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Mike (00:10):
All right.
So, oh sorry, I've been sickfor the past couple of days, as
you could probably tell, and Imean like crawled up on the
couch hacking up a lung,questioning my life choices,
kind of sick.
So I figure you know what's abetter thing to do while you're
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down bad with a cold than tobinge watch a television show
about a guy who makes your redflags just seem like pink
suggestions.
So if you haven't guessed, Ifinished the show, you.
And just a fair warning if youhaven't seen it or if you
haven't finished the show yet,then there's going to be some
spoilers ahead.
Warning if you haven't seen it,or if you haven't finished the
show yet, then there's going tobe some spoilers ahead.
But I watched seasons four andfive back to back and, trust me,
I need some therapy after that.
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But I got some thoughts,because you ever watch a show
halfway through and you realize,oh, you know what.
I actually might be the onewith the problem here, because
somewhere between rooting forjoe and wondering why this dude
is still getting fan mail, I hada moment of why do we seem to
glamorize broken men?
Why is he the villain but alsosomehow the guy people want to
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see win.
And yeah, I'm still talkingabout the same Joe Goldberg
who's killed more people thanBundy but still had the nerve to
monologue about morality whilehiding a body Like bro.
You can't say that I did thisfor love when your love language
is murder.
Because, trust me, as insane asthis sounds, I was low-key
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rooting for Joe in seasons onethrough three.
Not because I condone anythinghe did.
Dude was obviously bats hit,but the way that the show framed
his internal monologue and theway that he thought about what
he was doing, you just kind ofstarted thinking wait, is this
guy kind of morally justifiedhere?
And that's where they kind ofget you, because it's not that
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he's a good guy, it's more thathe's a well-explained guy, plus.
Also, part of me didn't want himto get caught yet, not because
I wanted him to win, but becauseI knew that if he gets caught
then the show is over.
So I kept watching, also likehow far is this actually gonna
go?
Like how far can this dude takethis?
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And the answer was clearly waytoo far.
Because by the time that we hitseasons four and five, that
sympathy window slammed shut.
Like I get it Trauma,abandonment, childhood wounds.
But my guy started realizingthat he was the problem and he
still kept going.
That's when it flipped for me.
You can't be self-aware andstill be a menace.
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And he knew that he was toxicand he knew that he was
dangerous and at some point youjust want to see the
consequences actually catch upto him.
It got to a point where I didn'twant to see him get away
anymore.
I wanted to see him suffer, andnot in some artsy, self-pitying
montage way.
I mean, let the man just rot.
And this is where the spoilerhappens, because he does end up
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going to jail.
But the way that he gets caughtis fucking fantastic.
I mean it was a crazy assepisode.
But it's crazy because at theend he's also getting fan mail
while he's in jail, whichhonestly wasn't really how I
wanted the show to end.
I kind of wanted the show to endwith a little bit more of him
in jail and seeing what he wasgoing to go through, seeing what
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the other inmates might havedone to him, like what would
have happened if he dropped thesoap and Bubba came running
around the corner, like give mesome insight on that.
But also the thing I thoughtthat Joe feared the most was
being alone in life, and I couldhave misinterpreted this with
the jail scene, but to me itdidn't seem like he was in full
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solitary.
And it's not like I could speakfrom experience on this, but I
don't know if somebody would bereceiving letters if they were
in full solitary.
But instead of watching him rotwith his own thoughts, he gets
a cute little montage and a winkat the camera.
Where's the prison beatdown?
Where's the existential crisis?
Where is the accountability?
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But also, for a guy like Joe,you know that he's never going
to take accountability becausehe just thinks that whatever
he's doing is right and there'snothing out there that can make
him see the consequences of hisactions.
But yet in the show at the end,he's still getting his fan mail
.
Now I know what you're thinking.
All right, mike, it's just ashow.
It's Hollywood.
Of course Joe Goldberg's gonnaget fan mail.
It's TV.
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That wouldn't happen in reallife, right Wrong?
Have you heard of Wade Wilson?
No, not Deadpool, I mean anactual dude in Florida.
This guy had a Joker smiletattoo and was convicted of
murdering two women back in 2019.
And while he was in jailawaiting his trial, this man
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received almost 4,000 messages.
That's right, 4,000.
People were really out herewriting letters to a double
murderer, like he's on theBachelor Death Row edition, and
it wasn't just thinking of youletters.
Authorities actually flaggedover 160 photos for being
explicit.
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So yeah, 160 women sent innudes to a guy who strangled two
women and ran one over with hiscar.
But go ahead, let's keepromanticizing serial killers as
long as they've got good bonestructure and a troubled past
right.
And it goes back to this ideaof let's just stop glamorizing
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broken men, because it'shilarious to me that women are
afraid of men.
Remember that whole socialmedia trend of would you rather
be stuck on a trail with a bearor a man?
And a lot of women chose thebear.
But then they're also slidinginto the DMs of murderers.
Like, make it make sense, Idon't care how bad your ex was,
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you don't need to rebound withsomeone who actually has blood
on their hands.
And I get it.
Some women watch true crime tofeel prepared like they're
studying red flags.
But if you're studying redflags while simultaneously
thirsting over dudes wholiterally collect them like
Pokemon cards, we gotta talk.
And I think part of this stemsfrom this idea that women can
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fix men Like he's not a threat,he's just misunderstood.
No, Brenda, he's a serialkiller.
He's not a Build-A-Bear, justlike those talking hearts that
say I love you, the battery'sgoing to run out eventually.
You can't love the stabbing outof someone, but you can
lovingly get stabbed by someone,ayo.
But then sometimes the stabbingis just so good and that's why
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we stay with the men who arewrong for us.
But hey, you know, on the flipside, when it comes to men
dating toxic women, you knowwhat they say grippy socks equal
grippy box.
Am I right, fellas?
Sorry, let's get back on trackhere, but you know,
psychologists have even come outand said that finding comfort
in true crime is a red flag initself.
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But we ignore that because thepackaging is pretty, ted Bundy,
pretty boy.
Joel goldberg looks like helistens to.
John mara writes poetry in hisnotes app, but that doesn't
change the fact that he's got ahigher body count than that
douchebag frat boy that can'tget enough Creed.
But speaking of red flags, haveyou seen the stuff going on
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with Anthony Edwards?
If you don't know who he is,he's a basketball player for the
Timberwolves, but he justrecently had some baby mama
drama and he offered to pay theentire child support in a lump
sum up front.
It was almost like he waspre-ordering his karma and
that's either the most toxic orthe most financially responsible
move I've ever seen.
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Here's the full amount for 18years.
Now let me go live my life.
Bro didn't even want partialcustody, he just wanted out.
I mean, who needs visitationwhen you can get Venmo freedom
in advance?
Right?
And look, I'm not saying I fullydisagree, and I've said it
before.
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It's a woman's body, it's herchoice, no matter what.
But a man should have some kindof say when it comes to his
wallet, and I don't know if thiswas the case, but especially if
the decision was to keep a kid.
That wasn't mutual.
Now let me clarify somethingbefore people start labeling me
like I've got a Bugatti andmisogyny subscription.
I'm not saying men shouldn'ttake care of their kids.
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I'm also not saying that weshould just ghost responsibility
.
But what I am saying is let'stalk about fairness.
If a woman doesn't want thebaby and the man does, he has to
live with the fact that shegets to make that final decision
.
That's her legal and bodilyright and I'm not contesting
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that.
But then flip it.
If she does want the baby andthe man doesn't, he has to foot
the bill, even if he made itclear that he wasn't on board.
And look, I get it.
Life isn't always fair.
But when the stakes are thishigh, when it's literal life or
long-term financial commitment,shouldn't we at least talk about
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how one party's choice becomesboth parties' burden?
It's not about skipping out,but it's more about having an
honest conversation on whereconsent ends and consequence
begins.
But also, you don't think thiswoman knew the kind of man that
Anthony Edwards was?
Bro has four kids with fourdifferent women and you still
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went out with him At some point.
We gotta stop dating red flagslike they're fixer-upper
projects, then acting shockedwhen the roof caves in.
You didn't stumble into chaos,you RSVP'd.
So yeah, maybe stop dating menwith red flags and then acting
shocked when the circus shows upat your door.
But here's the thing Not everywoman chooses the chaos.
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Sometimes the chaos shows up incleats and a fucking Ravens
jersey.
Enter Justin Tucker, the GOAT ofkickers, the golden boy, the
guy you trusted to make a 61yarder in the snow and now
sexual assault allegations.
And look, I'll joke all dayabout the women romanticizing
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broken men, but this is not that.
This isn't someone falling forthe wrong guy.
This is just a guy abusingpower.
And the fact that he's a kickermakes it more insane to me.
Like you were the quiet one,you were the guy with zero
fantasy points until the offensestalled.
Let's be real here.
Being the best kicker is likebeing the best waffle house open
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after midnight.
People love you, but it onlytakes one fuck up for you to be
the most hated man in sports.
I mean, you miss one field goaland people forget that deshaun
watson exists for like threedays.
And you know there's someasshat out there that's gonna be
like, hey, maybe you justneeded something to take the
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edge off the pressure of being akicker, which, yeah, sure you
could maybe argue if it wasconsensual, and he was
consensually cheating on hiswife.
So no, the dude is just afucking asshole.
And you know what really pissesme off the most about this issue
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Is the fact that if we learnedanything from what the NFL did
about Deshaun Watson, they won'tdo shit about this.
Because what did they do withDeshaun?
They gave him an 11-gamesuspension and a $5 million fine
.
Oh, fucking boo-hoo-hoo, he gotan 11-game suspension go fuck
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yourself.
I've said it before, I'm goingto say it again the only orange
that that motherfucker should bewearing is a fucking jumpsuit.
And now the only reason theywant to get rid of his ass is
because he forgot how to fuckingfootball.
It's not even because of allthe allegations that he got and
the fact that his team doesn'teven want to play for him and
the fact that the fans literallybooed him when he got hurt,
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when, in retrospect, they shouldhave fucking cheered.
So when, hopefully, the Ravensdo the right thing and they cut
Justin Tucker, we know thatthere's a rapist roster spot
open up on the Brownsorganization and they're
probably gonna pick his ass up,because the Browns do what the
Browns do and they collectcriminals like they're fucking
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infinity stones.
And you know, I always thoughtthat the Browns was a really
stupid name for an NFL footballteam, but the more that I keep
seeing that organization run, itactually makes perfect sense,
because they're just pieces ofshit.
So, yeah, that's my bigprediction for the 2025 football
season.
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And look, I get it.
Some women really are in danger,the kind of danger that makes
that bear meme feel valid ashell.
And you hear the stories aboutJustin Tucker, deshaun Watson
and you go yeah, that fear makessense.
But then, on the flip side,you've got women like my ex, who
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filed a restraining orderagainst me because I happened to
bump into her on a hiking trailwith my sister, her husband and
a friend of mine, and she movedout of my state.
No threats, no stalking, justme accidentally sharing oxygen
with this person.
And the problem with stuff likethat is it invalidates the real
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stories, that it gives peoplewith just enough doubt to
dismiss the women who are indanger.
So, while my ex was out thereplaying the victim because I had
the audacity to exist near heron a mountain trail, it's the
women who had to deal with theJustin and Desaun Cosbys of the
world that pay the price,because now people hesitate,
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they lump everyone together andreal victims get thrown in the
same box as the performativeones.
So congrats.
You didn't just throw dirt onmy name, you helped dirty the
water for everyone else too.
And you know, maybe that's whatthis episode's really about Not
just glamorizing broken men,not just calling out monsters,
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but the messy middle wheredanger hides in charm, where
fake claims blur real ones andwhere red flags get romanticized
because we're too lonely, tooentertained or too invested in
our own fantasy to call it whatit is.
I've rooted for Joe Goldberg.
I've laughed at true crimememes.
I've watched people defendserial killers because they had
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cheekbones and trauma, but I'vealso seen what happens when the
real threats go unchecked andwhen people like me get falsely
lumped into the same category.
So no, I don't have a perfectanswer.
Just this Monsters don't alwayswear masks.
Sometimes they wear jerseys orcardigans or a smirk that looks
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romantic until it isn't.
Eventually, the red flags wavethemselves.
The only question is are westill pretending it's a parade,
because Wade Wilson strangledtwo women and got 160 nudes in
jail Meanwhile?
I can't even get a text back.
So yeah, something's broken andit's not just the men.
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Anyways, that's all I got.
If you like this episode, sendit to a friend or your ex or
someone currently watching youthinking Joe's kinda hot.
And if you're one of WadeWilson's pen pals, stop
Seriously, get some help.
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All right, guys.
Thank you so much for listeningand have a great week.