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Mike (00:10):
all right.
So I'm at the bar and I'mtrying to make small talk with
the customer as a bartender,does we end up getting onto the
topic of music?
And I ask the person who theirfavorite artist was, and she
said that her favorite artist isTaylor Swift and my response
was saying Taylor Swift is yourfavorite artist is like saying
Kim Kardashian is your favoriteporn star.
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Like what did she really do tochange the industry?
Because, look, I don't hateTaylor, but people act like
she's single-handedly changingthe game.
Meanwhile, we act like some ofthe most genre-defining artists
ever are just footnotes inSpotify's back catalog.
So this week again, because,one, I don't really have
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anything else to talk about andtwo, a few of you have told me
that you like when I talk music,so I'm going to give Rocket's
name flowers, the good, the badand the bad shit.
So let me get this out of theway.
I am not a beatles fan, mostlybecause I just can't stand john
lennon.
The guy talked peace because hewrote imagine, but then behind
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closed doors, he was bullyingeveryone around him and slapping
his first wife around just tocheat on her with yoko.
Yeah, bro, imagine you actuallyweren't an asshole.
I mean, was the guy who shotyou actually a fan or was he
just someone that you bulliedinto oblivion?
And no offense, I'm sorry.
Have you seen Yoko?
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I mean, john wasn't reallyanyone to write home about
either, but, unlike John, yokohad a voice that matched her
face.
Just bad.
You ever see the video of Johnand Yoko playing with Chuck
Berry?
And Yoko just starts doing whatI can only call a whale's
mating call into the mic.
Even Chuck looks around likedude.
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What the fuck cut this mic with?
That being said, from what Iknow, chuck Berry wasn't also
the greatest guy either offstage.
So I feel the same way abouthim and his music when it comes
to the guitar, incorporatingblues and country into rock
music, especially with his solos, and creating the duck walk
that Angus Young adopted.
But at least he didn't hide hisasshole-ishness behind the
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music.
But even I can admit, as much asI might not be a fan, I can
respect the Beatles and how muchthey did to actually change
music as a whole.
Because, yeah, you had artistslike Elvis and Chuck Berry,
little Richie, fats Dominoes,all those guys.
But until the Beatles hit thescene, rock was not truly
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mainstream.
And plus, without the Beatlesyou probably don't have concept
albums, like you don't havereally multi-track experiments.
No, sgt Pepper probably meansthat you don't have Pink Floyd's
the Wall or even Queen, andthere's definitely no Kanye's my
Beautiful Dark-Soyced Fantasy.
So yeah, lennon was a hypocrite, but musically with the Beatles
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he's kind of a game changer.
But then if the Beatles builtthe studio, hendrix burned it
down and rebuilt it with a wahpedal, cause the guy took what
Chuck Berry did and said raiseit to 11.
Hendrix didn't just play theblues, he took it and compacted
it into a diamond, becausewithout Hendrix, guys like Jeff
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Beck or Clapton probably don'tpush the envelope further with
their own styles.
I mean, jimmy brought effects,distortion and just full-out
chaos.
He was the first one to say,yeah, I can play a solo with my
teeth and you're gonna feel thatshit in your soul.
And he still kept it musical.
It wasn't just noise, it wasactually art, and I friggin'
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love Hendrix.
Talk about covers from a coupleweeks ago.
He was also a great coverartist.
He saw Bob Dylan and said I cando it better, and he fucking
did All along the watchtower.
You ever hear bob dylan'sversion on the radio?
No, you haven't.
I definitely can say I haven't.
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Or even hey, joe, the originalis by a guy named billy roberts,
but hendrix version is not onlyiconic but he has a top 10 solo
of all time in it.
And then also before Metallica,before Slipknot, before your
favorite Screamo TikTok band, wehad Sabbath, and Sabbath was
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dark.
They were the first band toreally make riffs sound like
death was knocking.
And it's funny because I thinkpeople assume Sabbath came out
after Zeppelin.
But Sabbath actually put theirdebut album before Zeppelin had
theirs.
So arguably, some of thedo-me-type riffs that Zeppelin
came out with doesn't reallyhappen without Sabbath.
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And honestly, who doesn't likeOzzy?
Someone's going to have toverify this for me.
But were the Osbournes thefirst reality TV family?
Because if that's the case,then fuck the Kardashians.
Ozzy did it first.
Ozzy was literally one stepahead of everyone when it came
to both music, ingenuity andtelevision.
Although I will say Zeppelinbrought some of the heavy and
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made it sexy, like if Sabbathwas the demon, zeppelin was the
devil in tight pants.
You couldn't even tell ifRobert Plant was trying to
summon Satan or seduce your mom,but either way you were
listening.
And then, in the 70s, enter VanHalen.
And I'll say it Van Halen isprobably one of the most
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defining bands of the 70s and80s.
That band should haveBeatles-level hysteria because
of what they did the speed, thesound.
Without Van Halen you do nothave modern rock or any modern
rock guitar player in any facetperiod or any modern rock guitar
player in any facet period.
I've said that before.
I'm going to keep saying it.
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Also, I might be biased,because Van Halen is probably my
favorite band.
I even like the Sammy stuff.
There's no wrong that Eddie VanHalen could do in my eyes.
I mean, the dude even hops onMichael Jackson's Beat it and
makes pop respect the guitar.
I mean the dude even hops onMichael Jackson's Beat it and
makes pop respect the guitar.
Eddie Van Halen transformedmusic and literally every band
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in the 80s was just a Van Halenwannabe.
No one is out here today tryingto mimic Taylor Swift.
That's influence.
But even if people say thatrock is dead, you can kind of
see it everywhere in pop.
Like you think Sia's weirdvocal layerings happen without
Peter Gabriel pushing boundaries?
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Do you think that Ed Sheeran'sglobal sound happens without
Toto and Talking Headsexperimenting with global sounds
?
Decades ago, hell, taylor Swiftwouldn't even exist without the
pop evolution, bands likeFleetwood Mac and Blondie
started.
You don't get synth pop withoutglam and you definitely don't
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get stadium pop without arenarock.
But then, with influence, comeshypocrisy right, because Guns
N' Roses drops Appetite forDestruction in 1987.
And Rocket Queen literallyfeatures audio of Axl Rose
having sex with a bandmate'sgirlfriend.
Some of this I might havealready said in past episodes.
You might hear it again.
It's whatever.
Like I said, I don't really gotmuch to talk about.
So what you get is what you getthis week.
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But Axl Rose literally has iton record that he put out a sex
tape and that album had nowarning label, no public outrage
, just platinum record.
Meanwhile, shannon Sharpcatches heat in 2024 for
allegedly putting out audio ofhim hooking up, and everyone's
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acting like it's some newscandal.
Axl did it first and he beatyou by 35 years and no one
batted an eye.
Now flip the script, because in1988 NWA dropped straight out of
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Compton just one year afterAppetite for Destruction comes
out, and that's when we suddenlyget the first ever parental
advisory sticker.
So let me get this straightWhite rock stars can sing about
heroin groupies and record theirsexcapades like it's a bonus
track, but when black artistscall out police brutality.
That's where we draw the line,that's where we go.
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But think of the children?
I don't know.
It's not just just censorship,I think it's just selective
outrage, like one group gets tobe raw and authentic and then
the other one gets to be labeledas a threat.
Make that one make sense.
But it's also not the first timethat something like that's
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happened.
Right, because elvis got bannedfrom being filmed below the
waist because he dared to haverhythm in his hips, and moms in
the 50s were clutching pearlslike they just saw Satan in a
sequin cult.
But then you get Jim Morrisonallegedly flashing the crowd
mid-show.
In the 60s, I think thathappened.
And then in the 80s, or even ifyou look at the carnal little
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sins tour on youtube, tommy leeturned concerts into a where's
waldo game for his dick.
So, uh, even the red hot chilipeppers, I think they used to
just straight up wear tube socksand that was all they wore.
Can you imagine that?
Like a band just comes out justdressing tube socks, like God
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forbid, they get sweaty and itfalls off.
That takes a shitload ofconfidence that I just do not
have.
I can only imagine what thattour merch looked like, but
what's that transformed intotoday?
Miley Cyrus twerking at the VMAs.
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Yet everybody's losing theirmind over that.
So let me get this straightwhen dudes act out, it's
rebellious, but when women do it, it's inappropriate.
That's the double standard andit's baked into both race and
gender in music history.
Now let's be real.
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Half of rock's legacy isn'tjust sound, it's spectacle.
But the minute that Miley Cyrustwerks on stage at the VMAs,
the world collectively has amoral stroke.
Suddenly everyone's a youthpastor.
Why?
Why is it iconic when men do it, but inappropriate when women
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do it?
Like when harry styles wears adress, it's considered edgy and
vogue approved.
When doja cat wears a bodypaint suit, it's too much.
When cardi b sings wop, whichis a fucking terrible song, but
I'll defend it in this.
The senate wants to hold ahearing, but Axl Rose singing
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the song?
It's so Easy and it's a 100%kosher.
Meanwhile, motley Crue wasdoing rolls off strippers and
lighting each other on fire, andwe're just here to pretend that
these glam rock dudes weren'tdressed like drag queens with a
drug problem.
If Madonna had done half ofwhat Ozzy did, like biting heads
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off bats and pissing in theAlamo, she'd probably still be
in prison.
This isn't about shock value.
I think this is about controland who's allowed to be wild and
who's allowed to break therules.
And it's always the same answerit's men, especially white ones
, because they get to berebellious.
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Everyone else it's quoteunquote too much.
So maybe the reason that women,queer artists and people of
color keep pushing theboundaries now is because rock
already taught them how.
They weren't just allowed to doit back then.
But here's the thing Rock's notdead, it just changed clothes.
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Like Thunder Mother, who's agreat all-female Swedish band,
and listening to their music youcan definitely tell that they
have influences from ACDC, deepPurple and definitely Jimi
Hendrix.
But then there's also Greta VanFleet, who's just repurposing
an old sound and making it moremodern.
I mean, here's a hot take.
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I personally cannot stand GretaVan Fleet.
It's one thing to haveinfluence on a band.
It's another one to completelycopy their style and sound like
that lead vocalist.
Whoever that guy is like dude,just go do a led zeppelin cover
band.
Even the guitarist like it is.
So down to the team, mimicworthy.
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It's like I understand thatyour lyrics are different, but
you guys are just led zeppelin2.0.
Like I want to hear ingenuity,I don't want to hear copycats,
but that's also just me.
But also I gotta give themcredit because if it wasn't for
greta van fleet, people probablydon't look back and listen to
led zeppelin.
And it's funny.
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I remember talking to somebodyabout this and he's just like
you.
You know, robert Plant went onan interview and said how much
he loves Greta Van Fleet.
Well, what's he gonna say?
That he hates the sound that hehimself created.
I mean, that would kind of belike ACDC coming out and saying
that they hate the band.
Except because the first time Iheard Balls to the Wall, I
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legitimately thought that was anACDC song, because the guy's
voice sounds just like Bon Scott.
But you know, what Acceptdidn't do Was totally copy
ACDC's sound.
Like even all those bands inthe 80s who all mimicked Van
Halen, they all had their ownunique style and sound.
Greta Van Fleet is literallyjust Led Zeppelin 2.0.
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Like, make it different.
That's all I'm asking.
Like I'm sorry, if I want tolisten to Led Zeppelin, I'm
going to listen to Led Zeppelin.
I'm not going to listen toGreta Van Fleet.
So, yeah, you know what.
Say what you want about TaylorSwift, but she's not an
influential artist, she's justhigh selling, and why, I don't
know.
She's a 35 year old who stillwrites lyrics like she's 16
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years old, like her music neverreally evolved, and you know
what?
I'll give it to you that shewent from country to pop, so her
sound actually did change.
Okay, that's a valid argument,but the main problem I have is
her writing is just constant.
It's just always the same.
I mean even pantera.
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They started out as a glammetal band and then became one
of the heaviest metal bands ofthe 90s, but with that, their
songwriting also changed tomatch the style.
All those bands that Imentioned earlier the beat,
beatles, van Halen, pink Floydthey all changed their sounds as
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they got older.
Metallica is famous forchanging their sound, and you
know what that's.
What defines good from great, inmy opinion, is the fact that
you can change your style andevolve as an artist, both
musically and lyrically.
And one, keep your fan base andtwo, Continue writing hit after
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hit.
You know who?
Taylor Swift panders to FuckingDisney adults, the people that
never learned how to grow up.
So I don't know, I'll leave itup to you guys.
You guys let me know if youguys think taylor swift is
actually an influential artist,or if you think that daddy's
money ended up ultimately buyingher fame.
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