What sparks the creative journey of a young artist? How can we as parents better nurture our kids with "non-traditional paths/ interests? Meet Seth Celdrán, our exceptionally talented producer and mixer, who has been an indispensable part of our podcast. At just 20, Seth's musical journey has been extraordinary, shaped by a supportive family and a profound intuition that allows him to follow his heart. Now residing in Austin, Texas, Seth's story unfolds as he shares his path from a budding interest in drawing and costume-making to music production and beyond. Find out how Seth's creativity blossomed in unexpected ways during the COVID pandemic, offering a fresh perspective on turning downtime into opportunity.
He shares valuable insights on using mindfulness as a tool to maintain focus and well-being, especially for neurodivergent individuals. Seth's story of self-discovery emphasizes the importance of nurturing a healthy relationship with oneself. Through meditation and reflection, Seth reveals how these practices have contributed to his personal and professional growth. As parents listening to him, we are both beyond proud of his achievements and wish we'd been as insightful, like yesterday, lol!!! Cheers to Seth and his generation of shapers and dream chasers! Find Seth on Instagram and on all music platforms!!! https://linktr.ee/sethceldran
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
welcome to lilas.
We're back after a little bitof a break.
I feel like I don't know uh, sowelcome back where.
Uh, we've got a special guestthis week.
I'm pretty excited about this.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
We have the most special guests ever, because
we've been doing this podcastfour seasons now.
We mentioned his name all thetime on here, probably not as
much as we should.
He is the mastermind, he is thegenius.
He has helped me out since thiswhole thing ever became an idea
and he's gifted in every singleway.
It's been a true pleasure andhonor of my life to have watched
(00:52):
you grow up.
I know here come the tears.
I know, but it is Seth.
Seth Seldron, our producer, ourmixer, our main guy, is on the
podcast today.
So this is a broad generationpodcast.
We usually say it's for youknow.
If you know what LILAS standsfor, this podcast is for you,
(01:14):
Not today.
This is for every single personout there, because we are
hitting some fun, cool topicsand we're just honored to have
you here for it.
So how's that, Jen?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Damn, that is a lot to live up to.
What's up Lylas listeners?
How are we doing today?
I'm so excited to be here.
I have been staring at thesebeautiful ladies' faces,
listening to their voices, forover a year now, probably Almost
two.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh wow, you make us sound cool and I think you
deliver on that.
Every time I listen to anepisode I'm like wow, this
sounds legit.
It sounds like we know whatwe're doing.
And it's really Seth knows whathe's doing.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And he makes us look good.
I think it really is a groupeffort.
I mean, good editing goes along way, but also, like you
guys have improved so much sincethe first episode, like you're
locked in and you have a flowand you know you know what you
guys are doing now, which isit's, that's also been cool to
watch.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh, that's sweet.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Did you listen to podcasts before you started
editing a podcast?
Um, yeah, probably a little bitOkay, but I mean, compared to,
like, music production, editinga podcast is like nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I mean there's it's two voices.
You know, with a song there's,you might have 10 voices plus a
million instruments, multiplemicrophones on an instrument,
all sorts of things that youhave to edit and change about it
.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So Well, but just in hearing you even talk about this
, your expertise in music andproduction and all of this, I
think, comes clear to everyone.
But the fact is is you're 20years old, you're getting ready,
turn 21 here in a few days andI hope everybody follows you on
Instagram and picks up yourmusic on I think it's blast on
all you know music platforms.
(03:23):
But how did you even like getinto this?
Because I remember you alwaysbeing very artsy and very
musically inclined.
So can you just tell theviewers just a little bit, like
give them a snapshot is likeSeth as a kid and how you got to
this space where now you'reliving halfway across the
country, moved out there with noone except Martha, your sweet
dog, and you've been a no-godlover and you just made it.
(03:49):
So give us a little bit of asnapshot, because we love you,
we know you, but we want ourLylas listeners to know your
story too.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, I think made it is a bold word choice.
But yeah, grew up in a littlesmall town, west Virginia.
I grew up in Lesage, so it wasa town of about like 800 people,
I think, and I think that washonestly a really good thing.
I think I felt a little bitlonely as a kid but also we're
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home so much and kind of out inthe country and there's not
really that many kids around inyour neighborhood.
So I'm just in a room doingpretty much exactly what I do in
here, but just, you know, as akid.
But my grandpa played guitarand he was a really big
inspiration for me, kind of oneof the main drivers that I was
like, oh that's cool, I likewhatever's happening there, and
(04:49):
there was always just a lot ofmusic playing around my house
and everything.
And I think we'll touch on thisa little bit later.
But I think I'm also just reallylucky to grow up with parents
that were just super dupersupportive from the get go.
Like any little artistic hobbyor weird whatever the hell that
I wanted to try when I was a kid, they were just like yep, well,
what do you need?
Let's make it happen.
So I originally was super,super into drawing and physical
art and that sort of thing.
(05:09):
And then I also always reallyloved costumes and playing,
dress up and that sort of thingand I got into kind of making
props for videos and movies.
And that got me really intospecial effects, makeup, so like
making up zombies and like cutsand burns and that that whole
sort of thing.
And then that got me more intolike actually filming it.
(05:31):
And I think I'm also reallylucky to grow up in the age of
like YouTube and technology,where you know those things are
so available to you.
I had an iPod touch as a kidthat had a camera on it.
Then I would just make videosthere.
My dad had a computer that hadiMovie.
I would just pop them in thereand just mess around with stuff
and that kind of became a reallove for me and honestly, that's
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what I thought I was going todo with my life.
I really wanted to do VFX andbehind-the-scenes movie stuff,
behind-the-scenes movie stuff.
And then I started guitarlessons around seven or eight
years old and really loved thatand kept up with that all
through 18 when I moved out fromWest Virginia and came to
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Austin Texas, I'd say once I gotaround to middle school.
That's when things reallysolidified, like, okay, I love
music, this is what I want to do.
So I joined orchestra, startedplaying cello, then picked up
drums and then bass and thenpiano.
I started really diving deepinto like getting good at those
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things.
And around that time I was alsogetting into live looping, like
when I don't know if you'veever seen those guys a lot of
times sitting at a restaurant orsomething.
But they'll have a pedal on theground and maybe a guitar and
they'll do like a little drumthing stop, stop the pedal, and
then that drum loops over andover.
They'll put chords.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I feel like ederan does this yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Perfect example.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So I got really into doing that.
What a genius.
I love Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran is cool.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I didn't used to love him so much and I watched that
documentary they have on Disney+.
Got a lot of respect for himafter that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
A lot Once you understand what his music is
about it just it added a wholenother layer for me.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, he's an incredibly hard worker.
But I got really into livelooping that sort of thing and
that kind of got me interestedin like filling out a sonic
space and layering instrumentsand making things work together.
So that kind of got me intomusic production and songwriting
.
That all kind of just swelledup together.
And then in my sophomore yearof high school I finally had
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some songs and some recordingsthat I was happy with and so I
put those out together and umjust kept pursuing that
throughout high school whilestill maintaining the
videography stuff for work.
So I was shooting a lot of likeweddings, real estate,
commercials, social mediacontent, that sort of thing and
I saved up money doing that.
(08:08):
And then I moved to Austin whenI was 18.
Like pretty much as soon as Igot out of high school I was
like I'm ready to go.
Why Austin?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
How did you pick Austin Texas?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, first off, if you've never been, it's an
amazing city.
A lot of people I mean it'sdefinitely like growing and
becoming a much more major city,I think.
But when I told a lot of peopleI was going to Austin, they're
like Texas.
Why are you going to Texas?
But it's such a beautiful,creative, vibrant city where I
mean you can just really likeyou can feel the happiness of
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other people, like people arehappy to be here.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Especially music lovers, like it's got a music
scene like no other.
I mean, I'm sure Nashville hassomething similar, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, so there is a great music scene here, great
art scene, a lot of majorfestival type things you have
South by Southwest ACL.
There's a great music scene, butit's also growing in a lot of
ways and that's exciting to me.
I want to be a part of that, asopposed to going to somewhere
like Nashville or LA or New York, where just huge, major, major
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industry, insane competition, II like the idea of coming here
and like growing with the scene.
I feel like I just said so much.
That's a podcast, though, Iguess that's the point that's so
interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Just the whole like how you sort of have found your
way, but you sound like a supermotivated person in general,
like you were doing shit in highschool.
I definitely wasn't doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, I mean it was because I I mean I can't stress
to you how much I fucking hatedschool, like, like I was just
just dying to get out of thereevery single day and just go
home and do this because I justknew that was what I love doing
and I hated doing what otherpeople were telling me to be
(10:00):
doing.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It was not your happy place at all.
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
God, I liked.
I started to like it the moreand more that we started to get
like electives and like classesthat you can choose, that you
kind of enjoy.
But, oh my God, I hated school,not for like being bullied or
anything like that, like I justjust did not, it wasn't too hard
or anything like that, it justwasn't your cup of tea.
Yeah, no, I mean, I made goodgrades, but I was just like it
(10:28):
just felt like let's get thisover with.
That's how it felt for metragic and awful thing.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We can all have our own opinions about it, but
that's, I think, whenever youguys were really able to kind of
like bloom and have a lot morefreedom with your creativity or
with your process and you know,even with Cameron and you know
he was able to golf more.
So it was like all of a suddenyou guys that have these real
eclectic like interest andthings like that that were time
consuming, that you didn't get alot of opportunity to kind of
dive into that hit, and now youhave like space and opportunity
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to kind of do it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, 100 percent, absolutely.
That's why I said I put myfirst two songs out sophomore
year, because that was whenCOVID hit and I had time to just
sit down with it every singleday and our school made a rule
that your grades couldn't gobelow whatever they were
whenever school let out.
I had like A's and B's so I'mlike, okay, well, I'm gonna not
do shit and just do music and um, so, yeah, I just got to pretty
(11:35):
much stay home and do that allthe time and I think, yeah, it
was tragic, but also that was areally really.
I don't think bloomful is aword, but I'm going to say a
bloomful time for me.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, I was going to say for some people like Seth,
he was like yes, I don't have togo to school, it was not so
tragic.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, you, I think, produced a music video for us,
and then you guys did a movietoo.
You produced an entire, youwrote a script and kind of
pieced together songs for anentire movie that you guys put
out.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, we sure did For Jeff, your husband's band,
whose music I genuinely love.
I mean, I had fun working onthose projects because the music
was actually like fun to listento.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, that was really really cool.
So yeah, we kept you.
Seth's been busy with us for abit.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yes, I have.
Hopefully it continues that way.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I would say Sarah can always come up with a project.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You do, you create things all the time.
I love it Well.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm glad it works out for everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you guys consider yourselves creative people, do
you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
guys consider yourselves creative people.
I think I'm creative, but I'mnot at all like musically
inclined.
You know, like I can't sing, Ican harmonize, or I can get on a
stage and I'll dance or I'll bevery theatrical.
But I mean, I've got a pianobehind me and it's Jeff's and
Rachel's Cameron also plays it,but no, no, no music here.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm not asking about music.
I mean I think creative, yeah,creativity is any, any creative
solution that you come up withto some problem.
I think that's creativity,that's true.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's true, it's great.
What about you, jen?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Am I a creative person?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, I have creative thoughts.
It's my execution that gets mein trouble.
So, like I might be able tothink of something really
creative, I'm just never goingto follow through and actually
complete it.
Uh, or very little like itneeds a lot.
I need a lot of structure andsupports along the way.
I'm just a naturalprocrastinator, so has it?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
has it always been that way or do you feel like
that's probably also slowed down, because, I mean, you have kids
and a bajillionresponsibilities?
Always been that way?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, I wish I could say it was just having children,
but as long as I can remember,I've been this way and it's like
it's a constant.
You know, and I often say likeI'm the idea man and then my
husband makes it happen.
He actually makes like theseideas come to fruition, because
otherwise they would just livein my head, especially Halloween
costumes like things like that.
(14:13):
Like I can think of stuff allday, but I'm never going to like
put in the effort nine timesout of ten.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's still creativity.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I would say that's definitely still creativity,
though.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, like I'm just not good at like crafting, like
if I'm not good at it, I'm notinterested in it.
I'm very typical.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Add profile in that way.
I think we all are right.
I took my adderall this morning.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's why I'm able to focus lock in and have a
conversation yeah, exactly, getsome stuff done.
But even today, like I put myworkout off until we, so I had
exactly 30 minutes before we hadto get on here to record Like I
will I thrive under pressure iswhat I always say, but like
I'll wait until the very lastminute.
So I'm so impressed when I hearabout a 20 year old, almost 21
(15:01):
year old, that's like got hisshit together and like does all
of these things and keeps themall.
You know that's a lot to manage,right, you're trying to manage
a lot as a young adult andfigure out like who you are in
the midst of all of that andwhen you're not.
Like, at least for me, schoolgave me like a structure, as you
can tell, like I need astructure, and like a plan and a
(15:23):
path to follow, and so if I wasjust like making it up, I would
, I would not be successful inany realm.
Like you know what I mean.
Like that takes a certain typeof person too that can say, ok,
I'm going to do thingsdifferently, but I still have to
make all this work somehow.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I mean I've just always loved you said
making things up.
I've just always loved makingshit up and just making your own
world out of you know,whatever's around you, and
that's kind of the approach Itry to have with anything I make
.
So, you know, with the videostuff, it's not like I have
crazy, crazy equipment.
I mean I have some good stuff,but I also am very much about
just like making the bestpossible thing that you can with
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whatever's around you.
With the music stuff.
I mean, obviously it looks likea lot and it is a lot, but at
the end of the day, like thesetup is not that crazy.
I love trying to push thelimits with whatever's available
to you.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Well, how do you do this, though, seth?
I guess because I, I mean, I'mjust sitting here like how, like
, really, how do you manage,like, how do you get into your
your own kind of flow state withthis open like canvas that you
have?
And then the other side of thisis also like scheduling gigs,
you know, putting your name out,like there's also a very.
(16:44):
It goes from being veryabstract, almost mechanical, in
a way that you have to balanceboth of these worlds in order to
kind of put yourself out there.
So how are you able to do thisso well, tell us.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Damn, I don't know.
I mean that definitely is adifficult thing, like trying to
balance that right side of yourbrain that has to, like, make
shit happen and then that freeflow side of your brain that
just wants to da, da, da andmake stuff.
You know, um, I don't know.
I mean, with the video stuff, Ihave people like you, a couple
(17:19):
clients, on retainer, so it'snice to have those ongoing
projects that I have a setamount of things that I need to
make for them per month, andthen I also just I mean I really
, really, really and this hasbeen a struggle for me feeling
like I'm like lazy, or alsomaybe comparing myself to people
that do have regular nine tofive jobs where they're going to
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a place that maybe they don'tnecessarily want to be at.
And truth is, I do get to be athome.
I do get to work from home alot of the time, editing this
stuff and then working on musicstuff.
So I think that definitelyhelps and I try to prioritize
free time and time to enjoyyourself and I think, just in
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general, as a person, I havealways prioritized doing things
that fulfill you, things thatyou actually want to do.
That's something that you talkabout a lot like obligation.
If it feels like you should doit, you probably shouldn't do it
and I mean I definitely abideby that.
I think I just try toprioritize like happiness and
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getting fulfillment out of likeeverything, things that you
actually love.
I try to prioritize like arelationship with myself.
I do a lot of meditation andjournaling and research on
trying to investigate what I'mfeeling and and figure those
things out.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So yeah, You're going to be light years ahead of us,
seth, to start that at your age.
What I wouldn't give to go backin time and know.
You know the profound impactthat that would have on my life
if I would have started that 20years earlier.
Not to say that like I wouldn'thave made mistakes, but just
like how much more supportive Icould have been to myself you
(19:06):
know, yeah, I feel like, likeyou said, it's changed my
relationship with myself.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's changed my relationship with other people
because I'm able to be therewith them more.
It's changed my relationshipwith music, with work.
I mean, it really is like,especially for neurodivergent
brains like ours, it really islike a natural centering thing.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Absolutely.
I love that.
I love that you take that soseriously, as like a kid because
you are, you know, a young guy,a young adult Excuse me, you're
not a kid, but you're a youngadult but also as a male, like
how often do we hear malestalking about making meditation
a priority for themselves?
(19:53):
I've been begging my husband tomake it a priority.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So what does that look like for you?
Like, what is your like?
Do you have a routine that yougo by with it, or do you just
kind of do it whenever you feellike you need that type of like
centering moment?
Is it like Jen?
Does it usually like once oneof like her daily five first
kind of things that she kind ofwakes up and does like, how does
that look for you?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
well, I just have a like a guided app that I use.
I use open.
I don't know what you guys use.
Um, I use that and I try to doit in the morning before I start
like a lot of work and stuff.
Sometimes if I like I'm justtoo excited about a project and
just want to get up and likestart working.
I lot of work and stuff.
Sometimes, if I like I'm justtoo excited about a project and
just want to get up and likestart working, I'll do that, and
then it ends up getting pushedoff till a lot later in the day.
But I generally try to startthe day with it because I feel
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like it's a good tone setter forthe rest of the day.
And if I start in the evening,then I'm thinking about all the
things I did that day.
So try to do it first, ishthing in the morning, um, and
then sometimes I'll do onemiddle of the day, or if I'm
headed to a function orsomething, I'm feeling a little
(21:00):
anxious, I might pull over for asecond and do just like a five
minute breathing thing and thencome in cool as a cucumber, uh,
and then, or I'll, I'll do someat night too.
It helps me fall asleep.
I've been trying to replacescrolling and stuff like that
before bed with just breathing.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He's so wise, he's so wise.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
What are we doing?
Giving advice?
We should be listening to you,seth.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh geez.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
We need you.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Hey, I'll join every week.
I'm not kidding.
I've been wanting to be on thisthing for a long fucking time.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
How have we never thought of this before, jeez?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I know I was so shocked.
I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I know who would have thunk it, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I love it.
I love, I like cameras andtalking and I like you guys
Actually no.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I love you guys no we love you too, we do I heard you
say like your parents havealways been super supportive of
whatever you got into right,whether it was like drawing or
whatever.
What else would you say?
Because I'm assuming yourparents are in their 40s,
they're roughly, are are.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They're in their fifties yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They're in their fifties.
Okay, um, like what else?
Because you you went thenon-traditional path right.
You could have.
You know, in in life there'stypically you like go to college
or you go straight into theworkforce, or if you're an
artist, you might be exploringsome of those.
You know some different options.
But what are some other thingsas parents that you think you
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would?
You know that your parents didfor you that we could take away
from that.
That's how we can support ourkids that maybe don't choose.
You know the college route.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, I think just from the get go I was always
encouraged to be myself,whatever facet that may come.
So always let me me dress myself, always let me cut my hair,
however the hell I wanted to um,we just had a pretty like free
household to grow up in, um, soI think they were always
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supportive in that sense.
I don't I don't feel like I wasever forced into like doing
things I didn't want to do.
I feel like a lot of parentsmaybe will kind of just force
their kids to do sports orwhatever.
Or I mean, not that there'sanything wrong with this, but we
didn't grow up with anyspecific religion or anything,
so I wasn't like really evertold to believe anything.
(23:26):
We were just kind of encouragedto, you know, make our own
beliefs from that.
So I think things like thatjust encourage kids to think for
themselves and if it seems likethey're naturally drawn towards
something, maybe try toencourage that and not what you
want them to do or what you wishyou would have done when you
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were a kid or whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Such a good lesson for us parents to remember,
though, because it is hard.
It's hard not to either put onwhat you wanted as a kid, maybe,
and didn't get Like to do like.
I find I do that for myself.
Like the things that I didn'tget, I overdo it.
And half the time.
That shit's not even importantto my kids, but it's important
(24:10):
to me.
So there's like all of thisexcess stress and things that we
put on ourselves to makeourselves feel better or
fulfilled in some way.
Um so just listening to hearlike do you say that?
I was like like good reminderto not put that on our kids,
right, right, just let them belike who they are, what they
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like.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, but I mean I'm sure that's easier said than
done too, because at the end ofthe day, like it's all of our
first time living, we're alljust trying to figure it out and
basing what we're doing off ofour past experiences and
whatever context we have forthat.
So I mean you can't put I feellike you can't put too much
fault on yourself, because we'reall just trying to figure it
(24:54):
out.
I cannot, that's for sure Icannot imagine having another
life to take care of.
Obviously I'm 20 and that's notmy job right now, but like
martha's enough and sarah, howold were you when you had Cam?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
21,.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I think I was 21.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
You were basically Seth's age.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And like being in school and pursuing a very high
level thing like I just couldnot be me right now You'd pick
your day your world over, thathuh yeah, I mean, I think it'd
be awesome to have kids one day,but especially, that's not even
(25:40):
anything.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I can hand you the golden ticket I know right, yeah
, he is.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well.
I, I think that all those likeI even I talk about this a lot
Like I couldn't have pickedbetter people for my son if I
picked them, like every singleone of you guys is the absolute
best human beings I know, like Icall them all I say, like we
have like six kids instead oflike the two that we have,
(26:08):
because you guys are just soclose and so mature, instead of
like the two that we have,because you guys are just so
close and so mature.
And you know it's it's neat tohear you talk about this because
it sounds like even throughoutyour life you were just getting
almost like, if we thought oflike doses of confidence.
You were just getting doses ofconfidence from the external
world that really helped you tokind of take that big jump to
your doubt.
And when you don't have thestress of acceptance, then that
(26:31):
fire of creativity is just ableto be, I guess, flamed even more
.
Would you say?
That's right?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I definitely had what
you're talking about in the home, and that was why it was so
easy for me, when I came home,to just like express on the.
On the other hand, I feltreally boxed in by my
environment especially WestVirginia small town thinking um
(26:59):
a lot of limiting beliefs aroundyou and ideas of who you're
supposed to be given, whateveryour role is, you know, if
you're a boy, you're supposed toact this way and dress this way
and like these things, and uh.
So a lot of times on theoutside environment, I didn't
feel like that was encouraged,and so it made me want to run
home and just like create aworld that I did love and did
(27:23):
want to be in yeah, that'stotally fair, and now you're in
in Austin and it's all able tohappen, right?
Yeah, oh my gosh, I love it here, keep.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Austin, weird man.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Heck, yeah, have you ever been?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So my brother and sister-in-law live in Austin and
my nephew and my in-laws have aplace there.
So yeah, we've been a couple offew times.
I've actually been to WillieNelson's farm before I have too,
that was one of the best daysof my life.
All day I kept going.
This is one of the best days ofmy life.
It really was.
It was one of the coolestthings I've ever been to in my
(27:57):
entire life where they have,like the old western town set up
.
Yeah, yeah, like the saloonsomebody's playing in the saloon
, somebody's in the chapel.
There's like a revival tentyeah, like all his old horse or
it's like an old horse rescueand then his farmhouse, like
since way back you know yeah, um, he's got a little weed shop in
there yeah, he's the coolest, Ilove he's, he's.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He really is such an inspiring figure and such a
something that people associatewith austin because he's done so
much for I mean music ingeneral, but specifically austin
and texas music.
Like to this day he performs alot around here and, like pours
a lot of resources into growingthat sort of thing?
(28:45):
that's cool.
I saw him at uh acl this pastyear or not.
This year in October they hadChris Stapleton as the headliner
and this like little old graything hobbles out.
It's before they have those bigscreens on the side of the
stage or anything.
I'm just like I see these twobraids I go is that Willie
(29:06):
fucking Nelson?
My mom's like no way, that'snot Willie Nelson.
And then they turn the lightson in the screens and everybody
goes crazy.
My mom's like no way, that'snot Willie Nelson.
And then they turn the lightson and the screens and everybody
goes crazy and they're likeholy shit, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Willie Nelson.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And he did like two songs and it was just, it was
just crazy, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So similar kind of story.
We were leaving Luck Reunion.
You know you park out likeoutside of the old Western.
It's an old movie set from likethe 80s or 90s, that he was in
an old Western but you park outfrom it and so everybody's
walking like out to their carsafter the last band when it was
(29:43):
over, and there was this likepiece of shit, like S10 truck
like coming up, like like youknow, swimming upstream of all
these people like walking, and Iturn and look and it's willie
nelson.
Just finds out, he gives me athumbs up and he just kept
trucking right.
I was like guys, that waswillie nelson and that like
piece of shit s10 right there.
(30:04):
It was so funny, um, and he did, he just drove and he like went
through the gate, went up tohis little palace up there.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's so cool.
He's such an awesome guy and Ithink that's a prime example of
somebody that has prioritizedlike joy and happiness and just
doing things that you loveconsistently, and I feel like
that's probably why he's such anold, happy man.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Such a national treasure is what we call that.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, snoop Dogg, belly Parton, a national
treasure is what we call thatyeah, I have so much respect for
older artists like that I meanone because that's the music I
grew up on and that's the musicI love and that's the music and
people that I try to emulatewith what I do but I just have
so much respect for, likerolling stones, paul mccartney,
willie n, like all these reallyold artists that are just out
there still doing it.
(30:52):
They don't have to.
They are most.
A lot of them are billionaires.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
It's like they clearly just love it.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
They just want to play for people, and I think
that's so cool that I don't knowto keep that alive.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Well, with, I mean, you kind of said this a minute
ago and I got stuck on it Withthis inspiration that you have
from these folks, these otherartists, how do you always kind
of come to that like place ofprioritizing, like that
happiness, like how do you causeshit happens?
I mean, you know, in all of ourlives, but you just have this
glow about you that justcontinues to just emanate.
(31:30):
But where do you like, like howdo you continue to come back
from that, like if do you have ashitty day, like if you have a
shitty day.
How does it come back?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
you're doing oh yeah, I mean, I'm a very like just in
my head individual.
I think a lot of creativepeople probably are and so I
generally just like try to go inrather than like try to seek
external things and journalabout things.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I've been in a funk lately.
Actually.
I was like really just thinkingabout that these last couple of
weeks, like that weird inbetween Christmas and
Thanksgiving I've just been likeoff my game, like not.
And so today I was like, okay,if I don't do anything else, I
got to get back to like thethings I do every single day,
back to the routine and likeeverything else will follow.
(32:20):
Like I know it will just haveto get back to the routine.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, and like I feel like it's probably easy for me
to say, because, like, I have mymy things, but outside of that
I don't have any realresponsibility to anybody else.
You have so much obligation andjust things that you have to do
in your life, and especiallythis time of year, like I can't
imagine the stress of that.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, but it's like anything, it's like what you
prioritize.
You know, I've just wasted time, like you name it.
I've probably done and wastedtime doing that.
You know, like it's just moreof like making your mental
health a priority, and I thinkthat's where like the routine
and that structure, that likeritualistic structure, comes
(33:04):
into play for me, because when Idon't do that, I just it like
starts like, you know, I justdon't feel good about myself and
then you know, like it startsthis whole like spiral where if
you can just get back like justworking out today and I hadn't
run since Friday, what's today,wednesday, like I never go five
days without a workout, likethat's just not me.
You know, it's just things likethat, where you're like, if I
(33:25):
can just and I did not want todo it today, in fact, I put it
off till 11 o'clock- yeah.
You know it's just stuff likethat, but like it's it, like you
get back and then you're likeokay, there I am, like I'm still
here.
I just took a brief pause.
I don't know am I the onlyperson that does this no like
(33:46):
weird weeks where I'm like Idon't know who I am, I don't
know what my name is I'm notjournaling.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I'm not doing what I normally do absolutely I think,
routine and schedule and thatsort of thing is huge for me.
Like I said, I didn't thrive inlike school structure, but that
idea of structure, I need thatto feel like a person.
And it's wild how, like youknow, we know what the tools are
, we know what is good for us,but sometimes we just choose not
(34:14):
to use them and it's like I'llfall out of routine and then
it's like I'll fall.
I'll fall out of routine andthen it's like I go on a morning
walk with martha, do ameditation, take a workout, take
a shower.
Then I'm like, oh, I'm actuallyfine, nothing was wrong right,
he's back yeah you know, yes,that's their truth.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So I would like to tell you it gets better in 20
years, but it doesn't.
I'm still the same way like I'mlike, I still have to, and part
of it is like we've created.
It's a structure or a ritual wethat we created right, so we,
in theory, enjoy most of itright, because it's something
you want to do.
I think that's why we tend tothrive in these like created
(34:53):
routines.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I have a question.
I can't wait.
What is a piece of advice thatyou wish you would have had at
my age?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Don't waste your money on stupid shit.
Okay, wow, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well yeah, I think mine was a little different
because again, I was pregnantwith Cameron or just had him,
and then getting diagnosed withtype one diabetes.
So it was a whole bunch ofdifferent things all at once.
I think maybe well, it mighthave been maybe not to take
(35:35):
things so seriously, Becausewhenever you're underneath those
kind of like circumstanceswhich again were self-imposed,
except the diabetes thing thatwas, I pulled a luck card on
that one, but I think that itforced you into a place where
you just have to be so focusedon.
(35:56):
I don't know that success isthe right word, but achievement,
like you have to push, it'salways a push, and so there's no
room for really like fun orother types of I don't know that
enjoyment's the right word, butyou just have to stay so
focused, for at such a young agefor such a period of time, that
(36:20):
there wasn't a lot offlexibility, and so it would
have probably been not to takethings so seriously, but I don't
, I can't think of I couldprobably have loosened up some,
but I don't know how that wouldhave.
I don't also know how thatwould have worked, but I don't
know how that would have.
I don't also know how thatwould have worked.
But that's just kind of that'sthe I don't know that would be
(36:42):
it, because I was pretty tired.
I got, I think even after that,more tightly wound after I got
into my career and intoadvancing like education, and
you know what I mean.
You're trying to make a namefor yourself.
You're trying to like you knowwhat I mean, Like be this big
thing, and I mean right.
Obviously none of that'snecessary right now because I'm
(37:03):
a substitute yoga teacher and dohobby podcast, thankfully to my
husband.
But I don't know.
I think that that winding ofthat rope got really tight
during that time and it's reallychallenging to unwind it now,
20 years later.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, I could totally see that for you.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, that's a very hard line to draw of, like, how
do I take myself seriously andthe things in my life seriously
enough to you know, care aboutthem and be good at them and
excel at them, but alsounderstand that, like almost
nothing is personal and like 99of things are not actually about
you when they feel like theyare?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be.
This might sound super cliche,but I think, too, like just
believing in that you can trulyachieve anything if you're
willing to work for it.
I truly believe that's anythingin life, that you can achieve
it if you're willing to work atit and make decisions that align
with whatever it is.
(38:05):
But just like that belief inself you know, I was never quite
sure of myself like I am now.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
That comes with age, I'm sure.
Yeah, I feel like that couldalso tie into the question you
asked about what could parentsdo to encourage their kids to be
themselves.
Is that right there?
Just instill the belief that ifyou work hard enough at
anything, you can probablyachieve it.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, and that it may look differently than what you
thought it would.
Being open to that and thatexcitement of what you know,
there's so many possibilities.
I love to hear people's storiesor especially people that have
been around a long time, like intheir 60s like how they got to
it.
You know, some people have somefascinating stories and if you
don't take the opportunities asthey come to you in life, you
(38:55):
know you may miss out on like ahuge part of your story.
Whatever it is and like youknow I think it's so it's.
There's like a confidence thatcomes in just knowing that, like
it, it all works out in the endthe way it's supposed to for
most people.
I won't say that for everybody,but for most people it does.
I mean bad things are going tohappen.
(39:16):
That's life.
That's a guarantee in life.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Looking forward to it .
Speaker 1 (39:21):
You're going to experience a hardship, but I
don't know.
There's some resolve in me nowthat I'm like throw it.
No, I'm not saying thatuniverse, don't throw it at me.
I overlook a very sereneoutside.
I'm always like talking to theuniverse right here from my desk
(39:41):
Like I'm just kidding.
But you know, I feel like wecan handle anything and I
definitely didn't feel that wayat 20 years old.
I'm still calling my mom everyfive minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Or overconfidence doesn't really do you much good
either.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I would also say that it's not always the most
helpful beast, so there'sbalance, for sure, but before we
wrap it up, I have to know whatdoes a day in the life of a 20
almost 21 year old musician inAustin Texas look like it
(40:15):
depends, but I usually get uparound, yeah I usually get up
around like 8, 30 or 9 ish.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'll walk my dog martha and I'll do a meddy.
That's what I call it.
I call it my meddy.
My girlfriend and I were like,did you do your meddy today?
Okay, are you ready for yourmeddy?
Um, so I do writing sessions,help people write their songs,
production for people.
If I'm not doing that, I'mdoing production for myself.
So I'm either writing songs orrecording songs that I've
written.
(40:44):
I also play in multiple bands,so I do instrumentation for that
sort of thing.
I have my band, so we havepractice every week and I try to
keep things tight with that.
If we have a show, I usuallytry to knock out most of my
(41:09):
responsibilities before likethree that day, then just chill
out and focus on the show and bein a good headspace for that.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So it depends on the day day and it kind of means
having your hand in a lot ofdifferent pots, I think, but in
general I'm I'm getting to becreative pretty much all day,
every day, which is and you haveto be flexible, right, certain
things, like I'm sure, come upand you can't do, maybe, what
you had on your schedule and solike I'm really impressed like
(41:35):
that you keep it all, keep itall flowing, and I'm sure there
are days you miss a mark, butlike, just in general, that's a
lot of things to keep a lot ofballs in the air.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, and it's hard because they all require a
different type of focus andmental energy in a different
part of your brain, but I loveall of it.
I love music so much that Ijust want to know everything
about the process, from start tofinish, from practicing and
becoming a good musician andperformance to recording and the
(42:09):
technicalities that go intothat making a song, performing a
song, playing for a liveaudience Just all of it.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I just love it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
It's so cool.
He's such a stud.
Yeah, yeah, watching his videosand uh clips on instagram, it
is just such a I mean stagepresence, like you just
commanded, and it is so amazingto see.
I cannot wait to see it live.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'm going to be in the front, like just I need
y'all to come out to a showthat'd be so fun I know I
actually am thinking about doingthe austin half marathon.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I think it's in february.
Maybe we could.
Okay, sarah, look at ourschedules, here we go.
That'd be an excuse to go toaustin that's just pulled a
bunch of like races we couldlook at.
There's something else.
I was just going to ask you.
Oh no, I wasn't going to askyou.
I did a little snooping on yoursocial media.
I think you have a girlfriend.
(43:08):
I think you just mentioned yousaid girlfriend, I dig her voice
, man.
She's got a beautiful,beautiful voice.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, I know, I just had to tell you that.
Yeah, she went to Governor'sSchool for the Arts in high
school and sang all her life,but studied opera through that
period and she's an amazingsongwriter and we have a lot of
chemistry musically too, whichis really cool.
So whenever she's here, we workin the studio and I'm helping
her finish some of her songs uptoo, so that she can get some
(43:38):
stuff out, because I'm likepeople need to hear this.
You're so good.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Well, let us know when it's ready.
I would love to listen to someoriginal stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
And I'm working on my album right now, so trying to
get that that's kind of takingover a lot of right now.
That that's kind of taking overa lot of right now.
I'm trying to take a little bitof a break from uh shows until
like january I should justreally try to focus on locking
myself in here and justfinishing things get it done
cranking.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
What kind of album are you making?
Is it like your original songs,a concept album?
What do you got?
What do you got cooking there,seth?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
yeah, so they're.
So they're all original songs Ihave.
I mean, I have like probably 50songs written that I like.
So I've just kind of beencollecting all of those from
pretty much the time I movedhere two years ago to now and I
feel like I've weeded out somenow that I feel really, really
good and confident about.
(44:35):
I think I want that to be thealbum.
So I feel like it will bepretty wide ranging in terms of
style which I like.
I feel like especially a lot ofrecords from the 70s.
You'll have a rock song and afolky song and you have a slow
acoustic song and you might havea funk song.
So I want to just have all ofthat song and you might have a
(45:00):
funk song.
So I want to just have all ofthat, all of those different
things, but still beingall-encompassing and feel like
me and almost feel like you'rein here with me.
Oh, that's so cool yeah, um,yeah my favorite thing in the
entire world to do it.
It's hard, though, because youknow the fun part is bringing a
song to life, and afterwardscomes a lot of work and like a
(45:25):
lot of code cracking and a lotof like driving yourself crazy.
So it's so, so fun and sofulfilling and rewarding and
just like get completely lost inyour own little world.
Writing a song, finishing asong, maybe I'll pop it into my
computer real quick, and then Ijust get lost, like layering
different instruments and stuff,and then it's like, okay,
(45:48):
that's the demo I need to make,like the real version that will
be on Spotify, and it's like,damn, that's when the work comes
, when I kind of just want toget lost, like making more songs
, so trying to balance all thosethings.
It's it's hard to finish stuffsometimes, but I'm finally
finally creeping up on somethings that I'm really, really
excited for people to hear about, and stuff that we've been
(46:10):
playing live at the shows, butthat's not out yet gosh, how
cool.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I can't wait.
My husband, jeff, is going tobe so pumped to hear all of this
.
He's going to be your biggestfan, I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I love Jeff.
I love Jeff.
I love Cameron.
I love your whole family.
I love Penny.
Everybody's so great.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Everybody loves Penny .
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Penny gets the shout out.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
The girl.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
All right, seth, where can we find you?
You can find me on all thesocial media things.
So Instagram, seth SeldronMusic.
I'll spell it for you, becausepeople have trouble
S-E-T-H-C-E-L-D-R-A-N.
S-e-t-h-c-e-l-d-r-a-n.
Instagram, tiktok, all thatstuff, and then on Spotify,
(46:58):
itunes Apple stuff, and then onspotify, itunes, apple music,
youtube, wherever you listen tomusic.
Um, seth celdron c-e-l-d-r-a-n.
We got about eight songs out,but I'm hoping to get more this
year.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
That's the goal and we're gonna meet in person this
year.
I'm gonna put that as one of mygoals of 2025 please, let's do
it, we'll do austin I got allthe mics.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I got all the mics, all the cameras.
We can do a podcast in here,live in stew oh wow, that'd be
so fun, so cool yeah, let's doit.
Let's do it.
I'm in.
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
This was so fun I know I see a recurring guest
spot here.
I just didn't want to throwthat out.
I feel like like I'm digging it.
I feel like I know you, eventhough I don't really.
So this is quite fascinating tome.
I'm fascinated that you've hungwith us this long, more than
anything.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yes, oh, it's great.
I mean I love this gig and Ilove.
I mean, like you said, you feellike you know me, I feel like I
know so much about you Probablymore than you know about me.
Way about you, probably morethan you know about me, way more
than you probably want to know.
There have been a couple timeswhere I'm like I never thought I
would hear Cameron's momtalking about this, but hell
(48:04):
yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Right, Exactly, I know.
And those are those days whereI text you and I'm like Seth I'm
so sorry, but we're talkingabout sex, or we're talking
about X, Y and Z, and I'm likeJesus Christ.
This kid was five and in myhouse, what am I?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
doing.
Hey, it's how we all got here,ain't no?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
reason to hide from it.
I know God bless them.
Well, seth, I love you Justlike you're one of our own.
Here come the tears.
I know it's just.
I know it's.
It's.
Very rarely do I ever cry, butwhenever I do, it's always about
like the people in my life andit's on this damn show, God.
(48:41):
No, but seriously, I mean justto see how beautiful your life
has been and become and the factthat I know that you're doing
what you want.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
You're making me cry too, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
He's coming home for the holidays, I think.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, I love you.
I got to see you at Christmasand yeah, maybe we'll have some
overlap at Christmas.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
We'll be home next week.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Please, I'll be there .
I'll be here.
I'll be here till the 28th.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
So finally I'm in town.
You're globetrotting somewhere.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
I know I know I know.
Well, yeah we're, we're hometill the 28th.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
So that's the plan, awesome?
Well, I'll definitely make you,because I love, I love all you
guys.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Oh, we do too Well.
Thank you so much for sharingyour spirit, your song and just
everything with us.
We really, really, really,really appreciate it and just
everything with us.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
We really really really really appreciate it.
Until next time, Live Listlisteners, we out.
welcome to lilas.
We're back after a little bitof a break.
I feel like I don't know uh, sowelcome back where.
Uh, we've got a special guestthis week.
I'm pretty excited about this.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
We have the most special guests ever, because
we've been doing this podcastfour seasons now.
We mentioned his name all thetime on here, probably not as
much as we should.
He is the mastermind, he is thegenius.
He has helped me out since thiswhole thing ever became an idea
and he's gifted in every singleway.
It's been a true pleasure andhonor of my life to have watched
(00:52):
you grow up.
I know here come the tears.
I know, but it is Seth.
Seth Seldron, our producer, ourmixer, our main guy, is on the
podcast today.
So this is a broad generationpodcast.
We usually say it's for youknow.
If you know what LILAS standsfor, this podcast is for you,
(01:14):
Not today.
This is for every single personout there, because we are
hitting some fun, cool topicsand we're just honored to have
you here for it.
So how's that, Jen?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Damn, that is a lot to live up to.
What's up Lylas listeners?
How are we doing today?
I'm so excited to be here.
I have been staring at thesebeautiful ladies' faces,
listening to their voices, forover a year now, probably Almost
two.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh wow, you make us sound cool and I think you
deliver on that.
Every time I listen to anepisode I'm like wow, this
sounds legit.
It sounds like we know whatwe're doing.
And it's really Seth knows whathe's doing.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And he makes us look good.
I think it really is a groupeffort.
I mean, good editing goes along way, but also, like you
guys have improved so much sincethe first episode, like you're
locked in and you have a flowand you know you know what you
guys are doing now, which isit's, that's also been cool to
watch.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh, that's sweet.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Did you listen to podcasts before you started
editing a podcast?
Um, yeah, probably a little bitOkay, but I mean, compared to,
like, music production, editinga podcast is like nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I mean there's it's two voices.
You know, with a song there's,you might have 10 voices plus a
million instruments, multiplemicrophones on an instrument,
all sorts of things that youhave to edit and change about it
.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So Well, but just in hearing you even talk about this
, your expertise in music andproduction and all of this, I
think, comes clear to everyone.
But the fact is is you're 20years old, you're getting ready,
turn 21 here in a few days andI hope everybody follows you on
Instagram and picks up yourmusic on I think it's blast on
all you know music platforms.
(03:23):
But how did you even like getinto this?
Because I remember you alwaysbeing very artsy and very
musically inclined.
So can you just tell theviewers just a little bit, like
give them a snapshot is likeSeth as a kid and how you got to
this space where now you'reliving halfway across the
country, moved out there with noone except Martha, your sweet
dog, and you've been a no-godlover and you just made it.
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So give us a little bit of asnapshot, because we love you,
we know you, but we want ourLylas listeners to know your
story too.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, I think made it is a bold word choice.
But yeah, grew up in a littlesmall town, west Virginia.
I grew up in Lesage, so it wasa town of about like 800 people,
I think, and I think that washonestly a really good thing.
I think I felt a little bitlonely as a kid but also we're
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home so much and kind of out inthe country and there's not
really that many kids around inyour neighborhood.
So I'm just in a room doingpretty much exactly what I do in
here, but just, you know, as akid.
But my grandpa played guitarand he was a really big
inspiration for me, kind of oneof the main drivers that I was
like, oh that's cool, I likewhatever's happening there, and
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there was always just a lot ofmusic playing around my house
and everything.
And I think we'll touch on thisa little bit later.
But I think I'm also just reallylucky to grow up with parents
that were just super dupersupportive from the get go.
Like any little artistic hobbyor weird whatever the hell that
I wanted to try when I was a kid, they were just like yep, well,
what do you need?
Let's make it happen.
So I originally was super,super into drawing and physical
art and that sort of thing.
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And then I also always reallyloved costumes and playing,
dress up and that sort of thingand I got into kind of making
props for videos and movies.
And that got me really intospecial effects, makeup, so like
making up zombies and like cutsand burns and that that whole
sort of thing.
And then that got me more intolike actually filming it.
(05:31):
And I think I'm also reallylucky to grow up in the age of
like YouTube and technology,where you know those things are
so available to you.
I had an iPod touch as a kidthat had a camera on it.
Then I would just make videosthere.
My dad had a computer that hadiMovie.
I would just pop them in thereand just mess around with stuff
and that kind of became a reallove for me and honestly, that's
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what I thought I was going todo with my life.
I really wanted to do VFX andbehind-the-scenes movie stuff,
behind-the-scenes movie stuff.
And then I started guitarlessons around seven or eight
years old and really loved thatand kept up with that all
through 18 when I moved out fromWest Virginia and came to
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Austin Texas, I'd say once I gotaround to middle school.
That's when things reallysolidified, like, okay, I love
music, this is what I want to do.
So I joined orchestra, startedplaying cello, then picked up
drums and then bass and thenpiano.
I started really diving deepinto like getting good at those
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things.
And around that time I was alsogetting into live looping, like
when I don't know if you'veever seen those guys a lot of
times sitting at a restaurant orsomething.
But they'll have a pedal on theground and maybe a guitar and
they'll do like a little drumthing stop, stop the pedal, and
then that drum loops over andover.
They'll put chords.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I feel like ederan does this yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Perfect example.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So I got really into doing that.
What a genius.
I love Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran is cool.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I didn't used to love him so much and I watched that
documentary they have on Disney+.
Got a lot of respect for himafter that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
A lot Once you understand what his music is
about it just it added a wholenother layer for me.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, he's an incredibly hard worker.
But I got really into livelooping that sort of thing and
that kind of got me interestedin like filling out a sonic
space and layering instrumentsand making things work together.
So that kind of got me intomusic production and songwriting
.
That all kind of just swelledup together.
And then in my sophomore yearof high school I finally had
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some songs and some recordingsthat I was happy with and so I
put those out together and umjust kept pursuing that
throughout high school whilestill maintaining the
videography stuff for work.
So I was shooting a lot of likeweddings, real estate,
commercials, social mediacontent, that sort of thing and
I saved up money doing that.
(08:08):
And then I moved to Austin whenI was 18.
Like pretty much as soon as Igot out of high school I was
like I'm ready to go.
Why Austin?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
How did you pick Austin Texas?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, first off, if you've never been, it's an
amazing city.
A lot of people I mean it'sdefinitely like growing and
becoming a much more major city,I think.
But when I told a lot of peopleI was going to Austin, they're
like Texas.
Why are you going to Texas?
But it's such a beautiful,creative, vibrant city where I
mean you can just really likeyou can feel the happiness of
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other people, like people arehappy to be here.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Especially music lovers, like it's got a music
scene like no other.
I mean, I'm sure Nashville hassomething similar, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, so there is a great music scene here, great
art scene, a lot of majorfestival type things you have
South by Southwest ACL.
There's a great music scene, butit's also growing in a lot of
ways and that's exciting to me.
I want to be a part of that, asopposed to going to somewhere
like Nashville or LA or New York, where just huge, major, major
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industry, insane competition, II like the idea of coming here
and like growing with the scene.
I feel like I just said so much.
That's a podcast, though, Iguess that's the point that's so
interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Just the whole like how you sort of have found your
way, but you sound like a supermotivated person in general,
like you were doing shit in highschool.
I definitely wasn't doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, I mean it was because I I mean I can't stress
to you how much I fucking hatedschool, like, like I was just
just dying to get out of thereevery single day and just go
home and do this because I justknew that was what I love doing
and I hated doing what otherpeople were telling me to be
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doing.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It was not your happy place at all.
Oh my.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
God, I liked.
I started to like it the moreand more that we started to get
like electives and like classesthat you can choose, that you
kind of enjoy.
But, oh my God, I hated school,not for like being bullied or
anything like that, like I justjust did not, it wasn't too hard
or anything like that, it justwasn't your cup of tea.
Yeah, no, I mean, I made goodgrades, but I was just like it
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just felt like let's get thisover with.
That's how it felt for metragic and awful thing.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
We can all have our own opinions about it, but
that's, I think, whenever youguys were really able to kind of
like bloom and have a lot morefreedom with your creativity or
with your process and you know,even with Cameron and you know
he was able to golf more.
So it was like all of a suddenyou guys that have these real
eclectic like interest andthings like that that were time
consuming, that you didn't get alot of opportunity to kind of
dive into that hit, and now youhave like space and opportunity
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to kind of do it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, 100 percent, absolutely.
That's why I said I put myfirst two songs out sophomore
year, because that was whenCOVID hit and I had time to just
sit down with it every singleday and our school made a rule
that your grades couldn't gobelow whatever they were
whenever school let out.
I had like A's and B's so I'mlike, okay, well, I'm gonna not
do shit and just do music and um, so, yeah, I just got to pretty
(11:35):
much stay home and do that allthe time and I think, yeah, it
was tragic, but also that was areally really.
I don't think bloomful is aword, but I'm going to say a
bloomful time for me.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, I was going to say for some people like Seth,
he was like yes, I don't have togo to school, it was not so
tragic.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, you, I think, produced a music video for us,
and then you guys did a movietoo.
You produced an entire, youwrote a script and kind of
pieced together songs for anentire movie that you guys put
out.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, we sure did For Jeff, your husband's band,
whose music I genuinely love.
I mean, I had fun working onthose projects because the music
was actually like fun to listento.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, that was really really cool.
So yeah, we kept you.
Seth's been busy with us for abit.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yes, I have.
Hopefully it continues that way.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I would say Sarah can always come up with a project.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You do, you create things all the time.
I love it Well.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm glad it works out for everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Do you guys consider yourselves creative people, do
you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
guys consider yourselves creative people.
I think I'm creative, but I'mnot at all like musically
inclined.
You know, like I can't sing, Ican harmonize, or I can get on a
stage and I'll dance or I'll bevery theatrical.
But I mean, I've got a pianobehind me and it's Jeff's and
Rachel's Cameron also plays it,but no, no, no music here.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm not asking about music.
I mean I think creative, yeah,creativity is any, any creative
solution that you come up withto some problem.
I think that's creativity,that's true.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That's true, it's great.
What about you, jen?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Am I a creative person?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, I have creative thoughts.
It's my execution that gets mein trouble.
So, like I might be able tothink of something really
creative, I'm just never goingto follow through and actually
complete it.
Uh, or very little like itneeds a lot.
I need a lot of structure andsupports along the way.
I'm just a naturalprocrastinator, so has it?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
has it always been that way or do you feel like
that's probably also slowed down, because, I mean, you have kids
and a bajillionresponsibilities?
Always been that way?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, I wish I could say it was just having children,
but as long as I can remember,I've been this way and it's like
it's a constant.
You know, and I often say likeI'm the idea man and then my
husband makes it happen.
He actually makes like theseideas come to fruition, because
otherwise they would just livein my head, especially Halloween
costumes like things like that.
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Like I can think of stuff allday, but I'm never going to like
put in the effort nine timesout of ten.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's still creativity.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I would say that's definitely still creativity,
though.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, like I'm just not good at like crafting, like
if I'm not good at it, I'm notinterested in it.
I'm very typical.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Add profile in that way.
I think we all are right.
I took my adderall this morning.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's why I'm able to focus lock in and have a
conversation yeah, exactly, getsome stuff done.
But even today, like I put myworkout off until we, so I had
exactly 30 minutes before we hadto get on here to record Like I
will I thrive under pressure iswhat I always say, but like
I'll wait until the very lastminute.
So I'm so impressed when I hearabout a 20 year old, almost 21
(15:01):
year old, that's like got hisshit together and like does all
of these things and keeps themall.
You know that's a lot to manage,right, you're trying to manage
a lot as a young adult andfigure out like who you are in
the midst of all of that andwhen you're not.
Like, at least for me, schoolgave me like a structure, as you
can tell, like I need astructure, and like a plan and a
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path to follow, and so if I wasjust like making it up, I would
, I would not be successful inany realm.
Like you know what I mean.
Like that takes a certain typeof person too that can say, ok,
I'm going to do thingsdifferently, but I still have to
make all this work somehow.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I mean I've just always loved you said
making things up.
I've just always loved makingshit up and just making your own
world out of you know,whatever's around you, and
that's kind of the approach Itry to have with anything I make
.
So, you know, with the videostuff, it's not like I have
crazy, crazy equipment.
I mean I have some good stuff,but I also am very much about
just like making the bestpossible thing that you can with
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whatever's around you.
With the music stuff.
I mean, obviously it looks likea lot and it is a lot, but at
the end of the day, like thesetup is not that crazy.
I love trying to push thelimits with whatever's available
to you.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Well, how do you do this, though, seth?
I guess because I, I mean, I'mjust sitting here like how, like
, really, how do you manage,like, how do you get into your
your own kind of flow state withthis open like canvas that you
have?
And then the other side of thisis also like scheduling gigs,
you know, putting your name out,like there's also a very.
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It goes from being veryabstract, almost mechanical, in
a way that you have to balanceboth of these worlds in order to
kind of put yourself out there.
So how are you able to do thisso well, tell us.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Damn, I don't know.
I mean that definitely is adifficult thing, like trying to
balance that right side of yourbrain that has to, like, make
shit happen and then that freeflow side of your brain that
just wants to da, da, da andmake stuff.
You know, um, I don't know.
I mean, with the video stuff, Ihave people like you, a couple
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clients, on retainer, so it'snice to have those ongoing
projects that I have a setamount of things that I need to
make for them per month, andthen I also just I mean I really
, really, really and this hasbeen a struggle for me feeling
like I'm like lazy, or alsomaybe comparing myself to people
that do have regular nine tofive jobs where they're going to
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a place that maybe they don'tnecessarily want to be at.
And truth is, I do get to be athome.
I do get to work from home alot of the time, editing this
stuff and then working on musicstuff.
So I think that definitelyhelps and I try to prioritize
free time and time to enjoyyourself and I think, just in
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general, as a person, I havealways prioritized doing things
that fulfill you, things thatyou actually want to do.
That's something that you talkabout a lot like obligation.
If it feels like you should doit, you probably shouldn't do it
and I mean I definitely abideby that.
I think I just try toprioritize like happiness and
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getting fulfillment out of likeeverything, things that you
actually love.
I try to prioritize like arelationship with myself.
I do a lot of meditation andjournaling and research on
trying to investigate what I'mfeeling and and figure those
things out.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So yeah, You're going to be light years ahead of us,
seth, to start that at your age.
What I wouldn't give to go backin time and know.
You know the profound impactthat that would have on my life
if I would have started that 20years earlier.
Not to say that like I wouldn'thave made mistakes, but just
like how much more supportive Icould have been to myself you
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know, yeah, I feel like, likeyou said, it's changed my
relationship with myself.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's changed my relationship with other people
because I'm able to be therewith them more.
It's changed my relationshipwith music, with work.
I mean, it really is like,especially for neurodivergent
brains like ours, it really islike a natural centering thing.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Absolutely.
I love that.
I love that you take that soseriously, as like a kid because
you are, you know, a young guy,a young adult Excuse me, you're
not a kid, but you're a youngadult but also as a male, like
how often do we hear malestalking about making meditation
a priority for themselves?
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I've been begging my husband tomake it a priority.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So what does that look like for you?
Like, what is your like?
Do you have a routine that yougo by with it, or do you just
kind of do it whenever you feellike you need that type of like
centering moment?
Is it like Jen?
Does it usually like once oneof like her daily five first
kind of things that she kind ofwakes up and does like, how does
that look for you?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
well, I just have a like a guided app that I use.
I use open.
I don't know what you guys use.
Um, I use that and I try to doit in the morning before I start
like a lot of work and stuff.
Sometimes if I like I'm justtoo excited about a project and
just want to get up and likestart working.
I lot of work and stuff.
Sometimes, if I like I'm justtoo excited about a project and
just want to get up and likestart working, I'll do that, and
then it ends up getting pushedoff till a lot later in the day.
But I generally try to startthe day with it because I feel
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like it's a good tone setter forthe rest of the day.
And if I start in the evening,then I'm thinking about all the
things I did that day.
So try to do it first, ishthing in the morning, um, and
then sometimes I'll do onemiddle of the day, or if I'm
headed to a function orsomething, I'm feeling a little
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anxious, I might pull over for asecond and do just like a five
minute breathing thing and thencome in cool as a cucumber, uh,
and then, or I'll, I'll do someat night too.
It helps me fall asleep.
I've been trying to replacescrolling and stuff like that
before bed with just breathing.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He's so wise, he's so wise.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
What are we doing?
Giving advice?
We should be listening to you,seth.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh geez.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
We need you.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Hey, I'll join every week.
I'm not kidding.
I've been wanting to be on thisthing for a long fucking time.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
How have we never thought of this before, jeez?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I know I was so shocked.
I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I know who would have thunk it, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I love it.
I love, I like cameras andtalking and I like you guys
Actually no.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I love you guys no we love you too, we do I heard you
say like your parents havealways been super supportive of
whatever you got into right,whether it was like drawing or
whatever.
What else would you say?
Because I'm assuming yourparents are in their 40s,
they're roughly, are are.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They're in their fifties yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They're in their fifties.
Okay, um, like what else?
Because you you went thenon-traditional path right.
You could have.
You know, in in life there'stypically you like go to college
or you go straight into theworkforce, or if you're an
artist, you might be exploringsome of those.
You know some different options.
But what are some other thingsas parents that you think you
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would?
You know that your parents didfor you that we could take away
from that.
That's how we can support ourkids that maybe don't choose.
You know the college route.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, I think just from the get go I was always
encouraged to be myself,whatever facet that may come.
So always let me me dress myself, always let me cut my hair,
however the hell I wanted to um,we just had a pretty like free
household to grow up in, um, soI think they were always
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supportive in that sense.
I don't I don't feel like I wasever forced into like doing
things I didn't want to do.
I feel like a lot of parentsmaybe will kind of just force
their kids to do sports orwhatever.
Or I mean, not that there'sanything wrong with this, but we
didn't grow up with anyspecific religion or anything,
so I wasn't like really evertold to believe anything.
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We were just kind of encouragedto, you know, make our own
beliefs from that.
So I think things like thatjust encourage kids to think for
themselves and if it seems likethey're naturally drawn towards
something, maybe try toencourage that and not what you
want them to do or what you wishyou would have done when you
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were a kid or whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Such a good lesson for us parents to remember,
though, because it is hard.
It's hard not to either put onwhat you wanted as a kid, maybe,
and didn't get Like to do like.
I find I do that for myself.
Like the things that I didn'tget, I overdo it.
And half the time.
That shit's not even importantto my kids, but it's important
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to me.
So there's like all of thisexcess stress and things that we
put on ourselves to makeourselves feel better or
fulfilled in some way.
Um so just listening to hearlike do you say that?
I was like like good reminderto not put that on our kids,
right, right, just let them belike who they are, what they
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like.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, but I mean I'm sure that's easier said than
done too, because at the end ofthe day, like it's all of our
first time living, we're alljust trying to figure it out and
basing what we're doing off ofour past experiences and
whatever context we have forthat.
So I mean you can't put I feellike you can't put too much
fault on yourself, because we'reall just trying to figure it
(24:54):
out.
I cannot, that's for sure Icannot imagine having another
life to take care of.
Obviously I'm 20 and that's notmy job right now, but like
martha's enough and sarah, howold were you when you had Cam?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
21,.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I think I was 21.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
You were basically Seth's age.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And like being in school and pursuing a very high
level thing like I just couldnot be me right now You'd pick
your day your world over, thathuh yeah, I mean, I think it'd
be awesome to have kids one day,but especially, that's not even
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anything.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I can hand you the golden ticket I know right, yeah
, he is.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well.
I, I think that all those likeI even I talk about this a lot
Like I couldn't have pickedbetter people for my son if I
picked them, like every singleone of you guys is the absolute
best human beings I know, like Icall them all I say, like we
have like six kids instead oflike the two that we have,
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because you guys are just soclose and so mature, instead of
like the two that we have,because you guys are just so
close and so mature.
And you know it's it's neat tohear you talk about this because
it sounds like even throughoutyour life you were just getting
almost like, if we thought oflike doses of confidence.
You were just getting doses ofconfidence from the external
world that really helped you tokind of take that big jump to
your doubt.
And when you don't have thestress of acceptance, then that
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fire of creativity is just ableto be, I guess, flamed even more
.
Would you say?
That's right?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I definitely had what
you're talking about in the home, and that was why it was so
easy for me, when I came home,to just like express on the.
On the other hand, I feltreally boxed in by my
environment especially WestVirginia small town thinking um
(26:59):
a lot of limiting beliefs aroundyou and ideas of who you're
supposed to be given, whateveryour role is, you know, if
you're a boy, you're supposed toact this way and dress this way
and like these things, and uh.
So a lot of times on theoutside environment, I didn't
feel like that was encouraged,and so it made me want to run
home and just like create aworld that I did love and did
(27:23):
want to be in yeah, that'stotally fair, and now you're in
in Austin and it's all able tohappen, right?
Yeah, oh my gosh, I love it here, keep.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Austin, weird man.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Heck, yeah, have you ever been?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So my brother and sister-in-law live in Austin and
my nephew and my in-laws have aplace there.
So yeah, we've been a couple offew times.
I've actually been to WillieNelson's farm before I have too,
that was one of the best daysof my life.
All day I kept going.
This is one of the best days ofmy life.
It really was.
It was one of the coolestthings I've ever been to in my
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entire life where they have,like the old western town set up
.
Yeah, yeah, like the saloonsomebody's playing in the saloon
, somebody's in the chapel.
There's like a revival tentyeah, like all his old horse or
it's like an old horse rescueand then his farmhouse, like
since way back you know yeah, um, he's got a little weed shop in
there yeah, he's the coolest, Ilove he's, he's.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He really is such an inspiring figure and such a
something that people associatewith austin because he's done so
much for I mean music ingeneral, but specifically austin
and texas music.
Like to this day he performs alot around here and, like pours
a lot of resources into growingthat sort of thing?
(28:45):
that's cool.
I saw him at uh acl this pastyear or not.
This year in October they hadChris Stapleton as the headliner
and this like little old graything hobbles out.
It's before they have those bigscreens on the side of the
stage or anything.
I'm just like I see these twobraids I go is that Willie
(29:06):
fucking Nelson?
My mom's like no way, that'snot Willie Nelson.
And then they turn the lightson in the screens and everybody
goes crazy.
My mom's like no way, that'snot Willie Nelson.
And then they turn the lightson and the screens and everybody
goes crazy and they're likeholy shit, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Willie Nelson.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And he did like two songs and it was just, it was
just crazy, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So similar kind of story.
We were leaving Luck Reunion.
You know you park out likeoutside of the old Western.
It's an old movie set from likethe 80s or 90s, that he was in
an old Western but you park outfrom it and so everybody's
walking like out to their carsafter the last band when it was
(29:43):
over, and there was this likepiece of shit, like S10 truck
like coming up, like like youknow, swimming upstream of all
these people like walking, and Iturn and look and it's willie
nelson.
Just finds out, he gives me athumbs up and he just kept
trucking right.
I was like guys, that waswillie nelson and that like
piece of shit s10 right there.
(30:04):
It was so funny, um, and he did, he just drove and he like went
through the gate, went up tohis little palace up there.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's so cool.
He's such an awesome guy and Ithink that's a prime example of
somebody that has prioritizedlike joy and happiness and just
doing things that you loveconsistently, and I feel like
that's probably why he's such anold, happy man.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Such a national treasure is what we call that.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, snoop Dogg, belly Parton, a national
treasure is what we call thatyeah, I have so much respect for
older artists like that I meanone because that's the music I
grew up on and that's the musicI love and that's the music and
people that I try to emulatewith what I do but I just have
so much respect for, likerolling stones, paul mccartney,
willie n, like all these reallyold artists that are just out
there still doing it.
(30:52):
They don't have to.
They are most.
A lot of them are billionaires.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
It's like they clearly just love it.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
They just want to play for people, and I think
that's so cool that I don't knowto keep that alive.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Well, with, I mean, you kind of said this a minute
ago and I got stuck on it Withthis inspiration that you have
from these folks, these otherartists, how do you always kind
of come to that like place ofprioritizing, like that
happiness, like how do you causeshit happens?
I mean, you know, in all of ourlives, but you just have this
glow about you that justcontinues to just emanate.
(31:30):
But where do you like, like howdo you continue to come back
from that, like if do you have ashitty day, like if you have a
shitty day.
How does it come back?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
you're doing oh yeah, I mean, I'm a very like just in
my head individual.
I think a lot of creativepeople probably are and so I
generally just like try to go inrather than like try to seek
external things and journalabout things.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I've been in a funk lately.
Actually.
I was like really just thinkingabout that these last couple of
weeks, like that weird inbetween Christmas and
Thanksgiving I've just been likeoff my game, like not.
And so today I was like, okay,if I don't do anything else, I
got to get back to like thethings I do every single day,
back to the routine and likeeverything else will follow.
(32:20):
Like I know it will just haveto get back to the routine.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, and like I feel like it's probably easy for me
to say, because, like, I have mymy things, but outside of that
I don't have any realresponsibility to anybody else.
You have so much obligation andjust things that you have to do
in your life, and especiallythis time of year, like I can't
imagine the stress of that.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, but it's like anything, it's like what you
prioritize.
You know, I've just wasted time, like you name it.
I've probably done and wastedtime doing that.
You know, like it's just moreof like making your mental
health a priority, and I thinkthat's where like the routine
and that structure, that likeritualistic structure, comes
(33:04):
into play for me, because when Idon't do that, I just it like
starts like, you know, I justdon't feel good about myself and
then you know, like it startsthis whole like spiral where if
you can just get back like justworking out today and I hadn't
run since Friday, what's today,wednesday, like I never go five
days without a workout, likethat's just not me.
You know, it's just things likethat, where you're like, if I
(33:25):
can just and I did not want todo it today, in fact, I put it
off till 11 o'clock- yeah.
You know it's just stuff likethat, but like it's it, like you
get back and then you're likeokay, there I am, like I'm still
here.
I just took a brief pause.
I don't know am I the onlyperson that does this no like
(33:46):
weird weeks where I'm like Idon't know who I am, I don't
know what my name is I'm notjournaling.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I'm not doing what I normally do absolutely I think,
routine and schedule and thatsort of thing is huge for me.
Like I said, I didn't thrive inlike school structure, but that
idea of structure, I need thatto feel like a person.
And it's wild how, like youknow, we know what the tools are
, we know what is good for us,but sometimes we just choose not
(34:14):
to use them and it's like I'llfall out of routine and then
it's like I'll fall.
I'll fall out of routine andthen it's like I go on a morning
walk with martha, do ameditation, take a workout, take
a shower.
Then I'm like, oh, I'm actuallyfine, nothing was wrong right,
he's back yeah you know, yes,that's their truth.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
So I would like to tell you it gets better in 20
years, but it doesn't.
I'm still the same way like I'mlike, I still have to, and part
of it is like we've created.
It's a structure or a ritual wethat we created right, so we,
in theory, enjoy most of itright, because it's something
you want to do.
I think that's why we tend tothrive in these like created
(34:53):
routines.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I have a question.
I can't wait.
What is a piece of advice thatyou wish you would have had at
my age?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Don't waste your money on stupid shit.
Okay, wow, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well yeah, I think mine was a little different
because again, I was pregnantwith Cameron or just had him,
and then getting diagnosed withtype one diabetes.
So it was a whole bunch ofdifferent things all at once.
I think maybe well, it mighthave been maybe not to take
(35:35):
things so seriously, Becausewhenever you're underneath those
kind of like circumstanceswhich again were self-imposed,
except the diabetes thing thatwas, I pulled a luck card on
that one, but I think that itforced you into a place where
you just have to be so focusedon.
(35:56):
I don't know that success isthe right word, but achievement,
like you have to push, it'salways a push, and so there's no
room for really like fun orother types of I don't know that
enjoyment's the right word, butyou just have to stay so
focused, for at such a young agefor such a period of time, that
(36:20):
there wasn't a lot offlexibility, and so it would
have probably been not to takethings so seriously, but I don't
, I can't think of I couldprobably have loosened up some,
but I don't know how that wouldhave.
I don't also know how thatwould have worked, but I don't
know how that would have.
I don't also know how thatwould have worked.
But that's just kind of that'sthe I don't know that would be
(36:42):
it, because I was pretty tired.
I got, I think even after that,more tightly wound after I got
into my career and intoadvancing like education, and
you know what I mean.
You're trying to make a namefor yourself.
You're trying to like you knowwhat I mean, Like be this big
thing, and I mean right.
Obviously none of that'snecessary right now because I'm
(37:03):
a substitute yoga teacher and dohobby podcast, thankfully to my
husband.
But I don't know.
I think that that winding ofthat rope got really tight
during that time and it's reallychallenging to unwind it now,
20 years later.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, I could totally see that for you.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, that's a very hard line to draw of, like, how
do I take myself seriously andthe things in my life seriously
enough to you know, care aboutthem and be good at them and
excel at them, but alsounderstand that, like almost
nothing is personal and like 99of things are not actually about
you when they feel like theyare?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be.
This might sound super cliche,but I think, too, like just
believing in that you can trulyachieve anything if you're
willing to work for it.
I truly believe that's anythingin life, that you can achieve
it if you're willing to work atit and make decisions that align
with whatever it is.
(38:05):
But just like that belief inself you know, I was never quite
sure of myself like I am now.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
That comes with age, I'm sure.
Yeah, I feel like that couldalso tie into the question you
asked about what could parentsdo to encourage their kids to be
themselves.
Is that right there?
Just instill the belief that ifyou work hard enough at
anything, you can probablyachieve it.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, and that it may look differently than what you
thought it would.
Being open to that and thatexcitement of what you know,
there's so many possibilities.
I love to hear people's storiesor especially people that have
been around a long time, like intheir 60s like how they got to
it.
You know, some people have somefascinating stories and if you
don't take the opportunities asthey come to you in life, you
(38:55):
know you may miss out on like ahuge part of your story.
Whatever it is and like youknow I think it's so it's.
There's like a confidence thatcomes in just knowing that, like
it, it all works out in the endthe way it's supposed to for
most people.
I won't say that for everybody,but for most people it does.
I mean bad things are going tohappen.
(39:16):
That's life.
That's a guarantee in life.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Looking forward to it .
Speaker 1 (39:21):
You're going to experience a hardship, but I
don't know.
There's some resolve in me nowthat I'm like throw it.
No, I'm not saying thatuniverse, don't throw it at me.
I overlook a very sereneoutside.
I'm always like talking to theuniverse right here from my desk
(39:41):
Like I'm just kidding.
But you know, I feel like wecan handle anything and I
definitely didn't feel that wayat 20 years old.
I'm still calling my mom everyfive minutes.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Or overconfidence doesn't really do you much good
either.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I would also say that it's not always the most
helpful beast, so there'sbalance, for sure, but before we
wrap it up, I have to know whatdoes a day in the life of a 20
almost 21 year old musician inAustin Texas look like it
(40:15):
depends, but I usually get uparound, yeah I usually get up
around like 8, 30 or 9 ish.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'll walk my dog martha and I'll do a meddy.
That's what I call it.
I call it my meddy.
My girlfriend and I were like,did you do your meddy today?
Okay, are you ready for yourmeddy?
Um, so I do writing sessions,help people write their songs,
production for people.
If I'm not doing that, I'mdoing production for myself.
So I'm either writing songs orrecording songs that I've
written.
(40:44):
I also play in multiple bands,so I do instrumentation for that
sort of thing.
I have my band, so we havepractice every week and I try to
keep things tight with that.
If we have a show, I usuallytry to knock out most of my
(41:09):
responsibilities before likethree that day, then just chill
out and focus on the show and bein a good headspace for that.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So it depends on the day day and it kind of means
having your hand in a lot ofdifferent pots, I think, but in
general I'm I'm getting to becreative pretty much all day,
every day, which is and you haveto be flexible, right, certain
things, like I'm sure, come upand you can't do, maybe, what
you had on your schedule and solike I'm really impressed like
(41:35):
that you keep it all, keep itall flowing, and I'm sure there
are days you miss a mark, butlike, just in general, that's a
lot of things to keep a lot ofballs in the air.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, and it's hard because they all require a
different type of focus andmental energy in a different
part of your brain, but I loveall of it.
I love music so much that Ijust want to know everything
about the process, from start tofinish, from practicing and
becoming a good musician andperformance to recording and the
(42:09):
technicalities that go intothat making a song, performing a
song, playing for a liveaudience Just all of it.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I just love it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
It's so cool.
He's such a stud.
Yeah, yeah, watching his videosand uh clips on instagram, it
is just such a I mean stagepresence, like you just
commanded, and it is so amazingto see.
I cannot wait to see it live.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'm going to be in the front, like just I need
y'all to come out to a showthat'd be so fun I know I
actually am thinking about doingthe austin half marathon.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I think it's in february.
Maybe we could.
Okay, sarah, look at ourschedules, here we go.
That'd be an excuse to go toaustin that's just pulled a
bunch of like races we couldlook at.
There's something else.
I was just going to ask you.
Oh no, I wasn't going to askyou.
I did a little snooping on yoursocial media.
I think you have a girlfriend.
(43:08):
I think you just mentioned yousaid girlfriend, I dig her voice
, man.
She's got a beautiful,beautiful voice.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, I know, I just had to tell you that.
Yeah, she went to Governor'sSchool for the Arts in high
school and sang all her life,but studied opera through that
period and she's an amazingsongwriter and we have a lot of
chemistry musically too, whichis really cool.
So whenever she's here, we workin the studio and I'm helping
her finish some of her songs uptoo, so that she can get some
(43:38):
stuff out, because I'm likepeople need to hear this.
You're so good.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Well, let us know when it's ready.
I would love to listen to someoriginal stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
And I'm working on my album right now, so trying to
get that that's kind of takingover a lot of right now.
That that's kind of taking overa lot of right now.
I'm trying to take a little bitof a break from uh shows until
like january I should justreally try to focus on locking
myself in here and justfinishing things get it done
cranking.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
What kind of album are you making?
Is it like your original songs,a concept album?
What do you got?
What do you got cooking there,seth?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
yeah, so they're.
So they're all original songs Ihave.
I mean, I have like probably 50songs written that I like.
So I've just kind of beencollecting all of those from
pretty much the time I movedhere two years ago to now and I
feel like I've weeded out somenow that I feel really, really
good and confident about.
(44:35):
I think I want that to be thealbum.
So I feel like it will bepretty wide ranging in terms of
style which I like.
I feel like especially a lot ofrecords from the 70s.
You'll have a rock song and afolky song and you have a slow
acoustic song and you might havea funk song.
So I want to just have all ofthat song and you might have a
(45:00):
funk song.
So I want to just have all ofthat, all of those different
things, but still beingall-encompassing and feel like
me and almost feel like you'rein here with me.
Oh, that's so cool yeah, um,yeah my favorite thing in the
entire world to do it.
It's hard, though, because youknow the fun part is bringing a
song to life, and afterwardscomes a lot of work and like a
(45:25):
lot of code cracking and a lotof like driving yourself crazy.
So it's so, so fun and sofulfilling and rewarding and
just like get completely lost inyour own little world.
Writing a song, finishing asong, maybe I'll pop it into my
computer real quick, and then Ijust get lost, like layering
different instruments and stuff,and then it's like, okay,
(45:48):
that's the demo I need to make,like the real version that will
be on Spotify, and it's like,damn, that's when the work comes
, when I kind of just want toget lost, like making more songs
, so trying to balance all thosethings.
It's it's hard to finish stuffsometimes, but I'm finally
finally creeping up on somethings that I'm really, really
excited for people to hear about, and stuff that we've been
(46:10):
playing live at the shows, butthat's not out yet gosh, how
cool.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
I can't wait.
My husband, jeff, is going tobe so pumped to hear all of this
.
He's going to be your biggestfan, I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I love Jeff.
I love Jeff.
I love Cameron.
I love your whole family.
I love Penny.
Everybody's so great.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Everybody loves Penny .
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Penny gets the shout out.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
The girl.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
All right, seth, where can we find you?
You can find me on all thesocial media things.
So Instagram, seth SeldronMusic.
I'll spell it for you, becausepeople have trouble
S-E-T-H-C-E-L-D-R-A-N.
S-e-t-h-c-e-l-d-r-a-n.
Instagram, tiktok, all thatstuff, and then on Spotify,
(46:58):
itunes Apple stuff, and then onspotify, itunes, apple music,
youtube, wherever you listen tomusic.
Um, seth celdron c-e-l-d-r-a-n.
We got about eight songs out,but I'm hoping to get more this
year.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
That's the goal and we're gonna meet in person this
year.
I'm gonna put that as one of mygoals of 2025 please, let's do
it, we'll do austin I got allthe mics.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I got all the mics, all the cameras.
We can do a podcast in here,live in stew oh wow, that'd be
so fun, so cool yeah, let's doit.
Let's do it.
I'm in.
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
This was so fun I know I see a recurring guest
spot here.
I just didn't want to throwthat out.
I feel like like I'm digging it.
I feel like I know you, eventhough I don't really.
So this is quite fascinating tome.
I'm fascinated that you've hungwith us this long, more than
anything.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yes, oh, it's great.
I mean I love this gig and Ilove.
I mean, like you said, you feellike you know me, I feel like I
know so much about you Probablymore than you know about me.
Way about you, probably morethan you know about me, way more
than you probably want to know.
There have been a couple timeswhere I'm like I never thought I
would hear Cameron's momtalking about this, but hell
(48:04):
yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Right, Exactly, I know.
And those are those days whereI text you and I'm like Seth I'm
so sorry, but we're talkingabout sex, or we're talking
about X, Y and Z, and I'm likeJesus Christ.
This kid was five and in myhouse, what am I?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
doing.
Hey, it's how we all got here,ain't no?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
reason to hide from it.
I know God bless them.
Well, seth, I love you Justlike you're one of our own.
Here come the tears.
I know it's just.
I know it's.
It's.
Very rarely do I ever cry, butwhenever I do, it's always about
like the people in my life andit's on this damn show, God.
(48:41):
No, but seriously, I mean justto see how beautiful your life
has been and become and the factthat I know that you're doing
what you want.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
You're making me cry too, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
He's coming home for the holidays, I think.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, I love you.
I got to see you at Christmasand yeah, maybe we'll have some
overlap at Christmas.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
We'll be home next week.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Please, I'll be there .
I'll be here.
I'll be here till the 28th.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
So finally I'm in town.
You're globetrotting somewhere.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
I know I know I know.
Well, yeah we're, we're hometill the 28th.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
So that's the plan, awesome?
Well, I'll definitely make you,because I love, I love all you
guys.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Oh, we do too Well.
Thank you so much for sharingyour spirit, your song and just
everything with us.
We really, really, really,really appreciate it and just
everything with us.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
We really really really really appreciate it.
Until next time, Live Listlisteners, we out.
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