August 8, 2024 • 32 mins
What if the essence of love isn't just about romance or family, but something that resonates on a universal frequency? Picture this: the profound impact of a single musical note, 528 hertz, known as the "Love Frequency," seeping into your soul and altering your state of being. We share heartfelt stories, such as the emotional farewell to our cherished dog and the beauty we find in nature, to illustrate how love manifests in diverse moments and profoundly influences our well-being.
Imagine experiencing an overwhelming sense of pure love during a near-death experience or while on a psychedelic journey. These mind-altering moments often reveal a love so profound, it's as if you've touched another dimension. We discuss personal stories that draw parallels between near-death encounters and psychedelic trips.
Let's talk about embracing love and unity in our everyday lives. Inspired by Gandhi's wisdom, we offer actionable steps to bring more love into the world, from treating our bodies with respect to leaving places better than we found them. Join us on this journey to discover how you can infuse your life with more love and connection.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
you're listening to the love movement with your
hosts britney and brian johnston.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're starting a movement centered around love to
help raise the vibration ofthis beautiful planet.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat
about many topics all centeredaround three main pillars Loving
yourself, loving each other andloving the planet.
So if you're ready, let's jumpin.
So, on today's episode of theLove Movement, we are going to
talk about what is love.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What is love?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
This is something we've been talking about for a
long time.
What is love?
This is something we've beentalking about for a long time.
Like months, I feel like we'vebeen talking about this topic,
trying to figure out what toshare on this podcast, because
it's like a really hard todescribe topic and there's no
actual answer.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's such a hard topic to talk about and we're
gonna.
We're gonna talk about somestuff, we got some ideas, but I
feel like you could go to likeinsane, like academia style
study just trying to figure outwhat love is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sitting here beside a stack of four books
from my bookshelf that are allabout love and I felt like I
needed to read them all beforewe talked here.
But really I just felt like wewent for a walk the one day with
the dogs and we were talkingabout like what is love, what
isn't love, and we should havejust recorded that conversation.
(01:33):
Well, we heard most of it, butnot not in a studio, yeah,
anyway, not that this is astudio, it's a good thing we're
not on video.
But what would you say, likeshort answer, if I was to say to
you what is love?
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
it's.
It's so broad, like I did somepretty good reflection on it one
day and I've got like a list ofthings.
But I think what?
Like, when most people justthink of love, they just think
of, oh, like you're, you're inlove with someone, it's like a
feeling that you just havetowards someone.
You think that's just love.
(02:03):
I think that's one kind of love, I think it goes way deeper
than that, but I think that'swhen society thinks about love.
They just think of a romanticrelationship, or loving others,
loving others, or something youknow you love your kids but I
think it goes way deeper thanthat, like way deeper than that.
So when I was trying todescribe it, I like I got a list
(02:27):
here of things that I can godeep on every single topic, of
every single one of these points, but I'm I'm just gonna talk
about them, sure, and uh, andyou guys can, you know,
self-reflect on this on your ownand you might have your own
spin.
Um, this is just what I came upwith and bernie's gonna have
(02:47):
her own thing too.
So, uh, first of all, love isfrequency.
We all know that 528 hertz,that's what.
That's what love is.
I don't know how they figuredthat out.
528 520 hertz is a frequency,so we just did a little five
minute meditation before this.
Listen to 528 hertz is afrequency, so we just did a
little five-minute meditationbefore this.
Listen to 528 hertz music and Idon't know it feels good.
(03:09):
I like that frequency.
So I think love can besomething you give to someone.
It can be something you receiveand you can feel it from
someone.
But, like you know this is oneof my notes here is like you
know, where does where does thatgo when, when someone passes
(03:29):
away?
I remember when our dog passedaway.
Just gonna say, yeah, it remindsme of bailey yeah, when our dog
passed away, it was like we hadthis love for this dog and all
of a sudden the dog was gone.
But it was just like so hardbecause we didn't have a place
for that love to go anymore itwas just like a weird weird
thing right.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So five months later we got blaze another dog to.
Not that it was replacingbailey, but it was like you
needed somewhere to put yourlove yeah, but where does it
come from initially?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
yeah, like it starts as nothing.
It's, there's nothing there andall of a sudden you you have
love it.
Just it's like it grows and itcan be instant.
You can have like instant loveor something you just like see,
something like, oh, I love it.
I love how that makes me feelyou know, but I think it can
grow too.
It grows with people a lot ofthe time.
(04:16):
Um so yeah, I talked about loveis, uh, you know, a feeling in
relationships.
Uh, it can be like an instantattraction to something or
someone.
I think love is having trust insomeone.
You can put like your whole youknow safety, your whole life in
(04:37):
someone else's hands.
I think that just is like aform of love, um, an
appreciation for something.
Uh is love, you know, showinggratitude, like when you're in a
frequency of like gratitude.
I feel like that's just likeone of the best feelings, when
(04:58):
you just like just so gratefulfor everything around you, all
that you have not looking at thethings that you don't have.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So true, even just tonight, sitting out on the
front patio looking at thecolors of the sky and the sun
setting over the mountains, it'slike I keep saying to you since
we moved to Vancouver Islandnot that there's anything
against the prairies, but that'sjust what we're used to and
it's almost like when things areright in front of you, you
don't see it.
And moving out here, it's likewhen I look at the ocean and I
(05:31):
look at the mountains and I lookat the sky.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's like the cells in my body change.
It's like a overwhelmingfeeling in my body.
Yeah, it's a gratitude feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's just like every day when I drive marty to
daycare, preschool, I feel itjust on the drive and just like
wow the first time I drove tothe airport from here I just had
like tears in my eyes and it'snot like I was sad, I was just
like I cannot believe the amountof like love and gratitude to
have for this place and evenpeople that have lived here.
They're like I love drivingaround with you because it's
(05:55):
like I forget what's right infront of me and that's kind of
how we were when we were in theprairies, right, yeah,
definitely, because there'sthings that I miss about the
prairies.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I love a good thunderstorm.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I miss a thunderstorm so much, so much.
You know we're just like areally beautiful, vibrant sunset
that you can just see endlessly.
Yeah, yeah, it's interestingwhen you think about all those
different things.
And you were saying the one daywe were walking, you were like
everything is love, it's likethe sun shining on the trees and
it's like the smell of theflowers.
(06:26):
And you walk past.
I think of like Bouchard gardenswhen we go there, like that is
a frequency.
That place I even think of likeoh my gosh, if you guys follow
me on Instagram, you've seen thesaga of our black widow spiders
under our front step.
And yesterday was it?
We had a black widow spider ina jam jar on our counter and I
(06:48):
said to brian, where did it go?
And he said it's gone.
And I was like but did you killit?
You're like it's gone with this, like cheeky, look on your face
.
I knew he didn't kill it.
You don't have the heart tokill even a black widow spider.
He went out behind her houseand, like released it in the
forest.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That is love.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, that's love.
Thing deserves to live.
We're all made.
And this is where they live.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
They live here Under our front step.
Like all of these, things arelove you know?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah.
So what I talked about yeah,love is an appreciation, can be
an acceptance for things andjust like how things are like
just seeing how something is andjust like appreciating it for
what it is.
Yeah, like it could be a person, or it could be this tree, like
we have this idea of, like atree in our head, like, think of
a tree you think of, like aperfect tree.
(07:40):
Go look in the forest.
Is there any trees like that?
No, every tree is completelydifferent.
They're completely unique.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, when we're hiking, the trees that we stop
and look at and take pictures ofare all the unique ones.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, they're all the weirdest looking trees.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Growing in different directions Huge trees, trees
with holes.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You just accept them and you just love that.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know how something someone is well, do
you think it comes out like whenyou're, whether it's sad or
happy, like when you get to thatpoint of tears?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Like you can just like feel it.
Yeah.
That's like the overflowinglove you should tell the story
about when you were hiking withMarty.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Okay, so we were.
Yeah, last week, marty and Iwent on a hike.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So for those of you, who don't know, he's our three
and a half year old son.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, three and a half year old.
He was in the carrier on myback and he just loves looking
at everything.
I show him stuff in the forestall the time.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And you're bringing his attention to things always.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, he thinks it's super cool and we went past a
spot he's never been past before.
It was a clear cut wherethey're doing a housing
development and it's just likeyou're walking in this beautiful
forest all of a sudden opens upand it's just bare earth and
rocks that have been, you know,you know, exploded, and it's
(09:15):
just.
It's just, it's a scene.
It's like a scene.
It's like when, when we look atit, we know what's going on.
So I was just telling him I'mlike, oh, they're going to build
houses here and they, they tookall the trees away and they
were, you know, blowing up rocksand making it, making room for
houses, and he goes.
That hurts my heart and he goes.
That hurts your heart too, likeI didn't.
(09:35):
I just told him what it was.
I didn't, I didn't put myfeelings toward it on him, I
just explained this is what this, this clearing, is here, and he
just knew at the core of hisbody that that was wrong.
He just had a love for thetrees that used to be there, the
forest that used to be there,and then he goes, he goes, the
(09:57):
forest is broken I cannotbelieve.
He said that and just yeah wiseold little soul yeah, just his
insight into it, like he hasn'tbeen on earth long enough to
have like an opinion aboutthings, but he just innately
knew that that was like that wasa wrong thing.
He because you know the earthis, we should be loving the
(10:18):
earth and he's seen theinjustice that was happening
there.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right, it's pretty wild yeah, I love that story.
I feel like that's veryinsightful for three definitely
oh my gosh.
Um.
One thing I always notice whenpeople talk about love and it's
usually when it comes with deathfor whatever reason, like
anybody that's had a near-deathexperience and they're talking
about it, it's always the sameexample or like description you
(10:44):
feel ultimate love of just thisoverwhelming, unexplainable,
complete, encompassing, purelove yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
touch on, uh, something here themushroom experience okay, let's
go back to that okay and Idon't know what kind of chemical
(11:04):
thing goes on in the brain whenyou're like near death or when
you're in a mushroom experience.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
but a mushroom experience is one of the most
mind altering things becauseit's that kind of love and
people, people that have hadnear death experience, have
actually said that when they'vedone, you know, mushroom trips
or lsd trips and stuff, thatit's like the same kind of thing
, it's very similar crazybecause you had that feeling.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
If you guys listen to the podcast on brian's mushroom
trip, you had that experience.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah it's otherworldly type of of love
that like you could not get inthis on this plane.
Like it's, it was overwhelming,it was insane.
I felt like I was being crushedby love.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
It was so intense that's so it was amazing though
it's like absolutely amazinglike that makes me want to do a
mushroom trip yeah I'm stillover here, scared, haven't done
we'll get you there.
One day we'll have my ownepisode um, which, yeah, also
brings me to like the point of Idon't know if you want to go
here yet, but you know, andagain this can go down a
(12:09):
different path of like religionand what you believe or whatever
, and I don't really necessarilywant this podcast to go there.
But this is just about ourconversations and what we think
and believe.
But it's like you know, hell,does hell exist?
And I just feel like, well, Idon't think it does.
(12:29):
I feel like hell is like beingon earth a little bit.
That's like the lessons we havehere.
It's hard, it's dark, it'sheavy, like there's a lot going
on here and I even think ofpeople like you know.
We've had people in our life,and even some recent like
suicide, and the only thing thatbrings me any sort of like
peace is knowing that the minutethat they leave this earth
they're experiencing thatall-encompassing love that they
(12:51):
clearly did not have because itbrought them to a place of
suicide yeah, I don't thinkthere's a hell, I think it's a
man-made thing.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
yeah, I think when when I mean this is my belief,
but I think when you die, youreturn to source and I think
this whole universe is love.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You were talking about we went for a walk,
remember?
You were talking about like weare just floating in this ball
of dirt.
Yeah, floating ball of dirt inspace.
How did you say that I?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
mean, okay, well, think about when you zoom out,
yeah, okay, Well, just thinkabout the planet right now.
There's all the stuff going onon the planet there's wars,
there's, you know, hate, there'sall this stuff.
What we need is more love.
Yeah, love is gonna, you knowhence the podcast hence the
podcast.
So when you zoom out and lookat Earth floating there a ball
(13:49):
of dirt in the middle offreaking nowhere and you look at
like okay, we're having allthese problems, when you zoom
out you're like what's theproblem?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Why are we creating all these problems for ourself?
And then you zoom out furtherand like Earth is smaller than a
grain of sand on the biggestbeach you could possibly think
of, in like the expanse of, likethe whole universe.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And we think it's like everything.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, and we think our problems are everything when
it's insignificant.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Absolutely insignificant.
So I think love is creation.
The fact that we can even besitting here having this
conversation is when, if youreally really think about it, is
absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Totally and like talking about like what is love
also, Like what is the oppositeof love, Kind of what you just
described.
Well like all the injustices,all the bullshit going on in
this planet separation,separation yeah, seeing things
as separate from you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Everyone's separate, everything is separate.
I think that's the opposite oflove, like I what einstein said,
the the greatest illusion isthe illusion of separation,
because everything is connected.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, which is why Marty felt that way about
something happening to the earth, why our feet should be in the
ground and we should be groundedand connected, but no, we have
shoes and rubber in between us.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, humanity in itself, like we've.
We've become disconnected from100, from the planet, from from
love.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We were so disconnected from from
everything that we're so focusedon, like literally the wrong
things, like some people get sointo down the rabbit holes of
politics and down the rabbitholes of religion and that's all
separation separation,separation, separation.
Like I can't I just don't havea capacity for that.
Like, can we focus on whatwe're more similar of than what
we're so different in?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
well, I think, when you have a really neat mushroom
experience, it's always goingback, it is because it's so
insightful, though, because,like, I see things different now
, I see that everything isconnected, everything.
We're literally all one.
We're all made of the exactsame stuff.
(16:14):
That black widow spider is madeof the same cosmic dust as I am
.
We're all made of the samething.
We're all created from the samething.
Nothing has more value thananything else.
We all have the same amount ofvalue.
So what affects you, affects me, I think.
Like if you hear somethingthat's going on in the other
(16:36):
side of the world like a newsstory and it's like, oh man,
that's, that's crazy, doesn'taffect your life, but you can
feel the pain of it, right, likeit's affects you because at
your core, you're actuallyconnected right and then if you
walked around the planet,looking at people and everything
, like they're, like anextension of you, with no
(16:57):
separation, what?
how can you hate on somebody?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
let's talk about judgment for a second, because I
feel like when we separateourselves from love, which we do
in a million different ways, weall are guilty of this.
We judge and judgment is such ahard thing.
I think that's like one of thebiggest lessons of being a human
on this earth is like learninghow to not judge judge yourself,
judge others and if you guyswill do another podcast on human
design but we're both reallyquite into that and, if you
(17:26):
don't know, brian is our onepercent unicorn.
He's a reflector and when he isin his not self, so when he's
sort of like I guess you'd say,out of alignment, your default
is disappointment, mine'sfrustration.
I'm a manifesting generator,but yours is disappointment and
I always kind of bug you orpeople that know you really well
(17:48):
they might say like you're alittle judgy yeah but you were
having an epiphany about thisyesterday yesterday I was what
was?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I was watering some flowers, I was filling the jug
to water the flowers and I wasjust kind of thinking about this
for some weird reason and Ilike I know I'm really judgy my
dad was really judgy but in likea really crazy way.
But I don't know if it'snecessarily judgment and like
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thinking bad of the other personI like I started to see it like
as a point where I becausethere's no separation and if,
like, we're all connected ifyou're doing something, I'm
judging you because you're doingsomething to yourself, like I
love you so much that I can'tstand seeing you do that to
(18:40):
yourself.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You love someone more than they love themselves yeah,
because one example I alwayswould say when, when peg my
friend, who will interview oneday about human design, I always
joke when, when she told me andtaught me that your thing was
disappointment, I was like thisis literally him at costco.
Like you will judge somebodybased on what is in their
shopping cart.
Like you're like well, that'snot healthy, like that's not
going to serve you, that's fullof sugar, that's full of gluten,
(19:02):
that's full of whatever.
But now you're saying that it'slike this other way of looking
at it, almost, because like whyare we sitting here trying to
harm ourselves when we're allconnected?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
We're all one and, like we talked about earlier,
it's looking at someone andaccepting them the way they are,
which is not judging them.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's so hard.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's very hard, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's a different awareness.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's just a different awareness.
If I can look at someone orsomething in a judging way, but
out of love, then I guess I canbe aware of it more in my own
life too.
I don't know.
It's a hard thing to thinkabout is about.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's like the love movement.
We need more love going on inour lives and even this.
What is love?
We don't have the answer, wedon't know.
This is just perspective, aconversation, something to get
your wheels turning and to thinkabout it in a more conscious
way.
Um, you know, I even think ofyou.
Know in our neighborhood, likethere's so many nice, perfectly
manicured lawns, and I love agood lawn.
I do not like any type of yardwork, I just like to enjoy a
nice yard and lawn andeverything and, like you, are
(20:14):
the guy that will never spray achemical on a thing no, and then
you have this epiphany aboutlike well, you're disrupting
everything that is like theecosystem that should be living
in.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, like a lawn is a monoculture.
There's nothing there.
There's nothing living there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You're not supporting and like why you want perfectly
manicured lawns yeah, it looksgreat, but you've killed off the
entire ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
There's no bees, there's no bugs, there's no
birds.
Don't land on it, becausethere's none to eat.
That's why the bears come toour house.
Yeah, that's just clover.
Yeah, it's like you thinkyou're giving your lawn love, so
it looks good, but you'reactually doing the opposite,
because you're killingeverything.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, and even like with Marty teaching him like I
don't know, we just get taughtwhen we're younger.
It's like you see a spider, youkill it and you like literally
teach him to catch it andrelease it.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, we let them outside.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
What did he step on the other day?
And you're like why did youstep on that?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
oh, I think it was an ant or something yeah, just it
was that one spider, but justteaching him not not to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Or like we see slugs walking all the time on hikes
and you'll pick it up and lookat it and talk to it and move it
over.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's like but if you have no separation from anything
and you're just like, okay,well, this is just a small
creature made of the same stuffthat I am I have a lot of work
to do when it comes to snakes,though it's yeah, so you haven't
advanced that far in your lifeyet.
What about?
Your mushroom trip and it's allabout snakes suffocating me,
like why is this little creaturenot allowed to to live it?
(21:38):
Just it's being small, it'sbeing in its full self just
expressing itself the way it isjust love it for that.
It looks scary.
Who cares?
That's it being it?
Yeah, totally so.
I just, I don't know.
I don't try to kill thingsanymore, I just try to move them
out of my way and you know, letthem be yeah, I've probably put
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a dozen spiders out here atleast since we got to this, this
new house, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
What else do you have to say before?
I know I want to end this withum ways that you can return to
love.
I guess you'd say but what elsedo you want to say on the topic
of what is love?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
um well, love is, you know, passing on the best of
you into someone else solely fortheir benefit so I like I can
pass the best onto marty and orsomeone else that I don't even
know.
Like it's like the kids that Imet on the hill back here that
were, you know, screwing around.
I went up there and I taughtthem a really good lesson about
(22:33):
a lot of stuff, but, um, itwasn't too.
It's not going to benefit me anyof the stuff that I was
teaching them, but it'll benefitthem yeah so just passing on
the best of you to someone elseI like that um, I really think
love is just like I guess itcomes back to like appreciation
and stuff, but just like lookingat something and just being in
(22:55):
total awe and wow.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Paying attention to what's in front of you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Literally whatever.
Okay, I love that yeah Payingattention, forgetting everything
except what is right in frontof you.
You like read the words off mypage.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I didn't even read them.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Wow, we're on the same frequency.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's a very loving frequency, but it's.
We're in a world where you knowyou say this a lot.
When there's, like especiallyright now, teenagers that'll
walk past you and their head isjust down in their phone,
they're not even looking,they're not looking up, they
don't aren't guilty of that atsome time.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It goes further than that too, like I was at the the
bike park the other day.
I was riding up and there was a, a kid he must have been like
17 ish years old and I went pastand I was like, oh, hey, man,
how's it going, how's your day?
And he just looked at me,didn't say a word.
I was like okay, have a goodone.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Like wow, I remember the other day too, there was
somebody.
Oh, we saw that kid runningtowards a bus and he met.
The bus didn't stop for him andhe was probably like 12 or
something, oh, and he startedcrying because he missed the bus
and you, we just felt so badfor him and you were like if we
were in a different world.
I would just stop and say hey,dude, where do you?
Were like if we were in adifferent world.
I would just stop and say heydude where do you want to go?
But we're in a world where nowyou're going to be the bad guy
(24:14):
if you stop and try to helpsomebody, people are like oh,
this guy's picking up kids.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Well, I see stuff like this happen all the time.
It's like someone just sittingthere walking with a flat tire
on their bike.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I want to.
Can we get back?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
there, yeah, or is this just how it is?
I would love to get back there.
How do we do that?
But it's like you do that andyou're going to be labeled as
you know, whatever, becausethere's x amount of bad people
out there have done somethingthat made you know yeah.
So, um, I think love iscreation, just in general.
We talked about the universe.
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I think just you know us beinghere having this conversation
and just creation in general.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Everything that's been created is a form of love I
think of like, creating a human, creating like when we had
marty, when anybody has any baby, when, when we were born, like
it's pure love.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I seen a video today this mama bear with her
two little cubs so cute andshe's just loving on them.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well, today I saw an eight week old puppy, just love.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Seeing this is a little.
I was watching some bees a fewweeks ago.
I was sitting, I went for abike ride, sitting on top of a
mountain, and I was justwatching bees with flowers, so,
and I was just like this isreally amazing, just watching
this whole thing and justwatching what was in front of me
, so like seeing a bee, you know, being drawn into the beauty of
a flower, and then you see thesunshine that's shining down on
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this flower, and then you see,okay, well, there was, you know,
rain was fell on this flowerand it helped it all grow, and
then the soil that nourishes theflower, and it was just like
everything's connectedeverything supporting each other
, and you could take that outfurther and further and further
and further until like the wholeworld and you see how connected
everything is.
And you know Mahatma Gandhi.
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He said where there is love,there is life.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's so true so you think about all the places that
there's not love yeah or there'snot life, there's no love, yeah
, where things are thriving,there's love, but like just
think of all the like horriblethings that go on in the world,
or like the wars, or likewhatever.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, that's, it's there's no life there, it's all
death and it's not love, it'sthe opposite there's, there's a
heavy topic there's.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
There's love there, but it's being overshadowed by,
you know, the bad yeah, that'strue.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
okay, well, what are some things that we can do to
return to love, as MarianneWilliamson says?
If you guys haven't read herbook, it's called a return Love.
Marianne Williamson will putall of these few books I'm
sitting here beside me in theshow notes, but I thought of a
few.
I don't know if you have anyothers to add.
Do you want me to do mine or doyou have anything else you want
?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
to say If there's some other ones, I can always
add them in the show notes.
Just thinking like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
what can we do to return to love?
So, first of all, when I thinkabout loving yourself, it's like
let's treat our bodies like atemple, not a garbage can.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, love is.
You know you got to loveyourself.
If you can see if you can lovesomeone else for who they are,
why can't you love yourself?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and that's like , for some reason, the hardest
thing.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's very hard because we're judging ourselves
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh my God, it seems so basic, but it's so hard.
Second and this is somethingyou always say is leave people
and places better than you foundit.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it's kind of a philosophy.
I can't even remember where itcame from.
Um, I can't either.
You've been doing it for solong, but I walk around
everywhere with that, like Ismile to people in the grocery
store, I wave at people anddrive them by Like I'm always
doing something.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
You're always picking up garbage.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Always picking up garbage.
And then that's the thing too,don't like.
You see garbage on the ground,you go oh, you get all mad.
You know why did people putthis here?
Pick it up.
But if you're really, you know,out of love, you're not judging
why the garbage was there.
You just say, okay, there'sgarbage here, I'm gonna make it
better and pick it up and pickit up um, so I love that one
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leave people in places betterthan you found them.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And then third is and sometimes this is hard too, for
whatever reason, but tellpeople that you love them and
tell yourself that you loveyourself, but really mean it.
I was gonna say but mean itbecause you can always be like
okay, love you, love you too,like it's so meaningless yeah
but yeah, mean it yeah, like youwere gone last week in vegas.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You got stuck there because of the strike and I had
like a longing for you becauseyou weren't here.
I wanted to hug you, I wantedjust your presence and yeah,
that's special.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's been almost 24 years and you still long for me,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And then you got home and it's just everything just
feels right.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
And as it should in arelationship.
Mm-hmm.
And that is the love movement Imean our toddler.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I love him too, even when he's absolutely throwing a
shit fit.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, and I actually tell him that sometimes well,
our one of our original mentors,um, you'll probably hear us
talk about him, but his name'skeith kokner and he always
something he said this was.
I mean, I started working withhim when I was 24, so I didn't
have my son till I was like 34,so this was 10 years prior and I
remember him saying a lesson hewould teach his kids is that
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whatever decisions they wouldmake, he would always tell them
that I always love the chooser,even if I don't love the choices
yeah and I feel like thatlesson alone could change the
world, because so many people,when their parents are mad at
them and maybe you even strugglewith this listening you know,
as an adult, it's like you maybedid something in your life that
(30:12):
you're not proud of or someonewas mad at you for, but you make
up a story that like yourparents hate you, or your
parents this or that about you,but like they probably hate you,
or your parents this or thatabout you, but like they
probably love you still.
They just don't love the choicesyou made.
And I think, like that'ssomething I want to raise marty
knowing like clearly thatthere's going to be things he
does, that we don't love thosechoices, but we'll always love
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him as the chooser yep I don'twant to ever go and affect his
like worth.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, he doesn't need to do things to try to seek
love or attention from us.
He's just always going to knowhe has it.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, and every choice has prices and benefits.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Every moment's a choice.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Every moment's a choice and every choice has
prices and benefits.
Thanks, keith.
Those are some words to live byall these years later, like 15
years later, but I hope thathelps you guys just with a
little bit of um insight,conversation around.
You know what is love, and we'dlove to hear from you guys like
shoot us a message.
That's part of what thispodcast is about too is to like
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create conversation and to justspread more love that's the goal
.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
What do you guys can do today?
Spread some more love.
But yeah, I want to hear yourtake on it.
Yeah, too thanks for tuning inyeah, hope this has been a
loving episode.
I hope you love listening to itas much as we loved.
Oh my god love doing it, and welove you, and and we love you.
(31:40):
You guys stay awesome.
you're listening to the love movement with your
hosts britney and brian johnston.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're starting a movement centered around love to
help raise the vibration ofthis beautiful planet.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat
about many topics all centeredaround three main pillars Loving
yourself, loving each other andloving the planet.
So if you're ready, let's jumpin.
So, on today's episode of theLove Movement, we are going to
talk about what is love.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What is love?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
This is something we've been talking about for a
long time.
What is love?
This is something we've beentalking about for a long time.
Like months, I feel like we'vebeen talking about this topic,
trying to figure out what toshare on this podcast, because
it's like a really hard todescribe topic and there's no
actual answer.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's such a hard topic to talk about and we're
gonna.
We're gonna talk about somestuff, we got some ideas, but I
feel like you could go to likeinsane, like academia style
study just trying to figure outwhat love is.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sitting here beside a stack of four books
from my bookshelf that are allabout love and I felt like I
needed to read them all beforewe talked here.
But really I just felt like wewent for a walk the one day with
the dogs and we were talkingabout like what is love, what
isn't love, and we should havejust recorded that conversation.
(01:33):
Well, we heard most of it, butnot not in a studio, yeah,
anyway, not that this is astudio, it's a good thing we're
not on video.
But what would you say, likeshort answer, if I was to say to
you what is love?
What do you say?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
it's.
It's so broad, like I did somepretty good reflection on it one
day and I've got like a list ofthings.
But I think what?
Like, when most people justthink of love, they just think
of, oh, like you're, you're inlove with someone, it's like a
feeling that you just havetowards someone.
You think that's just love.
(02:03):
I think that's one kind of love, I think it goes way deeper
than that, but I think that'swhen society thinks about love.
They just think of a romanticrelationship, or loving others,
loving others, or something youknow you love your kids but I
think it goes way deeper thanthat, like way deeper than that.
So when I was trying todescribe it, I like I got a list
(02:27):
here of things that I can godeep on every single topic, of
every single one of these points, but I'm I'm just gonna talk
about them, sure, and uh, andyou guys can, you know,
self-reflect on this on your ownand you might have your own
spin.
Um, this is just what I came upwith and bernie's gonna have
(02:47):
her own thing too.
So, uh, first of all, love isfrequency.
We all know that 528 hertz,that's what.
That's what love is.
I don't know how they figuredthat out.
528 520 hertz is a frequency,so we just did a little five
minute meditation before this.
Listen to 528 hertz is afrequency, so we just did a
little five-minute meditationbefore this.
Listen to 528 hertz music and Idon't know it feels good.
(03:09):
I like that frequency.
So I think love can besomething you give to someone.
It can be something you receiveand you can feel it from
someone.
But, like you know this is oneof my notes here is like you
know, where does where does thatgo when, when someone passes
(03:29):
away?
I remember when our dog passedaway.
Just gonna say, yeah, it remindsme of bailey yeah, when our dog
passed away, it was like we hadthis love for this dog and all
of a sudden the dog was gone.
But it was just like so hardbecause we didn't have a place
for that love to go anymore itwas just like a weird weird
thing right.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So five months later we got blaze another dog to.
Not that it was replacingbailey, but it was like you
needed somewhere to put yourlove yeah, but where does it
come from initially?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
yeah, like it starts as nothing.
It's, there's nothing there andall of a sudden you you have
love it.
Just it's like it grows and itcan be instant.
You can have like instant loveor something you just like see,
something like, oh, I love it.
I love how that makes me feelyou know, but I think it can
grow too.
It grows with people a lot ofthe time.
(04:16):
Um so yeah, I talked about loveis, uh, you know, a feeling in
relationships.
Uh, it can be like an instantattraction to something or
someone.
I think love is having trust insomeone.
You can put like your whole youknow safety, your whole life in
(04:37):
someone else's hands.
I think that just is like aform of love, um, an
appreciation for something.
Uh is love, you know, showinggratitude, like when you're in a
frequency of like gratitude.
I feel like that's just likeone of the best feelings, when
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you just like just so gratefulfor everything around you, all
that you have not looking at thethings that you don't have.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So true, even just tonight, sitting out on the
front patio looking at thecolors of the sky and the sun
setting over the mountains, it'slike I keep saying to you since
we moved to Vancouver Islandnot that there's anything
against the prairies, but that'sjust what we're used to and
it's almost like when things areright in front of you, you
don't see it.
And moving out here, it's likewhen I look at the ocean and I
(05:31):
look at the mountains and I lookat the sky.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's like the cells in my body change.
It's like a overwhelmingfeeling in my body.
Yeah, it's a gratitude feeling.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's just like every day when I drive marty to
daycare, preschool, I feel itjust on the drive and just like
wow the first time I drove tothe airport from here I just had
like tears in my eyes and it'snot like I was sad, I was just
like I cannot believe the amountof like love and gratitude to
have for this place and evenpeople that have lived here.
They're like I love drivingaround with you because it's
(05:55):
like I forget what's right infront of me and that's kind of
how we were when we were in theprairies, right, yeah,
definitely, because there'sthings that I miss about the
prairies.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I love a good thunderstorm.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I miss a thunderstorm so much, so much.
You know we're just like areally beautiful, vibrant sunset
that you can just see endlessly.
Yeah, yeah, it's interestingwhen you think about all those
different things.
And you were saying the one daywe were walking, you were like
everything is love, it's likethe sun shining on the trees and
it's like the smell of theflowers.
(06:26):
And you walk past.
I think of like Bouchard gardenswhen we go there, like that is
a frequency.
That place I even think of likeoh my gosh, if you guys follow
me on Instagram, you've seen thesaga of our black widow spiders
under our front step.
And yesterday was it?
We had a black widow spider ina jam jar on our counter and I
(06:48):
said to brian, where did it go?
And he said it's gone.
And I was like but did you killit?
You're like it's gone with this, like cheeky, look on your face
.
I knew he didn't kill it.
You don't have the heart tokill even a black widow spider.
He went out behind her houseand, like released it in the
forest.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
That is love.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, that's love.
Thing deserves to live.
We're all made.
And this is where they live.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
They live here Under our front step.
Like all of these, things arelove you know?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah.
So what I talked about yeah,love is an appreciation, can be
an acceptance for things andjust like how things are like
just seeing how something is andjust like appreciating it for
what it is.
Yeah, like it could be a person, or it could be this tree, like
we have this idea of, like atree in our head, like, think of
a tree you think of, like aperfect tree.
(07:40):
Go look in the forest.
Is there any trees like that?
No, every tree is completelydifferent.
They're completely unique.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, when we're hiking, the trees that we stop
and look at and take pictures ofare all the unique ones.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, they're all the weirdest looking trees.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Growing in different directions Huge trees, trees
with holes.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You just accept them and you just love that.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You know how something someone is well, do
you think it comes out like whenyou're, whether it's sad or
happy, like when you get to thatpoint of tears?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Like you can just like feel it.
Yeah.
That's like the overflowinglove you should tell the story
about when you were hiking withMarty.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Okay, so we were.
Yeah, last week, marty and Iwent on a hike.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
So for those of you, who don't know, he's our three
and a half year old son.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, three and a half year old.
He was in the carrier on myback and he just loves looking
at everything.
I show him stuff in the forestall the time.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And you're bringing his attention to things always.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, he thinks it's super cool and we went past a
spot he's never been past before.
It was a clear cut wherethey're doing a housing
development and it's just likeyou're walking in this beautiful
forest all of a sudden opens upand it's just bare earth and
rocks that have been, you know,you know, exploded, and it's
(09:15):
just.
It's just, it's a scene.
It's like a scene.
It's like when, when we look atit, we know what's going on.
So I was just telling him I'mlike, oh, they're going to build
houses here and they, they tookall the trees away and they
were, you know, blowing up rocksand making it, making room for
houses, and he goes.
That hurts my heart and he goes.
That hurts your heart too, likeI didn't.
(09:35):
I just told him what it was.
I didn't, I didn't put myfeelings toward it on him, I
just explained this is what this, this clearing, is here, and he
just knew at the core of hisbody that that was wrong.
He just had a love for thetrees that used to be there, the
forest that used to be there,and then he goes, he goes, the
(09:57):
forest is broken I cannotbelieve.
He said that and just yeah wiseold little soul yeah, just his
insight into it, like he hasn'tbeen on earth long enough to
have like an opinion aboutthings, but he just innately
knew that that was like that wasa wrong thing.
He because you know the earthis, we should be loving the
(10:18):
earth and he's seen theinjustice that was happening
there.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Right, it's pretty wild yeah, I love that story.
I feel like that's veryinsightful for three definitely
oh my gosh.
Um.
One thing I always notice whenpeople talk about love and it's
usually when it comes with deathfor whatever reason, like
anybody that's had a near-deathexperience and they're talking
about it, it's always the sameexample or like description you
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feel ultimate love of just thisoverwhelming, unexplainable,
complete, encompassing, purelove yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
touch on, uh, something here themushroom experience okay, let's
go back to that okay and Idon't know what kind of chemical
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thing goes on in the brain whenyou're like near death or when
you're in a mushroom experience.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
but a mushroom experience is one of the most
mind altering things becauseit's that kind of love and
people, people that have hadnear death experience, have
actually said that when they'vedone, you know, mushroom trips
or lsd trips and stuff, thatit's like the same kind of thing
, it's very similar crazybecause you had that feeling.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
If you guys listen to the podcast on brian's mushroom
trip, you had that experience.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah it's otherworldly type of of love
that like you could not get inthis on this plane.
Like it's, it was overwhelming,it was insane.
I felt like I was being crushedby love.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
It was so intense that's so it was amazing though
it's like absolutely amazinglike that makes me want to do a
mushroom trip yeah I'm stillover here, scared, haven't done
we'll get you there.
One day we'll have my ownepisode um, which, yeah, also
brings me to like the point of Idon't know if you want to go
here yet, but you know, andagain this can go down a
(12:09):
different path of like religionand what you believe or whatever
, and I don't really necessarilywant this podcast to go there.
But this is just about ourconversations and what we think
and believe.
But it's like you know, hell,does hell exist?
And I just feel like, well, Idon't think it does.
(12:29):
I feel like hell is like beingon earth a little bit.
That's like the lessons we havehere.
It's hard, it's dark, it'sheavy, like there's a lot going
on here and I even think ofpeople like you know.
We've had people in our life,and even some recent like
suicide, and the only thing thatbrings me any sort of like
peace is knowing that the minutethat they leave this earth
they're experiencing thatall-encompassing love that they
(12:51):
clearly did not have because itbrought them to a place of
suicide yeah, I don't thinkthere's a hell, I think it's a
man-made thing.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
yeah, I think when when I mean this is my belief,
but I think when you die, youreturn to source and I think
this whole universe is love.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
You were talking about we went for a walk,
remember?
You were talking about like weare just floating in this ball
of dirt.
Yeah, floating ball of dirt inspace.
How did you say that I?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
mean, okay, well, think about when you zoom out,
yeah, okay, Well, just thinkabout the planet right now.
There's all the stuff going onon the planet there's wars,
there's, you know, hate, there'sall this stuff.
What we need is more love.
Yeah, love is gonna, you knowhence the podcast hence the
podcast.
So when you zoom out and lookat Earth floating there a ball
(13:49):
of dirt in the middle offreaking nowhere and you look at
like okay, we're having allthese problems, when you zoom
out you're like what's theproblem?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Why are we creating all these problems for ourself?
And then you zoom out furtherand like Earth is smaller than a
grain of sand on the biggestbeach you could possibly think
of, in like the expanse of, likethe whole universe.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And we think it's like everything.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, and we think our problems are everything when
it's insignificant.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Absolutely insignificant.
So I think love is creation.
The fact that we can even besitting here having this
conversation is when, if youreally really think about it, is
absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Totally and like talking about like what is love
also, Like what is the oppositeof love, Kind of what you just
described.
Well like all the injustices,all the bullshit going on in
this planet separation,separation yeah, seeing things
as separate from you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Everyone's separate, everything is separate.
I think that's the opposite oflove, like I what einstein said,
the the greatest illusion isthe illusion of separation,
because everything is connected.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, which is why Marty felt that way about
something happening to the earth, why our feet should be in the
ground and we should be groundedand connected, but no, we have
shoes and rubber in between us.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, humanity in itself, like we've.
We've become disconnected from100, from the planet, from from
love.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
We were so disconnected from from
everything that we're so focusedon, like literally the wrong
things, like some people get sointo down the rabbit holes of
politics and down the rabbitholes of religion and that's all
separation separation,separation, separation.
Like I can't I just don't havea capacity for that.
Like, can we focus on whatwe're more similar of than what
we're so different in?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
well, I think, when you have a really neat mushroom
experience, it's always goingback, it is because it's so
insightful, though, because,like, I see things different now
, I see that everything isconnected, everything.
We're literally all one.
We're all made of the exactsame stuff.
(16:14):
That black widow spider is madeof the same cosmic dust as I am
.
We're all made of the samething.
We're all created from the samething.
Nothing has more value thananything else.
We all have the same amount ofvalue.
So what affects you, affects me, I think.
Like if you hear somethingthat's going on in the other
(16:36):
side of the world like a newsstory and it's like, oh man,
that's, that's crazy, doesn'taffect your life, but you can
feel the pain of it, right, likeit's affects you because at
your core, you're actuallyconnected right and then if you
walked around the planet,looking at people and everything
, like they're, like anextension of you, with no
(16:57):
separation, what?
how can you hate on somebody?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
let's talk about judgment for a second, because I
feel like when we separateourselves from love, which we do
in a million different ways, weall are guilty of this.
We judge and judgment is such ahard thing.
I think that's like one of thebiggest lessons of being a human
on this earth is like learninghow to not judge judge yourself,
judge others and if you guyswill do another podcast on human
design but we're both reallyquite into that and, if you
(17:26):
don't know, brian is our onepercent unicorn.
He's a reflector and when he isin his not self, so when he's
sort of like I guess you'd say,out of alignment, your default
is disappointment, mine'sfrustration.
I'm a manifesting generator,but yours is disappointment and
I always kind of bug you orpeople that know you really well
(17:48):
they might say like you're alittle judgy yeah but you were
having an epiphany about thisyesterday yesterday I was what
was?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I was watering some flowers, I was filling the jug
to water the flowers and I wasjust kind of thinking about this
for some weird reason and Ilike I know I'm really judgy my
dad was really judgy but in likea really crazy way.
But I don't know if it'snecessarily judgment and like
(18:18):
thinking bad of the other personI like I started to see it like
as a point where I becausethere's no separation and if,
like, we're all connected ifyou're doing something, I'm
judging you because you're doingsomething to yourself, like I
love you so much that I can'tstand seeing you do that to
(18:40):
yourself.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You love someone more than they love themselves yeah,
because one example I alwayswould say when, when peg my
friend, who will interview oneday about human design, I always
joke when, when she told me andtaught me that your thing was
disappointment, I was like thisis literally him at costco.
Like you will judge somebodybased on what is in their
shopping cart.
Like you're like well, that'snot healthy, like that's not
going to serve you, that's fullof sugar, that's full of gluten,
(19:02):
that's full of whatever.
But now you're saying that it'slike this other way of looking
at it, almost, because like whyare we sitting here trying to
harm ourselves when we're allconnected?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
We're all one and, like we talked about earlier,
it's looking at someone andaccepting them the way they are,
which is not judging them.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's so hard.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's very hard, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's a different awareness.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's just a different awareness.
If I can look at someone orsomething in a judging way, but
out of love, then I guess I canbe aware of it more in my own
life too.
I don't know.
It's a hard thing to thinkabout is about.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's like the love movement.
We need more love going on inour lives and even this.
What is love?
We don't have the answer, wedon't know.
This is just perspective, aconversation, something to get
your wheels turning and to thinkabout it in a more conscious
way.
Um, you know, I even think ofyou.
Know in our neighborhood, likethere's so many nice, perfectly
manicured lawns, and I love agood lawn.
I do not like any type of yardwork, I just like to enjoy a
nice yard and lawn andeverything and, like you, are
(20:14):
the guy that will never spray achemical on a thing no, and then
you have this epiphany aboutlike well, you're disrupting
everything that is like theecosystem that should be living
in.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, like a lawn is a monoculture.
There's nothing there.
There's nothing living there.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You're not supporting and like why you want perfectly
manicured lawns yeah, it looksgreat, but you've killed off the
entire ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
There's no bees, there's no bugs, there's no
birds.
Don't land on it, becausethere's none to eat.
That's why the bears come toour house.
Yeah, that's just clover.
Yeah, it's like you thinkyou're giving your lawn love, so
it looks good, but you'reactually doing the opposite,
because you're killingeverything.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, and even like with Marty teaching him like I
don't know, we just get taughtwhen we're younger.
It's like you see a spider, youkill it and you like literally
teach him to catch it andrelease it.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, we let them outside.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
What did he step on the other day?
And you're like why did youstep on that?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
oh, I think it was an ant or something yeah, just it
was that one spider, but justteaching him not not to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Or like we see slugs walking all the time on hikes
and you'll pick it up and lookat it and talk to it and move it
over.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's like but if you have no separation from anything
and you're just like, okay,well, this is just a small
creature made of the same stuffthat I am I have a lot of work
to do when it comes to snakes,though it's yeah, so you haven't
advanced that far in your lifeyet.
What about?
Your mushroom trip and it's allabout snakes suffocating me,
like why is this little creaturenot allowed to to live it?
(21:38):
Just it's being small, it'sbeing in its full self just
expressing itself the way it isjust love it for that.
It looks scary.
Who cares?
That's it being it?
Yeah, totally so.
I just, I don't know.
I don't try to kill thingsanymore, I just try to move them
out of my way and you know, letthem be yeah, I've probably put
(21:58):
a dozen spiders out here atleast since we got to this, this
new house, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
What else do you have to say before?
I know I want to end this withum ways that you can return to
love.
I guess you'd say but what elsedo you want to say on the topic
of what is love?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
um well, love is, you know, passing on the best of
you into someone else solely fortheir benefit so I like I can
pass the best onto marty and orsomeone else that I don't even
know.
Like it's like the kids that Imet on the hill back here that
were, you know, screwing around.
I went up there and I taughtthem a really good lesson about
(22:33):
a lot of stuff, but, um, itwasn't too.
It's not going to benefit me anyof the stuff that I was
teaching them, but it'll benefitthem yeah so just passing on
the best of you to someone elseI like that um, I really think
love is just like I guess itcomes back to like appreciation
and stuff, but just like lookingat something and just being in
(22:55):
total awe and wow.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Paying attention to what's in front of you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Literally whatever.
Okay, I love that yeah Payingattention, forgetting everything
except what is right in frontof you.
You like read the words off mypage.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I didn't even read them.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Wow, we're on the same frequency.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
It's a very loving frequency, but it's.
We're in a world where you knowyou say this a lot.
When there's, like especiallyright now, teenagers that'll
walk past you and their head isjust down in their phone,
they're not even looking,they're not looking up, they
don't aren't guilty of that atsome time.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
It goes further than that too, like I was at the the
bike park the other day.
I was riding up and there was a, a kid he must have been like
17 ish years old and I went pastand I was like, oh, hey, man,
how's it going, how's your day?
And he just looked at me,didn't say a word.
I was like okay, have a goodone.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Like wow, I remember the other day too, there was
somebody.
Oh, we saw that kid runningtowards a bus and he met.
The bus didn't stop for him andhe was probably like 12 or
something, oh, and he startedcrying because he missed the bus
and you, we just felt so badfor him and you were like if we
were in a different world.
I would just stop and say hey,dude, where do you?
Were like if we were in adifferent world.
I would just stop and say heydude where do you want to go?
But we're in a world where nowyou're going to be the bad guy
(24:14):
if you stop and try to helpsomebody, people are like oh,
this guy's picking up kids.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Well, I see stuff like this happen all the time.
It's like someone just sittingthere walking with a flat tire
on their bike.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I want to.
Can we get back?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
there, yeah, or is this just how it is?
I would love to get back there.
How do we do that?
But it's like you do that andyou're going to be labeled as
you know, whatever, becausethere's x amount of bad people
out there have done somethingthat made you know yeah.
So, um, I think love iscreation, just in general.
We talked about the universe.
(24:55):
I think just you know us beinghere having this conversation
and just creation in general.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Everything that's been created is a form of love I
think of like, creating a human, creating like when we had
marty, when anybody has any baby, when, when we were born, like
it's pure love.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I seen a video today this mama bear with her
two little cubs so cute andshe's just loving on them.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Well, today I saw an eight week old puppy, just love.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Seeing this is a little.
I was watching some bees a fewweeks ago.
I was sitting, I went for abike ride, sitting on top of a
mountain, and I was justwatching bees with flowers, so,
and I was just like this isreally amazing, just watching
this whole thing and justwatching what was in front of me
, so like seeing a bee, you know, being drawn into the beauty of
a flower, and then you see thesunshine that's shining down on
(25:49):
this flower, and then you see,okay, well, there was, you know,
rain was fell on this flowerand it helped it all grow, and
then the soil that nourishes theflower, and it was just like
everything's connectedeverything supporting each other
, and you could take that outfurther and further and further
and further until like the wholeworld and you see how connected
everything is.
And you know Mahatma Gandhi.
(26:10):
He said where there is love,there is life.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's so true so you think about all the places that
there's not love yeah or there'snot life, there's no love, yeah
, where things are thriving,there's love, but like just
think of all the like horriblethings that go on in the world,
or like the wars, or likewhatever.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, that's, it's there's no life there, it's all
death and it's not love, it'sthe opposite there's, there's a
heavy topic there's.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
There's love there, but it's being overshadowed by,
you know, the bad yeah, that'strue.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
okay, well, what are some things that we can do to
return to love, as MarianneWilliamson says?
If you guys haven't read herbook, it's called a return Love.
Marianne Williamson will putall of these few books I'm
sitting here beside me in theshow notes, but I thought of a
few.
I don't know if you have anyothers to add.
Do you want me to do mine or doyou have anything else you want
?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
to say If there's some other ones, I can always
add them in the show notes.
Just thinking like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
what can we do to return to love?
So, first of all, when I thinkabout loving yourself, it's like
let's treat our bodies like atemple, not a garbage can.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, love is.
You know you got to loveyourself.
If you can see if you can lovesomeone else for who they are,
why can't you love yourself?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, and that's like , for some reason, the hardest
thing.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's very hard because we're judging ourselves
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh my God, it seems so basic, but it's so hard.
Second and this is somethingyou always say is leave people
and places better than you foundit.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it's kind of a philosophy.
I can't even remember where itcame from.
Um, I can't either.
You've been doing it for solong, but I walk around
everywhere with that, like Ismile to people in the grocery
store, I wave at people anddrive them by Like I'm always
doing something.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
You're always picking up garbage.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Always picking up garbage.
And then that's the thing too,don't like.
You see garbage on the ground,you go oh, you get all mad.
You know why did people putthis here?
Pick it up.
But if you're really, you know,out of love, you're not judging
why the garbage was there.
You just say, okay, there'sgarbage here, I'm gonna make it
better and pick it up and pickit up um, so I love that one
(28:29):
leave people in places betterthan you found them.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And then third is and sometimes this is hard too, for
whatever reason, but tellpeople that you love them and
tell yourself that you loveyourself, but really mean it.
I was gonna say but mean itbecause you can always be like
okay, love you, love you too,like it's so meaningless yeah
but yeah, mean it yeah, like youwere gone last week in vegas.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
You got stuck there because of the strike and I had
like a longing for you becauseyou weren't here.
I wanted to hug you, I wantedjust your presence and yeah,
that's special.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's been almost 24 years and you still long for me,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And then you got home and it's just everything just
feels right.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
And as it should in arelationship.
Mm-hmm.
And that is the love movement Imean our toddler.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I love him too, even when he's absolutely throwing a
shit fit.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, and I actually tell him that sometimes well,
our one of our original mentors,um, you'll probably hear us
talk about him, but his name'skeith kokner and he always
something he said this was.
I mean, I started working withhim when I was 24, so I didn't
have my son till I was like 34,so this was 10 years prior and I
remember him saying a lesson hewould teach his kids is that
(29:50):
whatever decisions they wouldmake, he would always tell them
that I always love the chooser,even if I don't love the choices
yeah and I feel like thatlesson alone could change the
world, because so many people,when their parents are mad at
them and maybe you even strugglewith this listening you know,
as an adult, it's like you maybedid something in your life that
(30:12):
you're not proud of or someonewas mad at you for, but you make
up a story that like yourparents hate you, or your
parents this or that about you,but like they probably hate you,
or your parents this or thatabout you, but like they
probably love you still.
They just don't love the choicesyou made.
And I think, like that'ssomething I want to raise marty
knowing like clearly thatthere's going to be things he
does, that we don't love thosechoices, but we'll always love
(30:33):
him as the chooser yep I don'twant to ever go and affect his
like worth.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, he doesn't need to do things to try to seek
love or attention from us.
He's just always going to knowhe has it.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, and every choice has prices and benefits.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Every moment's a choice.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Every moment's a choice and every choice has
prices and benefits.
Thanks, keith.
Those are some words to live byall these years later, like 15
years later, but I hope thathelps you guys just with a
little bit of um insight,conversation around.
You know what is love, and we'dlove to hear from you guys like
shoot us a message.
That's part of what thispodcast is about too is to like
(31:15):
create conversation and to justspread more love that's the goal
.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
What do you guys can do today?
Spread some more love.
But yeah, I want to hear yourtake on it.
Yeah, too thanks for tuning inyeah, hope this has been a
loving episode.
I hope you love listening to itas much as we loved.
Oh my god love doing it, and welove you, and and we love you.
(31:40):
You guys stay awesome.
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