May 27, 2025 • 11 mins
Christ consciousness is a growing New Age belief that presents Christ as a universal state of enlightenment rather than the incarnate Son of God. It redefines salvation as merely overcoming the illusion of separation from God, dismisses the reality of sin, and turns the crucifixion and resurrection into symbolic metaphors. This belief system offers self-realization and inner divinity, but it ultimately denies the power of the gospel and the need for a Savior. The guys point out that while it may sound spiritual and even appealing, it leads people away from the truth of scripture. They encourage believers to stay rooted in God’s Word, approach conversations with grace and clarity, and remember that those drawn to these teachings are often searching for real hope—something only Jesus can provide.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, friends.
Today we're dealing with whatis Christ consciousness?
I'm going to read something.
I came across this commentatorwho kind of gave some insight on
Christ consciousness.
I think he had some good thingsto say.
He said the Center for ChristConsciousness defines Christ
consciousness as the higheststate of intellectual
development and emotionalmaturity.
(00:21):
They go on to claim that Jesusachieved this higher state of
being.
No, achieved this higher stateof being in his human life and
was given this term, christbefore his name, as the
recognition of his achievementof his spiritual status.
I can't help but laugh.
This path is open to anyone,regardless of their religious
tradition, if and when he or sheis open to become a living
(00:45):
vessel of love and truth on theplanet and actively strives to
attain it.
Another site defines it thisway Christ consciousness is the
state of awareness of our truenature, our higher self and our
birthright as children of God.
So again, just yeah.
Basically, in a sense it's notnew, so to speak, it's a form of
(01:08):
Gnosticism in a sense.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Ultimately, what we're trying to show here is
that this direction leads youaway from the truth, not into
the truth.
I mean, I look at it like I tryto break it down in my notes
and different doctrinal beliefsand understandings, which is our
previous episode, and differentdoctrinal beliefs and
understandings, which is ourprevious episode.
And so just one example is thatsalvation is redefined here,
(01:33):
which is that sin is now just anillusion of a separation
between us and God.
And salvation is now escapingyour own personal ego and
realizing you're not separatebeings but part of a divine
consciousness.
And I think of the movie Avatar, where they plug into the great
tree and they're one with theworld.
That's that separation and thenreunion.
(01:56):
And the reality is thatscripture reminds us that sin is
not just a mistaken perceptionor an ego issue.
Sin is a real rebellion againsta holy and good God.
And salvation is not about youkilling your ego but about you
dying to yourself so that youwould be found in Christ, known
(02:17):
and loved by a true God, notjust some self-realized
consciousness.
The beauty of the gospel isit's not about you loving
yourself more, it's about yourealizing that you've rebelled
against a God who has steppedinto reality to save you,
because he loves you Amen.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
That's good.
Yeah, mark.
I think some will use what weoften reference on the podcast
Imago Dei as sort of thisjustification Well, we're made
in the image of God, so we areGod.
Speak to that.
How does that differ?
What does it mean to be made inthe image of God and yet that
doesn't make us?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
God.
Yeah, that's quite the swing ofthe pendulum, right?
You can't search for truth whenyou're comfortable in the
darkness and you reject thetruth.
You know all together.
Being created and made in theimage of God means we're
self-aware.
We're different than theanimals.
We have moral values that areattached to the decisions that
we make, that we care about theright and wrong.
(03:19):
Not just have these instincts.
Galatians 2.20,.
It says I've been crucifiedwith Christ.
It is no longer I who live, butChrist who lives in me.
You know we're talking aboutthis Christ consciousness and
where they are attempting tofind themselves.
But it is the antithesis ofwhat Scripture says, because
it's not about finding yourself.
(03:39):
It's about losing yourself anddenying yourself.
It's not about attaining to alevel that you may be higher
above everybody else and havingthis Gnostic thought.
I have this inside informationthat you don't.
We are gods and this is whatShirley MacLaine did.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's the name of the person I've been trying to
remember for the last 10 minutes.
You're welcome.
She's the goddess of the I amGod thing, right back from the
1960s, she started it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, there's a video of her on this precipice of
this, you know, beautiful viewoutside of, like the ocean or
something, and she says I am, Iam, you know, following those
same words, right the ego on me,I am, and there's only room for
one right, the I am of Jesus.
He is the bread of life, he isthe shepherd, he is the vine, he
(04:25):
is the way, the truth and thelife.
If you're confused, he's thetruth.
Are you depressed and suicidal?
He's the life.
He is everything, everything inone that we will ever need.
2 Corinthians, 11, 3 and 4shows how spiritual.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
this is when it comes to the New Age.
But I fear least somehow, asthe serpent deceived Eve by his
craftiness, so your minds may becorrupted from the simplicity
that's in Christ.
For if he who comes preachesanother Jesus whom we have not
preached, or if you receive adifferent spirit which you have
not received, or a differentgospel which you have not
accepted, you may well put upwith it.
(05:04):
And so it's a different spirit,it's a spiritual battle.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
New.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Age teachings preach a false Jesus.
It's not biblical.
In 1 Timothy 4, verse 1, itsays Now the Spirit speaks
expressly and in the lattertimes, some will depart from the
faith, giving heed to deceivingspirits and doctrines of demons
.
And that's really what it'sabout.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, and doctrines of demons.
That's so important tohighlight because the author of
those doctrines, the true headdemon.
He can disguise himself as anangel of light.
So it's not.
I mean.
Again, some of it can seem soappealing.
If you let go of yourconsciousness of the true Christ
and His Word, it's easy to belike oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But it's not offensive.
There's no sin, righteousnessor judgment about it.
It's really easy to get sweptup by these false doctrines.
Oscar alluded to it being likea river and I was thinking you
see so many people, especiallyon the Weather Channel, try and
make it through a river.
And I was thinking you see somany people, especially on the
Weather Channel, try and make itthrough a river in their car
and it's just up to the wheelsand suddenly they're swept away.
(06:10):
The whole family goes down theriver and there's powers
involved that we don't knowabout.
If you don't embrace the truthand you love a lie, you'll be
given a strong delusion.
Scripture says in Thessalonians.
And so what New Age does?
It denies that Jesus is uniqueas the Christ and the Savior.
It teaches that humans aredivine, contradicting Scripture.
It rejects salvation by grace,through faith, and replaces it
(06:32):
with self-enlightenment.
And that's the basis of it.
It's rooted in human pride.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
There's a bigger issue, a bigger problem here.
Or as MacArthur put it thegospel is not about making bad
men better, but making dead menalive.
So you seem to be doing better,but what are you going to do on
that day when every idle wordyou have spoken is going to be
made manifest?
Everything ever done indarkness is going to come out
(06:59):
inside the light, and this iswhy we go through those
commandments.
We get into this argument abouttheir philosophy, but why not
we just get down to thefoundation here, that you've
been weighed in the balances ofan eternal scale.
You've been found lacking, andyour only hope is found in Him
who is our hope, which is Jesus,the Messiah.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Often, when we hear people say something that's
wrong, we want to jump right inand be like well, how do you
know that's right or well, wheredo you get your information
from?
And we want to get like intodebate mode rather than trying
to find common ground to drawthem in to the truth, beauty and
goodness that's offered in thegospel.
And so one example of that ifyou're talking to somebody about
(07:42):
Christ, consciousness and etcetera, et cetera, to start
simply complimenting them, man,I can tell you care deeply about
spiritual things.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And then another example would be like I really
like your 14-inch blue mohawk.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Another way of doing it is like asking the question
of curiosity in regards to whatthey're searching for.
What is it like to feelseparated from what you call
Christ consciousness?
Because ultimately, what you'redoing is you're trying to
discover an aspect of their lifethat is searching for something
, and then from there you canpivot into the actual truth.
(08:19):
Ultimately, I can't help butwonder that so many people in
new age they sense their needfor something.
So many people in new age theysense their need for something.
They know they're sick andthey're looking for a cure.
They've just been sold snakeoil and we have the actual cure,
which is the gospel, and so,instead of going in hard and
(08:40):
fast and combative and tellingthem they're wrong, listen to
what they're looking for andprovide them the truth, beauty
and goodness offered through thegospel.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
In the book of Acts.
Somewhere it says we're groping.
I think it's Acts 17,.
Paul used the word groping inthe King James Version searching
for God like a blind man.
Yeah yes, just groping and thescripture you quoted before the
servant of the Lord must notstrive, but be gentle unto all
men.
We would treat a blind man withtremendous gentleness because
(09:11):
of his blindness.
If someone walked into thestudio and tripped over a chair,
I wouldn't say look, watchwhere you're going, buddy.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
After Mark stopped laughing, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I'd say to myself this guy cannot see, and
the Bible says except a man beborn again, he cannot see the
kingdom of God.
The God of this world hasblinded the minds of them that
believe not, and so that's whywe need to have gentleness,
because they cannot understandwhat we're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, and I just want to say, I think, on a closing
note, the importance for us asbelievers to live in true
consciousness of Christ.
Oh, I see what you did there.
You know what I'm saying thefact that what as a part of the
Great Commission?
And lo, I am with you always,that's for sure, people, even
unto the end of the age, andthat he will never leave us nor
(09:57):
forsake us.
Guys, we have to remember thatand then listen to this.
This is John Wesley.
His heart is ever lifted up toGod at all times and in all
places.
His heart is ever lifted up toGod at all times and in all
places.
In this he is never hindered,much less interrupted by any
person or thing.
In retirement or company, inleisure, business or
conversation.
His heart is ever with the Lord.
(10:19):
Whether he lie down or rise up,god is in all his thoughts.
He walks with God continually,having the loving eye of his
mind still fixed upon him andeverywhere seeing him.
That is invisible, ah, thatwherever we are, he is there.
So that's Christ consciousness.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's what I thought we're going to talk about.
Dan had to write to you and sayis this new age or what?
Which direction are we going?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, well, it's shining a light on error and
then ending with truth that thetrue consciousness of Jesus is
remembering we are not him, wewill never be him, but he is
with us, he loves us, heredeemed us and he made us his,
so go with that, friends.
Thank you for tuning in to thisweek's highlights from the
(11:05):
Living Waters podcast.
Friends, we value your time, sowe've created a bite-sized
version of our podcast forlisteners who want to get
equipped without the jokes andfellowship.
Be sure to check out the fullepisode every Thursday, where we
dive deeper into the topic.
Until then, you can watch thefull podcast episode available
now on livingwaterstv.
All right, friends.
Today we're dealing with whatis Christ consciousness?
I'm going to read something.
I came across this commentatorwho kind of gave some insight on
Christ consciousness.
I think he had some good thingsto say.
He said the Center for ChristConsciousness defines Christ
consciousness as the higheststate of intellectual
development and emotionalmaturity.
(00:21):
They go on to claim that Jesusachieved this higher state of
being.
No, achieved this higher stateof being in his human life and
was given this term, christbefore his name, as the
recognition of his achievementof his spiritual status.
I can't help but laugh.
This path is open to anyone,regardless of their religious
tradition, if and when he or sheis open to become a living
(00:45):
vessel of love and truth on theplanet and actively strives to
attain it.
Another site defines it thisway Christ consciousness is the
state of awareness of our truenature, our higher self and our
birthright as children of God.
So again, just yeah.
Basically, in a sense it's notnew, so to speak, it's a form of
(01:08):
Gnosticism in a sense.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Ultimately, what we're trying to show here is
that this direction leads youaway from the truth, not into
the truth.
I mean, I look at it like I tryto break it down in my notes
and different doctrinal beliefsand understandings, which is our
previous episode, and differentdoctrinal beliefs and
understandings, which is ourprevious episode.
And so just one example is thatsalvation is redefined here,
(01:33):
which is that sin is now just anillusion of a separation
between us and God.
And salvation is now escapingyour own personal ego and
realizing you're not separatebeings but part of a divine
consciousness.
And I think of the movie Avatar, where they plug into the great
tree and they're one with theworld.
That's that separation and thenreunion.
(01:56):
And the reality is thatscripture reminds us that sin is
not just a mistaken perceptionor an ego issue.
Sin is a real rebellion againsta holy and good God.
And salvation is not about youkilling your ego but about you
dying to yourself so that youwould be found in Christ, known
(02:17):
and loved by a true God, notjust some self-realized
consciousness.
The beauty of the gospel isit's not about you loving
yourself more, it's about yourealizing that you've rebelled
against a God who has steppedinto reality to save you,
because he loves you Amen.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
That's good.
Yeah, mark.
I think some will use what weoften reference on the podcast
Imago Dei as sort of thisjustification Well, we're made
in the image of God, so we areGod.
Speak to that.
How does that differ?
What does it mean to be made inthe image of God and yet that
doesn't make us?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
God.
Yeah, that's quite the swing ofthe pendulum, right?
You can't search for truth whenyou're comfortable in the
darkness and you reject thetruth.
You know all together.
Being created and made in theimage of God means we're
self-aware.
We're different than theanimals.
We have moral values that areattached to the decisions that
we make, that we care about theright and wrong.
(03:19):
Not just have these instincts.
Galatians 2.20,.
It says I've been crucifiedwith Christ.
It is no longer I who live, butChrist who lives in me.
You know we're talking aboutthis Christ consciousness and
where they are attempting tofind themselves.
But it is the antithesis ofwhat Scripture says, because
it's not about finding yourself.
(03:39):
It's about losing yourself anddenying yourself.
It's not about attaining to alevel that you may be higher
above everybody else and havingthis Gnostic thought.
I have this inside informationthat you don't.
We are gods and this is whatShirley MacLaine did.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's the name of the person I've been trying to
remember for the last 10 minutes.
You're welcome.
She's the goddess of the I amGod thing, right back from the
1960s, she started it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, there's a video of her on this precipice of
this, you know, beautiful viewoutside of, like the ocean or
something, and she says I am, Iam, you know, following those
same words, right the ego on me,I am, and there's only room for
one right, the I am of Jesus.
He is the bread of life, he isthe shepherd, he is the vine, he
(04:25):
is the way, the truth and thelife.
If you're confused, he's thetruth.
Are you depressed and suicidal?
He's the life.
He is everything, everything inone that we will ever need.
2 Corinthians, 11, 3 and 4shows how spiritual.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
this is when it comes to the New Age.
But I fear least somehow, asthe serpent deceived Eve by his
craftiness, so your minds may becorrupted from the simplicity
that's in Christ.
For if he who comes preachesanother Jesus whom we have not
preached, or if you receive adifferent spirit which you have
not received, or a differentgospel which you have not
accepted, you may well put upwith it.
(05:04):
And so it's a different spirit,it's a spiritual battle.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
New.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Age teachings preach a false Jesus.
It's not biblical.
In 1 Timothy 4, verse 1, itsays Now the Spirit speaks
expressly and in the lattertimes, some will depart from the
faith, giving heed to deceivingspirits and doctrines of demons
.
And that's really what it'sabout.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, and doctrines of demons.
That's so important tohighlight because the author of
those doctrines, the true headdemon.
He can disguise himself as anangel of light.
So it's not.
I mean.
Again, some of it can seem soappealing.
If you let go of yourconsciousness of the true Christ
and His Word, it's easy to belike oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But it's not offensive.
There's no sin, righteousnessor judgment about it.
It's really easy to get sweptup by these false doctrines.
Oscar alluded to it being likea river and I was thinking you
see so many people, especiallyon the Weather Channel, try and
make it through a river.
And I was thinking you see somany people, especially on the
Weather Channel, try and make itthrough a river in their car
and it's just up to the wheelsand suddenly they're swept away.
(06:10):
The whole family goes down theriver and there's powers
involved that we don't knowabout.
If you don't embrace the truthand you love a lie, you'll be
given a strong delusion.
Scripture says in Thessalonians.
And so what New Age does?
It denies that Jesus is uniqueas the Christ and the Savior.
It teaches that humans aredivine, contradicting Scripture.
It rejects salvation by grace,through faith, and replaces it
(06:32):
with self-enlightenment.
And that's the basis of it.
It's rooted in human pride.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
There's a bigger issue, a bigger problem here.
Or as MacArthur put it thegospel is not about making bad
men better, but making dead menalive.
So you seem to be doing better,but what are you going to do on
that day when every idle wordyou have spoken is going to be
made manifest?
Everything ever done indarkness is going to come out
(06:59):
inside the light, and this iswhy we go through those
commandments.
We get into this argument abouttheir philosophy, but why not
we just get down to thefoundation here, that you've
been weighed in the balances ofan eternal scale.
You've been found lacking, andyour only hope is found in Him
who is our hope, which is Jesus,the Messiah.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Often, when we hear people say something that's
wrong, we want to jump right inand be like well, how do you
know that's right or well, wheredo you get your information
from?
And we want to get like intodebate mode rather than trying
to find common ground to drawthem in to the truth, beauty and
goodness that's offered in thegospel.
And so one example of that ifyou're talking to somebody about
(07:42):
Christ, consciousness and etcetera, et cetera, to start
simply complimenting them, man,I can tell you care deeply about
spiritual things.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And then another example would be like I really
like your 14-inch blue mohawk.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Another way of doing it is like asking the question
of curiosity in regards to whatthey're searching for.
What is it like to feelseparated from what you call
Christ consciousness?
Because ultimately, what you'redoing is you're trying to
discover an aspect of their lifethat is searching for something
, and then from there you canpivot into the actual truth.
(08:19):
Ultimately, I can't help butwonder that so many people in
new age they sense their needfor something.
So many people in new age theysense their need for something.
They know they're sick andthey're looking for a cure.
They've just been sold snakeoil and we have the actual cure,
which is the gospel, and so,instead of going in hard and
(08:40):
fast and combative and tellingthem they're wrong, listen to
what they're looking for andprovide them the truth, beauty
and goodness offered through thegospel.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
In the book of Acts.
Somewhere it says we're groping.
I think it's Acts 17,.
Paul used the word groping inthe King James Version searching
for God like a blind man.
Yeah yes, just groping and thescripture you quoted before the
servant of the Lord must notstrive, but be gentle unto all
men.
We would treat a blind man withtremendous gentleness because
(09:11):
of his blindness.
If someone walked into thestudio and tripped over a chair,
I wouldn't say look, watchwhere you're going, buddy.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
After Mark stopped laughing, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I'd say to myself this guy cannot see, and
the Bible says except a man beborn again, he cannot see the
kingdom of God.
The God of this world hasblinded the minds of them that
believe not, and so that's whywe need to have gentleness,
because they cannot understandwhat we're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, and I just want to say, I think, on a closing
note, the importance for us asbelievers to live in true
consciousness of Christ.
Oh, I see what you did there.
You know what I'm saying thefact that what as a part of the
Great Commission?
And lo, I am with you always,that's for sure, people, even
unto the end of the age, andthat he will never leave us nor
(09:57):
forsake us.
Guys, we have to remember thatand then listen to this.
This is John Wesley.
His heart is ever lifted up toGod at all times and in all
places.
His heart is ever lifted up toGod at all times and in all
places.
In this he is never hindered,much less interrupted by any
person or thing.
In retirement or company, inleisure, business or
conversation.
His heart is ever with the Lord.
(10:19):
Whether he lie down or rise up,god is in all his thoughts.
He walks with God continually,having the loving eye of his
mind still fixed upon him andeverywhere seeing him.
That is invisible, ah, thatwherever we are, he is there.
So that's Christ consciousness.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
That's what I thought we're going to talk about.
Dan had to write to you and sayis this new age or what?
Which direction are we going?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, well, it's shining a light on error and
then ending with truth that thetrue consciousness of Jesus is
remembering we are not him, wewill never be him, but he is
with us, he loves us, heredeemed us and he made us his,
so go with that, friends.
Thank you for tuning in to thisweek's highlights from the
(11:05):
Living Waters podcast.
Friends, we value your time, sowe've created a bite-sized
version of our podcast forlisteners who want to get
equipped without the jokes andfellowship.
Be sure to check out the fullepisode every Thursday, where we
dive deeper into the topic.
Until then, you can watch thefull podcast episode available
now on livingwaterstv.
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