December 9, 2025 • 12 mins
This episode maps the architecture of the human energy field, traces how Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch entered hospital settings, and tests the boldest claims against scientific explanations. We outline the seven-layer framework of the human energy field, explore meridians and chakras as proposed distribution networks, and review the emotional and organ-based patterns suggested in many healing traditions. At every step, we differentiate veritable energy (measurable physical forces) from putative energy (subtle, subjective, or currently unmeasurable forces), offering clarity rather than confusion.
We examine how Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch evolved into structured nursing practices adopted in hospitals, including their theosophical lineage and emphasis on higher-sense perception. The episode also evaluates alternative explanations—such as the blue-field entoptic phenomenon, placebo effects, expectancy, and autonomic regulation—to help listeners distinguish measurable physiology from subtle-energy claims.
The debate arrives at a central challenge: if mind shapes energy, and energy shapes biology, how would you choose to heal? Rather than enforcing one worldview, we provide a grounded framework for inquiry, integration, and self-directed exploration.
High-volume keywords used: human energy field, Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch, subtle energy, chakras, meridians, mind–body healing, hospital integrative care
Listener Takeaways
- The difference between veritable and putative energy
- How the seven layers, chakras, and meridians are conceptualized
- The history of Therapeutic Touch and Healing Touch in hospitals
- Scientific vs. subtle-energy explanations, including entoptic effects
- A reflective challenge: how would you choose to heal?
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep dive.
Today we are tackling a stack ofsources that uh really challenge
the boundaries between physics,medicine, and metaphysics.
It's all under the umbrella ofenergy healing.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
It's a big umbrella.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
It is.
We have research on nursingpractices, foundational texts on
the human energy field, the HEF,and even accounts of ancient
healing systems.
So our mission is clear.
We need to take all this densematerial which describes an
entire invisible anatomy,really, and give you a quick but
comprehensive look in itsarchitecture, its modalities,
(00:33):
and well, its inherentphilosophical conflicts.
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
That's absolutely essential.
We need to go beyond justdefining jargon.
Our listener wants to understandthe specific anatomy described
in these sources, you know, theauric layers and the chakras.
Right.
And then analyze key healingmodalities like therapeutic
touch and healing touch.
We're synthesizing everythingfrom the context of, say, NIH
funding that supports researchto the truly fascinating
(00:58):
metaphysical frameworks.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Aaron Powell The ones that link these practices
back to things like theosophyand spirit guides.
Exactly.
Okay, let's unpack this becausethe hook for me really centers
around Barbara Brunny.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (01:08):
She didn't start as a spiritual healer.
She held a master's inatmospheric physics and works
for NASA's Goddard Space FlightCenter.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Right, which is not the typical background.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Not at all.
And it's this background thatmakes her synthesis of it all so
compelling.
Her program blends vibrationalscience, spiritual insights, and
psychoanalysis.
So we're navigating how someonegoes from tracking orbital data
for NASA to teaching about theseven layers of the human aura.
SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
To even start that navigation, we have to define
energy healing itself.
SPEAKER_00 (01:39):
Okay, where do we start?
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
According to these sources, it is the intentional
process of altering the subtleflow of energy within and around
a person.
The core idea is that disease ordistress are reflections of
imbalances in these vital energyfields.
SPEAKER_00 (01:55):
And that's the umbrella term for things like
Reiki, Qigong, therapeutictouch.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
Exactly.
And even distant healing.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
So when we talk about energy, the sources make a
pretty crucial distinction,right?
Separating this fromconventional science.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
They do.
You have the conventionalforces, strong and weak nuclear
electromagnetism, and gravity,which, ironically, the sources
note is the least understoodforce, even though it's the most
dominant.
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
But the concept of energy here just it broadens
immediately.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
It does.
We shift to a more holisticdefinition.
Energy is the capacity to doanything, physical,
psychological, or spiritual.
And that requires us todistinguish between two
categories.
SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
Veritable and putative.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
Exactly.
Veritable energies are themeasurable, quantifiable ones
like light or sound, butputative energies are the
biofields, the subtle fieldsthat are difficult, if not
impossible, to measure with ourcurrent instruments.
SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
So if I'm getting this right, a veritable energy
like light is a signal we cantrack precisely, but a putative
energy is more like ahypothetical current, this vital
life force we can really feel orintuit.
SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
That's a great way to put it.
And these subtle energies arewhat ancient cultures have
recognized for millennia.
It's qi or qi in Chinesesystems.
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
Qi in Japan, the doshas in Ayurveda.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
And prana in Sanskrit, which just means life
force.
SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
That unified concept brings us to Brennan's
definition of the universalenergy field, or UEF.
SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Right.
She describes it as this lifeenergy that interpenetrates and
surrounds absolutely everything.
And it's not disorganized, it'shighly structured, appearing as
geometric points, spirals,clouds.
SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
And here's where it gets critical for the healing
part.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
This is the key.
The UEF is also defined as aninformation storage hologram.
It's the energetic record of allspace and time.
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
So an attuned healer could potentially access past
trauma or even future healthstates?
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
That's the idea.
The energy field isn't just abarometer of current health,
it's a complete biographicallibrary.
SPEAKER_00 (03:55):
It turns the human body into an archive.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Exactly.
And if the UEF is the cosmicarchive, then the human energy
field, the HEF, or the aura, isthe individual's personal piece
of that archive.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
And our sources note a huge conceptual shift here.
They say scientists moved frombasically being certain this
field didn't exist to beingalmost certain that it does.
SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
A massive shift.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
How do they explain that?
Was there some kind of smokinggun evidence?
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
It seems it was more of an accumulation of things,
research into biofeedback,measurable field interactions
between people, and just thesheer volume of empirical
reports from healers that, youknow, led to a consensus.
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Okay, so structurally, what is this HEF?
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
It's described as having at least seven distinct
interpenetrating layers.
Each one vibrates at a differentfrequency and reflects a
specific psychological andspiritual state.
SPEAKER_00 (04:43):
Given Brendan's physics background, it sounds
like she's assigning differentvibrational bands to each layer,
like radio frequencies.
Let's walk through them.
Layer one.
SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
That's the ethereal body.
It's closest to the skin, maybean inch or two out, light blue
to gray.
This is the structuralblueprint, the matrix that
physical tissue forms upon.
SPEAKER_00 (05:02):
Okay, then layer two is the emotional body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
Yes, and this one is constantly shifting in color and
tone, extending maybe threeinches.
It reflects your immediatefeelings.
So energized, loving feelingsmake the colors vivid and clear.
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
And depressive or confused feelings would make it
muddy and dark.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
Exactly.
It's highly dynamic.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Then moving out, layer three is the mental body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:22):
That's your thoughts and mental clarity.
It's usually a bright yellowlight extending up to eight
inches.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
And then we hit the bridge.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Layer four, the astral body.
It's physically central, maybesix to twelve inches out, and
it's infused with this rosecolor of love.
It acts as a filter.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
A filter between what?
SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
It divides the energies of the lower physical,
emotional, and mental layersfrom the upper, more spiritual
ones.
SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
And this is the layer that's key to
relationships, right?
Where energetic cords formbetween people.
SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
Yes.
The sources claim that when arelationship ends abruptly, the
tearing of those cords is theliteral energetic event that
registers as the physical painof heartache.
SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
That definitely reframes a bad breakup.
SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
It does.
Beyond that, layer five is thetemplate body, extending up to
two feet out.
This layer has the complete,perfect blueprint of the whole
structure.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
The negative form.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
The negative form, exactly.
So if the first layer, theethereal body, is distorted from
disease or trauma, the healerhas to work here in the template
to restore the original formbefore the physical body can
heal itself.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
And finally, the highest layers.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
Layer six and seven.
The sixth is the celestial body,linked to spiritual planes,
unconditional love, oftenshimmering with opalescent
light.
And the seventh is the Cetharictemplate or causal body.
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
The record of the soul's experience.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
Across all time.
And it has a thin, protectiveeggshell layer, which gives
structural integrity toeverything inside it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
So interwoven through these layers are the
main channels of energydistribution.
First, the meridians.
SPEAKER_01 (06:57):
The energy pathways.
They're described as electricalconductors along the skin's
surface that affect every systemlung, heart, kidney.
SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
And there was some research in the 70s that
supported this, right?
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
There was.
Robert Becker's experimentsshowed electrical current
flowing in the paraneurial cellsright under the skin, which
lines up with where acupuncturepoints are mapped.
SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
And then you have the energy stations, the
chakras.
SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
Sanskrit for wheel.
The seven major energy centersthat traverse the spine,
connecting all the layers andmeridians.
And what's fascinating is thedirect link they describe
between organs and emotions.
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
Like the solar plexus, the third chakra.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
Right.
They link the kidneys to fearand the liver to anger.
This is central to the healingphilosophy.
If the organ holds the emotionalmemory, you have to heal the
emotional block to release thephysical symptom.
SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
So let's move into the actual nursing practices
that brought all this into themainstream.
We're talking about therapeutictouch and healing touch.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
TT, therapeutic touch, was developed in the
early 70s by Dolores Krieger, aPhD nurse, and a Buddhist endor
Koons, who was president of theTheosophical Society.
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
And despite the name, it's often non-contact.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
Right.
Its acceptance by mainstreamnursing is pretty remarkable.
The method is very precise.
The nurse first centersthemselves, then they assess the
HEF by holding their hands a fewinches off the body to sense
variations.
SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
Like hot or cold spots.
SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
Or density changes, yes.
Then they unruffle or decongestthe energy, smoothing it out.
And finally they modulate orredistribute that flow to
promote balance.
It's used a lot for pain andanxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
And healing touch is a variation developed later by
nurse Janet Mengen in 81.
SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
Yes.
And the key takeaway is thatboth have achieved significant
institutional sanction.
They've been endorsed by theAmerican Holistic Nurses
Association since 1989 and areused in hospitals.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
But our sources don't shy away from the, well,
the profound metaphysical rootsof these practices.
SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
Not at all.
Both TT and HT link theirfoundations back to Western
occultism, specificallytheosophy and spiritism, and
Eastern beliefs.
The reference material oftencites theosophists like Charles
Ledbeater for the originaldiagrams of the chakras and
aura.
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
And this lineage becomes really explicit in the
advanced training.
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
It does.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
Advanced healing touch, specifically, includes
accessing higher senseperception, HSP like
clairvoyance, and clairaudience.
We've gone from NIH sanctionednursing practices to other than
human intelligences, describedas spiritual guides or angels
who perform etheric operations.
How do the sources bridge thatmonumental gap?
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
They bridge it by defining the HEF as
multidimensional.
Brennan's work is explicit aboutthis.
She shares channeled messagesfrom her guide, Heyoan, and
includes exercises forcontacting your own guides.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
So the guides are seen as what?
Higher vibration entities.
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Who can transmit concepts and perform healing
from the fifth layer, thattemplate body, by assisting the
physical healer?
The key is removing the healer'sown mental blocks to accept
this, quote, greater reality.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
This brings us right to the central tension of this
entire field, the boundarybetween objective science and
personal perception.
SPEAKER_01 (10:06):
It really does.
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
And Brennan's work offers a concrete exercise for
this (10:09):
observing the universal life energy fields.
You lie down and gaze at a clearblue sky to see these tiny
globules of orgon.
SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
White balls with a black spot moving in squiggly
patterns.
SPEAKER_00 (10:22):
Right, and she notes they're bright and fast on a
sunny day, but fewer and slowerin a smoggy city, suggesting
they're undercharged.
SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
And this is a perfect example of that
conflict.
A student tries this and thinks,wow, I've been seeing those
squiggles my whole life.
SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
They feel like they've confirmed it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
But then their friend might send them a video
from an optometrist explainingthe exact same thing as the blue
field and toptic phenomenon.
SPEAKER_00 (10:44):
Right.
Which attributes the squigglesto what?
Blood cells?
SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
White blood cells moving in the capillaries across
your retina.
SPEAKER_00 (10:50):
So what does this all mean?
The core observation isidentical.
SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Completely identical.
But the interpretation isfundamentally polarized.
Are you tapping into objective,subtle energy with higher sense
perception?
Or are you just observing aknown physiological function of
your own eyeball?
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
That is the central question.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
It is.
But regardless of the label, thetheoretical power of the HEF
framework remains.
The idea that every thought,every feeling you have creates
structural changes in your aura.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
And negative beliefs or repressed emotions solidify
into energy blocks, these rigidcharacter defenses that a healer
tries to transform.
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
We started with a dense stack of sources.
SPEAKER_01 (11:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
Well, now we have the foundational structure of
the energy body, its sevenlayers, its seven centers, and
its links to health.
We've traced how key healingmodalities got sanctioned by
nurses.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
And we've wrestled with that profound boundary
between spiritual perception andconventional science.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
The ultimate philosophy underpinning all of
this, from ancient masters tomodern nurses, seems to be this
radical belief that the soul ormind precedes energy and that
energy precedes biology.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
Which suggests that consciousness itself is the
fundamental builder of biology,chemistry, emotions,
relationships, everything aperson experiences?
SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
And since the source material knows that a patient
has to be willing to heal, thateven the best healer can't help
someone whose own soul isblocking the process, the
profound takeaway isn't justabout whether you can manipulate
external energy fields.
The provocative thought for youis this if every single thought
and feeling fundamentally shapesyour energy field, how might a
deeper conscious awareness ofyour own emotional blocks and
(12:29):
character defenses fundamentallychange your entire experience of
reality, regardless of anyexternal scientific validation?
Something to explore on your owntime.
Welcome to the deep dive.
Today we are tackling a stack ofsources that uh really challenge
the boundaries between physics,medicine, and metaphysics.
It's all under the umbrella ofenergy healing.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
It's a big umbrella.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
It is.
We have research on nursingpractices, foundational texts on
the human energy field, the HEF,and even accounts of ancient
healing systems.
So our mission is clear.
We need to take all this densematerial which describes an
entire invisible anatomy,really, and give you a quick but
comprehensive look in itsarchitecture, its modalities,
(00:33):
and well, its inherentphilosophical conflicts.
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
That's absolutely essential.
We need to go beyond justdefining jargon.
Our listener wants to understandthe specific anatomy described
in these sources, you know, theauric layers and the chakras.
Right.
And then analyze key healingmodalities like therapeutic
touch and healing touch.
We're synthesizing everythingfrom the context of, say, NIH
funding that supports researchto the truly fascinating
(00:58):
metaphysical frameworks.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Aaron Powell The ones that link these practices
back to things like theosophyand spirit guides.
Exactly.
Okay, let's unpack this becausethe hook for me really centers
around Barbara Brunny.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (01:08):
She didn't start as a spiritual healer.
She held a master's inatmospheric physics and works
for NASA's Goddard Space FlightCenter.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Right, which is not the typical background.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Not at all.
And it's this background thatmakes her synthesis of it all so
compelling.
Her program blends vibrationalscience, spiritual insights, and
psychoanalysis.
So we're navigating how someonegoes from tracking orbital data
for NASA to teaching about theseven layers of the human aura.
SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
To even start that navigation, we have to define
energy healing itself.
SPEAKER_00 (01:39):
Okay, where do we start?
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
According to these sources, it is the intentional
process of altering the subtleflow of energy within and around
a person.
The core idea is that disease ordistress are reflections of
imbalances in these vital energyfields.
SPEAKER_00 (01:55):
And that's the umbrella term for things like
Reiki, Qigong, therapeutictouch.
SPEAKER_01 (02:00):
Exactly.
And even distant healing.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
So when we talk about energy, the sources make a
pretty crucial distinction,right?
Separating this fromconventional science.
SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
They do.
You have the conventionalforces, strong and weak nuclear
electromagnetism, and gravity,which, ironically, the sources
note is the least understoodforce, even though it's the most
dominant.
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
But the concept of energy here just it broadens
immediately.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
It does.
We shift to a more holisticdefinition.
Energy is the capacity to doanything, physical,
psychological, or spiritual.
And that requires us todistinguish between two
categories.
SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
Veritable and putative.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
Exactly.
Veritable energies are themeasurable, quantifiable ones
like light or sound, butputative energies are the
biofields, the subtle fieldsthat are difficult, if not
impossible, to measure with ourcurrent instruments.
SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
So if I'm getting this right, a veritable energy
like light is a signal we cantrack precisely, but a putative
energy is more like ahypothetical current, this vital
life force we can really feel orintuit.
SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
That's a great way to put it.
And these subtle energies arewhat ancient cultures have
recognized for millennia.
It's qi or qi in Chinesesystems.
SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
Qi in Japan, the doshas in Ayurveda.
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
And prana in Sanskrit, which just means life
force.
SPEAKER_00 (03:13):
That unified concept brings us to Brennan's
definition of the universalenergy field, or UEF.
SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Right.
She describes it as this lifeenergy that interpenetrates and
surrounds absolutely everything.
And it's not disorganized, it'shighly structured, appearing as
geometric points, spirals,clouds.
SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
And here's where it gets critical for the healing
part.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
This is the key.
The UEF is also defined as aninformation storage hologram.
It's the energetic record of allspace and time.
SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
So an attuned healer could potentially access past
trauma or even future healthstates?
SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
That's the idea.
The energy field isn't just abarometer of current health,
it's a complete biographicallibrary.
SPEAKER_00 (03:55):
It turns the human body into an archive.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Exactly.
And if the UEF is the cosmicarchive, then the human energy
field, the HEF, or the aura, isthe individual's personal piece
of that archive.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
And our sources note a huge conceptual shift here.
They say scientists moved frombasically being certain this
field didn't exist to beingalmost certain that it does.
SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
A massive shift.
SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
How do they explain that?
Was there some kind of smokinggun evidence?
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
It seems it was more of an accumulation of things,
research into biofeedback,measurable field interactions
between people, and just thesheer volume of empirical
reports from healers that, youknow, led to a consensus.
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Okay, so structurally, what is this HEF?
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
It's described as having at least seven distinct
interpenetrating layers.
Each one vibrates at a differentfrequency and reflects a
specific psychological andspiritual state.
SPEAKER_00 (04:43):
Given Brendan's physics background, it sounds
like she's assigning differentvibrational bands to each layer,
like radio frequencies.
Let's walk through them.
Layer one.
SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
That's the ethereal body.
It's closest to the skin, maybean inch or two out, light blue
to gray.
This is the structuralblueprint, the matrix that
physical tissue forms upon.
SPEAKER_00 (05:02):
Okay, then layer two is the emotional body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
Yes, and this one is constantly shifting in color and
tone, extending maybe threeinches.
It reflects your immediatefeelings.
So energized, loving feelingsmake the colors vivid and clear.
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
And depressive or confused feelings would make it
muddy and dark.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
Exactly.
It's highly dynamic.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Then moving out, layer three is the mental body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:22):
That's your thoughts and mental clarity.
It's usually a bright yellowlight extending up to eight
inches.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
And then we hit the bridge.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Layer four, the astral body.
It's physically central, maybesix to twelve inches out, and
it's infused with this rosecolor of love.
It acts as a filter.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
A filter between what?
SPEAKER_01 (05:41):
It divides the energies of the lower physical,
emotional, and mental layersfrom the upper, more spiritual
ones.
SPEAKER_00 (05:47):
And this is the layer that's key to
relationships, right?
Where energetic cords formbetween people.
SPEAKER_01 (05:51):
Yes.
The sources claim that when arelationship ends abruptly, the
tearing of those cords is theliteral energetic event that
registers as the physical painof heartache.
SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
That definitely reframes a bad breakup.
SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
It does.
Beyond that, layer five is thetemplate body, extending up to
two feet out.
This layer has the complete,perfect blueprint of the whole
structure.
SPEAKER_00 (06:12):
The negative form.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
The negative form, exactly.
So if the first layer, theethereal body, is distorted from
disease or trauma, the healerhas to work here in the template
to restore the original formbefore the physical body can
heal itself.
SPEAKER_00 (06:25):
And finally, the highest layers.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
Layer six and seven.
The sixth is the celestial body,linked to spiritual planes,
unconditional love, oftenshimmering with opalescent
light.
And the seventh is the Cetharictemplate or causal body.
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
The record of the soul's experience.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
Across all time.
And it has a thin, protectiveeggshell layer, which gives
structural integrity toeverything inside it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
So interwoven through these layers are the
main channels of energydistribution.
First, the meridians.
SPEAKER_01 (06:57):
The energy pathways.
They're described as electricalconductors along the skin's
surface that affect every systemlung, heart, kidney.
SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
And there was some research in the 70s that
supported this, right?
SPEAKER_01 (07:07):
There was.
Robert Becker's experimentsshowed electrical current
flowing in the paraneurial cellsright under the skin, which
lines up with where acupuncturepoints are mapped.
SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
And then you have the energy stations, the
chakras.
SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
Sanskrit for wheel.
The seven major energy centersthat traverse the spine,
connecting all the layers andmeridians.
And what's fascinating is thedirect link they describe
between organs and emotions.
SPEAKER_00 (07:30):
Like the solar plexus, the third chakra.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
Right.
They link the kidneys to fearand the liver to anger.
This is central to the healingphilosophy.
If the organ holds the emotionalmemory, you have to heal the
emotional block to release thephysical symptom.
SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
So let's move into the actual nursing practices
that brought all this into themainstream.
We're talking about therapeutictouch and healing touch.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
TT, therapeutic touch, was developed in the
early 70s by Dolores Krieger, aPhD nurse, and a Buddhist endor
Koons, who was president of theTheosophical Society.
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
And despite the name, it's often non-contact.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
Right.
Its acceptance by mainstreamnursing is pretty remarkable.
The method is very precise.
The nurse first centersthemselves, then they assess the
HEF by holding their hands a fewinches off the body to sense
variations.
SPEAKER_00 (08:17):
Like hot or cold spots.
SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
Or density changes, yes.
Then they unruffle or decongestthe energy, smoothing it out.
And finally they modulate orredistribute that flow to
promote balance.
It's used a lot for pain andanxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
And healing touch is a variation developed later by
nurse Janet Mengen in 81.
SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
Yes.
And the key takeaway is thatboth have achieved significant
institutional sanction.
They've been endorsed by theAmerican Holistic Nurses
Association since 1989 and areused in hospitals.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
But our sources don't shy away from the, well,
the profound metaphysical rootsof these practices.
SPEAKER_01 (08:51):
Not at all.
Both TT and HT link theirfoundations back to Western
occultism, specificallytheosophy and spiritism, and
Eastern beliefs.
The reference material oftencites theosophists like Charles
Ledbeater for the originaldiagrams of the chakras and
aura.
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
And this lineage becomes really explicit in the
advanced training.
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
It does.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
Advanced healing touch, specifically, includes
accessing higher senseperception, HSP like
clairvoyance, and clairaudience.
We've gone from NIH sanctionednursing practices to other than
human intelligences, describedas spiritual guides or angels
who perform etheric operations.
How do the sources bridge thatmonumental gap?
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
They bridge it by defining the HEF as
multidimensional.
Brennan's work is explicit aboutthis.
She shares channeled messagesfrom her guide, Heyoan, and
includes exercises forcontacting your own guides.
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
So the guides are seen as what?
Higher vibration entities.
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Who can transmit concepts and perform healing
from the fifth layer, thattemplate body, by assisting the
physical healer?
The key is removing the healer'sown mental blocks to accept
this, quote, greater reality.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
This brings us right to the central tension of this
entire field, the boundarybetween objective science and
personal perception.
SPEAKER_01 (10:06):
It really does.
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
And Brennan's work offers a concrete exercise for
this (10:09):
observing the universal life energy fields.
You lie down and gaze at a clearblue sky to see these tiny
globules of orgon.
SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
White balls with a black spot moving in squiggly
patterns.
SPEAKER_00 (10:22):
Right, and she notes they're bright and fast on a
sunny day, but fewer and slowerin a smoggy city, suggesting
they're undercharged.
SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
And this is a perfect example of that
conflict.
A student tries this and thinks,wow, I've been seeing those
squiggles my whole life.
SPEAKER_00 (10:35):
They feel like they've confirmed it.
SPEAKER_01 (10:37):
But then their friend might send them a video
from an optometrist explainingthe exact same thing as the blue
field and toptic phenomenon.
SPEAKER_00 (10:44):
Right.
Which attributes the squigglesto what?
Blood cells?
SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
White blood cells moving in the capillaries across
your retina.
SPEAKER_00 (10:50):
So what does this all mean?
The core observation isidentical.
SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Completely identical.
But the interpretation isfundamentally polarized.
Are you tapping into objective,subtle energy with higher sense
perception?
Or are you just observing aknown physiological function of
your own eyeball?
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
That is the central question.
SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
It is.
But regardless of the label, thetheoretical power of the HEF
framework remains.
The idea that every thought,every feeling you have creates
structural changes in your aura.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
And negative beliefs or repressed emotions solidify
into energy blocks, these rigidcharacter defenses that a healer
tries to transform.
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
We started with a dense stack of sources.
SPEAKER_01 (11:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:31):
Well, now we have the foundational structure of
the energy body, its sevenlayers, its seven centers, and
its links to health.
We've traced how key healingmodalities got sanctioned by
nurses.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
And we've wrestled with that profound boundary
between spiritual perception andconventional science.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
The ultimate philosophy underpinning all of
this, from ancient masters tomodern nurses, seems to be this
radical belief that the soul ormind precedes energy and that
energy precedes biology.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
Which suggests that consciousness itself is the
fundamental builder of biology,chemistry, emotions,
relationships, everything aperson experiences?
SPEAKER_00 (12:07):
And since the source material knows that a patient
has to be willing to heal, thateven the best healer can't help
someone whose own soul isblocking the process, the
profound takeaway isn't justabout whether you can manipulate
external energy fields.
The provocative thought for youis this if every single thought
and feeling fundamentally shapesyour energy field, how might a
deeper conscious awareness ofyour own emotional blocks and
(12:29):
character defenses fundamentallychange your entire experience of
reality, regardless of anyexternal scientific validation?
Something to explore on your owntime.
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