In this freeform episode, Logan sits down with Zach Weinberg (Co-Founder and CEO of Curie.Bio) to break down two of the biggest storylines in tech: tariffs and AI.
They banter through the core arguments for and against tariffs, including national security, domestic employment, and negotiation power. Plus, they revisit what’s happened in past trade wars and share predictions on the real economic consequences this time around.
Logan and Zach also discuss OpenAI’s $40B raise and the broader race for AI dominance—can OpenAI maintain its lead against tech giants like Google and Apple? They debate the limits of product defensibility, the power of platform defaults, and the strategic moves OpenAI might need to make to stay ahead.
Topics include:
The arguments for and against tariffs
What happened during past U.S. tariff cycles—and how this one compares
Whether OpenAI can maintain its edge in a world of native AI platforms
A possible playbook for OpenAI to build user lock-in beyond utility
What this era of AI competition means for the U.S.—and what could derail it
(00:00) Intro
(01:35) Liberation Day and Global Trade
(02:13) Freeform Discussion on Various Topics
(02:44) Podcasting and VC Life
(03:32) Debating Tariffs and National Security
(11:26) Arguments Against Tariffs
(22:19) Historical Context of Tariffs
(26:58) Economic Predictions and Stagflation
(33:39) The Forgotten Lessons of Recessions
(36:02) The Fixed vs. Growth Mindset in Economics
(37:17) The Democratic Party's Shift on Economic Policies
(42:33) The Rise of Populism and Its Impact
(50:28) OpenAI's Explosive Growth and Challenges
(54:28) The Competitive Landscape of AI
(58:33) The Future of AI and Consumer Behavior
(01:07:20) The Role of Social Networking in AI's Future
(01:10:43) Wildcard: The Role of XAI and Grok
Executive Producer: Rashad Assir
Producer: Leah Clapper
Mixing and editing: Justin Hrabovsky
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