August 21, 2024 • 18 mins
Ever wondered how non-invasive treatments can revolutionize pain management and healing for foot and ankle conditions? Join Dr. Lauren Dabakaroff and Jeremy Wolf on the LMD Podiatry Podcast as they uncover the transformative power of MLS laser therapy. From understanding its unique dual-beam technology to exploring its FDA-approved applications for neuropathy, sprains, Achilles tendonitis, and plantar fasciitis, this episode promises a comprehensive look into a cutting-edge therapy that offers hope to patients who can't undergo surgery or take medications.
But that's not all—Dr. Lauren also shares her insights on the synergy between MLS laser therapy and shockwave therapy for treating stubborn Achilles tendon issues. Learn how combining these treatments can break up scar tissue, reduce pain, and enhance healing, all while emphasizing the significance of consistent sessions for cumulative benefits. With valuable tips on preventive care, self-care routines, and the latest medical advancements, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to take proactive steps towards healthier feet and ankles. Tune in for professional advice and community-focused insights that you won’t want to miss!
To learn more, visit: LMDpodiatry.com or contact (954) 680-7133
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the LMD Podiatry Podcast.
Trust us to get back on yourfeet.
Here's your host, Dr LaurenDeBakeroff.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello, hello everyone , and we are back for another
episode of the LMD PodiatryPodcast.
I'm your co-host, jeremy Wolf,of course, joined by your host,
dr Lauren Dabakaroff.
Dr Lauren, always a pleasure.
Always a pleasure, jeremy, loveto see you.
Yes, yes, we are getting closeto the end of the year, wrapping
up a wonderful, wonderful year,and today we are going to get
(00:38):
into a topic that, if I'm beinghonest, I know absolutely
nothing about.
So I've actually prepared somegood questions for a little Q&A
session.
I know absolutely nothing about, so I've actually prepared some
good questions for a little Q&Asession.
I know this is a procedure thatyou offer at your office, that
you wanted to kind of get outinto the community, and what it
is is MLS laser therapy, yes.
(00:58):
So why don't you start off byexplaining what it is in the
first place, right?
What is MLS laser therapy andkind of how it works?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Okay.
So the MLS laser it's a laserthat heals, right.
So the mechanism of action, theway it works, is that it's two.
It's the only FDA approvedlaser that has two beams, um,
that fight at the at that aim atthe same time.
And what the two beams at thesame time do is that it forces
(01:30):
your cells to generate moreenergy or more ATP, so that the
cell heals itself.
So it forces your cell to healitself by giving it more energy
and then the area heals on itsown.
It basically it almost givesyour body a boost to regenerate
(01:51):
the area.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You mentioned ATP.
For those of us that are, whatdoes that mean?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So each cell has mitochondria.
Mitochondria is where theenergy of the cell gets
generated, and the energy of thecell is in the form of ATP.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, so in essence, the laser therapy basically goes
in there and stimulates thosecells and creates the energy in
there for healing purposes,exactly, very cool.
So, like what makes LMS lasertherapy different from, I guess,
other types of treatments thatare typically used for these
issues of pituitary?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So it's, first of all , it's safe.
It's non-invasive.
There's no needles, there's noinjections.
You don't feel cold or heat.
You feel absolutely nothing, ifonly, if anything, anything.
You just feel better after.
Like, you start feeling sometingling after you're done, um,
and it takes, you know, a couplesessions to kick in, but the
(02:53):
the most, the main thing, it'snon-invasive.
There's no surgery required.
Um, you know, you have to think.
Um, sometimes there's elderlypatients that have debilitating
pain and they can't have surgery.
They can't get an injection,they can't take pills.
This is probably the only thingout there for them that's safe
(03:14):
and easy to use Well, easy forus to use on them and it really
does make a difference and itheals the area.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So now we have an idea of what it is and how it
differs from, you know, some ofthe other treatments out there.
What are some of the conditions, like the specific conditions
or injuries in the foot andankle specifically, that MLS
laser therapy is used for?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I use it for a variety of different things.
If someone has, for example,like, the number one thing I use
it for right now is neuropathy.
So neuropathy is anirreversible condition.
That's from it comes fromdiabetes or from back injuries
or things like that, andpatients have horrible nerve
pain.
And neuropathy is one of themain things I use it for,
(04:01):
because there's really notreatment for this and patients
feel better and don't have totake pills when they do this.
Mls laser therapy, because itactually helps regenerate tissue
in the area, regenerate thenerves and it helps lessen the
pain.
The other things I use it for Iuse it a lot for sprains, like
if someone has an ankle sprainor a joint sprain or some type
(04:24):
of foot sprain or leg sprain.
I focus the laser on the areaof the sprain and it gets your
body to heal it faster.
It makes your body lay down thefoundation for the ligament to
heal faster.
I also use it for Achilles,tendonitis, plantar fasciitis,
anything chronic.
It's really great for neuromas.
(04:45):
I also use it part of mypost-operative protocol, like if
someone has surgery, I havethem do six sessions right after
.
It helps a lot with the painand the swelling after surgery.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It seems like a really effective process.
Is this relatively new or hasthis been around for a while?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
No, this laser has been around for like many.
It's been around for decadesactually.
It's just, you know, noteverybody commits to buying it
for their office and having itavailable.
Um, it used to just be, like, Iknow, when it came out, like 20
, 30 years ago, it just used tobe like a wand and now it's
(05:26):
self-standing and you can justposition it and then the body.
You know, you mark a grid withthe laser and the laser goes by
the grid to.
You know, focus on the problemarea of the foot or the leg.
It's also used a lot inchiropractics and pain
management centers.
People use it on the back andon the shoulder and things like
that.
It's for every area of the body.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean it seems like a no brainer for somebody
that's having some of thesetypes of chronic issues.
Anytime there's a non-invasivetype procedure that could have
effects like that, it'scertainly worthwhile to check
out.
So, like, what is the patientto expect during a session?
I mean, it seems like I said itseems pretty straightforward,
but what does that look like fora patient that would come in?
(06:09):
Is it?
What's the first part?
I guess the second would belike how many treatments
typically before you see effect?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So it really depends, like for so what patient, the
treatment itself, depending onyou know the size of the area
we're treating, um, it can rangeanywhere between five minutes
and 20 minutes.
You know, just one session is,let's let's put an average of 15
minutes per session, um, andbasically they, we sit, they
(06:38):
come to the office, they sitdown, um, my assistant positions
them and then we focus thelaser to the problem areas and
they get their nice littleprotective eyewear and they sit
and they get the treatment.
That's kind of the protocol forthe office, like what actually
happens in real time.
But as far as length oftreatment, I would say that it
(06:59):
really depends.
I would say that it reallydepends.
Like, if someone has chronicarthritis right, if they have,
you know, really bad arthritisin their foot or their ankle,
they need, like usually theyneed like 12 sessions to start
with in the first six weeks andthen maintenance, okay, and then
if someone has a sprain, forexample, they need like about
(07:22):
you know, eight to ten sessions,something like that, back to
back, to just help the body healthe screen.
If someone has, like a smalllittle injury and they don't
want any pills, and I wantinjection, I do also about six
to eight sessions trying tothink what else.
I'm using it right now forsomeone with a chronic heel pain
(07:48):
, so they're doing 10 sessions.
So it really depends.
The lowest amount of sessionsis the six For someone who just
had surgery.
They do six sessions rightafter the surgery.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Now is this part of the treatment plan that you're
currently doing with my, mystepmother, nora, no no, I'm not
.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I'm not doing it for her actually.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh, okay, it just didn't fit into her, her
specific situation, yeah, soyeah for her specific issue,
it's she needed a differenttreatment.
Which is going rather well, Imight add.
Yes, she's very, very happy.
She keeps telling me I'm sohappy I met Dr Lauren.
She's great.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean she would probably benefit from the
laser as well.
Looking back, but I think thatshe needed a different treatment
to help her out with her issues, so it was more suitable for
her help her out with her issues, so it was more suitable for
her.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Are there any like risks or side effects associated
with this therapy, or is it?
Is it 100% completely benign inall cases?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So it's completely safe for all patients all ages
Um.
The only time it'scontraindicated is if the
patient has cancer or HIV.
So the reason is because youknow there aren't enough studies
to see like because basicallypatients with that have cancer
(09:15):
or have HIV.
Their cells are mutated so wedon't know what the laser would
do to the cells.
Got it?
No, when you stimulate themessentially.
So that's the only time it'snot.
And if you have any type ofbleeding disorder it's advised
not to do it.
That's the major systemic issue.
(09:35):
Contraindications Actually Iwas told that it's safe to even
do it for pregnant women, aslong as it's not by their uterus
.
If you do the foot or the armor the neck, it's completely
safe.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
How often do you use this in conjunction with other
treatment plans?
For instance, for the case ofmy stepmother, she was doing
something else when you feellike maybe this could also
benefit, or maybe,post-operoperative, is there
scenarios where you'll do asurgery on someone and for the I
guess for the healing process,you'll schedule a series of
treatments with the laser toultimately speed up the healing
(10:13):
process?
Yeah, you got enough.
You're having a party in there,huh?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
you're making noise on the camera, that's all good,
all good, all good.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
We roll messages here .
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So your question is how often do I use it in
conjunction, in conjunction withother treatments?
Yeah, okay.
So when it comes to a sprain,like if someone, I actually just
I was actually shocked andshocked myself.
I have someone who has anAchilles tear and so what I did
for him is I combined a stemcell injection together with a
(10:54):
laser therapy and within sixweeks, his gap without surgery,
his gap closed by 85%.
Wow, so that's prettyimpressive.
So I do it in conjunction withstem like.
If someone has a rupture or atear so I always like a bad one
I always combine a stem cell,like one or two stem cells,
together with the laser therapy.
(11:16):
That's something I do inconjunction with the other thing
the laser is also.
It's so versatile I even justwas reading that it's good for
fungus as well, so I can combinea topical fungal medication
together with the laser for thefungus.
The other thing I combine itwith is very rare do I do a
(11:42):
steroid injection with the laser, only if the situation is
really bad.
But yeah, that's the stem cellfor really bad injuries.
I will combine the stem cellwith the laser, and there is
actually the laser company put astudy out that it's actually
like it's very synergistictogether and it really does help
(12:03):
heal the area faster when youdo them together.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Very, very interesting.
Are there any specific factorsthat I'm sure there are that
you're considering when it comesto making these treatment plans
?
Obviously, if somebody has,like, a serious injury, they
need surgery.
But, for instance, like I keepgoing back to my stepmom because
it's familiar to me, she hasthese chronic issues.
She meets with you.
It's like what factors do youtake into consideration to
(12:27):
determine whether or not she's agood candidate for the laser
versus what you actually did forher Right?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So can I use your mom as a case why I didn't use a
laser, or no, we don't want to,okay, so so I'll have.
I'll give you two, twoscenarios.
So your mom, for example shehas her ultrasound confirmed
that her Achilles tendon isextremely thick and full of scar
(12:56):
tissue.
Ok, so in her case, shockwavetherapy I thought was better,
because we just need to break upa lot of the scar tissue and
not to say that the laserwouldn't help her.
It would help a lot with thepain and the inflammation
associated with it.
But to really get deep into thetendon and to wake it up and
(13:19):
heal the area and get it to likego back to a normal tendon, you
need more than just the laser.
And then in another situation Ihave a patient.
They had really bad Achillespain also, but again their
tendon was normal.
It's just that they're alwaysinflamed, they can't get a shot,
(13:39):
they don't want to take pillsanymore.
So this would be a great optionfor them.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So it helps a lot with pain and inflammation and
things like that.
Lastly, what's on the horizon?
What are some futureadvancements, things that are
upcoming in the field with lasertherapy, like when are we going
to have that laser where,whatever the ailment is, you
come in and you wave your magicwand and the issue is magically
resolved?
When is that coming?
Pull out the crystal ball.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I would have to say you know there's a lot of
machines out in the market andthere's like I keep seeing all
these ads for like StemWave andSoundWave and you know all of
them have very, you know,similar functions, but I don't
think there's anything out inthe market now that's going to
like immediately fix it.
(14:35):
You know, this is not theending scene of Click, where
they just kind of scan it andit's like I wish you were there.
Maybe with the new AI advances,maybe it can happen.
But you know I really like thislaser.
Let's just summarize that Ilove this laser because my
(14:59):
patients are like so happy andtheir pain is gone in just two
or three sessions.
They already feel thedifference.
Oh, the other thing isfantastic.
You have to do three in a row,like three in the first week,
because the laser does have acumulative effect, like, just
like an antibiotic has a loadingdose.
Like you take a Z-Pak, you taketwo on the first day, then one,
(15:21):
one, one, one.
It's the same thing with thelaser you have to take.
You have to do the first threesessions within the first week.
That way you're kind of joltingyourselves into waking up and
starting the healing process.
So it's just, you know, I'mstill like I'm researching it
myself, because we've only hadit for the past month or two and
(15:43):
I'm seeing amazing things withmy patients and everybody's
super, super happy, even theolder patients, you know, they
don't, they can't take anythingand they're doing the lasers.
They can't take anything andthey're doing the lasers and
they're walking and they'rehappy and they don't have pain
and they're taking less of theirpills for pain, pain
medications.
So it's a great choice in thosesituations and for people with,
(16:08):
you know, younger generationwith a regular foot and ankle
pain, it's just good to know andI feel calm to know that there
is something out there that isnot surgery and it's not
injections and it's not you knowplethora of other things that
you know, everybody else doesyou know.
(16:28):
It's just different.
You know and and I keep sayingyou know, I know you know, I
know, you know it works.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So, yeah, it's good to know.
I'm glad we did this.
I had no idea about any of this.
It's good to know there aretreatment plans like this
available and I ask, like tonguein cheek, when we're going to
have the magic laser that fixeseverything.
But that's not how this stuffworks right.
There's no magic bullet,there's no one thing.
It all goes back to we saidthis before taking care of
(16:59):
yourself right, Getting routinecheckups, eating right,
exercising, stretching all thethings that are difficult for
people to do because it's hard.
But just implementing thosedaily habits from a younger age
or from wherever you're at inlife, really just starting to do
those things slowly but surely,will generally eliminate a lot
of the problems that you'reultimately solving at the office
(17:21):
.
So you hear that everyone outthere Stay healthy, put a
routine in place, always getannual checkups.
If you ever have a problemyou're experiencing, any pain in
the feet, anything, reach outto Dr Lauren.
She's obviously a wonderfulresource.
She's an integral part of ourgreat community here doing
really great work.
So if you have any questionsany time, there's always a link
(17:44):
in the description to hercontact information so you could
reach her.
Thanks for tuning in and youknow we'll catch everyone next
time.
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You know we'll catch everyonenext time.
I just I just said you know to,you got your.
You know, all right, it wasalways, always a pleasure, Good
seeing you, and we will catcheveryone next time on the next
episode of the LMD podiatrypodcast.
(18:05):
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Welcome to the LMD Podiatry Podcast.
Trust us to get back on yourfeet.
Here's your host, Dr LaurenDeBakeroff.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello, hello everyone , and we are back for another
episode of the LMD PodiatryPodcast.
I'm your co-host, jeremy Wolf,of course, joined by your host,
dr Lauren Dabakaroff.
Dr Lauren, always a pleasure.
Always a pleasure, jeremy, loveto see you.
Yes, yes, we are getting closeto the end of the year, wrapping
up a wonderful, wonderful year,and today we are going to get
(00:38):
into a topic that, if I'm beinghonest, I know absolutely
nothing about.
So I've actually prepared somegood questions for a little Q&A
session.
I know absolutely nothing about, so I've actually prepared some
good questions for a little Q&Asession.
I know this is a procedure thatyou offer at your office, that
you wanted to kind of get outinto the community, and what it
is is MLS laser therapy, yes.
(00:58):
So why don't you start off byexplaining what it is in the
first place, right?
What is MLS laser therapy andkind of how it works?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Okay.
So the MLS laser it's a laserthat heals, right.
So the mechanism of action, theway it works, is that it's two.
It's the only FDA approvedlaser that has two beams, um,
that fight at the at that aim atthe same time.
And what the two beams at thesame time do is that it forces
(01:30):
your cells to generate moreenergy or more ATP, so that the
cell heals itself.
So it forces your cell to healitself by giving it more energy
and then the area heals on itsown.
It basically it almost givesyour body a boost to regenerate
(01:51):
the area.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You mentioned ATP.
For those of us that are, whatdoes that mean?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So each cell has mitochondria.
Mitochondria is where theenergy of the cell gets
generated, and the energy of thecell is in the form of ATP.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, so in essence, the laser therapy basically goes
in there and stimulates thosecells and creates the energy in
there for healing purposes,exactly, very cool.
So, like what makes LMS lasertherapy different from, I guess,
other types of treatments thatare typically used for these
issues of pituitary?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So it's, first of all , it's safe.
It's non-invasive.
There's no needles, there's noinjections.
You don't feel cold or heat.
You feel absolutely nothing, ifonly, if anything, anything.
You just feel better after.
Like, you start feeling sometingling after you're done, um,
and it takes, you know, a couplesessions to kick in, but the
(02:53):
the most, the main thing, it'snon-invasive.
There's no surgery required.
Um, you know, you have to think.
Um, sometimes there's elderlypatients that have debilitating
pain and they can't have surgery.
They can't get an injection,they can't take pills.
This is probably the only thingout there for them that's safe
(03:14):
and easy to use Well, easy forus to use on them and it really
does make a difference and itheals the area.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So now we have an idea of what it is and how it
differs from, you know, some ofthe other treatments out there.
What are some of the conditions, like the specific conditions
or injuries in the foot andankle specifically, that MLS
laser therapy is used for?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I use it for a variety of different things.
If someone has, for example,like, the number one thing I use
it for right now is neuropathy.
So neuropathy is anirreversible condition.
That's from it comes fromdiabetes or from back injuries
or things like that, andpatients have horrible nerve
pain.
And neuropathy is one of themain things I use it for,
(04:01):
because there's really notreatment for this and patients
feel better and don't have totake pills when they do this.
Mls laser therapy, because itactually helps regenerate tissue
in the area, regenerate thenerves and it helps lessen the
pain.
The other things I use it for Iuse it a lot for sprains, like
if someone has an ankle sprainor a joint sprain or some type
(04:24):
of foot sprain or leg sprain.
I focus the laser on the areaof the sprain and it gets your
body to heal it faster.
It makes your body lay down thefoundation for the ligament to
heal faster.
I also use it for Achilles,tendonitis, plantar fasciitis,
anything chronic.
It's really great for neuromas.
(04:45):
I also use it part of mypost-operative protocol, like if
someone has surgery, I havethem do six sessions right after
.
It helps a lot with the painand the swelling after surgery.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It seems like a really effective process.
Is this relatively new or hasthis been around for a while?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
No, this laser has been around for like many.
It's been around for decadesactually.
It's just, you know, noteverybody commits to buying it
for their office and having itavailable.
Um, it used to just be, like, Iknow, when it came out, like 20
, 30 years ago, it just used tobe like a wand and now it's
(05:26):
self-standing and you can justposition it and then the body.
You know, you mark a grid withthe laser and the laser goes by
the grid to.
You know, focus on the problemarea of the foot or the leg.
It's also used a lot inchiropractics and pain
management centers.
People use it on the back andon the shoulder and things like
that.
It's for every area of the body.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean it seems like a no brainer for somebody
that's having some of thesetypes of chronic issues.
Anytime there's a non-invasivetype procedure that could have
effects like that, it'scertainly worthwhile to check
out.
So, like, what is the patientto expect during a session?
I mean, it seems like I said itseems pretty straightforward,
but what does that look like fora patient that would come in?
(06:09):
Is it?
What's the first part?
I guess the second would belike how many treatments
typically before you see effect?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So it really depends, like for so what patient, the
treatment itself, depending onyou know the size of the area
we're treating, um, it can rangeanywhere between five minutes
and 20 minutes.
You know, just one session is,let's let's put an average of 15
minutes per session, um, andbasically they, we sit, they
(06:38):
come to the office, they sitdown, um, my assistant positions
them and then we focus thelaser to the problem areas and
they get their nice littleprotective eyewear and they sit
and they get the treatment.
That's kind of the protocol forthe office, like what actually
happens in real time.
But as far as length oftreatment, I would say that it
(06:59):
really depends.
I would say that it reallydepends.
Like, if someone has chronicarthritis right, if they have,
you know, really bad arthritisin their foot or their ankle,
they need, like usually theyneed like 12 sessions to start
with in the first six weeks andthen maintenance, okay, and then
if someone has a sprain, forexample, they need like about
(07:22):
you know, eight to ten sessions,something like that, back to
back, to just help the body healthe screen.
If someone has, like a smalllittle injury and they don't
want any pills, and I wantinjection, I do also about six
to eight sessions trying tothink what else.
I'm using it right now forsomeone with a chronic heel pain
(07:48):
, so they're doing 10 sessions.
So it really depends.
The lowest amount of sessionsis the six For someone who just
had surgery.
They do six sessions rightafter the surgery.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Now is this part of the treatment plan that you're
currently doing with my, mystepmother, nora, no no, I'm not
.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I'm not doing it for her actually.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh, okay, it just didn't fit into her, her
specific situation, yeah, soyeah for her specific issue,
it's she needed a differenttreatment.
Which is going rather well, Imight add.
Yes, she's very, very happy.
She keeps telling me I'm sohappy I met Dr Lauren.
She's great.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean she would probably benefit from the
laser as well.
Looking back, but I think thatshe needed a different treatment
to help her out with her issues, so it was more suitable for
her help her out with her issues, so it was more suitable for
her.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Are there any like risks or side effects associated
with this therapy, or is it?
Is it 100% completely benign inall cases?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So it's completely safe for all patients all ages
Um.
The only time it'scontraindicated is if the
patient has cancer or HIV.
So the reason is because youknow there aren't enough studies
to see like because basicallypatients with that have cancer
(09:15):
or have HIV.
Their cells are mutated so wedon't know what the laser would
do to the cells.
Got it?
No, when you stimulate themessentially.
So that's the only time it'snot.
And if you have any type ofbleeding disorder it's advised
not to do it.
That's the major systemic issue.
(09:35):
Contraindications Actually Iwas told that it's safe to even
do it for pregnant women, aslong as it's not by their uterus
.
If you do the foot or the armor the neck, it's completely
safe.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
How often do you use this in conjunction with other
treatment plans?
For instance, for the case ofmy stepmother, she was doing
something else when you feellike maybe this could also
benefit, or maybe,post-operoperative, is there
scenarios where you'll do asurgery on someone and for the I
guess for the healing process,you'll schedule a series of
treatments with the laser toultimately speed up the healing
(10:13):
process?
Yeah, you got enough.
You're having a party in there,huh?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
you're making noise on the camera, that's all good,
all good, all good.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
We roll messages here .
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So your question is how often do I use it in
conjunction, in conjunction withother treatments?
Yeah, okay.
So when it comes to a sprain,like if someone, I actually just
I was actually shocked andshocked myself.
I have someone who has anAchilles tear and so what I did
for him is I combined a stemcell injection together with a
(10:54):
laser therapy and within sixweeks, his gap without surgery,
his gap closed by 85%.
Wow, so that's prettyimpressive.
So I do it in conjunction withstem like.
If someone has a rupture or atear so I always like a bad one
I always combine a stem cell,like one or two stem cells,
together with the laser therapy.
(11:16):
That's something I do inconjunction with the other thing
the laser is also.
It's so versatile I even justwas reading that it's good for
fungus as well, so I can combinea topical fungal medication
together with the laser for thefungus.
The other thing I combine itwith is very rare do I do a
(11:42):
steroid injection with the laser, only if the situation is
really bad.
But yeah, that's the stem cellfor really bad injuries.
I will combine the stem cellwith the laser, and there is
actually the laser company put astudy out that it's actually
like it's very synergistictogether and it really does help
(12:03):
heal the area faster when youdo them together.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Very, very interesting.
Are there any specific factorsthat I'm sure there are that
you're considering when it comesto making these treatment plans
?
Obviously, if somebody has,like, a serious injury, they
need surgery.
But, for instance, like I keepgoing back to my stepmom because
it's familiar to me, she hasthese chronic issues.
She meets with you.
It's like what factors do youtake into consideration to
(12:27):
determine whether or not she's agood candidate for the laser
versus what you actually did forher Right?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So can I use your mom as a case why I didn't use a
laser, or no, we don't want to,okay, so so I'll have.
I'll give you two, twoscenarios.
So your mom, for example shehas her ultrasound confirmed
that her Achilles tendon isextremely thick and full of scar
(12:56):
tissue.
Ok, so in her case, shockwavetherapy I thought was better,
because we just need to break upa lot of the scar tissue and
not to say that the laserwouldn't help her.
It would help a lot with thepain and the inflammation
associated with it.
But to really get deep into thetendon and to wake it up and
(13:19):
heal the area and get it to likego back to a normal tendon, you
need more than just the laser.
And then in another situation Ihave a patient.
They had really bad Achillespain also, but again their
tendon was normal.
It's just that they're alwaysinflamed, they can't get a shot,
(13:39):
they don't want to take pillsanymore.
So this would be a great optionfor them.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So it helps a lot with pain and inflammation and
things like that.
Lastly, what's on the horizon?
What are some futureadvancements, things that are
upcoming in the field with lasertherapy, like when are we going
to have that laser where,whatever the ailment is, you
come in and you wave your magicwand and the issue is magically
resolved?
When is that coming?
Pull out the crystal ball.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I would have to say you know there's a lot of
machines out in the market andthere's like I keep seeing all
these ads for like StemWave andSoundWave and you know all of
them have very, you know,similar functions, but I don't
think there's anything out inthe market now that's going to
like immediately fix it.
(14:35):
You know, this is not theending scene of Click, where
they just kind of scan it andit's like I wish you were there.
Maybe with the new AI advances,maybe it can happen.
But you know I really like thislaser.
Let's just summarize that Ilove this laser because my
(14:59):
patients are like so happy andtheir pain is gone in just two
or three sessions.
They already feel thedifference.
Oh, the other thing isfantastic.
You have to do three in a row,like three in the first week,
because the laser does have acumulative effect, like, just
like an antibiotic has a loadingdose.
Like you take a Z-Pak, you taketwo on the first day, then one,
(15:21):
one, one, one.
It's the same thing with thelaser you have to take.
You have to do the first threesessions within the first week.
That way you're kind of joltingyourselves into waking up and
starting the healing process.
So it's just, you know, I'mstill like I'm researching it
myself, because we've only hadit for the past month or two and
(15:43):
I'm seeing amazing things withmy patients and everybody's
super, super happy, even theolder patients, you know, they
don't, they can't take anythingand they're doing the lasers.
They can't take anything andthey're doing the lasers and
they're walking and they'rehappy and they don't have pain
and they're taking less of theirpills for pain, pain
medications.
So it's a great choice in thosesituations and for people with,
(16:08):
you know, younger generationwith a regular foot and ankle
pain, it's just good to know andI feel calm to know that there
is something out there that isnot surgery and it's not
injections and it's not you knowplethora of other things that
you know, everybody else doesyou know.
(16:28):
It's just different.
You know and and I keep sayingyou know, I know you know, I
know, you know it works.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So, yeah, it's good to know.
I'm glad we did this.
I had no idea about any of this.
It's good to know there aretreatment plans like this
available and I ask, like tonguein cheek, when we're going to
have the magic laser that fixeseverything.
But that's not how this stuffworks right.
There's no magic bullet,there's no one thing.
It all goes back to we saidthis before taking care of
(16:59):
yourself right, Getting routinecheckups, eating right,
exercising, stretching all thethings that are difficult for
people to do because it's hard.
But just implementing thosedaily habits from a younger age
or from wherever you're at inlife, really just starting to do
those things slowly but surely,will generally eliminate a lot
of the problems that you'reultimately solving at the office
(17:21):
.
So you hear that everyone outthere Stay healthy, put a
routine in place, always getannual checkups.
If you ever have a problemyou're experiencing, any pain in
the feet, anything, reach outto Dr Lauren.
She's obviously a wonderfulresource.
She's an integral part of ourgreat community here doing
really great work.
So if you have any questionsany time, there's always a link
(17:44):
in the description to hercontact information so you could
reach her.
Thanks for tuning in and youknow we'll catch everyone next
time.
I just said, you know too, youinfected me with.
You know we'll catch everyonenext time.
I just I just said you know to,you got your.
You know, all right, it wasalways, always a pleasure, Good
seeing you, and we will catcheveryone next time on the next
episode of the LMD podiatrypodcast.
(18:05):
Everyone, take care, have awonderful day and stay blessed.
Bye, Bye blessed.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
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