August 30, 2024 • 46 mins
What if stepping away from your daily routine could transform your relationship? Join us as we recount a recent experience where a simple date night led to profound insights and personal growth. We discuss the significance of maintaining personal connections amidst the chaos of everyday life, especially as parents, and how intentional time together can rejuvenate a relationship. Brittany shares her initial hesitations and enlightening journey with psilocybin mushrooms, providing a unique perspective on personal growth and intimacy.
We dive into a poignant observation of a family disconnected by technology, sparking a conversation on the importance of staying romantically connected after being together for so long. Our recent retreat to a resort on Vancouver Island serves as a focal point, showcasing how breaking away from routine can help partners reconnect. We also explore the modern challenge of being present without cell phones and how this impacts our ability to communicate and bond effectively.
This episode delves into the transformative power of psilocybin, contrasting it with substances like alcohol and marijuana. Through personal anecdotes and therapeutic realizations, we highlight the significance of openness and surrender for personal development. We share insights from Brittany's psilocybin journey, emphasizing the therapeutic potential of plant medicine in achieving a higher state of love and connection. Tune in for unique date night ideas and join our conversation on raising the vibration in relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, hello everyone.
If you could only hear what wewere just talking about.
Before we hit play or record,brian thinks that we need to say
, hi, awesome humans, hello,amazing people, so maybe we
should have a vote.
How do you want to be greetedon this podcast?
I am excited, though, becauseon this episode of the podcast,
(00:21):
we are going to be talking abouta few things, and I'm kind of
nervous.
I'm kind of nervous about thisone.
You're going to get a littlevulnerable, yeah for sure.
We've had some great feedbackthough so far on the podcast,
and really these are justconversations.
They're very, if you can tell,unscripted.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We have some notes, directions of things you want to
go, but yeah, so tell everybodywhat we're gonna talk about all
right.
So we went on a date a coupleweeks ago, um, so we're gonna
talk about importance of um.
What is, what are we talkingabout?
date nights, date nights, yes,that's right, it's late also why
(01:00):
we shouldn't record this at 930 at night yeah, we're gonna be
talking about the importance ofdate nights and then we're
going to get into a little bitof Brittany's first experience
with psilocybin mushrooms.
That happened on this datenight, and then we're going to
talk about some differencesbetween, maybe some hesitations
(01:22):
by people.
I don't want this to be apodcast about mushrooms and
stuff, but it's kind of turningit's kind of turning into a
little bit and brenny's going totalk about why that is, and
then we're going to talk about,um, yes, people's hesitations.
We're going to talk about um, Idon't know.
We're just going to talk aboutwhat we talk about after that
(01:59):
it's going to just kind of go.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Who was three and a half in his entire life.
So it was like weird, becausewe've spent 20 years together
before we had him, and then itwas like we didn't almost know
what to do with ourselveswithout him there, or like being
the one that we're focused on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, because our Marty always has our attention
and when he goes to bed at nightit's like okay, now we're doing
like the house things andgetting ready for bed and then
just crawl on the bed and, youknow, talk to each other a
little bit and go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, it's very routine and it's always like
he's always there, which isgreat, but I think that made me
realize we really do need to getaway more often, like I would
try once a quarter for us.
I mean, we're on VancouverIsland and we don't have like
family here.
I'm so jealous of people thathave family that's like next
door to them and can help soeasily.
But luckily we've gotten somereally great friends here and I
(02:51):
feel like we could probablyswing once a quarter or
something.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Anyways, one thing I noticed too on this date night,
because we used to be so good atdate nights, like every Friday
night was our date night.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, it was planned.
I was excited for it everysingle week.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And really we pretty much 95% of the time just
watched a movie, ate your epicpopcorn and chilled out at home
because we loved our basement ofour old house and, like we,
just that's really what we did.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
We didn't really do anything for date night?
Usually no, and you know that'sall great, but there's always.
There's something we said aboutnot watching a movie and
sitting there and having realconversations about stuff, and
that's why I love that we'redoing this podcast.
We get to talk about realthings.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, exactly, and raise the vibration because we
all need to do that.
But I felt like on this, likethird night that we were away
from him.
It was hard for me to put myphone away and it wasn't like I
was needing to talk to otherpeople.
I just was so worried that whatif something happened to Marty
and you know my friend needs toget ahold of me and like my
phone's off.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I was like, well, why don't we just give her the?
Tell her, tell her what roomwe're in.
Give her the number for the youknow our friend whose house
Marty was staying at.
Give her the number for thehotel and it's emergency.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
they'll like she'll contact us and I was like oh
yeah, yeah, how did we functionbefore cell phones?
So ridiculous.
We were always mindful.
Yeah, we were always mindful.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
You got to share maybe in the show notes that
really funny reel it was just areel about how, before cell
phones, you were always mindfullike you're on the bus watching
the haunt, a station, trip offthe window.
You're mindful that you're justlike you know whatever you're
doing.
You're mindful because youdidn't have a cell phone.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
There's no distractions, you're always
present, you're just there beingyou yeah, in that moment and
now we don't know how to doanything without our cell phones
, and that was just proof to me.
And then also we set it up soit was like her phone call or
text would come through if I hadeverything else shut off,
because I don't have my phoneset up like that you have to do
not stirbs set up on your phone.
Anyway, and then I was like,okay, I can relax now.
(04:50):
And there was that quotespeaking of cell phones.
I saw on Instagram the otherday when you're ready for a
child's childhood to end, givethem a phone.
And that hit me so hard becauseI think we have a conversation
of like raising a kid in thisworld of cell phones, how do we
know when to give them a cellphone.
And then I thought about thattranslated into marriages and
(05:11):
relationships and like even methat night not even being able
to shut off, when I knew my kidwas like in a safe place and
probably she wouldn't need toget a hold of us for anything
urgent.
And I thought to myself like ifyou want better communication
communication in a marriage,which I think most people would
want better communicationbecause our phones take us away
from being mindful, like yousaid that, um, it's kind of like
(05:38):
how our phones.
It's like if you have yourphone with you, what did you say
?
It's like having the generalpublic with you?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
you have the general public with you.
You, you have the generalpublic with you.
You have a constant distraction.
Here are dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Just ignore our dog in the background.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You have always have a distraction.
You can't be fully there andpresent with the person.
But that's also what havingcell phones teaches you.
It teaches you to not bepresent.
It teaches you to always havedistractions.
It's like such a.
It's a you know a tool, butit's also like a curse at the
same time, just the way itreprograms our brain.
(06:10):
So it's like weird.
How do you think of things totalk about when you don't have
your cell phone with you andyou've haven't been on date
nights in a long time and youhaven't sat down and had real
conversations with yoursignificant other?
Like what do you talk about?
Do you talk about your kid?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, exactly, it should be like date nights no
cell phone and we can't talkabout our kid.
Yeah, like rules of the datenight.
Remember when we were in Idon't know what trip we were on
and we were going to thebreakfast that morning and there
was like a family of four, twokids that were maybe like under
10.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And the parents were sitting there on their phones
and the kids are sitting thereon their tablets.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, Kids are sitting there at the town on
their tablets, headphones onlike feet, on table like Just
savage, like what is happeningin this world.
Like there's a family thatdoesn't know how to be together,
doesn't know how to communicate.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's like you're existing together, but you're
not communicating it's very sadyeah, anyways, that was kind of
like the first part of the datenight.
I just felt kind of like weird,almost like I didn't know how
to just be a without my cellphone, b without my kid and c
just like us together away.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah we're just not used to it after you know and I
think three and a half years,when you don't go on date nights
, you you just kind of coexistwith your significant other.
You're not there romanticallylike when you like.
When you start a relationship,it's all about.
You're talking endlessly andthen, as time goes on, you start
(07:40):
taking maybe the other personfor granted and you don't have
those conversations anymore anda kid comes in the mix and now
all the attention's on the kidand you almost forget about each
other and the love that youonce had.
It's like how do you bring thatback?
And I think when you can focus,put your focus on the other
(08:00):
person more.
You can really look at themlike I'm looking at you right
now, looking in your eyes, andyou just fall in love with them
again.
Well, I think maybe that's agood thing to talk about is, if
you don't know what to talkabout, talk about when you were
young.
Talk about like when, when youguys first met talk about the
feelings you had talk about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Even us doing the first podcast explaining our
story Exactly.
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's like memory lane , but all those good feelings
you had about the other personcome back.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, I love that.
And I think when you don't havethe date nights and you're not
aware that you are like that outof touch or out of sync or
disconnected, right Like becausewe had that experience, we
realized, oh my God, like whatthe heck?
And it's weird because we havesuch a solid foundation in our
relationship, like I mean 10years dating, 10 years married
(08:52):
before bringing a kid in.
Like we know people that havekids before they're married.
So, like, how does that factorinto?
Like there's just so much youguys.
And what happens when you havemultiple kids?
Oh my gosh, I know, because wehave so many friends that have
so many kids too.
I just think, at the end of theday, date nights are important
and when you have them, bepresent, put your phone away and
(09:12):
don't talk about your kids.
You talk about them enough.
So I guess at that we went tolike the most beautiful resort.
If you guys are on VancouverIsland, I highly recommend Villa
Irie.
Irie, I don't know how to sayit, villa Irie.
E-Y-R-I-E and Alpina is therestaurant.
(09:33):
Yeah, probably the best foodwe've ever ate.
We were basically licking ourplates.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, we definitely were licking our plates.
So good, and so after supper so, Brittany, I had brought some
mushrooms with us.
I had two grams of mushrooms,one for her, one for me, because
she had expressed that shewanted to try them at one point
(09:58):
and she wants to do it as like atherapeutic journey at some
point.
But I feel like you should doit.
Do a small dose first, Like Isaid in episode four, where you
kind of build a relationshipwith it, check your tolerances,
all that stuff.
So one gram is kind of where youwant to start and just see how
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you feel.
So we had supper came back andshe knew I had them, but I
wasn't like I was letting herdecide.
She's like I want to take them.
You're like what?
Yeah, so why don't you tellthem why you felt you wanted to
take?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
them.
Well, I think I felt like I'vebeen sort of jealous of you, in
a way, of the experiences thatyou've had being on them.
Like I like working with energyhealers and people that kind of
tell me things.
But I feel like you go and dothese journeys and it's like
you're having these revelationsand stuff from just going inward
with yourself and I was like Iwant that but I'm scared of it
because I'm such a control freakand I also know that I've never
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done any form of psilocybinbefore and so I don't know how
my body would react.
I've never done.
You've done, a couple microdoses You've done a couple micro
doses, micro doses, but like Ifeel like it doesn't count, no,
anyways.
And so I just thought, ifthere's any night to give this a
try it would be a night thatI'm not responsible for my son,
and these nights are very farand few between and I just
thought like I'll just give it atry.
(11:18):
And so, on a full stomach, wehad a chocolate protein shake
with the mushrooms in there, andI would say I started noticing
about half an hour later and Ijust felt like I just wanted to
lay down, like I didn't reallyknow what I was supposed to be
doing or feeling, but I justremember laying on that bed and
feeling like I was becoming onewith the bed, like I was so
(11:39):
comfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You decided you wanted to.
We just wanted to lay down.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
but at first you felt like you're floating across the
room Right when we got up fromthe chairs we're sitting outside
watching the sunset and I waslike I think I want to lay down.
And when I stood up to go walkto the bed, I felt like my legs
were off the ground, like myarms felt heavy and kind of
weird.
But then my legs felt like theywere.
I felt like I floated to thebed.
It was so weird, yeah.
But then I fell into the bedand was like I don't want to
move, this is so comfortable andmade myself take my contacts
(12:06):
out.
My arms felt so weird.
I was like I can't even wash myface.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I don't even care and guys, this still.
We're still talking about datenights here too.
Yeah, this isn't just aseparate event.
Brittany is going to it's allconnected when we talk about the
(12:32):
importance of date nights andbernie's gonna tell you why
doing what we did with themushrooms was gonna come full
circle.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, it's gonna come full circle.
Stick with us, hang tightpeople, yeah.
So anyways, I just like took mycontacts out, laid in bed and
we were listening to.
Well, if you guys know brianhas the mushroom playlist, let's
go on a mushroom trip.
That was called playlist onspotify.
If you guys know, brian has themushroom playlist.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Let's go on a mushroom trip, is that what?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
it's called yeah Playlist on Spotify.
If you don't have it, you needto get it, even if it's just for
working in your office.
I have it playing all the timepretty much in our house.
It's such a good.
It's just such good and drivingaround with it it's so good.
But it obviously soundeddifferent when the.
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It was like my brain justbecame so clear and I just was.
I'm still finding this hard toput into words.
One of the first feelings thatI remember having was I feel
like my nervous system isfinally having a break, like I'm
finally offline.
Yeah, and by that I mean withmy son and my control issues.
I feel like I've either beenwith him 24 seven or, if he's
(13:30):
sleeping, I have his monitorright beside my ear Like he's
always.
I'm never like fully.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And even when you're gone, you're always thinking and
worried about him and likeeverything Right.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, Like it's just, I have to learn and I don't
know where that all comes from.
I guess this is part of whatI'm figuring out, but I just I
remember just thinking like mynervous system is getting a
break.
My body had never felt sorelaxed.
And I also realized cause Ihave always like an underlying
level of pain in my body, justcause I have scoliosis.
My back is always sore a littlebit, even if it's not something
(14:05):
I really noticed.
But I remember thinking likethere's zero pain in my body,
like zero pain in my body.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was exactly the same with me.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, I mean, obviously you have done more
psilocybin than me, so I it wasaffecting me a lot more than you
, right?
But one thing I don't know whatorder this kind of went in, but
one thing I had this hugeepiphany and I was like you know
that book?
I ask everybody this and nobodyknows the book.
(14:34):
So maybe listen, if you'relistening to this, you don't
know the book either, but we allneed to read it.
It's called a return to love bymarianne williamson.
And I just thought to whenyou're born as a baby or you
think of like whether it's yourkid or someone else's baby that
you're holding.
They're just pure love.
They're just like love andlight.
And I feel like the older webecome and the more you know.
(14:57):
I don't know what the word is.
What's the word I'm looking for?
What's the word I'm looking for?
Oh, you get full of like sin,as you know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You get corrupted, you get you're just exposed to
life, yeah, exposed toeverything dark in the world
you're, and just conditioning,just like regular life stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Like just you know, like you, just you just get
further away from like thatoriginal, kind of like love that
you were when you were born andI feel like you kind of return
to that love right before youdie.
Like I think about being with mygrandma in 2018, before she
passed, and I felt almost likethat same sense, almost as a
newborn Like that sounds soweird to say, but like it's just
(15:37):
that, that return to love,feeling like there's just pure
love and anybody that's had anear death experience and they
explain it.
It's like pure love.
There's no judgment, there's nothis, there's no that, and I
think we've talked about this onthe podcast and I just remember
thinking the book is calledReturn to Love and I have no
idea if this is right, but in mybrain it was very clear because
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when you have psilocybin inyour body, it helps you like
return to that love place,whereas if you just keep on
living life and numbing yourselfwith alcohol and other drugs,
that, just like you know, we'retrying to do everything in our
life to like get away from thebad feelings that we have, the
negative feelings, the anxiety,the depression, all the things
(16:17):
that we face because of life andit's just getting us further
away from love.
And the older that we are, thefurther away from love we are
even more so if we're notfocused on returning to it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And love can be like source, like where you come from
and where you go to.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I don't know, it's like a warm, hugging
embrace and everything justfeels good, yeah, I mean, I
always hear people explain thisbut I never have experienced.
It's like a thing you've got toexperience yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But it's not as it's.
Some people can say well that's, that's just escapism, you're
trying to escape the realitiesof the world.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's everything else.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, or are you just trying to up your vibe so you
can function better in the world?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, I had an energy session with my friend, julie,
who we will have on the podcast,and she said, after I did that
psilocybin journey with that onegram she's like I can tell like
you energetically have beenlike leveled up.
She could tell in my justenergy, which I thought was
pretty cool.
But I just remember thinkinglike this is why everybody needs
(17:25):
to have like do psilocybin,because it brings you closer to
love where it's like everythingelse takes you further away from
it.
And then you end up you knowlater in life and you're feeling
like life is purposeless and Imean look at rates of suicide
and all just kinds of thingsalcoholism.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
We have.
We had a friend who was tellingus about her parents and how
they sit there on their cellphones like for five hours in
the night and they'll play gamesand they don't talk to each
other and they really need adate night for sure.
But I remember thinking aboutthat while we were.
(18:03):
But I remember thinking aboutthat while we were laying in bed
that night and I was likecrying for them and how hurting
they must be in theirrelationship.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's sad to think about, but this is so many
people and I think so manypeople don't know that there is
something like this that couldhelp them, which is why I think
I get so annoyed that the stigmaaround mushrooms is like a drug
that is in that category.
Like this is a.
This is a pretty low dose.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's plant medicine you could get it.
I mean, we live on vancouverisland.
It's like this stuff's gonna bepopping out of the dirt here
right away.
Yeah, on its own but I thinktoo.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, and why are um pharmaceutical companies
trying to make syntheticpsilocybin and then profit off
of it?
You know it's like, oh darn,there's something that actually
grows out of the ground that canhelp you therapeutically.
I mean, you can get this.
I have a friend who did this ina therapist's office.
You know you can go to CostaRica or Bali or whatever and do
(19:00):
these journeys with plantmedicine.
And I think, like everybodyneeds to do that, whether you're
doing it on your own, becausebecause you've researched it and
you need to feel safe.
How to do that on your own orwith, like, someone who's like
in the house with you, like howwe have been doing it, or if you
go to Costa Rica or Bali and doit, I just think you've got to
figure out how to do it, becauseit returns you closer to love,
which is where we all need to bein a higher vibration state of
(19:22):
love.
Otherwise we're operating outof fear.
Why do I have such a like?
I'm so scared of letting go ofcontrol, like that's just.
That's all rooted in fear, andfear is like a hundred frequency
, hundred hertz frequency versuslove.
If you look at the map ofconsciousness is 500.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's an absolutely different level of vibration and
the higher the frequency we get, the more we operate in.
Like it's like energy, like ourenergy field gets bigger.
When you're operating on a lowfrequency, you feel more dense,
Everything feels heavy.
It's just like life sucking.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Maybe that's why I felt like, when the psilocybin
wore off was about four or fivehours later, my body just felt
heavy again.
You know, like it's like you'rekind of coming back to more of
the frequency that we're in juston earth, but I just I remember
my body feeling like heavier.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's like an energy upgrade.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, and it definitely felt like that Like,
and I can't stop thinking aboutthe things I was thinking about.
Felt like that like and I can'tstop thinking about the things
I was thinking about, and I'veheard people say you just, you
just think about thingsdifferently.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And once you think about things differently, you
can't unthink that no, and we'vesaid this before you once you
see something, you can't see it,but you're the way you approach
.
Like certain things, it's.
You can't do that in a, in anormal state no because you're.
It's connecting parts of yourbrain together that don't
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normally connect, and you justhave these enlightened thoughts.
It's like your higher self isjust coming out.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You have access to it , so it's like more of your
brain is working.
It literally is Well, and Iguess that's why there's people
that are using this intherapist's office, and you know
that it helps with things likeanxiety, depression, alzheimer's
.
What else have you?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
researched.
It is a tool.
It's a tool that helps people.
So why is this classified as a?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
drug.
It literally makes me crazy.
Because, when I hear anybodycomplain, I just think like they
need psilocybin, they need thisto help them.
Go inward and deal with themLike go inward, not look for the
answer outside of you or numbit, but with other substances,
and get further from love.
I don't know if that is makingany sense, you guys, but this is
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just like was part of my hugeepiphany.
Were you going to say something?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, just, about this whole thing.
So I'm sitting there, I, youknow, I had, I had the mushrooms
too, but and I was experiencingsome neat stuff and a lot of
feelings and we had some amazingconversations.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I feel like it was, oh my god, it was so great.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Some of the best conversations we've had in a in
a long time.
It was amazing I just felt soconnected to you and it was just
yeah, relationship wise, Ithink everyone needs to do this,
but Brittany was going througha lot of emotions.
She was crying, she waslaughing and I was just kind of
keeping reserved, like my, mythoughts.
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For most part I was keepingreserved and I was just there
trying to support you and helpyou through the things that you
were feeling.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And I felt that I felt very supportive, I felt
very safe, I felt very comforted, like I felt like that was
definitely the place toexperience this for the first
time.
I would never and I have neverwell, I've never done any drugs
before, but I've never.
I wouldn't do this in like asetting and then like go out.
I know a lot of people do.
But I just love the therapeuticbenefit of using this because I
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cannot believe.
I don't think I was thinking Iwas going to go on any type of
journey.
No.
But I I did, like I really did,and it was like my eyes just
wanted to have like water comingout of them.
Whether I was, like Brian said,laughing so hard that I was
physically crying, basicallylike I had to go wash my makeup
off because I had mascara downto my chin, I'm positive.
(23:09):
And then as soon as I was likedone laughing, then I was
bawling, but it was like I itfelt good to cry, I needed to
get it out.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
it was like it's an energy release.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yes, it was something in my body that needed to go
and it felt really good, like toget the tears out.
It seems so weird.
And I remember one point I wentto the bathroom and I looked at
myself in the mirror and Iremember, just like seeing my
reflection like it was me, butit like also wasn't me, and I
got these vibes of like, kind oflike a lion, like something
(23:40):
about me reminded me of a lion.
I don't know if it's becauseI'm a Leo, I don't know why I
had that vision Power and I justremember saying in my head
that's not me.
When I look at myself, that'snot really what I see.
And it was like this voice saidI've always been here, you just
don't always see me, don'talways see me.
(24:09):
And it was this weird like um,almost reminder of this, like
inner power that I have that Ijust forget about, or something
I don't know.
It's kind of a profound littlemoment.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, if you understand anything about energy
, you know, maybe it was your,your higher self, talking to you
as an energy being.
We don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's so cool to think of I also remember thinking,
just like when I think aboutlife in general, and I didn't
even know if I wanted to sharethis because I feel like this is
where I'm going to sound like acrazy person, whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I already do.
You're not wrong, though, whenyou tell.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay, I feel like the way I look at life is just like
it's one big stupid game thatwe're forced to be in.
We're just like playing thisgame of life and like the
currency is, you know it's moneylike you, like you don't want
to make everything about money,but it's like everything
everything is about money.
You can't live somewhere.
(25:01):
We're going holiday or do thisor do that.
Yeah, money's made up.
It's not even real it's energy.
It's a completely fake thing andit's like we're literally I
look at us like from uh, if youcan zoom way, way, way, way, way
, way out, looking at people onearth, just like playing this
dumb game, like we've inventedtime, we've invented money,
we've invented rules, we'veinvented all of this dumb stuff
that we operate in.
And then you had sent me thatreel.
(25:21):
That was a picture of thegalaxy and there's a little
speck in this galaxy and it waspoint.
The arrow was pointing at itand it said and here you are,
living in fear and paying taxes.
Yeah, and I could not get thatout of my head.
But when we did, like thatjourney together, I was like
this game, this life is so dumb.
Like this is not that life isdumb, but like it just seems
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like a game.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, where it's like forces everyone to be stressed
about everything all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
It takes us away from love.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.
So when you're on mushrooms andit becomes clear, it's like
you're returning to love again.
Everything in this game is adistraction that keeps literally
keeps our vibration down.
I mean distracts you fromwhat's important which is
connecting connecting you acrossthe table from you putting your
phone down, talking with yourkids being with the earth,
(26:17):
experiencing joy, love.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I know it's.
If we are here to help raisethe vibration of the planet,
these are very small ways thatwe can do that.
Yeah, like I don't know, and sothat was weird.
And also a weird thing, kind oflike an aftershock of this was
I've always had a huge fear ofdeath and dying, and I no longer
fear death because I just feellike this sounds really bad.
(26:40):
But I feel like, well good, I'mout of this stupid game.
Not that I want to be like Istill want to live till 107, but
I just feel like now that Iknow this is kind of this weird
game, this life, like I don'twant to.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's a different perspective.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, that's maybe the only way to say it.
It's a different perspectiveand I also had this really deep
and talk about us feeling reallyconnected.
I felt like it was like a soulconnection, like it was like I
want one point.
I started crying and you werelike what's like?
Are you okay?
And I'm like, yeah, I just Ifeel like I, I had our souls.
(27:11):
If you believe in past lives,which obviously we do, um, we've
been together in many otherpast lives.
We've been told this by manypeople.
So when that happens and soulsreincarnate together, it's like
usually in different capacities,like we can be mother, daughter
, brother, sister, whatevercapacity we don't know.
And I feel like my soul knows,but I don't know, like my mind
(27:31):
doesn't know in this life, and Ifeel like when we were laying
there, I just it was like yoursoul was like being entwined and
wrapped up with my soul and Ijust felt like it felt familiar
and I feel like then I got sadfor myself because I didn't have
that in my life until I was 15when I met you and it's like
(27:51):
maybe in other lives I had youfrom when I was born, that soul
connection and maybe that's alsowhy our connection was so
indescribably strong when we metwhen I was 15, you were 17
because it was like our soulsknew, like remember, when we had
astrology done by Gary and hesaid you guys are like magnets
to each other.
He's like it would have beenhard for you guys to not find
(28:13):
each other in this lifetime.
And I feel like I was feelingthat and I just was like almost.
I was almost feeling sad for myyounger self that I didn't have
you in my life.
It was I don't know, it was aweird thing sad for my younger
self that I didn't have you inmy life.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It was I don't know, it was a weird thing.
Yeah, that was a really neat,really neat thing and like this
isn't even like a huge doseeither.
This was, it was so weird.
I'm kind of scared.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I'm going to take more, but now I'm excited to do
it, cause now I'm like, if thatwas a glimpse into it, then give
me more.
Like I want to go deeper andfurther and like see, set more
expectations.
I had zero expectations.
I just thought this would be mybody feeling like what
psilocybin was like in my body.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
There was a lot of realizations you had about other
things in your life too.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And I was funny.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And you were a freaking comedian.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It was great At one point I was like I'm pretty sure
I could write the next comedyact and be like the next Kevin
Hart.
Like what am I doing?
I'm in the wrong profession.
I'm actually a comedian.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was hilarious, oh, but actually a comedian.
It was hilarious, oh, but yeah,it was neat that when our souls
, when we, you know, you feltour souls together like there
wasn't it wasn't a sexual thingat all, not at all.
It was just like a, a lovingconnection intense connection.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It just felt and it felt so good that it was just
like emotional for me.
Yeah, and I also realized thatwhen I was young I kind of early
on put this like mask ofmasculinity on.
That's another story foranother podcast like my
upbringing, but my mom wasn'treally present in my life and
then when she was two, when Iwas two, she was then out of my
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life and I feel like my soulI've been told this that one
time I was well, I'll just tellthe story I was in my crib and I
used to get left alone in thecrib, my dad was working, my mom
would leave and go to the bar,and so I mean, obviously I don't
remember that happening, but mysoul does, my muscle memory
(29:58):
does, my like that trauma is inmy body.
But I had a Reiki session, avery powerful one, a year ago it
was last August and she saidthat she went right to my crib
when I was little, I was likeless than one and I had called
in some other like earth, likeangel, for guidance and help,
which is so crazy.
And she said you decided rightthen and there that you were
(30:19):
going to live a different life.
And I feel like I also, at thatpoint point, without knowing it,
put on this mask of masculinitywhere I had to, at some level,
take care of myself, and Ialways had this responsibility
that no one put on me.
I literally put it on myself,and during this experience, I
felt like I just want to take itoff.
(30:40):
I want to be held, I want to besupported.
I don't want this anymore, andmaybe that's where all this
control has come.
I mean, you can tell me, eventalking this through, like I'm
still figuring this out, yeah,but like what crazy insights.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, there were so many crazy insights and those
are the ones that I can reallythink of.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
But that kind of brought me to we were joking how
I was like we could literallyhelp people with like that have
marriage troubles Just like givethem a gram of mushrooms, a
chocolate protein shake and golay on that bed and play this.
You know music yeah and just bejust surrender and thank me
later and it was free, like wedo, lifetimes and decades and
(31:26):
thousands of dollars of liketalk therapy and like where does
that get people?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
well, I mean, it helps yeah, like it's insane
therapy when you do it on yourown and it's insane therapy when
you you do it as a couple andyou go through these things and
talk to each other and, yeah, itwas a amazing night.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I definitely feel more connected to you again than
I did before I remember yousaid, said to me you're like I
feel like I love you even morethan I already did, and it was
just like it was.
It was such a great night,honestly.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, walls come down .
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I feel like we've never talked that much.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
No, it was, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
So anyways, I highly recommend.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's like yeah, there's nothing to talk about.
Well, when you have mushroomsin your system, your brain opens
up insights.
You're getting all theseinsights.
Well, there's all your contentto talk about.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, basically it was just crazy, and so obviously
then we've told some friendsabout this and I find the
hesitations are a little bitlike, because I'm just like I
want all my friends to do this,I want you to experience this
because it is like therapy.
It is literally like therapy,and I will tell you that because
(32:40):
I was so tired the next day,not from lack of sleep, just
like literally doing the work.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, your brain was just doing so much work.
You're mentally exhausted.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I was mentally exhausted.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You don't feel like there's no hangover.
No none, it's not like that atall.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I was just tired from like it was like I had a big
personal development coursebecause I've been equally tired
from doing those types of thingsin the past.
But I find some people arehesitant to do to use psilocybin
therapeutically, like we are,because either they've done it
in a party setting and had somebad trips, as you've heard
people say.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, because you're exposing yourself to all the
energy You're it's.
That's just a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Again, go back to episode, whatever it is where
you explain how to do episodefour.
And then some people on theflip side are like me, where
they've never done a drug andthey consider this a drug and
they will never do it becausethey don't do drugs.
That was a huge thing for me toovercome.
When I look at it as plantmedicine and as a way to like
almost give myself this therapy,then it makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, like so we're not taking this and walking
around in the world.
Yeah, no, no, you, you do it ina safe place and it's a whole
other thing because you're whenyou're on psilocybin, you feel
like vulnerable, right, so it'dbe scary when everything's being
bombarded at you.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Part of why, also, you wanted to do your journey on
your own and did all thatresearch that you've taught on
this podcast already in episodefour, because even when you do
it in a setting like, say, ifyou went to Costa Rica or you
went to Bali or something,there's still other energies of
people around you.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And some people.
That's fine, Like it's greatfor some people.
For me, I know I am insanelysensitive to other people's
energies.
Well, you're a reflector andjust even in the street I am, I
can sense it's weird.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Human design.
We'll get to that very soonwith our friend Peg, because
this makes sense when you knowBrian, but what do you say to
that Brian?
When people are like those aretheir hesitations or fears?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I mean, like in normal life, we want to control
everything.
We want to control our spouse,we want to control our kids, we
want to control the traffic infront of us.
We want to control everythingall the time.
And people are.
You know, you're alwaysbitching about all no-transcript
(35:22):
, you're getting distracted andyou're going to do this and
you're going to do that Likeit's so.
You don't.
It's just controls an illusion,right?
So when we can feel like, putit this way, the most amazing
experiences you've ever had inyour life were you open or were
you closed?
So think of when you fall inlove, you're open.
(35:43):
When you decide to have a kid,you're open.
Everything that's good, that'sever happened to you.
An experience when you know, goto nature, go on a trip, you're
open to the experience.
That's so true.
It feels light, right.
When you're closed off andyou're like, oh, I, I can't, I
don't want to do that.
I want to give a control.
(36:03):
Like everything that feelsheavy, like strict, open feels
light close close, feels heavybecause it's restriction.
It's like resistance.
It's's like when you look at,you know, think of life as like,
or even a relationship as alike a stream, and it's just
flowing.
The energy is flowing and youput a rock in the water.
(36:25):
Now you got resistance.
That's like you being closed.
So when you understand what amushroom trip is, it's like
accessing your subconscious,your higher self.
Right.
Why would you not want like you?
You let everything elsedistract you and take your vibe
(36:45):
down with everything in theworld and the mushrooms are
going to up-level you.
They're going to.
But the thing is when peopleget scared.
Some people get scared becausethey might see things they don't
want to see, or they might havea realization that I've been
married to the wrong person.
I've been.
You know it can be scary.
I've been doing, I've been inthe wrong career for years,
(37:08):
because your subconscious trulyknows the answers of what you
really want and it'll will bringit out.
So that's another hesitationthat makes sense.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Do this, but because we avoid things that we don't
want to yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
But your subconscious knows deep down.
You know what you really want,your you truly want, your soul
truly wants, and the mushroomswill will help bring that out
and that can be scary.
But to experience this you haveto give up control, you have to
be open and you have tosurrender.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That can be hard for people, especially people that
have been closed off all theirlife on everything so to people
that think, okay, so we callthis plant medicine, some people
would say, well, weed is aplant.
So like, what's the difference?
Because, like, I'll never doweed.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
No, there's major differences in the two.
So weed well, first of all,marijuana, marijuana cannabis.
I'm not an expert on this.
I'm going to explain this thebest I can, but I've been around
marijuana my whole life, sinceI was a little kid.
(38:23):
I'll tell you the story here ina minute, but so it can enter
your body in about 30 secondsand stays in your tissue for
about three months.
So, siphon, take it, you pee itout, it's gone, it's done right
.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Marijuana stores in your fat cells.
So smoking changes your DNA.
There's five areas in your DNAI can't remember the exact, I
forgot to look it up but there'sfive things in your DNA.
I can't remember the exact, Iforgot to look look it up but
there's five things in your DNAthat, um, smoking changes.
Marijuana changes four of thosefive.
(38:59):
So it's almost as bad with yourDNA manipulation.
It's called a methylation.
This has to do with, like,aging and a bunch of different
DNA triggers.
That, uh, that happens when you, when you smoke.
Um, so there's that.
And then you got you'reinhaling smoke in your lungs.
That on what planet is that agood thing?
Right, right, well, there'sedibles.
(39:21):
You can do edibles.
Obviously you're not inhalingsmoke, but when you're inhaling
anything in your lungs, like I'mvery athletic, I don't want
anything in my lungs.
Yeah, I want to use them toinhale oxygen, to help me
breathe, to live a long lifewith a long life.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I don't want to clog up my lungs, yeah, I want to use
them to inhale oxygen, to helpme breathe, to live a long life,
long life I don't want to clogup my lungs with anything, uh,
so there's that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Especially if you're vaping, vaping is just is it
even worse?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
oh yeah, vaping is even worse but people do it
because they think it's betteryeah, it's more convenient,
right, um?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
so I I did a bit of research and watched some more
andrew huberman stuff.
Uh, he's got some great stuffon there about, uh, how
marijuana affects your brain.
Now this one I've seenfirsthand.
Um, it increases paranoia insome people, um, and some people
not, like like mildly, likeintensely, and I've seen this
(40:11):
because my dad he becameinsanely paranoid and he was
like he smoked weed.
You know, before I was, I wasborn, he was, yeah, it wasn't
cool.
That's why I've been around itso long, because my dad was
basically like drug dealer atone point in my life and he got
insanely paranoid, anxiety, likeit was not cool, like not cool
(40:36):
at all.
He'd be like yelling at peopleat Walmart, like someone drive
by the house or walk by thehouse, and he'd be like
screaming at them, like he wasso paranoid.
But the thing is it escalates.
So when you smoke the weed yourparanoia comes down, but when
you get off it it levels up andthen you have to keep smoking
more for it to come down moreand it just keeps getting higher
(40:56):
and higher and higher and yourparanoia just gets off the
charts.
And I've seen that.
I remember watching a episodeof um nature of things with
david suzuki remember him backin the day.
And there's a gene that somepeople have that when you smoke
marijuana it triggers this geneand paranoia starts interesting
and you don't know if it's goingto be you or not.
(41:17):
So you're taking a chance, right?
So that's why I don't smoke it.
Well, I don't like the feelingof it, but I don't smoke it
because my dad had it.
What if I become paranoid?
Yeah right, um.
So it has insane effects onshort-term memory and even
long-term memory.
So think about like it lowersyour, your neuron function.
(41:38):
So think about stoners,potheads, burnouts, like we got
these people that you can tellthey've been smoking weed their
whole life.
You're like oh yeah, bro,they're just, they're burnt out,
they don't think normallyanymore because they smoke so
much weed.
Like that's brain damage yeah,basically and you don't function
(42:00):
well when you have that kind ofyou know thing going on in your
head.
Yeah, you have memory damage.
You're not going to thinknormally, um, when you smoke and
you do mushrooms not the sametime but there's, there's some
similarities and and um how yourbody can respond to it.
But the thing with weed is it'ssomething that you do like all
(42:22):
the time.
Someone will smoke weed everysingle day and they'll get this
feeling right and it people like.
People call it getting high,but it's really bringing down
your vibe because you're at thelower brain function.
Yeah, you're not thinking asmuch, you're zoning out.
It's really bringing down yourvibe because you're at the lower
brain function.
You're not thinking as much,you're zoning out.
It's-.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
You're numbing.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
It's numbing.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
You're getting further away from love.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, you're getting further away from love, and then
you'll get the munchies after.
Yeah, but when you do mushrooms, it's not something you do
every day.
You do it you know once a month, once every six months.
You know once a month, onceevery six months.
But when you take mushrooms,your brain is talking to itself
better.
You know, you have theneuroplasticity.
You're making new pathways.
It's not changing yourpersonality, it's upregulating
(43:04):
your, your thought process right.
It's totally different things,but it doesn't.
It doesn't change you as aperson, but you can.
You can abuse mushrooms too,and you and you can have some.
You know, if you did it overand over and over and over and
over and over, back to back toback, you you can end up with
psychological things.
And if you take mushrooms andyou had previous like psycho
(43:27):
things happening or a psychopsychological diagnosis, it can
bring that out more.
So don't take them if if youhave some kind of you know
mental disorder already.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
But all right, I feel like I'm going on and on and on
here, but the weed mushroomsare two totally different things
yeah, that's good, because Ijust feel like when someone had
asked me, um well, what's thedifference if, like, mushrooms
are a plant and that's plantmedicine?
Like, isn't weed a plant andit's like right?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
but weed is like bioengineered basically.
You got uh, people geneticallymodifying it.
It's grown in fake rooms withartificial light, with insane
amounts of fertilizer.
It's not weed that's grown inthe garden in jamaica, right?
(44:11):
Two totally different things,right?
so it's not plant medicineanymore, it's, it's manufactured
as a drug probably what thepharmaceutical industry is
trying to do psilocybin yeah,like weed has I think like 90
thc now, where back in the dayit had like 10 when it was just
grown in a field in the sun.
And mushrooms are grown just indirt and they grow from
(44:36):
decomposing Just from the dirt.
There's no chemicals.
You can't hack that.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, well, that was a big topic.
I didn't know we had this muchto say.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So there you go, date nights.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I feel, yeah, you just take some mushrooms, go lay
in a room and you'll have thebest date night of your life.
We kept the PG version for you.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
You had to say that You're going to cut that out.
No.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I'm not going to cut that out.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Anyways, I hope that that was helpful for some of you
guys, and now I'm feeling moreexcited to do my actual journey
and we'll see what happens withthat because you'll be the first
that I'll tell what happened inthat experience.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, we'd love to hear from you guys and just how
you know some recent date nightsyou've been on.
What are some things thatyou've done together that have
helped you guys connect withyour significant other?
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, let's keep raising the vibration, friends,
right on, Stay awesome guys.
Well, hello everyone.
If you could only hear what wewere just talking about.
Before we hit play or record,brian thinks that we need to say
, hi, awesome humans, hello,amazing people, so maybe we
should have a vote.
How do you want to be greetedon this podcast?
I am excited, though, becauseon this episode of the podcast,
(00:21):
we are going to be talking abouta few things, and I'm kind of
nervous.
I'm kind of nervous about thisone.
You're going to get a littlevulnerable, yeah for sure.
We've had some great feedbackthough so far on the podcast,
and really these are justconversations.
They're very, if you can tell,unscripted.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We have some notes, directions of things you want to
go, but yeah, so tell everybodywhat we're gonna talk about all
right.
So we went on a date a coupleweeks ago, um, so we're gonna
talk about importance of um.
What is, what are we talkingabout?
date nights, date nights, yes,that's right, it's late also why
(01:00):
we shouldn't record this at 930 at night yeah, we're gonna be
talking about the importance ofdate nights and then we're
going to get into a little bitof Brittany's first experience
with psilocybin mushrooms.
That happened on this datenight, and then we're going to
talk about some differencesbetween, maybe some hesitations
(01:22):
by people.
I don't want this to be apodcast about mushrooms and
stuff, but it's kind of turningit's kind of turning into a
little bit and brenny's going totalk about why that is, and
then we're going to talk about,um, yes, people's hesitations.
We're going to talk about um, Idon't know.
We're just going to talk aboutwhat we talk about after that
(01:59):
it's going to just kind of go.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Who was three and a half in his entire life.
So it was like weird, becausewe've spent 20 years together
before we had him, and then itwas like we didn't almost know
what to do with ourselveswithout him there, or like being
the one that we're focused on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, because our Marty always has our attention
and when he goes to bed at nightit's like okay, now we're doing
like the house things andgetting ready for bed and then
just crawl on the bed and, youknow, talk to each other a
little bit and go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, it's very routine and it's always like
he's always there, which isgreat, but I think that made me
realize we really do need to getaway more often, like I would
try once a quarter for us.
I mean, we're on VancouverIsland and we don't have like
family here.
I'm so jealous of people thathave family that's like next
door to them and can help soeasily.
But luckily we've gotten somereally great friends here and I
(02:51):
feel like we could probablyswing once a quarter or
something.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Anyways, one thing I noticed too on this date night,
because we used to be so good atdate nights, like every Friday
night was our date night.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, it was planned.
I was excited for it everysingle week.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And really we pretty much 95% of the time just
watched a movie, ate your epicpopcorn and chilled out at home
because we loved our basement ofour old house and, like we,
just that's really what we did.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
We didn't really do anything for date night?
Usually no, and you know that'sall great, but there's always.
There's something we said aboutnot watching a movie and
sitting there and having realconversations about stuff, and
that's why I love that we'redoing this podcast.
We get to talk about realthings.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, exactly, and raise the vibration because we
all need to do that.
But I felt like on this, likethird night that we were away
from him.
It was hard for me to put myphone away and it wasn't like I
was needing to talk to otherpeople.
I just was so worried that whatif something happened to Marty
and you know my friend needs toget ahold of me and like my
phone's off.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I was like, well, why don't we just give her the?
Tell her, tell her what roomwe're in.
Give her the number for the youknow our friend whose house
Marty was staying at.
Give her the number for thehotel and it's emergency.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
they'll like she'll contact us and I was like oh
yeah, yeah, how did we functionbefore cell phones?
So ridiculous.
We were always mindful.
Yeah, we were always mindful.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
You got to share maybe in the show notes that
really funny reel it was just areel about how, before cell
phones, you were always mindfullike you're on the bus watching
the haunt, a station, trip offthe window.
You're mindful that you're justlike you know whatever you're
doing.
You're mindful because youdidn't have a cell phone.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
There's no distractions, you're always
present, you're just there beingyou yeah, in that moment and
now we don't know how to doanything without our cell phones
, and that was just proof to me.
And then also we set it up soit was like her phone call or
text would come through if I hadeverything else shut off,
because I don't have my phoneset up like that you have to do
not stirbs set up on your phone.
Anyway, and then I was like,okay, I can relax now.
(04:50):
And there was that quotespeaking of cell phones.
I saw on Instagram the otherday when you're ready for a
child's childhood to end, givethem a phone.
And that hit me so hard becauseI think we have a conversation
of like raising a kid in thisworld of cell phones, how do we
know when to give them a cellphone.
And then I thought about thattranslated into marriages and
(05:11):
relationships and like even methat night not even being able
to shut off, when I knew my kidwas like in a safe place and
probably she wouldn't need toget a hold of us for anything
urgent.
And I thought to myself like ifyou want better communication
communication in a marriage,which I think most people would
want better communicationbecause our phones take us away
from being mindful, like yousaid that, um, it's kind of like
(05:38):
how our phones.
It's like if you have yourphone with you, what did you say
?
It's like having the generalpublic with you?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
you have the general public with you.
You, you have the generalpublic with you.
You have a constant distraction.
Here are dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Just ignore our dog in the background.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You have always have a distraction.
You can't be fully there andpresent with the person.
But that's also what havingcell phones teaches you.
It teaches you to not bepresent.
It teaches you to always havedistractions.
It's like such a.
It's a you know a tool, butit's also like a curse at the
same time, just the way itreprograms our brain.
(06:10):
So it's like weird.
How do you think of things totalk about when you don't have
your cell phone with you andyou've haven't been on date
nights in a long time and youhaven't sat down and had real
conversations with yoursignificant other?
Like what do you talk about?
Do you talk about your kid?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, exactly, it should be like date nights no
cell phone and we can't talkabout our kid.
Yeah, like rules of the datenight.
Remember when we were in Idon't know what trip we were on
and we were going to thebreakfast that morning and there
was like a family of four, twokids that were maybe like under
10.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And the parents were sitting there on their phones
and the kids are sitting thereon their tablets.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, Kids are sitting there at the town on
their tablets, headphones onlike feet, on table like Just
savage, like what is happeningin this world.
Like there's a family thatdoesn't know how to be together,
doesn't know how to communicate.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's like you're existing together, but you're
not communicating it's very sadyeah, anyways, that was kind of
like the first part of the datenight.
I just felt kind of like weird,almost like I didn't know how
to just be a without my cellphone, b without my kid and c
just like us together away.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah we're just not used to it after you know and I
think three and a half years,when you don't go on date nights
, you you just kind of coexistwith your significant other.
You're not there romanticallylike when you like.
When you start a relationship,it's all about.
You're talking endlessly andthen, as time goes on, you start
(07:40):
taking maybe the other personfor granted and you don't have
those conversations anymore anda kid comes in the mix and now
all the attention's on the kidand you almost forget about each
other and the love that youonce had.
It's like how do you bring thatback?
And I think when you can focus,put your focus on the other
(08:00):
person more.
You can really look at themlike I'm looking at you right
now, looking in your eyes, andyou just fall in love with them
again.
Well, I think maybe that's agood thing to talk about is, if
you don't know what to talkabout, talk about when you were
young.
Talk about like when, when youguys first met talk about the
feelings you had talk about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Even us doing the first podcast explaining our
story Exactly.
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's like memory lane , but all those good feelings
you had about the other personcome back.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, I love that.
And I think when you don't havethe date nights and you're not
aware that you are like that outof touch or out of sync or
disconnected, right Like becausewe had that experience, we
realized, oh my God, like whatthe heck?
And it's weird because we havesuch a solid foundation in our
relationship, like I mean 10years dating, 10 years married
(08:52):
before bringing a kid in.
Like we know people that havekids before they're married.
So, like, how does that factorinto?
Like there's just so much youguys.
And what happens when you havemultiple kids?
Oh my gosh, I know, because wehave so many friends that have
so many kids too.
I just think, at the end of theday, date nights are important
and when you have them, bepresent, put your phone away and
(09:12):
don't talk about your kids.
You talk about them enough.
So I guess at that we went tolike the most beautiful resort.
If you guys are on VancouverIsland, I highly recommend Villa
Irie.
Irie, I don't know how to sayit, villa Irie.
E-Y-R-I-E and Alpina is therestaurant.
(09:33):
Yeah, probably the best foodwe've ever ate.
We were basically licking ourplates.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, we definitely were licking our plates.
So good, and so after supper so, Brittany, I had brought some
mushrooms with us.
I had two grams of mushrooms,one for her, one for me, because
she had expressed that shewanted to try them at one point
(09:58):
and she wants to do it as like atherapeutic journey at some
point.
But I feel like you should doit.
Do a small dose first, Like Isaid in episode four, where you
kind of build a relationshipwith it, check your tolerances,
all that stuff.
So one gram is kind of where youwant to start and just see how
(10:20):
you feel.
So we had supper came back andshe knew I had them, but I
wasn't like I was letting herdecide.
She's like I want to take them.
You're like what?
Yeah, so why don't you tellthem why you felt you wanted to
take?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
them.
Well, I think I felt like I'vebeen sort of jealous of you, in
a way, of the experiences thatyou've had being on them.
Like I like working with energyhealers and people that kind of
tell me things.
But I feel like you go and dothese journeys and it's like
you're having these revelationsand stuff from just going inward
with yourself and I was like Iwant that but I'm scared of it
because I'm such a control freakand I also know that I've never
(10:56):
done any form of psilocybinbefore and so I don't know how
my body would react.
I've never done.
You've done, a couple microdoses You've done a couple micro
doses, micro doses, but like Ifeel like it doesn't count, no,
anyways.
And so I just thought, ifthere's any night to give this a
try it would be a night thatI'm not responsible for my son,
and these nights are very farand few between and I just
thought like I'll just give it atry.
(11:18):
And so, on a full stomach, wehad a chocolate protein shake
with the mushrooms in there, andI would say I started noticing
about half an hour later and Ijust felt like I just wanted to
lay down, like I didn't reallyknow what I was supposed to be
doing or feeling, but I justremember laying on that bed and
feeling like I was becoming onewith the bed, like I was so
(11:39):
comfortable.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You decided you wanted to.
We just wanted to lay down.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
but at first you felt like you're floating across the
room Right when we got up fromthe chairs we're sitting outside
watching the sunset and I waslike I think I want to lay down.
And when I stood up to go walkto the bed, I felt like my legs
were off the ground, like myarms felt heavy and kind of
weird.
But then my legs felt like theywere.
I felt like I floated to thebed.
It was so weird, yeah.
But then I fell into the bedand was like I don't want to
move, this is so comfortable andmade myself take my contacts
(12:06):
out.
My arms felt so weird.
I was like I can't even wash myface.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I don't even care and guys, this still.
We're still talking about datenights here too.
Yeah, this isn't just aseparate event.
Brittany is going to it's allconnected when we talk about the
(12:32):
importance of date nights andbernie's gonna tell you why
doing what we did with themushrooms was gonna come full
circle.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, it's gonna come full circle.
Stick with us, hang tightpeople, yeah.
So anyways, I just like took mycontacts out, laid in bed and
we were listening to.
Well, if you guys know brianhas the mushroom playlist, let's
go on a mushroom trip.
That was called playlist onspotify.
If you guys know, brian has themushroom playlist.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Let's go on a mushroom trip, is that what?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
it's called yeah Playlist on Spotify.
If you don't have it, you needto get it, even if it's just for
working in your office.
I have it playing all the timepretty much in our house.
It's such a good.
It's just such good and drivingaround with it it's so good.
But it obviously soundeddifferent when the.
(13:06):
It was like my brain justbecame so clear and I just was.
I'm still finding this hard toput into words.
One of the first feelings thatI remember having was I feel
like my nervous system isfinally having a break, like I'm
finally offline.
Yeah, and by that I mean withmy son and my control issues.
I feel like I've either beenwith him 24 seven or, if he's
(13:30):
sleeping, I have his monitorright beside my ear Like he's
always.
I'm never like fully.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And even when you're gone, you're always thinking and
worried about him and likeeverything Right.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, Like it's just, I have to learn and I don't
know where that all comes from.
I guess this is part of whatI'm figuring out, but I just I
remember just thinking like mynervous system is getting a
break.
My body had never felt sorelaxed.
And I also realized cause Ihave always like an underlying
level of pain in my body, justcause I have scoliosis.
My back is always sore a littlebit, even if it's not something
(14:05):
I really noticed.
But I remember thinking likethere's zero pain in my body,
like zero pain in my body.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was exactly the same with me.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, I mean, obviously you have done more
psilocybin than me, so I it wasaffecting me a lot more than you
, right?
But one thing I don't know whatorder this kind of went in, but
one thing I had this hugeepiphany and I was like you know
that book?
I ask everybody this and nobodyknows the book.
(14:34):
So maybe listen, if you'relistening to this, you don't
know the book either, but we allneed to read it.
It's called a return to love bymarianne williamson.
And I just thought to whenyou're born as a baby or you
think of like whether it's yourkid or someone else's baby that
you're holding.
They're just pure love.
They're just like love andlight.
And I feel like the older webecome and the more you know.
(14:57):
I don't know what the word is.
What's the word I'm looking for?
What's the word I'm looking for?
Oh, you get full of like sin,as you know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
You get corrupted, you get you're just exposed to
life, yeah, exposed toeverything dark in the world
you're, and just conditioning,just like regular life stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Like just you know, like you, just you just get
further away from like thatoriginal, kind of like love that
you were when you were born andI feel like you kind of return
to that love right before youdie.
Like I think about being with mygrandma in 2018, before she
passed, and I felt almost likethat same sense, almost as a
newborn Like that sounds soweird to say, but like it's just
(15:37):
that, that return to love,feeling like there's just pure
love and anybody that's had anear death experience and they
explain it.
It's like pure love.
There's no judgment, there's nothis, there's no that, and I
think we've talked about this onthe podcast and I just remember
thinking the book is calledReturn to Love and I have no
idea if this is right, but in mybrain it was very clear because
(15:57):
when you have psilocybin inyour body, it helps you like
return to that love place,whereas if you just keep on
living life and numbing yourselfwith alcohol and other drugs,
that, just like you know, we'retrying to do everything in our
life to like get away from thebad feelings that we have, the
negative feelings, the anxiety,the depression, all the things
(16:17):
that we face because of life andit's just getting us further
away from love.
And the older that we are, thefurther away from love we are
even more so if we're notfocused on returning to it.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And love can be like source, like where you come from
and where you go to.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I don't know, it's like a warm, hugging
embrace and everything justfeels good, yeah, I mean, I
always hear people explain thisbut I never have experienced.
It's like a thing you've got toexperience yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But it's not as it's.
Some people can say well that's, that's just escapism, you're
trying to escape the realitiesof the world.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's everything else.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, or are you just trying to up your vibe so you
can function better in the world?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Well, I had an energy session with my friend, julie,
who we will have on the podcast,and she said, after I did that
psilocybin journey with that onegram she's like I can tell like
you energetically have beenlike leveled up.
She could tell in my justenergy, which I thought was
pretty cool.
But I just remember thinkinglike this is why everybody needs
(17:25):
to have like do psilocybin,because it brings you closer to
love where it's like everythingelse takes you further away from
it.
And then you end up you knowlater in life and you're feeling
like life is purposeless and Imean look at rates of suicide
and all just kinds of thingsalcoholism.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
We have.
We had a friend who was tellingus about her parents and how
they sit there on their cellphones like for five hours in
the night and they'll play gamesand they don't talk to each
other and they really need adate night for sure.
But I remember thinking aboutthat while we were.
(18:03):
But I remember thinking aboutthat while we were laying in bed
that night and I was likecrying for them and how hurting
they must be in theirrelationship.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's sad to think about, but this is so many
people and I think so manypeople don't know that there is
something like this that couldhelp them, which is why I think
I get so annoyed that the stigmaaround mushrooms is like a drug
that is in that category.
Like this is a.
This is a pretty low dose.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's plant medicine you could get it.
I mean, we live on vancouverisland.
It's like this stuff's gonna bepopping out of the dirt here
right away.
Yeah, on its own but I thinktoo.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, and why are um pharmaceutical companies
trying to make syntheticpsilocybin and then profit off
of it?
You know it's like, oh darn,there's something that actually
grows out of the ground that canhelp you therapeutically.
I mean, you can get this.
I have a friend who did this ina therapist's office.
You know you can go to CostaRica or Bali or whatever and do
(19:00):
these journeys with plantmedicine.
And I think, like everybodyneeds to do that, whether you're
doing it on your own, becausebecause you've researched it and
you need to feel safe.
How to do that on your own orwith, like, someone who's like
in the house with you, like howwe have been doing it, or if you
go to Costa Rica or Bali and doit, I just think you've got to
figure out how to do it, becauseit returns you closer to love,
which is where we all need to bein a higher vibration state of
(19:22):
love.
Otherwise we're operating outof fear.
Why do I have such a like?
I'm so scared of letting go ofcontrol, like that's just.
That's all rooted in fear, andfear is like a hundred frequency
, hundred hertz frequency versuslove.
If you look at the map ofconsciousness is 500.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's an absolutely different level of vibration and
the higher the frequency we get, the more we operate in.
Like it's like energy, like ourenergy field gets bigger.
When you're operating on a lowfrequency, you feel more dense,
Everything feels heavy.
It's just like life sucking.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Maybe that's why I felt like, when the psilocybin
wore off was about four or fivehours later, my body just felt
heavy again.
You know, like it's like you'rekind of coming back to more of
the frequency that we're in juston earth, but I just I remember
my body feeling like heavier.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's like an energy upgrade.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, and it definitely felt like that Like,
and I can't stop thinking aboutthe things I was thinking about.
Felt like that like and I can'tstop thinking about the things
I was thinking about, and I'veheard people say you just, you
just think about thingsdifferently.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And once you think about things differently, you
can't unthink that no, and we'vesaid this before you once you
see something, you can't see it,but you're the way you approach
.
Like certain things, it's.
You can't do that in a, in anormal state no because you're.
It's connecting parts of yourbrain together that don't
(20:46):
normally connect, and you justhave these enlightened thoughts.
It's like your higher self isjust coming out.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You have access to it , so it's like more of your
brain is working.
It literally is Well, and Iguess that's why there's people
that are using this intherapist's office, and you know
that it helps with things likeanxiety, depression, alzheimer's
.
What else have you?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
researched.
It is a tool.
It's a tool that helps people.
So why is this classified as a?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
drug.
It literally makes me crazy.
Because, when I hear anybodycomplain, I just think like they
need psilocybin, they need thisto help them.
Go inward and deal with themLike go inward, not look for the
answer outside of you or numbit, but with other substances,
and get further from love.
I don't know if that is makingany sense, you guys, but this is
(21:36):
just like was part of my hugeepiphany.
Were you going to say something?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, just, about this whole thing.
So I'm sitting there, I, youknow, I had, I had the mushrooms
too, but and I was experiencingsome neat stuff and a lot of
feelings and we had some amazingconversations.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I feel like it was, oh my god, it was so great.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Some of the best conversations we've had in a in
a long time.
It was amazing I just felt soconnected to you and it was just
yeah, relationship wise, Ithink everyone needs to do this,
but Brittany was going througha lot of emotions.
She was crying, she waslaughing and I was just kind of
keeping reserved, like my, mythoughts.
(22:18):
For most part I was keepingreserved and I was just there
trying to support you and helpyou through the things that you
were feeling.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And I felt that I felt very supportive, I felt
very safe, I felt very comforted, like I felt like that was
definitely the place toexperience this for the first
time.
I would never and I have neverwell, I've never done any drugs
before, but I've never.
I wouldn't do this in like asetting and then like go out.
I know a lot of people do.
But I just love the therapeuticbenefit of using this because I
(22:49):
cannot believe.
I don't think I was thinking Iwas going to go on any type of
journey.
No.
But I I did, like I really did,and it was like my eyes just
wanted to have like water comingout of them.
Whether I was, like Brian said,laughing so hard that I was
physically crying, basicallylike I had to go wash my makeup
off because I had mascara downto my chin, I'm positive.
(23:09):
And then as soon as I was likedone laughing, then I was
bawling, but it was like I itfelt good to cry, I needed to
get it out.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
it was like it's an energy release.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yes, it was something in my body that needed to go
and it felt really good, like toget the tears out.
It seems so weird.
And I remember one point I wentto the bathroom and I looked at
myself in the mirror and Iremember, just like seeing my
reflection like it was me, butit like also wasn't me, and I
got these vibes of like, kind oflike a lion, like something
(23:40):
about me reminded me of a lion.
I don't know if it's becauseI'm a Leo, I don't know why I
had that vision Power and I justremember saying in my head
that's not me.
When I look at myself, that'snot really what I see.
And it was like this voice saidI've always been here, you just
don't always see me, don'talways see me.
(24:09):
And it was this weird like um,almost reminder of this, like
inner power that I have that Ijust forget about, or something
I don't know.
It's kind of a profound littlemoment.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, if you understand anything about energy
, you know, maybe it was your,your higher self, talking to you
as an energy being.
We don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's so cool to think of I also remember thinking,
just like when I think aboutlife in general, and I didn't
even know if I wanted to sharethis because I feel like this is
where I'm going to sound like acrazy person, whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I already do.
You're not wrong, though, whenyou tell.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay, I feel like the way I look at life is just like
it's one big stupid game thatwe're forced to be in.
We're just like playing thisgame of life and like the
currency is, you know it's moneylike you, like you don't want
to make everything about money,but it's like everything
everything is about money.
You can't live somewhere.
(25:01):
We're going holiday or do thisor do that.
Yeah, money's made up.
It's not even real it's energy.
It's a completely fake thing andit's like we're literally I
look at us like from uh, if youcan zoom way, way, way, way, way
, way out, looking at people onearth, just like playing this
dumb game, like we've inventedtime, we've invented money,
we've invented rules, we'veinvented all of this dumb stuff
that we operate in.
And then you had sent me thatreel.
(25:21):
That was a picture of thegalaxy and there's a little
speck in this galaxy and it waspoint.
The arrow was pointing at itand it said and here you are,
living in fear and paying taxes.
Yeah, and I could not get thatout of my head.
But when we did, like thatjourney together, I was like
this game, this life is so dumb.
Like this is not that life isdumb, but like it just seems
(25:46):
like a game.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, where it's like forces everyone to be stressed
about everything all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
It takes us away from love.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.
So when you're on mushrooms andit becomes clear, it's like
you're returning to love again.
Everything in this game is adistraction that keeps literally
keeps our vibration down.
I mean distracts you fromwhat's important which is
connecting connecting you acrossthe table from you putting your
phone down, talking with yourkids being with the earth,
(26:17):
experiencing joy, love.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I know it's.
If we are here to help raisethe vibration of the planet,
these are very small ways thatwe can do that.
Yeah, like I don't know, and sothat was weird.
And also a weird thing, kind oflike an aftershock of this was
I've always had a huge fear ofdeath and dying, and I no longer
fear death because I just feellike this sounds really bad.
(26:40):
But I feel like, well good, I'mout of this stupid game.
Not that I want to be like Istill want to live till 107, but
I just feel like now that Iknow this is kind of this weird
game, this life, like I don'twant to.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's a different perspective.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, that's maybe the only way to say it.
It's a different perspectiveand I also had this really deep
and talk about us feeling reallyconnected.
I felt like it was like a soulconnection, like it was like I
want one point.
I started crying and you werelike what's like?
Are you okay?
And I'm like, yeah, I just Ifeel like I, I had our souls.
(27:11):
If you believe in past lives,which obviously we do, um, we've
been together in many otherpast lives.
We've been told this by manypeople.
So when that happens and soulsreincarnate together, it's like
usually in different capacities,like we can be mother, daughter
, brother, sister, whatevercapacity we don't know.
And I feel like my soul knows,but I don't know, like my mind
(27:31):
doesn't know in this life, and Ifeel like when we were laying
there, I just it was like yoursoul was like being entwined and
wrapped up with my soul and Ijust felt like it felt familiar
and I feel like then I got sadfor myself because I didn't have
that in my life until I was 15when I met you and it's like
(27:51):
maybe in other lives I had youfrom when I was born, that soul
connection and maybe that's alsowhy our connection was so
indescribably strong when we metwhen I was 15, you were 17
because it was like our soulsknew, like remember, when we had
astrology done by Gary and hesaid you guys are like magnets
to each other.
He's like it would have beenhard for you guys to not find
(28:13):
each other in this lifetime.
And I feel like I was feelingthat and I just was like almost.
I was almost feeling sad for myyounger self that I didn't have
you in my life.
It was I don't know, it was aweird thing sad for my younger
self that I didn't have you inmy life.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It was I don't know, it was a weird thing.
Yeah, that was a really neat,really neat thing and like this
isn't even like a huge doseeither.
This was, it was so weird.
I'm kind of scared.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I'm going to take more, but now I'm excited to do
it, cause now I'm like, if thatwas a glimpse into it, then give
me more.
Like I want to go deeper andfurther and like see, set more
expectations.
I had zero expectations.
I just thought this would be mybody feeling like what
psilocybin was like in my body.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
There was a lot of realizations you had about other
things in your life too.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And I was funny.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And you were a freaking comedian.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
It was great At one point I was like I'm pretty sure
I could write the next comedyact and be like the next Kevin
Hart.
Like what am I doing?
I'm in the wrong profession.
I'm actually a comedian.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was hilarious, oh, but actually a comedian.
It was hilarious, oh, but yeah,it was neat that when our souls
, when we, you know, you feltour souls together like there
wasn't it wasn't a sexual thingat all, not at all.
It was just like a, a lovingconnection intense connection.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It just felt and it felt so good that it was just
like emotional for me.
Yeah, and I also realized thatwhen I was young I kind of early
on put this like mask ofmasculinity on.
That's another story foranother podcast like my
upbringing, but my mom wasn'treally present in my life and
then when she was two, when Iwas two, she was then out of my
(29:36):
life and I feel like my soulI've been told this that one
time I was well, I'll just tellthe story I was in my crib and I
used to get left alone in thecrib, my dad was working, my mom
would leave and go to the bar,and so I mean, obviously I don't
remember that happening, but mysoul does, my muscle memory
(29:58):
does, my like that trauma is inmy body.
But I had a Reiki session, avery powerful one, a year ago it
was last August and she saidthat she went right to my crib
when I was little, I was likeless than one and I had called
in some other like earth, likeangel, for guidance and help,
which is so crazy.
And she said you decided rightthen and there that you were
(30:19):
going to live a different life.
And I feel like I also, at thatpoint point, without knowing it,
put on this mask of masculinitywhere I had to, at some level,
take care of myself, and Ialways had this responsibility
that no one put on me.
I literally put it on myself,and during this experience, I
felt like I just want to take itoff.
(30:40):
I want to be held, I want to besupported.
I don't want this anymore, andmaybe that's where all this
control has come.
I mean, you can tell me, eventalking this through, like I'm
still figuring this out, yeah,but like what crazy insights.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, there were so many crazy insights and those
are the ones that I can reallythink of.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
But that kind of brought me to we were joking how
I was like we could literallyhelp people with like that have
marriage troubles Just like givethem a gram of mushrooms, a
chocolate protein shake and golay on that bed and play this.
You know music yeah and just bejust surrender and thank me
later and it was free, like wedo, lifetimes and decades and
(31:26):
thousands of dollars of liketalk therapy and like where does
that get people?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
well, I mean, it helps yeah, like it's insane
therapy when you do it on yourown and it's insane therapy when
you you do it as a couple andyou go through these things and
talk to each other and, yeah, itwas a amazing night.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I definitely feel more connected to you again than
I did before I remember yousaid, said to me you're like I
feel like I love you even morethan I already did, and it was
just like it was.
It was such a great night,honestly.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, walls come down .
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I feel like we've never talked that much.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
No, it was, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
So anyways, I highly recommend.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's like yeah, there's nothing to talk about.
Well, when you have mushroomsin your system, your brain opens
up insights.
You're getting all theseinsights.
Well, there's all your contentto talk about.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, basically it was just crazy, and so obviously
then we've told some friendsabout this and I find the
hesitations are a little bitlike, because I'm just like I
want all my friends to do this,I want you to experience this
because it is like therapy.
It is literally like therapy,and I will tell you that because
(32:40):
I was so tired the next day,not from lack of sleep, just
like literally doing the work.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, your brain was just doing so much work.
You're mentally exhausted.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I was mentally exhausted.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You don't feel like there's no hangover.
No none, it's not like that atall.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I was just tired from like it was like I had a big
personal development coursebecause I've been equally tired
from doing those types of thingsin the past.
But I find some people arehesitant to do to use psilocybin
therapeutically, like we are,because either they've done it
in a party setting and had somebad trips, as you've heard
people say.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, because you're exposing yourself to all the
energy You're it's.
That's just a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Again, go back to episode, whatever it is where
you explain how to do episodefour.
And then some people on theflip side are like me, where
they've never done a drug andthey consider this a drug and
they will never do it becausethey don't do drugs.
That was a huge thing for me toovercome.
When I look at it as plantmedicine and as a way to like
almost give myself this therapy,then it makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, like so we're not taking this and walking
around in the world.
Yeah, no, no, you, you do it ina safe place and it's a whole
other thing because you're whenyou're on psilocybin, you feel
like vulnerable, right, so it'dbe scary when everything's being
bombarded at you.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Part of why, also, you wanted to do your journey on
your own and did all thatresearch that you've taught on
this podcast already in episodefour, because even when you do
it in a setting like, say, ifyou went to Costa Rica or you
went to Bali or something,there's still other energies of
people around you.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
And some people.
That's fine, Like it's greatfor some people.
For me, I know I am insanelysensitive to other people's
energies.
Well, you're a reflector andjust even in the street I am, I
can sense it's weird.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Human design.
We'll get to that very soonwith our friend Peg, because
this makes sense when you knowBrian, but what do you say to
that Brian?
When people are like those aretheir hesitations or fears?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I mean, like in normal life, we want to control
everything.
We want to control our spouse,we want to control our kids, we
want to control the traffic infront of us.
We want to control everythingall the time.
And people are.
You know, you're alwaysbitching about all no-transcript
(35:22):
, you're getting distracted andyou're going to do this and
you're going to do that Likeit's so.
You don't.
It's just controls an illusion,right?
So when we can feel like, putit this way, the most amazing
experiences you've ever had inyour life were you open or were
you closed?
So think of when you fall inlove, you're open.
(35:43):
When you decide to have a kid,you're open.
Everything that's good, that'sever happened to you.
An experience when you know, goto nature, go on a trip, you're
open to the experience.
That's so true.
It feels light, right.
When you're closed off andyou're like, oh, I, I can't, I
don't want to do that.
I want to give a control.
(36:03):
Like everything that feelsheavy, like strict, open feels
light close close, feels heavybecause it's restriction.
It's like resistance.
It's's like when you look at,you know, think of life as like,
or even a relationship as alike a stream, and it's just
flowing.
The energy is flowing and youput a rock in the water.
(36:25):
Now you got resistance.
That's like you being closed.
So when you understand what amushroom trip is, it's like
accessing your subconscious,your higher self.
Right.
Why would you not want like you?
You let everything elsedistract you and take your vibe
(36:45):
down with everything in theworld and the mushrooms are
going to up-level you.
They're going to.
But the thing is when peopleget scared.
Some people get scared becausethey might see things they don't
want to see, or they might havea realization that I've been
married to the wrong person.
I've been.
You know it can be scary.
I've been doing, I've been inthe wrong career for years,
(37:08):
because your subconscious trulyknows the answers of what you
really want and it'll will bringit out.
So that's another hesitationthat makes sense.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Do this, but because we avoid things that we don't
want to yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
But your subconscious knows deep down.
You know what you really want,your you truly want, your soul
truly wants, and the mushroomswill will help bring that out
and that can be scary.
But to experience this you haveto give up control, you have to
be open and you have tosurrender.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That can be hard for people, especially people that
have been closed off all theirlife on everything so to people
that think, okay, so we callthis plant medicine, some people
would say, well, weed is aplant.
So like, what's the difference?
Because, like, I'll never doweed.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
No, there's major differences in the two.
So weed well, first of all,marijuana, marijuana cannabis.
I'm not an expert on this.
I'm going to explain this thebest I can, but I've been around
marijuana my whole life, sinceI was a little kid.
(38:23):
I'll tell you the story here ina minute, but so it can enter
your body in about 30 secondsand stays in your tissue for
about three months.
So, siphon, take it, you pee itout, it's gone, it's done right
.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Marijuana stores in your fat cells.
So smoking changes your DNA.
There's five areas in your DNAI can't remember the exact, I
forgot to look it up but there'sfive things in your DNA.
I can't remember the exact, Iforgot to look look it up but
there's five things in your DNAthat, um, smoking changes.
Marijuana changes four of thosefive.
(38:59):
So it's almost as bad with yourDNA manipulation.
It's called a methylation.
This has to do with, like,aging and a bunch of different
DNA triggers.
That, uh, that happens when you, when you smoke.
Um, so there's that.
And then you got you'reinhaling smoke in your lungs.
That on what planet is that agood thing?
Right, right, well, there'sedibles.
(39:21):
You can do edibles.
Obviously you're not inhalingsmoke, but when you're inhaling
anything in your lungs, like I'mvery athletic, I don't want
anything in my lungs.
Yeah, I want to use them toinhale oxygen, to help me
breathe, to live a long lifewith a long life.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I don't want to clog up my lungs, yeah, I want to use
them to inhale oxygen, to helpme breathe, to live a long life,
long life I don't want to clogup my lungs with anything, uh,
so there's that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Especially if you're vaping, vaping is just is it
even worse?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
oh yeah, vaping is even worse but people do it
because they think it's betteryeah, it's more convenient,
right, um?
Speaker 2 (39:50):
so I I did a bit of research and watched some more
andrew huberman stuff.
Uh, he's got some great stuffon there about, uh, how
marijuana affects your brain.
Now this one I've seenfirsthand.
Um, it increases paranoia insome people, um, and some people
not, like like mildly, likeintensely, and I've seen this
(40:11):
because my dad he becameinsanely paranoid and he was
like he smoked weed.
You know, before I was, I wasborn, he was, yeah, it wasn't
cool.
That's why I've been around itso long, because my dad was
basically like drug dealer atone point in my life and he got
insanely paranoid, anxiety, likeit was not cool, like not cool
(40:36):
at all.
He'd be like yelling at peopleat Walmart, like someone drive
by the house or walk by thehouse, and he'd be like
screaming at them, like he wasso paranoid.
But the thing is it escalates.
So when you smoke the weed yourparanoia comes down, but when
you get off it it levels up andthen you have to keep smoking
more for it to come down moreand it just keeps getting higher
(40:56):
and higher and higher and yourparanoia just gets off the
charts.
And I've seen that.
I remember watching a episodeof um nature of things with
david suzuki remember him backin the day.
And there's a gene that somepeople have that when you smoke
marijuana it triggers this geneand paranoia starts interesting
and you don't know if it's goingto be you or not.
(41:17):
So you're taking a chance, right?
So that's why I don't smoke it.
Well, I don't like the feelingof it, but I don't smoke it
because my dad had it.
What if I become paranoid?
Yeah right, um.
So it has insane effects onshort-term memory and even
long-term memory.
So think about like it lowersyour, your neuron function.
(41:38):
So think about stoners,potheads, burnouts, like we got
these people that you can tellthey've been smoking weed their
whole life.
You're like oh yeah, bro,they're just, they're burnt out,
they don't think normallyanymore because they smoke so
much weed.
Like that's brain damage yeah,basically and you don't function
(42:00):
well when you have that kind ofyou know thing going on in your
head.
Yeah, you have memory damage.
You're not going to thinknormally, um, when you smoke and
you do mushrooms not the sametime but there's, there's some
similarities and and um how yourbody can respond to it.
But the thing with weed is it'ssomething that you do like all
(42:22):
the time.
Someone will smoke weed everysingle day and they'll get this
feeling right and it people like.
People call it getting high,but it's really bringing down
your vibe because you're at thelower brain function.
Yeah, you're not thinking asmuch, you're zoning out.
It's really bringing down yourvibe because you're at the lower
brain function.
You're not thinking as much,you're zoning out.
It's-.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
You're numbing.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
It's numbing.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
You're getting further away from love.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, you're getting further away from love, and then
you'll get the munchies after.
Yeah, but when you do mushrooms, it's not something you do
every day.
You do it you know once a month, once every six months.
You know once a month, onceevery six months.
But when you take mushrooms,your brain is talking to itself
better.
You know, you have theneuroplasticity.
You're making new pathways.
It's not changing yourpersonality, it's upregulating
(43:04):
your, your thought process right.
It's totally different things,but it doesn't.
It doesn't change you as aperson, but you can.
You can abuse mushrooms too,and you and you can have some.
You know, if you did it overand over and over and over and
over and over, back to back toback, you you can end up with
psychological things.
And if you take mushrooms andyou had previous like psycho
(43:27):
things happening or a psychopsychological diagnosis, it can
bring that out more.
So don't take them if if youhave some kind of you know
mental disorder already.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
But all right, I feel like I'm going on and on and on
here, but the weed mushroomsare two totally different things
yeah, that's good, because Ijust feel like when someone had
asked me, um well, what's thedifference if, like, mushrooms
are a plant and that's plantmedicine?
Like, isn't weed a plant andit's like right?
Speaker 2 (43:51):
but weed is like bioengineered basically.
You got uh, people geneticallymodifying it.
It's grown in fake rooms withartificial light, with insane
amounts of fertilizer.
It's not weed that's grown inthe garden in jamaica, right?
(44:11):
Two totally different things,right?
so it's not plant medicineanymore, it's, it's manufactured
as a drug probably what thepharmaceutical industry is
trying to do psilocybin yeah,like weed has I think like 90
thc now, where back in the dayit had like 10 when it was just
grown in a field in the sun.
And mushrooms are grown just indirt and they grow from
(44:36):
decomposing Just from the dirt.
There's no chemicals.
You can't hack that.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, well, that was a big topic.
I didn't know we had this muchto say.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So there you go, date nights.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I feel, yeah, you just take some mushrooms, go lay
in a room and you'll have thebest date night of your life.
We kept the PG version for you.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
You had to say that You're going to cut that out.
No.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I'm not going to cut that out.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Anyways, I hope that that was helpful for some of you
guys, and now I'm feeling moreexcited to do my actual journey
and we'll see what happens withthat because you'll be the first
that I'll tell what happened inthat experience.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, we'd love to hear from you guys and just how
you know some recent date nightsyou've been on.
What are some things thatyou've done together that have
helped you guys connect withyour significant other?
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, let's keep raising the vibration, friends,
right on, Stay awesome guys.
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