September 17, 2025 • 48 mins
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Chris Grainger (00:03):
Welcome to the Lion Within Us, a podcast
serving Christian men who arehungry to be the leaders God
intended you to be.
I'm your host, chris Granger.
Let's jump in.
All right, guys, this is yourmeat episode.
Let's get right into it, okay?
So the scripture of the weekthis week is in the book of
Ecclesiastes, the fourth chapter, the tenth verse.
It says for if either of themfalls, the one will lift up his
companion, but woe to the onewho falls when there is not
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another to lift him up.
Guys, if you get a chance, goback and listen to the spiritual
kickoff episode.
If you missed it.
I took some time to unpack thatverse at length to help you
simplify and apply it to yourlife.
Hopefully, you'll find itencouraging.
This is a very difficult versefor me to work through right now
and I was really trying to beas transparent as I could be in
that spiritual kickoff episode.
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Okay, so for this conversation,I'm super pumped to have back
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Pastor Tim Timberlake Loveworking with him.
He is the global senior pastorof Celebration Church and has 17
locations located inJacksonville, florida.
I mean, tim is just a great guy.
If you remember him on the showhe's been, he's been a previous
guest, uh, he is from fromwhere I'm from here back in, uh,
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north Carolina.
Actually, his the originalchurch is right there in North
Carolina, so it's uh, so it'spretty cool to have those ties
again.
He's uh, just a great, greatguy.
Avid sports fan out ofJacksonville, now with his wife
and his son, and Tim when he'spouring into others, which
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you're going to hear in thisconversation, that's when he
comes to life, fellas.
So hopefully you're going toenjoy this conversation with my
friend, pastor Tim Timberlake.
Tim Timberlake (02:24):
Okay.
Chris Grainger (02:26):
Well, Tim, welcome back to the Lion Within
Us.
How are you doing today?
Tim Timberlake (02:28):
Doing very well.
Thank you so much for having meback on and honored to have
this conversation with you.
Chris Grainger (02:35):
For sure.
I mean it's a very timely one.
I'll reveal why here in aminute, once we get started, but
I'm just curious, since werecorded together last, it was
probably 2023, what's new inyour life?
Tim Timberlake (02:48):
Man, I like to say a bunch of the same that's
absolutely new.
Okay, you know it's a bunch ofthe same, but it looks new.
It's a new day and so,approaching it and kind of
addressing those things as theykind of come, you know, life
every single day presents newvictories and new challenges,
(03:12):
and I think the longer we live,the more we have to get
accustomed to navigating, day byday, different and with the
nuance that each day requiresand deserves.
And so, not a lot new, a lotfresh, for sure.
I think if everything is new,something is wrong.
So I would say it's more freshthan new.
Chris Grainger (03:34):
I like that Fresh.
Fresh better than new.
There you go.
Well, I'm blessed you sent me acopy of this book and I'm going
to give you a kind of behindthe scenes, tim, on the way I
work.
So usually I get, I get lots ofbooks and I definitely try to
read all of them.
Guilty, I'm not always able to,so I put this one to the side.
(03:55):
I'm like this is Tim's, it'sgoing to be awesome, can't wait
to read it.
I know we were recording today.
Well, on Saturday I was workingon my farm here in Cremor
that's right Close to yourfamily church, absolutely.
A tree fell and broke my ankle,oh no, it crushed me and my
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foot was jelly.
Ambulance had to come, oh man.
So right now I got it on a bootunderneath the table here on the
studio.
I wasn't canceling recordingyou don't cancel that so.
I was sitting there, theydischarged me.
I have surgery scheduled fornext Wednesday, so I'm in a boot
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right now.
But they discharged me Saturdaylate and I got home and this
book was sitting next to the bed.
I'm like all right, lord, youput this off for now, so within
the next several hours.
I just dug into it and I readit cover to cover and I will
tell you what.
The chapter one which we'lldive into for sure is where I'm
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at, because, as a guy on thefarm, I do it all, I do so much,
and the fact is now the Lordhas literally said nope you got
to ask for help.
And then I opened this up, yourchapter one.
No thanks, I'm good.
Tim Timberlake (05:15):
Like that's been my life man.
Chris Grainger (05:18):
And so just walk us through, like why you wrote
the book or I mean what?
Obviously I know a lot now justbecause I literally just read
it.
Yeah, Give me some insightbehind the drive, behind this
one.
Tim Timberlake (05:30):
Absolutely.
I think, you know, particularlyas men I know we had a lot of
men listen to this podcast Ithink, particularly as men, we
have this sense of I can takethis journey by myself, and some
of us have the mentality Iwould rather take this journey
by myself and some of us havethe mentality I would rather
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take this journey by myself.
And the reality is is that onthis bumpy road we call life,
you may be able to take it byyourself, but it would be
unenjoyable.
You have to walk this road outwith somebody and my prayer is
that people listening to thiswould, number one, walk it out
with Jesus.
Number two, walk it out incommunity to allow and assure us
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that we're not on this journeyof life alone.
And I'm kind of in the processof looking back over some of the
things in my life that I couldhave better walked alongside of
people in, and I think themessage of Jesus Christ will
continually be written in ourlife as long as we are alive.
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And the bumpy road to better isjust kind of a comma in the
journey of life and some of theobstacles, some of the hurdles,
some of the traumas and thetriggers that I've endured and
overcome that have led me tothis stage and to this point in
life, and so that's kind of thepremise behind it.
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It's unlocking the power ofhard things, and I believe you
know, oftentimes in life we prayfor miracles but we avoid the
hard seasons and the hard thingswhere the miracles will be
provided for us, and so if werun from the hard things, we'll
never be able to see themiracles and the breakthroughs
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the way Jesus intends for us toRight right, 100%, I mean.
Chris Grainger (07:22):
The very first example you gave was about your
LASIK surgery.
And as I was sitting there,literally asking my wife to
bring me everything.
Tim Timberlake (07:29):
I was like I can , I'm feeling this right now.
Chris Grainger (07:33):
So, but I mean you're you're.
I mean, you're just like me.
You're a big guy, you're astrong guy, You're very capable.
So I can only imagine in thatseason how difficult that was to
you know you can't do it.
Tim Timberlake (07:45):
You have to reach out.
Not only are you dependent onsomeone, but you can't see
clearly.
You know, and so you have totrust that what you think is
there is actually there, and Ithink that's a great depiction
of faith right Now.
Faith, according to Hebrews,chapter 11, verse one, is the
substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.
(08:07):
When you close your eyes andyou stand up and you have to
find your way back to your seat,that takes an element of faith,
that takes an element ofbelieving that what you cannot
see will actually be there whenyou need it to be the most.
And so I think, in life, whenwe depend on Jesus and we anchor
our faith in him, the thingsthat we cannot see he's actually
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providing and he's performing.
It's not our job to perform,it's our job to believe and
anchor our faith in him, and heprovides and he performs.
And so I think if we can getaccustomed to that, I think if
we can make that a daily rhythm,it makes this road that is very
bumpy a lot better Right.
Chris Grainger (08:49):
You also mentioned like five reasons that
guys don't ask for help.
I'm just going to call them outreal quick.
I'm curious for you, thoughwhich?
Which one do you feel like youfall into the most?
And then also, which one do youhear other guys Is there?
Is there a common one that youthink guys tend to gravitate to?
But you say you don't know whatyou don't know.
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You've always done things onyour own, so that guilty as
charged.
You think it's not okay not tobe okay.
You're embarrassed to admit youneed help, or you just like to
be in control.
So which one for you?
Tim Timberlake (09:25):
the stumbling block.
Mine is I've always done thingson my own, and so I was the
only boy in my family by birth.
My parents adopted two moresons later on in life, but I
grew up with sisters and so,although I was in a house full
of people, I was by myself and Igot that's why you're so tough,
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that's it, that's it, man.
So them girls wore me out, man,but I got accustomed to doing
things alone.
I got accustomed to doingthings by myself, and you just
develop a rhythm in life ofbeing content with being
surrounded by people but stilldoing things alone.
(10:09):
And I think you know that's oneof the challenges I still have
today at 41, working throughnavigating.
No, I have capable peoplearound me that desire to do
these things with me, thatdesire to do these things with
me, and so to yield and to bepliable and flexible, to do
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those things with the peoplethat I love.
It's very important, and soit's.
It may be quicker to do italone, but you'll last longer
doing it alongside of somebodyelse.
Chris Grainger (10:39):
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
I know, for me too, so manyguys that come into the lion, I
think.
Number five, you know you, youlike to be in control.
That seems to be one that keepsrising up for lots of folks,
you know, this has been one forme too, because I definitely I'm
a I'm a self-proclaimed controlfreak and.
I'm really praying over it.
So I mean, where do you thinkthat one?
For so many guys seems it seemsto be just a big stumbling
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block.
Tim Timberlake (11:03):
I think, because for so long men have never
thought that they've had control.
Their lives have always beencontrolled by other people.
For instance, if you are ahusband and a father, the
majority of your time goestowards your family, your wife,
providing for them, and there'svery little time for yourself.
(11:27):
And so the things that you cancontrol, sometimes we over
control and we micromanagebecause we have not had that
opportunity or the margin tohave any capacity to do things
for ourselves.
And so I think a little bit ofit stems from that.
You know, you think about it.
When the kids need something,they run to mama.
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When mama needs something, sheruns to you.
But who do we run to?
You know, who do we turn to?
And the majority of the time wesuppress it and we tuck it, we
hide it, we pack it away and wecompartmentalize, because that
is just what men do, naturally.
And so we have this incredibleway of compartmentalizing
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everything.
And the best way for me tocompare it men's minds are like
malls.
You know, we have ourdepartment stores, our big
buckets, we have our smallerstores, but the majority of it
is that hallway man, and a lotof times we get stuck in the
hallway and we're in search forsomething, and we may not even
know what we're in search for,but we know we're searching for
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something, searching for more,searching for significance,
searching for fulfillment, andso whenever we get an
opportunity to grab a hold ofsomething that we think we can
control I think that's why it'ssuch a difficult thing to shake
loose of, because we haven't hadthat, that time and that margin
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for ourselves.
Chris Grainger (12:55):
Yeah, that's a great reflection.
Great reflection, all right.
I'm curious because anytime Icome across great acronyms, I
just got to know, from a writerstandpoint too.
But the acronym on help, I'vewrote it down, I've got it, I
got to highlight it because it'sprobably one of the best
acronyms I've heard in a longtime.
So I got to ask you straight upIs this yours?
(13:15):
Is this original?
To Tim it is.
How'd you come up with it?
And like, will you please walk,Cause I I'm telling you I just
think there's guys listeningthat that HELP acronym could be
a great blessing for them,because it blessed me in that
moment just by reading it andthinking about it and praying
through it.
So I'd love for you just tokind of explain that.
Tim Timberlake (13:34):
Yeah, so you know all of these concepts
really, they don't come from aplace of man.
I want this to be implementedbefore something happens.
All of these concepts come fromman.
I wish I had known this beforeit happened and I wish someone
would have taught me that.
And so, without giving you knowthe whole thing away because I
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do want our men to read it itstems from a place of pain.
It stems from a place ofunderstanding what I could have
done differently and trying tohelp the reader navigate the
various seasons where they feelhelpless and various seasons
where they feel hopeless.
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I believe those two things, theykind of run parallel to each
other, and so the acronym givesguardrails and it gives guidance
to navigate those things in apractical and applicable way,
and that's what I wanted to dowith that.
And you'll see other things inthe book that are very practical
.
But I wanted to take revelation.
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I wanted to take truth.
Revelation.
I want to take truth.
I want to take knowledge andwisdom and make it super
practical so that when thereader reads it, they can apply
it immediately and not have towonder okay, how does this apply
to my life?
And so I've learned that anacronym helps to make things
memorable.
Chris Grainger (14:58):
An acronym helps to make things retainable, so
yeah, well, I would just saythis home run on that.
I mean that that one when Icause I read so many books and
and sometimes it can feel likeyou're just going through them
again, and for sure, it's thesame thing, said differently,
but this was extremely uniqueand, uh, I'm all about being
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applicable as well.
So that was.
That was huge.
So, guys, if you're strugglingand you need some help right now
, just get the book, just forthat.
I mean, that would be huge foryou, for sure.
And one thing you call outthroughout the book as well is
how many guys, or people ingeneral, really want quick fixes
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or trouble-free lives, fixes ortrouble free lives, and and um,
there's a lot of resistance outthere to anything that causes
us, causes us, discomfort.
You know, people, they don'twant that, they don't want to go
through the hard part.
It's like the old sayingeverybody wants to be strong,
but no one wants to be sore,like you got to go through the
store to be strong.
So so I'm just curious you knowwhat, what, what's your, uh,
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what would you be yourreflection on that?
Tim Timberlake (16:04):
Yeah, so I.
I utilize the story in the bookin another part, but it applies
to what we're talking about now.
Everybody wants to bevictorious and triumph, but no
one wants to go through theprocess of battling to get the
victory.
I use the story in 2023, uh,the Jacksonville Jaguars are
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playing the Los Angeles Chargersand they go down substantially.
So I'm at the game.
As a matter of fact, I'm on thesidelines before the game
talking to the players, andeverybody is excited, hopeful.
This is a chance for them tobreak into the playoffs.
And so first quarter, they'redown.
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Second quarter, it seemsimpossible.
Excuse me, off the top of myhead, I think the score going
into halftime was 27 to 3.
And I remember at halftimethinking to myself man, I
probably should go down to thatlocker room.
You know what I'm saying.
I need to go down there andcheck on these guys and see.
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And I remember they came out ofthat locker room, chris, and
despite the score, they wereoptimistic, they had expectation
, they had anticipation.
And one of my guys shout outDaniel Thomas, incredible safety
for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I remember him saying on thesidelines guys, we've been here
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before, we've been here before.
God told me that the victorywouldn't come easy, but if we
fight for it we'll get it.
And he just kept saying we'vebeen here before and I think
when you're going through thosehardships, when you're going
through those battles, whenyou're going through those
moments, you got to remindyourself that God is the same
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yesterday, today and forevermore.
And if he's bought other greatmen and women out of the
challenges and the trials thatthey had faced, then he surely
will bring you out of the trialsand the situations that you
currently face.
And I think that's importantfor us to really remember and
and keep in context at theforefront of our mind, to know
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this too shall pass.
Chris Grainger (18:20):
That's right.
And in that story and thataccount rather than I mean that
from the book they turned itaround in the second half.
Yeah, it was a nail-biter.
They won by one point.
Tim Timberlake (18:32):
Won by one point , with no seconds on the clock.
They won by a field goal andthat stadium was electric, but
it wasn't always like that.
As a matter of fact, almosthalf of the stadium emptied out
because they thought that thegame was over.
And as the game got a lotcloser, people started to
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repopulate them seats.
And it's funny because the samething applies in life when
people can't see how God isgoing to give you victory,
they're a lot less active inyour life than they are from
understanding and knowing.
And so you know, I always sayseasons where God is revealing
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things and pulling back thingsare seasons where you do
inventory on what relationshipshave sustained the test of time
and those are the pillars ofyour life that you hang your hat
on and you really anchor, youknow true depth and meaning and
relationships in.
And so we go through thoseseasons.
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You know where the waves oflife they crash in and it seems
like oh man, this is great, butwe don't like when the wave
recedes.
But when the wave recedes itshows what needs to be cleaned
out.
And some of our men are in thatseason right now, on this bumpy
road where the wave is nowgoing out and they're saying,
okay, this needs to be cleanedup, this needs to be picked up.
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Don't rush through that season.
Honor that season, walk it outwith Jesus and I'm telling you
your life will be so much betterbecause you've taken the time
to steward this moment so well.
Chris Grainger (20:16):
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What about the guy, though, whodoesn't want any support during
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that season Because you talkedabout you know.
No thanks, I'm good, I totallyget that.
I hear guys say that all thetime.
What about it?
Because that can come off formany guys as an indication of
weakness.
Yeah, you know, when you'rehaving to ask for help and
support.
So what do you say to the guywho's walking through that right
now?
And that's what he's saying nothanks, I'm good.
Tim Timberlake (21:52):
Yeah, I would encourage that brother.
Seek it out before it becomes anecessity.
And what I mean by that is weall think we can make it on our
own until we hit the level ofpain where we can't avoid asking
for help.
And so you mentioned somethingthat that man, I hate for you.
You got a broken leg right.
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The pain and the severity ofthat leg was so intense that you
had to get help.
There was no avoiding it.
You would not be able toutilize your leg the way it's
intended to be used if you hadnot get help.
There was no avoiding it.
You would not be able toutilize your leg the way it's
intended to be used if you hadnot gotten help.
The reason a lot of men havenot asked for help is because we
have not hit a level of painthat requires help, and life has
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a crazy way of bringing us tothat point if we don't get help
in time.
And so I would encourage thosebrothers that think, man, I
don't need it, I'm good, I can,I can do this by myself.
The reality is is God did notcreate you to do life alone.
He did not create you to walkout this journey by yourself.
He did not create you to livelife in a bubble.
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He created you to live life incommunity.
He created you to live life incommunity.
He created you to live lifeunder accountability.
He created you to live lifewith guardrails and guidelines
to help lead you closer to him.
And so I would say tap intothat, get familiar and really
involved in godly communityaround you so that you can be
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sharpened.
Scripture teaches us in the OldTestament that iron sharpens
iron, and there is no sharpeningif there isn't first friction.
And so I think that we have toapply that.
We can't apply a partial truth,we have to apply the whole
truth.
And God himself lives outeternity in community.
God the Father, God the Son,God the Holy Spirit.
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If the triune nature of God iscommunity, then he's created us
in his image to live and walkout the same.
Chris Grainger (23:54):
I'm curious from you, though I mean so many guys
, the younger generation, well,all generations.
Now, though these things righthere, this is my smartphone.
They distorted our idea ofcommunity and what that actually
is in relationships.
Generations now, though, thesethese things right here have
just this, my smartphone.
They they've distorted our ideaof community and what that
actually is in relationships.
So, like, how do you help thatguy who you know is actually
just you know, uh, playing videogames and not actually going
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out to engaging in the realworld very often?
So what do you do to pull thatguy out of that digital world?
And actually, okay, you got tohave some real brothers.
You know, flesh to flesh, kneeto knee, elbow to elbow types of
conversations, absolutely.
Tim Timberlake (24:29):
Yeah, I think it's okay to start there, but
you have to have a vital part ofcommunity, which is
accountability, and there is noaccountability without
authenticity.
And I think that, in order to bein community, there has to be
accountability that flows bothways, so that you can know
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exactly who you're in thisfriendship or this relationship
with.
And so I think that the wayculture and society defines
friends now has to be relookedat, because we define friends by
the click of a button.
Friends now has to be relookedat, because we define friends by
the click of a button.
And you know, for us to reallydig deep into these
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relationships, we have to spendtime with people, and I'm not
saying it has to always be inperson, but I am saying it has
to be a time that's not spentbeing distracted by other things
, because that's, you know, kindof deflecting away from the
purpose of spending time in thefirst place.
And so I would encourage that,brother, or even those, those,
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those great women of God thatare listening right now, don't
utilize crutches to prop uprelationships.
Allow whatever God hasinstructed you to do for this
season, whether it's afriendship or relationship, to
be bought together and kepttogether by number one, his
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spirit, and then the secondthing by healthy communication,
healthy boundaries, healthyexpectations, and implement
something that I call notechnology hour, where you're
just spending time together withno technology.
Chris Grainger (26:10):
Okay, no technology hour.
That's good.
There you go, yeah.
Now, when we're listening toGod, when we're obeying and
growing, eventually usually he'schipping away and he's calling
us to redirect, to reframe, andthat requires change, and change
is is hard.
I loved your, your, the wayyou've made the connection to
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the pivot foot and basketballand the reason that the pivot
foot exists, what you'reultimately trying to do.
So would you mind justexploring that a little bit on,
because I feel like that's areally great way for guys who
are maybe getting ready to entera season of change to reframe
it and think about itdifferently, absolutely.
Tim Timberlake (26:47):
Me and you are from, you know, the greatest
basketball capital in the world.
There you go.
The triangle has produced someof the greatest athletes that
mankind has ever known, and youknow the rivalries between Duke
and Carolina are historic.
And when you look at thehistory of great basketball in
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the triangle, you see that thefoundation of it is fundamentals
.
A part of that fundamental isthe pivot and being able to
position yourself where you haveoptions to make a decision.
And in life, I believe it's our, you know, obligation to
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position ourself where we canreceive all of the options
needed to make a decision infollowing the spirit of God.
And so I played basketballgrowing up and I was pretty good
at it, and one of the thingsthat I knew is if I can get to
my pivot foot, I have control ofthe defender, I can dictate
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where I want to go, I candetermine if I pass, if I shoot,
if I dribble, and so there's alot of power in the pivot, and a
lot of us think that we'reblocked, a lot of us think that
we are cornered, when in fact,god has positioned you to make a
pivot.
And and the pivot is powerfulif you utilize it for purpose.
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And so you know, I would say toour listeners position yourself
to pivot from hard situations.
Hard circumstances, don't runfrom them, just pivot from them,
because I believe in thosesituations and seasons.
They produce something that'smeaningful.
And so one of the things Iposted this a few days ago, but
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a lot of times the mountainisn't moving in our life because
God desires for us to climb it.
And so, instead of us prayingall the time that God would move
us or God would move themountain, we have to pivot those
prayers and say, ok, god, giveme the strength to climb this,
give me the strength to scale it, give me the strength to get
over what it is that I need toget over, give me the strength
to get over what it is that Ineed to get over.
And when we start praying theright things, god starts
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revealing the things that wehave been praying to see.
And that's a passage inscripture.
It says if you ask, I shallgive.
And so often we think, ok, I canask for anything and God's
going to do it and you'll,you'll, you'll find out very
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quickly, specifically, if you'vebeen walking with the Lord any
amount of time, there are veryfew prayers that you pray for
that are answered the same waythat you pray them In the
original context of thatscripture is, if you ask what
God is already saying, thenyou'll see what God is actually
saying.
And when we pray the prayersthat God is speaking, when we
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pray the mind of Christ, when wepray the heart of the father,
then we begin to see thosethings unfold and begin to take
place the way that he desiresfor them to take place in our
life.
And so, instead of thinkingsolely on what we want, I think
this is a season for us to pivotas men and say okay, god, what
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is it that you desire?
What is it that you want?
What is it that you have instore?
I want to pray those things, andso something that I started
praying is God, would you dothese things, whatever that is,
a, b, c, d, e or somethingbetter Because I want God's best
, I want his best.
I want his plan to be revealedand unveiled in my life, his
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purpose to be pushed to theforefront.
That's what I want.
So I encourage our brothers todo the same thing Just whatever
it is that God has placed onyour heart, pray those things,
but at the end say oh.
God something better.
Whatever you want to do, I amwilling and I'm ready to receive
whatever he has, because if Godgives it to me, it's way better
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than what I could have expectedand anticipated in the first
place.
Chris Grainger (30:57):
Got that right A hundred percent.
I know one thing when I wasreading that and working through
it and just wrestling with thatthe way you were talking to the
pivot foot, I really appreciatehow you talked about it creates
space, because I never reallythought about that.
But yeah, it creates the space.
And guys, our schedules are sojammed up, from meeting, the
meeting, to engagement toengagement, I mean usually from
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the time our eyes open in themorning to the time we lay down
at night.
There's something pulling atour time all the time, and the
evil one.
He likes to distract us andkeep us busy.
So I really appreciate how yousaid that pivot put creates the
space, and now fill that spacewith.
Okay, God, what do you have forme?
I don't know if that's whereyou were hoping to direct it,
but that's where I went when Iwas reading it.
Tim Timberlake (31:39):
Yeah, Again, you take that pivot analogy and it
gives you three options andthose options leaves the
defender in our life, the enemy,unknowing of what comes next.
And I think it's somethingpowerful in scripture when you
read the Old Testament Inscripture, when you read the Old
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Testament, you never seeprophecies that had great detail
.
You never see prophecies thatgave specific times, specific
dates, specific places allcombined.
You just don't find that.
Even when in Isaiah it'stalking about the Messiah and
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his crucifixion and his torture,it gives us enough details to
know that it's talking aboutJesus.
It gives us enough details toknow what is going to happen,
but it doesn't give us atimeline as to when.
And the reason the Bible givesus prophecies in that format in
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the Old Testament is so theenemy would not know what was
coming and try to stop the planand the purpose of God.
And I think in our lives we haveto remember that, like God
creates enough space in our lifeto where the enemy has no clue
what's coming next.
And if we trust in him and wecreate space in our schedules,
we create space in our day today.
We create space in our schedules, we create space in our
day-to-day, we create space inour life to spend time with him,
prioritize that relationship.
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It puts more space between usand the enemy and that, to me,
is the power of that spiritualpivot.
You know, more time with Godmeans I'm getting more of his
presence, I'm receiving thefruits of more of his power and
I am being empowered by thespirit of God to continue to
fight, continue to defend,continue to war off every tactic
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, every plan of the enemy.
And that doesn't come if Idon't produce that space through
that pivot.
And so I think we've gottenaccustomed to settling for very
busy lives and not veryproductive lives, and there's a
difference.
There's a difference betweenbeing productive and being busy,
settling for very busy livesand not very productive lives,
and there's a difference.
There's a difference betweenbeing productive and being busy
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is when we utilize that pivotand the power of the pivot to
create that margin, that space,that we get an opportunity to
transition from being just busyto now being productive.
Chris Grainger (34:01):
Great, great, great insight, tim.
Thank you so much for that.
Absolutely One thing that andI'll keep.
I know I feel like I'm bashingdigital technology but, I, just
can't help, but the chapterabout saying what we need to say
around the hard conversations.
So many guys struggle now withactually being expressive with
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their words.
Either they don't know how todo it or they go completely to
just anger and wrath and that'sall that spews out and there's a
difference there.
I mean, yeah, jesus, split sometables, but if that's your
go-to scripture every time wetalk, we should understand.
You know, that was a couple,maybe two instances where he did
that.
So I don't know whatencouragement would you have to
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the guys out there who arereally struggling with how to
navigate these difficultconversations in life, because
we got to figure this out inorder to really move the ball
forward.
Tim Timberlake (34:55):
Yeah Well, scriptural approach is to go to
the person first and bring theminto your peace.
Don't allow them to bring youinto their chaos.
Bring them into your peace,explain and express what has
either offended you, hurt you,position you in this place where
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you have to have theconversation in the first place.
If that does not work, thenbring in a neutral mediator,
someone that can help navigatethat conversation with you.
And then, if that does not work, then bring in a neutral
mediator, someone that can helpnavigate that conversation with
you.
And then, if that does not work, then shake the dust off your
feet, keep moving forward, don'tworry about it.
It's not on you to make someoneelse like you or treat you a
certain way, but it is yourresponsibility to determine and
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decide how you respond and howyou react to it.
And so we can't control howother people live, but we can
control our actions and ourresponse to their decisions.
And I think that, as men, wehave to be more calculated, more
intentional, more spirit led inour approach to that and not
avoid it.
Avoidance does not createstrength.
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If I say I want to get strongerand I avoid the gym, I have no
desire to get stronger.
But if I desire to get stronger, I have to actually put in the
work, I have to actually situnder the weight, I have to
actually put in to place,practicing resistance to get
stronger.
We can't say that we want togrow in our walk, grow as men
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and avoid resistance andconfrontation and hard
conversations.
That's not growth, that's theopposite.
And so we have to reallyreassess.
Why are we running Number one?
Why are we avoiding Number two?
And is it actually producingthe fruit that we desire to see?
And the reality is is, when youask those three questions, the
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answer for all of them is no, noand no.
And so going back to thedrawing board and saying, okay,
how can I have this difficultconversation, this hard
conversation, lay it with thespirit of love to the lens of
peace and then have it and makesure that it's all stewarded
through the grace of JesusChrist, the love of Jesus Christ
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, and giving to that person thesame respect and rapport you
would desire someone to give toyou.
Chris Grainger (37:14):
in that heart conversation I understand.
Well, I really appreciate youjust unpacking that and trying
to give the guys somereflections on that.
Tim, I mean, when you wereworking through this book, what
was, what were the some of theharder chapters to write?
Tim Timberlake (37:25):
Man, I think hard people, um hard
conversations, um hard ask, um.
You know, there's a portion inthere where, uh, I jokingly talk
about when my wife says we needto talk, understanding what
that means, you know, andnavigating all of it through the
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lens of grace and through thelens of wanting to grow.
And so each chapter waschallenging in its own right,
but those kind of stick out tome.
You know, chapter 16 wasanother one that was challenging
when I talk about some of thechildhood traumas that I've
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endured and overcome.
And you know, it's one of thosethings where, on this side, I
don't know that I would changeanything because it made me who
I am today.
But understanding man, even inthose moments God was growing me
, he was showing me the plansand the purpose that he had for
me, and I pray that thedifficult seasons of my life,
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the difficult moments that arewritten about in the book, help
people navigate the variouspains and tension points that
they're walking through rightnow in their own journey
intention points that they'rewalking through right now in
their own journey.
Chris Grainger (38:47):
The last chapter I got a kick out of it because
I have a farm and we have horseshere, so when?
You talk about eastbound on thesouth side of a mule, I'm like
yeah, get that one.
Tim Timberlake (38:59):
I'm telling you, mccree Moyle.
Chris Grainger (39:01):
Butner man, the mule capital of America.
But you're speaking to hardwork.
I mean, so many guys run fromthat.
We were looking for the easybutton.
Staples, that commercial, justlike that.
That marketing was brilliant.
The easy button is whateveryone's looking for and
sometimes you just got to dig in, get dirty and go to work, got
to got to love it.
Love it, tim.
Well, I mean, as we wrap up,let's do it.
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We always like to do alightning round.
We already did one with you acouple of years ago, but I mixed
it up for some new stuff for us.
Tim Timberlake (39:31):
So if you want to play, we'll jump in.
Chris Grainger (39:32):
Absolutely For sure.
Okay, so I don't think I askedyou this in the past, but if, if
you, had a superpower, Tim,like what would it be and how
would you use it?
Tim Timberlake (39:44):
Man, that's a great question.
I think if I had a superpower,it would have something to do
with time.
Chris Grainger (39:55):
Okay.
Tim Timberlake (39:57):
Whether the slow down time speed up time.
I don't necessarily think itwould be a time machine per se,
but just the ability to, youknow, bend time a little bit,
get some moments back speed somemoments up.
You know what I'm saying.
So often we find ourselvesstuck in season and we're like,
okay, god, when in the world isthis season in?
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To be able to press fastforward a little bit would be, I
think, a pretty cool superpower.
Chris Grainger (40:23):
Got it.
So now I'm going a pretty coolsuperpower Got it, got it.
So now I'm going to test yourspiritual gift right here.
See if you have the spiritualgift of prophecy.
Tim Timberlake (40:31):
All right, so when?
Chris Grainger (40:32):
is it going to be the Jags year Tim?
Tim Timberlake (40:35):
When is it going to be?
I think that this year is goingto be a good year.
I think that this year is goingto be a 10-win season, I think,
as far as, like our year, wherewe, you know, really shake up a
lot of different things.
I think that will be next year,so I think we'll make
significant strides this year.
I think next year will be agreat year for us.
Chris Grainger (40:55):
See, now you're sounding like an NC State fan,
like we're always talking about.
They're always next year.
Tim Timberlake (41:00):
You know, no, no , no, you know.
I always say you know you don'ttrust a wolf.
That's pretty good, it's prettygood, all right.
Chris Grainger (41:14):
So let's go back to marriage.
What's a marriage tip you wishyou had learned earlier man.
Tim Timberlake (41:20):
Uh, I think one of the most powerful things that
we all can learn is men thatare married, as we mentioned
before, just understanding thepower of doing things together,
not being sil solo, not tryingto do everything by yourself,
but really partnering andunderstanding that your wife is
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your help, me and vice versa,your husband is your helper, and
so you know.
Walking that out, I wish I hadhad learned the significance and
the power of just doing thingstogether, carrying and
stewarding and distributing theweight of life together.
There you go, instead of tryingto shoulder it all.
Chris Grainger (42:01):
Okay, how about debunk a myth that's out there,
tim around pastors, people havetheir visions and ideas of what
you do.
Is there a myth that you justwant to debunk right now?
Tim Timberlake (42:14):
I think one of the greatest myths is that all
pastors are corrupt.
All pastors want your money.
All pastors live a certain typeof way.
You know those are mythswebsites tearing down pastors
and ministers, churches andpeople in ministry than any
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other type of blog, and I justthink that that's because number
one, either, people have beenhurt by people.
We utilize culture and societyI should say, utilize this
language like church hurt.
I've been church hurt and Ialways tell people the church
has not hurt you, people in thechurch has hurt you, and so
there's a significant differencebetween that.
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But you know, there are someincredible pastors out there
that live their life with godlycharacter and integrity.
Um and so I think that's onethat that needs to be debunked.
Chris Grainger (43:10):
Love it.
Thank you for doing thatAbsolutely.
How about, uh, your go to appLike what's the app on your
phone that you find yourself?
You couldn't live without anyof them.
Tim Timberlake (43:19):
jump out devotionals.
There's, of course, the Bibleapp.
That is incredible as well.
Those apps, man, they guide me,they are very good discipleship
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resources that I think weshould all apply to our daily
lives that provide more thanjust reading scripture, but
videos, in-depth conversationsaround what you've just read,
resources provided to you as tohow you can go deeper in
scripture.
Chris Grainger (44:01):
So, yeah, Okay, I have to check out Glorify.
I'm not familiar with that one,I'm an author on the Bible app.
So I have tons of studies onthe Bible app.
People love those.
I'm trying to write about two amonth.
But I have to check outglorified.
Does that have the Biblestudies as well in the plans?
It does, Okay, yeah.
(44:22):
Okay, it does All right, we'llhave to check it out and see if
we can get to lie in on that.
All right, good deal, tim.
Last question for you is whatdo you hope the guys listening
remember the most from ourconversation today?
Tim Timberlake (44:33):
That life is never meant to be easy, but
through it we grow, we growstronger, we grow a deeper love
for Jesus.
Through it we get anunderstanding of who God is as a
father, because of thoseseasons.
And so I would say don't avoidthe hard things.
Lean into them, because theymake you stronger.
Chris Grainger (44:55):
Amen, Amen, brother, when you want to send
folks to get a copy of the book.
Connect with you all the stuffyou're doing on social media as
well.
Tim Timberlake (45:01):
Absolutely Go to the bumpy road to bettercom, Uh
.
You can check out all of mysocial handles on my website,
timtemberlaketv.
Uh, and it'll lead you to thevarious places where you can
find me.
Chris Grainger (45:14):
All right.
Well, pastor Tim has been greatagain having you back on the
show.
Thank you so much.
Blessings for when the for thebook and the launch, and look
forward to hopefully connectingagain in the future.
Tim Timberlake (45:23):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for having meon.
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Pastor Tim Timberlake Loveworking with him.
He is the global senior pastorof Celebration Church and has 17
locations located inJacksonville, florida.
I mean, tim is just a great guy.
If you remember him on the showhe's been, he's been a previous
guest, uh, he is from fromwhere I'm from here back in, uh,
(01:51):
north Carolina.
Actually, his the originalchurch is right there in North
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He's uh, just a great, greatguy.
Avid sports fan out ofJacksonville, now with his wife
and his son, and Tim when he'spouring into others, which
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you're going to hear in thisconversation, that's when he
comes to life, fellas.
So hopefully you're going toenjoy this conversation with my
friend, pastor Tim Timberlake.
Tim Timberlake (02:24):
Okay.
Chris Grainger (02:26):
Well, Tim, welcome back to the Lion Within
Us.
How are you doing today?
Tim Timberlake (02:28):
Doing very well.
Thank you so much for having meback on and honored to have
this conversation with you.
Chris Grainger (02:35):
For sure.
I mean it's a very timely one.
I'll reveal why here in aminute, once we get started, but
I'm just curious, since werecorded together last, it was
probably 2023, what's new inyour life?
Tim Timberlake (02:48):
Man, I like to say a bunch of the same that's
absolutely new.
Okay, you know it's a bunch ofthe same, but it looks new.
It's a new day and so,approaching it and kind of
addressing those things as theykind of come, you know, life
every single day presents newvictories and new challenges,
(03:12):
and I think the longer we live,the more we have to get
accustomed to navigating, day byday, different and with the
nuance that each day requiresand deserves.
And so, not a lot new, a lotfresh, for sure.
I think if everything is new,something is wrong.
So I would say it's more freshthan new.
Chris Grainger (03:34):
I like that Fresh.
Fresh better than new.
There you go.
Well, I'm blessed you sent me acopy of this book and I'm going
to give you a kind of behindthe scenes, tim, on the way I
work.
So usually I get, I get lots ofbooks and I definitely try to
read all of them.
Guilty, I'm not always able to,so I put this one to the side.
(03:55):
I'm like this is Tim's, it'sgoing to be awesome, can't wait
to read it.
I know we were recording today.
Well, on Saturday I was workingon my farm here in Cremor
that's right Close to yourfamily church, absolutely.
A tree fell and broke my ankle,oh no, it crushed me and my
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foot was jelly.
Ambulance had to come, oh man.
So right now I got it on a bootunderneath the table here on the
studio.
I wasn't canceling recordingyou don't cancel that so.
I was sitting there, theydischarged me.
I have surgery scheduled fornext Wednesday, so I'm in a boot
(04:37):
right now.
But they discharged me Saturdaylate and I got home and this
book was sitting next to the bed.
I'm like all right, lord, youput this off for now, so within
the next several hours.
I just dug into it and I readit cover to cover and I will
tell you what.
The chapter one which we'lldive into for sure is where I'm
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at, because, as a guy on thefarm, I do it all, I do so much,
and the fact is now the Lordhas literally said nope you got
to ask for help.
And then I opened this up, yourchapter one.
No thanks, I'm good.
Tim Timberlake (05:15):
Like that's been my life man.
Chris Grainger (05:18):
And so just walk us through, like why you wrote
the book or I mean what?
Obviously I know a lot now justbecause I literally just read
it.
Yeah, Give me some insightbehind the drive, behind this
one.
Tim Timberlake (05:30):
Absolutely.
I think, you know, particularlyas men I know we had a lot of
men listen to this podcast Ithink, particularly as men, we
have this sense of I can takethis journey by myself, and some
of us have the mentality Iwould rather take this journey
by myself and some of us havethe mentality I would rather
(05:51):
take this journey by myself.
And the reality is is that onthis bumpy road we call life,
you may be able to take it byyourself, but it would be
unenjoyable.
You have to walk this road outwith somebody and my prayer is
that people listening to thiswould, number one, walk it out
with Jesus.
Number two, walk it out incommunity to allow and assure us
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that we're not on this journeyof life alone.
And I'm kind of in the processof looking back over some of the
things in my life that I couldhave better walked alongside of
people in, and I think themessage of Jesus Christ will
continually be written in ourlife as long as we are alive.
(06:33):
And the bumpy road to better isjust kind of a comma in the
journey of life and some of theobstacles, some of the hurdles,
some of the traumas and thetriggers that I've endured and
overcome that have led me tothis stage and to this point in
life, and so that's kind of thepremise behind it.
(06:53):
It's unlocking the power ofhard things, and I believe you
know, oftentimes in life we prayfor miracles but we avoid the
hard seasons and the hard thingswhere the miracles will be
provided for us, and so if werun from the hard things, we'll
never be able to see themiracles and the breakthroughs
(07:15):
the way Jesus intends for us toRight right, 100%, I mean.
Chris Grainger (07:22):
The very first example you gave was about your
LASIK surgery.
And as I was sitting there,literally asking my wife to
bring me everything.
Tim Timberlake (07:29):
I was like I can , I'm feeling this right now.
Chris Grainger (07:33):
So, but I mean you're you're.
I mean, you're just like me.
You're a big guy, you're astrong guy, You're very capable.
So I can only imagine in thatseason how difficult that was to
you know you can't do it.
Tim Timberlake (07:45):
You have to reach out.
Not only are you dependent onsomeone, but you can't see
clearly.
You know, and so you have totrust that what you think is
there is actually there, and Ithink that's a great depiction
of faith right Now.
Faith, according to Hebrews,chapter 11, verse one, is the
substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.
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When you close your eyes andyou stand up and you have to
find your way back to your seat,that takes an element of faith,
that takes an element ofbelieving that what you cannot
see will actually be there whenyou need it to be the most.
And so I think, in life, whenwe depend on Jesus and we anchor
our faith in him, the thingsthat we cannot see he's actually
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providing and he's performing.
It's not our job to perform,it's our job to believe and
anchor our faith in him, and heprovides and he performs.
And so I think if we can getaccustomed to that, I think if
we can make that a daily rhythm,it makes this road that is very
bumpy a lot better Right.
Chris Grainger (08:49):
You also mentioned like five reasons that
guys don't ask for help.
I'm just going to call them outreal quick.
I'm curious for you, thoughwhich?
Which one do you feel like youfall into the most?
And then also, which one do youhear other guys Is there?
Is there a common one that youthink guys tend to gravitate to?
But you say you don't know whatyou don't know.
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You've always done things onyour own, so that guilty as
charged.
You think it's not okay not tobe okay.
You're embarrassed to admit youneed help, or you just like to
be in control.
So which one for you?
Tim Timberlake (09:25):
the stumbling block.
Mine is I've always done thingson my own, and so I was the
only boy in my family by birth.
My parents adopted two moresons later on in life, but I
grew up with sisters and so,although I was in a house full
of people, I was by myself and Igot that's why you're so tough,
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that's it, that's it, man.
So them girls wore me out, man,but I got accustomed to doing
things alone.
I got accustomed to doingthings by myself, and you just
develop a rhythm in life ofbeing content with being
surrounded by people but stilldoing things alone.
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And I think you know that's oneof the challenges I still have
today at 41, working throughnavigating.
No, I have capable peoplearound me that desire to do
these things with me, thatdesire to do these things with
me, and so to yield and to bepliable and flexible, to do
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those things with the peoplethat I love.
It's very important, and soit's.
It may be quicker to do italone, but you'll last longer
doing it alongside of somebodyelse.
Chris Grainger (10:39):
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
I know, for me too, so manyguys that come into the lion, I
think.
Number five, you know you, youlike to be in control.
That seems to be one that keepsrising up for lots of folks,
you know, this has been one forme too, because I definitely I'm
a I'm a self-proclaimed controlfreak and.
I'm really praying over it.
So I mean, where do you thinkthat one?
For so many guys seems it seemsto be just a big stumbling
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block.
Tim Timberlake (11:03):
I think, because for so long men have never
thought that they've had control.
Their lives have always beencontrolled by other people.
For instance, if you are ahusband and a father, the
majority of your time goestowards your family, your wife,
providing for them, and there'svery little time for yourself.
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And so the things that you cancontrol, sometimes we over
control and we micromanagebecause we have not had that
opportunity or the margin tohave any capacity to do things
for ourselves.
And so I think a little bit ofit stems from that.
You know, you think about it.
When the kids need something,they run to mama.
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When mama needs something, sheruns to you.
But who do we run to?
You know, who do we turn to?
And the majority of the time wesuppress it and we tuck it, we
hide it, we pack it away and wecompartmentalize, because that
is just what men do, naturally.
And so we have this incredibleway of compartmentalizing
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everything.
And the best way for me tocompare it men's minds are like
malls.
You know, we have ourdepartment stores, our big
buckets, we have our smallerstores, but the majority of it
is that hallway man, and a lotof times we get stuck in the
hallway and we're in search forsomething, and we may not even
know what we're in search for,but we know we're searching for
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something, searching for more,searching for significance,
searching for fulfillment, andso whenever we get an
opportunity to grab a hold ofsomething that we think we can
control I think that's why it'ssuch a difficult thing to shake
loose of, because we haven't hadthat, that time and that margin
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for ourselves.
Chris Grainger (12:55):
Yeah, that's a great reflection.
Great reflection, all right.
I'm curious because anytime Icome across great acronyms, I
just got to know, from a writerstandpoint too.
But the acronym on help, I'vewrote it down, I've got it, I
got to highlight it because it'sprobably one of the best
acronyms I've heard in a longtime.
So I got to ask you straight upIs this yours?
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Is this original?
To Tim it is.
How'd you come up with it?
And like, will you please walk,Cause I I'm telling you I just
think there's guys listeningthat that HELP acronym could be
a great blessing for them,because it blessed me in that
moment just by reading it andthinking about it and praying
through it.
So I'd love for you just tokind of explain that.
Tim Timberlake (13:34):
Yeah, so you know all of these concepts
really, they don't come from aplace of man.
I want this to be implementedbefore something happens.
All of these concepts come fromman.
I wish I had known this beforeit happened and I wish someone
would have taught me that.
And so, without giving you knowthe whole thing away because I
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do want our men to read it itstems from a place of pain.
It stems from a place ofunderstanding what I could have
done differently and trying tohelp the reader navigate the
various seasons where they feelhelpless and various seasons
where they feel hopeless.
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I believe those two things, theykind of run parallel to each
other, and so the acronym givesguardrails and it gives guidance
to navigate those things in apractical and applicable way,
and that's what I wanted to dowith that.
And you'll see other things inthe book that are very practical
.
But I wanted to take revelation.
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I wanted to take truth.
Revelation.
I want to take truth.
I want to take knowledge andwisdom and make it super
practical so that when thereader reads it, they can apply
it immediately and not have towonder okay, how does this apply
to my life?
And so I've learned that anacronym helps to make things
memorable.
Chris Grainger (14:58):
An acronym helps to make things retainable, so
yeah, well, I would just saythis home run on that.
I mean that that one when Icause I read so many books and
and sometimes it can feel likeyou're just going through them
again, and for sure, it's thesame thing, said differently,
but this was extremely uniqueand, uh, I'm all about being
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applicable as well.
So that was.
That was huge.
So, guys, if you're strugglingand you need some help right now
, just get the book, just forthat.
I mean, that would be huge foryou, for sure.
And one thing you call outthroughout the book as well is
how many guys, or people ingeneral, really want quick fixes
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or trouble-free lives, fixes ortrouble free lives, and and um,
there's a lot of resistance outthere to anything that causes
us, causes us, discomfort.
You know, people, they don'twant that, they don't want to go
through the hard part.
It's like the old sayingeverybody wants to be strong,
but no one wants to be sore,like you got to go through the
store to be strong.
So so I'm just curious you knowwhat, what, what's your, uh,
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what would you be yourreflection on that?
Tim Timberlake (16:04):
Yeah, so I.
I utilize the story in the bookin another part, but it applies
to what we're talking about now.
Everybody wants to bevictorious and triumph, but no
one wants to go through theprocess of battling to get the
victory.
I use the story in 2023, uh,the Jacksonville Jaguars are
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playing the Los Angeles Chargersand they go down substantially.
So I'm at the game.
As a matter of fact, I'm on thesidelines before the game
talking to the players, andeverybody is excited, hopeful.
This is a chance for them tobreak into the playoffs.
And so first quarter, they'redown.
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Second quarter, it seemsimpossible.
Excuse me, off the top of myhead, I think the score going
into halftime was 27 to 3.
And I remember at halftimethinking to myself man, I
probably should go down to thatlocker room.
You know what I'm saying.
I need to go down there andcheck on these guys and see.
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And I remember they came out ofthat locker room, chris, and
despite the score, they wereoptimistic, they had expectation
, they had anticipation.
And one of my guys shout outDaniel Thomas, incredible safety
for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
I remember him saying on thesidelines guys, we've been here
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before, we've been here before.
God told me that the victorywouldn't come easy, but if we
fight for it we'll get it.
And he just kept saying we'vebeen here before and I think
when you're going through thosehardships, when you're going
through those battles, whenyou're going through those
moments, you got to remindyourself that God is the same
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yesterday, today and forevermore.
And if he's bought other greatmen and women out of the
challenges and the trials thatthey had faced, then he surely
will bring you out of the trialsand the situations that you
currently face.
And I think that's importantfor us to really remember and
and keep in context at theforefront of our mind, to know
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this too shall pass.
Chris Grainger (18:20):
That's right.
And in that story and thataccount rather than I mean that
from the book they turned itaround in the second half.
Yeah, it was a nail-biter.
They won by one point.
Tim Timberlake (18:32):
Won by one point , with no seconds on the clock.
They won by a field goal andthat stadium was electric, but
it wasn't always like that.
As a matter of fact, almosthalf of the stadium emptied out
because they thought that thegame was over.
And as the game got a lotcloser, people started to
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repopulate them seats.
And it's funny because the samething applies in life when
people can't see how God isgoing to give you victory,
they're a lot less active inyour life than they are from
understanding and knowing.
And so you know, I always sayseasons where God is revealing
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things and pulling back thingsare seasons where you do
inventory on what relationshipshave sustained the test of time
and those are the pillars ofyour life that you hang your hat
on and you really anchor, youknow true depth and meaning and
relationships in.
And so we go through thoseseasons.
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You know where the waves oflife they crash in and it seems
like oh man, this is great, butwe don't like when the wave
recedes.
But when the wave recedes itshows what needs to be cleaned
out.
And some of our men are in thatseason right now, on this bumpy
road where the wave is nowgoing out and they're saying,
okay, this needs to be cleanedup, this needs to be picked up.
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Don't rush through that season.
Honor that season, walk it outwith Jesus and I'm telling you
your life will be so much betterbecause you've taken the time
to steward this moment so well.
Chris Grainger (20:16):
I've got something big to share.
We're making a major shiftbecause we know the battle is
real and it's time more men hadaccess to the support they need.
For too long, guys have beentrying to carry the weight alone
pressure at work, tension athome, wounds from the past in a
world that demands strength butoffers no place to rest.
We see it, we've lived it, andthat's exactly why we built our
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community.
It's a stronghold, a placewhere warriors can find rest,
truth and a band of brothersstanding beside them.
And starting now, we're makingit easier than ever to step in.
We've lowered the barrier tojust $15.99 a month.
That means, for less than thecost of a drive-thru lunch, you
can join a brotherhood that'scentered on Christ and built for
growth.
Inside you'll find access toour daily spiritual kickoffs
every Monday through Friday, ourLion Lunches, our Bible Studies
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, our Friday Forge Gatheringsall that and so much more.
Every man needs a stronghold,and you don't have to fight
alone.
If you've been waiting for theright time to jump in, this is
it.
Go to thelionwithinus and jointhe community and see for
yourself what happens when irontruly sharpens iron.
What about the guy, though, whodoesn't want any support during
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that season Because you talkedabout you know.
No thanks, I'm good, I totallyget that.
I hear guys say that all thetime.
What about it?
Because that can come off formany guys as an indication of
weakness.
Yeah, you know, when you'rehaving to ask for help and
support.
So what do you say to the guywho's walking through that right
now?
And that's what he's saying nothanks, I'm good.
Tim Timberlake (21:52):
Yeah, I would encourage that brother.
Seek it out before it becomes anecessity.
And what I mean by that is weall think we can make it on our
own until we hit the level ofpain where we can't avoid asking
for help.
And so you mentioned somethingthat that man, I hate for you.
You got a broken leg right.
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The pain and the severity ofthat leg was so intense that you
had to get help.
There was no avoiding it.
You would not be able toutilize your leg the way it's
intended to be used if you hadnot get help.
There was no avoiding it.
You would not be able toutilize your leg the way it's
intended to be used if you hadnot gotten help.
The reason a lot of men havenot asked for help is because we
have not hit a level of painthat requires help, and life has
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a crazy way of bringing us tothat point if we don't get help
in time.
And so I would encourage thosebrothers that think, man, I
don't need it, I'm good, I can,I can do this by myself.
The reality is is God did notcreate you to do life alone.
He did not create you to walkout this journey by yourself.
He did not create you to livelife in a bubble.
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He created you to live life incommunity.
He created you to live life incommunity.
He created you to live lifeunder accountability.
He created you to live lifewith guardrails and guidelines
to help lead you closer to him.
And so I would say tap intothat, get familiar and really
involved in godly communityaround you so that you can be
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sharpened.
Scripture teaches us in the OldTestament that iron sharpens
iron, and there is no sharpeningif there isn't first friction.
And so I think that we have toapply that.
We can't apply a partial truth,we have to apply the whole
truth.
And God himself lives outeternity in community.
God the Father, God the Son,God the Holy Spirit.
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If the triune nature of God iscommunity, then he's created us
in his image to live and walkout the same.
Chris Grainger (23:54):
I'm curious from you, though I mean so many guys
, the younger generation, well,all generations.
Now, though these things righthere, this is my smartphone.
They distorted our idea ofcommunity and what that actually
is in relationships.
Generations now, though, thesethese things right here have
just this, my smartphone.
They they've distorted our ideaof community and what that
actually is in relationships.
So, like, how do you help thatguy who you know is actually
just you know, uh, playing videogames and not actually going
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out to engaging in the realworld very often?
So what do you do to pull thatguy out of that digital world?
And actually, okay, you got tohave some real brothers.
You know, flesh to flesh, kneeto knee, elbow to elbow types of
conversations, absolutely.
Tim Timberlake (24:29):
Yeah, I think it's okay to start there, but
you have to have a vital part ofcommunity, which is
accountability, and there is noaccountability without
authenticity.
And I think that, in order to bein community, there has to be
accountability that flows bothways, so that you can know
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exactly who you're in thisfriendship or this relationship
with.
And so I think that the wayculture and society defines
friends now has to be relookedat, because we define friends by
the click of a button.
Friends now has to be relookedat, because we define friends by
the click of a button.
And you know, for us to reallydig deep into these
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relationships, we have to spendtime with people, and I'm not
saying it has to always be inperson, but I am saying it has
to be a time that's not spentbeing distracted by other things
, because that's, you know, kindof deflecting away from the
purpose of spending time in thefirst place.
And so I would encourage that,brother, or even those, those,
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those great women of God thatare listening right now, don't
utilize crutches to prop uprelationships.
Allow whatever God hasinstructed you to do for this
season, whether it's afriendship or relationship, to
be bought together and kepttogether by number one, his
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spirit, and then the secondthing by healthy communication,
healthy boundaries, healthyexpectations, and implement
something that I call notechnology hour, where you're
just spending time together withno technology.
Chris Grainger (26:10):
Okay, no technology hour.
That's good.
There you go, yeah.
Now, when we're listening toGod, when we're obeying and
growing, eventually usually he'schipping away and he's calling
us to redirect, to reframe, andthat requires change, and change
is is hard.
I loved your, your, the wayyou've made the connection to
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the pivot foot and basketballand the reason that the pivot
foot exists, what you'reultimately trying to do.
So would you mind justexploring that a little bit on,
because I feel like that's areally great way for guys who
are maybe getting ready to entera season of change to reframe
it and think about itdifferently, absolutely.
Tim Timberlake (26:47):
Me and you are from, you know, the greatest
basketball capital in the world.
There you go.
The triangle has produced someof the greatest athletes that
mankind has ever known, and youknow the rivalries between Duke
and Carolina are historic.
And when you look at thehistory of great basketball in
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the triangle, you see that thefoundation of it is fundamentals
.
A part of that fundamental isthe pivot and being able to
position yourself where you haveoptions to make a decision.
And in life, I believe it's our, you know, obligation to
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position ourself where we canreceive all of the options
needed to make a decision infollowing the spirit of God.
And so I played basketballgrowing up and I was pretty good
at it, and one of the thingsthat I knew is if I can get to
my pivot foot, I have control ofthe defender, I can dictate
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where I want to go, I candetermine if I pass, if I shoot,
if I dribble, and so there's alot of power in the pivot, and a
lot of us think that we'reblocked, a lot of us think that
we are cornered, when in fact,god has positioned you to make a
pivot.
And and the pivot is powerfulif you utilize it for purpose.
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And so you know, I would say toour listeners position yourself
to pivot from hard situations.
Hard circumstances, don't runfrom them, just pivot from them,
because I believe in thosesituations and seasons.
They produce something that'smeaningful.
And so one of the things Iposted this a few days ago, but
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a lot of times the mountainisn't moving in our life because
God desires for us to climb it.
And so, instead of us prayingall the time that God would move
us or God would move themountain, we have to pivot those
prayers and say, ok, god, giveme the strength to climb this,
give me the strength to scale it, give me the strength to get
over what it is that I need toget over, give me the strength
to get over what it is that Ineed to get over.
And when we start praying theright things, god starts
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revealing the things that wehave been praying to see.
And that's a passage inscripture.
It says if you ask, I shallgive.
And so often we think, ok, I canask for anything and God's
going to do it and you'll,you'll, you'll find out very
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quickly, specifically, if you'vebeen walking with the Lord any
amount of time, there are veryfew prayers that you pray for
that are answered the same waythat you pray them In the
original context of thatscripture is, if you ask what
God is already saying, thenyou'll see what God is actually
saying.
And when we pray the prayersthat God is speaking, when we
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pray the mind of Christ, when wepray the heart of the father,
then we begin to see thosethings unfold and begin to take
place the way that he desiresfor them to take place in our
life.
And so, instead of thinkingsolely on what we want, I think
this is a season for us to pivotas men and say okay, god, what
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is it that you desire?
What is it that you want?
What is it that you have instore?
I want to pray those things, andso something that I started
praying is God, would you dothese things, whatever that is,
a, b, c, d, e or somethingbetter Because I want God's best
, I want his best.
I want his plan to be revealedand unveiled in my life, his
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purpose to be pushed to theforefront.
That's what I want.
So I encourage our brothers todo the same thing Just whatever
it is that God has placed onyour heart, pray those things,
but at the end say oh.
God something better.
Whatever you want to do, I amwilling and I'm ready to receive
whatever he has, because if Godgives it to me, it's way better
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than what I could have expectedand anticipated in the first
place.
Chris Grainger (30:57):
Got that right A hundred percent.
I know one thing when I wasreading that and working through
it and just wrestling with thatthe way you were talking to the
pivot foot, I really appreciatehow you talked about it creates
space, because I never reallythought about that.
But yeah, it creates the space.
And guys, our schedules are sojammed up, from meeting, the
meeting, to engagement toengagement, I mean usually from
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the time our eyes open in themorning to the time we lay down
at night.
There's something pulling atour time all the time, and the
evil one.
He likes to distract us andkeep us busy.
So I really appreciate how yousaid that pivot put creates the
space, and now fill that spacewith.
Okay, God, what do you have forme?
I don't know if that's whereyou were hoping to direct it,
but that's where I went when Iwas reading it.
Tim Timberlake (31:39):
Yeah, Again, you take that pivot analogy and it
gives you three options andthose options leaves the
defender in our life, the enemy,unknowing of what comes next.
And I think it's somethingpowerful in scripture when you
read the Old Testament Inscripture, when you read the Old
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Testament, you never seeprophecies that had great detail
.
You never see prophecies thatgave specific times, specific
dates, specific places allcombined.
You just don't find that.
Even when in Isaiah it'stalking about the Messiah and
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his crucifixion and his torture,it gives us enough details to
know that it's talking aboutJesus.
It gives us enough details toknow what is going to happen,
but it doesn't give us atimeline as to when.
And the reason the Bible givesus prophecies in that format in
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the Old Testament is so theenemy would not know what was
coming and try to stop the planand the purpose of God.
And I think in our lives we haveto remember that, like God
creates enough space in our lifeto where the enemy has no clue
what's coming next.
And if we trust in him and wecreate space in our schedules,
we create space in our day today.
We create space in our schedules, we create space in our
day-to-day, we create space inour life to spend time with him,
prioritize that relationship.
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It puts more space between usand the enemy and that, to me,
is the power of that spiritualpivot.
You know, more time with Godmeans I'm getting more of his
presence, I'm receiving thefruits of more of his power and
I am being empowered by thespirit of God to continue to
fight, continue to defend,continue to war off every tactic
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, every plan of the enemy.
And that doesn't come if Idon't produce that space through
that pivot.
And so I think we've gottenaccustomed to settling for very
busy lives and not veryproductive lives, and there's a
difference.
There's a difference betweenbeing productive and being busy,
settling for very busy livesand not very productive lives,
and there's a difference.
There's a difference betweenbeing productive and being busy
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is when we utilize that pivotand the power of the pivot to
create that margin, that space,that we get an opportunity to
transition from being just busyto now being productive.
Chris Grainger (34:01):
Great, great, great insight, tim.
Thank you so much for that.
Absolutely One thing that andI'll keep.
I know I feel like I'm bashingdigital technology but, I, just
can't help, but the chapterabout saying what we need to say
around the hard conversations.
So many guys struggle now withactually being expressive with
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their words.
Either they don't know how todo it or they go completely to
just anger and wrath and that'sall that spews out and there's a
difference there.
I mean, yeah, jesus, split sometables, but if that's your
go-to scripture every time wetalk, we should understand.
You know, that was a couple,maybe two instances where he did
that.
So I don't know whatencouragement would you have to
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the guys out there who arereally struggling with how to
navigate these difficultconversations in life, because
we got to figure this out inorder to really move the ball
forward.
Tim Timberlake (34:55):
Yeah Well, scriptural approach is to go to
the person first and bring theminto your peace.
Don't allow them to bring youinto their chaos.
Bring them into your peace,explain and express what has
either offended you, hurt you,position you in this place where
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you have to have theconversation in the first place.
If that does not work, thenbring in a neutral mediator,
someone that can help navigatethat conversation with you.
And then, if that does not work, then bring in a neutral
mediator, someone that can helpnavigate that conversation with
you.
And then, if that does not work, then shake the dust off your
feet, keep moving forward, don'tworry about it.
It's not on you to make someoneelse like you or treat you a
certain way, but it is yourresponsibility to determine and
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decide how you respond and howyou react to it.
And so we can't control howother people live, but we can
control our actions and ourresponse to their decisions.
And I think that, as men, wehave to be more calculated, more
intentional, more spirit led inour approach to that and not
avoid it.
Avoidance does not createstrength.
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If I say I want to get strongerand I avoid the gym, I have no
desire to get stronger.
But if I desire to get stronger, I have to actually put in the
work, I have to actually situnder the weight, I have to
actually put in to place,practicing resistance to get
stronger.
We can't say that we want togrow in our walk, grow as men
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and avoid resistance andconfrontation and hard
conversations.
That's not growth, that's theopposite.
And so we have to reallyreassess.
Why are we running Number one?
Why are we avoiding Number two?
And is it actually producingthe fruit that we desire to see?
And the reality is is, when youask those three questions, the
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answer for all of them is no, noand no.
And so going back to thedrawing board and saying, okay,
how can I have this difficultconversation, this hard
conversation, lay it with thespirit of love to the lens of
peace and then have it and makesure that it's all stewarded
through the grace of JesusChrist, the love of Jesus Christ
(37:03):
, and giving to that person thesame respect and rapport you
would desire someone to give toyou.
Chris Grainger (37:14):
in that heart conversation I understand.
Well, I really appreciate youjust unpacking that and trying
to give the guys somereflections on that.
Tim, I mean, when you wereworking through this book, what
was, what were the some of theharder chapters to write?
Tim Timberlake (37:25):
Man, I think hard people, um hard
conversations, um hard ask, um.
You know, there's a portion inthere where, uh, I jokingly talk
about when my wife says we needto talk, understanding what
that means, you know, andnavigating all of it through the
(37:47):
lens of grace and through thelens of wanting to grow.
And so each chapter waschallenging in its own right,
but those kind of stick out tome.
You know, chapter 16 wasanother one that was challenging
when I talk about some of thechildhood traumas that I've
(38:08):
endured and overcome.
And you know, it's one of thosethings where, on this side, I
don't know that I would changeanything because it made me who
I am today.
But understanding man, even inthose moments God was growing me
, he was showing me the plansand the purpose that he had for
me, and I pray that thedifficult seasons of my life,
(38:32):
the difficult moments that arewritten about in the book, help
people navigate the variouspains and tension points that
they're walking through rightnow in their own journey
intention points that they'rewalking through right now in
their own journey.
Chris Grainger (38:47):
The last chapter I got a kick out of it because
I have a farm and we have horseshere, so when?
You talk about eastbound on thesouth side of a mule, I'm like
yeah, get that one.
Tim Timberlake (38:59):
I'm telling you, mccree Moyle.
Chris Grainger (39:01):
Butner man, the mule capital of America.
But you're speaking to hardwork.
I mean, so many guys run fromthat.
We were looking for the easybutton.
Staples, that commercial, justlike that.
That marketing was brilliant.
The easy button is whateveryone's looking for and
sometimes you just got to dig in, get dirty and go to work, got
to got to love it.
Love it, tim.
Well, I mean, as we wrap up,let's do it.
(39:23):
We always like to do alightning round.
We already did one with you acouple of years ago, but I mixed
it up for some new stuff for us.
Tim Timberlake (39:31):
So if you want to play, we'll jump in.
Chris Grainger (39:32):
Absolutely For sure.
Okay, so I don't think I askedyou this in the past, but if, if
you, had a superpower, Tim,like what would it be and how
would you use it?
Tim Timberlake (39:44):
Man, that's a great question.
I think if I had a superpower,it would have something to do
with time.
Chris Grainger (39:55):
Okay.
Tim Timberlake (39:57):
Whether the slow down time speed up time.
I don't necessarily think itwould be a time machine per se,
but just the ability to, youknow, bend time a little bit,
get some moments back speed somemoments up.
You know what I'm saying.
So often we find ourselvesstuck in season and we're like,
okay, god, when in the world isthis season in?
(40:18):
To be able to press fastforward a little bit would be, I
think, a pretty cool superpower.
Chris Grainger (40:23):
Got it.
So now I'm going a pretty coolsuperpower Got it, got it.
So now I'm going to test yourspiritual gift right here.
See if you have the spiritualgift of prophecy.
Tim Timberlake (40:31):
All right, so when?
Chris Grainger (40:32):
is it going to be the Jags year Tim?
Tim Timberlake (40:35):
When is it going to be?
I think that this year is goingto be a good year.
I think that this year is goingto be a 10-win season, I think,
as far as, like our year, wherewe, you know, really shake up a
lot of different things.
I think that will be next year,so I think we'll make
significant strides this year.
I think next year will be agreat year for us.
Chris Grainger (40:55):
See, now you're sounding like an NC State fan,
like we're always talking about.
They're always next year.
Tim Timberlake (41:00):
You know, no, no , no, you know.
I always say you know you don'ttrust a wolf.
That's pretty good, it's prettygood, all right.
Chris Grainger (41:14):
So let's go back to marriage.
What's a marriage tip you wishyou had learned earlier man.
Tim Timberlake (41:20):
Uh, I think one of the most powerful things that
we all can learn is men thatare married, as we mentioned
before, just understanding thepower of doing things together,
not being sil solo, not tryingto do everything by yourself,
but really partnering andunderstanding that your wife is
(41:42):
your help, me and vice versa,your husband is your helper, and
so you know.
Walking that out, I wish I hadhad learned the significance and
the power of just doing thingstogether, carrying and
stewarding and distributing theweight of life together.
There you go, instead of tryingto shoulder it all.
Chris Grainger (42:01):
Okay, how about debunk a myth that's out there,
tim around pastors, people havetheir visions and ideas of what
you do.
Is there a myth that you justwant to debunk right now?
Tim Timberlake (42:14):
I think one of the greatest myths is that all
pastors are corrupt.
All pastors want your money.
All pastors live a certain typeof way.
You know those are mythswebsites tearing down pastors
and ministers, churches andpeople in ministry than any
(42:39):
other type of blog, and I justthink that that's because number
one, either, people have beenhurt by people.
We utilize culture and societyI should say, utilize this
language like church hurt.
I've been church hurt and Ialways tell people the church
has not hurt you, people in thechurch has hurt you, and so
there's a significant differencebetween that.
(43:00):
But you know, there are someincredible pastors out there
that live their life with godlycharacter and integrity.
Um and so I think that's onethat that needs to be debunked.
Chris Grainger (43:10):
Love it.
Thank you for doing thatAbsolutely.
How about, uh, your go to appLike what's the app on your
phone that you find yourself?
You couldn't live without anyof them.
Tim Timberlake (43:19):
jump out devotionals.
There's, of course, the Bibleapp.
That is incredible as well.
Those apps, man, they guide me,they are very good discipleship
(43:44):
resources that I think weshould all apply to our daily
lives that provide more thanjust reading scripture, but
videos, in-depth conversationsaround what you've just read,
resources provided to you as tohow you can go deeper in
scripture.
Chris Grainger (44:01):
So, yeah, Okay, I have to check out Glorify.
I'm not familiar with that one,I'm an author on the Bible app.
So I have tons of studies onthe Bible app.
People love those.
I'm trying to write about two amonth.
But I have to check outglorified.
Does that have the Biblestudies as well in the plans?
It does, Okay, yeah.
(44:22):
Okay, it does All right, we'llhave to check it out and see if
we can get to lie in on that.
All right, good deal, tim.
Last question for you is whatdo you hope the guys listening
remember the most from ourconversation today?
Tim Timberlake (44:33):
That life is never meant to be easy, but
through it we grow, we growstronger, we grow a deeper love
for Jesus.
Through it we get anunderstanding of who God is as a
father, because of thoseseasons.
And so I would say don't avoidthe hard things.
Lean into them, because theymake you stronger.
Chris Grainger (44:55):
Amen, Amen, brother, when you want to send
folks to get a copy of the book.
Connect with you all the stuffyou're doing on social media as
well.
Tim Timberlake (45:01):
Absolutely Go to the bumpy road to bettercom, Uh
.
You can check out all of mysocial handles on my website,
timtemberlaketv.
Uh, and it'll lead you to thevarious places where you can
find me.
Chris Grainger (45:14):
All right.
Well, pastor Tim has been greatagain having you back on the
show.
Thank you so much.
Blessings for when the for thebook and the launch, and look
forward to hopefully connectingagain in the future.
Tim Timberlake (45:23):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for having meon.
Chris Grainger (45:27):
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