564. The 1916 Project With Seth Gruber

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Chris Grainger (00:03):
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Now, this episode is probably Iwill rank it easily top five

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ever for the lion the most rawas well Seth Gruber.
Seth Gruber came in and hebrought down.
The house fell.
So he founded the White RoseResistance in 2022.
This is the fastest growingpro-life ministry in America.
He launched the 1916 projectlast year and this book

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absolutely rocked me on my heelsand, to go along with it, he
has a vital documentary.
That is just.
It's unbelievable, guys.
It's an awakening to the churchand the role that we play today
against this cultural war.
So he's a young guy, fights forthe pre-born.
He's all about just sharinginformation and knowledge.

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He's a he's a breadth ofknowledge.
First and foremost, this episodeis different.
We didn't put ads.
I didn't think it wasappropriate to stop him, so I
just I let him go.
Okay, I didn't have a lightninground at the end.
We went for like an hour and 15minutes and I said you know
what?
Let's just keep this one on thetopic that matters.
So you'll notice a little bitof a format change, but I

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encourage you to lean in, tolisten up, because Seth is
getting ready to drop someincredible knowledge bombs that
hopefully, will equip you tostart fighting back against the
evil that is surrounding useverywhere we turn.
So, guys, sit back andhopefully enjoy this
conversation with my friend,seth Gruber.

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Seth, welcome to the Lion man.
How are you doing today?

Seth Gruber (02:18):
Good Chris.
Hey man, Love the show, Lovethe branding.
We use the lion branding andsome of our stuff too.
In fact, I got this epic lionright here Kind of bad focus,
but in my office.
So I appreciate you, Chris, andthanks for your bold voice.

Amen, brother, amen.
Full disclosure.
I found you.
I was listening to Pastor Garyout of Cornerstone Chapel.
Oh yeah, so I listened to himweekly.
I just love his teachings.
I had a bunch of pastors Ilisten to.
He's one of them.

Gary's great.

He had this guy named Seth on.
I was like what is this?
I almost skipped it.
I was like I don't know he'snot preaching.
But then I listened.
I was like bro, this is legit,so hats off.

That's how I sound morning just recently.

It was a conversation I think you were
teaching, but I don't know if itwas a sermon.
He was on stage too, because Ilistened to the audio podcast
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that was January, the day before our
annual Life or Death Conconference in DC and two days
before the National March forLife.

And so we actually brought.

Pastor Gary Hamrick to my conference and he's been
a warrior for a long time in theIRS Hate him.
They've tried to come after hischurch because of how bold he
is on the issues.

Yeah, yeah, that's kind of why I like him.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I've leaned in because as hegets going, I'm like all right,
let's go.
So I found out about you in1916, brother.
I was like all right, we got tomake this happen.
So I'm super pumped and beforewe get into it, I always like to
start a little light.
What's?

something fun about you, Seth, that maybe not many
people know about.
Oh gosh, let's see.
Well, I used to actually traveland play competitive spike ball
.

Really yeah, that's a thing, huh yeah.
Competitive spike ball Reallyyeah, that's a thing, huh.

Yeah, spike balls, people have seen that round net
that sits a foot above theground with a little ball.
It's like if volleyball and foursquare had a baby.
So during college and fresh outof college, I actually was
nationally ranked.
We traveled around the place.
This was right when spike ballwas taken off and ESPN was
starting to show.
We traveled around the place.
This was right when Spikeballwas taken off and ESPN was

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starting to show the games, thecompetitions, and it was kind of
a weird thing.
People some of my staff stilldon't believe me.
They're like demand to seepictures.

Do you still play now?

Every once in a while.
We moved to the Midwest fromCalifornia a while back to be
closer to the wife's family, andso now there's not a culture of
California beach fit peoplethat like to play very
exhausting beach games.
So no, sadly I don't play muchanymore.

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I just buy guns and travel andspeak.

That's awesome, that's awesome.
Well, just keep that in mind.
If we ever run together, I'mnot going to play you against
Spikeball because I'll getdestroyed.
Anyway, well, man, I tell youwhat I get pitched.
A lot of books, a lot ofauthors Ran across this one 1916
Project16 project, but thisbook, so this past weekend I

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just I just pounded through it.
I always try to read, oh gosh,and.
But we were, I was on a trip intwo days yeah, bro, but it was.
I was on a trip with my wifethat's exhausting well, we were
at the beach with our kids and Iand I told my wife I was ever,
ever.
I felt like every 10 minutesI'm like you're not gonna
believe this and like you're notgonna believe this.
And then I said you're notgonna believe this and I kept

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going through this.
So now she's, she's, she'sreading it next, because I just
had so many like you got to befreaking, kidding me moments,
right, yeah, when my chief ofstaff finished my book, he said
he told me.

He said I feel like I understand why Seth is always
pissed off all the time nowabout something.
And for those listening it'snot exhausting because it's long
.
It's not a particularly longbook.
It's exhausting because of howheavy the material is and the
things you learn.
I'm pretty shocked that you didit in two days.

Yeah, Well, I mean part of it's like to serve
you well, Like I want to makesure I get through it, but two,
it's just I couldn't keep.
It was like one thread led tothe next thread and it's like,
wow, where is this going?

Yeah.

And I'm just curious, so, like what's
obviously I know from the book,but just share with the, with
the listeners out there, whatsparked you to even dive into a
topic this heavy, to this level.
I mean the research.
I can only imagine how long ittook you to pull this together,
this level I mean the research.

I can only imagine how long it took you to pull
this together.
Yeah, well, so I mean, bro,I've been in the pro-life fight
and space for many years.
My mother ran a pregnancyresource center in the late
1980s in los angeles county.
So that's one of thosewonderful centers that just
loves on moms and and dads butoften it's you know, the
deadbeat dad's not in thepicture.

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That's why the moms go into apregnancy center for help and
assistance and classes, becausethe dad's a deadbeat and they
just help moms choose life andthey walk alongside them.
But there weren't very many ofthese in America.
There's probably been 80% moregrowth in pregnancy centers from
the mid-1980s to today.
Actually there's aboutestimates are 2,700 to 3,000

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pregnancy centers from the mid1980s to today.
Actually there's aboutestimates are 2700 to 3000
pregnancy centers in America.
And so this was the late 1980sin Los Angeles, of all places,
and my mother had the heart forthe unborn.
And then I was born in 91.
My mom homeschooled me and mysisters but we remained involved
in pro-life stuff and then Iwas homeschooled high school.
I go to public high school and Ido my senior project on

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abortion and my high schooltells me, public high school.
They tell me I can't pick thetopic of abortion.
So I threatened to sue them forviewpoint discrimination.
They didn't know that they hada homeschooler on their hands,
memorized the entire Declarationof Independence and the entire
preamble of the Constitution bythe time I was 11.
And so they backed off and Idid whatever I wanted to do.

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I did my topic of abortion formy senior project and I
volunteered at a pro-lifeministry in Orange County
because you had to do fieldwork,volunteer hours.
Like I don't know if they stilldo this because of all the gay
porn and in the schools, schoolsin the sex set and all the
reduction in standards.
You know what I mean, but atleast I was that last generation
of high school students thathad like a semi-normal high

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school experience.
Like you could be friends withpeople on the left if you were
conservative and they didn'twant to throw you in a bernie
sanders like gulag.
You know what I mean.
Like I, I like I graduated highschool in 2010 and anyone
listening to this who's, I wouldsay, is like early 30s to 40s,
kind of knows that.
Like it wasn't shortly afterthat where so much of the

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political division began onalmost every topic where it's
like you were supposed to hatepeople who had a differing
opinion and and and all the crtand the porn and the schools and
all this insanity, and so Ikind of was able to escape that.
But I had friends who disagreedwith me and I realized, as a
pro-life kid raised in thechurch with a mom who ran a

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pregnancy center, I didn't havevery good answers to a lot of my
pro-choice friends and I wasconvicted by that.
I was 18 at the time and I waslike man like this should be
like second nature to me and soI just I did the deep dive and
the organization I volunteeredat they had me.
Actually their job for me wasto scan 200 images of first

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trimester mutilated, emaciated,aborted baby photos on a high
quality scanner and categorizethem in their database for use
in their educational projects toshow people what abortion looks
like.
Right.
So for the Christian it'spretty simple.
Ephesians 5.11 have nothing todo with the fruitless deeds of
darkness, but rather expose them.
That's all they were doing.
They're saying if abortion issuch a great idea, here's what

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it looks like.

Right.

Here's what health care looks like.
But I had never seen thoseimages before, chris, and at 18
years old, christian home,christian parents, mom who ran a
pregnancy center, I had nevereven seen what abortion did to
little babies.
And these were all firsttrimester, emaciated, mutilated,
aborted baby corpses.
So that was a turning point inmy life because I was like, oh
my gosh, like this is happening,you know, 3000 times a day or

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something in America.
So that's the background as towhy I care so much about it.
The other answer to yourquestion is well, why don't you
listener?
That's the other answer.
It's like don't ask me why I'mso passionate about this.
It's a flipping genocide.
I mean like I have a shirtright now saying you know,
abortion kills 200,000 babiesevery day.

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Now, that's worldwide.
Of course that's worldwidenumbers, not American numbers,
but that's roughly the estimate.
Like worldwide, if I'mremembering my numbers, since
1980, there's been over one anda half billion babies killed
through abortion worldwide.
If that's not a genocide, Idon't know what is.
And, of course, the commonalityof all forms of genocide, by

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the way, of course, are thedenial of the personhood status
of your victims.
They're not actually persons.
They're not actually persons,they're not actually people, and
that's exactly what Roe versusWade said in 1973, actually it
said that the term person isused in the Constitution does
not include the unborn.
And so that's my background,and then fast track, skip a
bunch of stuff.
I launched the White RoseResistance right after the

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overturning of Roe versus Wade.
We're three years old now.
We're the fastest growingpro-life organization in the
country.
The book you're talking about isalso a film the 1916 Project.
More people have probably seenthe film than read the book.
It'll break your heart and boilyour blood.
It's beautiful aesthetically,and any church can host a
screening of the film by goingto the 1916projectcom.

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Any church in the world canhost a screening of the film by
going to the1916projectcom.
Any church in the world canhost a screening at their church
for their people by going tothe1916projectcom, and the DVDs
are available for sale now onour website as well,
the1916projectcom.
And hopefully, by the time thiscomes out on your show, we'll
have announced where the film isstreaming online streaming,

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because we're very close to ourdistribution deal for where that
will be streaming.
And so this was screened inover a thousand churches between
middle of June 2024 and the endof 2024.
Some people think it probablyhelped stop the Florida abortion
amendment.
Actually, because hundreds ofchurches in Florida screened it

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in the lead up to the DeSantis'and the pro-life fight against
the abortion amendment, and webarely won, thank God.
So then something crazy happened, chris.
In the somewhat fiery, mostlypeaceful summer of love of 2020,
as some people like to call it,as every major Democrat, blue

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run city was on fire because ofGeorge Floyd and BLM and all
this insanity.
And you guys will remember, ifyou're culture people like me
and Chris, you'll remember thatyou know BLM and the entire
liberal establishment or leftwing academic revolutionaries.
They all mobilized and wentafter any kind of corporation,

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company, university institution,privately owned business that
they said or argued had ahistory of racism.
Do you remember this?
It was do the work, reckon withthe past.
Silence is violence.
That's what they said.
And white people, you need toshut up and listen to black

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voices.
And we don't care if you, youknow, were raised by a black mom
or whatever.
It doesn't matter.
You're white, so shut up, right.
And this was the whole thing of2020.
And so, like any family ownedbusiness, it's turned into this
massive corporation or companyif there was a history of racism
in your company, which is truein a lot of American history, of
course I'm not saying none ofthat's real.

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Then they were canceled if theydidn't do every single little
thing that the left demanded.
They do.
Bring in Ibram X, kendi orRobin DiAngelo and pay them
$50,000 to give an anti-racismtalk to all of your employees.
Right, Hire more black peoplejust because of their melanin,
not because they're morequalified.
Ok, we remember all of this.

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Ok, that's why Aunt Jemima gotcanceled, right, if you, if you
liked Aunt Jemima syrup.
Now you're a racist, right, ok.
So in all of this heatedenvironment, guess what happened
, guys?
The left went after PlannedParenthood, that's right.
Blm, black Lives Matter and theleft-wing wild kooky weirdos

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and Antifa.
They went after PlannedParenthood because the
revolution always eats its ownand they said hey, your founder,
margaret Sanger, she was aracist and a eugenicist Dude.
I was like front row seats.
Give me my VIP tickets.
Extra large popcorn, lots ofbutter, extra large Dr Pepper,

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I'm here for it all.
This is the most hilarious formof entertainment.
I love it and maybe it's alittle bit sinful of me.
Maybe I shouldn't enjoywatching the revolution eat
itself quite so much.
But I'll be honest with you,chris, I was really enjoying it.
I was like you idiots shouldhave been listening to Pat
Buchanan, okay, and you shouldhave been listening to Bill
Buckley, and you should havebeen listening to Glenn Beck and

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you should have been listeningto Rush Limbaugh.
And now the snake is eatingitself and it's hilarious.
And so, of course, you have toremember these aren't pro-life
people attacking PlannedParenthood, chris.
These are pro-abortion people.
Blm is pro-abortion, theorganization and the movement,

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and they're attackingpro-abortion people, planned
Parenthood, the largest abortionprovider in the world and one
of the best-funded 501c3s inhuman history.
Because they're saying youhaven't reckoned with your
history of racism and yourfounder, who was a racist,
eugenicist pile of poop.
And so guess what happens?
The director of PlannedParenthood of Greater New York
comes out, karen Seltzer, andshe says you're right.
Basically, she goes MargaretSanger was a racist and a
eugenicist and we're not makingexcuses for her anymore, which
is a strange thing to say.
So you're saying that you'refine with it now I don't know

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what that statement even means.
Right?
And they took her name off oftheir mega flagship Planned
Parenthood clinic in New York,which, by the way, thanks to
Trump, cutting a decent amountof funding to Planned Parenthood
.
That clinic's now closed.
Planned Parenthood can't affordto operate it anymore.
Really decent amount of fundingto Planned.
Parenthood that clinic's nowclosed.
Planned Parenthood can't affordto operate it anymore, really,

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but we filmed outside of it formy film, the 1960 Project of
2023.
And we opened the film and bookwith this story of BLM
everything's racist.
So the left attacks PlannedParenthood, the left attacks
Planned Parenthood and thenPlanned Parenthood goes you're
right, she is a racist.
And so they take her name offof their building.
They renamed the building NewYork City.
On the corner right there wherethat abortion center is, it was

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called the Margaret SangerSquare.
So New York City had named thesquare after her.
Planned Parenthood had namedthe building after her and they
gave out the Margaret SangerAward every year, and folks like
Nancy Pelosi have received that.
And now they don't give out theMargaret Sanger Award anymore.
They renamed the building andthe city took down the sign that
called that the Margaret SangerSquare.

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So I'm watching all this unfoldin 2020, chris, and I'm like yo,
if there's so much rottenhistory here that even Planned
Parenthood has to acknowledge itand start doing cleanup.
That was their form of tearingdown the statues, right, they're
basically tearing down theirown founder statues.
I'm like no, you can't get awaywith it that easily.

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You can't just say, yeah, ourfounder was sort of a racist,
eugenicist pile of human vermin,but we took her name off the
building.
Kay, now leave us alone.
No, no, no.
You're not going to get awaywith that easily, and I decided
I'm going to blow the freakingtop off of the entire history of
who you are, what you came from, what the seed was, what the
beliefs and ideologies were whenyou were founded, who your

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board members were, who yourfunders were, who your founders
were, where you had your centers, where you had your clinics,
what kind of initiatives andprojects you were launching, and
what was the proposals in thoseprojects.
To tell the whole public whatthe goal of that was.
Why was your founding boardmember invited by Hitler and the
Nazis to visit the Third Reichin 1939?
We're going to blow the top offof this entire thing.

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And so that's what we did.
And so we made a film and amovie about it.
It's been wildly successful.
In fact, we had organizationscalling us, like Focus on the
Family going.
How did you do this?
How did you get this film intothis many churches?
Teach us how we can do this.
Sure, and so we're working onour second film now, but the
film is still screening allaround the country you can see
the screening schedule at thewebsite the1916projectcom and I

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would challenge any one of yourlisteners to challenge their
pastor to host a screening ofthis at their church and to
begin educating and informingtheir people about these ideas.
Because my contention is thisChris Planned Parenthood and its
founder, margaret Sanger.
She's probably the mostsuccessful leftist, secular

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moral revolutionary of the 20thcentury.
And how could I say that?
Because of her impact.
I'm arguing that her impact onour current insane, upside down,
kooky, perverted, pedophilic,trans insanity, baby killing
culture is greater than anyother revolutionary of the
entire 20th century, and I thinkonce you read this book, you'll

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I'm super curious because somuch of the book was a history
lesson, so I was.
This.
I feel like how did you findsome of these granular details?
Were they open, just publicknowledge that just people just
had suppressed and just put tothe side?

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Or did you have to do a ton ofdigging to get to this granular
level of insight that you sharehere?

Yeah, it's a little bit of both, but I would be
remiss if I did not credit a lotof the initial research to my
now mentor, dr George Grant.
I believe he's the best keptsecret in Christendom today.
He's like some ancient fromanother era.

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He's almost like a polymath orsomething, and he wrote a book
in 1989 called Grand Illusionsthe legacy of Planned Parenthood
the legacy of PlannedParenthood Grand Illusions.
It was the best-selling book inthe pro-life category for years

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, maybe decades, and he waseveryone's saying like Seth, how
do you know all this stuff?
Where'd you get all this from?
This is bombshell.
Well, a lot of it's notbombshell actually.
Dr Grant did that work in thelate 80s and everyone was
telling him that at the time.
But we forget our history, right, and so what I wanted to do
with the film and the book wasto tell Americans, particularly
American Christians, like you'renot stupid.

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It's not that you forgot thishistory, it's that it was hidden
from you.
There has been an attempt,chris was hidden from you.
There has been an attempt,chris, to sort of refine the
rougher edges of the history ofsecularism or liberalism in
America, to bury certain reallyconcerning details and aspects
of that revolution, and I'mtreating it as one thing,

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obviously, like when I refer tothe secular moral revolution,
like that entails no-faultdivorce laws, the redefinition
of marriage, gender identity,john Money, alfred Kinsey, you
know Freud.
Okay, like Margaret Sanger, I'mtreating it as one thing,
because it is one thing.
They're all on the same team.
They all have the sameunderlying ideologies and
worldviews.
They all want the same things.
They all walk in locksteptogether when any of their core

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pagan sacraments are compromised.
So the history of that movementand revolution, the more
disturbing, disgusting aspectsof it, have been hidden and
you'll notice this with MargaretSanger's varying biographies
over the years.
Okay, like the early treatmentsof Sanger and her organization
from, let's say, the 1930s and40s, 50s even, are pretty open

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about those very concerningaspects in history of who she
was, what she wanted, what shebelieved and what her
organization was doing.
But over the years you watchthe treatment of Sanger over the
decades become more and morenuanced, more and more refined
and more and more curated andsome of those bombshell, like
the things that you were readingin my book, chris, where you're
going what the heck.

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A lot of that stuff gets slowlyedited out and removed from the
biographies of PlannedParenthood and Sanger over the
decades.
So there has been an attempt towhitewash the witch of the 20th
century, and so the subtitle ofmy book is the Lying, the Witch
and the war we're in yeah, yeah, I love a little shout out to
cs lewis there, yeah, you got itI love it.

Love it and I'm curious, kind of pulling back
something you said at the verybeginning that kind of bothered
me.
It's not bothering me, but Iresonate with you.
Grew up in a christian home.
Your mother was very pro-lifeyou you were sound like you grew
up in church.
You had a drug problem, rightyou?
When the church was open, theydrug you there no matter what.

So it sounds like you were always there.

Yet you didn't have any teaching from the
pulpit on this area and, assomeone who follows a lot of
pastors, Pastor Gary is anexception.
I'd say Pastor Joby is anotherexception.
He's very pro-life, verypro-life from the stage from the
pulpit.
Yeah, pastor Joby, martin, yeah, he's been on the show three
times oh yeah, four times.

I was on a phone call with him a few months ago.
Good guy, awesome guy.

Awesome guy but outside of these few couple like
they're little spots you don'thear about it on a church pew on
a Sunday morning.

And I'm just curious like why do you think
that's such a gap for pastors totouch on this topic?
Oh gosh, yeah.
I try to answer that questionto some extent in a couple
chapters in my book, one chaptersix Woke as Wolves, which is
quite.
I mean yikes when you learnabout Rick Warren.

Russellren russell moore of the southern
baptist convention and now theeditor-in-chief of christianity
today of tim keller when yousaid officially when I got to
tim keller chapter on the beach,I had to hand it.

I'm like whoa, whoa , whoa, and it's hard for people
to go.
I'm like oh, here we go yeah, soI try to answer those questions
.
Which is like and that's thequestion most podcasters and
good folks like you have for meis like why is the church not
speaking on these issues?
Why are they so silent?
Why, even after 2020 and fiveyears hence, are the pulpits
still so silent?
How is this not obviously abiblical and theological issues?

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And the answer is probably fouror five or sixfold, and we
probably don't have time to getinto all of it.
But I'm struck from a line fromCS Lewis in the Great Divorce,
and the character is speaking tothis sort of academic who's,

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you know, very focused on havingall the right ideas and
questioning everything and justkind of the pursuit of intellect
for its own sake, right, andnot for the sake of truth, right
, right and not for the sake oftruth, right.
And in the great, everyoneshould go read the Great Divorce

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, of course.
But you know you have the guytraveling through and then he's
coming into contact with thesepeople who you know they don't
want to be taken up to heavenand they're disembodied.
And this guy says, he says wesimply found ourselves in
contact with a certain currentof ideas and we jumped into it
because it seemed modern andsuccessful.
You know, we startedautomatically writing the kind

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of essays that got good marksand saying the kinds of things
that won applause.
We were afraid of a breach withthe spirit of the age, afraid
of ridicule, allowing ourselvesto drift unresisting, accepting
every half-conscioussolicitation from our desires.
We reached a point where we nolonger believed the truth or the

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faith, and that line alwaysstruck me as just, powerfully
explanatory as to how the churchgot to this moment.
I think at some point in theearly 20th century, chris,
perhaps during thefundamentalist modernist split,
is probably the best place toplace this split, if you will,

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or this new way for the churchto engage the culture.
That, by the way, is totallyforeign to the history of
Christendom, totally foreign tothe history of the church,
actually, over 1900 years.
It's probably somewhere aroundthe fundamentalist modernist
split, right where thefundamentalists are, you know,
trying to protect the purity ofChristian doctrine from every
new wave of heresy attacking thechurch, and so they focus.
This is maybe where we get likejust preach the gospel.

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They focus on, like we need topreach the truth of the
scriptures, verse by verse uh,theological purity, christian
doctrine, undefiled, againstthese waves of heresy and these
progressive attacks againstchristian orthodoxy.
But they completely pull backfrom the culture war.
They completely pull back fromcultural and political issues.

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And then the modernists justbecome your leftists, right, but
your modernists just becomeyour leftists right, but your
modernists just become your JimWallaces like Sojourners
Magazine, if anyone knows who.
That is total idiots.
They're actually apostates,right, but the modernists just
begin to create a hip, sexy,relevant Christianity.
That's actually just apostate,because they want to get the
applause of the world right andthey want to be like the world.

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But because the fundamentalistsweren't offering any substantive
rebuke to what was happening,or Christian understanding, or
worldview application of whatyour faith means in this kind of
culture and how shouldChristians stand, we get the
early seeds of this new sort ofcultural engagement within the

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church that says you know whatthe way to end abortion is, to
save souls?
Right, because people arepeople, are going to do evil
things.
But if they're, if they meetjesus and their hearts change,
then maybe they'll stop doingthese wicked things.
In fact, tim keller was famousfor this sort of engagement to
the culture, and I'll give youan example that I actually use

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in the book.
By the way, but, I think thereason I'm going to do it is I
think it's a perfect screenshotand it's sort of indicative of
how the church today chooses toengage the culture, and I'm
going to say it's all stupidnonsense, basically.
So Tim Keller has this essayfrom the late 90s, I think, in
Christianity Today.

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This will be hard for somepeople who love Tim Keller.
Listen, I've got some TimKeller books on my shelf.
I've benefited from them.
I'm open to rereading them.
Okay, I think God used him inmany ways, but I think he did a
ton of damage in the last 10 or15 years of his life.
I think no one moved theOverton window further left in
American evangelicalism than TimKeller actually is what I think

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.
And so he writes this essay andhe tells his story.
By the way, good luck finding aTim Keller sermon where he
calls abortion child sacrificeto bail or Moloch.
Find me a sermon where TimKeller preached against abortion
from the pulpit.
I don't mean in some podcastwhen he was asked are you
pro-life?
Okay, that's ridiculous.
I mean as the shepherd, okay,of Redeemer Presbyterian Church

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in New York City.
Find me a Tim Keller sermonwhere he preached boldly against
abortion.
I have not been able to find itin years of searching.
Okay, that should be your firstwarning sign, by the way.
And he writes this essay and hesays you know, this woman you
know came to our church one dayand she was an ACLU attorney,
right, aclu, radicalpro-abortion.
By the way, guess what?
In Margaret Sanger's earlygatherings, chris in Greenwich

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Village, new York City, wherethey were, you know, her friend,
mabel Dodge, was holding courtin these French-style salons
where they would have talksabout sex and how to overtake
the world.
And guess who was some of thoseearly gatherings with the
founder of Planned Parenthood,roger Baldwin, the co-founder of
ACLU.
So they were plotting thisstuff.

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You're not a conspiracy theoristor a QAnon Alex Jones weirdo
listener.
You're not that, if you think.
You know what?
Maybe they hatched a plan forhow to destroy Western
civilization and maybe it wastaught to professors who then
took on tenured positions atAmerican universities to shape
the minds of the next generation.
And maybe that strategy ofcultural degradation, of tearing
down the fruits of Christendomand replacing it with neo-pagan

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revivalism, maybe that wasactually hatched long ago and it
was taught to generations ofyoung people who then lived out
those premises in their life.
You're not a QAnon weirdtheorist.
If you believe that, that whathas happened, okay, and we can
get more into that if you'd like.
And so, anyways, no shockerthere.
The ACLU has been radicallyprogressive pro-abortion from
basically its inception.

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And so this ACLU attorneystarts attending Tim Keller's
church, right, tim Keller, whowas called at one point the CS
Lewis of the 21st century.
He was dubbed, and she'spro-abortion, and he tells this
story in his Christianity Todayarticle.
And she ends up getting saved,praise God, right, and she comes
, she gets involved in, I think,a Kathy Keller Bible study and

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she ends up coming to Pastor TimKeller one Sunday and says
Pastor Tim, is abortion wrong?
Because I'm starting to think,maybe it is.
Because I'm starting to thinkmaybe it is.
And Pastor Tim which, by theway, the fact that she didn't
know the answer to that questionis another indictment on the
ministry and preaching of TimKeller.
If she had been going there foryears and gotten saved, why had

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she never heard anything aboutthe slaughter of children in the
womb in the name of radicalfeminism?
The fact that she had to askthe senior pastor that at all is
an indictment on Pastor TimKeller's ministry and preaching,
by the way.
So, okay, anyways, get back tomy story.
So he says, yes, it is wrong.
Okay, he says it's wrong andshe goes.
Okay, yeah, and she goes.
I just want to tell you, pastorTim, that had I seen any

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references to the pro-lifemovement and the unborn child
when I began attending RedeemerPresbyterian Church, I would
have never come back.
But if abortion's wrong, shetells Pastor Tim, you should
certainly say it's wrong, butI'm glad about the order in
which you did it, meaning I'mglad that you never challenged

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people who are visiting or yourown believers.
Like I have to wonder how manybelievers at Redeemer
Presbyterian Church beforepastor Tim passed.
I have to wonder how many ofthem were pro-abortion and
voting for pro-abortionDemocrats.
Why?
Because pastor Tim was aregistered Democrat in the state
of New York.
Pastor Tim Keller was, but, bythe way, that's proof, like I
can show you that.

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Okay, um, and so I'm wonderinghow many of his congregants are
voting for Democrat politicianswho run on the platform of child
sacrifice, because he neverdisciples his people from the
pulpit on these matters.
And so Pastor Tim uses thisconversation with this ACLU
attorney who got saved at hischurch as an example.
I'm not ripping this story outof the context of his article.

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If your listeners would like togo find it.
He uses that as a screenshot oran application or an example as
to why we should not preachmoral truths before elevating
Christ.
He uses this as an example asto say we shouldn't be like
saying you shall do this and youshall not do this.
Right Meaning what Like don'tkill babies, rather we should be

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preaching Christ.
Right, meaning what Like don'tkill babies, rather we should be
preaching Christ right, andthen, when people get saved,
then maybe they'll stop killingtheir children, and so maybe
that's how we'll disciple thenations.
Of course, I always wanted toask Pastor Tim the question did
you apply that same evangelisticcultural engagement model to
racism?
And of course, the answer is no.

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The answer is no, chris, and Igive that example in the book
right, he has this sermon from2020, or a Facebook post or
something, and he says that tonot speak is to speak, that to
not vote is to vote, so I'm notgoing to vote for or against

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slavery and he says those peoplewere essentially casting a vote
for the status quo, which wasprotecting slavery by their
decision to not vote.
So he calls them morallyculpable and insinuates that
they were sinners, that it wassin to not vote against slavery,
but then he tells his owncongregation through his writing
, through this Facebook post,that you have spiritual license

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to vote for the same party thatbelieves a different class of
human beings aren't personstoday, because that's just good,
wise, strategic, evangelisticengagement with the culture,
which just goes to show you thathe doesn't have the same burden
for the lives of the unborn whoare being slaughtered in the
name of radical feminism that heallegedly did for the lives of
those being defined asnon-persons by the Democrat

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party and treated as property.
Okay, so like that, that's sortof a screenshot or an example
to answer your question.
Like why does the church notspeak boldly on these issues?
Where are the pastors right?
Why do we even have the phrasethe pro-life movement?
That's a good question to ask,because do you want to know what
the pro-life movement used togo by another name, chris,

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christendom, christendom.
Before there was a pro-lifemovement before 1973, it was the
local church standing againstinfanticide, the sexual
mutilation of children, theraping of little boys, the
sexual abuse of women and thekilling of babies in the womb.
Yes, abortion has beenmainstreamed and culturally
normalized in the West in a waythat we've never seen before in

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history, but abortion has alwaysbeen around.
There are early church fathersfrom the second, third and
fourth century publicly decryingabortions and calling for the
criminalization of all involvedin the killing of a baby in the
womb.
Okay, the church has alwaysstood against abortion and
infanticide, and they wereinvolved in rescuing infants
abandoned to die outside ofRoman infanticide walls because

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they were deemed unfit or thewrong gender or they had a cleft
lip.
And early Christians would rest.
They set up what were calledlife watches.
It was basically the firstiteration of sidewalk counseling
.
Well, maybe it was actually theHebrew midwives and the
rescuing of Moses, maybe it wasthat right, here's a baby we're
going to kill, we're going torescue them.

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But basically, first centuryChristians set up life watches
outside of the perimeter of theold Roman infanticide walls
where infants were abandoned todie from exposure to the weather
or from animals eating themalive.
And early Christians would setup believers to watch for when
Romans would abandon theirinfants and then they'd go
rescue them, raise them in thefear and admonition of the Lord
and adopt them into a Christianfamily.

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So, like before, there was apro-life movement.
This was what marked the earlychurch.
This is what marked the churchfor 1900 years was their
opposition to the same sorts ofevils that today, bro, we can't
even get most pastors to preachagainst from the pulpit, much
less have a ministry at yourchurch where you mobilize
believers to go, stand outsideof abortion centers and say

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baby's doomed to die, or tellyour people you have an
obligation to vote for thepro-life candidate and you have
an obligation to know who you'revoting for and to weed out
rhino Republicans who run on theplatform of protecting the
unborn but then betray theunborn when it really matters.
You have an obligation to votein such a way that would end the
slaughter of children.
How many pastors will say thatfrom the pulpit?

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And I'm telling you that that'snot asking for much.
What would be asking for muchwould be asking the church to
reclaim their spiritual mantleof Christian resistance, which
is that the local church wouldbe the ones outside of abortion
centers.
They would be the ones runningmen in their church for the
legislature to ban abortion.
That would be the WilliamWilberforce model of cultural

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engagement.
That would be what marked thechurch.
And so, again, there's manyanswers to that question, but I
think it's the idol of culturalrespectability.
To sum it all up, I think thatPastor Tim's pathetic excuse for
why he doesn't preach moraltruth or morality from the
pulpit, because that's legalism,that's lifting up moral truth

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before elevating Christ.
I think the real reason he didthat and why he defended that is
because he had a church in NewYork City, one of the most
leftist, progressive cities inthe entire country.
And so it would have been verydamaging to his tithing numbers
to preach like that in the citywhere Margaret Sanger hatched

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And how much of this alwayscomes back, says to follow the
dollar.
I mean, I feel like so much ofit becomes there as well.

Idol of mammon, yeah, yep.
So what I'm saying, I guess,brother, is that the church has
two options, two archetypes ofbiblical engagement of the
culture Lot or Gideon.
So Lot, when that culture ofdeath comes to the front door of

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the righteous.
So that culture of death, right, that Sodom culture isn't just
targeting the city, it'stargeting now the church.
Right, because Lot is calledrighteous, so he might be the
one remnant in Sodom which issort of damning with faint
praise, I guess.
And the mob comes to his doorand says bring out those angel

(41:25):
guests you have in there.
Because they say well, weactually, we want to do angel
rape on the sidewalk right hereoutside of your porch, lot, we
want to.
We like angel rape.
By the way, that's what'shappening in that scene,
listener, if you're offended bythat, you shouldn't listen to
this podcast.
That's in the Bible.
And then Lot says hey, I've gotsome daughters in the back, let
me go.
Get my daughters and you canrape them instead.

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Get my daughters and you canrape them instead.
So when the sexualized mobculture of death comes now to
the Christian family, ratherthan standing as a bulwark
between evil and the nextgeneration and saying you're
going to have to go through mefirst.
He hands over the nextgeneration and his own posterity
on a silver platter to thedemonically inspired culture of

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death and says here you go, haveyour way with them.
Just remember, invite me toyour parties.
And how do I know this?
Because you know, when Lotwalks out into his front porch,
chris, when they say, bring outthe angels so we can rape them,
the first thing he says is not,I hear my daughters.
The first thing he says is mydear friends hi, that's the.
Depending on the version of theit's.

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It's my brothers and sisters ordear friends.
Um, let me just say something,chris, I don't know about your
listeners but, speaking for mepersonally, I generally don't
refer to people that want tobang angels on the sidewalk as
my brothers and my sisters.
That's sort of a personalconviction for me.
You do, you, I guess, listenersof the lion within, but I
generally don't refer to thosepeople as my dear friends.
I don't have a ton of dearfriends that like angel rape on

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the public sidewalk, shocker,believe it or not.
They're not your brothers andsisters, lot, they're not.
And I'm not calling for likesort of like a nastiness or a
hatred of the unbeliever.
Like the Bible says, such weresome of you.
My point, chris, is that here'sa dude Lot who can't even
differentiate anymore betweenwho are his brothers and who are

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his sisters.
So how will he know to whom topreach this gospel of salvation
in the first place?
The culture of Sodom is socrept into Lot's heart that he
can't even differentiate anymorebetween who are his brothers
and sisters.
Lot was the Christianinfluencer of his day.
It says that he was positionedat the city gates to determine
the flow of traffic and todecide who gets into the city or

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not.
He would have been invited toall the right parties, bro.
He would have been apolitically elevated and
influential individual in thecity, kind of like Tim Keller,
bro.
I guess what I'm saying is thathe would have been Rick Warren's
plus one on the private jet toKlaus Schwab's World Economic
Forum every year.
And, by the way, rick Warren isinvited to the World Economic

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Forum every year.
Now Klaus Schwab's no longerthe director.
It's that guy with the weirdeyeball who looks like another
villain out of a Bond film,which is like, I think, just
God's humor to tell us stay awayfrom the World Economic Forum.
There's a reason why all theirCEOs look like a villain
straight out of a Bond film, bythe way, anyways.
But like, why is?
Why is Rick Warren invited to,to Klaus Schwab's event every

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year, chris, and not GaryHamrick or Jack Hibbs, I guess,
is what I'm asking.
Why?
Because the former is ahireling and the latter can't be
bought.
That's the spirit of lot.
That's what represents themodern day churches,
evangelistic, strategic model ofcultural engagement, and it's a
pile of excrement.
It's the idol of culturalrespectability.

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So, anyways, lot's wife becomesin death what he should have
been in life a pillar of salt.
But salt's supposed to preserveand conserve something.
And if I've read the Bible andI've read the Old Testament,
chris, I'm pretty sure correctme if I'm wrong here, but I feel
like God's most colorfullanguage.

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Can I say on your show whenGod's the most pissed off?
I feel like it's when they'relike having sex with everything
and killing babies.
I feel like that's when God'sthe most pissed.
In the Old Testament, psalm 106says you sacrificed your sons
and daughters to demons, and theland is desecrated with blood,
and so I give you over to beruled by those who hate you.

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That's the end of Psalm 106,meaning I don't care anymore.
Here are pagan hordes to ruleyou later.
And why?
He said because you sacrificedyour sons and daughters.
Okay, yeah.
So what does God care the mostabout?
Conserving and preserving?
Children, the voiceless, younglittle babies Can't speak or

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defend themselves.
Women, the weaker vessel.
I feel like maybe that's whatGod cares the most about
conserving and preserving.
I thought that's what salt'ssupposed to do.
Locke can't even conserve orpreserve his own family or
daughters, but offers them up assex toys to the cultural mob so
he can remain relevant.
I'm saying that the modern dayAmerican church is right now in
the process of offering up thenext generation on a silver

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platter to the cultural demonsso they can remain relevant and
get the ties of their registeredDemocrats who attend their
church that they refuse to callto repentance.
That's one archetype and Ithink that represents most of
the American church's culturalengagement.
Or there's Gideon, who tearsdown all of the sex idols and

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all of the baby sacrifice idolsand judges sex, burns it and
lights it on fire, which is likenot very tolerant, by the way.
Uh, to burn down the midianites, um, gods, and then uh, like,
like I guess like god likes thethe scent of burning demon flesh
, god tells him to chop up theasherah poles, light it on fire

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as a sacrifice to me.
And then, when the Midianiteswake up in the morning, they go
what did you do?
What did you?
Where are our gods?
And they knew that it wasGideon, which, by the way, is a
total, epic sign of hischaracter.
The first thing they say is hey, jehoash, gideon's father.
The first thing they say isyour son, Gideon, did this.

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Like, don't you want to be thekind of man who, like, when you
tear down all the demon babysacrificial idols, the culture
goes Dang it.
It was probably Chris Granger.
Like I'm telling you whatthey're not going to go dang it.
It was probably Rick Warren orRussell Moore.
Like, no, no, no, it's becausethey're writing sponsorship
checks to Christianity Today sothat they'll prop up theological
liberalism from their magazine.

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Like, go read my friend MeganBasham's book Shepherds for Sale
.
Like, most of these Christianinstitutions are getting checks
from left-wing pro-abortionbillionaires, okay.
Like the culture is not goingto think it's them tearing down
the idols.
Like the first thing that goesit was stinking Gideon and they
call for his head.
Okay, but this is beforeGideon's armies, before Gideon's

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300s.
Before God conquers the paganhordes, he says deal with the
idols in your own land first.
Stop tolerating the sex idolsof Asherah and the baby
sacrifice idols of Baal.
Tear it all down, then we'lltalk.
And Gideon does it.
He tears it all down.
That doesn't represent thespirit of the American church

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today.
We're much more like Lot.
And how does Lot's story storyend, by the way?
Um well, the kind of sexualidolatry that he tolerated in
his city.
He ends up imbibing in his ownfamily.
Isn't this the guy who laterhas sex with his own daughters?
I'm saying there areconsequences to tolerating these
kinds of evils and doingnothing to stand against it, and

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it's time for the Americanchurch to wake up A hundred,
100% and that kind of is a greatsegue to the white rose
resistance.

I mean, I definitely when I read the 1.0,
again, never got taught to me inmy history classes and it was a
history lesson there on thebeach of what that was.
And now, because there'sprobably guys listening, you
know 45 minutes in they're likeall right, I got to do something
.
So this White Rose Resistanceis where it all is headed.
So give us a little breakdownof what that looks like.

Yeah, so yeah, there's a reason why I named the
ministry the White RoseResistance.
I didn't come up with thattitle, I sort of adopted it from
the first White Rose Resistancein Nazi Germany, and this was a
collective of young christianstudents in their 20s.
There was a professor involved,professor hubert, who I think
was in his 40s or late 30s, butthe rest of them were all kids

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in their 20s.
They were christians by andlarge, most of them right, and
they were horrified at what washappening.
And this is one of the leastknown but most inspirational
stories of like christiancourage, christian resistance
against the culture of death.
Um of the 20th century, um.
These people are nationalheroes in germany, but they're

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less known in the americanchurch today.
And I believe one of the waysthat we get courage and
inspiration for the future andfor the fight before us now is
to know the stories of theheroes who came before us.
Sure, right, those who don'tknow their history, as Churchill
said, are doomed to repeat it.
Psalm 87, if I'm rememberingcorrectly, psalm 83, says

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something like righteousnesscannot be done in a land of
forgetfulness, and so FrancisSchaeffer once said the
ignorance of the church is moredangerous for a culture than the
decadence of the world Right.
Hosea 4.6,.
God says my people are beingdestroyed for lack of knowledge.

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Okay, so I just gave you liketwo or three Bible verses, gave
you like two or three Bibleverses.
Jill Pohl in the Silver Chair,the penultimate Narnia book.
She finds herself on Aslan'smountain after Eustace has
fallen and been taken away toNarnia.
And Aslan tells Jill Pohlyou're going to go to Narnia and

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I have an expedition or a jobfor you.
But to pull this off, to freethe prince and break the spell
and save the land, you need toremember the signs I'm going to
give you.
Remember them, repeat them toyourself when you wake in the
morning and when you lie down atnight, and when you wake in the
middle of the night andwhenever strange things may

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happen to you, let nothing turnyour mind from following the
signs.
For when you lie down at nightand when you wake in the middle
of the night, and wheneverstrange things may happen to you
, let nothing turn your mindfrom following the signs.
For when you go down intoNarnia, the air will thicken and
your mind will begin to fog,and if you don't repeat the
signs, you'll forget them andyou'll miss them.
So remember, remember, remember.
Forgetfulness and remembranceare perhaps the measuring rods

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of faithfulness in the Bible andreveal to us that there are
only two kinds of peopleforgetful hearers and effectual
doers.
Righteousness cannot be done ina land of forgetfulness.
We have forgotten who we are inthe American church.
We've forgotten the stories ofthe saints and heroes before us.

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We've forgotten why we havehigh holy days and Christian
festivals to remember how Godmoved on that day, way back then
, and to teach it to ourchildren.
And so we're lost at sea,without moorings being beaten
about by every wave.
Lost at sea without mooringsbeing beaten about by every wave
.
This is just one attempt, myattempt to elevate one story to

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help the church remember who sheis and what she's called to.
And in 1942, a young 21-year-oldnamed Sophie Scholl and the
namesake of our third child, bythe way is walking the sidewalk
of Munich, germany, and shefinds a leaflet, a pamphlet, on
the ground and it says leafletsof the White Rose.
And she starts reading this andit's explicitly condemning the
crimes of the Nazis, asking goodpeople to wake up.

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They said things like if youknow, why do you not act?
They said we are the White Roseresistance.
We are your bad conscience andwe will not leave you alone.
And she's reading this leafletand this is 1942, yo.
So like people are alreadybeing murdered, okay, like the
ashes of those the Germansdefined as unfit and undesirable

(53:17):
are already falling on thesteeples of local churches whose
pastors are more like RickWarren than Gary Hamrick.
I mean, this is late now inthis fight.
And Sophie's reading thisleaflet and she thinks you know
what this sounds a lot like mybrother Hans.
He talks like this at dinnerall the time.
It sounds like something hecould have written.
Well, come to find out.
The White Rose Resistance hadnot only been co-founded, it was

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being run by none other thanher older brother, hans, a
24-year-old who was just tryingto protect his little sister.
You know he knew how dangerousChristian resistance was to the
Third Reich at this late hourand he didn't want his sister
involved.
But Sophie demanded to join andshe became the youngest member
and the only female of the WhiteRose Resistance.

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And she became the youngestmember and the only female of
the White Rose Resistance andfor the rest of 1942, they would
stay up late, writing, printingthese illegal leaflets and
shipping them to German homes.
They would take trains in themiddle of the night to major
German cities and drop these offeverywhere.
They became graffiti artistsand they would spray paint on
the walls of German-ownedbuildings the words down with
Hitler and the Nazis hated theWhite Rose Resistance.
But they didn't know who wasbehind it.

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They would come and paint overit the next day.
So in 1943, they take things tothe next level.
And on February 18th, 1943, sowhat are we now, 82 years?
Um, hans and Sophie walk ontothe campus at the university of

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Munich.
Now, um, if you know anythingabout this era, it wasn't just
the churches that had beenco-opted by the Nazis, it was
the universities as well.
Sure, and during class time,when the halls were silent, hans
and Sophie walked the halls ofthe University of Munich and
they begin to drop off theiranti-Nazi leaflets in the

(55:03):
university, in the hallways, andright as the bell rings
releasing class, sophie runsthree stories or flights of
stairs up to the third floorbalcony and she throws a hundred
leaflets three stories down tothe atrium below.
I mean, it's a pretty baller BAkind of act.
Like you know, when you throwpaper it goes everywhere, right,

(55:24):
and the janitor actually caughtSophie in the act called the
Gestapo and had Hans and Sophiearrested.
This was February 18th 1943.
They spend the next four days inprison being brutally
interrogated and physicallyabused.
I think Sophie's interrogationlasted for something like 13 or

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14 hours.
They refused to rat out orimplicate any of their other
friends, although Hans had triedto eat the last leaflet on him
to bury evidence.
But they found half of it.
They matched it to thehandwriting of a man named
Christoph Probst, who was partof the White Rose Resistance
that they did not want at theuniversity that day because his
wife was in the hospitalrecovering from childbirth Now

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for a daughter he'd never meet.
They met, they arrestedChristoph Probst hours later, on
the same day, and the three ofthem were in prison in
Stadelheim prison for four days,were in prison in Stadelheim
prison for four days.
Their bravery and courage andcalm in the face of death even
disturbed the prison guards, whoended up relaxing the rules to

(56:31):
let Hans and Sophie meet withtheir parents in a side room
right before being taken to theguillotine.
That would be the choppingblock.

Because it was a trial with no, it was like they
.

It was well this is , yeah, this is, yeah, this is
total kangaroo court.
Yeah, I mean, you know there'sa jury, but uh, the roland
fryser, uh the the presidingjudge, he's an interesting guy
to history and that guy was awhack job.
That guy was insane.
He was one of hitler'sfavorites, I think, frazier um,
so basically this guy justscreams at the jury and tells
them how to vote.

(57:06):
I mean, it's a kangaroo court,right?
Yeah, uh, during, actuallyduring the court proceedings,
this was pretty cool.
Uh, I think hans and sophie'sfather broke into the courtroom,
yeah during the proceedingsright and as he was escorted
away by the Nazis.
He screamed out you will one daystand where they sit.
Now you go.

(57:26):
Whoa, meaning the judgment seat, the judgment seat.
And Sophie and Hans refused torecant or apologize for any of
their deeds, deeds.
And in this meeting with hermother, right before she was
beheaded, sophie's mother lookedher doomed daughter in the eyes

(57:48):
and said remember Jesus.
Sophie and Sophie said yes, butyou too, mama.
You too.
Thanks to her prison cellmateElsie Gebel, who later wrote a
letter to Hans and Sophie'sparents telling them every final
moment of their daughter's life, we have some sense of where
Sophie's mind and head was atand her final thinking and

(58:12):
speaking.
And allegedly towards the endof her life in this prison cell,
sophie said how can we expectrighteousness to prevail when
there's hardly anyone willing togive themselves up individually
to a righteous cause?
And she looked out her cellwindow and she said such a fine

(58:33):
sunny day and I have to go now,but what is my death matter if,
through us, thousands of peopleare awakened and stirred to
action?
I think she was sitting in thatprison cell asking herself the
question that many AmericanChristians are asking today,
chris, which is something likethis what the heck is happening

(58:56):
to my country and how did we gethere?
I think most good common sense,especially patriots or
Christians post Fauci who I'mstill waiting to be hung in the
public square, I think are justsaying like what is going on?
How did this happen so quickly?
Of course, the answer is itdidn't happen so quickly.
It happened gradually fordecades and they're wondering
how did we get here?

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How do we stop this?
What's happening, mike?
I think Sophie was asking thosekind of questions as well.
Where is the church?
How did this happen?
And she said the real damagethis is a 21-year-old bro.
The real damage is caused byall of those millions out there
who just want to survive.
You know, it's the honest menand women who just want to be
left at peace, those who don'twant their little lives

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disturbed by anything biggerthan themselves, those with no
sides and no causes, those whowon't take measure of their own
enemies, those for whom freedom,honor, truth and principles are
just words, just literature.
Those who live small die small.

(01:00:10):
She said.
It's the reductionisticapproach to life.
If you keep it small, you'llkeep it under control.
If you don't make any noise,the boogeyman won't find you.
But it's all an illusion,because they die too.
You know those people who rollup their spirits into tiny

(01:00:33):
little balls so as to be safe.
Safe From what?
Life is always on the edge ofdeath.
Narrow streets guess what leadto the same place as wide
avenues and a little candleburns itself out, just like the

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flaming torch does.
But I choose my own way to burn.
Bro, who talks like that at 21?
That sounds like gk chestertonor tolkien or cs lewis.
That's a young woman with thelion of the tribe of judah
roaring inside of her.
The lion within, if you will,saying get off the battlefield,

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get off the bench, and you'llfind strength in time of need
and hope and rest for your soulsand join the lion of the tribe
of Judah on the battlefieldwho's already moving before you.
That's the kind of hero that thechurch celebrates for caring
more about obedience andfaithfulness and righteousness
and courage than accolades andattaboys and tax-exempt 501c3

(01:01:45):
write-offs.
That's the kind of story toteach to your children.
That's the kind of heritage andlegacy to remember and
celebrate and to try to claimfor our own today.
Their courage and theirmovement was so powerful that it
caught the attention of aGerman pastor who was engaged in

(01:02:06):
similar Christian resistance bythe name of Dietrich Bonhoeffer
, who was supposed to meet withHans and was waiting for him in
a coffee shop in Berlin, andHans didn't show up for that
meeting because he had beenbeheaded some days before and
was waiting for him in a coffeeshop in Berlin, and Hans didn't

(01:02:27):
show up for that meeting becausehe had been beheaded some days
before.
This is just one story ofChristian resistance and courage
against the same kinds of ideasand the same kinds of evils and
the same kinds of worldviewsthat not only brought us the
Holocaust but have brought useugenics, darwinism, obergefell,
roe versus Wade, transgenderismand the sexual mutilation of
the next generation.

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There's differences between someof those ideologies, but by and
large they share the samefundamental core common
denominators.
The church begins to realizeand reckon with these ideologies
as fundamentally false religion, not as an alternative politics

(01:03:08):
, but an alternative religionthat sets itself up against the
knowledge of God that this isman's attempt to create a Christ
and a gospel and a world intheir own image.
Until the church begins to seethat for what it is and to
preach boldly against it anddisciple the next generation to
fulfill their cultural mandatein Genesis 1, then none of this
insanity and evil is going to goaway, and so we're rebuilding
the White Roads.
Resistance, chris, for thisgeneration, against our silent

(01:03:30):
but far more deadly holocaust ofabortion, before it's too late.
According to the executionerwho murdered Sophie Sophie, yes,
he was interviewed laterSophie's final words, with her
head on the chopping blockbefore the blade fell, was the
sun still shines, and Hans'final words, like William

(01:03:56):
Wallace, was freedom.
And over the next few monthsthey found the rest of their
friends and they murdered themas well.
So ended the White Roseresistance.
Because no one listened to them.
No one joined their movement andthe church remained asleep at
the wheel and Hitler's genocidal, maniacal Holocaust continued

(01:04:17):
for another two and a half years.
But we believe while roseblossoms may perish in the fall,
bro, they reappear in thespring.
And while all of the members ofthe White Rose Resistance were
found and executed, theirsacrifice has planted the good
seeds of Christian resistance inthe hearts of millions, whose
actions keep alive the legacy ofthe White Rose.
And your sacrifice, listener,will water the seeds of

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resistance.
So one day, maybe we too cansay the sun still shines, but
perhaps spelled S-O-N.
So the White Rose Resistance weare a digital media activism
organization.
We produce films, books,literature, activism tools,
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We do a book club at $70 amonth where we read books
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Some are full-time paid regionalcoordinators, some are
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the family before it's too late,but first and foremost that of
abortion.
Because if it's true that thehand that rocks the cradle rules
the world, then it is equallytrue that the hand that wrecks
the cradle ruins the world, andthis is why abortion functions
as sort of the sacrament ofsatan, or the sacrament of

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secularism, if you will.
And that's what we're trying toget the local church to wake up
and realize, and hopefully theywon't wake up too late, because
the church did wake up too latein nazi germany.
They've woken up too late toomany times before, and so we're
living in this sort of season ofthe last stand.
So the next film and book I'mworking on are called the Last

(01:06:08):
Stand.
So that's who we are, that'swhat we do, and thanks for
letting me share my heart, chris.

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This has been incredible.
I mean just as a partingmessage.
What would be one thing youhope the men listening remember
the most from the conversationtoday Seth.

Seth Gruber (01:07:15):
Yeah, we're in this position because of men, and
that's not to say that thefeminazis aren't responsible for
destroying the culture.
I think the feminazis areresponsible for destroying the
culture.
I've done whole shows on mypodcast, the Seth Gruber Show,
which you can watch on YouTube,rumble or any audio podcast
platform.
I have whole episodes on thehistory of feminism, going back

(01:07:36):
to Mary Wollstonecraft duringthe French Revolution and how
first wave, second, third wavefeminism all flowed seamlessly
into one another.
That brought us transgenderismLike.
Believe me, the feminazisdestroyed our culture as well,
but men stood by and did nothingSimilar to Adam in the garden.
We are still standing by andwatching the women make the bad
decisions and we're not speakingup.

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So we're culpable as well.
I know there's people like tojoke in the church like it was
Eve who brought sin into theworld, but it's really it's.
It's, it's really not true.
I mean, it says Adam wasstanding right there next to her
, and the men of the West arestill today standing next to the
women of the West watching themeat the fruit, and too many of
those men aren't just takingbites of the fruit themselves,

(01:08:19):
they're cheering on the rottenfruit that's being eaten by the
next generation, and so Ibelieve that men are crucial to
the solution because they'recalled to be protectors and
providers.
Probably your men were fuminglistening to this when we were
discussing Lot, because everyman feels that sort of
protection of their own children.

(01:08:41):
You know, can you I meanimagine saying, here are my
daughters, rape them instead,like we love to rap on Lot,
because he does nothing toprotect his own children.
But what are you doing, man, toprotect your children and your
grandchildren, who are not hereyet, who will inherit the
culture that you live in now?
It was Bonhoeffer who once saidthe ultimate test for a moral

(01:09:03):
society is the kind of worldthat it leaves to its children.
The culture we hand to ourchildren will be the culture
that we created.
A culture is to us what wateris to a fish.
It's all we know.
It's what we swim in, and wehelp control the environment
that we swim in.
And so I guess the call to menis to stop making excuses and

(01:09:26):
don't stand by the sidelinesanymore.
There's many things you can do.
I mean, if you're living in ablue Democrat state, you should
try showing up at an abortioncenter sometime, where they're
still killing babies throughsurgical abortions and you
should graciously try to pleadwith moms driving in to talk to
you and to choose life and tooffer them the help and support
of your local church.
That would be a pretty boldfirst step of action to take.

(01:09:48):
Begin to inform yourself aboutthe political landscape of your
state.
We got a lot of people who runon a conservative, pro-life
platform, who are Republicans,but then they end up betraying
the cause of the unborn when itreally matters.
So you can't just say voteRepublican.
You have to find the rightpeople.
Maybe your church needs tostart running the right people,
spirit-filled men who feelcalled by God to run for office
to protect the children.
There's so many things you cando.

(01:10:08):
Our ministry offers sometraining and mobilization and
some inspiration and some tools.
You can bring me out to speakat your church.
I can host a screening of myfilm, the 1916 Project.
Begin with knowledge.
If we're being destroyed forlack of knowledge, then seek
knowledge.
Begin to understand how we gothere, so that you're fired up to
do something and you understandhow to reverse, engineer the

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sexual revolution.
But GK Chesterton once said thetrue soldier fights not because
he hates what is in front ofhim, but because he loves what
is behind him.
Chesterton said that we'reperpetually being told that what
is wanted is a strong man whowill do things, but what is
really wanted is a strong manwho will undo things, and that

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will be the real test ofstrength.
That's Gideon.
Gideon undoes reverse engineerswhat had happened with the
Midianites and the Israelites.
He tears down the statues, hedestroys the norms and God bless
all that is normalized andcelebrated.
And simply learn to say no.
Sometimes, showing up andsimply saying no is enough.

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Right, we did a rally outside ofthe abortion center that was
due to open in Beverly Hills in2023.
And my buddy Pastor, jack Kibbsone of my earthly heroes put
out the word as well, and weended up having gosh.
I think over a thousand peopleshut down half the street.

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It was a Washington DC basedabortion center called DuPont.
They specialize in full-termabortions, third trimester,
full-term full-term Meaningthere's like that baby could
just be delivered and put up foradoption.
But these mothers want to killthese full term children and
DuPont was expanding to BeverlyHills because of the overturning
of Roe v Wade and Californiahad codified abortion into the

(01:12:09):
state constitution.
We got wind of this.
Our friends at Survivors of theAbortion Holocaust did most of
the legwork.
We helped provide the crowd andpull people out and I spoke.
We had speakers, pastors andworship.
In the middle of the event, oneof the event organizers got an
email from the lawyerrepresenting the building owner

(01:12:31):
saying that the building ownerhad just rescinded the lease to
DuPont and was not allowing themto open in that facility.
In the middle of our protest,with just a thousand believers
in Southern California where weshould have had like 10,000
believers I mean there's moreCalvary chapels South of Van
Nuys than there are Dunkin'Donuts Okay, in Southern
California, like my gosh.

(01:12:52):
Okay, this is one of the mostlike church saturated areas we
only get a thousand.
That's kind of pathetic if youthink about it Right, and the
center shuts down.
The building owner shuts downthe lease in the middle of our
prayer and worship and speakers,and they're still trying to
find a building to operate in.
Now the pessimist in me saysthis Chris, well, what's the big

(01:13:16):
deal?
It's California.
Abortion is still legal throughpoint of birth.
A woman who would have gonethere will find somewhere else
to go.
That's the pessimist in me.
But the takeaway lesson fromthat is this what if the local
church in Southern Californiahad been showing up that often,
that loud for the last 50 years,amen, we wouldn't be in the

(01:13:38):
position that we're in at all.
That's the takeaway.
Men need to learn how to standup.
Go find where you buried yourtesticles, reattach them.
Find yourself some testicularfortitude, which is a biblical
concept, maybe not by that term,but find yourself some
testicular fortitude.
Find yourself some courage.

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Don't wait till you feelcourageous.
Don't wait till you feel asburdened for the unborn as I am.
It's like CS Lewis said don'twait until you feel love for
your neighbor to begin lovingyour neighbor.
Begin loving your neighbor andyou'll come to find that you
love your neighbor.
Don't wait till you feel thesame fire in your belly that I
have Though I'm kind ofconcerned if you don't but go

(01:14:23):
anyways in obedience and youwill come to find that you are
righteously indignant againstthis kind of evil.
That's right.
Men need to learn how to standup, speak up, push back and show
up, and just learn to say youknow what?
No, and men who are called tolead the church ought to be the
ones doing that, locally, allacross the country.

(01:14:44):
But we've read too many timkeller books.
We've read too many rick warrenbooks.
We have the spirit of lot andunless something changes, I'm
saying right now, you will losewestern civilization.
Now, okay, maybe that's god'splan, right?
Right, I mean, the blood of thesaints is the seat of the
church, chris.
Maybe God's plan is for thechurch to go into real

(01:15:07):
persecution in California, Imean sorry, in America.
By the way, earlier this year,let's see, I think it was May
the gay married, quote unquote.
You can't be gay marriedbecause there's no such thing.
But the governor of Coloradojust signed a bill in May that
functionally would allow thestate to kidnap your minor,

(01:15:29):
gender confused kid and sue anyparent who's non-gender
affirming under child abusestatutes and remove the kid.
Okay, that's happening under aTrump administration at a local
state level in Colorado.
Okay, you can't go too muchfurther off that cultural cliff
before you lose yourcivilization forever.

(01:15:51):
And of course, we haven't gotteninto all the like immigration
stuff which connects to all thisstuff.
That is sorry.
The illegal invasionimmigration, because the
Democrats plan is to make allthose people voters and history
has shown that illegalimmigrants who come here tend to
vote Democrat for twogenerations at least.
So good luck.
Abolishing abortion church whenthe Democrat party has

(01:16:12):
fundamentally changed the votingblock so that they imported
illegal aliens and foreignvoters, gave them citizenship,
knowing they'll all vote forDemocrats, and just ruined the
voting sort of red landscape ofSouth Dakota or North Dakota or
Tennessee.
Good luck getting goodlegislation passed when now you
have, out of nowhere, illegalpeople suddenly given

(01:16:35):
citizenship who are going tovote for abortion.
A lot of people don't like itwhen I speak about other issues
that aren't abortion, becausethey say, seth, stay in your
lane.
But all this stuff connects.
Like, how are we supposed toabolish abortion at the state
level because Roe v Wade sendsit back to the states, when the
Democrat Party right now aretrying to give citizenship,
therefore voting rights, to abunch of illegals who they know
will vote for Democrats, that is, for abortion?
How are we going to do this?

(01:16:55):
Like?
You have to consider all thesethings.
We haven't even got to any ofthat, of course, but until the
local church begins to speakinto these issues and disciple
the next generation, none ofthis is going to stop.
Jd Unwin, in his book Sex andCulture, studied 86
civilizations, 86 civilizationsover 5,000 years, and found a
100% correlation between sexualinsanity, kooky, weirdo stuff

(01:17:20):
like that we see through theWest right now and the decline
of that civilization and a 100%correlation between sexual,
monogamous, heterosexual,marriage-based cultures and
cultural advancement.
That's not like a Christiantheological truth.
That's observable historicalfact that when civilizations and
societies go the way that we'regoing and what do I mean by

(01:17:42):
that?
I mean cutting off the penisesand genitals of minors.
That's what I mean.
I mean hiding the genderidentity from parents of a
12-year-old at the junior highschool, upon the wish of that
12-year-old who doesn't want hisparents to know that when he
gets to school he changes into adress and he asks them to call
them Sally, him, sally.

(01:18:05):
I'm talking about the state ofColorado kidnapping kids.
I'm talking about a documentaryI was in called the War on
Children that my friend Robbieand Landon Starbuck put together
.
That you should go watch rightnow thewaronchildrencom.
Thewaronchildrencom, where amom is interviewed in that
documentary as one of the guestsalongside myself whose daughter
in California was kidnappedfrom her by the state of
California, who was genderconfused, and they were hiding
her from the mom because the momwasn't going to be gender

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affirming until that daughterstepped in front of a train and
killed herself.
The state of Californiakidnapped a minor to protect her
from her non-gender affirmingparent and that daughter, who
thought she was a boy, killedherself by stepping in front of
a train.
That's the kind of stuff I'mtalking about.
Okay, I'm talking about likethree gay dudes whose story I
just looked at recently who areliving together and having sex

(01:18:47):
with one another and they'reraising children in the same
home.
So these moms have, these kidshave no mommies, but they have
three daddies and they're beingtaught that that's normal.
So children don't have nolonger have a right to a mother
and a father.
I'm talking about children whoare bought and sold in

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third-party reproductivetechnologies.
Shall I continue, chris?
I'm saying that those kinds ofthings can't continue for too
much longer, until you reach acultural cliff that you won't
climb back out of.
And I'm not smart enough totell your listeners when that is
.
Is it five years out, is it 10years out?
Is it 40 years out?
I don't know, but we all senseit, don't we?
We all sense that we're livingin that season of a last stand.
I would prefer Westerncivilization to preserve, to

(01:19:32):
continue, for the sake of mychildren and grandchildren, for
the sake of kids who are not myown but whose genitals I don't
want chopped off because of someGnostic dualism heresy called
transgenderism.
That the church is silent aboutthat convinces them that
they're trapped in the wrongbody.
For the sake of humanflourishing and the family in
America, I prefer for Westerncivilization to continue, and it

(01:19:54):
will not if the church does notwake up and begin to contend
against these ideologies asfalse religion, preach against
them as such and disciple thenext generation.
If this continues for the next30 or 40 years, I'll leave your
listeners, and the menparticularly, with a little bit
of hope.
If nothing changes and wecontinue to go off this cultural
cliff, one of the ways we mightwin in the end is by

(01:20:18):
outbreeding them.
Hmm, this is sort of a darkthought and we should never
rejoice too much is byoutbreeding them.
This is sort of a dark thoughtand we should never rejoice too
much.
When the wicked fall into a pit, although the imprecatory
Psalms, I pray, oh God, thatthey would fall into a pit and
everyone else that follows afterthem.
That's totally biblical.
But we shouldn't like getexcited about the left like

(01:20:41):
aborting, transing andvaccinating themselves into
extinction.
But if you know, we shouldn'tlike get excited about the left,
like you know, aborting,transing and vaccinating
themselves into extinction.
But if that continues, they are, they are putting themselves
extinct.
Like you know, who's having themost babies?
Like by the numbers,conservative religious people
are having the most babies inAmerica.
I guess what I'm saying is is goback to Genesis one, fill the

(01:21:01):
earth and subdue it, have abunch of babies and raise them
to be little dragon slayers whofear God and God alone, uh, and
outbreed them and take back thereins of political power because
we outnumber them and preserveWestern civilization.
Um, uh, former Indiana governor, um, uh, oh, man, what was his
name?
Mitch, was it Mitch?

(01:21:22):
Daniel Was once asked governor,how do we defeat the libs?
And he said well, it's sort oftricky.
I mean, you can outthink them,outstrategize them, but that's
difficult because they're prettycrafty, or you can outbreed
them, and I recommend the latterbecause the latter is more fun,

(01:21:44):
definitely, definitely, seth.

This has been incredible.
Where do you want to send theguys?
Obviously to get connected withthe 1916 Project for their
church.
But just all your resources,all your content, white Rose.
What are the links?

Yeah, thewhiteroselife is our main
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We're of course on Instagram.
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I have the Seth Gruber showanywhere.
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Host a screening of the film atyour church by going to the
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And then you can join our WhiteRose app where, if you're $35 a
month or more, you can actuallywatch the 1916 Project.
You can go through curriculum,pro-life apologetics, activism,
training, a pro-life masterclassall this really cool stuff

(01:22:54):
that's on there.
Communities, resistancechapters $70 a month, we call
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So you read books with yourstruly and we talk about it every
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more, but that's how people cansupport the ministry or learn
more.
And thanks for letting meramble, chris.

Seth, this has been awesome.
We'll get those links up foryou guys, and we got to have you
back on at some point, for sure.

Awesome.
Well, let's do it.

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(01:24:05):
So thankful for Seth, for justthe way he shared.
The question for you is how areyou defending the voiceless in
today's culture?
You got to be able to answerthat question.
Now, if you need help, if youneed support, if you want those
resources Seth mentioned, go,check out the show notes,
connect with me, send me anemail.
I'd be glad to send that stuffto you.
I want to make sure you getwhat you need so that you're

(01:24:27):
ready to push back All right.
So, again, so thankful for him.
Head over to thelinewithinusfor all our resources as well.
We're definitely we're lookingto even Seth and I talk.
We may even be starting achapter or something to just
equip you guys as well.
So if this sparks you and youreally are like Chris, I got to
do something.
Send me a note,chrisdelanguazanus.

(01:24:49):
I want to hear from you.
We'll get connected, we'll talkand we'll see how we, together,
can go fight against thisformidable opponent.
But we have the Holy spirit and, as Seth revealed man, there's,
there's some powerful thingsthat we can do to truly take
action.
So thank you guys for listening.
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