Ep. 341 - How to Protect Your Kids From a Wicked World

Chad Williams joins Ray, E.Z., Mark, and Oscar to discuss how to protect children in an increasingly wicked world. The conversation begins with Chad’s powerful testimony. Though Chad completed Navy SEAL training, he was struck with a deep emptiness. Becoming a SEAL had been his life’s goal, but achieving it left him hollow. He realized no earthly accomplishment could satisfy the soul. It was through confrontation with Scripture that he began to understand the depth of human pride and sin. Only Christ can take away sin and cover His people with grace and mercy.

Chad shares how, from the moment of his salvation, he was a changed man. He immediately began proclaiming the gospel and eventually crossed paths with Ray, who encouraged him to try open air preaching. That initial step was difficult, but it launched Chad into a bold and public faith. The guys talk about a clip of Chad engaging a skeptic with clarity and conviction. Mark recalls a humorous but intense moment when someone tried to steal Chad’s ID during a preaching event—only for Chad to chase the man down and recover it. Chad's faith would soon lead him into another kind of battlefield: local politics.

Now a city councilman in Huntington Beach, Chad stepped into office after seeing how far the culture had shifted. Once elected, Chad focused on defending the defenseless, particularly children. He and the council took action after discovering sexually explicit books in the children’s section of the library. In response, they made plans to form a review board made up of community members to flag and relocate inappropriate materials; however, this initiative sparked backlash, with critics labeling it censorship and a book ban. One deeply disturbing organization sued the council over the committee’s formation.

This legal battle has reached a critical point. On June 10, there will be a vote on whether to preserve or dissolve the committee. The opposition is determined to shut down any effort that brings community accountability to public content. The guys along with Chad emphasize that this is not just a local issue—it is a spiritual battle with eternal stakes. If parents are not discipling their children, the world will. He reminds believers that discipleship is lived out daily. If sin isn’t named, it will be renamed and rebranded as progress. He urges listeners to pray, support, vote, give, and reach out to those in Huntington Beach. The time to act is now. Children are watching, and their future depends on how boldly this generation stands.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
If we're not discipling our kids, the world
is right.
The mold of the world, it'sbeen said, is hot and ready to
grab a hold of your child and tomold that child into the ways
of the world.
So we need to always be alert,always be on our guard and if we
can disciple our kids whilethey're young, well then they'll

(00:22):
be ready and discipled when itcomes up.
So we, as adults, we're tryingto have a voice in the midst of
books like this, but when thechild comes in, that voice is so
much more powerful in and ofitself For that child to come
before a student board or thecity council and to say
something like that, it goesviral.
Something like that goes viral.

(00:43):
So, we need to teach our kids tobe soldiers, to be warriors, at
a very young age, becausethey're going to be soldiers,
whether they like it or not,when they get older.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, in a chicken coop far far away, a wiry kiwi

(01:11):
with ADD is trying to kill rats.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
This friends is.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Rat Wars.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Starring Ray Comfort.
We have had a plague in our ratcoop, in our chicken coop, in
our chicken coop and Sue and Ihave been fighting for weeks.
It's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Ray, I cannot adequately express in words how
excited I am each night to get anew episode of Rat Wars, ray
has been sending me videos.
Ray, what in the world thedilemma is?
He's trying to stop these ratsand he keeps putting mesh up,
and they keep getting in everynight.
Yeah, so what we do is we waittill they get in the world.
The dilemma is he's trying tostop these rats and he keeps
putting mesh up, and they keepgetting in every night.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, so what we do is we wait until they get in the
chicken coop and then I run outthere with a flashlight and we
record where they left.
It's not where they entered,where they left and where they
left is the hole that we fillbecause you can't see them enter
.
They're so sort of subtle.
They come in slowly, quickly,so it reveals the, the exit.
So we're getting there.
It's been how long, you see,it's been weeks.

(02:06):
We've got a video coming outyeah of course of course do you
have a camera actually pointedon it or you just got a camera
in the coop yeah, no, camera inthe coop.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Nice coop cameras yeah, I just want to apologize
to john williams for thebutchering of his song that was
the most beautiful rendition sobad.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I thought you were making fun of bananas actually
Banana banana.
Yeah man, it's been crazy, Ray,and I'm kind of like your
general right.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Definitely.
I'm still out of the fronttroops and we're fighting the
enemy.
Yeah, they're dirty little rats.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I know.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Disease-ridden, nasty , sneaky they're, yeah, they're
dirty little rats I know diseaseridden nasty, sneaky they're
like demons creatures of thenight.
Wow, I didn't realize.
They love the darkness, hatethe light, and uh.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
So we're, we're dealing my last text to ray on
this was this morning.
I said yes, so you showed methe mesh you got.
I said that's what I want tosee.
Fight, soldier, fight valiantly, fight courageously, fight with
abandon, fight until thosedirty rats have crawled back
into the filthy, stinking holesfrom whence they came.
Seriously, it's like a war, itis that never ends.
But what I love, ray, is thefact that you haven't hurt

(03:13):
yourself.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Give it time.
No, no, easy's.
Got all the photos of mecovered in blood Because wine
eating is disgusting.
Well, one of the times I textedhim.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I didn't ask why did you?
I said how many times did youhurt yourself?
I think it was five.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
It was five.
I had five photos, did you?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
try duct taping the wire netting to the dirt,
Because I could see I'm justsaying I could see you doing
that.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
It's not a duck coop, it's a chicken coop.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well, friends, I know you heard a very different
voice on here.
We're going to tell you aboutwho that is with us here today a
special guest.
But first it's time for a cool,classy comment.
This is from Silver Nor Goldand it was a comment on our
YouTube channel.
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Last month, at one of mycustomers, I gave a Spanish
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She read it and was convictedin her heart and surrendered her

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life to the Lord.
She told me she started goingto Bible preaching church and is
on fire for the Lord.
She even started singing apraise song for me right there
in the kitchen, praising theLord.
I was in tears of joy and shehad a beautiful voice as well.
Like EZ's, all her familymembers are Christians and they
grew up in a Christian household, but she had never accepted
Jesus as her savior.

(04:28):
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said, her life has been changedfor eternity.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Praise the Lord, amen and amen.
Did she actually say like EZ?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
or did you?
No, I added that beautiful partshe should have.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
That would have ruined the whole email.

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So, anyhow, thank you .
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(05:22):
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Why are you laughing, ray?

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Because you're an idiot.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I resemble that statement.
All right, friends.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Actually, idiot was too strong a word, I know it was
too mellow, actually Strong guy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Strong guy, yes.
Friends, that voice you heardis familiar to many of you,
though not to all.
You may remember him from thelegendary days of On the Box.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Oh my goodness, Remember those days Whenever I
think of On the Box Chad, justcheesy green screen.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yes, same room.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
You can kind of like see a background going in and
out, yeah, and back then, thatwas so many years ago, it was
like 12, 13.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
That's what you said.
We'll cut across to Chad, andChad was next door like three
feet from us.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, it looked like he was somewhere in a bunker or
something.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Our 100th episode, we did a cake with 100 candles.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh, that's right.
You remember when?

Speaker 5 (06:26):
we set the building on fire.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's right.
Yeah, well, friends, that voiceis the voice of our really,
really dear friend, chadWilliams.
Those of you that know aboutChad, you know that he was a
Navy SEAL with elite militarytraining corporate keynote
speaker, author of Seal of Godand now newly a Huntington Beach

(06:50):
City Councilman.
That's right?

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Wow, never anticipated that one either.
Yeah, especially all those daysgoing down to the pier and
being there at the plaza.
Never imagined.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
So could you swing it so we get amplification back on
the pier.
I know somebody.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think we can do that, that's an easy change in
the municipal code.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Really, oh yeah, oh please, it's a weapon that goes
both ways.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, we could do that.
That'd be awesome.
I could see that happening.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, but, chad, we were talking before we started
and you were just talking aboutall the craziness you were into
in Huntington Beach back in theday.
And to think that you're a citycouncilman now, man, that's
yeah, the.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
BC days.
A lot of it's recorded in thebooks too, and I really
anticipated the opposition, asit were, weaponizing that book
against me, but I guess theymissed it Maybe they'll use it
next time around.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Wow.
Yeah, we were excited when weheard you were running and just
to see what the Lord did.
I mean, you guys have a prettyconservative city council.
Yeah, it's a 7-0 conservativecouncil, wow, so you've been
able to get a lot done.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I would say so.
We were just ranked in anational poll as the best-run
city in the entire state of.
California.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
No way Huntington Beach, seriously Huntington
Beach.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Actually in.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
California.
There's nothing to boast about.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
We're up there somewhere in the top 500 or so
for the nation.
Wow the bar's set pretty low inCalifornia.
Take it.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Favor from the Lord, though, man.
It's just great to see that andto see the testimony of a life
turned around for his glory, andI'm blown away.
I mean, you know, I think Rayhad encouraged you to write the
book, didn't he?
He sure did, and he gave me thetitle.
Yeah, and to think?
Now, chad, you're telling me200,000 copies of it.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Wow, that's awesome, man, that's crazy man, yeah,
yeah, I never imagined.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
I remember Ray coming into the office and I was in a
chair and he was really puttingit on me to write a book, write
a book.
And I'm like I don't want towrite a book.
I really don't, Ray.
And so when we were out inIsrael, at the shoreline of
Caesarea, where Paul was, it wasone of the first stops, I think
, that we made you said hey, Iwant to pray about you writing a
book and I'll leave you aloneafter this one, you know,

(09:03):
because he'd be coming to me alot.
I'm like, let's do it, let'spray, let's get this done.
Wow, Because I just wasn'tfeeling the fire to do it.
But it was shortly after thatprayer, by the time we're coming
home back to the States thatyou know, the spark was lit to
get it going.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Praise God, yeah, ray , I think of the number of
people you encourage to writebooks, right.
I mean, you know, from KirkCameron to Barbara Cameron, to
Chad to me I mean that's justtip of the iceberg, but so many
people and it's so refreshingonce you've done it.
It's hard in the process, butonce you're there and you think,

(09:38):
man, people are being impacted.
I may be sleeping, but theremay be someone around the world
that's reading my book, that'stouching their life.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's like having a baby.
It's got morning sickness,You've got your labor pains.
When you get a little babe inyour hand, it's wonderful yeah
it's a joy.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
And I remember Ray was telling me because I was
like it just seems like such adaunting task, like reading a
book's one thing, but writing abook like that's just so much.
And I remember I was drivingyou home one day and you're like
I don't want to overwhelm you,but a book's about 70,000 words,
and I'm like exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I don't want to write a book.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
And he goes no, but if you break it down just a
couple hundred words, a fewhundred words a day, you're done
by halfway through the year.
And he always got me to dothings by saying come on, navy
SEAL Nice.
And so he was like I'm writingI think it was like six or seven
books at that time likesimultaneously with two
different publishers and writinga script for Way of the Master,

(10:28):
season seven.
Yeah, he's like you got onebook in you.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I'm like, okay, that's how he got me to open air
preach too, by the way, that'sright, yeah, and what a joy to
see what the Lord did throughyour life, even in that chat.
I mean, we're talking about youjumping off the Huntington
Beach Pier, running from thecops to going back to that pier
and, open air, preaching anddoing evangelism.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's a high jump, by the way, I've looked down
there.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
I mean About 20 feet.
Have you ever seen what thesecliff jumpers do nowadays?
Yeah, it's crazy, it's child'splay to them, but you do that
feet first.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
By the way, I always did it feet first Fe.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, do seals actually do things like that,
like headfirst or?

Speaker 5 (11:04):
no, I can't think of a scenario you don't want to be
falling from that high.
The only scenario where you'refalling from that high is if
you're doing it's called a hookand climb up on a ship from a
small boat and you do not wantto be falling without water
because you're probably wearingclose to 100 pounds of gear,
you'll be sinking like a rock.
Yeah, crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So, chad, it's such a joy to have you back.
I think I mentioned Chad servedwith the ministry.
Obviously, we talked about Onthe Box and those days, and it's
been a joy to see the Lord takeyour life and give you a
spotlight.
Tell us a little bit about yourspeaking ministry.
Look, we're going to get intosomething important in a little
while here, but we just want tofamiliarize everyone with you
and just talk about what God hasdone in and through you.

(11:44):
We're going to talk about areally, really important issue
going on actually.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
That's right.
We're going to talk aboutsomething important.
Now let's do this.
This isn't important.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
But no, this is an action point because we want to
mobilize people to really getout there and vote, because this
is really important.
Yeah, but first of all, justbriefly, if you can just kind of
share your testimony with uswho were you before Christ?
Tell us about what happenedwith the Navy SEALs, and then
your book and on from there.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah.
So getting into the SEAL teams,or just prior to being a SEAL,
I was mentored by anextraordinary Navy SEAL by the
name of Scott Halvenston.
This guy holds all kinds ofrecords.
He's a world championpanathlete.
He's the fastest Navy SEAL onthe SEAL training obstacle
course.
He was the youngest man to evermake it through SEAL training.
He graduated.
He was a SEAL by 17 years old.

(12:33):
This is a guy that was broughtup with a rough childhood.
He grew up in over 21 differentfoster homes, so the military
took him at a very early age.
He was also the only man tobeat the Beast on a TV program
called man vs Beast, where heraced a chimpanzee through an
obstacle course.
And of all places, he pullsahead of this monkey on the
monkey bars.
So you can imagine what it'slike for him to be training me

(12:56):
up.
And so I got trained up by himand he had to take an
opportunity to go overseas, ashe put it, to go overseas one
last time.
He was going to be going off toIraq and he's on a phone call
with me and I'm soon going to beleaving for boot camp, and over
the phone he just says I wantyou to know something I've never
told anyone I've ever trainedbefore.
He says I know you're going tomake it through SEAL training,

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and that meant the world to hearthat from my mentor, and it was
just a handful of days later.
I would actually see him strungupside down from the Euphrates
River Bridge on nationaltelevision, as this group of
insurgents had ambushed thevehicle that he was in along
with three other Americans, andthey were mutilating their
bodies and chanting in Arabic.
Fallujah is the graveyard ofAmericans and, pretty needless

(13:39):
to say, I'll never have thewords to describe what that
moment or the surroundingmoments were like.
It's one of those things thatradically changes you as a human
being, and part of it was.
I just felt like I was forged bythat adversity because I
remembered my mentor's wordsJunior, I know you're going to
make it through SEAL training.
I felt almost as though I haveto make it now to fulfill those

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words and I wanted to get some.
Get back, I want to get overthere and I want to go.
You know, go get people thatdid stuff like this to him.
So I go into SEAL training andthe numbers speak for themselves
in terms of how difficult it is.
I start with a class of 173guys by graduation day there's
only 13 of that original classnumber still standing around by

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far one of the happiest, mostfulfilling moments of my life.
I remember looking up thinkingScott, we did this.
I had his name written on theinside of my hat.
I'm getting this trident thatsays like hey, this is your new
identity.
You're a Navy SEAL.
I get put on SEAL Team 1.
And I really felt like fromthis point forward everything's
going to start going on thisupper trajectory.

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But what I wasn't ready for wasit probably took no more than
24 hours before I felt the windcoming out of that sail and
everything kind of circling adrain and going downhill from
that point forward.
And I couldn't wrap my mindaround why.
Because I just achieved what Ithought was like the ultimate
dream.
And it was years later.
Hearing a Christian philosophersay you know, one of the

(15:03):
loneliest moments a man willever experience is when he's
achieved that which he thoughtwould deliver the ultimate and
in the end it lets him down.
Really, what he's referring tois that human condition, the
whole point that there's nothingin this world that can really
satisfy.
I like CS Lewis's quote on thatwhere he says if I find within
myself nothing in which thisworld can satisfy.
Where he says, if I find withinmyself nothing in which this

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world can satisfy, the onlylogical explanation is that I'm
meant for another world.
Jesus puts it best where hesays what's it profit a man if
he gains the whole world but inthe end loses his soul?
So, looking back, really thatwas the issue I made.
Becoming a SEAL and an idol, itbecame the most important,
preeminent thing in my life.
That's what it occupied in myheart.
And God was somewhere down thelist.

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And, like Jesus says, you know,he's the Prince of Peace, and I
think that we could pull fromthe scriptures that if you don't
have any peace with yourcreator, you'll never experience
any peace while you're here onearth.
And so I had no peace as a SEALand I didn't know that Christ
was the answer.
Really, at that time I kind ofthought I knew God and I thought

(16:07):
I would call myself a Christian.
It was on my dog tag.
I'd be like oh yeah, I'm aChristian too.
But the reality was is there'snothing about my life at that
time.
If I was accused of being aChristian, there wouldn't be
much evidence to convict at thattime, and it was through that
process of being in the teams,though, I ended up being
confronted with the gospelmessage through 2 Kings 5.

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It's like Jesus says if youknew the scriptures, you would
know they testify of me.
It was an Old Testament textthat really opened my eyes to
the gospel, and it's that storyof Naaman in the Old Testament,
the commander, that had all thesuccess.
He sounds like he could havebeen a seal, had there been
seals during his time.
He's this warrior, except hehas leprosy and leprosy.

(16:49):
Well, jesus, looking back,specifically said nobody had
ever been healed of leprosyduring the time of Naaman, and
so it's terminal.
So on the outside he's got thissort of persona.
He's this Syrian commander.
He's getting into the VIP meetand greets.
Even the king wants to rubshoulders with Naaman.
He loves his company, but hehas this incurable leprosy and

(17:10):
he hears about this man of Godthat serves the God of Israel
that will heal him of hisleprosy.
And the unsung hero in thatstory is a little servant girl
that just spoke up.
And he goes and he gets toldbasically, go dip yourself in
the Jordan River seven times,and he feels completely offended
.
He's reasoning saying look, Igot better water where I'm from
in Damascus, why would I go dipmyself in this Jordan River?

(17:32):
And as he's leaving in thisrage, I think what people don't
realize, that they begin torealize, is that that leprosy is
really only a surface symptomof a much deeper issue that
Naaman has.
The deeper issue is that prideand every sin that we ever
commit is impregnated with pride.
We know that's how it allreally began.
It all started with this pride.

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What Naaman was going to needto do to be saved from this
condition, to be saved by theGod of Israel, was he was going
to have to humble himself.
And so when he made this changeof direction to do it kind of
compressing things here, butthat walk out into that water
was almost like the walk healways needed to do, a walk to
his own funeral where he's justhumbling himself like the

(18:16):
peeling away of that armor thatprobably needed to go, otherwise
he would sink like a rock.
I'm sure they were wearing somepretty heavy stuff back then.
It's almost like peeling awaythe pride, the ego that needed
to go and he's dipping himself.
These seven times we know it'sa number of completion in the
scriptures comes up that seventhtime and he has brand new skin,
like that of a baby.
This all gets related to.

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Naaman had this disease we couldcall it leprosy and we all have
a disease apart from God.
We could call SIN positive.
It's sin, and just like Naamancouldn't do anything to get the
leprosy off of himself, there'snothing that we can do to get
this sin off of ourselves.
But just as God provided asalvation, a solution for Naaman
, god provided a salvation forus.

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It's not dipping into the water.
What God did is he dipped hisson down into the world on that
rescue mission and he lives thisholy, perfect, sinless life.
And so here's Jesus.
You know, spiritually speaking,apart from God, we're all
spotted and blotted andblemished with sin.
But Jesus is holy and pure,unblemished.
And I remember what really hitthat night for me was this

(19:20):
picture that was brought outthat at the cross, jesus traded
skin with you and I.
He took our leprosy, as it were, our sin, upon himself so that
we could be lavished with God'sgrace and mercy, as though we
lived the perfect life thatJesus lived.
So he pays the penalty of oursin in full at the cross, dies

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but rises again, conquering sin,conquering death.
And then from that place, hedeclares because I live, you
also shall live.
I heard that March 14th 2007.
It just made sense, it clickedfor the first time I'd attended
church I don't know how manytimes before just checked out
and I couldn't believe.
It was almost like I relate itto just like a vapor in the air,

(20:01):
almost like when you seesomeone smoking a cigarette.
You can see the smoke comingyour way, but it hasn't hit your
nose yet.
It was like that night.
It was always right below mynose and it just it came in and
I realized, like this is thetruth.
I know how I need to respond.
I need to repent of my sin andI'm just going all in on Jesus.
The same way, I went all in onbeing a seal, like I am all in

(20:22):
on Jesus, and I experienced whatthe scriptures say.
You know, if any man be inChrist, he's a new creation.
I sensed it Like I'm a child ofGod, I'm forgiven of my sin.
And the next immediate thoughtlike in that night there was so
much was like, like Paul said,you know, when he was converted,
like Lord, what would you haveme do?
Like I understood that Jesusisn't just the Savior, like he's

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the Lord, and my concept ofthat is like he's like an
assault leader in the SEAL teams, like you tell me where you
want me to go, and so it washitting the ground running.
You know, as far as you knowsharing, and I run into Ray
along the way in HuntingtonBeach.
I don't know who.
This guy is standing up on abox out there, you know, sharing
the gospel, and at first Ithought I was being helpful by

(21:06):
stopping a heckler, because I'mlike let the man speak and I'm
stopping this guy.
And Ray, I think your firstwords ever to me is like please
leave him alone, sir.
He's my heckler.
I prayed for him, that'sexactly what he said you want
this.
Like I just kind of stepped back, like okay, and I was just
blown away to watch.
You know, really almost likeActs 17 play out, like Mars Hill

(21:28):
getting up, you know, in thepublic, you know spectrum and
sharing the gospel, and he hasthis crowd of hecklers and
people asking him questions andI'm feeling uneasy because I
don't know the answers to thosequestions, but I'm watching him
just volley right back with ananswer and so I just sat and
learned and watched how longafter you got saved, did you see
, ray?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Within weeks, weeks.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, and you now, you, I mean, you're at the pier,
cause you actually lived nearthe pier, right, right, right by
there, but that's the firsttime you'd ever seen him.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
The first time I'd ever seen Ray was from a
distance and I an evolutionist,because he had a big monkey next
to him.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Oh, that was you.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
It would have been Mark at some point, because he
used to dress like Link Six footsix gorilla that we had yeah my
wife girlfriend.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
at the time she was working at Jack's and she had a
lunch break and I got someSubway and we're sitting there
at the steps and I see youstanding over there, this big
monkey thing, and I'm likewhat's the deal with that guy?
You?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
know.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
And then, I became a Christian and then I thought I'm
gonna go talk to thatevolutionist.
So I go.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I see it from a distance I'm walking up.
Oh, so you're on a mission toset Ray straight?
Yeah, and then.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm just like so disoriented because I realized
like no, he's the Christian andthese other ones are the you
know, the ones that don'tbelieve, and so then I'm like
I'm going to help him, I'm goingto shut these people up.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I'll be his muscle.
You went into seal mode, ohyeah.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah so.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Ray, I'd love to hear from your perspective, like as
you started to get to know Chad,like what was going on through
your mind you already was a NavySEAL.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
I just absolutely loved him because Chad is
enthusiasm incarnate and youtold me that first time you open
air, preached was more scarythan jumping out of a plane.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
You got me to do it because you asked me have I ever
jumped before?
And I was actually in jumptraining.
At that time I was like, ohyeah, and he goes.
Well, I hear that taking thatfirst step out of the plane is a
lot like taking that first steponto the box.
And my pride at that time waslike, oh no, I don't know about
that.
And at that time, like oh no, Idon't know about that.

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And he goes oh, you don't thinkso, navy seal, why don't you do
it?
And I never thought I'd be openair preaching and I'm like,
okay, it was terrifying yeah,absolutely terrifying and it was
terrible too, it's on video.
When I used to work in the likethe do the editing, I found the
old cassette and I recognizedthe day because I'm like, oh
yeah, it was a car show day.
That's the day I did that firstopen air.
The way I remembered it is itwent really well because a lot
of people came up to meafterwards to encourage me and I
thought to myself I'll do itagain then.

(23:54):
And then I go back and I watchit, and this is like years later
I found the old cassette.
I'm watching it.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I was like oh, that was terrible.
That's when you say thatbecause we have that clip.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I want that footage.
I'd love to see it, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, chad, it's amazing, though, like for those
that are listening, by way ofencouragement, you know, we take
that first step, we fumble ourway through it.
It's that release of thatadrenaline, you know, especially
when you've been thinking aboutdoing it for a while.
But I know there's this onevideo that we have.
I don't know if it was ours orif you put it up, but it was you
talking to this guy who waslike a philosophy dude and he

(24:32):
was like going back and forthwith you but to see, like how
the Lord used you to reallysilence him with truth.
I mean, the guy started.
I mean he was a sharp guy, veryintelligent, but you started
hitting him with.
I remember you've given theanalogy about the wallet.
It's either on the ground orit's not right, you remember
that guy.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
I sure do.
It was right after I read JasonLau's book the Ultimate Proof
of God's Existence, which waslike my introduction to
presuppositional apologetics,and it blew my mind because I
was always kind of going theroute of, like, you know,
evidential presenting, like theorigin of the universe or the
argument for, you know, god'sexistence from morality, and I'd
never really seen this argumentbefore like presuppositional

(25:12):
apologetics, what's this?
And then getting introduced tolike Greg Bonson, and next thing
, you know, there's anopportunity out there on the
streets, you know, at the pier,there's always opportunities to
kind of engage with a guy backand forth.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
And so yeah that was like baby presuppositional
apologetic stuff right there,yeah, but man, you really were.
It sounded like, because Ithink, if I recall, you had just
gotten yeah, you just gotten ahold of the use of presupp, but
you were wielding it witheffectiveness, you know, because
it's not complex.
You know, and, but yet it's.
It's so effective yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I just want to say something about Chad.
Chad, you're the most excitingphotographer cameraman I've ever
seen in my life.
You run around like a maniacwith a camera in hand, getting
all sorts of angles and shots upfrom the wall, and some of our
best footage that we've got isbecause of what you did,
especially with 180.
Remember that guy?
Yeah, it was a Nazi guy and youfilmed it from a distance and I

(26:07):
was did you mic me up or yourdad was mic'd?

Speaker 5 (26:09):
up.
I think we mic'd my dad up.
Yeah, you mic'd your dad up.
We've got amazing footage there.
Yeah, that guy was gnarly hewas awful.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Mark, you have a little story and Chad, I'm like
I'm not open air preaching here.
People are openly drinking andgoing around, it's just it's a
bad environment.
Next thing I know I look overat Chad Chad's open air
preaching and Chad talks abouthow he was a Navy SEAL and the
guy next to me goes man, he wasno Navy SEAL.
So I went over to Chad whileChad's open air preaching I said
hey, chad, give me your ID fora second.
Well, chad gives me his ID.
I go over and I go look, theguy looks at it and he takes his

(26:45):
camera phone.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I thought Mark was giving me a water.
He asked for my wallet and Iwas very parched.
I'm like how kind of him he'sgoing to give me a water with my
own money.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
You know I need that.
So the guy went to to take apicture of Chad's ID and I'm
thinking this isn't good.
I don't know what this means,but you don't want to have a
picture of some guy's Navy SEALID.
So the guy goes to take apicture of it and I go, no, no,
no, no, don't do that, don't dothat.
Next thing, I know the guy'sfighting with me to do it and

(27:19):
Chad, there's tons of peoplebetween Chad and I and I don't
came out of nowhere, got the guyin a rear naked chokehold and
started running with the guylike 15 feet behind.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Didn't he grab the ID or no?
He had the ID in his hand.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
And he was trying to destroy it.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yeah, because I had him in that chokehold and I was
just telling him to drop it, letgo, and then he had his buddies
running up too, you know, andthis is a beer fest, know so
it's like just yeah, so westarted by I didn't even want to
be there I didn't even want tobe there.
I went to be protection for theother guys and I'm like we're
here now.

(27:53):
You guys wanted to do it, so doit, open air.
And nobody wanted to step up toopen air.
So I'm like, fine, I'll do itthen, you know.
And so I just thought it's abad idea to be here.
Yeah, yeah, next, you know,choking the guy out got him in
the seal mode?

Speaker 4 (28:05):
yeah, didn't we film that, didn't?
We have footage?

Speaker 5 (28:07):
there's a snap, yeah there.
You were gonna put it in anewsletter and then you didn't
because you were advised not toat the time.
If you guys want to resurfacethat, I'm fine with that we
gotta find that but yeah, it wasit turned into.
It's kind of like a fight at abeer fest.
There's a big circle of peopleand I'm in the middle, I'm
choking this guy, he's got hisfriends right there.
He drops the ID, I grab it, andthen some guy there was a

(28:30):
moment where there's thisquietness One random dude I
remember.
He goes, yeah, choking peopleout for Jesus.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I'm like I got to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
So I ran.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I didn't want to stick around for the cops.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Ray, it was probably good we didn't have Chad with us
in Jerusalem when we were aboutto get killed.
Oh man, we probably attackedeveryone.
But wow, Chad, that's amazingman.
Look, let's try to hit someother things later, because I
want to get to this reallyimportant issue.
So we talked about how you're acity councilman in Huntington
Beach.
First, just tell us, man, howdid that happen?

(29:05):
Like, politics.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
So much interesting stuff seems to happen at Pierre
Plaza.
I was down there with my kidsand this is at a time when you
know you have the American flagand the pride flag flying at the
same time and I'm disappointed,to be honest, you know that
that's going on in my city,because I'm going to have to
explain things to my kids.

(29:27):
I don't really want to have toexplain you know what that
rainbow flag means.
And and at the same time therewas just substance abuse,
alcohol abuse, it's you know,5150, like the city just was not
the same anymore.
And I'm bringing my kids to apastime favorite place, thinking
it's a pastime favorite,realizing I'm actually bringing
them into danger.
One guy jumped up just in hisinsanities in the fourth

(29:48):
dimension, screaming in my facein front of my son and my son's
going.
Daddy, is this man going tofight you?
And I'm just like what hashappened to Huntington Beach.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Is this the pier that you're talking about?

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Yeah, right there at the flagpole, yeah.
And so the words hit my head.
You know, all this required forevil to triumph, for good men
to stand back and do nothing,and I got angry.
I thought somebody should dosomething about this and it
didn't take very long for theLord to redirect that right on
me.
It was like the crosshairs wentright on me, like you think.
So why don't you do somethingabout it?

(30:21):
And I tried to get it out of myhead.
I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Like right in the book, yeah,right.
And then my pastor, pastor JoePettick, at Calvary Chapel of
the Harbor.
He calls me up and he wants totalk about something, but he
didn't want to bring up what itwas on the phone.
And I'm like man, this must bepretty serious.
Now I'm running the collegekids, you know, let's find out.

(30:42):
We get there.
It's a pretty tight knit grouponce you get inside the office
and he wanted to like get awayfrom everybody else and talk
privately.
I'm like, oh man, like what isthis going to be?
And so we go into a little roomand he's like about to say it,
and one person came walking inand he like stopped himself and
he like waited for them to leave.
I'm like, wow, what is thisgoing to be about them to leave?

(31:03):
I'm like, wow, what is thisgoing to be about?
And he goes.
I want to pray with you becauseI think that you should run for
city council.
And I'm like, why are yousaying that?
He's like what do you mean?
I'm like, who put you up tothat?
And like you wouldn't believe,like, what just happened, you
know with me and the kids howlong after that?
Oh, a couple of days.
Oh man, that's crazy.

(31:28):
And so I thought of thatscripture by the witness, or two
or more things shall beestablished.
I was like, let's let's prayabout it.
And we prayed about it and itwas like, from that point
forward, everything began toalign and ran for city council
and ended up getting the mostvotes ever in the history of the
city.
What and I'm just trying tofigure out what's like the real
why here, because I know thatI'm not on city council for land
use and land zoning asimportant as that stuff is.
There's definitely a God reasonto all of this, and I really do

(31:51):
believe for such a time as this.
What we're experiencing inHuntington Beach right now is
one of those big reasons, and soit's so important for us.
Just as adults, as people madein the image of God, we're
supposed to be defenders ofdefenseless and the most
vulnerable and the most innocentin our society are our children
.
And right now, in our publiclibrary, like public, tax

(32:11):
dollars are being spent toprovide very harmful content in
a children's section or asection where minors can get
access to books that literallyare cataloged as sex
instructions for children.
And in these books, in thisparticular one, this book called
let's Talk About it soundsinnocent, you know on the
surface it actually.

(32:32):
It has very graphic picturesyou cannot show.
In fact, one of the councilmembers posted a blurred version
of it, so you can't really tellwhat's going on.
Facebook took it down andcalled it sex, and they called
it child sexual exploitation.
Wow, yet in the library theycall it education.
In this particular book, itinstructs kids to watch porn,

(32:53):
figure out who their favoriteporn stars are and then go pay
for their porn.
No, no, this is and this isjust one of many books.
This is a book in the publiclibrary, in the public library,
available to children, catalogedas sex instructions for
children.
That's demonic, man.
So what our city council haddone is it passed legislation
that would put in place a boardof 21 parents and guardians,

(33:16):
community members it could bedoctors, engineers, whatever and
this board would operate as asafeguard so that whenever
there's one of these books thatwas flagged as potentially
inappropriate, the power was inthe hands of the people.
They would decide if this bookshould just simply be moved into
a more appropriate section.
So we're not even talking aboutremoving the book out of the

(33:36):
library, just move it into anappropriate section.
So that's what this Measure Ais all about is an attempt to
try and take that away.
Wow, so the city council passedlegislation to put the
safeguard in.
Measure A is an attempt tostrip away that parent guardian
board, and then this measure Bis an attempt to strip away the
power of the council, so that wewouldn't be able to do things

(33:58):
like that anymore.
So once they've locked out theparents, they've locked out the
council, they lock in the samebroken system and they continue
to provide this content for thekids.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Whoa.
So, Chad, let me ask you this,and I want you guys to jump in
on this the topic of thisepisode is how to protect your
kids from a wicked world, whatyou just described to me.
If it wasn't you telling methis, I would have a hard time
believing it.
Because how in the world havewe gotten to a place in our
society's history where adults?

(34:31):
Why do you need it?
I mean, we know why, but I'mjust kind of speaking crazy.
Why in the world would you needa city council?
Why would you need laws?
Where are the human beings tostand up and say what in the
world are we doing?
That book should be shredded topieces.
It makes me mad man.
So what's the justification forremoving this 21-person board?

(34:53):
How are they spinning it?

Speaker 5 (34:55):
The way they're trying to spin it is they're
saying that power is being takenaway from parents because we're
censoring, because that boardthey would call it a book
banning committee and so theysay that it's censorship.
Simultaneously, we're beingsued by the ACLU, which is the
same group that defended NAMBLA,and this is an organization
that literally means the NorthAmerican Man-Boy Love

(35:18):
Association.
This is a group that openlyadvocates for the removal of the
age of consent between an adultman and a boy, and so you have
that group, aclu, meddling in.
You know, our city businesssuing us, and what they want to
do is they want to try andremove the parents out of the
equation, and really this isjust right, in line with the
plans of the enemy of our soul.

(35:39):
You know this plays into thescriptures, in the days where
they will call you know goodevil, and they call evil good.
They say it's education.
You know they say that it'sgood for kids to be exposed to
things like this.
It's almost like you know thatshow how to catch a predator.
You know, when you ask themjustify this why is it okay?
Like one of these, and I couldmaybe read an excerpt it's

(36:05):
brutal.
It's a father that rapes one ofhis daughters in graphic detail
and how she's crying and sayingplease, daddy, no, please stop,
it hurts.
This is available to our youngones in the library.
Why would any child, why shouldthey be reading that?
Why would any adult be readingthat?
I think that whoever checksthat book out should probably be
cross-checked with Megan's Law.
Oh yeah, but this is what's inour library right now.

(36:26):
And so you ask them why wouldyou think that's okay for a kid?
And they say, well, it helpsthem and it could guide them.
That's exactly what thepredator says whenever you catch
them on the shows.
What were you doing?
Meeting up with this youngchild?
I was just trying to guide them.
I was just trying to help them.
And so it's like JosephGoebbels used to say, which was
Hitler's chief propagandist ifyou control the youth, you

(36:50):
control the future.
And so they're trying that book.
It's perfectly normal.
They want everyone to thinkit's perfectly normal, so they
can't get the adults and theylaugh and they brag about it.
I remember there was a gaychoir out of San Francisco that
literally sang like we might notbe able to change you, but
we'll convert your children.
And they said it happens bit bybit, and this is exactly what

(37:11):
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
One thread at a time.
I saw that video, man, and itwas so indicative of where we're
at.
You know, I'm reminded of Ilove what Chad said, that quote
about you know, good men doingnothing or staying silent, but
it reminds me of what we'vetalked about, of you putting

(37:32):
that blanket on the billboard,you know.
Or you, you know, holding upthe abortion pictures in New
Zealand when it wasn't popularto do so.
Just speak to those that don'tget involved for righteousness
sake.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Well, I want to say that I feel Chad's pain because
I had the same pain 35, 40 yearsago when I found out what
homosexuals wanted to do in ourcountry.
So I produced a Living Waterspaper and I looked at the
Scripture that says I havenothing to do with shameful
works of darkness, but ratherexpose them, for it's a shame to

(38:03):
even talk about them.
So I had this dilemma where Iwanted to say Christians, this
is really bad, but I couldn't betoo graphic and I couldn't show
how bad it was.
And that's the dilemma thatChad's got.
All he can do is use words, butone picture would horrify us to
what these people want to doChad, what's stopping Christians
just going in there andchecking out the books that are

(38:24):
bad and tossing them in theriver?

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Well, they're all checked out and it seems like a
lot of them haven't been gettingreturned.
But the librarians just ordermore.
But Chad.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Did you guys remove those books, that Council of 21?
I mean they're active right now, right, it's not active.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
It was just about to get the wheels off the ground
when this lawsuit from the ACLUhit.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So they stayed it.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Right, yeah, we're in the middle of pending
litigation.
Wow, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Mark, you know I want to get your perspective on this
because I said the word earlier, demonic.
I mean demonic in the sensethat you know, we know scripture
says he's the prince of thepower of the air, the spirit who
now works in the sons ofdisobedience.
Scripture also talks aboutthose that are saved, who are
doing His will before they'resaved.

(39:11):
Right?
Do you think this is along-term agenda?
Because, to get to this point Imean Chad mentioned the issue
of that song and what they'retrying to do with the youth Do
you see this as a Well, itdidn't happen overnight, right?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I mean little battles here and there.
I remember Kevin Lewis talkingabout how we can see something
happening over here and we putour attention here, but in
reality the enemy's trying tocreep up over here and all the
time and the attention is overhere.
But then you have the enemyover here trying to creep in
over here and to do a work overhere.
If we're not discipling ourkids, the world is right, the

(39:54):
mold of the world, it's beensaid, is hot and ready to grab a
hold of your child and to moldthat child into the ways of the
world.
So we need to always be alert,always be on our guard, and if
we can disciple our kids whilethey're young, well then they'll
be ready and discipled when itcomes up.
So we as adults, we're tryingto have a voice in the midst of

(40:16):
books like this, but when thechild comes in, that voice is so
much more powerful in and ofitself For that child to come
before a student board or thecity council and to say
something like that, it goesviral.
Something like that goes viral.
So, we need to teach our kids tobe soldiers, to be warriors, at
a very young age, becausethey're going to be soldiers,

(40:38):
whether they like it or not,when they get older.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
You know, oscar, we're so blessed to live in a
country where we can do whatChad is attempting to do.
You know, when I hearChristians talk about ah
politics, I don't get involvedin that.
It really makes me mad.
It's like wait a minute.
So you're a believer, you havethe mind of Christ, you're salt
and light in the world, you havediscernment to understand

(41:02):
what's good and evil and youhave the power that raised Jesus
from the dead dwelling in you,and you live in a nation that
the world envies.
Believers envy to think that Icould have a voice, I could vote
, I could champion righteouscauses, but we just kind of
don't do anything about it.
I'd love you to speak to that,like our call to get involved in
stuff like this.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, I think we can learn so much from the early
church in this situation andmany of the situations that we
face in our culture, becauseoften we think you talked about
the history of it and in manyways it's new to us.
It started during the FrenchRevolution, but it's not new to
history, and I know I've talkedabout this before.
But you look at early churchhistory, especially those first
two to 300 years.
The early church was birthed ina time in which culture was

(41:48):
antithetical to the gospel.
Nero himself, the Caesar of Rome, had a male lover who would
stand by his side, and thiswasn't shocking to everybody.
It was very common for men totake young boys as partners, and
no one thought twice of it.
It was considered almost likean ethical obligation.

(42:09):
And yet, to your point, theearly church didn't shy away.
They were weird.
They were persecuted for theirlove of scripture, for their
love of neighbor and for theirlove of truth, beauty and
goodness, and the way that theyengage themselves in culture
radically changed Rome.

(42:29):
At that time, we got the newsexual ethic that we are now
fighting for once again, and soI guess I'd say two things.
One, we absolutely need tospeak up.
Speak up with words, speak upwith action, speak up with
loving service.
But we also have an opportunityto be hopeful here, because
just as things seem to get thedarkest, that's when it seems

(42:53):
like God goes to work throughfaithful servants like yourself.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Amen, amen.
Well put, oscar.
And I often wonder.
Well, I don't have to wonder,actually, I know they would have
.
We do talk about the importanceof recognizing that the answer
is the gospel.
Right, that is the answer.
But we also have to rememberthat the early church, they were
under tyranny.
I mean, the early Jewishbelievers were under tyranny.
They didn't have the libertieswe have today.

(43:19):
If they had them, of coursethey would have used them for
the glory of God and influencesociety.
Of course they would have usedthem for the glory of God and to
influence society.
But, chad, you know, I heardrecently this congressman.
There was a hearing going on.
I think it was a Senate hearing, and the chairman was

(43:40):
introducing a transgendercouncil member, or yeah,
whatever.
And he said Mr, he referred tohim as Mr, even though this
guy's transgender, and it was acongressional hearing.
That's what I was looking for.
And one of the othercongressmen looked at the
chairman and said sir, have youno decency?

(44:02):
Sir, have you no decency?
And I thought, man, what atwisted world we're living in.
You have this man dressed likea woman, wanting to force
everyone to make believe withthem, and the one who's called
indecent is the one who'swalking in reality.
That's what's happened, right?
Good evil, evil, evil good.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
It's like immorality has become a normality and it
seems like that's the downfallof civilizations.
If you go back to the flood andin the days of Noah, going
forward to Sodom and Gomorrah,even visiting like Pompeii I
went there for my honeymoon withAubrey it's like amazing to see
like what was left, and thenyou discover just how perverted
that culture was.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
What happened to Niagara Falls for a hundred
years, it's no wonder thoughthat Malvasivius their 10-year
anniversary, they went toVietnam.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah, they got erupted on.
The only wonder is, why hasn'tGod erupted His judgment on us?
We say may God bless America.
In God we trust, and thisimmorality has really become a
normality and we do have aresponsibility to speak up.
Early church, even all the wayback into the book of Acts, it's
like men might say one thingought we obey men or God?

(45:16):
You know, as Paul says inGalatians, like, am I seeking
for man's approval?
No, if I was doing that, Iwouldn't be doing what I'm doing
right now.
He's only concerned with theapproval of God and being salt
and light, the way that Jesuscommanded us to do.
So he also.
It was like a precursor.
We are to understand what camefirst in those Beatitudes, like

(45:37):
what it means to be a discipleof the kingdom it leads up to.
Blessed are those you know whoare persecuted for righteousness
sake, and he re-emphasizes that.
Blessed are you when theyrevile and persecute you and say
all kinds of evil against youfalsely.
For my sake, rejoice and beexceedingly glad, for great is
your reward in heaven.
For so they persecuted theprophets who are before you.
So you look at the legacy ofthose who have gone before you

(46:00):
to sort of study, that resolvethat you have as you go into it
now.
And then he says you are thesalt of the earth and in being a
preservative, I think that wehave to be careful not to look
out for that self-preservation.
And that's what Jesus wasreally at Like.
In Matthew 10, he says that adisciple is not above his
teacher, nor a servant above hismaster.

(46:20):
It's enough that a disciple belike his teacher, or servant
like his master.
If they have called the masterof the house Beelzebub, they
called Jesus that.
How much more would they callthose of his own household?
And then he encourages us.
So we can't do it better thanhim.
They hated him, they're goingto hate us.
They want us to take that lightand put it under a basket.

(46:40):
Jesus says don't do that.
You take that light, you put iton top of the lampstand.
It gives light and, like yousaid right Ephesians 5, 11, have
no fellowship with theunfruitful works of darkness,
rather what Expose them.
And when you expose it, theyhate you for it.
And that's what Jesus says inJohn 3, right, like the light
has come into the world.
But men love darkness ratherthan light because their deeds

(47:02):
are evil, for everyonepracticing evil hates that light
and doesn't come to the lightlest their deeds should be
exposed.
So those are the results thatwill happen and they are
happening and it's really it'seven in like their rule book
that they play by.
You know, whenever you begin toexpose that darkness, they want
to go attack the messengerrather than the actual message
itself and they get real nastywith it.

(47:23):
And that's kind of part of whatI've been dealing with in
huntington beach is, you know,rather than really focus on the
message, they just beenattacking me, my name, and even
giving my kids a hard time atschool.
Oh yeah, because they have sortof a framework that they utilize
.
This is how they got Tito Ortizto step down from council and
you know, move to Florida is.

(47:43):
They attacked him in hishousehold and they put the
pressure on him to the pointwhere he's like.
I asked him before running whatdid you not know back then that
you wish you knew now?
And it was the pressure thatwas going to be placed on the
family.
And so that's what they'redoing.
Even now.
They're spray painting my nameall over town saying protect HB
from Chad.
They say doth protest tooloudly.
They try and make me out to bea pervert because I'm obsessed

(48:06):
with the perverted books.
My daughter is gettingridiculed at school.
Your dad's the porn dad.
It's a mess.
But these are all attempts totry and get us to cower and back
down, and I think it's a greatopportunity for my kids to see
that we're gonna stand for thetruth and we're not gonna back
down, no matter what how?
old are your kids?
Now Nine and 12.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Wow, yeah, ray, there is something isn't there for
kids seeing their parents standup for righteousness and not
cower in the face of it.
I'd love you to speak toparents in that regard.
How do we demonstrate to ourkids that we can't bow to the
powers?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
that be yeah.
Don't let there be anyhypocrisy in your life.
Love righteousness.
Stand up for that which is good, because that's when kids will
really respect you as a parentwhen you stand up for
righteousness.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Mark, you've always spoken to discipleship not being
necessarily this formal thingyou do.
Let's read a book together,Speak to that.
I'd love you to repeat that.
What's discipleship look like?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
It's the rising up, it's the sitting down.
To repeat that, what'sdiscipleship?
Look like, yeah, it's therising up, it's the sitting down
, it's hey, I'm going to thegrocery store, you're coming
with me.
I'm going to this memorialservice, you're with me, I'm
going to Costco, you're with me.
We tend to think thatdiscipleship is hey, we're going
to go through a book togetherand that's important, but it's
watching your lifestyle.
We need to teach our children tospeak up against the lies, not
just coexist next to them.

(49:24):
Now you need to kind of pickand choose what lie you're going
to come up against.
When my kids entered intocollege, I said listen, not
everything is a battle to die on, but you need to study your
professor, this atheisticprofessor, study them and be a
student of them, and realizewhen is the best time to be able
to speak, when can I have avoice in the midst of all the

(49:45):
kids and all the people that arearound me?
If you don't name sin, they'llrename it progress, and this is
exactly what Chad's doing.
Right, we live in a societythat is calling.
Well, we are moving forward, Ourmorals are evolving, we are
progressing forward, but whenthere's no objective standard,
well then, what are youprogressing towards?

(50:05):
There is no right, there's nowrong, there's no good, there's
no bad, there's no sacred,there's no secular.
Things are just being made.
Decisions are just comingforward.
So when we have somebody likeChad who is standing up saying,
hey, I'm willing to stand upwhile you sit down, while you
sit in front of the television,while you go to the Little
League and do what you're goingto do and obviously there's
nothing wrong with all of thatbut Chad is 24 hours.

(50:27):
We just heard him say a fewminutes ago that he gets these
threats 24 hours a day, and notjust him, but his children.
Who needs prayer?
Chad needs prayer.
The city councilmen need prayer.
I haven't been down toHuntington Beach yet, but I know
this is Pride Month.
Is there a pride flag that'shanging up at the pier.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
No, there's not Not anymore.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, praise God, and we see it inside of our videos
that people are saying where isthis place where there is a
pride flag that is flying at theHuntington Beach Pier?
I was born in Huntington Beach.
That is my hometown, where Igrew up, and I can't be more
proud of you, Chad, and the workthat God is doing through you

(51:11):
and God is doing to you.
I'm just proud to call you myfriend Praise God.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You know, oscar, I'd love you to hit on this.
You know Chad mentioned how weneed to be careful that we don't
make self-preservation ourfocus, because that leads to
dangerous things.
But I'd like to look at anotherangle of that right, because
you've talked about this a lotthat selfishness in us that is
focused only on us.
We're not thinking aboutpreserving future generations.

(51:35):
So the other angle of the goodkind of preservation right In
that man we need to think aboutif we don't stand up now, our
children and future generationsare gonna suffer.
So how important is that tolike to think ahead and to live
for future generations?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Man, I wish people I should say like this I wonder
how different your life would beis if you lived thinking about
your children and grandchildrenlooking back at you.
You know what I mean.
Like I, there's a comedian thattalked about how, like he's got
this one photograph of hisgreat grandpa and it's a black
and white and a tuxedo and thenhe's like my great great

(52:15):
grandchildren would look backand see 10,000 pictures of all
the food I ate.
You know, like, just like howridiculous of a legacy is he
leaving for his own children?
And in many ways, we have thistremendous opportunity to leave
a legacy for our children.
And sure, maybe you don't havea podcast or a YouTube channel,
but your kids are watching andthat's the legacy you're leaving

(52:37):
.
You know shameful plug here Forthose who don't know Way of the
Master, season 10 is currentlyavailable on livingwonderstv.
My kids have been watching itlately.
Um, I didn't ask them to, Ijust came home and they're like
they're they're binging the show, you know, which is kind of
embarrassing for me.
I don't know why.
It's just weird seeing my kidswatch me on TV but uh, they
they're pausing it and talkingto each other.

(52:59):
That was so good when Ray saidthis, or when Easy and Mark and
all and I was just.
It was the first time that Isaw my kids see what we do
through their lens.
And we have that opportunity asparents.
When your kids are like standingnext to you and you're
proclaiming the gospel, they'relistening.

(53:21):
They're not just listening toyour words, they're listening to
your character, they'relistening to your passion.
When you're defending truth,they're listening.
They're not just listening toyour words, they're listening to
your character.
They're listening to yourpassion.
When you're defending truth,they're listening.
They're not just listening toyour words, you're listening to
your character.
That's the legacy we leave toour children.
When we live our lives, wedon't just live it for ourselves
.
We live it for those who arewatching us.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Amen, chad.
Let me just say, brother, mysoul is so stirred today, man,
I'm personally challenged, youknow, in this regard, because
you know we're doing what we'redoing and we're contributing the
way we're contributing.
But it's easy to just kind of,you know, get a blind spot to

(54:03):
certain areas where, like you,can be effective.
You know, get a blind spot tocertain areas where, like you,
can be effective.
The reason why I'm heartened byyour story is because there's
just a lot of hypocrisy outthere.
We hear that refrain all thetime.
What politician doesn't say, oh, I'm doing this for, you know,
for the people, for futuregenerations?
And you know, that's just.
That's a bunch of hooey right.
But I know that that's whyyou're doing it.

(54:25):
I know that you have a greatlife.
God is using you.
You're traveling, you'respeaking, you have a book that
sold hundreds of thousands ofcopies, you're in ministry.
You don't need to be a citycouncilman.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
I don't want to be, I know right, I don't.
It's the assignment.
But I'm ready for the Lord togive me new orders.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Oh, ted, for president.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Well, and you know.
But the thing is, the thingthat encourages me all the more,
and knowing your motive behindthis is because you spoke to
Ortiz and he told you that thatwas before you ran.
Right, this is what I went, andyou knew the pressure that was
coming.
So, man, I praise God for that.
But what has this done for you?
Like your daughter man coming.
So, man, I praise God for that.

(55:06):
But what has this done for you?
Like your daughter man, yourkids are being harassed Like
that is that's the last frontier, you know?
Has this made you steal your?

Speaker 5 (55:15):
resolve.
I mean, are you determined?
That's the hardest part for me,because I could take the
external hits all day long.
You know, and you can onlyimagine what it might be like.
You know if they start goingafter the family and, you know,
give my wife a hard time or thekids a hard time, and then, when
it's actually happening, Idon't want to give them, you
know, credit in any way and letthem think like, hey, we're
being super effective here.
At the end of the day, you knowwe're still here, we're forged

(55:36):
by that adversity, and so it isone of the things that's
stealing the resolve of thefamily, and so I'm thankful for
it.
You know God's allowing this tohappen, and sometimes you get a
bask in the sunlight, and othertimes that storm comes, you're
dashed upon the rocks.
It's you know really what youdo in those moments that
determines what type of a personyou are, and I know that the
family will be strengthened fromit.

(55:56):
And this is all just morepreparation, then for, like,
greater use in the future.
Every now and then you got togo through the pressure cooker,
you gotta hop into the furnace,and you know we're in the
furnace a little bit right now,but it doesn't last forever.
You know these, everything kindof comes in a season and we'll
come out strengthened and moreable to lift, you know, heavier
spiritual weights you know, inthe future We'd rather obey God

(56:19):
than man.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I think of you know, hannah and I, and, and Azariah
or Shadrach, meshach andAbednego.
They were about to be throwninto the furnace and they said
come what may, our God, whom weserve, is able.
They trusted in the power ofGod, but if not, would they
trust in the providence of God?
Because ultimately, they knewthe person of God, our God whom
we serve, and, brother.

(56:40):
That's encouraging.
So give us any more details youcan about this bill and what
people can do, not just thepeople that are listening, that
are in Huntington Beach, butthose in broader Orange County
and even those in other states.
Can they give?
So give us everything thatpeople need to know.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
The giving part is the practical part.
It's kind of like ammunition.
It's like bullets out there onthe battlefield and I'm out of
bullets and then I get restored,you know.
So we have to get the messageout in the mail.
That's how we get the messageout about what's going on,
because right now they're outthere lying saying that a vote
yes is to save children and toprotect parental rights.
That's literally the lie right,and so they have.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
And some of your friends have been fooled by that
.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
I have had conservative.
I've gone to doors, people atchurch come up the steps when
I'm greeting them and they say,chad, we're with you.
We're voting yes and I go no.
It's a no and they go what?
I saw this sign on the way in.
It said save our children andprotect parental rights.
I go no.
That's the lie.
And so it's like Mark Twainsays the lie is already halfway

(57:41):
around the world.
While the shoelaces is stillgetting, you're still getting
your shoelaces tied, and that'skind of where we're at.
They have all of this outsidehelp, outside money.
They're getting people to showup and vote the wrong way.
So the only way I could reallycorrect the message is either
speak to people, like I did onthose steps, but there's 200,000
people in Huntington Beach.
The other way to get ahold ofthem all is either through mail

(58:02):
or through text messaging.
So I'm doing both, but it'sexpensive.
It costs $25,000 just to do onemail piece to a targeted
audience.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
So that's where people can get.
What can they get?

Speaker 5 (58:14):
ProtectHBKidscom.
So ProtectHBKidscom, and theelection is.
It's all coming to a close here.
June 10th is going to be likethe day that decides it all.
The other really big thing, themost important thing of all, is
that God's people show up andvote.
It's going to be a very lowturnout, since it's a special
election.
This is the only thing on theballot, so most people won't

(58:35):
even bother to get involved.
Almost everyone listening orwatching right now knows
somebody in Huntington Beach,and so that's your part you can
do is reach out to that personyou know in Huntington Beach and
tell them how important it isyou get out and vote right now
and then to be praying as well,and the prayer.
Really that's the air supportin all of this, and it's a David

(58:56):
versus Goliath.
They really are a giant rightnow, but we know how God works.
The eyes of the Lord go to andfro throughout the whole earth
to show himself strong on behalfof those whose hearts are loyal
towards him.
So if we have a loyal, justchurch community internationally
praying for this, that Godwould have mercy on Huntington
Beach, that he would showhimself strong.

(59:16):
It will be a witness to theother side, because right now,
as terms of evidence goes, theodds are completely against us.
We are actually behind.
You can't count, but you cancount the ballot returns.
The folks that are on the leftthat are all for murdering
babies in the womb and so forth,and they're ahead on ballot
returns.
That's unheard of at this stage.
They're ahead All right.

(59:38):
So we're going to have to comefrom behind and launch ahead in
these final days and that's whyI'm so thankful that you guys
were willing to do this podcast.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
And we'll just see what the Lord will do it's like.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Jonathan says let's go after those uncircumcised
Philistines and let's see whatthe Lord will do.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, and let me say, Chad, to our friends listening,
this is urgent.
So we're moving this episode up.
This would have aired maybe ina couple months, but be in a
couple months, but we're makingthis air on June 5th and the
election is the 10th, that'sright.
So, friends, that means there'san urgency.
We have to get those dollars in.

(01:00:13):
I know there's some of youlistening that have means.
So Chad just said $25,000 forthe mailers.
Whether that's going to help toreplenish what they are
spending if they've gotten thatmoney in or not.
It's going to help them forfuture fights as well.
So, please get involved now.
This is a big way you can do it.
You can't.
You don't live in HuntingtonBeach, you're from another city
or state or country even, butyou can help in this way.

(01:00:35):
So, Chad, where can people sendfunds?
Is it that same website?
Yes, ProtectHBKidscom.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
There's a donate button on there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
And would it help for people to like come down to
Huntington Beach and knock ondoors with you guys.
That would be huge, it would.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
So just reach out on the website and if you're
interested in doing that,there's a way that you can write
a comment and in that form,just say hey, I'm interested in
knocking doors.
We still have one weekend andwe got one Monday left before
this is all over, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
All right, friend.
So look, no silliness today.
I want to leave this ringing inyour ears.
Website one more time ChadProtectHBKidscom.
Okay, so check that out.
And if you want to know moreabout Chad, check out Seal of
God.
You can find it, amazon,anywhere Chad.
Thanks for being with us,brother.
We're behind you 100% and we'reexcited about what store.
Love you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
So happy to be here, thank you.