August 8, 2024 • 33 mins
Imagine waking up one day with a newfound sense of confidence and clarity. That's exactly what happened to Brian after his transformative experience with mushroom therapy just two weeks earlier. Join us in this episode of the Love Movement as we uncover the profound impacts of his journey, from a heightened presence with his son, to a shift towards meditative music, all while feeling like he underwent "soul surgery." This isn't just Brian's story; it's a gateway to understanding the untapped potential of psilocybin mushrooms in mental health and well-being.
Ever wondered how something as natural as mushrooms can promote neuroplasticity or help break the chains of addiction? We'll explore these benefits, shedding light on the therapeutic potential of psilocybin mushrooms. From easing anxiety about dying to the creation of new neural pathways, these fungi are more than just a trip—they're a tool for transformation. But with great power comes great responsibility; we'll discuss the importance of proper setup, mindset, and the risks involved, including why picking wild mushrooms isn't a good idea and the importance of sourcing from reputable companies.
Ready to embark on your own journey? We'll guide you through the essentials of safely navigating a mushroom trip, from the importance of 'set and setting' to the crucial integration process afterward. Discover how to create a safe and comfortable environment, the role of music in shaping your experience, and why some conditions make mushroom use a no-go. Embark on this adventure with us and open yourself up to new perspectives and deeper connections.
Brian's Mushroom Playlist
James' Mushroom Trip Checklist
James Xander, Beginners guide to psychedelic trips: 8 things to know before your first trip.
James Xander Mushroom Podcast - Psychedelic podcast with amazing interviews.
Andrew Hubberman, How Psilocybin can rewire your brain, it's therapeutic Benefits & risks (he has many other mushrooms related ones as well) -
Disclaimer:
1. Legal Considerations: Personal use of psilocybin (the primary psychoactive compound in magic mushrooms) is legal in some places, but retail sales are generally not permitted. Adults can grow, possess, and share psilocybin for personal use, but selling it is prohibited.
2. Responsible Use: While some people explore the therapeutic potential of psilocybin, it’s essential to emphasize responsible use. Always verify the legality of psilocybin in your specific location and follow any local regulations. If you choose to consume magic mushrooms, consider factors like set, setting, and dosage to ensure a safe and positive experience.
3. Never eat or pick wild mushrooms. This discussion is solely for entertainment purposes and is not intended to persuade anyone to try mushrooms. The discussion is our own personal view and should not be taken as fact, always do your own research.
Disclaimer:
Remember that individual responses to psychedelics can vary, and it’s crucial to approach them with respect and caution. 🍄✨
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Love Movement with your
hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Brittany and Brian Johnston.
We're starting a movementcentered around love to help
raise the vibration of thisbeautiful planet.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
If that's your vibe, hang out with us as we chat
about many topics all centeredaround three main pillars Loving
yourself, loving each other andloving the planet.
So if you're ready, let's jumpin.
Okay, so we're going to talkmore about mushrooms.
I'm excited.
We're going to talk more aboutmushrooms.
I'm excited.
We're going to talk aboutbenefits, potential risks.
I think you know why are peopleafraid to do this, what's the
(00:32):
stigma around it, all of that,how to safely do a mushroom drip
, what happens after and likethe integration process, and a
little bit more about yourjourney two weeks ago now.
So let's just do a disclaimer.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, I think we need to do a disclaimer because
we're not experts.
These are opinions.
This is just coming from theresearch I've done, and I do a
lot of research when I when Idive into something and yeah, we
don't sell mushrooms.
Mushrooms, arerooms areapparently illegal.
Why they're illegal, that's awhole other podcast, that's
(01:11):
another episode, something thatwe'll probably never do.
But yeah, this is actually,this is plant medicine and we
want to get into, yeah, how toexplore it a little bit more
okay.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So first, you know, it's been two weeks, pretty much
exactly, since your first realexperience with your journey
mushroom journey.
Um, I want to ask you what haveyou noticed?
How are you feeling?
What's different?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
it's really interesting.
Um, I feel like I'm likewalking in a new, like a new
confidence, like a new light,like I'm just like my eyes have
been opened and I just seethings different.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, it's like you can't unsee what you saw during
that, no, you can't I feel likeyou've talked to me about it
every day since it happened.
Yeah, it's like something soprofound you can't come out the
other side without beingdifferent in like in, like a
good way okay, first of all, Idon't know how many days after
the trip this was, it was well.
After we recorded the firstepisode about it, you were like,
(02:16):
oh yeah, there was this reallycool thing that happened and I
was floored.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What you told me so I feel like you have to tell
everybody because it's it's sodeep it's probably one of the
more profound things thathappened on the trip.
So I was kind of like it's likeI was sitting there and I was
like spinning and there waspieces of like these pixelated
chunks like flying out of myhead and just like going off
into space.
And while this was happening itwas, it was like the parts of
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me that I wanted to get rid of,that I wanted to change that.
I you know pieces I didn't likeabout myself and while this was
happening, I was, I just was.
I remember like tearing up withlike joy and just being like so
relieved that this washappening.
I was just watching it and Iwas just like it's, just like a
(03:09):
weight was being lifted off myshoulders.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's so unreal so the crazy thing is that I'm
talking to my cousin a couple ofdays later and we were talking
about Reiki and energy healingand all this stuff, and she
starts explaining this conceptto me, which sounds very similar
to what you explained just now,and she said it's called soul
surgery.
And I had to stop her and I waslike, wait a second, this is
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what happened to brian on thetrip.
Like that sounds exactly likewhat you're talking about.
So I don't know if that'saccurate information or not, but
I feel like you gave yourselfsoul surgery because it
definitely, definitely felt likesoul surgery.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I can't wait to get into that more.
Oh my God, okay, well let'stalk about it.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So what are some of the benefits?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, well, I have more stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, you talk about what you want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So, continuing, the last couple of weeks I've
noticed like an elevated mood.
I've been less disturbed bythings that normally set me off
there.
I've been less disturbed bythings that normally set me off.
There's less fucks given.
That's good.
Yeah, I feel more connected toeverything I've.
You know I had glimpses of whatit's like to like deeply feel
(04:16):
in love at, like this out ofworld level, and there's a sense
of something bigger, which ispretty, which is pretty neat,
more joy.
I definitely feel more present,definitely like playing with
marty this last week definitelyfeel more present our
three-year-old son for anybody,yeah, our three-year-old son
marty.
Um, I listen to a lot of uh,like hip-hop and like reggae and
(04:40):
I still love reggae, but Ireally noticed this last couple
weeks that I didn't really wantto listen to that anymore.
I wanted to listen to more likemeditative style music.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I just felt like this , like chill vibe, or it was
just like just like a, like apeaceful presence and so I just
want, like I'm in the car andI'm listening to, like
meditation kind of music I knowwe listened to it on the way
into town with marty and I kindof liked it yeah it actually
made him feel really calm yeah,it was just.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was just really nice.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I just that was like a really weird thing, it was
your mushroom trip playlist thatyou have right that's some of
the stuff I listen to, becausesince I found out you've had
that and you put in so much work.
I've been listening to it in myoffice when I need to like
focus and it actually, I swearto god, helps me focus yeah,
I'll talk about how importantmusic is later okay cool.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Another thing I thought was really neat is well,
I'm more open to things now Iquestion things more.
I I found myself even during thetrip that I was I would
experience something really neatabout myself, or a situation or
something happened to pass andI would.
I was finding myself in themiddle of the trip just being
like huh, like wow, just likedoing this, like weird, like wow
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face like just surprised.
I'm just like questioning, likethat's neat, that's neat,
that's cool, instead of likesomething setting you off and
being scared of whatever came up.
Just be like, oh, wow, it'slike let's go down that path.
It's just like a more, likelike an awareness, just noticing
my thoughts more and justquestioning what's happening
(06:13):
rather than being like reactiveto it interesting yeah, that's
exactly what I'm sayingI'm like interesting, that's
interesting.
So I just that's how I kind oflook at things now, just like,
huh interesting, you know whatis that all about?
Instead of you know having areaction.
It's like, I guess, coming froma neutral place yeah, it's more
of a neutral place, like, yeah,it was really neat.
So those are the things Inoticed the last couple weeks.
(06:35):
There's probably more, butthat's uh.
That's the main things okay,cool.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, do you want to go back then to benefits?
Where do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
yeah, so this is a list of benefits that um I found
just through my research.
Um, there's probably more, butuh, really really helps people
with depression, anxiety, and itlasts longer than, from the
studies that I've read, thanyour typical antidepressant
(07:04):
medicine, ssris that they calllike it's.
It's a longer, more, um I don'tknow deeply integrated fix, I
guess, than taking thesepharmaceutical drugs, uh, ptsd.
It really, really helps withptsd.
Um one study on domesticviolence, uh, that they did is
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that people are less aggressiveafter they have a mushroom trip
just like chill.
Yeah, they're more chill,they're more joy.
There's more passion,compassion, like all that stuff.
So less domestic violence,which is a good thing, it's
non-addictive and it also helpswith um Did you say alcoholism.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You showed me an article.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Alcohol, opioids smoking.
It helps break those addictivebonds.
It helps people with OCD.
But, like myself, I haven't hada drink in two and a half
months now.
I would normally have a coupledrinks every weekend.
I just don't care to drinkanymore.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, and it's funny because you don't that therefore
I don't, because it's like ifyou would make a drink on a yeah
, brian makes a really goodmargarita, if you don't know or
a good caesar, that's like thetwo things I like, and normally
on a weekend, we'd you know he'dmake that, and I'm like, yeah,
make me one.
We watch a movie and yeah, youjust haven't done it, so we just
don't do it I'm drinkingkombucha right now.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're drinking some arbon tea yeah, yeah, uh, it
helps, uh, cluster headaches, uh, it's helped people with,
actually with terminal illnesses, so people at end of life that
are like, fearing that they'regonna die they'll.
They'll bring people into um,these, these trips and because
the things that they see it's,it's almost like a near-death
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experience in the trip and iteases their anxiety about dying
because they're like, oh, like,if this is what it's going to be
like, I don't have to reallyworry about like what's coming
right, um, just generalwell-being, more loving,
passionate um.
Another really neat thing isneuroplasticity.
So this is like your, your mind, making new neural connections,
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being able to think better, andthen, with the, you know, the
breaking addictions and stuff,it can change pathways in your
brain that you don't want and ithelps make new ones, but it
doesn't just help make themduring the trip.
It's like a prolonged thingwhere, after the trip, your
mind's able, like weeks andmonths after, your mind's still
(09:24):
able, to make new neuralconnections and this is the
thing that stops um, genuineafter 25 you're great, it's like
your brain, it's like you havelike your, it's like you know
you can't teach an old dog newtricks.
Yeah, well, you go on a mushroomtrip and we can teach you new
tricks, kind of thinginteresting your mind will start
thinking different um, youcan't uh, you can't overdose on
(09:46):
mushrooms.
You could probably have areally crazy trip if you took
too many.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But you know jordan peterson, if you guys know him,
he's done multiple seven gramtrips wow, seven grams yeah, so
well, it's funny because sincewe shared our first little
episode which we didn't knowwould actually be a podcast to
some close friends for somefeedback and then just kind of
slowly sent it out to a few morepeople it's crazy how many
people actually do this and it'slike not known yeah, some some
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of the brightest people in theworld do mushrooms and they have
do mushrooms have done.
The difference is doingmushrooms in a therapeutic sense
, for intention yeah not likehow a lot of people because
again some of our friends werelike what you're doing,
mushrooms, yeah, and had thatsame like negative connotation
where they think, well, it's notjust what you do at a party
(10:34):
instead of drinking, like youjust get high on shrooms and you
trip out and it's like in aparty setting, yeah, so there's
such a, there's such a stigma toit, like it's grouped in like
drugs, when really it's plantmedicine and can be so
therapeutic if it's used rightyeah, you have to set up and I
wouldn't talk about that, butyou have to set it up properly
to have a good trip, and whenpeople have bad trips it's
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because the wrong frame of mind.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's so many things and yeah okay, well,
that's cool too do you?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
want to talk about that first, or talk about risks
I'll talk about the risks, uh, alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So we talked about kind of the benefits, uh, some
of the risks.
Um, if you're picking wildmushrooms, there's mushrooms
that look almost identical thisis freaky, listen yeah and they
almost look completely identical.
Sometimes they will grow side byside and touch each other one
is a psilocybin mushroom, theother is a deadly poison
mushroom.
So I actually found what Ithought was psilocybin mushrooms
(11:29):
um here in souk and I I tooksome pictures of it and I was
like all excited, came home, didsome more studying I'm like, oh
, that's called a funeral bell.
It's one of the most deadlyfuneral bell yeah, uh marginita
so basically don't pick your ownmushrooms yeah, don't pick your
own mushrooms unless you'rereally yes, you really really
because you did this trip.
It was from, like a microdosingcompany yeah, it was a company I
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bought them from and if, whenyou know, if you buy them from a
reputable place like that,they're going to be growing them
in a facility, they know whatthey have.
They're not some randommushrooms found in the forest,
um, so you, there is apossibility of having a bad trip
, but but you can reduce thatwith you know how to.
I'm going to talk about how tosafely have a trip.
Emotionally painful things cancome up like really painful.
(12:15):
Dark stuff can come up.
Yeah, they can be really scarymushroom trips, but I think I
think this is why I'm scared todo it.
But that can also be alleviatedwith what I'm going to talk
about soon.
Yeah, like is there all therisk.
And then people are like, oh,there's all these risks.
I'm like, yeah, but you canreduce that by 90% by doing the
(12:36):
proper things.
Right, okay, don't take it.
If you're bipolar, you're youknow, know, experience psychosis
, if you have like schizophreniaor like schizophrenic people in
your family, like there's a lotof things around that where you
shouldn't be taking mushroomsbecause it can trigger something
in your brain, because theneural connections if you know
we're taking mushrooms makesbasically your whole brain talk
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to each other like all thedifferent parts will talk to
each other when normally it'scompartmentalized.
Right, that makes sense.
So this side only talks in thiscorner, in this quadrant, and
it's all separate.
When you take mushrooms,everything's connected.
It's really really neat.
Kids shouldn't be takingmushrooms, so kids what age?
Anyone under 25 shouldn't betaking mushrooms because their
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natural neuroplasticity in theirbrain is still working,
functioning and this can messwith that right.
So this is like 25 and olderright, so so yeah, that's pretty
much it for the risks.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm sure there's more okay, and so let's talk about
how to safely do them thismushroom trip um, yeah, well,
hey, you know what?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
let me talk about this one first.
Okay, this kind of goes intorisks a little bit too.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
A lot of people are scared to do mushrooms because
they think that they're going tolose their minds well, or
they're going to, they're justout of control, like that, I
think, to any of my friends thatI've talked to and how, why I
feel scared of it still, yeah,I'm so intrigued by it and I
want to do it, but I'm also thefear is overweighing it still,
because I'm worried about nothaving control and like once I
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take that, I'm like in for it,like I gotta go through it
you're always in control.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Um, in a sense, like you're to like, I had to take a
leak in the middle of this wholething.
Yeah, right, near the peak, Ihad to take a leak and I was
like Luckily the toilet is likethree steps from the bed, so I
took my mask off, went in thebathroom.
Shit was weird.
But Was the room moving?
Yeah, it was weird, but I couldstill.
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I could tell you know my feetwere on the ground, I could feel
everything normal.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Was it anything like if you're like drunk at the bar
going to the bathroom?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Um, if you can remember those days, I feel like
it's not as bad, but is it likethat A little bit.
Okay, a little bit, but yeah,it's, it's.
It's different, but similar atthe same time.
Similar at the same time.
Okay, yeah, you can still feeleverything.
You're well aware like.
I remember parts where I wasjust like bawling my eyes out
and in the dark, I could reachfor a kleenex and take the
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kleenex and wipe my eyes.
So it's not, you're not, like,you're not in your body anymore.
You can, it's like you can snapinto it and snap out of it on
command.
Okay, yeah, so you're still incontrol in that sense, and, yes,
you're not.
You're not going to losecontrol.
Uh, you're not going to loseyour mind.
Um, you're not frying braincells or anything what you do
(15:35):
with drugs, yeah, like a lot ofthe crazy drugs, like math and
stuff.
Like you're frying brain, likeyou, you're killing yourself
slowly.
This has nothing to do withthat.
You're here.
You're not frying your braincells, you're creating more.
You're building neurons, you'rebuilding connections, like it's
.
It's a, it's a positive thing itshould be like the opposite of
a drug, how people classify itas that yeah, that's why we call
it plant medicine yeah, um, alot of people don't want to do a
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trip because they think they'rethey'll encounter something
like if they have some some inthem, some trauma, something
they don't want to stir up again.
They might encounter that rightin the trip and that might make
them not want to do a tripbecause they know it's going to
be a wild ride.
But when you get to a certainpoint in your growth as a human
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and your evolution of yourself,you got to be like, hey, this
thing is holding me back in lifeto a certain extent.
I need to explore this more andget past it, to get to like the
next level makes sense.
All right, you want to talkabout how to safely do mushroom
trail?
yeah, tell us about that yeah,so again, I'm not an expert in
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this.
This is, this is stuff I foundthrough lots of research.
Um, the main term is called setand setting.
So set refers to your mindsetand this is like your intention
of doing this.
Going in like, are you doingthis because you know your?
You know person broke up withyou and you just feel like crap
and you just want to escape,like you know, if you go into
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running away from something.
Yeah, if you're running awayfrom something.
Um, if you're just in like theworst place in that day, like
you don't want to do it, right,yeah, you have to have a good
intention.
What do I want to explore today?
You've got to understand.
It's like walking into therapy.
You're walking into therapy,but these mushrooms are like an
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energetic.
Look at them, like an energeticbean, and whatever energy you
give them being, being or bean,I'm just kidding, I just want to
turn it over.
Okay, I'm thinking of being abeing a being, energetic, being
like an energetic being okay,and whatever you, you know,
project onto them, they're gonnagive you and it's almost like
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you're whatever you want to getout of it.
Your subconscious is going tobe working on that thing.
Um, before you go, you know,while you're in the mushroom
trip, right, and you can talk tothe mushrooms and stuff, like
you can kind of guide your owntrip in a sense to during it,
because you know something mightcome up.
You want to explore that more,kind of like what I did, right,
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and then so, on top of mindset,and you know you're set, which
is your mindset, there's thesetting and this is being in a
safe place.
Like imagine, um, you knowyou're going to go on a mushroom
trip, you know you're going togo on a journey.
If you have danger around you,possibility of something going
wrong, that's going to lead to abad trip too right so you want
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to be.
You know you're going to be theonly person in the in the room
or the only person there doingdoing the mushrooms, and
everyone that's in, say thishouse or wherever you are.
They need to be aware thatyou're doing mushrooms, not to
interrupt you.
Like it has to be, has to be asafe place.
You know you're surrounded by.
You know nice comfy pillows,you're on a bed.
You can lay down.
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You got water.
Um some snacks if you gethungry.
I tend to always get hungry, soI have snacks um kleenex
blankets, like you want to makeit comfy.
Yeah, it's got to be a verysafe space.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Do not be vulnerable at all doing and someone you
said has to be in the house thatknows you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's called your trip sitter yeah, some people
like to do it alone.
I'm like I like to do it alone,I like knowing that you're like
there somewhere if I need you,yeah, um, but then you know,
this is why some people want tohave a counselor with them, yeah
, or a guide, because sometimesthings are going to come up in
this and you're going to want totalk about them, oh, during the
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trip, yeah, or you might needsome help with something that's
happening right there.
Some people, some people wantthat right did you felt like you
wanted that during yours no Ijust wanted you know a drink
that one time yeah, he messagedme.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I was at the post office.
He's like, do you have anyhydration?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
yeah, get some electrolytes some electrolytes,
so next time I'm going to bringthat into into the room with me.
Um, you're gonna want music.
Music is like your driver forthe whole journey.
You're gonna realize that thiswhole experience is fueled by
the sounds and the frequenciesand stuff you're listening to
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and what so I've been doinginsane amounts of um, grooming
on my, on my mushroom playlistand I go into a lot of other
people's mushroom playlists toto find some of my music and
some of the songs and music I'vefound.
Just, it's scary like no wonderpeople are having bad trips.
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Some of the music people arelistening to is eerie.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's just got way like way too fast at tempo it's
like, and for anybody thatdoesn't know, brian was a dj.
Yeah, he really has alwayscared about music and good music
yeah, music, it's, it's alwaysbeen my thing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So music is very, very, very important and there's
uh, there's certain types ofmusic.
Like you, you want to startwith a certain kind of music
going into it.
You, it's always been my thing,yeah.
So music is very, very, veryimportant and there's uh,
there's certain types of music.
Like you, you want to startwith a certain kind of music
going into it.
You know your trip's gonna peak, which is called, uh, like the
arc, like there's a whole youknow journey on on your trip.
It starts off slow and then itgets more intense and then it
peaks at some point and itstarts coming down to the movie.
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It's, it's like a movie.
There's a climax to it.
So you want to have a playlistthat's kind of curated to lead
you in, take you up.
You know, at the peak of it,you want you know a lot of, you
know bass and you know snaresand just like more of a
something with more of a beatRight, a little more intense,
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and then something that's goingto lead you out of it and then
something at the end whereyou're coming down and it's a
little more light and likeethereal and kind of naturey.
So you got to be intentionalwith your music.
Um, you want to have to do thisproperly.
You want to have an eye mask.
You want to have everythingthat you're experiencing be
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internal.
You don't want external thingsinfluencing you.
You know people go on trips andthey're walking around and
they're seeing weird stuff andthat's cool.
That's an experience in itself.
But if you're doing it for theright intention of a good
outcome in this, you want tohave everything internal, which
is why you also want to havenoise-canceling headphones that
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go over your ears Not earbuds,not earbuds noise-canceling
over-ear headphones.
With your eye mask.
It's everything's inside, okaythat makes sense it leaves less
interruptions, and you don'twant to have a YouTube playlist
or a Spotify playlist where youjust have the basic account and
commercials are going to come up.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh my gosh, that would wreck everything, yeah and
even I didn't know what to do,because when I got home from the
post office and I made yourhydration drink, I like slowly
opened the door, came in.
I was like I'm just gonna setthis right beside him and not
like he's sitting there with hiseye mask.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
And then all of a sudden he you must have noticed
there was light coming throughyeah, there's a little bit of
light coming in, and you justwere like you scared me and I
was like I didn't know what todo because I was.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
so, if you guys don't know this like when brian
started telling me he wanted todo a big trip by himself and not
like in costa rica at a retreat, I was like, uh, no, like I'm
not gonna know what to do if youneed me, like, what kind of
sitter am I?
I don't even know what I'm infor, but I'm, I'm not, I'm not
worried about it now.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, and that like talking about doing like
retreats with a bunch of people,some people like that.
There's, like you know, safetyin numbers, there's people that
guide you, um, but that's alsoother people's energy in a room
that might make you have adifferent experience yeah,
that's why I like.
I like being by myself.
I'm, you know, I know I don'thave other people's energy
around me, I don't have to worryabout you know what's going on
(23:53):
going on with them.
Um, and another thing to thinkabout, or another aspect, I
guess, of having a safe mushroomtrip, is know what to expect.
A lot of people go into thisand they'll have a bad trip
because they don't know what'scoming.
Because what happens at thestart of a trip?
There's a big phase ramping upto the climax of anxiety, and
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people experience this anxiety,not knowing how to control it,
not knowing how to breathe.
Did you experience that?
Oh, yeah, I knew it was coming,though, and so this stuff was
happening to me and I was justbreathing and I was like, hey, I
just got to focus on my breath.
I know this is part of thejourney.
I'm okay with it, like it was,it's, it's tough, and some
people have a really really,really tough anxiety part of
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their trip.
And yeah, I know, for for me,it was like I knew this was all
happening.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know, preparedness opportunity yeah
right and you always start, or Iguess the first two times you
tried to do the trip you didn'ttake enough because you took the
capsule so it took longer tolike kind of hit you, yeah,
whereas this time you just dumpthe powder from the capsule
right into your shake and hityou in 15 minutes, but like
normally you take that what usedto be an hour prior to kind of
(25:14):
going into the trip to meditateyeah, is that something you
suggest?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
yeah, definitely meditate, um at the start of
your trip.
So when, yeah, when you'regoing to start something or
start a trip, you know, have abook there, you know, have some
kind of meditation going, writedown your intentions.
This is part of the the setright, the mindset that you want
to get in um, what do you wantto get out of the trip.
So, yeah, just be be preparedfor that, okay, and then so so
(25:39):
basically do your research on,like, there's a lot of resources
.
Uh, andrew hubberman, he's gota lot of good stuff on it.
Who's my other guy?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
James Zander, james Zander.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, he's got a lot of good stuff.
Mushroom Checklist he talksabout what to expect.
He's got just amazing, amazingresources there.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, so then, do you want to talk about the
integration after?
Or what do you do after?
Yeah, other than eat a grilledcheese, because that's what you
want me to about, like theintegration after.
Or what do you do after?
Yeah, like other than eat agrilled cheese, cause that's
what you want me to make youevery time you're done.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So integration is probably the biggest part of
this whole thing.
So when you go through thiswhole experience, you're going
to see stuff that's like somepeople say that a mushroom chip
is the most profound deepexperience they've ever had in
their entire life ever wow andwhen you come out of it, you
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want to implement whateveryou've seen.
Like you know, there's going tobe good things that come out of
there, good insights that you'regoing to have.
You want to implement thesethings in your life.
So it's like you know people, alot of people, go to personal
growth conferences yeah, andthey're they could go to 50
personal growth conferences.
Read all these books andthey're in the exact same place
(26:56):
yeah, because you come home andyou forget about it.
They've implemented nothing.
Yeah, so it's doing the workafter.
So when you're done, make sureyou have your journal there.
You know you still got yourheadphones on you're, you're
chilling, you're in your spaceand you want to write about
everything you've seen.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Go over everything as detailed as you can and then,
weeks going forward, you'll workthrough that and something I
like to do when I do any kind oflike I haven't done mushroom
trip, obviously, but when I doany kind of energy healing type
session, I always want to recordit or record myself telling
someone about it.
So that's kind of what broughtus to the conversation we had on
(27:34):
our apparently first podcastyeah is, you were telling me
about it.
Nice was like wait, let's getthis on like record, this,
because you'll forget it if youdon't say it right yeah, so even
if it's just for yourself tolike go back and listen to it.
I think that's worth it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
So you're not forgetting what happened on that
trip yeah, that can be part ofit too talking to someone you
you trust about everything thatwent down, um, and that's, you
know, a reason why a lot ofpeople like doing this with with
a guide or counselor, becausethey can talk through the stuff
after I feel like that was partof part of it for you, because
when you came out of there, likeyou were trying to talk to me
and you couldn't even I can you?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
couldn't even talk.
You were crying so hard like Ihave never seen you like that in
24 almost years yeah like.
That was insane, and I don'tthink you would have gotten even
like another level out of thisif you hadn't tried to like.
Then tell it to me, yeah, likeyou got more out of it because
you didn't just sit like.
Then tell it to me, yeah, likeyou got more out of it because
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you didn't just sit on ityourself in a way.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I think it has to, has to flow out of you yeah, so
that was.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think that's what really made me think holy, like
this is no joke.
And then also jealous because,like I want that experience, I'm
too scared to do it still.
Maybe one day we'll record myepisode.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, you can't be scared to do something like this
.
I think it.
You know from everything I'veread from other people's
experience.
It's just absolutelylife-changing.
It's funny.
I found myself listening tosome YouTube interviews for
people from afterlifeexperiences last week.
(29:12):
I just found them.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, you were telling me about this and these
people's afterlife orexperiences where they, you know
, died for near death experience10 minutes or something like
that, very similar to whatpeople experience in a mushroom
trip well, that's the firstthing I said to you when you
told me how, once that like sortof veil went away or whatever
you were explaining, and youjust felt this just like pure
(29:33):
love, I was like that is whateverybody who has a near-death
experience explains.
It as yeah.
And then we were talking likeis that because, like, your ego
becomes unattached when you'realmost dying or when you're
doing mushroom trip?
it's like uh which is why youcan't get as deep in like
therapy, because your ego'sstill intact.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah well, it's like you get.
It's like you're returning tosource, like where, where your
soul came from.
It's a connection that youcan't.
It's ineffable, you can'texplain it it's a feeling that
you just have to experience itfor yourself.
Um, so yeah, I hope you guystook something away from this.
I hope you think differentlyabout mushrooms, because they
(30:12):
are a plant medicine.
It's something that the earthgave us that, when used properly
, I think can help all ofcivilization.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, and yet it's demonized by I don't know who,
the world seems.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, it's demonized by the world.
But the government, yeah, thegovernment.
Imagine if everyone was freethinking.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And imagine if we didn't need old pharmaceuticals.
How would pharmaceuticalcompanies?
We won't go down that path, butyou get an idea where we're
going.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
It is funny that they're trying to make synthetic
psilocin, which is the activepart of psilocybin when it goes
through your system.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They're trying to make this um as a drug, so they
can sell it so they can sell ityeah and the trials that they've
been having.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Uh it's like a fraction of percentage of uh
effectiveness compared to theactual mushrooms yeah like you
can't replicate like nature's.
You know perfect gift that it'sgiven us in a, in a lab.
Yeah, it's gotta be from source, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, so my last question is how often should a
person do a trip like that?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Some people will only do this once in their life and
that's all they need, and youjust know you're done.
That's how you know it's notaddictive, because they only
take it once, and once you comeout of one, you're like screw
that, I'm not taking this stufffor a long time.
How did you feel?
Oh, when I came out, I'm likeI'm not doing this for months.
Is that how you felt?
Yeah, I'm like I'm not doingthis again for months.
I was just like so, there'sjust so much.
(31:46):
It was just a crazy experienceride it was a big ride.
It was mentally exhausting andyou're like I don't want to do
this again for a while so how doyou feel now, two weeks later
still?
No, I uh want to do it againnext month some people.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Can you do that, like , how close can you do them or
should you do them?
Is there a?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't know.
Some people will do like wemicrodose right, I did microdose
four times a week, um, but bigtrips like this, some people do
them every month, it's just partof the routine.
They'll do them every threemonths, it's just, and then
sometimes people will only dothem when they feel feel like it
.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Cool.
So it's not right or wrong,whatever you do.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
No, okay, it's however you feel like it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Just on, get on this train well, I hope that this
episode um enlightened you allas much as it did me and gets me
a little closer to doing my ownjourney yeah, we'll put some
some links in the show notesbrian's gonna be the one making
the show notes, including maybehis mushroom playlist, which I
feel like you should calltripping with brian.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Tripping with brian I'm gonna change the name,
tripping with beach.
Sure, anybody that knows,including maybe his mushroom
playlist which I feel like youshould call Trippin' with Brian
Trippin' with.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Brian, I'm going to change the name Trippin' with
Beej.
Sure, anybody that knows usfrom high school will know what
that one's about.
Okay, well, good job, babe,just talking about everything
you wanted to talk about.
Yeah, I think that's great.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
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Okay, so we're going to talkmore about mushrooms.
I'm excited.
We're going to talk more aboutmushrooms.
I'm excited.
We're going to talk aboutbenefits, potential risks.
I think you know why are peopleafraid to do this, what's the
(00:32):
stigma around it, all of that,how to safely do a mushroom drip
, what happens after and likethe integration process, and a
little bit more about yourjourney two weeks ago now.
So let's just do a disclaimer.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, I think we need to do a disclaimer because
we're not experts.
These are opinions.
This is just coming from theresearch I've done, and I do a
lot of research when I when Idive into something and yeah, we
don't sell mushrooms.
Mushrooms, arerooms areapparently illegal.
Why they're illegal, that's awhole other podcast, that's
(01:11):
another episode, something thatwe'll probably never do.
But yeah, this is actually,this is plant medicine and we
want to get into, yeah, how toexplore it a little bit more
okay.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So first, you know, it's been two weeks, pretty much
exactly, since your first realexperience with your journey
mushroom journey.
Um, I want to ask you what haveyou noticed?
How are you feeling?
What's different?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
it's really interesting.
Um, I feel like I'm likewalking in a new, like a new
confidence, like a new light,like I'm just like my eyes have
been opened and I just seethings different.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, it's like you can't unsee what you saw during
that, no, you can't I feel likeyou've talked to me about it
every day since it happened.
Yeah, it's like something soprofound you can't come out the
other side without beingdifferent in like in, like a
good way okay, first of all, Idon't know how many days after
the trip this was, it was well.
After we recorded the firstepisode about it, you were like,
(02:16):
oh yeah, there was this reallycool thing that happened and I
was floored.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What you told me so I feel like you have to tell
everybody because it's it's sodeep it's probably one of the
more profound things thathappened on the trip.
So I was kind of like it's likeI was sitting there and I was
like spinning and there waspieces of like these pixelated
chunks like flying out of myhead and just like going off
into space.
And while this was happening itwas, it was like the parts of
(02:46):
me that I wanted to get rid of,that I wanted to change that.
I you know pieces I didn't likeabout myself and while this was
happening, I was, I just was.
I remember like tearing up withlike joy and just being like so
relieved that this washappening.
I was just watching it and Iwas just like it's, just like a
(03:09):
weight was being lifted off myshoulders.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's so unreal so the crazy thing is that I'm
talking to my cousin a couple ofdays later and we were talking
about Reiki and energy healingand all this stuff, and she
starts explaining this conceptto me, which sounds very similar
to what you explained just now,and she said it's called soul
surgery.
And I had to stop her and I waslike, wait a second, this is
(03:32):
what happened to brian on thetrip.
Like that sounds exactly likewhat you're talking about.
So I don't know if that'saccurate information or not, but
I feel like you gave yourselfsoul surgery because it
definitely, definitely felt likesoul surgery.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I can't wait to get into that more.
Oh my God, okay, well let'stalk about it.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So what are some of the benefits?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Okay, well, I have more stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, you talk about what you want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So, continuing, the last couple of weeks I've
noticed like an elevated mood.
I've been less disturbed bythings that normally set me off
there.
I've been less disturbed bythings that normally set me off.
There's less fucks given.
That's good.
Yeah, I feel more connected toeverything I've.
You know I had glimpses of whatit's like to like deeply feel
(04:16):
in love at, like this out ofworld level, and there's a sense
of something bigger, which ispretty, which is pretty neat,
more joy.
I definitely feel more present,definitely like playing with
marty this last week definitelyfeel more present our
three-year-old son for anybody,yeah, our three-year-old son
marty.
Um, I listen to a lot of uh,like hip-hop and like reggae and
(04:40):
I still love reggae, but Ireally noticed this last couple
weeks that I didn't really wantto listen to that anymore.
I wanted to listen to more likemeditative style music.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I just felt like this , like chill vibe, or it was
just like just like a, like apeaceful presence and so I just
want, like I'm in the car andI'm listening to, like
meditation kind of music I knowwe listened to it on the way
into town with marty and I kindof liked it yeah it actually
made him feel really calm yeah,it was just.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was just really nice.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I just that was like a really weird thing, it was
your mushroom trip playlist thatyou have right that's some of
the stuff I listen to, becausesince I found out you've had
that and you put in so much work.
I've been listening to it in myoffice when I need to like
focus and it actually, I swearto god, helps me focus yeah,
I'll talk about how importantmusic is later okay cool.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Another thing I thought was really neat is well,
I'm more open to things now Iquestion things more.
I I found myself even during thetrip that I was I would
experience something really neatabout myself, or a situation or
something happened to pass andI would.
I was finding myself in themiddle of the trip just being
like huh, like wow, just likedoing this, like weird, like wow
(05:52):
face like just surprised.
I'm just like questioning, likethat's neat, that's neat,
that's cool, instead of likesomething setting you off and
being scared of whatever came up.
Just be like, oh, wow, it'slike let's go down that path.
It's just like a more, likelike an awareness, just noticing
my thoughts more and justquestioning what's happening
(06:13):
rather than being like reactiveto it interesting yeah, that's
exactly what I'm sayingI'm like interesting, that's
interesting.
So I just that's how I kind oflook at things now, just like,
huh interesting, you know whatis that all about?
Instead of you know having areaction.
It's like, I guess, coming froma neutral place yeah, it's more
of a neutral place, like, yeah,it was really neat.
So those are the things Inoticed the last couple weeks.
(06:35):
There's probably more, butthat's uh.
That's the main things okay,cool.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, do you want to go back then to benefits?
Where do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
yeah, so this is a list of benefits that um I found
just through my research.
Um, there's probably more, butuh, really really helps people
with depression, anxiety, and itlasts longer than, from the
studies that I've read, thanyour typical antidepressant
(07:04):
medicine, ssris that they calllike it's.
It's a longer, more, um I don'tknow deeply integrated fix, I
guess, than taking thesepharmaceutical drugs, uh, ptsd.
It really, really helps withptsd.
Um one study on domesticviolence, uh, that they did is
(07:27):
that people are less aggressiveafter they have a mushroom trip
just like chill.
Yeah, they're more chill,they're more joy.
There's more passion,compassion, like all that stuff.
So less domestic violence,which is a good thing, it's
non-addictive and it also helpswith um Did you say alcoholism.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You showed me an article.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Alcohol, opioids smoking.
It helps break those addictivebonds.
It helps people with OCD.
But, like myself, I haven't hada drink in two and a half
months now.
I would normally have a coupledrinks every weekend.
I just don't care to drinkanymore.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, and it's funny because you don't that therefore
I don't, because it's like ifyou would make a drink on a yeah
, brian makes a really goodmargarita, if you don't know or
a good caesar, that's like thetwo things I like, and normally
on a weekend, we'd you know he'dmake that, and I'm like, yeah,
make me one.
We watch a movie and yeah, youjust haven't done it, so we just
don't do it I'm drinkingkombucha right now.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're drinking some arbon tea yeah, yeah, uh, it
helps, uh, cluster headaches, uh, it's helped people with,
actually with terminal illnesses, so people at end of life that
are like, fearing that they'regonna die they'll.
They'll bring people into um,these, these trips and because
the things that they see it's,it's almost like a near-death
(08:41):
experience in the trip and iteases their anxiety about dying
because they're like, oh, like,if this is what it's going to be
like, I don't have to reallyworry about like what's coming
right, um, just generalwell-being, more loving,
passionate um.
Another really neat thing isneuroplasticity.
So this is like your, your mind, making new neural connections,
(09:03):
being able to think better, andthen, with the, you know, the
breaking addictions and stuff,it can change pathways in your
brain that you don't want and ithelps make new ones, but it
doesn't just help make themduring the trip.
It's like a prolonged thingwhere, after the trip, your
mind's able, like weeks andmonths after, your mind's still
(09:24):
able, to make new neuralconnections and this is the
thing that stops um, genuineafter 25 you're great, it's like
your brain, it's like you havelike your, it's like you know
you can't teach an old dog newtricks.
Yeah, well, you go on a mushroomtrip and we can teach you new
tricks, kind of thinginteresting your mind will start
thinking different um, youcan't uh, you can't overdose on
(09:46):
mushrooms.
You could probably have areally crazy trip if you took
too many.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But you know jordan peterson, if you guys know him,
he's done multiple seven gramtrips wow, seven grams yeah, so
well, it's funny because sincewe shared our first little
episode which we didn't knowwould actually be a podcast to
some close friends for somefeedback and then just kind of
slowly sent it out to a few morepeople it's crazy how many
people actually do this and it'slike not known yeah, some some
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of the brightest people in theworld do mushrooms and they have
do mushrooms have done.
The difference is doingmushrooms in a therapeutic sense
, for intention yeah not likehow a lot of people because
again some of our friends werelike what you're doing,
mushrooms, yeah, and had thatsame like negative connotation
where they think, well, it's notjust what you do at a party
(10:34):
instead of drinking, like youjust get high on shrooms and you
trip out and it's like in aparty setting, yeah, so there's
such a, there's such a stigma toit, like it's grouped in like
drugs, when really it's plantmedicine and can be so
therapeutic if it's used rightyeah, you have to set up and I
wouldn't talk about that, butyou have to set it up properly
to have a good trip, and whenpeople have bad trips it's
(10:57):
because the wrong frame of mind.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
There's so many things and yeah okay, well,
that's cool too do you?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
want to talk about that first, or talk about risks
I'll talk about the risks, uh, alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So we talked about kind of the benefits, uh, some
of the risks.
Um, if you're picking wildmushrooms, there's mushrooms
that look almost identical thisis freaky, listen yeah and they
almost look completely identical.
Sometimes they will grow side byside and touch each other one
is a psilocybin mushroom, theother is a deadly poison
mushroom.
So I actually found what Ithought was psilocybin mushrooms
(11:29):
um here in souk and I I tooksome pictures of it and I was
like all excited, came home, didsome more studying I'm like, oh
, that's called a funeral bell.
It's one of the most deadlyfuneral bell yeah, uh marginita
so basically don't pick your ownmushrooms yeah, don't pick your
own mushrooms unless you'rereally yes, you really really
because you did this trip.
It was from, like a microdosingcompany yeah, it was a company I
(11:51):
bought them from and if, whenyou know, if you buy them from a
reputable place like that,they're going to be growing them
in a facility, they know whatthey have.
They're not some randommushrooms found in the forest,
um, so you, there is apossibility of having a bad trip
, but but you can reduce thatwith you know how to.
I'm going to talk about how tosafely have a trip.
Emotionally painful things cancome up like really painful.
(12:15):
Dark stuff can come up.
Yeah, they can be really scarymushroom trips, but I think I
think this is why I'm scared todo it.
But that can also be alleviatedwith what I'm going to talk
about soon.
Yeah, like is there all therisk.
And then people are like, oh,there's all these risks.
I'm like, yeah, but you canreduce that by 90% by doing the
(12:36):
proper things.
Right, okay, don't take it.
If you're bipolar, you're youknow, know, experience psychosis
, if you have like schizophreniaor like schizophrenic people in
your family, like there's a lotof things around that where you
shouldn't be taking mushroomsbecause it can trigger something
in your brain, because theneural connections if you know
we're taking mushrooms makesbasically your whole brain talk
(12:58):
to each other like all thedifferent parts will talk to
each other when normally it'scompartmentalized.
Right, that makes sense.
So this side only talks in thiscorner, in this quadrant, and
it's all separate.
When you take mushrooms,everything's connected.
It's really really neat.
Kids shouldn't be takingmushrooms, so kids what age?
Anyone under 25 shouldn't betaking mushrooms because their
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natural neuroplasticity in theirbrain is still working,
functioning and this can messwith that right.
So this is like 25 and olderright, so so yeah, that's pretty
much it for the risks.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm sure there's more okay, and so let's talk about
how to safely do them thismushroom trip um, yeah, well,
hey, you know what?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
let me talk about this one first.
Okay, this kind of goes intorisks a little bit too.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
A lot of people are scared to do mushrooms because
they think that they're going tolose their minds well, or
they're going to, they're justout of control, like that, I
think, to any of my friends thatI've talked to and how, why I
feel scared of it still, yeah,I'm so intrigued by it and I
want to do it, but I'm also thefear is overweighing it still,
because I'm worried about nothaving control and like once I
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take that, I'm like in for it,like I gotta go through it
you're always in control.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Um, in a sense, like you're to like, I had to take a
leak in the middle of this wholething.
Yeah, right, near the peak, Ihad to take a leak and I was
like Luckily the toilet is likethree steps from the bed, so I
took my mask off, went in thebathroom.
Shit was weird.
But Was the room moving?
Yeah, it was weird, but I couldstill.
(14:41):
I could tell you know my feetwere on the ground, I could feel
everything normal.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Was it anything like if you're like drunk at the bar
going to the bathroom?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Um, if you can remember those days, I feel like
it's not as bad, but is it likethat A little bit.
Okay, a little bit, but yeah,it's, it's.
It's different, but similar atthe same time.
Similar at the same time.
Okay, yeah, you can still feeleverything.
You're well aware like.
I remember parts where I wasjust like bawling my eyes out
and in the dark, I could reachfor a kleenex and take the
(15:11):
kleenex and wipe my eyes.
So it's not, you're not, like,you're not in your body anymore.
You can, it's like you can snapinto it and snap out of it on
command.
Okay, yeah, so you're still incontrol in that sense, and, yes,
you're not.
You're not going to losecontrol.
Uh, you're not going to loseyour mind.
Um, you're not frying braincells or anything what you do
(15:35):
with drugs, yeah, like a lot ofthe crazy drugs, like math and
stuff.
Like you're frying brain, likeyou, you're killing yourself
slowly.
This has nothing to do withthat.
You're here.
You're not frying your braincells, you're creating more.
You're building neurons, you'rebuilding connections, like it's
.
It's a, it's a positive thing itshould be like the opposite of
a drug, how people classify itas that yeah, that's why we call
it plant medicine yeah, um, alot of people don't want to do a
(15:59):
trip because they think they'rethey'll encounter something
like if they have some some inthem, some trauma, something
they don't want to stir up again.
They might encounter that rightin the trip and that might make
them not want to do a tripbecause they know it's going to
be a wild ride.
But when you get to a certainpoint in your growth as a human
(16:23):
and your evolution of yourself,you got to be like, hey, this
thing is holding me back in lifeto a certain extent.
I need to explore this more andget past it, to get to like the
next level makes sense.
All right, you want to talkabout how to safely do mushroom
trail?
yeah, tell us about that yeah,so again, I'm not an expert in
(16:47):
this.
This is, this is stuff I foundthrough lots of research.
Um, the main term is called setand setting.
So set refers to your mindsetand this is like your intention
of doing this.
Going in like, are you doingthis because you know your?
You know person broke up withyou and you just feel like crap
and you just want to escape,like you know, if you go into
(17:10):
running away from something.
Yeah, if you're running awayfrom something.
Um, if you're just in like theworst place in that day, like
you don't want to do it, right,yeah, you have to have a good
intention.
What do I want to explore today?
You've got to understand.
It's like walking into therapy.
You're walking into therapy,but these mushrooms are like an
(17:31):
energetic.
Look at them, like an energeticbean, and whatever energy you
give them being, being or bean,I'm just kidding, I just want to
turn it over.
Okay, I'm thinking of being abeing a being, energetic, being
like an energetic being okay,and whatever you, you know,
project onto them, they're gonnagive you and it's almost like
(17:55):
you're whatever you want to getout of it.
Your subconscious is going tobe working on that thing.
Um, before you go, you know,while you're in the mushroom
trip, right, and you can talk tothe mushrooms and stuff, like
you can kind of guide your owntrip in a sense to during it,
because you know something mightcome up.
You want to explore that more,kind of like what I did, right,
(18:17):
and then so, on top of mindset,and you know you're set, which
is your mindset, there's thesetting and this is being in a
safe place.
Like imagine, um, you knowyou're going to go on a mushroom
trip, you know you're going togo on a journey.
If you have danger around you,possibility of something going
wrong, that's going to lead to abad trip too right so you want
(18:41):
to be.
You know you're going to be theonly person in the in the room
or the only person there doingdoing the mushrooms, and
everyone that's in, say thishouse or wherever you are.
They need to be aware thatyou're doing mushrooms, not to
interrupt you.
Like it has to be, has to be asafe place.
You know you're surrounded by.
You know nice comfy pillows,you're on a bed.
You can lay down.
(19:01):
You got water.
Um some snacks if you gethungry.
I tend to always get hungry, soI have snacks um kleenex
blankets, like you want to makeit comfy.
Yeah, it's got to be a verysafe space.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Do not be vulnerable at all doing and someone you
said has to be in the house thatknows you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's called your trip sitter yeah, some people
like to do it alone.
I'm like I like to do it alone,I like knowing that you're like
there somewhere if I need you,yeah, um, but then you know,
this is why some people want tohave a counselor with them, yeah
, or a guide, because sometimesthings are going to come up in
this and you're going to want totalk about them, oh, during the
(19:40):
trip, yeah, or you might needsome help with something that's
happening right there.
Some people, some people wantthat right did you felt like you
wanted that during yours no Ijust wanted you know a drink
that one time yeah, he messagedme.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I was at the post office.
He's like, do you have anyhydration?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
yeah, get some electrolytes some electrolytes,
so next time I'm going to bringthat into into the room with me.
Um, you're gonna want music.
Music is like your driver forthe whole journey.
You're gonna realize that thiswhole experience is fueled by
the sounds and the frequenciesand stuff you're listening to
(20:22):
and what so I've been doinginsane amounts of um, grooming
on my, on my mushroom playlistand I go into a lot of other
people's mushroom playlists toto find some of my music and
some of the songs and music I'vefound.
Just, it's scary like no wonderpeople are having bad trips.
(20:45):
Some of the music people arelistening to is eerie.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's just got way like way too fast at tempo it's
like, and for anybody thatdoesn't know, brian was a dj.
Yeah, he really has alwayscared about music and good music
yeah, music, it's, it's alwaysbeen my thing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So music is very, very, very important and there's
uh, there's certain types ofmusic.
Like you, you want to startwith a certain kind of music
going into it.
You, it's always been my thing,yeah.
So music is very, very, veryimportant and there's uh,
there's certain types of music.
Like you, you want to startwith a certain kind of music
going into it.
You know your trip's gonna peak, which is called, uh, like the
arc, like there's a whole youknow journey on on your trip.
It starts off slow and then itgets more intense and then it
peaks at some point and itstarts coming down to the movie.
(21:21):
It's, it's like a movie.
There's a climax to it.
So you want to have a playlistthat's kind of curated to lead
you in, take you up.
You know, at the peak of it,you want you know a lot of, you
know bass and you know snaresand just like more of a
something with more of a beatRight, a little more intense,
(21:43):
and then something that's goingto lead you out of it and then
something at the end whereyou're coming down and it's a
little more light and likeethereal and kind of naturey.
So you got to be intentionalwith your music.
Um, you want to have to do thisproperly.
You want to have an eye mask.
You want to have everythingthat you're experiencing be
(22:04):
internal.
You don't want external thingsinfluencing you.
You know people go on trips andthey're walking around and
they're seeing weird stuff andthat's cool.
That's an experience in itself.
But if you're doing it for theright intention of a good
outcome in this, you want tohave everything internal, which
is why you also want to havenoise-canceling headphones that
(22:27):
go over your ears Not earbuds,not earbuds noise-canceling
over-ear headphones.
With your eye mask.
It's everything's inside, okaythat makes sense it leaves less
interruptions, and you don'twant to have a YouTube playlist
or a Spotify playlist where youjust have the basic account and
commercials are going to come up.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh my gosh, that would wreck everything, yeah and
even I didn't know what to do,because when I got home from the
post office and I made yourhydration drink, I like slowly
opened the door, came in.
I was like I'm just gonna setthis right beside him and not
like he's sitting there with hiseye mask.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
And then all of a sudden he you must have noticed
there was light coming throughyeah, there's a little bit of
light coming in, and you justwere like you scared me and I
was like I didn't know what todo because I was.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
so, if you guys don't know this like when brian
started telling me he wanted todo a big trip by himself and not
like in costa rica at a retreat, I was like, uh, no, like I'm
not gonna know what to do if youneed me, like, what kind of
sitter am I?
I don't even know what I'm infor, but I'm, I'm not, I'm not
worried about it now.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, and that like talking about doing like
retreats with a bunch of people,some people like that.
There's, like you know, safetyin numbers, there's people that
guide you, um, but that's alsoother people's energy in a room
that might make you have adifferent experience yeah,
that's why I like.
I like being by myself.
I'm, you know, I know I don'thave other people's energy
around me, I don't have to worryabout you know what's going on
(23:53):
going on with them.
Um, and another thing to thinkabout, or another aspect, I
guess, of having a safe mushroomtrip, is know what to expect.
A lot of people go into thisand they'll have a bad trip
because they don't know what'scoming.
Because what happens at thestart of a trip?
There's a big phase ramping upto the climax of anxiety, and
(24:18):
people experience this anxiety,not knowing how to control it,
not knowing how to breathe.
Did you experience that?
Oh, yeah, I knew it was coming,though, and so this stuff was
happening to me and I was justbreathing and I was like, hey, I
just got to focus on my breath.
I know this is part of thejourney.
I'm okay with it, like it was,it's, it's tough, and some
people have a really really,really tough anxiety part of
(24:43):
their trip.
And yeah, I know, for for me,it was like I knew this was all
happening.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know, preparedness opportunity yeah
right and you always start, or Iguess the first two times you
tried to do the trip you didn'ttake enough because you took the
capsule so it took longer tolike kind of hit you, yeah,
whereas this time you just dumpthe powder from the capsule
right into your shake and hityou in 15 minutes, but like
normally you take that what usedto be an hour prior to kind of
(25:14):
going into the trip to meditateyeah, is that something you
suggest?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
yeah, definitely meditate, um at the start of
your trip.
So when, yeah, when you'regoing to start something or
start a trip, you know, have abook there, you know, have some
kind of meditation going, writedown your intentions.
This is part of the the setright, the mindset that you want
to get in um, what do you wantto get out of the trip.
So, yeah, just be be preparedfor that, okay, and then so so
(25:39):
basically do your research on,like, there's a lot of resources
.
Uh, andrew hubberman, he's gota lot of good stuff on it.
Who's my other guy?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
James Zander, james Zander.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, he's got a lot of good stuff.
Mushroom Checklist he talksabout what to expect.
He's got just amazing, amazingresources there.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, so then, do you want to talk about the
integration after?
Or what do you do after?
Yeah, other than eat a grilledcheese, because that's what you
want me to about, like theintegration after.
Or what do you do after?
Yeah, like other than eat agrilled cheese, cause that's
what you want me to make youevery time you're done.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So integration is probably the biggest part of
this whole thing.
So when you go through thiswhole experience, you're going
to see stuff that's like somepeople say that a mushroom chip
is the most profound deepexperience they've ever had in
their entire life ever wow andwhen you come out of it, you
(26:36):
want to implement whateveryou've seen.
Like you know, there's going tobe good things that come out of
there, good insights that you'regoing to have.
You want to implement thesethings in your life.
So it's like you know people, alot of people, go to personal
growth conferences yeah, andthey're they could go to 50
personal growth conferences.
Read all these books andthey're in the exact same place
(26:56):
yeah, because you come home andyou forget about it.
They've implemented nothing.
Yeah, so it's doing the workafter.
So when you're done, make sureyou have your journal there.
You know you still got yourheadphones on you're, you're
chilling, you're in your spaceand you want to write about
everything you've seen.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Go over everything as detailed as you can and then,
weeks going forward, you'll workthrough that and something I
like to do when I do any kind oflike I haven't done mushroom
trip, obviously, but when I doany kind of energy healing type
session, I always want to recordit or record myself telling
someone about it.
So that's kind of what broughtus to the conversation we had on
(27:34):
our apparently first podcastyeah is, you were telling me
about it.
Nice was like wait, let's getthis on like record, this,
because you'll forget it if youdon't say it right yeah, so even
if it's just for yourself tolike go back and listen to it.
I think that's worth it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
So you're not forgetting what happened on that
trip yeah, that can be part ofit too talking to someone you
you trust about everything thatwent down, um, and that's, you
know, a reason why a lot ofpeople like doing this with with
a guide or counselor, becausethey can talk through the stuff
after I feel like that was partof part of it for you, because
when you came out of there, likeyou were trying to talk to me
and you couldn't even I can you?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
couldn't even talk.
You were crying so hard like Ihave never seen you like that in
24 almost years yeah like.
That was insane, and I don'tthink you would have gotten even
like another level out of thisif you hadn't tried to like.
Then tell it to me, yeah, likeyou got more out of it because
you didn't just sit like.
Then tell it to me, yeah, likeyou got more out of it because
(28:31):
you didn't just sit on ityourself in a way.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I think it has to, has to flow out of you yeah, so
that was.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think that's what really made me think holy, like
this is no joke.
And then also jealous because,like I want that experience, I'm
too scared to do it still.
Maybe one day we'll record myepisode.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, you can't be scared to do something like this
.
I think it.
You know from everything I'veread from other people's
experience.
It's just absolutelylife-changing.
It's funny.
I found myself listening tosome YouTube interviews for
people from afterlifeexperiences last week.
(29:12):
I just found them.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, you were telling me about this and these
people's afterlife orexperiences where they, you know
, died for near death experience10 minutes or something like
that, very similar to whatpeople experience in a mushroom
trip well, that's the firstthing I said to you when you
told me how, once that like sortof veil went away or whatever
you were explaining, and youjust felt this just like pure
(29:33):
love, I was like that is whateverybody who has a near-death
experience explains.
It as yeah.
And then we were talking likeis that because, like, your ego
becomes unattached when you'realmost dying or when you're
doing mushroom trip?
it's like uh which is why youcan't get as deep in like
therapy, because your ego'sstill intact.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah well, it's like you get.
It's like you're returning tosource, like where, where your
soul came from.
It's a connection that youcan't.
It's ineffable, you can'texplain it it's a feeling that
you just have to experience itfor yourself.
Um, so yeah, I hope you guystook something away from this.
I hope you think differentlyabout mushrooms, because they
(30:12):
are a plant medicine.
It's something that the earthgave us that, when used properly
, I think can help all ofcivilization.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, and yet it's demonized by I don't know who,
the world seems.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, it's demonized by the world.
But the government, yeah, thegovernment.
Imagine if everyone was freethinking.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And imagine if we didn't need old pharmaceuticals.
How would pharmaceuticalcompanies?
We won't go down that path, butyou get an idea where we're
going.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
It is funny that they're trying to make synthetic
psilocin, which is the activepart of psilocybin when it goes
through your system.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
They're trying to make this um as a drug, so they
can sell it so they can sell ityeah and the trials that they've
been having.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Uh it's like a fraction of percentage of uh
effectiveness compared to theactual mushrooms yeah like you
can't replicate like nature's.
You know perfect gift that it'sgiven us in a, in a lab.
Yeah, it's gotta be from source, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, so my last question is how often should a
person do a trip like that?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Some people will only do this once in their life and
that's all they need, and youjust know you're done.
That's how you know it's notaddictive, because they only
take it once, and once you comeout of one, you're like screw
that, I'm not taking this stufffor a long time.
How did you feel?
Oh, when I came out, I'm likeI'm not doing this for months.
Is that how you felt?
Yeah, I'm like I'm not doingthis again for months.
I was just like so, there'sjust so much.
(31:46):
It was just a crazy experienceride it was a big ride.
It was mentally exhausting andyou're like I don't want to do
this again for a while so how doyou feel now, two weeks later
still?
No, I uh want to do it againnext month some people.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Can you do that, like , how close can you do them or
should you do them?
Is there a?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't know.
Some people will do like wemicrodose right, I did microdose
four times a week, um, but bigtrips like this, some people do
them every month, it's just partof the routine.
They'll do them every threemonths, it's just, and then
sometimes people will only dothem when they feel feel like it
.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Cool.
So it's not right or wrong,whatever you do.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
No, okay, it's however you feel like it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Just on, get on this train well, I hope that this
episode um enlightened you allas much as it did me and gets me
a little closer to doing my ownjourney yeah, we'll put some
some links in the show notesbrian's gonna be the one making
the show notes, including maybehis mushroom playlist, which I
feel like you should calltripping with brian.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Tripping with brian I'm gonna change the name,
tripping with beach.
Sure, anybody that knows,including maybe his mushroom
playlist which I feel like youshould call Trippin' with Brian
Trippin' with.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Brian, I'm going to change the name Trippin' with
Beej.
Sure, anybody that knows usfrom high school will know what
that one's about.
Okay, well, good job, babe,just talking about everything
you wanted to talk about.
Yeah, I think that's great.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'm happy we did this .
You guys have yourself an epicday Stay.
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