November 17, 2024 • 44 mins
What if unlocking the mysteries of your mind only required a full moon and the courage to surrender? Join us as Brian takes us through his transformative journey with plant medicine, highlighting the struggle against ego death and the pivotal role of intention-setting. He finds an anchor in the love he associates with Brittany and Marty, revealing powerful insights about love, honor, and respect. Together, we unearth the therapeutic potential of psychedelic experiences, as they connect past and present, offering years of therapy in mere hours.
Explore the profound nature of intuition as the ultimate guide to personal growth and spiritual awakening. Through metaphorical journeys of transformation, we emphasize the significance of letting go of past burdens. We reveal the interconnectedness of everything as energy and how we can see the world as a loving awareness with no judgment.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
you're listening to the love movement with your host
, britney and brian johnston.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're starting a movement centered around love to
help raise the vibration ofthis beautiful planet.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat
about many topics all centeredaround three main pillars Loving
yourself, loving each other andloving the planet.
So if you're ready, let's jumpin.
Welcome everybody.
It's episode 10.
Yeah, and we have aninteresting episode for you
today.
Some people might think what isthis podcast turning into?
(00:42):
It's about love.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's about love.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It is about love and Brian did his third plant
medicine journey yesterday on afull moon.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Definitely my deepest .
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And it was pretty intense, yeah, so we wanted to
share that with you guys in caseit gives any insight.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I wasn't sure if we were going to share this,
but I think there's a lot ofvalue here and a lot of lessons
that were shown to me that Ithink will just help people in
general.
Some pretty neat insights.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
One thing I want to say before we jump into it is if
you guys are new to the podcast, you haven't listened to any
other episodes.
Go back to episode three.
That's kind of where this wholepodcast started was.
Back in March, brian did hisfirst plant medicine journey and
I just hit record on us havinga candid conversation about it
and it turned into episode.
Well, episode one, which endsup being three on the podcast,
(01:36):
and then episode four is allabout how to do this responsibly
, because there's a lot ofmisconception with psilocybin.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and I could probably do another episode that
adds on to episode four to evenextend how to do it safely.
But one thing I guess to startwith is intentions of doing a
journey and I, you know, Icleared the energy in the room
the night before I did this inmy bedroom.
(02:04):
I cleared the energy in theroom the night before I did this
in in my bedroom and I justreally wanted to I don't know
find some blocks that I've beenhaving and I wanted to discover
those more.
I wanted to maybe reconnectwith my purpose and, um, you
know, my intentions were that Iwanted to be wrapped in like an
encompassing, loving embrace inthis journey.
And I wanted to be wrapped inlike an encompassing, loving
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embrace in this journey and Iwanted to be firm, uh, but also
gentle at the same time, and itwas definitely, it was
definitely firm.
So I, yeah, I did this, uh,about nine o'clock in the
morning, I made my wholeconcoction in a, in a shake like
a protein shake with, uh, withthe mushrooms, and by 9 30 it
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was.
I was like I was fully gone andit came on really strong.
And something I'd never hadhappened before is I had this
like feeling like I was afraidor something like I did not like
it.
It was very, it was like heavyand I wanted to stop.
I wanted to to like get out ofhere.
I'm like I feel like I'm liketrapped almost, but I also
(03:10):
wanted to keep going because Iknew what I was going to get out
of it in the end.
It was just like this insanestruggle and it was just.
It was very chaotic at thestart.
So if you don't know about whathappens in a trip usually it's
a bumpy start, um, there's athing that calls it called an
ego death, um, which is youreally have to surrender, and if
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you don't surrender to thisprocess in it, it can be a very
bad ugly trip.
And like, I knew all thesethings and I've gone through
them before, but this, I think I, I I went a little bit, uh,
bigger dose this time.
So I want to went a little bitbigger dose this time because I
wanted to go a little bit deeperand it was very heavy.
But while I was going throughthis chaotic in and out state of
(03:53):
trying to regain consciousnessand wanting to escape but also
wanting to go deep, and justthis fighting feeling that I
felt like I was almost in danger.
I found an anchor and my anchorwas Brittany and Marty.
Danger I found like an anchorand my anchor was Brittany and
Marty and I just kept going back.
It was a second anchor of loveand safety and I just had to
remind myself I'm in this saferoom, nothing's going to happen,
(04:14):
and I just kept going back inmy head to like holding you and
Marty close and this lovingembrace.
And then something weirdhappened, like right at the
start of the journey, after kindof this was going on, it was,
uh, I seen you and it was justlike centering all around you
and it was just like love andhonor and like respect this
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woman.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I like that yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It was really cool.
She's like, it was like she'slike your, like your rock, um,
just honor and cherish her.
It was really cool.
And then I seen you standingthere and it's just like all
your physicalness just kind ofwent, almost like it just got
cut into a thousand pieces andleft on the floor and you were
(04:59):
just this glowing ball.
So it's like everything thatyou could like judge about a
person went away and it was justyou as this glowing ball of
energy, this like loving light,and it just like came towards me
and once that happened, it wasa lot easier to progress.
It was very strange, um what'spart of your intention.
(05:23):
Well, I guess it was yeah,that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
To have like an anchor or a loving embrace or
whatever, and it kind of came toyou when you were feeling kind
of scared.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, so when I actually finally let go, like
when I was struggling, it's likemy whole body just dissolved
into this bed, into the bed, andeverything just kind of went
inward on this very heavyfeeling and everything just kind
of go.
It's like.
It's like you're dying and youknow you're gonna die.
So it feel, almost feels, likeyou die and then creepy but to
(05:56):
get to the other side and like,meet with, like you know, divine
light or god, or whatever youwant to call it.
This, this loving energy, andhang out with your higher self,
is like something you got to gothrough.
So once that happened, um, itstarted to get easier and I knew
(06:17):
that was the peak and how longdid all of that hard part take?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
that hard part was over an hour, for sure you had
said at one point you justwanted me to come in there or
something.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, there was a point where I wanted britney to
come in the room, and then Ithink that's when I actually
seen you in my, in my vision andjust in case you guys don't
know this um, he's laying in ourbedroom with an eye mask on and
headphones with a curatedplaylist yeah just to like set
the tone of what this actuallylooks like.
But honestly, like you, havingthat scary early experience,
(06:51):
which is something you've neverhad before, makes me more
terrified to do mine right nowum, yeah, and I realized what it
was after and, like, lookingback at the time, it was scary,
but I would do that all again toget what I got.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Like you said, it was the hardest thing you've ever
done.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I was just struggling because I didn't want
to give it up.
I didn't want to give up this.
Like my consciousness, I wanted, I didn't want to lose that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So what exactly is happening in your brain when all
this is going on?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, like, what do you?
What do, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
like I just think people that don't know a lot
about this.
It's like is it like it opensup different pathways in your
brain so that your braincommunicates with different
parts of your brain?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
like yeah, so what's happening is your brain is very
compartmentalized, like youreyesight and your hearing and
your touch and everything right.
It's compartmentalized.
So what it's doing?
It's kind of creating bridgesto every part of your brain
where you can, like see sound,for instance.
It's very cool, like there'sparts in this where I was
(07:55):
literally dancing as like anenergetic being, through waves
of sound.
Like in this 3, 4d space it was.
It's hard to explain.
It's so cool, though, wow thatis cool yeah, it's very cool.
That's the reason that you putan eye mask on, so you don't
(08:18):
have external stimulation.
It's all inward work right,which makes it therapeutic and
you guys.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
He was in that bedroom from nine until like
four yeah, after four, I thinkit's.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Six to eight hours is a an average journey.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
That was way longer than I'd been in there before
yeah, like before you had beenout at like 2, 2, 30, and also
the first time you did it like.
I mean, you cried and cried andcried and cried and it was like
all these years of therapy inone session, whereas this one
you said it was so hard, thengot so good, but you didn't cry
at all I had no tears.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I had a few, like a little bit of tears, um like
welling up my eyes of like joyat the end right um okay, we'll
keep going with where whathappened?
what happened next when you gotto kind of like the peak and you
got through that, um, yeah, soonce, once I knew it would get
easier, um, you know, there wasall these random thoughts and
(09:14):
it's confusing and I realizedthat that first part that was so
hard, it was me just likeshedding, like stuck energy,
like I couldn't get to thishigher place and be in this pure
space with the you know thedivine or whatever you want to
(09:34):
call it, with carrying all thislike baggage that I've been
collecting on myself.
So I just had to get rid of allthis garbage energy.
That's why everything was sochaotic, like it was so random
and weird, like I've never hadanything like that before.
It wasn't nothing, was likereally scary and like hard to
visualize.
There was none of that stuff.
It was just like a weirdfeeling Heavy feeling is how I
(09:57):
could describe the start.
But once I got through that thathard part, I knew, like I said,
it would get easier.
Got through that that hard part, um, I knew, like I said it
would get easier.
But, yeah, I just pictured Ihad this visual visualization of
a pile of garbage laying in thecorner of the bedroom and it
was just like me sheddingeverything that had been stuck
on me, like that I've collectedin this like 3d world.
(10:19):
It was so strange.
That's such a cool visual.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, it was very neat because we all are really
carrying around bags of garbage,yeah, and we pick it up
everywhere, whether we want toor not.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Everything you watch, everything you see, people you
go around like it's this wholeworld is really energy, and
that's one of the things Ireally got to this trip is how
everything is energy.
Um so, uh, I I got a lot ofnotes here, guys.
I'm not even done.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
He's not even a writer, you guys, and he has
wrote a lot during this becauseintegration is such a huge part
of getting the value out of it.
And I would say, like you said,doing a journey to that degree
you'd only do probably every sixmonths, because it's I mean, he
was so exhausted yesterday Ithought, you know, he slept all
night.
He woke up for like a couplehours and then he started his
(11:10):
trip and he was in the bedroomfor another seven hours.
I thought like he's going to beup till midnight.
He's going to be so rested andwired.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Your mind never works that hard in daily life, no
matter what you're doing.
His watch thought that he had athree and a half hour nap, yeah,
and I said I went into REMsleep too.
That's wild, Um, but this wholetime when I, while I was
struggling, struggling, I knewthere was going to be um, like
pure love at some point, Causethat's kind of like the theme of
(11:36):
of mushrooms is is pure love,Um.
So I went, uh, oh, once, oncethat happened and I broke
through and I had this like thisego death and I felt like I
died.
I was so hot, I was sweating, Iwas a thousand degrees.
It was just the most crazything.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's never happened to you before.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, like I've been warm, but not like that that was
.
That was something else.
So at this point I had Istarted looking back at myself
as a little boy when I was aboutthree and I was watching myself
.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Which is the age of our son.
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, and I just remember looking at myself and I
was just wondering, like hadlike a he I was really cared for
.
But had I ever been like loved,like really really loved, like
like we are with Marty and I?
I wasn't sure.
So I was just I was givingmyself all this, this love and
affection to my like youngerself.
And that's nice, yeah, and I,it just made me really smile.
(12:37):
So that was a turning point inin the whole journey and then I
started like just going throughthese times in my life and I
found myself in.
I was about 13 ish, 14 yearsold and I was in the uh, I was
actually going to the bathroom.
I saw him stand there going tothe bathroom and this is a
(13:00):
picture like you're watchingsomeone from behind stand in a
toilet taking a leak right.
And this point like I'll giveyou a little bit of backstory.
When I was that age, I had thispoint in the bathroom where I
was just going to go to aconditioning camp, a hockey
(13:20):
conditioning camp thing and Iwas going to the bathroom I was
like I don't want to go, I don'twant to go right now.
Everything inside me said don'tgo today, skip it and go
another time.
And then another part of me waslike, well, you can go.
Like you can get better bydoing this, like you can do hard
things like just push through,just go, and what?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
are you wearing?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
your gut, ignoring my gut.
So what had actually happenedthat day on the ice is?
I crashed in the boards.
I broke forward, vertebrae inmy mid-back between my shoulder
blades and thought he wasparalyzed.
I was paralyzed on the ice fora period of time, but completely
changed everything in my lifeat that point yeah, it was back
pain ever since it's insanelyscary.
(14:02):
But what I realized in my visionwhile I was watching myself
have this moment, I was likewhat is it?
What's your intuition?
That was the first time Iremember having an intuition and
a gut feeling about something.
Your tug, your true ultimateguide, is what our mentors
called it.
It and, uh, very similar to mylast journey.
(14:29):
When I found something likethat.
I was like huh, just from like a, like a curious awareness.
I was like I want to know moreabout that.
And in front of me, like abovethe toilet picture like a little
hurricane kind of sideways, andyou're looking at the top of it
, kind of like a picture on thewall, and it's just like sitting
there spinning, there's a dotin the middle and I was like I
want to know more about this,this intuition.
Where does that come from?
Where does that go?
And I went into that dot andboom, I was on the other side,
(14:54):
just like I was in my, my otherreally big journey, and I was in
this infinite blackness andthat's where, like, the divine
is like your higher self, likewhere you felt squeezed with
love, like you mentioned lasttime.
Yeah I was squeezed with lovelast time and I was in um, I was
in this space again and didn'tyou say you came at it from like
(15:15):
a different part of your house?
Yeah, oddly enough, thebathroom is right beside my
bedroom, where I was in thecloset last time this happened,
in the closet backs time thishappened, and the closet backs
the bathroom.
They're like five feet apart.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So it's almost like a seems like a wormhole.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
There's like a portal in there.
So a theme in every journeythat I've had is it's bumpy at
the start, it's hard.
You go through this like egodeath, what they call it and
then you search for a point oflike interest that you need to
investigate and you go into itand then it's the breakthrough,
(15:54):
and now is when the workactually starts wow.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So you really have to be willing to like, get, like
I'm like what if I can't getthrough the hard stuff?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
and I just like get stuck in the heart and get
through okay I'll be there withyou, don't you worry stay tuned
for that episode maybe yeah.
So now, now we can begin.
So I was going through my lifefrom there at places where, uh,
this intuitive power camethrough and and one of the other
really, really clear days thatthis happened was back in high
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school.
I think I talked, we talkedabout it on our journey, about
our episode, about how we met,and it was a day of a strike at
our high school and, oddlyenough, my all of these kids are
walking to this place where thestrike was going to happen on
the sidewalk.
My car, I was driving my carwith my buddy, my car died.
I got out of the car kind ofcloser to the back of this you
(16:50):
know pack of kids walking downthe sidewalk and down the hill.
I was looking for Brittany andI pointed her out.
There was hundreds and hundredsof people there and I just knew
I had to go and find her andtalk to her.
That day was like odd, but thatwas my intuition.
That was my intuition.
There's been lots of othertimes where I've followed my
intuition, but it's like one ofthose things where you, if you
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don't use it, you lose it.
You lose it.
It's always there, but we haveto.
It's like, it's like a skillyou have to hone and I think at
a young age we're given thismore but we ignore it because of
society and stuff and we losethat intuition.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's deep, that's a deep lesson.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, so one of the things I wanted to know was,
like, what was holding me backin life and how is this
intuition involved in this?
These are like thoughts you'rehaving in your head, guys, and
there's so many, so manythoughts that go on your head
like I did.
I can't regurgitate all of it,um, but this was the the thought
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process I was having at thetime and I think this is all in
the right order.
But so I ended up I was a bird,I was like a hawk in a nest and
in front of me, you know, I wasway up high and there was kind
of like this like rock wallthing in front of me and, you
know, I could hear the music.
The music was playing and Itried to jump out of the nest
and I could see my wings.
I didn't have hands, I had likegray wings.
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It was really cool, and I triedto jump out of this, this nest,
and I couldn't.
It was like I was hitting thisinvisible wall and and just go
like you want to fly.
You're born to fly and I justjumped off that edge, through
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this barrier and oh, this ismaking me almost emotional and I
was flying like a bird um overeverything.
It was the most freeing feelingwhen, like when people talk
about freedom like that, wasthat felt like freedom wow right
there and I was just flyingabove everything and I I was
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like a loving awareness.
I could see everything happeningbelow me and I was just aware
of everything happening.
Um, but it was from like apoint of love.
It was very cool and like whenyou think about a bird, birds
have this direct path places, soa bird can land here and then
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it can fly to that point and itcan fly to that point.
And then I had this vision ofwalking on a gravel path.
So I'm like a human again.
I'm walking on a gravel path.
It's, you know, it's flat, it'sclear, there's like trees on
both sides and kind of in theforest on this flat gravel path
and I should be able to walkeasily.
But what I was doing, I wasreaching behind myself and
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grabbing big rocks and sticksand all this crap and I kept
throwing it in front of me.
We do in life we take all ourgarbage from the past, all our
experiences, all the hardship,and we keep bringing it up and
putting it in our way to makeour life hard.
Oh, my gosh, when all we got todo is walk or be bird and just
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go from place to place.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You didn't cry during your journey, but you were
getting emotional place.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
you didn't cry during your journey, but you were
getting emotional well, it's.
It's different now when youreflect on it and be like wow,
that was actually really reallycrazy.
So, yeah, you bring your pastand into your path and you've
struck all your progress.
Wow, so just decide to be abird.
And then, um, now I was in thisreally cool space where I'm
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like an infinite blackness again.
Okay, and there's these likepoints on, like infinite
blackness, meaning like.
You're not a person, you're nota physical being, you're just
like just picture in a blackroom, picture this picture space
okay and there's little clumpshere and clumps there and
between all these little pointsare straight lines and I'm a
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bird now and I can fly frompoint to point easily straight.
There's no obstructions onthese points.
But I can also travel throughtime.
I can travel back in time andsee things.
I can travel forwards, I cantravel sideways, I can go
anywhere I want in this like ohmy.
God, this is is insane in thistime grid, because time doesn't
exist time doesn't exist it's,and when you understand quantum
(21:17):
physics and all this stuff.
That's a whole other broadcasttime doesn't really exist.
We're just experiencing it onthis earth because we're in like
a 3d state.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
This stuff gets deep but you can't make it up no,
this is probably why our son'sname is mart and you're obsessed
with Back to the Future.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So what else do we got here so I kept trying to
explain.
This is a weird thing.
So, because we have a podcastnow and people want to know
about this, I kept trying toexplain what was happening in my
head or figure out what washappening so I could explain it
in the podcast, in the podcastand stuff, and I was just trying
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to tell myself to just likeshut up and just observe and
quit trying to figure everythingout and quit trying to explain,
just be present.
And then I got this.
This is the crazy part.
I got this really clear messageand it was just shut, the fuck
up.
And then it wasn't just for me,it was like a message for
humanity.
It was shut the fuck up and whatthat ended up meaning.
(22:28):
It was like I had thisexperiment that the whole planet
was doing, because everyone isalways talking.
Everyone is always um, they'recommenting on stuff you know,
letting their opinion known,their um everything.
You know how.
Everyone's talking abouteverything.
People on the news, radio, likepoliticians.
Everyone's bitching aboutsomething and complaining.
(22:50):
Like there's this everyonetrying to be right about their
view and perspective and whenyou're talking, you can't, you
can't take anything in, youcan't absorb, and the whole
universe is like this, thisloving awareness, and we, or
this, like divine energy and wecan't take it in.
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We get further away from itbecause we're always talking.
So the experiment that I waslike conducting in my head was
like everyone everywhere.
So there's there's no planes inthe air, there's no boats on
the water, there's no carsdriving.
Everyone's like at home or onthe grass or in the forest or
wherever.
Nobody is talking.
If you turn on the TV, there'dbe like a news anchor there and
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he's just sitting there.
And you turn, go to a YouTubelive or something like that
Instagram live, and someone'sjust sitting there and everyone
has this like little smile ontheir face and every single
person is just this lovingawareness.
There's no fighting, there's nobombs being dropped, there's no
conflict.
It was just the whole world atpeace, it was just the most
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tranquil thing and it was justthe whole world at the same time
.
Just complete silence, nothinghappening, everyone just
observing in this lovingawareness.
And then I got this messageit's like what now?
Where your mind goes to, whileyou're just sitting there, being
in this loving awareness of whoyou truly are.
And then I'm sitting in thisnice warm yellow sunshine on the
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edge of a forest in like somegrassy stuff, watching a
caterpillar, and that's what I'mdoing.
I'm just observing thiscaterpillar.
Marty's been talking a lotabout caterpillars lately.
It's weird that when you toldme that.
I was like what?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
This kid's obsessed with caterpillars.
I had that caterpillar on myhand the other day and I'm like
I don't even like caterpillars.
There's things climbing on myhand.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So I feel like that was kind of a neat little
coincidence.
So it's just like appreciatingwhat's in front of you at all
times.
It was the neatest thing.
But that's an experiment thatyou can do yourself.
Just sit there in like a lovingawareness, with no judgment of
anything, and just likeappreciate something and like
where does your mind go, and Ithink that'll tell you a lot
about yourself.
Pretty simple for me.
I'm just like it's prettysimple for me.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'm just like it's pretty accurate for you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I just want to be in nature and just be in its
presence and soak it up, andit's just a great place.
Love that.
So I'd asked about my purposeat this point and I got.
It was very strange.
It was like just you need toshare this, you need to share,
(25:39):
like, speak this and share thisand get people to understand.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Like this what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Like this message and it was like how do I do that?
And it's like, just how you'redoing it, like right now, just
get it out there, but maybe moreRight.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
So share this podcast .
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
If you're listening Because that's the thing I
always joke with you is likeyou're just so in your head all
the time, like you have thoughtsand thoughts and thoughts and
thoughts, but you're alwaysquiet, you're always the
observer, you're always nevertalking.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And that came up in this too, and it's because I'm
more of an awareness than I am,like I don't need to speak my
mind about everything.
I'm not a person.
If there's some something goingon on Facebook, I'll never
leave a comment.
I'm never going to leave acomment about anything unless
it's something positive.
Like someone found this reallycool mushroom the other day, I'm
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like, oh, that's amazing.
Or somebody did somethingreally good.
I'm like, oh, good for you.
Like I'll just, if it's gonna,if I'm gonna say something, it's
gonna be something positive.
I'm never gonna put negativityout in the world and that's what
.
Like social media is everyonejust putting each other down and
and, yeah, it's just, that's abad energy.
That's why politics are sodividing yeah yeah, I, I don't
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like that.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So you're sharing the good message yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
So you just, I just gotta, I just gotta share this
message.
Um, what else do we got here?
Um, I guess, yeah, most of mytrip was just being this loving
awareness, and a lot of it wasdetaching yourself from what you
were seeing, so like someonewould come up and I could, just
I could decide if I wanted to godown that road or no, and
sometimes I'd be like, no,that's not for me, I don't want,
I don't want to, I don't wantto look at that.
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It wasn't anything bad, I don'tthink it's not like something I
needed to explore, just like,oh, that's not enough for me,
and I just moved on to somethingelse.
So that was kind of cool.
You kind of had that control,that control in there, um,
something, what I had, thisreally neat vision of there were
so many rainbows, because whenyou're in this space and you
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realize everything is energy,you're getting all these
visualizations and it's very.
The colors are very rainbowlike.
When I took a lower dose, therewas a lot of like green purples
and blues, but on this dose Icould see green purples, blues,
like yellows, like a fullrainbow, orange like.
It was like a full spectrumthis time.
So I don't know if I just like,went further in and I just
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realizing that everything isenergy and being around,
frequency.
Um, as a kid, when I wanted tobe, you know, I was a d.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Right and.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I was just immersed in frequency all the time and
music makes you happy it canmake you happy if you're on the
right frequencies, and it's cool, people actually make music
these days that are tuned tospecific frequencies to make you
feel a certain way Right.
It's like a science to it,which is pretty neat.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Talk about the part where you were dancing.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Dancing In the music or something.
Oh well, I kind of did already,didn't he?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
yeah, he didn't really explain it like how you
were telling me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, it was like you could like see the vibration of
the music you can see, like ifthere's like a beat or something
going on in the song, it itrepresented in your mind as like
a physical thing, and it was.
It was just coming at me and Iwas just like moving through it
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and weaving through it.
I was like picture yourselflike on a highway and everything
on the highway is like hurlingtowards you, like you're going
the wrong way on a highway, okay, and you're just weaving in and
out, up and down, side to side.
It was like a good feeling, itwas an amazing feeling.
It's just like you're just inthis amazing flow and you're
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just like soaking it all up.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Maybe that was the message was that you were in the
flow.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
It was very cool.
There was a lot of love, um, inthe journey.
At the end, um, so many neatpoints connected and like I
don't even remember all thethings that happened, like I
still got to go through this alittle bit more.
I don't even know if I'llremember them, but every time
you made a connection ofsomething like a really deep
connection, when you put twothings together from your life,
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this overwhelming feeling wouldcome over my body.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Every single time I made this connection, like a
rush of energy, or how do youdescribe it?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, like a rush of energy like a wave through my
whole body.
Every single time it was veryneat and it was something I
noticed continuously, like everytime I had that this feeling
would happen.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
It was almost like affirmation of yes, that's the
connection.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, but it's like the energy was just like flowing
your body.
Cool, it was very neat.
But the connections wouldhappen and you would visualize
it as like a line going from onepoint like outside of the
universe and back inside theuniverse to another point and
they would connect.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It was so trippy, like in this back vast blackness
of space gosh, that is like soweird and cool all at the same
time yeah, it was very cool.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
something else, a couple other neat things that
happened is so I'm sitting inbasically a dark room with this
eye mask on, I'm laying on mybed and I would get these
visualizations of, like, thewalls in my house disappearing
and yellow, bright sunshinecoming into my room and I would
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see it.
Wow, that's divine light.
Yeah, it was.
It was very neat and ithappened like a few times.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
This was closer to the start and the crazy part
about this is you did this on afull moon and you did this after
the 11-11 portal.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and like, the other weird thing is, I'm always
looking for, you know, magicmushrooms out in the forest, and
last year I ended up findingthem right in our front yard
after I'd been looking all overthe countryside for them.
Yeah, but we went for a walk onthe day before on this trail
that I walk and I bike on allthe time, and so we're walking,
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I look down and there's a littlepatch of magic mushrooms right
there growing in the forest.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And they're tiny, you guys.
They're tiny, like the size ofyour pinky fingernail.
They're tiny, but I'm justsaying that because the fact
that you found them was crazy.
Yeah, because there's so manymushrooms when you walk here,
especially this time of year.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Ridiculous amounts but I've never found them before
like that kind.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I've never found that I'm freaking out because I'm
like, what if it's not that?
Because the next thing you'resaying that's uh, what are the
deadly ones called?
Oh a gallerina which is knownas like a funeral bell, which is
toxic, and they grow here toowell, yeah, you literally point
one out, and then over thereyou're like and there's the one
I'm gonna put in my shakestomorrow morning.
I'm like no, you're not so Iconfirmed it was.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I threw that in my shake, so I did have some, and I
wonder how mushrooms do youthink that that made the journey
different?
I think everything makes ajourney different physiology um,
what you ate that day, how youfeel, how you slept um, like a
thousand things well, becauseyou wanted to do this journey on
the first, wasn't it?
initially I did, and you weren'tfeeling good that day so you
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were like, nope, not doing it,yeah, you gotta feel good, like,
don't do this when you'rehungover.
Uh, don't do this when you'retired, when you're sick, um,
yeah, don't take mushroom, ordon't take a kind of mushroom
you're never not experiencedwith, you know one go low and
slow as low and slow.
I definitely start with a, alower dose, just before you go
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into which is what I have doneand that's why, when I do a
bigger one, I'll hopefully havea good experience.
But uh, there's one other reallycool thing that happened.
Um, every time I yawned oh yeah, this part, and yawning is just
the most amazing thing whenyou're you're in this trip.
Like you yawn so big, likebigger than you do on a normal
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day, but every time I did that Igot just a flood of energy in
my body.
It was was neat.
It was every single time.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So do you think that's why people yawn?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, how it was explained to me was it's like
pure energy, pure light, justlike entering your body and just
almost like recharging you.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's so interesting because when you yawn, you're
tired.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was very neat.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I was actually thinking about that Cause I was
laying in bed with Marty justbefore this yawning and I was
like.
I was thinking about what youhad told me yesterday about this
.
It's like I mean, that's why weyawn.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, I want to.
I want to go back to when I wastalking about being a bird.
So I, when I got to go to thebathroom for the second time,
wash my hands and I go out intoback into the bedroom and my
back has been pretty sore.
So I grabbed our, our big likefoam roller thing and I was
rolling on my back and I got upin front of, uh, our big like
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stand-up mirror thing and Irealized I hadn't looked at
myself in the mirror yet.
This, this journey, becauselooking yourself in the mirror
is like, it's very neat.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I even remember that yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So I'm standing there in front of the mirror and I
have the, the roller behind myback, I'm one hand on each side
and my hands I'm stretching myhands over my back, kind of and
I look at myself in the mirrorand I start going side to side
and I'm like holy shit, I'm abird right now.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Looking at myself.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm like so cool, I'm like flying as a bird, and then
I just I look at myself likedead in the eyes.
My face is right up against themirror and I felt like, for
like the first time in my life,I'm like really looking at
myself.
And I'm looking at myself deadin the eyes and just as like
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like a energy being.
It was very neat and I justfound myself just loving myself
and just smiling atmyselfazement with just me, and
(35:42):
it just it felt very well lovingfor sure, but it was just like
freeing.
It's like why do we have tojudge ourselves for everything?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
When you told me this yesterday, I said it reminds me
of when I did the like the onegram or whatever, and I went to
the bathroom and I looked atmyself in the mirror and I felt
like I.
It was a lion looking at me,like it was me, but it was like
this, fierce, like lion, likeenergy, so I know what you mean
about.
Like looking in the mirroryourself when you have
psilocybin in your body, which Ican't imagine.
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Like I feel like you, just yousee, like your true spirit, and
I heard, because I rememberlooking at myself thinking like,
okay, no, that's me, but likethat's not me, and it was like
the like I just heard, literallyheard me say to me I've always
been here yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You got to realize like your physical body isn't
you, you can lose your hands andyour arms and everything that's
not you.
Your body isn't you.
You are like an energy, beinglike for real that's your soul
so that that was.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It was a very deep point, and you know it's
interesting when you say that,like because we put so much
emphasis on our external body,but it's like that's not even
the part we should be focusingon at all.
No, like, why are we allfocused on our outsides and our
this procedure and thatprocedure, and how skinny are
you and how good do you look inthose clothes?
Like let's work on the insides.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And how beautiful of a world would this be yeah, I
think that's part of the beautyof the plant medicine, is it?
It takes all the physical stuffaway.
Yeah wow, it's so good and youjust see life for what it is.
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing,anything else oh man, what else
can I say?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I just, those are some big messages.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, there's some really big message in there for
humanity.
I think the neat thing aboutthis is when you're connected to
, like this divine intelligenceand your higher self, everyone
can connect to it.
It's all the same thing.
You just have to get there andyou have to want to get there.
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And this is like some people cando this kind of stuff without
mushrooms, because like breathwork um well, if you're doing
breath work, you're doing a minidmt trip which your body, your
brain, can make naturally right.
Um so it can, it can take youthere as well, but some people
can do this just through insanemeditation and stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
What's the difference between doing therapeutic like
psilocybin versus ayahuasca?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
um ayahuasca you only want to do in a ceremonial
setting yeah, you wouldn't bedoing it.
No, you need a shaman, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's supposed to be deeper than mushrooms but not
according to the podcast youlisten to.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
No, I just listened to a podcast today where this
person had done four ayahuascajourneys and they just did a
mushroom journey, and it was.
The mushroom journey was waydeeper than the ayahuasca ones.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
But everyone's interesting, everyone's
different do you think you'llexplore ayahuasca eventually?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
oh yeah, definitely, and like it just seems weird,
people still have this thingaround mushrooms and it just
being this drug but we've beenconditioned yes, it's, it's.
It's like it's been put in thesame category.
No, it's this insane personalgrowth, soul development tool
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that, like I, was one personexplained it as cheat codes
thrown on there's.
They're on every continent,except for, I think, antarctica.
They're on every continent, sothey're everywhere.
Cheat codes thrown on it?
There's, they're on everycontinent, except for, I think,
antarctica.
They're on every continent, sothey're everywhere Cheat codes
and they're cheat codes for theuniverse in, like this you know,
this matrix, that we're in thissimulation, and it's just helps
you reach your higher self andlike, if you, if you want to
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grow personally and knowyourself more and know more
about the universe and energy,like this is it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
So maybe that's what this episode and episode three
maybe had helped you with isjust yeah, and I was very
against this until I startedlearning more, because I had
only heard about it from arecreational party standpoint.
But once I learned that, ohpeople, people grow from this.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, yeah.
So if any of this likeinterests you, um, definitely
reach out.
If there's questions, feel freeto ask and, um, maybe it'll
inspire you to do your own.
I mean, we're here truly havethis podcast, because I heard a
friend of mine talk about herplant medicine journey on her
podcast and I was like I think Iwant to do mushrooms and
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brian's, like what says the girlwho's never done a drug in her
life, but then realizing it'sit's plant medicine, like it
grows in the ground, it's free.
Big pharma can't make money onit, so of course let's put it in
the pile of it's drug.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
So I did I did have one other thing that came up, uh
, for a second time on thesecond journey is, uh, I had
this vision of chickens and justhow amazing of a creature they
were, and just what we do tothem was just it's so horrible.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Especially after watching the Netflix documentary
you Are what you Eat.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, that's just one of them.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh, my God yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
So it just kind of reaffirmed that I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's like humans are so inhumane.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
There's nothing humane about humans, that's a
good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Oh my gosh, before we wrap this up, is there anything
else you want to say?
Because I feel like we wrap itup and then you're like I forgot
to say that.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh, you know, I'm sure there's tons of things I
forgot to say.
Um, I guess one thing I noticedon this journey from the first
one is there was this familiarfamiliarity being in this space
again and there the almost likea welcoming presence, just like
you're getting back here.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
And pieces of my last trip were kind of in this one,
because I was kind of exploringthe same place, but it from a
different point of view so doyou think from the last I mean
you're, you're you've done thistwice, but I feel like the one
you did in June didn't really goas you had planned.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
No, yeah, it didn't go as planned.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
The one in March where we did episode three from
was like.
To me feels like the first realjourney.
Yeah, so with all theintegration since March, it's
now November.
Do you feel like it'spercolating in your life?
It's showing up in other places?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I would say so.
I said every every time.
Um you get some insight.
Well, you can't see the worldthe same again yeah, you can't
unsee what you saw in thosejourneys yeah I definitely walk
in my day-to-day life looking ateverything completely different
well, even I do from that whatis it?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
our date night episode whatever episode, that
was where that was the firsttime I experienced doing
psilocybin at all and it was avery low dose.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
But I still even go back to things I saw and
visualizations that I had andI'm like I can't unsee that one
of the biggest things I've takenaway is just, you know, trying
to walk through life in a placeof no judgment and just seeing
everyone as well.
I've seen it in this trip.
I've seen you as just like anenergy being.
There is no, there's nothing tojudge, you're just a loving
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ball of light.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Thank you, you glow, babe no judging.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well, that was good.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Thanks for sharing that, and I think that anybody
listening will have gained forsharing that, and I think that
anybody listening will havegained something from that and
maybe even inspired themselvesto be on that journey themselves
yeah, so check out that, checkout that experiment I proposed
for yourself yeah and just see,see what you think.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, exactly, where does your mind?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
go when you sit in that silence yep I like to think
my nose to the beach, can likehear the waves crashing in the
sun on me.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, so do that and be a bird.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Be a bird, go from point to point.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yes, leave all your BS behind A bird is easier.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
We've got a month and a half to close out this year
and you don't need to wait tillthe new year to set a goal or to
set an intention.
It's like, yes, be a bird, gofrom this point to that point
and get something done by theend of the year.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Okay, love you guys.
Thanks for listening to myramblings.
Yeah, appreciate you andeveryone.
Stay awesome.
Okay, bye, everybody, peace.
you're listening to the love movement with your host
, britney and brian johnston.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're starting a movement centered around love to
help raise the vibration ofthis beautiful planet.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat
about many topics all centeredaround three main pillars Loving
yourself, loving each other andloving the planet.
So if you're ready, let's jumpin.
Welcome everybody.
It's episode 10.
Yeah, and we have aninteresting episode for you
today.
Some people might think what isthis podcast turning into?
(00:42):
It's about love.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's about love.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It is about love and Brian did his third plant
medicine journey yesterday on afull moon.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Definitely my deepest .
Speaker 1 (00:54):
And it was pretty intense, yeah, so we wanted to
share that with you guys in caseit gives any insight.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, I wasn't sure if we were going to share this,
but I think there's a lot ofvalue here and a lot of lessons
that were shown to me that Ithink will just help people in
general.
Some pretty neat insights.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
One thing I want to say before we jump into it is if
you guys are new to the podcast, you haven't listened to any
other episodes.
Go back to episode three.
That's kind of where this wholepodcast started was.
Back in March, brian did hisfirst plant medicine journey and
I just hit record on us havinga candid conversation about it
and it turned into episode.
Well, episode one, which endsup being three on the podcast,
(01:36):
and then episode four is allabout how to do this responsibly
, because there's a lot ofmisconception with psilocybin.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, and I could probably do another episode that
adds on to episode four to evenextend how to do it safely.
But one thing I guess to startwith is intentions of doing a
journey and I, you know, Icleared the energy in the room
the night before I did this inmy bedroom.
(02:04):
I cleared the energy in theroom the night before I did this
in in my bedroom and I justreally wanted to I don't know
find some blocks that I've beenhaving and I wanted to discover
those more.
I wanted to maybe reconnectwith my purpose and, um, you
know, my intentions were that Iwanted to be wrapped in like an
encompassing, loving embrace inthis journey.
And I wanted to be wrapped inlike an encompassing, loving
(02:25):
embrace in this journey and Iwanted to be firm, uh, but also
gentle at the same time, and itwas definitely, it was
definitely firm.
So I, yeah, I did this, uh,about nine o'clock in the
morning, I made my wholeconcoction in a, in a shake like
a protein shake with, uh, withthe mushrooms, and by 9 30 it
(02:46):
was.
I was like I was fully gone andit came on really strong.
And something I'd never hadhappened before is I had this
like feeling like I was afraidor something like I did not like
it.
It was very, it was like heavyand I wanted to stop.
I wanted to to like get out ofhere.
I'm like I feel like I'm liketrapped almost, but I also
(03:10):
wanted to keep going because Iknew what I was going to get out
of it in the end.
It was just like this insanestruggle and it was just.
It was very chaotic at thestart.
So if you don't know about whathappens in a trip usually it's
a bumpy start, um, there's athing that calls it called an
ego death, um, which is youreally have to surrender, and if
(03:31):
you don't surrender to thisprocess in it, it can be a very
bad ugly trip.
And like, I knew all thesethings and I've gone through
them before, but this, I think I, I I went a little bit, uh,
bigger dose this time.
So I want to went a little bitbigger dose this time because I
wanted to go a little bit deeperand it was very heavy.
But while I was going throughthis chaotic in and out state of
(03:53):
trying to regain consciousnessand wanting to escape but also
wanting to go deep, and justthis fighting feeling that I
felt like I was almost in danger.
I found an anchor and my anchorwas Brittany and Marty.
Danger I found like an anchorand my anchor was Brittany and
Marty and I just kept going back.
It was a second anchor of loveand safety and I just had to
remind myself I'm in this saferoom, nothing's going to happen,
(04:14):
and I just kept going back inmy head to like holding you and
Marty close and this lovingembrace.
And then something weirdhappened, like right at the
start of the journey, after kindof this was going on, it was,
uh, I seen you and it was justlike centering all around you
and it was just like love andhonor and like respect this
(04:37):
woman.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I like that yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It was really cool.
She's like, it was like she'slike your, like your rock, um,
just honor and cherish her.
It was really cool.
And then I seen you standingthere and it's just like all
your physicalness just kind ofwent, almost like it just got
cut into a thousand pieces andleft on the floor and you were
(04:59):
just this glowing ball.
So it's like everything thatyou could like judge about a
person went away and it was justyou as this glowing ball of
energy, this like loving light,and it just like came towards me
and once that happened, it wasa lot easier to progress.
It was very strange, um what'spart of your intention.
(05:23):
Well, I guess it was yeah,that's right.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
To have like an anchor or a loving embrace or
whatever, and it kind of came toyou when you were feeling kind
of scared.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, so when I actually finally let go, like
when I was struggling, it's likemy whole body just dissolved
into this bed, into the bed, andeverything just kind of went
inward on this very heavyfeeling and everything just kind
of go.
It's like.
It's like you're dying and youknow you're gonna die.
So it feel, almost feels, likeyou die and then creepy but to
(05:56):
get to the other side and like,meet with, like you know, divine
light or god, or whatever youwant to call it.
This, this loving energy, andhang out with your higher self,
is like something you got to gothrough.
So once that happened, um, itstarted to get easier and I knew
(06:17):
that was the peak and how longdid all of that hard part take?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
that hard part was over an hour, for sure you had
said at one point you justwanted me to come in there or
something.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, there was a point where I wanted britney to
come in the room, and then Ithink that's when I actually
seen you in my, in my vision andjust in case you guys don't
know this um, he's laying in ourbedroom with an eye mask on and
headphones with a curatedplaylist yeah just to like set
the tone of what this actuallylooks like.
But honestly, like you, havingthat scary early experience,
(06:51):
which is something you've neverhad before, makes me more
terrified to do mine right nowum, yeah, and I realized what it
was after and, like, lookingback at the time, it was scary,
but I would do that all again toget what I got.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Like you said, it was the hardest thing you've ever
done.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I was just struggling because I didn't want
to give it up.
I didn't want to give up this.
Like my consciousness, I wanted, I didn't want to lose that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So what exactly is happening in your brain when all
this is going on?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, like, what do you?
What do, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
like I just think people that don't know a lot
about this.
It's like is it like it opensup different pathways in your
brain so that your braincommunicates with different
parts of your brain?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
like yeah, so what's happening is your brain is very
compartmentalized, like youreyesight and your hearing and
your touch and everything right.
It's compartmentalized.
So what it's doing?
It's kind of creating bridgesto every part of your brain
where you can, like see sound,for instance.
It's very cool, like there'sparts in this where I was
(07:55):
literally dancing as like anenergetic being, through waves
of sound.
Like in this 3, 4d space it was.
It's hard to explain.
It's so cool, though, wow thatis cool yeah, it's very cool.
That's the reason that you putan eye mask on, so you don't
(08:18):
have external stimulation.
It's all inward work right,which makes it therapeutic and
you guys.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
He was in that bedroom from nine until like
four yeah, after four, I thinkit's.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Six to eight hours is a an average journey.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
That was way longer than I'd been in there before
yeah, like before you had beenout at like 2, 2, 30, and also
the first time you did it like.
I mean, you cried and cried andcried and cried and it was like
all these years of therapy inone session, whereas this one
you said it was so hard, thengot so good, but you didn't cry
at all I had no tears.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I had a few, like a little bit of tears, um like
welling up my eyes of like joyat the end right um okay, we'll
keep going with where whathappened?
what happened next when you gotto kind of like the peak and you
got through that, um, yeah, soonce, once I knew it would get
easier, um, you know, there wasall these random thoughts and
(09:14):
it's confusing and I realizedthat that first part that was so
hard, it was me just likeshedding, like stuck energy,
like I couldn't get to thishigher place and be in this pure
space with the you know thedivine or whatever you want to
(09:34):
call it, with carrying all thislike baggage that I've been
collecting on myself.
So I just had to get rid of allthis garbage energy.
That's why everything was sochaotic, like it was so random
and weird, like I've never hadanything like that before.
It wasn't nothing, was likereally scary and like hard to
visualize.
There was none of that stuff.
It was just like a weirdfeeling Heavy feeling is how I
(09:57):
could describe the start.
But once I got through that thathard part, I knew, like I said,
it would get easier.
Got through that that hard part, um, I knew, like I said it
would get easier.
But, yeah, I just pictured Ihad this visual visualization of
a pile of garbage laying in thecorner of the bedroom and it
was just like me sheddingeverything that had been stuck
on me, like that I've collectedin this like 3d world.
(10:19):
It was so strange.
That's such a cool visual.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, it was very neat because we all are really
carrying around bags of garbage,yeah, and we pick it up
everywhere, whether we want toor not.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Everything you watch, everything you see, people you
go around like it's this wholeworld is really energy, and
that's one of the things Ireally got to this trip is how
everything is energy.
Um so, uh, I I got a lot ofnotes here, guys.
I'm not even done.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
He's not even a writer, you guys, and he has
wrote a lot during this becauseintegration is such a huge part
of getting the value out of it.
And I would say, like you said,doing a journey to that degree
you'd only do probably every sixmonths, because it's I mean, he
was so exhausted yesterday Ithought, you know, he slept all
night.
He woke up for like a couplehours and then he started his
(11:10):
trip and he was in the bedroomfor another seven hours.
I thought like he's going to beup till midnight.
He's going to be so rested andwired.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Your mind never works that hard in daily life, no
matter what you're doing.
His watch thought that he had athree and a half hour nap, yeah,
and I said I went into REMsleep too.
That's wild, Um, but this wholetime when I, while I was
struggling, struggling, I knewthere was going to be um, like
pure love at some point, Causethat's kind of like the theme of
(11:36):
of mushrooms is is pure love,Um.
So I went, uh, oh, once, oncethat happened and I broke
through and I had this like thisego death and I felt like I
died.
I was so hot, I was sweating, Iwas a thousand degrees.
It was just the most crazything.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And that's never happened to you before.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, like I've been warm, but not like that that was
.
That was something else.
So at this point I had Istarted looking back at myself
as a little boy when I was aboutthree and I was watching myself
.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Which is the age of our son.
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, and I just remember looking at myself and I
was just wondering, like hadlike a he I was really cared for
.
But had I ever been like loved,like really really loved, like
like we are with Marty and I?
I wasn't sure.
So I was just I was givingmyself all this, this love and
affection to my like youngerself.
And that's nice, yeah, and I,it just made me really smile.
(12:37):
So that was a turning point inin the whole journey and then I
started like just going throughthese times in my life and I
found myself in.
I was about 13 ish, 14 yearsold and I was in the uh, I was
actually going to the bathroom.
I saw him stand there going tothe bathroom and this is a
(13:00):
picture like you're watchingsomeone from behind stand in a
toilet taking a leak right.
And this point like I'll giveyou a little bit of backstory.
When I was that age, I had thispoint in the bathroom where I
was just going to go to aconditioning camp, a hockey
(13:20):
conditioning camp thing and Iwas going to the bathroom I was
like I don't want to go, I don'twant to go right now.
Everything inside me said don'tgo today, skip it and go
another time.
And then another part of me waslike, well, you can go.
Like you can get better bydoing this, like you can do hard
things like just push through,just go, and what?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
are you wearing?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
your gut, ignoring my gut.
So what had actually happenedthat day on the ice is?
I crashed in the boards.
I broke forward, vertebrae inmy mid-back between my shoulder
blades and thought he wasparalyzed.
I was paralyzed on the ice fora period of time, but completely
changed everything in my lifeat that point yeah, it was back
pain ever since it's insanelyscary.
(14:02):
But what I realized in my visionwhile I was watching myself
have this moment, I was likewhat is it?
What's your intuition?
That was the first time Iremember having an intuition and
a gut feeling about something.
Your tug, your true ultimateguide, is what our mentors
called it.
It and, uh, very similar to mylast journey.
(14:29):
When I found something likethat.
I was like huh, just from like a, like a curious awareness.
I was like I want to know moreabout that.
And in front of me, like abovethe toilet picture like a little
hurricane kind of sideways, andyou're looking at the top of it
, kind of like a picture on thewall, and it's just like sitting
there spinning, there's a dotin the middle and I was like I
want to know more about this,this intuition.
Where does that come from?
Where does that go?
And I went into that dot andboom, I was on the other side,
(14:54):
just like I was in my, my otherreally big journey, and I was in
this infinite blackness andthat's where, like, the divine
is like your higher self, likewhere you felt squeezed with
love, like you mentioned lasttime.
Yeah I was squeezed with lovelast time and I was in um, I was
in this space again and didn'tyou say you came at it from like
(15:15):
a different part of your house?
Yeah, oddly enough, thebathroom is right beside my
bedroom, where I was in thecloset last time this happened,
in the closet backs time thishappened, and the closet backs
the bathroom.
They're like five feet apart.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So it's almost like a seems like a wormhole.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
There's like a portal in there.
So a theme in every journeythat I've had is it's bumpy at
the start, it's hard.
You go through this like egodeath, what they call it and
then you search for a point oflike interest that you need to
investigate and you go into itand then it's the breakthrough,
(15:54):
and now is when the workactually starts wow.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So you really have to be willing to like, get, like
I'm like what if I can't getthrough the hard stuff?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
and I just like get stuck in the heart and get
through okay I'll be there withyou, don't you worry stay tuned
for that episode maybe yeah.
So now, now we can begin.
So I was going through my lifefrom there at places where, uh,
this intuitive power camethrough and and one of the other
really, really clear days thatthis happened was back in high
(16:28):
school.
I think I talked, we talkedabout it on our journey, about
our episode, about how we met,and it was a day of a strike at
our high school and, oddlyenough, my all of these kids are
walking to this place where thestrike was going to happen on
the sidewalk.
My car, I was driving my carwith my buddy, my car died.
I got out of the car kind ofcloser to the back of this you
(16:50):
know pack of kids walking downthe sidewalk and down the hill.
I was looking for Brittany andI pointed her out.
There was hundreds and hundredsof people there and I just knew
I had to go and find her andtalk to her.
That day was like odd, but thatwas my intuition.
That was my intuition.
There's been lots of othertimes where I've followed my
intuition, but it's like one ofthose things where you, if you
(17:12):
don't use it, you lose it.
You lose it.
It's always there, but we haveto.
It's like, it's like a skillyou have to hone and I think at
a young age we're given thismore but we ignore it because of
society and stuff and we losethat intuition.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's deep, that's a deep lesson.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, so one of the things I wanted to know was,
like, what was holding me backin life and how is this
intuition involved in this?
These are like thoughts you'rehaving in your head, guys, and
there's so many, so manythoughts that go on your head
like I did.
I can't regurgitate all of it,um, but this was the the thought
(17:53):
process I was having at thetime and I think this is all in
the right order.
But so I ended up I was a bird,I was like a hawk in a nest and
in front of me, you know, I wasway up high and there was kind
of like this like rock wallthing in front of me and, you
know, I could hear the music.
The music was playing and Itried to jump out of the nest
and I could see my wings.
I didn't have hands, I had likegray wings.
(18:14):
It was really cool, and I triedto jump out of this, this nest,
and I couldn't.
It was like I was hitting thisinvisible wall and and just go
like you want to fly.
You're born to fly and I justjumped off that edge, through
(18:38):
this barrier and oh, this ismaking me almost emotional and I
was flying like a bird um overeverything.
It was the most freeing feelingwhen, like when people talk
about freedom like that, wasthat felt like freedom wow right
there and I was just flyingabove everything and I I was
(18:59):
like a loving awareness.
I could see everything happeningbelow me and I was just aware
of everything happening.
Um, but it was from like apoint of love.
It was very cool and like whenyou think about a bird, birds
have this direct path places, soa bird can land here and then
(19:19):
it can fly to that point and itcan fly to that point.
And then I had this vision ofwalking on a gravel path.
So I'm like a human again.
I'm walking on a gravel path.
It's, you know, it's flat, it'sclear, there's like trees on
both sides and kind of in theforest on this flat gravel path
and I should be able to walkeasily.
But what I was doing, I wasreaching behind myself and
(19:41):
grabbing big rocks and sticksand all this crap and I kept
throwing it in front of me.
We do in life we take all ourgarbage from the past, all our
experiences, all the hardship,and we keep bringing it up and
putting it in our way to makeour life hard.
Oh, my gosh, when all we got todo is walk or be bird and just
(20:08):
go from place to place.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You didn't cry during your journey, but you were
getting emotional place.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
you didn't cry during your journey, but you were
getting emotional well, it's.
It's different now when youreflect on it and be like wow,
that was actually really reallycrazy.
So, yeah, you bring your pastand into your path and you've
struck all your progress.
Wow, so just decide to be abird.
And then, um, now I was in thisreally cool space where I'm
(20:37):
like an infinite blackness again.
Okay, and there's these likepoints on, like infinite
blackness, meaning like.
You're not a person, you're nota physical being, you're just
like just picture in a blackroom, picture this picture space
okay and there's little clumpshere and clumps there and
between all these little pointsare straight lines and I'm a
(20:57):
bird now and I can fly frompoint to point easily straight.
There's no obstructions onthese points.
But I can also travel throughtime.
I can travel back in time andsee things.
I can travel forwards, I cantravel sideways, I can go
anywhere I want in this like ohmy.
God, this is is insane in thistime grid, because time doesn't
exist time doesn't exist it's,and when you understand quantum
(21:17):
physics and all this stuff.
That's a whole other broadcasttime doesn't really exist.
We're just experiencing it onthis earth because we're in like
a 3d state.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
This stuff gets deep but you can't make it up no,
this is probably why our son'sname is mart and you're obsessed
with Back to the Future.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So what else do we got here so I kept trying to
explain.
This is a weird thing.
So, because we have a podcastnow and people want to know
about this, I kept trying toexplain what was happening in my
head or figure out what washappening so I could explain it
in the podcast, in the podcastand stuff, and I was just trying
(22:03):
to tell myself to just likeshut up and just observe and
quit trying to figure everythingout and quit trying to explain,
just be present.
And then I got this.
This is the crazy part.
I got this really clear messageand it was just shut, the fuck
up.
And then it wasn't just for me,it was like a message for
humanity.
It was shut the fuck up and whatthat ended up meaning.
(22:28):
It was like I had thisexperiment that the whole planet
was doing, because everyone isalways talking.
Everyone is always um, they'recommenting on stuff you know,
letting their opinion known,their um everything.
You know how.
Everyone's talking abouteverything.
People on the news, radio, likepoliticians.
Everyone's bitching aboutsomething and complaining.
(22:50):
Like there's this everyonetrying to be right about their
view and perspective and whenyou're talking, you can't, you
can't take anything in, youcan't absorb, and the whole
universe is like this, thisloving awareness, and we, or
this, like divine energy and wecan't take it in.
(23:12):
We get further away from itbecause we're always talking.
So the experiment that I waslike conducting in my head was
like everyone everywhere.
So there's there's no planes inthe air, there's no boats on
the water, there's no carsdriving.
Everyone's like at home or onthe grass or in the forest or
wherever.
Nobody is talking.
If you turn on the TV, there'dbe like a news anchor there and
(23:35):
he's just sitting there.
And you turn, go to a YouTubelive or something like that
Instagram live, and someone'sjust sitting there and everyone
has this like little smile ontheir face and every single
person is just this lovingawareness.
There's no fighting, there's nobombs being dropped, there's no
conflict.
It was just the whole world atpeace, it was just the most
(24:00):
tranquil thing and it was justthe whole world at the same time
.
Just complete silence, nothinghappening, everyone just
observing in this lovingawareness.
And then I got this messageit's like what now?
Where your mind goes to, whileyou're just sitting there, being
in this loving awareness of whoyou truly are.
And then I'm sitting in thisnice warm yellow sunshine on the
(24:28):
edge of a forest in like somegrassy stuff, watching a
caterpillar, and that's what I'mdoing.
I'm just observing thiscaterpillar.
Marty's been talking a lotabout caterpillars lately.
It's weird that when you toldme that.
I was like what?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
This kid's obsessed with caterpillars.
I had that caterpillar on myhand the other day and I'm like
I don't even like caterpillars.
There's things climbing on myhand.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So I feel like that was kind of a neat little
coincidence.
So it's just like appreciatingwhat's in front of you at all
times.
It was the neatest thing.
But that's an experiment thatyou can do yourself.
Just sit there in like a lovingawareness, with no judgment of
anything, and just likeappreciate something and like
where does your mind go, and Ithink that'll tell you a lot
about yourself.
Pretty simple for me.
I'm just like it's prettysimple for me.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'm just like it's pretty accurate for you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I just want to be in nature and just be in its
presence and soak it up, andit's just a great place.
Love that.
So I'd asked about my purposeat this point and I got.
It was very strange.
It was like just you need toshare this, you need to share,
(25:39):
like, speak this and share thisand get people to understand.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Like this what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Like this message and it was like how do I do that?
And it's like, just how you'redoing it, like right now, just
get it out there, but maybe moreRight.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
So share this podcast .
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
If you're listening Because that's the thing I
always joke with you is likeyou're just so in your head all
the time, like you have thoughtsand thoughts and thoughts and
thoughts, but you're alwaysquiet, you're always the
observer, you're always nevertalking.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And that came up in this too, and it's because I'm
more of an awareness than I am,like I don't need to speak my
mind about everything.
I'm not a person.
If there's some something goingon on Facebook, I'll never
leave a comment.
I'm never going to leave acomment about anything unless
it's something positive.
Like someone found this reallycool mushroom the other day, I'm
(26:31):
like, oh, that's amazing.
Or somebody did somethingreally good.
I'm like, oh, good for you.
Like I'll just, if it's gonna,if I'm gonna say something, it's
gonna be something positive.
I'm never gonna put negativityout in the world and that's what
.
Like social media is everyonejust putting each other down and
and, yeah, it's just, that's abad energy.
That's why politics are sodividing yeah yeah, I, I don't
(26:54):
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
So you're sharing the good message yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
So you just, I just gotta, I just gotta share this
message.
Um, what else do we got here?
Um, I guess, yeah, most of mytrip was just being this loving
awareness, and a lot of it wasdetaching yourself from what you
were seeing, so like someonewould come up and I could, just
I could decide if I wanted to godown that road or no, and
sometimes I'd be like, no,that's not for me, I don't want,
I don't want to, I don't wantto look at that.
(27:19):
It wasn't anything bad, I don'tthink it's not like something I
needed to explore, just like,oh, that's not enough for me,
and I just moved on to somethingelse.
So that was kind of cool.
You kind of had that control,that control in there, um,
something, what I had, thisreally neat vision of there were
so many rainbows, because whenyou're in this space and you
(27:40):
realize everything is energy,you're getting all these
visualizations and it's very.
The colors are very rainbowlike.
When I took a lower dose, therewas a lot of like green purples
and blues, but on this dose Icould see green purples, blues,
like yellows, like a fullrainbow, orange like.
It was like a full spectrumthis time.
So I don't know if I just like,went further in and I just
(28:04):
realizing that everything isenergy and being around,
frequency.
Um, as a kid, when I wanted tobe, you know, I was a d.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Right and.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I was just immersed in frequency all the time and
music makes you happy it canmake you happy if you're on the
right frequencies, and it's cool, people actually make music
these days that are tuned tospecific frequencies to make you
feel a certain way Right.
It's like a science to it,which is pretty neat.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Talk about the part where you were dancing.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Dancing In the music or something.
Oh well, I kind of did already,didn't he?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
yeah, he didn't really explain it like how you
were telling me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, it was like you could like see the vibration of
the music you can see, like ifthere's like a beat or something
going on in the song, it itrepresented in your mind as like
a physical thing, and it was.
It was just coming at me and Iwas just like moving through it
(29:02):
and weaving through it.
I was like picture yourselflike on a highway and everything
on the highway is like hurlingtowards you, like you're going
the wrong way on a highway, okay, and you're just weaving in and
out, up and down, side to side.
It was like a good feeling, itwas an amazing feeling.
It's just like you're just inthis amazing flow and you're
(29:22):
just like soaking it all up.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Maybe that was the message was that you were in the
flow.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
It was very cool.
There was a lot of love, um, inthe journey.
At the end, um, so many neatpoints connected and like I
don't even remember all thethings that happened, like I
still got to go through this alittle bit more.
I don't even know if I'llremember them, but every time
you made a connection ofsomething like a really deep
connection, when you put twothings together from your life,
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this overwhelming feeling wouldcome over my body.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Every single time I made this connection, like a
rush of energy, or how do youdescribe it?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, like a rush of energy like a wave through my
whole body.
Every single time it was veryneat and it was something I
noticed continuously, like everytime I had that this feeling
would happen.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
It was almost like affirmation of yes, that's the
connection.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, but it's like the energy was just like flowing
your body.
Cool, it was very neat.
But the connections wouldhappen and you would visualize
it as like a line going from onepoint like outside of the
universe and back inside theuniverse to another point and
they would connect.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It was so trippy, like in this back vast blackness
of space gosh, that is like soweird and cool all at the same
time yeah, it was very cool.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
something else, a couple other neat things that
happened is so I'm sitting inbasically a dark room with this
eye mask on, I'm laying on mybed and I would get these
visualizations of, like, thewalls in my house disappearing
and yellow, bright sunshinecoming into my room and I would
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see it.
Wow, that's divine light.
Yeah, it was.
It was very neat and ithappened like a few times.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
This was closer to the start and the crazy part
about this is you did this on afull moon and you did this after
the 11-11 portal.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and like, the other weird thing is, I'm always
looking for, you know, magicmushrooms out in the forest, and
last year I ended up findingthem right in our front yard
after I'd been looking all overthe countryside for them.
Yeah, but we went for a walk onthe day before on this trail
that I walk and I bike on allthe time, and so we're walking,
(31:44):
I look down and there's a littlepatch of magic mushrooms right
there growing in the forest.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And they're tiny, you guys.
They're tiny, like the size ofyour pinky fingernail.
They're tiny, but I'm justsaying that because the fact
that you found them was crazy.
Yeah, because there's so manymushrooms when you walk here,
especially this time of year.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Ridiculous amounts but I've never found them before
like that kind.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I've never found that I'm freaking out because I'm
like, what if it's not that?
Because the next thing you'resaying that's uh, what are the
deadly ones called?
Oh a gallerina which is knownas like a funeral bell, which is
toxic, and they grow here toowell, yeah, you literally point
one out, and then over thereyou're like and there's the one
I'm gonna put in my shakestomorrow morning.
I'm like no, you're not so Iconfirmed it was.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I threw that in my shake, so I did have some, and I
wonder how mushrooms do youthink that that made the journey
different?
I think everything makes ajourney different physiology um,
what you ate that day, how youfeel, how you slept um, like a
thousand things well, becauseyou wanted to do this journey on
the first, wasn't it?
initially I did, and you weren'tfeeling good that day so you
(32:42):
were like, nope, not doing it,yeah, you gotta feel good, like,
don't do this when you'rehungover.
Uh, don't do this when you'retired, when you're sick, um,
yeah, don't take mushroom, ordon't take a kind of mushroom
you're never not experiencedwith, you know one go low and
slow as low and slow.
I definitely start with a, alower dose, just before you go
(33:04):
into which is what I have doneand that's why, when I do a
bigger one, I'll hopefully havea good experience.
But uh, there's one other reallycool thing that happened.
Um, every time I yawned oh yeah, this part, and yawning is just
the most amazing thing whenyou're you're in this trip.
Like you yawn so big, likebigger than you do on a normal
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day, but every time I did that Igot just a flood of energy in
my body.
It was was neat.
It was every single time.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
So do you think that's why people yawn?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, how it was explained to me was it's like
pure energy, pure light, justlike entering your body and just
almost like recharging you.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's so interesting because when you yawn, you're
tired.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was very neat.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I was actually thinking about that Cause I was
laying in bed with Marty justbefore this yawning and I was
like.
I was thinking about what youhad told me yesterday about this
.
It's like I mean, that's why weyawn.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, I want to.
I want to go back to when I wastalking about being a bird.
So I, when I got to go to thebathroom for the second time,
wash my hands and I go out intoback into the bedroom and my
back has been pretty sore.
So I grabbed our, our big likefoam roller thing and I was
rolling on my back and I got upin front of, uh, our big like
(34:31):
stand-up mirror thing and Irealized I hadn't looked at
myself in the mirror yet.
This, this journey, becauselooking yourself in the mirror
is like, it's very neat.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I even remember that yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So I'm standing there in front of the mirror and I
have the, the roller behind myback, I'm one hand on each side
and my hands I'm stretching myhands over my back, kind of and
I look at myself in the mirrorand I start going side to side
and I'm like holy shit, I'm abird right now.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Looking at myself.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm like so cool, I'm like flying as a bird, and then
I just I look at myself likedead in the eyes.
My face is right up against themirror and I felt like, for
like the first time in my life,I'm like really looking at
myself.
And I'm looking at myself deadin the eyes and just as like
(35:19):
like a energy being.
It was very neat and I justfound myself just loving myself
and just smiling atmyselfazement with just me, and
(35:42):
it just it felt very well lovingfor sure, but it was just like
freeing.
It's like why do we have tojudge ourselves for everything?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
When you told me this yesterday, I said it reminds me
of when I did the like the onegram or whatever, and I went to
the bathroom and I looked atmyself in the mirror and I felt
like I.
It was a lion looking at me,like it was me, but it was like
this, fierce, like lion, likeenergy, so I know what you mean
about.
Like looking in the mirroryourself when you have
psilocybin in your body, which Ican't imagine.
(36:11):
Like I feel like you, just yousee, like your true spirit, and
I heard, because I rememberlooking at myself thinking like,
okay, no, that's me, but likethat's not me, and it was like
the like I just heard, literallyheard me say to me I've always
been here yeah, because you're.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You got to realize like your physical body isn't
you, you can lose your hands andyour arms and everything that's
not you.
Your body isn't you.
You are like an energy, beinglike for real that's your soul
so that that was.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
It was a very deep point, and you know it's
interesting when you say that,like because we put so much
emphasis on our external body,but it's like that's not even
the part we should be focusingon at all.
No, like, why are we allfocused on our outsides and our
this procedure and thatprocedure, and how skinny are
you and how good do you look inthose clothes?
Like let's work on the insides.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And how beautiful of a world would this be yeah, I
think that's part of the beautyof the plant medicine, is it?
It takes all the physical stuffaway.
Yeah wow, it's so good and youjust see life for what it is.
Yeah, it's a beautiful thing,anything else oh man, what else
can I say?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I just, those are some big messages.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, there's some really big message in there for
humanity.
I think the neat thing aboutthis is when you're connected to
, like this divine intelligenceand your higher self, everyone
can connect to it.
It's all the same thing.
You just have to get there andyou have to want to get there.
(37:52):
And this is like some people cando this kind of stuff without
mushrooms, because like breathwork um well, if you're doing
breath work, you're doing a minidmt trip which your body, your
brain, can make naturally right.
Um so it can, it can take youthere as well, but some people
can do this just through insanemeditation and stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
What's the difference between doing therapeutic like
psilocybin versus ayahuasca?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
um ayahuasca you only want to do in a ceremonial
setting yeah, you wouldn't bedoing it.
No, you need a shaman, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's supposed to be deeper than mushrooms but not
according to the podcast youlisten to.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
No, I just listened to a podcast today where this
person had done four ayahuascajourneys and they just did a
mushroom journey, and it was.
The mushroom journey was waydeeper than the ayahuasca ones.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
But everyone's interesting, everyone's
different do you think you'llexplore ayahuasca eventually?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
oh yeah, definitely, and like it just seems weird,
people still have this thingaround mushrooms and it just
being this drug but we've beenconditioned yes, it's, it's.
It's like it's been put in thesame category.
No, it's this insane personalgrowth, soul development tool
(39:10):
that, like I, was one personexplained it as cheat codes
thrown on there's.
They're on every continent,except for, I think, antarctica.
They're on every continent, sothey're everywhere.
Cheat codes thrown on it?
There's, they're on everycontinent, except for, I think,
antarctica.
They're on every continent, sothey're everywhere Cheat codes
and they're cheat codes for theuniverse in, like this you know,
this matrix, that we're in thissimulation, and it's just helps
you reach your higher self andlike, if you, if you want to
(39:36):
grow personally and knowyourself more and know more
about the universe and energy,like this is it.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
So maybe that's what this episode and episode three
maybe had helped you with isjust yeah, and I was very
against this until I startedlearning more, because I had
only heard about it from arecreational party standpoint.
But once I learned that, ohpeople, people grow from this.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, yeah.
So if any of this likeinterests you, um, definitely
reach out.
If there's questions, feel freeto ask and, um, maybe it'll
inspire you to do your own.
I mean, we're here truly havethis podcast, because I heard a
friend of mine talk about herplant medicine journey on her
podcast and I was like I think Iwant to do mushrooms and
(40:33):
brian's, like what says the girlwho's never done a drug in her
life, but then realizing it'sit's plant medicine, like it
grows in the ground, it's free.
Big pharma can't make money onit, so of course let's put it in
the pile of it's drug.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
So I did I did have one other thing that came up, uh
, for a second time on thesecond journey is, uh, I had
this vision of chickens and justhow amazing of a creature they
were, and just what we do tothem was just it's so horrible.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Especially after watching the Netflix documentary
you Are what you Eat.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Well, that's just one of them.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh, my God yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
So it just kind of reaffirmed that I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's like humans are so inhumane.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
There's nothing humane about humans, that's a
good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Oh my gosh, before we wrap this up, is there anything
else you want to say?
Because I feel like we wrap itup and then you're like I forgot
to say that.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh, you know, I'm sure there's tons of things I
forgot to say.
Um, I guess one thing I noticedon this journey from the first
one is there was this familiarfamiliarity being in this space
again and there the almost likea welcoming presence, just like
you're getting back here.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
And pieces of my last trip were kind of in this one,
because I was kind of exploringthe same place, but it from a
different point of view so doyou think from the last I mean
you're, you're you've done thistwice, but I feel like the one
you did in June didn't really goas you had planned.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
No, yeah, it didn't go as planned.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
The one in March where we did episode three from
was like.
To me feels like the first realjourney.
Yeah, so with all theintegration since March, it's
now November.
Do you feel like it'spercolating in your life?
It's showing up in other places?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
I would say so.
I said every every time.
Um you get some insight.
Well, you can't see the worldthe same again yeah, you can't
unsee what you saw in thosejourneys yeah I definitely walk
in my day-to-day life looking ateverything completely different
well, even I do from that whatis it?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
our date night episode whatever episode, that
was where that was the firsttime I experienced doing
psilocybin at all and it was avery low dose.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
But I still even go back to things I saw and
visualizations that I had andI'm like I can't unsee that one
of the biggest things I've takenaway is just, you know, trying
to walk through life in a placeof no judgment and just seeing
everyone as well.
I've seen it in this trip.
I've seen you as just like anenergy being.
There is no, there's nothing tojudge, you're just a loving
(43:09):
ball of light.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Thank you, you glow, babe no judging.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well, that was good.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Thanks for sharing that, and I think that anybody
listening will have gained forsharing that, and I think that
anybody listening will havegained something from that and
maybe even inspired themselvesto be on that journey themselves
yeah, so check out that, checkout that experiment I proposed
for yourself yeah and just see,see what you think.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, exactly, where does your mind?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
go when you sit in that silence yep I like to think
my nose to the beach, can likehear the waves crashing in the
sun on me.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, so do that and be a bird.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Be a bird, go from point to point.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yes, leave all your BS behind A bird is easier.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
We've got a month and a half to close out this year
and you don't need to wait tillthe new year to set a goal or to
set an intention.
It's like, yes, be a bird, gofrom this point to that point
and get something done by theend of the year.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Okay, love you guys.
Thanks for listening to myramblings.
Yeah, appreciate you andeveryone.
Stay awesome.
Okay, bye, everybody, peace.
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