Ep. 290 - How to Conquer Your Feelings

It's crucial to discern emotions through the foundation of God's word rather than letting feelings dictate actions. The guys encourage Christians to renew their minds with God's truth, letting the reality of eternity motivate their actions. 

As a new believer, introspection becomes an essential action. Ray, E.Z., Mark, and Oscar talk about the difference between unbelievers, who ride their feelings like a wave, and believers, who have a foundation with which to discern their emotions. Emotions and feelings are self-centered and unreliable. This is why Christians have to be careful not to approach the word of God without letting feelings dictate actions. A solid foundation in God’s word prevents being led astray. Understanding your emotions in their proper context is crucial.

Today’s culture emphasizes feelings. This has led to a false belief among believers that if you can’t feel God, He isn’t there. The cultural narrative that feelings should be validated, and that others must conform to them, is flawed. The guys contend that emotions are God-given gauges of our heart’s condition and should inform, not control, us. Christians might have irrational fears that don't align with truth. Being governed by feelings leads to self-prioritization, but as Christians, we are guided by God’s law. 

Society dictates which feelings are valid, leading to destruction. Only God knows our true selves. The world celebrates all feelings, making heroes out of those who feel they are different from their biological sex, leading to serious consequences. Many young people tragically turn to homosexuality because they’re told to celebrate all feelings. Without God as our truth, we live by lies. Renewing our minds and discerning what is good and perfect is essential. Meditate on God’s word to resist temptation. The guys recognize that men and women are both emotional beings, but they express emotions in different ways. Women are perceived to be more emotional, but we see in Psalms and other places in the Old Testament that men are also expressive of their emotions. 

For believers struggling with feelings, self-control is a fruit of the Spirit. Christians possess this quality and should examine themselves to grow in sanctification. Don’t feed wrong thoughts and feelings; ignore them. What if you don’t feel like sharing the gospel? The reality of hell should motivate you, and you’ll rejoice in sharing the gospel. Often, we don’t feel like doing profitable things, but the fruit of our labor is worth it. Don’t let feelings dictate actions; use them to identify areas needing submission to the Lord. The guys share stories of pushing past their feelings of hesitation to

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Ray Comfort
Emeal (“E.Z.”) Zwayne
Mark Spence

unconditionally andsacrificially serve that
individual.
And that's the way we are tolove our spouses and really love
each other.
Right, Love is not a feeling,it is a verb, it is an action.

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I am committed to you even ifyou're never committed to me,
and this is the way we approachthe word of god.
Right, our feelings are sofickle.
If I would have went by myfeelings, I would have married
16 people before I met my wife.
But no, I wanted to wait for myactual wife.
Run your race as hard and asfast as you can towards the lord
and, when you're ready to getmarried, look around to see who

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kept up with you and marry thatindividual.
Martin Luther said don't allowyour feelings to preach to you,
Because our feelings are alwayspreaching to us.
We need to have a louder voice,right?
The sirens are always shoutingand calling out to us and
singing to us from thosecrashing rocks, and if we set
ourselves on the solid rock ofGod's word, well then, we're not

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going to be led astray.
Nancy Wilson worded it likethis anytime our emotions drive
the car, we soon end up in aditch.

Emeal Zwayne (01:21):
For many, many years, friends, I have been in
the business of saving souls,but today I have added a new
saving profile to my savingresume.
I am now into saving cameras.
That's right, friends.

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Did you guys see the saving ofthe camera that I did earlier in
the video today?

Oscar Navarro (01:46):
I couldn't figure out whether you were talking
about shoes or actual souls whenyou said saving souls.

Ray Comfort (01:50):
Souls, living souls , you mean you got a true eye
for the camera and you didn't.

Emeal Zwayne (01:53):
Did you guys see the camera earlier?
That was falling.

Mark Spence (01:56):
I did.

Emeal Zwayne (01:57):
You saw that, mark , I did.

Mark Spence (01:58):
Yeah, yale called it out, you saw it.
Were you in here?
Yes, you all said oh no, no, no, no.
And then you like stumbled andyou fell you cried.

Emeal Zwayne (02:07):
I didn't even know I had a witness, but I did, I
guess, because I thought youguys were going to believe me.
Yeah, because the irony is thatthe camera didn't catch me
catching the camera, so I didn'thave any evidence to prove that
I can't see the camera.

Oscar Navarro (02:16):
Don't we have a full-time recording camera up
here?
Yes, we do, so it is evidence.

Emeal Zwayne (02:22):
You guys will never hear the end of it.
I saved our camera Thousands ofdollars.
I want to know how you?

Mark Spence (02:26):
save souls.
How does EZ himself?

Emeal Zwayne (02:28):
save souls.
Yeah, help me understand itfrom a theological perspective.
Well, here's my explanation ofit.
Well, first I just want to saythis In relation to the proper
utilization of the hermeneuticaland homiletical principles of
biblical interpretation andpreaching, it's, it's imperative
that one possess higherexegetical skills, especially
when dealing with the diversityof logical and eschatological
systems within the variousgenres of the biblical text.
So, when you resolve, that thenI'll.

Oscar Navarro (02:49):
I think I know why you have a headache now.

Emeal Zwayne (02:49):
Yeah.

Oscar Navarro (02:51):
Oh, don't remind me.

Emeal Zwayne (02:51):
Sorry, oh my goodness, seriously, it was gone
and now it's back, so anywayhave you guys ever dealt with
that though Like oh man, wheredoes this excitement come?

Mark Spence (03:05):
to talk about this?

Emeal Zwayne (03:06):
is what I was going to talk about.
I was going to say have youguys ever done something great
but no one saw it and it wasn'trecorded.
Yes, and then people justwouldn't believe you my whole
life you remember that stupidlittle thing, ray with the, with
the nose, with the little chainwhat did you do with that?

Ray Comfort (03:18):
I'm supposed to get that hang on.

Emeal Zwayne (03:20):
Hang on, you were horrible you remember, explain
to me, remember that littleround thing and it had like a
chain in there in a guy's headand you would shake it and it
would create a nose and a mouthMix the face.
Oh yes, what was that?
I don't know, but that was oneof the coolest things.
But every time Ray look and hewould just bump my hand and it

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would make a man's face.

Ray Comfort (03:46):
No, that's not the one we're talking about.
Yes, it is no.

Emeal Zwayne (03:50):
Ray, it had a little chain Chain.
It was round, it had some funnylooking dude, black and white
head, and then you would shakeit and the chain would Mark.
You know exactly.
I totally remember Remember itwas a little circle thing this
is reminding me of.
Jacob and Daniel.
Not remembering, I need acognitive test.

Mark Spence (04:05):
What would I type in to find it?
How do I find it on Amazon?
I'm going to buy one right now.
Who are you guys?
Wait you.

Ray Comfort (04:09):
Who are you guys?
Wait, hold on you seriously.
What am I doing here?
You can't be serious.

Mark Spence (04:19):
Look, I just got some.
He didn't take his meds.

Emeal Zwayne (04:21):
Mark, you remember it 100% right.
Remember you would shake it andit was a little chain and then
it would shape his nose andmouth.

Ray Comfort (04:29):
Yeah, that's the thing I was talking about.

Emeal Zwayne (04:32):
It was circular, wasn't it?
Yeah, but it wasn't ballbearings, it was just like a
little tiny.

Ray Comfort (04:36):
Well, they looked like a chain, but they were
little round bearings that wouldpull together because they're
magnetized.
No, they weren't magnetized,they weren't.

Emeal Zwayne (04:43):
Forget it.

Mark Spence (04:44):
I don't even know how to look it up.

Emeal Zwayne (04:45):
And how funny.
I'm talking about not beingable to prove something.

Ray Comfort (04:48):
No, that was it.
That was the one I justdescribed wrong.
I think it was a chain thatfell on the guy's face, but I'd
bump you every time you showedme his face.

Emeal Zwayne (05:05):
Yeah, every time.
Oh, I remember it now it was alittle old.
Yes, I found it.

Ray Comfort (05:06):
Did you?
Is that it, mark?
Yes, that's it Now.
You remember it.
That's it, yes.

Emeal Zwayne (05:09):
Okay, so were you thinking of something else?

Ray Comfort (05:10):
No, I was thinking it was ball bearings, but it was
the chain link and it wouldfall into that.

Emeal Zwayne (05:15):
Mark, we need to buy one of those.
I love that thing.
Yeah, it was a great joybecause Mark would do it too.

Ray Comfort (05:22):
He'd come up with it, perfectly done, and I'd say,
give me a look and I'd bump itand you couldn't get it back
right, it was one of those.
Yeah.

Emeal Zwayne (05:30):
Now we have phones , because this was before I
think we had it.

Ray Comfort (05:33):
Are you going to order one more?
What's?
It called it's in Germany, I'mnot buying something in.
Germany, what's the name?

Emeal Zwayne (05:40):
of it.
I ball bearings.
No, it's from.

Ray Comfort (05:41):
Germany.

Oscar Navarro (05:45):
I have done some.
There's this one time, goingback to your originally question
, this one time we're at thispark and you know those they
make these things that are likemade to hurt your children.
It's on a pole and then there'sa bowl and it spins.
But it spins like kind of weirdand they like get going and you
can't stop.
So I weird and they like getgoing and you can't stop.

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So I'm I've got like evie,she's like two years old,
maddie's like six, seven oreight, and she sits on it and it
starts spinning out of controland she's like holding on for
dear life and I book it overthere.
She falls off and I catch herby her ankle, dude, and her head
like barely misses the cementand I caught her and it was one
of those moments like oh but noone was there.

Ray Comfort (06:27):
No one cared at all .
It was like the greatest dadmoment ever no one gave her how
long ago was this probably.

Oscar Navarro (06:33):
Yeah, 10 years ago maybe, oh no, no cell phones
we don't believe it would havebeen a dozen phones would have
got it by now we don't believeyou.

Emeal Zwayne (06:40):
Yeah, it's funny like we live life through
captured imagery.
Have you guys ever done thiswhere you're trying to rewind
real-time moment in life?
No, seriously, I've had thatlike, oh, let me.
No, I can't Like a person.
Yeah, like an event, somethingthat just happened Because we're
so used to being able to watchthings over again.

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What are you two?

Ray Comfort (07:02):
doing, we found it.

Emeal Zwayne (07:03):
What the face?
The actual face?
You're going to buy one, right?
Yes, I missed that thing.
Yes, that's the one.
Yes, oh, yes, please, mark,it's one of my favorite things.
Show the camera.

Mark Spence (07:16):
Show the cameras.
We can prove that Ray was wrong.
There's Ray's phone number andaddress in the corner.
Get that online.

Emeal Zwayne (07:21):
Alright, Friends, time for a cool, classy comment.
This is from Lisa Tannis.
Hey guys, I recently startedlistening to your podcast and
absolutely love it.
You guys are so funny andknowledgeable about the Word of
God.
I learn a lot from you all.
I'm looking forward to yourstreaming service.
Love your books.
Ray, Thank you for your amazingpodcast and resources on

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livingwaterscom.
Hey, thank you, by the way,Lisa, Very encouraging.
Lisa mentioned something veryimportant our streaming service,
Oscar.
Tell the people about ourstreaming service.

Oscar Navarro (07:56):
I'm not going to listen to it now.
We have so much content.
We've got 10 seasons, almostnow, of Way of the Master.
We've got video of Raypreaching the gospel all the way
back from, I think, theseventies it goes as early as
that.
We've got so much stuff thatwe've produced over the course
of the years that and we'venever been able to put it all in
one spot.

(08:17):
Often, when somebody comes up tome and asks like hey, where can
I watch Way of the Master, it'slike you can watch season five
on this channel, season seven onthat channel, and so we decided
to create a streaming servicethat's going to house pretty
much everything we've ever done.
It's going to be one login.
You're going to be able to hopin there and watch it all all of
our movies, all of our TV showsand, for you, podcast listeners

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, you're going to be able towatch the podcast being recorded
.
You'll be able to see our facesand our expressions.
It's going to be a totallydifferent experience for you,
and all of this will behappening very soon.
You can go to livingwaterstv tosign up so that you can be one
of the first to know when itlaunches.
And when it launches, we'regoing to do a discount for the

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first 90 days, so you'll want tostay tuned for that.

Ray Comfort (09:06):
So don't we have some teaching from teachers
around the?

Oscar Navarro (09:08):
world, that's true, yeah.
Yeah, mark, you want to talkabout the Equip.

Mark Spence (09:12):
So there's many different branches of Living
Waters TV, and one of thebranches that we're very excited
about is called Living WatersEquip, where we've brought in
the top professors, theologians,pastors and teachers to answer
in a street, apologetic way, thetop questions that you get out
on the street.
Right, why the Bible and notthe Bhagavad Gita?
Give us your two, three-minuteanswer.
Right, because when you're outon the street and you're

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witnessing, you do not have 30minutes to talk to someone.
It's not a monologue, it's adialogue.
Yeah, so how do you get rightto it?

Ray Comfort (09:41):
So we're really excited about it.

Mark Spence (09:45):
Give me some teachers.
We have Emile Zwane, we haveOscar Navarro.

Oscar Navarro (09:50):
We have Ray Comfort.

Ray Comfort (09:52):
We have.

Mark Spence (09:52):
Mark Spence.

Ray Comfort (09:54):
Yeah, actually I'll give you a list.
Votie Bochum.
Votie Bochum.

Oscar Navarro (09:57):
Bochum, sorry, let me give you an example.
Ray asked me a street question.

Ray Comfort (10:04):
You think you're a good person.
I don't know.

Mark Spence (10:09):
Okay, we do have a good list of people.
We have your pastor, BruceGarner he's wonderful.
We have Bill McKeever dealingwith Mormonism.
We have Edward DeCour Dr EdwardDeCour.
We have Eric Hoven, Frank Turek, Greg Kokel, Jay Warner,
Wallace, James White, Jay Smithdealing with Islam.
Jay Smith dealing with Islam,Jeff Urban, Jesse Johnson,
Justin Peters, Ken Ham, KentHughes, Kurt Cameron, Matt

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Shuckleford, Matt Slick, MikeGendron with Catholicism, Mike
Riccardi, Mike Weiner.

Oscar Navarro (10:37):
Steven Seagal.
Steven Seagal Owen.

Mark Spence (10:39):
Stratton Joe Biden, bill Johnson, joe Biden.
How, joe Biden, bill Johnson,joe Biden.
How did he get on that list?

Emeal Zwayne (10:44):
Kamala Harris All right guys.

Ray Comfort (10:47):
Anyway, that was about half the list.

Emeal Zwayne (10:48):
Yeah, so that was a radically revolutionary
resource.
I'll throw one more in Goddoesn't believe in atheists.
Proof that the atheist does notexist.
Ray, when did you write thatbook?
I don't know, no it was about1992.
Yeah, love that title, one ofmy favorite titles.

Ray Comfort (11:05):
I sent it to a publisher.
I sent it to a lot ofpublishers.
Only one picked it up.
It was because the editor gavehis atheist son son-in-law the
manuscript.

Mark Spence (11:20):
He got saved reading it and he decided to
publish it.
What, wow, really, is thatreally?

Ray Comfort (11:23):
how that happened.
Yes, yeah, is that the samebook?
That's right.
Oh, that idiot book, americanAtheist.
Yeah, that was the book.
It was called that Idiot Bookand then you took flak for that,
didn't you?

Emeal Zwayne (11:31):
Yes, ray, I can't believe you actually went and
debated someone at an atheistconvention.
It was wonderful you weren'tworried they were going to
poison your food.

Ray Comfort (11:39):
No, they gave us a big gift basket when I arrived.
I told a friend I got him totry it as a cupbearer.

Oscar Navarro (11:47):
Yeah Was it Mark Spence Was that your cupbearer?

Ray Comfort (11:49):
No no, it was a guy named Ron.

Emeal Zwayne (11:51):
Boy.

Ray Comfort (11:51):
All right, France he died.

Emeal Zwayne (11:53):
All right, france, what was I going to say?
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Ray Comfort (12:06):
I like that you're clarified.
I'm a businessmanLivingwaterscom.

Emeal Zwayne (12:09):
All right, friends .
Today we are dealing with howto conquer your feelings.

Ray Comfort (12:16):
Guys, I don't know if you feel this, I didn't feel
like doing this one.
I didn't feel like it we shouldstop now.

Emeal Zwayne (12:21):
We don't feel like it.
I don't know why.
Every time I hear the wordfeelings it.

Mark Spence (12:26):
Makes you want to sing.
Go for it.

Ray Comfort (12:27):
Play me a song, you don't have to.

Emeal Zwayne (12:29):
Feelings Not necessary.
Nothing more than feelings.

Oscar Navarro (12:37):
Our guests just left.

Emeal Zwayne (12:38):
Seriously, man, I'm the worst singer on the
planet.
I hope people.
I hope people realize that,like when I sing, I know.

Oscar Navarro (12:44):
I'm a horrible singer.
I'm not worst singer on theplanet.
I hope people realize that whenI sing I know I'm a horrible
singer.
I'm not trying to pretend.

Mark Spence (12:48):
Do you?
Are you serious?
Sometimes you're impressed.

Emeal Zwayne (12:51):
Well, sometimes I'm impressed.
I hit a note, that's all it is,it's not the worst.

Mark Spence (12:56):
My son said that he absolutely loves hearing you
sing.
Did I tell you that?

Ray Comfort (12:59):
Your dead son no.

Oscar Navarro (13:00):
He loves it.

Emeal Zwayne (13:05):
It, he loves it, it demonstrates his humility,
yeah, for sure.
So anyway, guys, yeah, feelings, man feelings.

Ray Comfort (13:10):
Hey, how are you feeling?

Emeal Zwayne (13:12):
Feelings.
Well, I'm still battling thatheadache.

Oscar Navarro (13:16):
Oscar, how are you feeling Good?
You know, what's funny is, whenI first got married, my wife no
, no, no, no, no, no.
How are you feeling Good?
I'm feeling hungry.

Ray Comfort (13:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
How are you feeling Good?
I'm feeling hungry.
No, no, no, mark, how are youfeeling?
I feel good.
There's none good.
You don't go by feelings, thankyou, I've heard that.

Emeal Zwayne (13:37):
With you, Ray.
Seriously, it's gotten to apoint where, before I ask the
question?

Ray Comfort (13:39):
the answer is ringing in my ear.
Okay, Ready, ready, finish this.
Oscar did it.
What a miracle.

Emeal Zwayne (13:47):
Wow, that was good .

Oscar Navarro (13:48):
All right, let's close in prayer.

Emeal Zwayne (13:52):
We're done how dumb was that?
Yeah, you know, I think back towhen I first got saved, because
Before you know the Lord.

Ray Comfort (14:00):
I wonder, who started that, what, when we
first did that?
Are we still on?

Mark Spence (14:05):
Squirrel.
What is the etymology of theknock, squirrel, squirrel.

Emeal Zwayne (14:10):
But we really.
You know, when you're a newbeliever, you just come off of
your entire life revolvingaround feelings, right?
I mean, think of all the thingsthat we used to do as
unbelievers, that we neverquestioned for a second like,
never contemplated, never hadany self-introspection over,
because that's just how werolled.
And then we get saved and allof a sudden you start to realize

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, little by little, you can'troll that way anymore.
But I rode feelings like a wavewith joy and glee, and that's
what ruled my life.
And when you think about You'retalking about sin, yeah, like
feelings.
Well, yeah, sin, but also just,I guess, a sense of normalcy and
pleasure in just what you feel.

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It would dictate the reason whyyou would make decisions.
Oh, if it feels good, do it,yeah.
Well, I mean, how many timesyou hear people say well, I got
divorced, I just wasn't feelinglove for them anymore, and so
you get saved?
And then your whole world haschanged because you start
realizing your feelings aredeceptive, your feelings are
untrustworthy, your feelings areoftentimes self-centered, so it

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should be faithings, faithingsI just made that word up Is that
your new book Ray.

Ray Comfort (15:26):
It's obvious.

Emeal Zwayne (15:27):
It's very clear Faithings.

Mark Spence (15:29):
You know, ez, you bring up a really good point
there, right?
We do not go by feelings Forsomebody to say I no longer love
that person.
They're saying that they are nolonger choosing to
unconditionally andsacrificially serve that
individual.
And that's the way we are tolove our spouses and really love
each other.
Right, love is not a feeling,it is a verb, it is an action.

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I am committed to you even ifyou're never committed to me,
and this is the way we approachthe Word of God.
Right, our feelings are sofickle.
If I would have went by myfeelings, I would have married
16 people before I met my wife.
But no, I wanted to wait for myactual wife.
Run your race as hard and asfast as you can towards the Lord
and, when you're ready to getmarried, look around to see who

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kept up with you and marry thatindividual.
Martin Luther said don't allowyour feelings to preach to you,
because our feelings are alwayspreaching to us.
We need to have a louder voice,right?
The sirens are always shoutingand calling out to us and
singing to us from thosecrashing rocks, and if we set
ourselves on the solid rock ofGod's Word, well then, we're not

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going to be led astray.
Nancy Wilson worded it likethis anytime our emotions drive
the car, we soon end up in aditch.

Emeal Zwayne (16:45):
Wow, that's so profound.
You know the flip side of thatand we'll explore all this
together, but feelings have beengiven to us by the Lord.
Like feelings are notaltogether illegitimate.
In fact, they could beabsolutely wonderful.
So this is what you're feelingat the moment In the proper
context.
That's my current feeling.
So, you know, it comes down tounderstanding your feelings,

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looking at them in their propercontext, enjoying them when they
correlate to truth andcorrespond to truth, and
thanking the Lord for them, butbeing careful to not be governed
and controlled and ruled byyour feelings and by your
emotions.
And you know, I would also saythat even before we came to know

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Christ, we denied our feelingson many fronts, you know.
But it was typically in keepingwith things that were
associated with necessity, inthe sense that it immediately
impacted us Like okay, I don'tfeel like going to work today,
and maybe we'll go with thatfeeling a few times in line and

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say we're gonna be sick.
But we know it hits a pointthat if we keep doing that we're
gonna lose our job.
So we deny that feeling of notwanting to go to work and we go
right.
But I think with the unbelieveranything that doesn't deal with
that sort of thing they're justgoing to typically go with
their feelings and be ruled andgoverned.

Mark Spence (18:09):
Yeah, and here's the big problem with that I
don't feel God.
We live in a society where thechurch is telling us that God is
a feeling.
Right, I don't feel like God iswith me anymore and we discount
Scripture altogether.
Now, feelings are not aterrible thing, like you said.
We just can't let them rule us.

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Macarthur worded it like thisfeelings are a poor foundation
for marriage, but they can be awonderful, glorious byproduct.
Right, you're right, god hascreated us like this, but we
cannot allow them to rule us asheadbe beams as we move forward.

Oscar Navarro (18:45):
Yeah, you guys are bringing up a really good
point, which is that there'sthese two narratives out there
in which we see One.
There's like the culturalnarratives, that your feelings
are what defines you.
Right?
So many people are told todaylike, whatever you feel, you
need to go out and express yourfeelings, get it off your chest,
let it out, just be honest.

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Those feelings is what defineyou, and once you express that,
then the world around you needsto conform to the feeling that
you're having about yourself.
Feelings is how we understand,how the world tells us that we
should pursue truth.
Right, it's not like you don'thear people say I think.
They say I feel.
You know, feelings is how weperceive truth, and the problem

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is our feelings are incrediblyinconsistent.
I like to always say like.
Sometimes I feel like beingreally healthy, and then I wake
up in the morning and I feellike a breakfast burrito.
You know what I mean.
When kids are really little,they feel like there's a monster
in their closet.
Our feelings are inconsistentand to try to use them as
governing tools to our lives, asMark said, it'll leave you to a

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road ditch.
Now, the other problem too andthis is what you're alluding to
is that the response is veryhumish.
David Hume was this philosopherand he talked about feelings as
like this rabid dog that needsto be reined in, that we need to
be less of emotional creatures,that we need to suck it up and
just think our way through life.
But this is also not a biblicalview of what it means to be a

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person, and you hit it on thehead easy.
Our emotions, our feelings, aregifts from the, from the God
who created us, and they aregiven to us to be road signs to
better understand our own heart.
Our emotions, our feelings flowfrom our affections, the things

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that we love, the things thatwe worship, and so your feelings
.
They don't define you, but theywill inform you.
They will inform you of theidols that you have in your life
, of the affections that arecontrolling your desires, and
the Psalms do a great job ofthis.
Like the Psalmist, theyexpressed their emotions, but

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their emotions help them to knowtheir own hearts and then to
worship the God of their, thecreator of their lives, wow.

Emeal Zwayne (21:09):
That's so good.
Oscar Ray, you often talk aboutfear in the sense that fear can
be your friend because it cankeep you from doing something
stupid and dangerous, and soforth.
But we also know that sometimesfor the Christian, there are
what are called irrational fears, and the reason why these fears

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are irrational is because theydon't coincide with truth.
So when someone is saying youknow, as a born-again Christian
who knows and loves Godgenuinely, and they bear fruit
of salvation, that person says Ijust feel like God doesn't love
me and I'm afraid, I'm fearful.

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I mean, that's the kind ofthing that's associated with
feeling.
What do you say to theChristian who's in that realm?
I get these feelings and theyjust affect my life.

Ray Comfort (22:04):
That's scary Now irrational fears.
I think we deal with a lot ofthings in life because we live
in a fallen creation.
It's a battle between thecarnal mind and the spiritual
mind, the Adam and the new manin Christ, and what we've got to
do is reckon some of thosefeelings dead.
I'm crucified with the Christ.
Nevertheless, I live not I, butChrist lives in me, and the

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life I live now in the flesh, Ilive by the faith of the Son of
God, who loved me and gavehimself for me, and that's the
love expressed in the cross.
So that's what we look to, notto our feelings.
I was almost going to be latefor today's podcast.
I sent you a text saying Icould be a minute late.
And you were very gracious andyou were two minutes.
No one was counting or lookingand the reason I was a little

(22:47):
late is because our televisionkeeps turning itself back on
when I turn it off.

Emeal Zwayne (22:51):
I've had that at my house.
You have, we have the same TV.
No, it's a different TV, butit's the same sort.

Ray Comfort (22:56):
Yeah, it came back eight times.
I was going to leave it.
It, as I was going to leave, it, would come back on it would go
off for about 30 seconds.

Emeal Zwayne (23:04):
Are you sure Lucy didn't have a remote?

Ray Comfort (23:06):
No, she didn't have a remote, but it's been doing
it for a couple of months.
It's just really annoying.
But that's what feelings arelike.

Emeal Zwayne (23:16):
You think you've got them under control, and yet
they come back on when you leastexpect it.

Mark Spence (23:18):
The Lord gave you that experience for this analogy
that reminds me I had a remotecontrol called a TV Be Gone, and
I used to attach it to my keychain.
I'd go inside of sporting bars.
Oh Mark, this is terrible.
It was terrible.
I'm bringing my confessionbefore you.

Ray Comfort (23:31):
Yeah, I was going to say this last week and right
before somebody goes to score atouchdown or something.

Mark Spence (23:35):
I just I could turn off the TV and everybody was
going crazy not knowing where Iwas at.
But I absolutely loved doingthat.
That is such a marketing, allright, hey, back on subject here
.
Did you stop?
No, real quick.

Emeal Zwayne (23:48):
Remember those pocket PCs before smartphones
came out?
It was like a little pocket.
It's like a smartphone, butyeah, sort of thing.
I had one of those and it hadan app where you could control
any TV and I loved it, becauseif you go into a doctor's office
and something filthy is on you,Same concept.

Mark Spence (24:05):
Mark have you stopped doing that.
I don't have it anymore, Iwould use it.
He'll probably look it up again.

Ray Comfort (24:12):
It would be great to be able to preach to people.

Emeal Zwayne (24:14):
Go silent in some bar and say hey, the TV's off,
there's no audio I waswitnessing to my Lyft driver the
other day and he had the radiogoing and I just wanted to say,
can you turn that off?
It was driving.
I mean it wasn't too loud, butit was still distracting, you
know so what did you do about it?

Ray Comfort (24:27):
this is what I've done.
What you do is just say so,how's your day going?
And he's like get real quietthat's yeah, right wait.

Emeal Zwayne (24:37):
Have you really done that?

Ray Comfort (24:38):
right, so you just talk quietly.
That's pretty good.
I'm sure I have.

Emeal Zwayne (24:40):
They talk quietly that's's really genius, actually
.
All right, Mark, back on topic.

Mark Spence (24:44):
To answer your question, I think for people who
go by feelings right, there isa popular saying if it feels
good, do it.
If you have that sort of mantra, you're actually in a popular
line Not a good line, but apopular line, because Anton
LaVey said something verysimilar.
Shouldn't you say who he is?
The Satanic Bible yeah, he'sthe author of the Satanic Bible.

Emeal Zwayne (25:07):
Let's not talk about who Mark called that one
of our guests in the studio.

Mark Spence (25:10):
But anyway, go ahead.
We did have a guest that lookedlike Anton.

Emeal Zwayne (25:12):
LeVay yeah, we're not going to say who it is.

Mark Spence (25:14):
But I walked into the studio and I go.
Who invited?
Anton LeVay.

Emeal Zwayne (25:18):
You really offended him, Mark.

Ray Comfort (25:28):
He was super offended.
Oh duh, you look like one ofthe world's worst Satanists.

Emeal Zwayne (25:30):
Stop looking like Anton LaVey, I won't call you.

Mark Spence (25:34):
Anton LaVey Was his first name, james, so Anyways,
go ahead, mark Anton LaVey.
This is what he said Do whatthou will shall be the whole of
the law, right?
So do whatever you want.
And what do we do?
We do what we feel like we wantto do.
We prioritize the things thatwe feel would be beneficial for
us at that moment, until youbecome a Christian.
Because when you become aChristian, you are now governed

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by a different law.
You are ruled and guided byGod's eye.
We are led by his spirit, wetake refuge under the shadow of
his wings and we allow him tomake all of the decisions for us
.
And we understand what hisdecisions are by meditating
through his word.

Oscar Navarro (26:12):
You know, what's interesting is that you're
actually even today, you'reactually not governed by your
emotions, you're governed by arubric, a system in which you've
accepted by the culture.
And so we think like theculture is telling us hey, go
express however you feel aboutyourself.
But the reality is the cultureis still telling us what
feelings to express and whatfeelings to suppress.

(26:33):
And my prime example is thisand this is someone else, way
smarter than me, brought this up, brought this to my attention.
But they said if you thinkabout it, if you think about
like an Anglo-Saxon warriorwalking down his village and he
looks inside of himself and hesees same-sex attraction, but he
also looks inside of himselfand he sees rage, that he wants
to go out and murder someone andtake everything to his own

(26:56):
possession, that Anglo-Saxonwarrior, because of his culture,
will suppress those feelings ofsame-sex attraction and express
that feeling of rage.
Now imagine somebody walkingdown the street of New York and
they look inside of themselvesand they feel a desire to commit
murder, but they also feel thatdesire of same-sex attraction

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because of the culture in whichthey live, they will decide to
suppress the feeling of rage andexpress the feeling of same-sex
attraction, and so the pointthat I'm making here is the
culture is lying to you.
It's not saying you should beable to express whatever you
want.
The culture has imprinted astandard of living for you in

(27:38):
which you govern your emotionsby and what we're telling you.
The beauty of the gospel isthat the culture is fleeting and
it's leading you to destruction, but only God knows your heart.
Only God knows who you trulyare, because he is your maker
and he is giving you a standard,a rubric, a filter in which

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will lead to your joy and willlead to everlasting life.
Wow.

Ray Comfort (28:07):
And the world that's giving us that culture to
live in is being deceived bythe spiritual cultures that
they're subjected to.

Emeal Zwayne (28:11):
Yeah, and ultimately traces its roots to
what Scripture says about Satan,the prince of the power of the
air, the spirit who now works,and the sons of disobedience,
and we say that from thestandpoint that it goes on to
say among whom we all onceconducted ourselves.
So we say this with sympathyand compassion toward the
unbeliever, because we were oncethere, ruled by our emotions
and our feelings.
But I would add to that, oscar,that was brilliantly stated, I

(28:33):
would add to that that what theculture also does as a part of
that rubric is it tells you thatyour feelings, no matter what
they are, are valid, and sothat's where they take it to the
next step.
No matter what they are arevalid, and so that's where they
take it to the next step.
So it's not just I have thesefeelings and that's why it's
that no, and my feelings arevalid because they're constantly
validated by the world, youknow.
And so, ray, I'm so glad Oscarbrought up the issue of

(28:55):
homosexuality.
That's where I was going to go,and I think you dealt with that
right.
But that's the problem, right,the world is validating whatever
feeling you have, and then, ontop of validating, it's
celebrating, because now it'snot just hey, no, that's a good
feeling, but we're going to makeyou a hero, like now.
If you come out as homosexual,you're a hero.
If you come out as transgender,you're a hero.

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So, ray, that happens as well.
We talked about the homosexualissue, but I feel like a woman
happens as well.
We talked about the homosexualissue, but I feel like a woman I
feel like a man, I feel like ananimal easy needs counsel yeah,
oh no I hope no one isolates,but what?

Ray Comfort (29:30):
yeah, what is that clip?

Emeal Zwayne (29:31):
please just just cut that little portion out.
We'll drop it.
I just did myself, yeah, yeah.
So, ray, what do you say topeople?

Ray Comfort (29:39):
because look, somebody feels like a woman.

Emeal Zwayne (29:41):
Well, I'd say what is a woman, okay, okay, that
opens up, right, that whole canof worms.
We've seen that movie before,but look, I do want to say that
this has some seriousconnotations, because I know
there's people listening rightnow who are inundated with that
right.
I've always said we're veryimpressionable and we live in a

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very influential age.
It's like a stone coming upagainst soft clay right, where
we're easily impacted andaffected and influenced.
So there's people listening forwhom this is like real, because
they have been brainwashed forso long that if you feel
something, it must be true.
I mean, how many, how manyyoung people have so tragically
gone into homosexuality becausesome stupid thought or weird

(30:24):
feeling came into their heart,because they looked at someone
of the same sex and then theyjust, oh, that must mean I am,
and then that begins to expand.
Mark, were you going to saysomething?

Mark Spence (30:31):
Yeah, well somebody wiser than myself, which is 8
billion people on the planet,said if we do not meditate on
God's word as truth, we're goingto believe lies are true and
this is why we buy into thatidea that I'm a woman trapped in
a man's body or something alongthat lines.
Right, we need to renew ourmind, and scripture is very
important to bring this together.

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Right, romans 12, 2,.
Do not be conformed to thisworld, as we said earlier, but
be transformed by the renewal ofyour mind that, by the testing,
you may discern what is thewill of God and what is good and
acceptable and perfect.
Or, as John Calvin worded itlet the mind dwell upon the
truth of God's word until itburns into your soul.
That's what we need to do withthe word of God.

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We don't just flippantly read ascripture, a text, our daily
bread.
I read the verse for the day.
We get our news and we get ourBible intake from Instagram
memes.
Right, there's something wrongwith us.
We need to.
You can read any chapter of theday.
We get our news and we get ourBible intake from Instagram
memes.
There's something wrong with us.
We need to.
You can read any chapter of theBible in two to three minutes,
except for Psalm 119.

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Two to three minutes anychapter of the Bible.
And people come along and say Idon't have time to read God's
Word.
Look, you go through God's.

Ray Comfort (31:40):
Word.
You're talking about thegenealogies too.
Try it while I'm readingGenesis 5, go Genesis 5.

Mark Spence (31:48):
Which is the first sign of the gospel.

Emeal Zwayne (31:49):
I'm told man appointed, mortal sorrow will
teach that the blessed God shallcome down, teaching that his
death shall bring the despairingcomfort Something like that
First sign of the gospel,genesis 5.

Mark Spence (31:59):
That's pretty crazy , yeah, tremendous.
But we need to meditate onGod's word so much that when an
answer comes to our head, itreally is just we're
plagiarizing God's word, that itis God's word that came out.
So when I have a weirdobstructed feeling to not do
what God's calling me to do, Ijust know that it is the right

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thing to do.
And if you're a non-believer,you do this all the time
actually.
But your three-month-old babyneeds help and direction and
needs to eat.
Guess what you do?
You swallow your feelings andyou do that, which is right.

(32:41):
You feed your starving child,your hungry kid.
You're already doing it nowwith the Word of God.
Approach the Word of God muchin the same way.

Emeal Zwayne (32:48):
Amen, yeah Easy.

Ray Comfort (32:51):
First mention of the gospel.
Explain yourself, because a lotof people say, oh sorry, yeah,
yeah, First mention of thegospel.
Explain yourself because a lotof people say what was?

Emeal Zwayne (32:55):
that about yeah, yeah, well, again, this isn't
like a Hilda Dion type thing.

Ray Comfort (32:58):
But it's wonderful.

Emeal Zwayne (33:00):
Yeah, but it's something that I actually.
I heard a preacher touch onthat once and I thought there's
no way this can be.
So I went myself and looked upthe meaning of each word in the
original and I was blown away.
So it's a genealogy in Genesis5, begins with Adam and it ends
with Noah, and Adam means man,noah means comfort, and then

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with each name there's a meaning.
I mean, back then namesactually had meanings, unlike
today.
We like the way they sound, butthey had meanings.
So when you put it all together, this is what it says man,
beginning with Adam, isappointed mortal sorrow, but the
blessed God shall come downteaching that his death shall

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bring the despairing, and thenends with Noah comfort.

Ray Comfort (33:47):
And so I mean it's mind-blowing.

Emeal Zwayne (33:50):
Again, maybe I need to look at it deeper.
We're not into hidden messagesin the Bible and stuff like that
, just a little disclaimer.
But it's interesting enough toexplore.
Yeah, and if you didn't follow.

Mark Spence (34:00):
That's just simply the etymology of each name.

Emeal Zwayne (34:02):
Right, yeah, that you're following the names In
succession and order.
That's right.

Mark Spence (34:05):
From Adam to Noah Adam Seth, enosh, kenan Mahalel,
jared Enoch, methuselah, lamech, noah, following all those with
the name you come up with.

Oscar Navarro (34:14):
That I thought you were referring to Genesis
3.15, which is Proto-Evangelion,which is that someone will come
to crush the head of theserpent, which is known from a
theological perspective as thefirst sign of the gospel.
Yeah, true, that too.

Emeal Zwayne (34:27):
Proto-Evangelion Right, right, but yeah, we were
just talking about the name.

Ray Comfort (34:30):
Boy, that'd make a great little tract.

Emeal Zwayne (34:32):
Yeah, oh yeah, Ryan, oh yeah.
Ryan, it's down Tanya, watcharound.

Ray Comfort (34:48):
Oh, it's turned around.
What is this?
I hadn't seen that yet.
You don't know what that is.
I don't know what that is, Ihadn't seen it, but I my words,
do something for someone.
Turn my watch around.
I get reminded in a few minutes.
But what happens if you have to?

Oscar Navarro (34:58):
do it twice, do what twice.
Turn your watch around twice.

Emeal Zwayne (35:02):
You have two different ideas.
You need to get another watch,two watches.
Oh, I've got a watch from tootight.
I said, ray, you can getdifferent bands, I can't.
I'm a $10 Walmart watch.

Ray Comfort (35:18):
Yeah, it's $12.

Emeal Zwayne (35:20):
Oh, whoa Moving on up.

Ray Comfort (35:22):
Actually, I get them online now.
I don't repair the battery, Ijust get another watch.
It's so cheap, just get adrawer full of them.
So I got a question about thiswhole thing, see if this happens
to a can of worms.

Emeal Zwayne (35:33):
We are getting derailed today.
Go ahead.

Ray Comfort (35:39):
Are women more likely to be governed by
feelings than men?
It's a good question, see ya,because they are more emotional.

Emeal Zwayne (35:47):
We should have asked Rachel when we had her
here.

Ray Comfort (35:49):
They're more emotional.
They're more tender than men.

Emeal Zwayne (35:52):
Yeah, look, I would say there's nothing wrong
with us acknowledging that thereare things that we may be more
susceptible toward because ofour makeup as men and women.
That's a part of you wearmakeup.

Oscar Navarro (36:04):
We need to isolate all of these little
statements, oh that's right, I'ma woman, I wear makeup.

Emeal Zwayne (36:10):
You know what?
You don't even have to do thatwith AI now.
It could take your voice andmake you say all kinds of things
.

Ray Comfort (36:16):
I would say, probably as a general consensus
and a general truth, that yeahwomen may be more susceptible to
be moved by men, but they canbe more empathetic than men.

Oscar Navarro (36:27):
Absolutely, there's a good side to it.
Right, Let me look at this froma cultural perspective and I'm
kind of live processing thequestion, which I would say that
I would say that we probablyhave a perception of emotions in
which we think well, that is anemotional behavior, when we
don't realize that all of us arebeing governed by some emotion
at some point in time.

(36:48):
And I would also say that, likeculturally speaking, if you
look at the way men, for example, pursued emotional expression
in the Old Testament, they wereway more expressive than women.
The psalmists are written bymen, mostly all men and so I

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would say that we probablyperceive the emotions of women
greater than we perceive our ownemotions, Because I think that
men are pretty emotional,Although side note, this is kind
of funny.
I was gonna say this earlierthat when I first got married,
my wife used to be like man, youdon't have feelings, and I go.
What do you mean?
I feel hungry, I feel tired.

Emeal Zwayne (37:30):
I feel bored.
Yeah, I mean, I think that,based on again, how we're
designed and what God made womenfor, I would say I mean and
again it's hard to reallypinpoint it exactly and to
articulate it but I think thatobviously men and women both

(37:51):
feel, of course we do.
That's the whole point andthat's what leads us, but I
would say that women's feelingsare probably more accentuated
than men's.
On on in, in specific areasespecially and again that's not
a bad thing Like immediatelysomeone talks about it's like oh
, what are you trying to say?
No, we're just saying thatwomen, you know, have a more

(38:11):
accentuated feelings andsometimes that can lead to more
negative things.
It doesn't have to but In apositive way, like their empathy
towards children.
Yeah, in those positive senses,absolutely, yeah, so so we like
women.

Oscar Navarro (38:27):
I like one of them basically Me too.

Emeal Zwayne (38:33):
Yeah.
So, mark, what do we say tobelievers right now who are
listening and they say I try tocontrol my feelings, I hear what
you're saying like, okay, truth, truth, truth.
But what do I do if they justkeep just coming up, like the TV
keeps coming back on?

Mark Spence (38:48):
Yeah, how do I deal with them?
Well, remember, scripture tellsus that the fruit of the Spirit
not the fruits of the Spirit,but the fruit of the Spirit is
for those that have memorized itlove, joy, peace, patience,
kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, Self-control.
Self-control right.
So self-control is one layer ofsomebody who is born again.
So if you're a Christian, youhave self-control.

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A lemon tree will never producean apple.
A lemon tree will never producean apple.
It's absolutely impossible.
And if you see a lemon treeproducing apples, throw it in
the trash because it's not.

Ray Comfort (39:18):
Well, actually you could sell it to Ray, yeah.

Mark Spence (39:21):
Craft it in.
So we are designed within ourbiblical DNA to produce a fruit
that is heavenward.
Our roots grow upward.
So when somebody says, well,listen, I have all the fruits of
the Spirit except forself-control.
Well, listen, I have all thefruits of the Spirit except for
self-control.
Well then you need to examineyour faith, to see if you're in
the faith.
Examine yourself, because youwill have self-control as a

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believer.
Sure you're going to grow andsure you're going to mature.
You're going to be sanctified.
You're going to change fromglory to glory as you learn,
precept upon precept.
However, there's not going tobe something that God's going to
withhold from you.
And in this area, you could saywell, I don't have the ability
to do what you're asking me todo, or I have only the ability
to do this thing over here,which might be sinful.

Emeal Zwayne (40:06):
That's simply not the case, yeah that's good, mark
, and I would say too.
To sum it up, I think this wordreally helps us when it comes
to feelings that are contrary totruth Ignore them.
Ignore them, don't feed them.
Don't allow them to have oxygento stay alive like a fire.
Don't feed them so that theycan continue to grow.

Mark Spence (40:28):
Not one peak, even Nope.
Or, as the dyslexic people say,not even one peak.

Ray Comfort (40:35):
So where's that?

Emeal Zwayne (40:35):
from oh boy, from my book Fight Like a man a
Biblical Battle for PersonalPurity, available now.
Yeah, wait, I was going to saysomething it's available.
It's available right now.
Yeah, people can get it now Forsale on Amazoncom, whoa.

Oscar Navarro (40:50):
And LivingWaterscom yes.

Emeal Zwayne (40:52):
What was?

Ray Comfort (40:53):
I going to say how to make your memory improve.

Emeal Zwayne (40:56):
Oh, ignore them, Don't feed them, don't give in
to them, ray.
Someone says I don't feel likesharing the gospel.

Ray Comfort (41:07):
Go.
I'm one of them.
I don't like sharing.

Mark Spence (41:13):
What Cognitive test ?

Ray Comfort (41:18):
Yeah, I really don't like feeling sharing the
gospel.
I've got a lazy boy recliner,I've got a nice big TV, I've got
a remote.
I feel like just staying here.
That's the feeling I get everyday.
But I don't go by feelings.
I go by the fact that peopleare going to hell and so I get
on my electric bike, put mysunglasses on my dog and go
there and come back feelingreally good.
We call it dragon feet,clicking heels, ministry.

(41:39):
And when you look at the bookof Acts, the disciples seem to
drag their feet when they'regoing to come back clicking the
heels, rejoicing.
And that's exactly what happensEvery time you go to share the
gospel.
It's going to be dragging yourfeet, negative feelings.
You come ragging your feet,negative feelings.
You come back rejoicing becauseyou've been obedient to the
Great Commission.

Emeal Zwayne (41:54):
Wow, and that's discipline.
I mean, oscar, that must beencouraging to people.
They just heard Ray Comforteveryone knows Ray's reputation
when it comes to evangelismsaying I don't feel like sharing
the gospel, I mean we can all,as a community of God's people,
say, hey, yeah, we understand,like fully, like really

(42:15):
understand, and I thinksometimes people get that sense
of like nah, no, but we reallymean it, like, yeah, you guys
see us preaching the gospel onthe streets.
You see us.
Sure, are there times whenmaybe there's some excitement in
it?
Yeah, that does happen, but alot of times we don't feel like
it and so hopefully that shouldbe an encouragement to people,
absolutely.

Oscar Navarro (42:33):
I mean, look to Jesus.
He didn't stand before thecross and go.
I'm feeling this right now,Right.

Emeal Zwayne (42:38):
Remember Jesus in Gethsemane, right Father, if
there's any way, this cup canpass from me.
So why did?

Oscar Navarro (42:44):
he do it For the joy set before him, knowing of
the fruit that would come fromhis obedience, not that
emotional moment.
And that is the same reason whywe share the gospel knowing the
fruit that's gonna come fromour obedience, the joy set
before us.
And I would just say one otherthing in regards to like those

(43:05):
feelings, like what do we dowith them, I would, as a
reminder, I said at the top ofthis episode your feelings are a
window to your own heart andJeremiah 17, 9 says the heart is
deceitful, above all things,and desperately sick.
Who could understand it?
So, ignore your feelings.
I would say, don't allow yourfeelings to dictate your actions

(43:28):
.
Rather, look at your feelingsas an opportunity to better
understand the condition of yourheart what area of my life am I
not submitting to the Lord?
And then look at that as anopportunity for repentance.
Amen.

Emeal Zwayne (43:42):
I mean, guys, seriously, are there not enough
examples in our lives where wedidn't feel like doing something
?
We did it, and then we can lookback and say I'm so glad, Ray,
I think of Mario, it's verylikely you didn't feel like
going out that day.

Ray Comfort (43:55):
I felt like driving past him on my bike.

Emeal Zwayne (43:57):
Oh really.

Ray Comfort (43:58):
Yes.

Mark Spence (43:58):
You remember exactly I actually went past him
.
What are we talking about?
Real quick Mario.

Ray Comfort (44:02):
There's a video out called Mario, which seems to
bring everyone to tears.
How many millions?
4.5 or something like that, andI was just a Sunday afternoon
and I go past this guy who'sstanding by a tree and the
immediate feeling I had was hewouldn't be interested in going
on camera because HuntingtonBeach 50 people will turn down
an invitation to come on camerabefore we get one.

(44:23):
When it's at the local college,it's about one in 20 will come
on.
And going through that areathat I go in, most people say no
, no, because I'm a strangerjust going past like I'm on
YouTube.
But he says yes and away wewent and I'm so glad.
It's a highlight and often whenI pray I say Lord, please give
me a Mario today.

Emeal Zwayne (44:42):
Yeah, yeah, mark, I think of the number of people.
I think what if you didn't feellike and you probably didn't
that day when you went toHuntington and you ended up
witnessing to those three youngladies that are in the what Is
it movie?

Mark Spence (44:54):
right, yeah, that's exactly right.
And before I forget, if youwant to watch the encounter that
Ray had with Mario, go to ourYouTube channel, living Waters,
and it's entitled.
He Didn't Care About God, butWas In Tears After Hearing this
4.4 million views.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
I don't know if you rememberthis, izzy, but when I went down

(45:18):
to huntington beach to getinterviews for our movie what is
it?
I was sitting in my car forabout 45 minutes talking myself
out of going and witnessing andsharing the gospel.
I went up and down the pier allthe way to the edge, probably
about three, three or four times.
I went back to my car, sat inmy car and then I sent texts out
to a bunch of different peoplesaying I do not feel like being

(45:39):
here today.
I don't want to, but I knowthis is where I need to be, and
I just dragged my feet forprobably two hours before I
actually went up and down.
And then I went underneath thepier and I saw these three girls
who were watching these guysplay volleyball, and then I went
up to them.
I asked them if they werewilling to come on camera and to
share their thoughts on a moraldilemma.
During the interview they foundout that it was about abortion,

(46:01):
but they wanted to go down bythe water, away from everybody,
so that they wouldn't be seenwith an old man.
That's really what they said tome.
And then, once I got theinterview of those three, people
Well, I'm glad I didn't meetthem.

Ray Comfort (46:12):
The interview of those three people Well I'm glad
.

Mark Spence (46:14):
I didn't meet them, that ancient man, that ancient
man.
And then when I got thatinterview, I did what Ray does
when he gets a good interviewyou get out of there as fast as
you possibly can before theychange their mind.

Emeal Zwayne (46:25):
Yeah, and what a beautiful encounter that was.
And again, all of us cantestify to that.
When I witnessed to Davin atHuntington Beach, it has like
over half a million views now.
That Jewish guy Again.
It was like yeah.
I didn't really feel like itthat day but, by God's grace, we
went down to Comic-Con and Iwas witnessing to people, and I

(46:49):
was witnessing to this one girland guy that were dressed up
like Ghostbusters and I'mwitnessing to them.
It was going well and then shejust like turned on me and just
got really nasty and accused meof stealing, like trying to
steal her stuff, because sheleft her bag on the ground and
then walked away.
And it's like you tried, whatare you talking about?
Did that get filmed?
So I was so discouraged, likeafter that I'm like'm like oh,

(47:11):
and I still had to keep goingand we're doing getting
encounters and tanny puttogether a video of it and it
went totally viral yeah we putit up what is it a week ago or
so days ago?
471 000 views right now and thenthe full video will be coming
out here pretty soon we're gonnado the full video, because
people are saying I want to seethe full video and so that's
good when something like thathappens.

Ray Comfort (47:32):
I happen to have a cameraman that comes to me every
Saturday at Huntington Beach,yale.

Emeal Zwayne (47:38):
Yale, he will prevail.
He's the one that we will helphe's trying to get me to slap
someone's face while I'mwitnessing to them so he can
film it Slap slap.

Oscar Navarro (47:45):
I was just thinking real quick of Pita I
was deathly afraid of preachingto that guy.
He looked like he wanted tobreak me in hand In Fiji, in
Fiji, but then I preached to himand everything that led after
that, including preaching to theladies.

Emeal Zwayne (47:58):
Yeah, this was a guy, and Oscar witnessed him.
He was in tears and he says Iwant to take you to my village
and we go to the village, and Iwant to take you to my chief
right, my chief, yeah, In thevillage.
And so we go and the chiefwasn't there.
His wife was.
She takes us to the chief'sparents' house.
We all sit on the ground and Ishare the gospel with the family
and the chief's wife starts tocry and she just was like we're

(48:20):
so blessed that you've come hereto share this news with us.

Ray Comfort (48:22):
So this is season 10 of the Way of the Most High.
Yeah, not out yet, that's right.

Oscar Navarro (48:25):
But it will be on livingwaterstv Full circle.

Emeal Zwayne (48:36):
So, friends there, this is something I wrote years
ago Do what you know is right,despite what you feel, what you
think and what the circumstancesare influencing you to do.
Do what is right.
And my other saying is dowhat's right.
Be at rest, because at the endof the day, that's all that we
can do.
Don't let your feelings ruleyou.
There are souls that God wantsto save.
There are people that he wantsto touch through you.

(48:58):
There are so many things thatyou can do for the glory of God
and his kingdom in this world.
If you just deny yourself, denyyour feelings, really take up
your cross, die to self, die toyour feelings and follow him,
and the Lord will do greatthings.

Ray Comfort (49:13):
How do you feel it went today?

Emeal Zwayne (49:16):
Wunderbar, Wunderbar.
All right, friends, there youhave it.
Thanks for joining us.
Don't forget, God doesn'tbelieve in atheists.
Prove that atheism doesn'texist.
And the Living Waters TV.
Just look for it.

Ray Comfort (49:32):
And the Living Waters the Bible Living Waters
Easy, Someone might be watchingthis on double speed.

Emeal Zwayne (49:35):
What about now?
All right, friends, there youhave it.
Don't forget Podcast atlivingwaterscom with all your
thoughts, one of the toppodcasts in the world.
Thank you, yeah, one of thosegood things.
Thank you for joining us,friends.
We'll see you here next time onthe Living Waters Podcast,
where we have no idea what wefeel.
Thank you.