesso strong, your mind changes
from a worldly view to a kingdommind and you see things
differently.
And then chapter five is timeis running out and that's about
the end time.
Chris Grainger (45:42):
Absolutely, absolutely, daniel.
So where do you want guys to goget a copy of the book and then
connect with you as well?
Daniel Ochoa (45:50):
Well, you can get a copy on Amazon, barnes, noble,
any major book outlet.
If they want to contact me,they can go to my website,
timeisrunningoutthebookcom, andthere's a place to write to the
author.
And then also I have a YouTubechannel called Life on the
Narrow Road and I do videosabout our relationship with God,
(46:11):
but I also do some videos onend time stuff, and I'm actually
working on a video this weekabout the mark of the beast.
May not be what you think it is, and I believe that Satan is
using the chip technology todeceive us all on what the mark
really is.
(46:31):
So watch out for that video,because I think this is going to
be one of my best ones.
Chris Grainger (46:38):
Life on a narrow road.
I'm just typing it in right now, so we'll get this in the show
notes for you guys.
So, life on a narrow roadchannel.
Okay, got it right here.
All right, so we'll get thisout for you guys as well in the
show notes.
But, daniel, thank you so muchfor coming on today and best of
luck to you and your nextadventure in real estate and
your family and all that.
(46:58):
Anything else you'd like toshare before we wrap up today?
Daniel Ochoa (47:01):
No, I want to just say thank you for having me on
your show, man.
I really appreciate it.
I love getting God's truth outto people.
I mean, I have a passion forthis and you know you giving me
this opportunity to share itwith a wider audience means a
lot.
Chris Grainger (47:16):
Amen, brother.
Well, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you so much, Daniel.
You have a great day, sir Allright, you too, god bless.
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