October 2, 2024 • 37 mins
Have you ever wondered what it takes to be recognized as one of Golf Digest's Best Young Teachers? This solo episode of the Measured Golf Podcast gives you an inside look at my personal journey to earning that accolade. Embarking on this path wasn't easy, especially running Measured Golf, an independent facility without the luxury of a built-in customer base. The unwavering support of my wife, Buffy, and the collaborative push from my business partner, Paul, and trusted advisor, Aram Kushigian, have been essential in overcoming these challenges. Their belief and partnership have allowed me to focus on what I love most—coaching golf and making the sport accessible to everyone.
Rediscovering my passion for coaching has been a journey fueled by continuous learning and teamwork. I share how collaborating with industry professionals like Aram Kushigian from Smash Factor Performance has elevated our approach, aligning strategies to enhance clients' physical and golf skills. This episode also touches on the importance of understanding human biomechanics and how our offseason in Michigan serves as the perfect opportunity for players to grow and prepare. My unexpected partnership with Aram, forged amidst the pandemic, further exemplifies the power of building strong relationships within the golf community.
Transitioning from a prestigious career to follow my passion for golf coaching was a leap of faith, but it has been worth every risk. The financial strain of acquiring advanced tools like force plates and the quest for more affordable coaching resources highlight the challenges faced by coaches today. Join me as I express gratitude to all who've been part of this journey, and reflect on our shared mission to grow this incredible game by breaking down barriers and fostering enjoyment for all.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello and welcome to another episode of the Measured
Golf Podcast.
It's been a great season so far.
I believe we are now on episodefive and we've had four amazing
guests to date.
And this week I'm actuallygoing to be going solo for the
first time in quite some timeand, to be honest, it's so much
more fun when we do have guestsonto the podcast because it
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becomes much more conversational, and I think that as a listener
it's always better to kind ofbe the fly on the wall in a
conversation than it is to feellike somebody's talking at you.
So that's why we like to do theguest.
It makes a little more fun and,I think, also makes quote
unquote better content for you,the listener.
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So, with that being said, thisweek going solo, one of the
biggest reasons that I wanted tokind of have a solo episode was
I was fortunate enough to benamed on the Golf Digest Best
Young Teachers list and I wantedto spend a little bit of time
kind of thanking the appropriatepeople that needed to be
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thanked.
And I'm not going to spend theentire episode just thanking
people because that would beterrible for people listening,
but I do want to spend a coupleof minutes and maybe share a
little bit, uh, of my story andhow we got here in the process.
But you know, it's tough to dothese things, uh, in terms of
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have a small business and workfor yourself.
Um, and the thing that's kindof interesting, and if you don't
, if you've never been tomeasured golf, you may be
unaware of this, but measuredgolf is a standalone facility,
meaning that we don't, uh, alignwith a golf course or a driving
range or anything like that, sowe don't have natural foot
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traffic, we don't have acustomer base that's built in
for us, like at a country clubwhere there's membership that's
looking to do things at the club.
Uh, people come to us because,you know, we help them play
better golf and even if, uh, youknow, even if they don't play
the best of golf, they'replaying better golf.
And that's always relative tothe individual.
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And that's what I thinkmeasured golf does really well
is we try to take everything asan individual case.
But you know the the route we'vetaken and being independent and
not just kind of doing what'sbeen done before, um has been,
it's been a struggle at times tobe perfectly honest and for us
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to, you know, kind of finallysee some recognition from the
industry.
Uh, it makes, makes you feelgood, makes you feel proud,
makes you feel like you're beingrecognized for your hard work.
So I just really want to makeit clear that you know there are
just as many people left offthe list that are put on the
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list, that are equally qualifiedand should be on the list and
do amazing work day in and dayout.
And you know I've beendefinitely critical of the list
in the past and you know I don'tthink they're perfect and I
don't think any list could beperfect.
So I think you have to kind oftake the best approximation and
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I know that they definitely dida little more thorough searches
here.
They've added excuse me,they've added quite a few more
names.
It's not just 40 under 40.
I think there's, you know, 150,some 159 maybe on the young
teacher list.
So it's a little more broad inscope.
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But I think that that kind ofspeaks to the growth of the game
and how many people are new tothe game that have recently
joined because of, you know, theCOVID golf wave or whatever you
want to call it.
But I think that there's a lotof people out there that are
coaching golf in a verymeaningful and significant way
for their clients and it's abummer that they go unnoticed.
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But, you know, this year was ourchance to go noticed and it
feels great and I'm superappreciative because, for me,
I'm just doing what I do without, you know, daily thought about.
You know what does this mean?
Am I going to get recognized?
Am I going to, you know, beperceived in my industry as
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being good at my job?
You know I don't think aboutthose things on a daily basis,
but when something like thishappens, you kind of sit back
for a moment and think about howyou got here.
And it's just, you know, for megot here, and it's just, you
know, for me it's.
It's really been about learninghow to be part of a team.
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And there's an incredible teamaround me.
Uh, my wife, uh, buffy isamazing.
She's a great partner.
I can't say I mean I couldspend, you know, a whole season
talking about how great I thinkshe is.
Um, but she knows that and Itry to tell her frequently.
But you know, you gotta havesomebody who believes in the
dream with you.
And when I came home one dayand was like, hey, I think I
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want to do this full time and Iwant to try to be the best
version of a golf coach that Ican possibly be.
You know she never once askedme about the mortgage or
anything.
She just was like, all right,babe, let's, let's do what we
got to do.
And you know, for us it wasmaking a big sacrifice, cashing
in a 401k and kind of likecommitting myself to learning as
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much as I could about the golfswing and ballistics and the
human anatomy and biomechanicsand all all these crazy things
that I've learned along the way.
But you know she was rightthere supporting me and most of
the time and still, you know,most of most of what we live off
of is is what she brings to thetable.
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So I'm just super, superappreciative of her in every way
and would be remiss if I didn'ttalk about her because she's
kind of the silent partner toMeasured Golf and she really
helps keep me motivated andkeeps me moving forward and I
love her for that.
So, speaking of people, I lovemy business partner, my actual
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business partner, paul.
We see his wife Randy, we see.
You know I literally would notbe in business without those
people.
I just wouldn't like I had abad business relationship, slash
partner in the beginning.
That didn't work out well andliterally at the end of that
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measured golf was pretty muchfinancially insolvent.
And what they did was they, youknow, kind of helped me pick up
the pieces and, more importantly, helped me find my confidence
and get back to chasing thatdream that I talked about, kind
of telling my wife about uh,which was, hey, I just I want to
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get you know as good as I canbe at helping people play better
golf and you know they really,you know Paul has been, you know
, a client of mine for severalyears but you know Paul really
sees that vision, uh, and he'sseen the success stories and
he's seen the development andthe growth and now the
recognition.
And you know he was a veryearly investor in me and I, you
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know, I just really appreciatehaving a business partner that
is willing to play the long gameand is willing to kind of see
the vision and let me kind oflearn what I have to learn to
continue to grow, kind of learnwhat I have to learn to continue
to grow, because it's that'sreally what it's about is, if
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you're going to be a coach, youknow you can never stop learning
and the thing that I love somuch about working with young
people is that they kind offorce you into learning and
staying a little more currentand trying to keep up with them
a little bit.
So you know, I'm super, supersuper thankful for Paul Brandy
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and, you know, working, havingthem believe in me enough to
where I can go out and work withyoung people who motivate me to
get better because they askbetter questions, work with
young people who motivate me toget better because they ask
better questions.
You know, there's no doubtthese young people have access
to more information early on and, believe it or not, they they
don't just sit on TikTok all day.
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You know, some of these highachieving young people, you know
, are going to do some researchand look into some of the topics
that we discuss in the courseof a golf lesson to come back
with some pretty excellentquestions.
So you got to be prepared,you've you've got to uh, you got
to stay up with it, and that'sreally been kind of what I've
tried to do is really educatemyself thoroughly on the actual
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subject matter and not justlooking at it from a golf
perspective, but looking at itfrom a uh, you know,
biomechanics human level.
Uh, what do human beings do?
What can human beings do?
Um, not just confining it towhat have people done in the
past.
Um, you know, I I just thinkthat there's nothing wrong with
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studying and understanding whatgolfers from the past did.
However, we have to realizethat that doesn't mean that's
the best we can do as a species,and that's kind of how I like
to think, and I would like tocreate more tiger woods and not
have it be to where one personwas so much better.
But how do we make the nexttiger?
And, and how do we even try toat some point go farther than
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that?
So those are like the questionsthat really kind of keep me up
and inspire me and keep me going.
Uh, but it takes, like I said,a team.
And you know Aram Kashigian, uh,from smash factor performance,
our in-house trainer at measuredgolf.
You know, dude, the successthat guy has, whether it's, you
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know, baseball, golf, whateversport uh, the impact that he has
on young people and regular agepeople uh is pretty tremendous
and talking about seeingwholesale changes in development
and it's just, it's reallyimpressive.
And I tell people all the time,you know if, if you're working
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with me from a golf standpointand you're also working with
Aram on your body, you're kindof getting a double dose,
because we both are kind ofcoaching motion and what we see
from a hey, this person movesreally well this way but is a
little bit, you know,constrained this way, and that's
the thing that we want toaccentuate, because that's where
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we're going to see the gain forthat person, not necessarily
just continuing to do thingsthey already do well or staying
away from things they don't dowell, because that's what an
assessment tells us to do, awayfrom things they don't do well,
because that's what anassessment tells us to do.
And the funny thing is is, youknow, aram has a very thorough
assessment, kind of processevaluation that he provides, as
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do I.
But really, you know, we don'tdiscuss those, discuss those
with one another, even thoughwe're treating the same client.
Discuss those with one anothereven though we're treating the
same client.
You know, we both kind of see ithow we see it and it's really
awesome how often, you know, Isee exactly what I need to see
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in the gym with him working withthat client to help kind of
accentuate what we're working onwith their golf skill and he'll
comment that the things thatwe're working on in the golf
lesson really accentuate whatthat person needs to do because
they don't move that way.
Well, so we're seeing thatthere's a lot of transference of
hey, we see it the same way,we're kind of going about it the
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same way, and I truly believethat that's because we don't
have telepathy, but becausewe're actually trying to coach
more of a motion instead of aposition based uh, good or bad,
quantitative kind of pitch restgolf swing or position based
golf swing and we're more orless trying to help people move
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their most effective andefficient way possible and and
doing that, it allows for themto create speed, it allows them
to create club face awareness,it allows for a lot of good
things to happen.
But you know, I think, um, ifyou're really serious about
improving you know, your golfgame, you know we're heading
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into the offseason.
Right now here in the state ofMichigan it's like 65 degrees
today, so fall is definitelykind of here or right around the
corner.
So you know a lot of peoplethis time of year are putting up
the golf clubs and you knowthey don't want to deal with the
leaves and whatnot.
But you know, for those of youwho are really adamant about,
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hey, I want to do something toget better at golf next spring.
I really think taking golflessons when you're not playing
and practicing regularly andyou're really not doing anything
fitness wise is not your bestinterest, and you're really not
doing anything fitness wise isnot your best interest.
It's going to be a verydifficult way to learn, uh, and
even more difficult way to kindof get enough reps necessary for
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the nervous system to kind oflearn the new pattern.
So what I think you could do,though and whether you do it a
lot or a little doesn't reallymatter, as long as you're doing
it is doing some fitness andmobility work, and it doesn't
have to be anything complex, itdoesn't have to be anything that
really cost a significantamount of money, but looking
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into some simple and and youknow foundational let's call it
kind of movement, uh stuff thatyou can find online, with not
necessarily stretching, but moreactivation type things, and
looking at creating biggerranges of motion, not so much
trying to just add raw strength,because, at the end of the day,
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ranges of motion of jointsegments is really what allows
us to swing the golf club fast.
It's not so much about bluntforce and you know it's a great
thing when you kind of cancreate both.
But for most of us that are outthere playing golf, you know
it's we're going to find waybigger gains when it comes to
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mobility than we are strength,and the mobility really creates
a stage for a lot of nice thingswithin the golf swing, like
creating a wider arc which givesus a little more face stability
, we could call it which isgoing to play out nice when it
comes to, like, controlling thegolf ball a little better.
So I think doing some mobilitywork, uh, is really really good
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stuff.
Activation over stretching, um,really, just like I said, if
you do it once a week, threetimes a week, seven times a week
, uh it's, it's going to be good, it's going to help and I think
that's something that us, uh,as in measured golf, having Aram
available to our clients, Imean it's just, it's amazing and
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it makes all the difference inthe world and you see that the
transformation with clientshappens way, way quicker.
So I want to thank Aaron man.
I mean quick story, like Ididn't know Aaron very well.
You know we, he kind of neededa home and I kind of needed him
and we kind of learned to loveeach other a little bit.
So I didn't know Aaron verywell and he had already moved
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into the space as we were kindof doing the build out and was
training and, uh, we weresupposed to have a couch
delivered, uh, to measure golf.
And you know, this is inNovember of of uh, I'm sorry,
this is in, uh, october of 2020.
And you know, the the pandemicwas kind of going on and uh,
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furniture deliveries, you know,were a little amiss and
basically we found out that likewe weren't going to have this
massive couch for our, like,lobby for opening day and I was
like, well, that's not going towork because we're going to have
people in here and we've got tohave some more for people to
sit.
So, uh, luckily, I hadremembered seeing like a couch
that looked pretty good at Ikea.
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So I drive up to Ikea with mywife and we find this couch.
It's like perfect and we stillhave to this day.
And I was like, how are wegoing to get it back to measured
golf?
Cause like I at the time I wasdriving a Honda Accord and uh, I
called Aram and like, yeah, man, I'll be there.
And like it takes probably 45minutes to get to Ikea from you
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know, ann Arbor, where we are,and I bet he was there within an
hour.
And it's like you just for thatguy to to kind of have my back
and help me out and uh to be theguy that he's been the whole
time.
He's been the same guy from dayone and I just I love him to
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death.
I think if you're uh anywhere inthe Ann Arbor area, I think you
should definitely check themout and uh let him help you.
And even if you're not in theAnn Arbor area, he can do some
like online stuff with you, uh,and definitely do some
programming, which I think he'sphenomenal at and does a very
good job.
And I know that gets thrown outthere a lot with programming,
but I really do think that theway he programs, based off what
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he sees, is excellent and reallyseparates him from a lot of
others.
So uh can't say enough goodthings uh about, obviously, my
wife and business partner, pauland Brandy, uh, and then
obviously kind of my uh, youknow, consigliere and uh Aram.
So you know, I just want tomake sure those people get
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credit, man, because you knowthey've all kind of invested in
me and taken a chance on me.
And you know I gotta be honestwith you.
You know it's taken me a longtime to kind of figure it out.
I've had the ability to helppeople, but you know there's
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helping people and then there'slike substantially altering
things for the better best todeliver maximum value to every
one of my clients.
And I'm not going to make anybones about it Uh, we're not the
cheapest place to go and get agolf lesson, and I'm very aware
of that.
Um, however, I believe that weprovide a very fair rate and we
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still deliver incredible value.
And that's kind of the the lineor the mark of deportation for
me, I guess, is that as long asI feel like I can deliver value
to the people that I'm fortunateenough to work with, then it
doesn't matter what I charge,and they're always going to be
there and a lot of my peoplehave been with me for a long
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time.
So it's it's just very, it'svery humbling, it's very cool
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no-transcript and leavescomments and likes, and you know
the same with Instagram.
You know anybody who has likedor anything.
I mean it all helps.
So I just wanted to have theopportunity to kind of say thank
you to the people that mean themost.
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I am not getting into any ofthe mentors and all of that
stuff because that would justtake forever, all of that stuff,
because that would just takeforever.
But you know, there's there'snot very many golf uh
instructors who are well-known,who I don't like, and generally
they're well-known becausethey've helped a lot of people.
So do I agree with the way theycoach or what they believe?
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Maybe not, but that doesn'tstop them from helping the
people they work with and Ithink that's really what's
important.
And if you're going to get intocoaching and you're getting into
it because, hey, I want to winthese awards and I want to be
recognized and all that, itdefinitely is a motivator and a
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driver, for sure.
But if it's the only reasonthat you're doing it, a, it's
going to be very hard to get onthe list and, two, it's really
it's not going to be thesatisfying endeavor that you
would hope it would be, in myopinion, and it's easy for me to
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say now.
But you know, I'm really proudof all the hard steps and I'm
probably prouder of the hardsteps that I've taken to get
here than I am.
The ones that came pretty easy,you know.
I hope if you're listening tothis episode you know you take
something away from it to where.
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You know I left a pretty goodthing to to get into coaching
golf because I really loved itand I've I've always loved it,
and when I wasn't doing it I wasjust miserable.
So I really really kind of madea decision, uh, to leave a very
good career that paid very welland came with a lot of prestige
.
But I left a very good thingfor me and my family to take an
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the ultimate, the ultimategamble.
And you know, luckily my wifewas crazy enough to believe in
me as well.
But we got there and, um, we'renot like all the way good and
all that's like we're not makingthat kind of money yet, but at
the end of the day, you know,we're able to continue to invest
in our business and that's whatmatters the most to me is that,
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you know, profit wise.
I don't, I'm terrible at makinga profit, at making a profit,
but I'm very good at figuringout a way to get us the force
plates we need and the track manwe need and the 3d motion
capture and everything else thatwe kind of use and more or less
need.
I'm very good at figuring out away for us to make sure we have
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that available, because, at theend of the day, measured golf I
hope, uh, my, my goal formeasured golf anyway is that we
move.
We move the needle forward.
Um, it's not so much about, youknow, I have no intentions of
franchising, I have nointentions of trying to hire
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more coaches and certifiedcoaches and and all of that Like
it's.
It's not about, you know,scaling this particular business
.
It's much more about, you know,using the facility as like a
test facility, uh, and then youknow, producing content that
hopefully uh allows people tounderstand the golf swing from a
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more human level, instead ofthis abstract golf positional
basis to where nobody agrees onanything.
Because I think we've triedthat for a long time and I think
what we've proven is that itjust doesn't work.
Um, the amount of change, theimprovement that I've seen out
of people who move away fromthis very positional based way
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of thinking to more of amovement based thinking, which
is kind of how I would describewhat I try to coach, uh and
believe in, which is really justa hodgepodge of a lot of things
.
But, you know, getting peopleto move better and then working
on the club seems to be a waythat people really see a lot of
improvement.
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Uh, the issue, honestly, withhelping people understand their
movement is really you need somekind of force plate or pressure
mat to really startunderstanding enough of the
whole picture to understandwhere you want to start diving
in and diagnosing and actuallytrying to create some change.
And that's, you know, it's beentough because once you get past
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pressure mats, the force platesget expensive very quickly.
Um, so I think that there'sreally been this barrier, um to
the industry.
That is hard for a lot ofcoaches that want to do a great
job and and want to, like, telltheir clients exactly what they
need to know.
But it's like, okay, how many$150 golf lessons do I have to
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give to pay off my $40,000 dualforce plates?
And it's like the answer islike well too many to pay a
mortgage on top of that splits.
And it's like the answer islike well too many to pay a
mortgage on top of that.
So I think that the barrier ofentry is really coming down and
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I think that there are a lot ofcompanies who are trying their
best to offer a reliablemeasurement tool at an
affordable price.
So I think it's going to getbetter as we go price.
So I think it's going to getbetter as we go.
And the fun thing is that Ithink what we are learning and
understanding and coaching froma force plate perspective, I
think we're only starting toscratch the surface and I think
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if there's more baselineinformation shared out into the
golf space that's goodinformation that's based on
things that have actually beenmeasured, then it should be
easier theoretically for thenext generation to start from
that point and move the needleeven farther.
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And at the end of the day, Ithink what we all want to do is
we want to find an easier way toenjoy the game of golf, and
I've yet to meet anybody whodoesn't equate enjoyment of the
game to shooting a perceived lowscore to their skill.
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And that's kind of why we playgames we want to do.
Well, I don't think anybodywould play a particular board
game where everybody loses everytime.
That sounds pretty awful.
So you know, getting golf to aplace to where there's less
barriers to entry and more goodinformation out there.
I think that only serves onepurpose, which is growing the
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game of golf, which, as a PGAprofessional, is kind of what my
Hippocratic oath is, if youwant to call it is to grow the
game.
So I love, I love the positionI'm in.
I'm very fortunate.
I'm very thankful of the peoplethat have helped me get here.
I love coaching, of the peoplethat have helped me get here.
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I love, uh, coaching.
It's definitely my uh, life'sdream and work and I kind of get
to do it every day.
So it's been very, very goodand, uh, I appreciate everybody
who supports and listens and Ijust wanted to kind of make sure
that, make sure that everybodyunderstands that.
You know I am appreciative ofthis.
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So you know, trying to fit thisinto a social media post would
be pretty difficult and Ithought, you know, hey, you know
we can kind of jump in here inthe middle of a great guest
lineup and, uh, make peoplesuffer through one episode with
just me.
So I appreciate you allowing meto kind of share a little bit
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of my thanks and my gratitudefor those that have helped me
with this.
You know, tremendous honor thatGolf Digest has bestowed upon
me, so I appreciate therecognition.
Uh, I definitely have spent alot of days thinking nobody
notices some of the stuff we do,but uh, you know it's, it's
great to see see a little bit ofrecognition from the industry.
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So with that I say thank youvery much.
Um, real quick, I thought itwould probably be remiss if I
didn't mention anything aboutthe most recent President's Cup.
So if you're still listening, Iappreciate that and I hope that
you're a real golf diehard andwere able to enjoy the
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President's Cup, because Ithought this year was
spectacular.
My assumption is that it'sprobably spectacular most years,
but most years the president'scup is going on and I kind of
tend to glance over it or missit a little bit.
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But you know, this year, uh,I've been a little bit under the
weather, as you can probablytell, and you know I was a
little more invested in andspent a little more time
watching, and man, what great TV.
Uh, I just thought, you know, Iwas a little more invested in
it, spent a little more timewatching, and man, what great TV
.
I just thought, you know, theinternational team really did
their best to kind of punchabove their weight, so to speak,
and the American team respondedreally well and I, really, like
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you know, I disagree stronglythat people don't like team golf
.
I think if you watch thePresident's Cup, I think if you
watch the Ryder Cup, if you kindof realize that you're watching
players that otherwise youwouldn't even be aware they're a
professional player and you'reinvested in that, I think that
proves that team golf reallymakes golf matter more and it
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allows for, you know, tom Kimand Sun JM and these other
tremendous players to befeatured.
And I think that what the tourreally has a problem with is
they don't really create stars.
You know, we have a star at atime, we have a Tiger Woods, we
have a Scotty Scheffler, but wedon't really have a way to
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create these household big namegolfers and we're generally
pretty limited in how many ofthese big name golfers there are
during any kind of period oftime.
But I think by introducing theteam aspect to it you can see
that it allows other players whomaybe react slightly
differently to that teamenvironment and maybe respond a
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little bit more positively tothat pressure.
It allows for them to berecognized for their great
ability.
And I mean, I know for a fact,tom Kim, if you're, you know,
watching golf on TV, youprobably know who Tom Kim is.
However, if you don't watch alot of TV, you probably didn't
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know who Tom Kim was and it'slike it.
Just it allows these guys whoare right on the periphery to
really kind of grab a piece ofthe spotlight and shine.
And I mean, let's face facts,you know, if you've been
watching anything with Q Schoolhere lately, these guys are
really good and, like, what ittakes to get on tour is absurd.
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So if we're talking about, youknow, players that are making a
President's Cup or a Ryder Cup,I mean you're talking about
really some of the finestplayers in the world at that
time in the world at that time.
So you know, being able to seemore of those people featured
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that obviously are great golfersanybody who's out there is
obviously a great golfer Uh, butjust getting a way, creating a
way for that you know, 50 to ahundred slot player in the world
to where they kind of get alittle bit of the spotlight and
have the opportunity to show offtheir personality and their
abilities to play golf, I thinkthat's great for the game and I
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think, once again, it's it'salso more inclusive and more
representative of what golflooks like globally and not just
what golf looks like here inthe United States looks like
here in the United States.
So, uh, really cool stuff inthe president's cup.
Uh, by the way, best logo ingolf, president's cup.
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Like the international team,like that's a good golf logo.
Like if you were going to say,hey, mike, you gotta like go buy
a new black sweater, causethat's you know, I'm wearing a
like a dark green today but Iwear a lot of black.
So like if you're like, hey,mike, you gotta go buy a new
black sweater.
Like I would like to have thatinternational logo because that
thing is sweet.
But the problem is is like theydon't win enough to where you
want to wear their logo.
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So it's kind of like being aCubs fan back in the day, if you
can remember that, before theywon the world series.
So, um, great logo team.
Uh played really, really well.
I don't feel so much like theinternational team lost as the
American team kind of did whatthey were supposed to do in one.
So you know, my hats off toboth teams.
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Cool stuff.
Uh, I thought it was definitelyworth mentioning cause I sure
enjoyed it and I think a lot ofpeople did as well.
So you know, I wouldn't be toosurprised if you see some more
college golf coverage in thefuture.
I wouldn't be so surprised ifyou start seeing some more like
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developmental type golf kind offeatured, because it seems like
you know, based off what I'veread, that the ratings for the
President's Cup were pretty good.
So it seems like there is likethis, even though I think the
ratings are down week to week.
I think that for these bigmoments, these big events in
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golf, there really is kind of aappetite for that from a
consumer's watching perspective,of a appetite for that from a
consumer's watching perspective.
So I think that these CapitalOne matches and these kind of
like one-off type events, like apresident's not a one-off but a
biannual president's cup typeevent, I think those things
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you're going to see them try tocreate more of, which they could
easily do with college events,because they tend to be singular
tournaments versus like aregular season and then the end
of the season.
So they could definitely do alittle more golf coverage when
it comes to that and I wouldn'tbe surprised if some of that
kind of comes on board down thefuture as everybody continues to
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search for more content to putout there to distract us all
from going out and practicingour five footers.
So, with that being said, uh,thank you very much for
listening.
I appreciate it.
Uh, I really do appreciate it.
It's not lost on me thatthere's a lot of people who
support what I do, and I hopeyou know that I do my best to
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try to honor that and try tomake sure that when we put
content out there, that it'suseful and relevant and, more
importantly, something you cando, or at least something you
can better understand, becauseif we're just putting things out
there to get recognition or toget clicks or whatever the case
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may be, uh, that'll be whenmeasured golf probably doesn't
exist anymore, because I won'twant to do that.
So, uh, I'm very fortunate to dowhat I do.
I love what I do.
I love learning, um, and Ireally appreciate everybody and
sharing their, their storieswith me.
Uh, because I learned, you know, and that's what it's about.
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And my peers, uh, my colleagues, my mentors, um, I learn every
day from them.
So, you know, I'm just superthankful because I think my
happiness is really derived fromlearning new things and
figuring out a better way to saysomething or a better way to
help somebody, or you know, whatmakes that clock tick is really
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what I'm interested in.
So I'm just fortunate that Ihave the opportunity to kind of
dive into that every day andkind of satisfy my weird, uh,
overthinking, analytical mind.
So, uh, thank you to everybody.
I do appreciate, you know,tuning in, watching, subscribing
, clicking, liking, all of it.
So thank you again, uh, andwith that said, uh, please, if
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So we have that out there foryou.
We've also had a lot oflisteners reach out and ask
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So thank you very much.
I appreciate everybodylistening and supporting and
we're going to get back nextweek to having great guests,
which I think is going to be alot of fun.
So I hope you enjoy the rest ofthis season and until next time
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, keep grinding.
Hello and welcome to another episode of the Measured
Golf Podcast.
It's been a great season so far.
I believe we are now on episodefive and we've had four amazing
guests to date.
And this week I'm actuallygoing to be going solo for the
first time in quite some timeand, to be honest, it's so much
more fun when we do have guestsonto the podcast because it
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becomes much more conversational, and I think that as a listener
it's always better to kind ofbe the fly on the wall in a
conversation than it is to feellike somebody's talking at you.
So that's why we like to do theguest.
It makes a little more fun and,I think, also makes quote
unquote better content for you,the listener.
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So, with that being said, thisweek going solo, one of the
biggest reasons that I wanted tokind of have a solo episode was
I was fortunate enough to benamed on the Golf Digest Best
Young Teachers list and I wantedto spend a little bit of time
kind of thanking the appropriatepeople that needed to be
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thanked.
And I'm not going to spend theentire episode just thanking
people because that would beterrible for people listening,
but I do want to spend a coupleof minutes and maybe share a
little bit, uh, of my story andhow we got here in the process.
But you know, it's tough to dothese things, uh, in terms of
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have a small business and workfor yourself.
Um, and the thing that's kindof interesting, and if you don't
, if you've never been tomeasured golf, you may be
unaware of this, but measuredgolf is a standalone facility,
meaning that we don't, uh, alignwith a golf course or a driving
range or anything like that, sowe don't have natural foot
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traffic, we don't have acustomer base that's built in
for us, like at a country clubwhere there's membership that's
looking to do things at the club.
Uh, people come to us because,you know, we help them play
better golf and even if, uh, youknow, even if they don't play
the best of golf, they'replaying better golf.
And that's always relative tothe individual.
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And that's what I thinkmeasured golf does really well
is we try to take everything asan individual case.
But you know the the route we'vetaken and being independent and
not just kind of doing what'sbeen done before, um has been,
it's been a struggle at times tobe perfectly honest and for us
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to, you know, kind of finallysee some recognition from the
industry.
Uh, it makes, makes you feelgood, makes you feel proud,
makes you feel like you're beingrecognized for your hard work.
So I just really want to makeit clear that you know there are
just as many people left offthe list that are put on the
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list, that are equally qualifiedand should be on the list and
do amazing work day in and dayout.
And you know I've beendefinitely critical of the list
in the past and you know I don'tthink they're perfect and I
don't think any list could beperfect.
So I think you have to kind oftake the best approximation and
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I know that they definitely dida little more thorough searches
here.
They've added excuse me,they've added quite a few more
names.
It's not just 40 under 40.
I think there's, you know, 150,some 159 maybe on the young
teacher list.
So it's a little more broad inscope.
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But I think that that kind ofspeaks to the growth of the game
and how many people are new tothe game that have recently
joined because of, you know, theCOVID golf wave or whatever you
want to call it.
But I think that there's a lotof people out there that are
coaching golf in a verymeaningful and significant way
for their clients and it's abummer that they go unnoticed.
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But, you know, this year was ourchance to go noticed and it
feels great and I'm superappreciative because, for me,
I'm just doing what I do without, you know, daily thought about.
You know what does this mean?
Am I going to get recognized?
Am I going to, you know, beperceived in my industry as
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being good at my job?
You know I don't think aboutthose things on a daily basis,
but when something like thishappens, you kind of sit back
for a moment and think about howyou got here.
And it's just, you know, for megot here, and it's just, you
know, for me it's.
It's really been about learninghow to be part of a team.
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And there's an incredible teamaround me.
Uh, my wife, uh, buffy isamazing.
She's a great partner.
I can't say I mean I couldspend, you know, a whole season
talking about how great I thinkshe is.
Um, but she knows that and Itry to tell her frequently.
But you know, you gotta havesomebody who believes in the
dream with you.
And when I came home one dayand was like, hey, I think I
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want to do this full time and Iwant to try to be the best
version of a golf coach that Ican possibly be.
You know she never once askedme about the mortgage or
anything.
She just was like, all right,babe, let's, let's do what we
got to do.
And you know, for us it wasmaking a big sacrifice, cashing
in a 401k and kind of likecommitting myself to learning as
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much as I could about the golfswing and ballistics and the
human anatomy and biomechanicsand all all these crazy things
that I've learned along the way.
But you know she was rightthere supporting me and most of
the time and still, you know,most of most of what we live off
of is is what she brings to thetable.
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So I'm just super, superappreciative of her in every way
and would be remiss if I didn'ttalk about her because she's
kind of the silent partner toMeasured Golf and she really
helps keep me motivated andkeeps me moving forward and I
love her for that.
So, speaking of people, I lovemy business partner, my actual
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business partner, paul.
We see his wife Randy, we see.
You know I literally would notbe in business without those
people.
I just wouldn't like I had abad business relationship, slash
partner in the beginning.
That didn't work out well andliterally at the end of that
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measured golf was pretty muchfinancially insolvent.
And what they did was they, youknow, kind of helped me pick up
the pieces and, more importantly, helped me find my confidence
and get back to chasing thatdream that I talked about, kind
of telling my wife about uh,which was, hey, I just I want to
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get you know as good as I canbe at helping people play better
golf and you know they really,you know Paul has been, you know
, a client of mine for severalyears but you know Paul really
sees that vision, uh, and he'sseen the success stories and
he's seen the development andthe growth and now the
recognition.
And you know he was a veryearly investor in me and I, you
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know, I just really appreciatehaving a business partner that
is willing to play the long gameand is willing to kind of see
the vision and let me kind oflearn what I have to learn to
continue to grow, kind of learnwhat I have to learn to continue
to grow, because it's that'sreally what it's about is, if
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you're going to be a coach, youknow you can never stop learning
and the thing that I love somuch about working with young
people is that they kind offorce you into learning and
staying a little more currentand trying to keep up with them
a little bit.
So you know, I'm super, supersuper thankful for Paul Brandy
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and, you know, working, havingthem believe in me enough to
where I can go out and work withyoung people who motivate me to
get better because they askbetter questions, work with
young people who motivate me toget better because they ask
better questions.
You know, there's no doubtthese young people have access
to more information early on and, believe it or not, they they
don't just sit on TikTok all day.
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You know, some of these highachieving young people, you know
, are going to do some researchand look into some of the topics
that we discuss in the courseof a golf lesson to come back
with some pretty excellentquestions.
So you got to be prepared,you've you've got to uh, you got
to stay up with it, and that'sreally been kind of what I've
tried to do is really educatemyself thoroughly on the actual
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subject matter and not justlooking at it from a golf
perspective, but looking at itfrom a uh, you know,
biomechanics human level.
Uh, what do human beings do?
What can human beings do?
Um, not just confining it towhat have people done in the
past.
Um, you know, I I just thinkthat there's nothing wrong with
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studying and understanding whatgolfers from the past did.
However, we have to realizethat that doesn't mean that's
the best we can do as a species,and that's kind of how I like
to think, and I would like tocreate more tiger woods and not
have it be to where one personwas so much better.
But how do we make the nexttiger?
And, and how do we even try toat some point go farther than
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that?
So those are like the questionsthat really kind of keep me up
and inspire me and keep me going.
Uh, but it takes, like I said,a team.
And you know Aram Kashigian, uh,from smash factor performance,
our in-house trainer at measuredgolf.
You know, dude, the successthat guy has, whether it's, you
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know, baseball, golf, whateversport uh, the impact that he has
on young people and regular agepeople uh is pretty tremendous
and talking about seeingwholesale changes in development
and it's just, it's reallyimpressive.
And I tell people all the time,you know if, if you're working
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with me from a golf standpointand you're also working with
Aram on your body, you're kindof getting a double dose,
because we both are kind ofcoaching motion and what we see
from a hey, this person movesreally well this way but is a
little bit, you know,constrained this way, and that's
the thing that we want toaccentuate, because that's where
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we're going to see the gain forthat person, not necessarily
just continuing to do thingsthey already do well or staying
away from things they don't dowell, because that's what an
assessment tells us to do, awayfrom things they don't do well,
because that's what anassessment tells us to do.
And the funny thing is is, youknow, aram has a very thorough
assessment, kind of processevaluation that he provides, as
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do I.
But really, you know, we don'tdiscuss those, discuss those
with one another, even thoughwe're treating the same client.
Discuss those with one anothereven though we're treating the
same client.
You know, we both kind of see ithow we see it and it's really
awesome how often, you know, Isee exactly what I need to see
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in the gym with him working withthat client to help kind of
accentuate what we're working onwith their golf skill and he'll
comment that the things thatwe're working on in the golf
lesson really accentuate whatthat person needs to do because
they don't move that way.
Well, so we're seeing thatthere's a lot of transference of
hey, we see it the same way,we're kind of going about it the
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same way, and I truly believethat that's because we don't
have telepathy, but becausewe're actually trying to coach
more of a motion instead of aposition based uh, good or bad,
quantitative kind of pitch restgolf swing or position based
golf swing and we're more orless trying to help people move
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their most effective andefficient way possible and and
doing that, it allows for themto create speed, it allows them
to create club face awareness,it allows for a lot of good
things to happen.
But you know, I think, um, ifyou're really serious about
improving you know, your golfgame, you know we're heading
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into the offseason.
Right now here in the state ofMichigan it's like 65 degrees
today, so fall is definitelykind of here or right around the
corner.
So you know a lot of peoplethis time of year are putting up
the golf clubs and you knowthey don't want to deal with the
leaves and whatnot.
But you know, for those of youwho are really adamant about,
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hey, I want to do something toget better at golf next spring.
I really think taking golflessons when you're not playing
and practicing regularly andyou're really not doing anything
fitness wise is not your bestinterest, and you're really not
doing anything fitness wise isnot your best interest.
It's going to be a verydifficult way to learn, uh, and
even more difficult way to kindof get enough reps necessary for
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the nervous system to kind oflearn the new pattern.
So what I think you could do,though and whether you do it a
lot or a little doesn't reallymatter, as long as you're doing
it is doing some fitness andmobility work, and it doesn't
have to be anything complex, itdoesn't have to be anything that
really cost a significantamount of money, but looking
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into some simple and and youknow foundational let's call it
kind of movement, uh stuff thatyou can find online, with not
necessarily stretching, but moreactivation type things, and
looking at creating biggerranges of motion, not so much
trying to just add raw strength,because, at the end of the day,
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ranges of motion of jointsegments is really what allows
us to swing the golf club fast.
It's not so much about bluntforce and you know it's a great
thing when you kind of cancreate both.
But for most of us that are outthere playing golf, you know
it's we're going to find waybigger gains when it comes to
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mobility than we are strength,and the mobility really creates
a stage for a lot of nice thingswithin the golf swing, like
creating a wider arc which givesus a little more face stability
, we could call it which isgoing to play out nice when it
comes to, like, controlling thegolf ball a little better.
So I think doing some mobilitywork, uh, is really really good
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stuff.
Activation over stretching, um,really, just like I said, if
you do it once a week, threetimes a week, seven times a week
, uh it's, it's going to be good, it's going to help and I think
that's something that us, uh,as in measured golf, having Aram
available to our clients, Imean it's just, it's amazing and
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it makes all the difference inthe world and you see that the
transformation with clientshappens way, way quicker.
So I want to thank Aaron man.
I mean quick story, like Ididn't know Aaron very well.
You know we, he kind of neededa home and I kind of needed him
and we kind of learned to loveeach other a little bit.
So I didn't know Aaron verywell and he had already moved
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into the space as we were kindof doing the build out and was
training and, uh, we weresupposed to have a couch
delivered, uh, to measure golf.
And you know, this is inNovember of of uh, I'm sorry,
this is in, uh, october of 2020.
And you know, the the pandemicwas kind of going on and uh,
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furniture deliveries, you know,were a little amiss and
basically we found out that likewe weren't going to have this
massive couch for our, like,lobby for opening day and I was
like, well, that's not going towork because we're going to have
people in here and we've got tohave some more for people to
sit.
So, uh, luckily, I hadremembered seeing like a couch
that looked pretty good at Ikea.
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So I drive up to Ikea with mywife and we find this couch.
It's like perfect and we stillhave to this day.
And I was like, how are wegoing to get it back to measured
golf?
Cause like I at the time I wasdriving a Honda Accord and uh, I
called Aram and like, yeah, man, I'll be there.
And like it takes probably 45minutes to get to Ikea from you
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know, ann Arbor, where we are,and I bet he was there within an
hour.
And it's like you just for thatguy to to kind of have my back
and help me out and uh to be theguy that he's been the whole
time.
He's been the same guy from dayone and I just I love him to
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death.
I think if you're uh anywhere inthe Ann Arbor area, I think you
should definitely check themout and uh let him help you.
And even if you're not in theAnn Arbor area, he can do some
like online stuff with you, uh,and definitely do some
programming, which I think he'sphenomenal at and does a very
good job.
And I know that gets thrown outthere a lot with programming,
but I really do think that theway he programs, based off what
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he sees, is excellent and reallyseparates him from a lot of
others.
So uh can't say enough goodthings uh about, obviously, my
wife and business partner, pauland Brandy, uh, and then
obviously kind of my uh, youknow, consigliere and uh Aram.
So you know, I just want tomake sure those people get
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credit, man, because you knowthey've all kind of invested in
me and taken a chance on me.
And you know I gotta be honestwith you.
You know it's taken me a longtime to kind of figure it out.
I've had the ability to helppeople, but you know there's
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helping people and then there'slike substantially altering
things for the better best todeliver maximum value to every
one of my clients.
And I'm not going to make anybones about it Uh, we're not the
cheapest place to go and get agolf lesson, and I'm very aware
of that.
Um, however, I believe that weprovide a very fair rate and we
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still deliver incredible value.
And that's kind of the the lineor the mark of deportation for
me, I guess, is that as long asI feel like I can deliver value
to the people that I'm fortunateenough to work with, then it
doesn't matter what I charge,and they're always going to be
there and a lot of my peoplehave been with me for a long
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time.
So it's it's just very, it'svery humbling, it's very cool
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no-transcript and leavescomments and likes, and you know
the same with Instagram.
You know anybody who has likedor anything.
I mean it all helps.
So I just wanted to have theopportunity to kind of say thank
you to the people that mean themost.
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I am not getting into any ofthe mentors and all of that
stuff because that would justtake forever, all of that stuff,
because that would just takeforever.
But you know, there's there'snot very many golf uh
instructors who are well-known,who I don't like, and generally
they're well-known becausethey've helped a lot of people.
So do I agree with the way theycoach or what they believe?
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Maybe not, but that doesn'tstop them from helping the
people they work with and Ithink that's really what's
important.
And if you're going to get intocoaching and you're getting into
it because, hey, I want to winthese awards and I want to be
recognized and all that, itdefinitely is a motivator and a
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driver, for sure.
But if it's the only reasonthat you're doing it, a, it's
going to be very hard to get onthe list and, two, it's really
it's not going to be thesatisfying endeavor that you
would hope it would be, in myopinion, and it's easy for me to
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say now.
But you know, I'm really proudof all the hard steps and I'm
probably prouder of the hardsteps that I've taken to get
here than I am.
The ones that came pretty easy,you know.
I hope if you're listening tothis episode you know you take
something away from it to where.
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You know I left a pretty goodthing to to get into coaching
golf because I really loved itand I've I've always loved it,
and when I wasn't doing it I wasjust miserable.
So I really really kind of madea decision, uh, to leave a very
good career that paid very welland came with a lot of prestige
.
But I left a very good thingfor me and my family to take an
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the ultimate, the ultimategamble.
And you know, luckily my wifewas crazy enough to believe in
me as well.
But we got there and, um, we'renot like all the way good and
all that's like we're not makingthat kind of money yet, but at
the end of the day, you know,we're able to continue to invest
in our business and that's whatmatters the most to me is that,
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you know, profit wise.
I don't, I'm terrible at makinga profit, at making a profit,
but I'm very good at figuringout a way to get us the force
plates we need and the track manwe need and the 3d motion
capture and everything else thatwe kind of use and more or less
need.
I'm very good at figuring out away for us to make sure we have
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that available, because, at theend of the day, measured golf I
hope, uh, my, my goal formeasured golf anyway is that we
move.
We move the needle forward.
Um, it's not so much about, youknow, I have no intentions of
franchising, I have nointentions of trying to hire
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more coaches and certifiedcoaches and and all of that Like
it's.
It's not about, you know,scaling this particular business
.
It's much more about, you know,using the facility as like a
test facility, uh, and then youknow, producing content that
hopefully uh allows people tounderstand the golf swing from a
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more human level, instead ofthis abstract golf positional
basis to where nobody agrees onanything.
Because I think we've triedthat for a long time and I think
what we've proven is that itjust doesn't work.
Um, the amount of change, theimprovement that I've seen out
of people who move away fromthis very positional based way
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of thinking to more of amovement based thinking, which
is kind of how I would describewhat I try to coach, uh and
believe in, which is really justa hodgepodge of a lot of things
.
But, you know, getting peopleto move better and then working
on the club seems to be a waythat people really see a lot of
improvement.
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Uh, the issue, honestly, withhelping people understand their
movement is really you need somekind of force plate or pressure
mat to really startunderstanding enough of the
whole picture to understandwhere you want to start diving
in and diagnosing and actuallytrying to create some change.
And that's, you know, it's beentough because once you get past
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pressure mats, the force platesget expensive very quickly.
Um, so I think that there'sreally been this barrier, um to
the industry.
That is hard for a lot ofcoaches that want to do a great
job and and want to, like, telltheir clients exactly what they
need to know.
But it's like, okay, how many$150 golf lessons do I have to
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give to pay off my $40,000 dualforce plates?
And it's like the answer islike well too many to pay a
mortgage on top of that splits.
And it's like the answer islike well too many to pay a
mortgage on top of that.
So I think that the barrier ofentry is really coming down and
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I think that there are a lot ofcompanies who are trying their
best to offer a reliablemeasurement tool at an
affordable price.
So I think it's going to getbetter as we go price.
So I think it's going to getbetter as we go.
And the fun thing is that Ithink what we are learning and
understanding and coaching froma force plate perspective, I
think we're only starting toscratch the surface and I think
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if there's more baselineinformation shared out into the
golf space that's goodinformation that's based on
things that have actually beenmeasured, then it should be
easier theoretically for thenext generation to start from
that point and move the needleeven farther.
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And at the end of the day, Ithink what we all want to do is
we want to find an easier way toenjoy the game of golf, and
I've yet to meet anybody whodoesn't equate enjoyment of the
game to shooting a perceived lowscore to their skill.
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And that's kind of why we playgames we want to do.
Well, I don't think anybodywould play a particular board
game where everybody loses everytime.
That sounds pretty awful.
So you know, getting golf to aplace to where there's less
barriers to entry and more goodinformation out there.
I think that only serves onepurpose, which is growing the
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game of golf, which, as a PGAprofessional, is kind of what my
Hippocratic oath is, if youwant to call it is to grow the
game.
So I love, I love the positionI'm in.
I'm very fortunate.
I'm very thankful of the peoplethat have helped me get here.
I love coaching, of the peoplethat have helped me get here.
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I love, uh, coaching.
It's definitely my uh, life'sdream and work and I kind of get
to do it every day.
So it's been very, very goodand, uh, I appreciate everybody
who supports and listens and Ijust wanted to kind of make sure
that, make sure that everybodyunderstands that.
You know I am appreciative ofthis.
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So you know, trying to fit thisinto a social media post would
be pretty difficult and Ithought, you know, hey, you know
we can kind of jump in here inthe middle of a great guest
lineup and, uh, make peoplesuffer through one episode with
just me.
So I appreciate you allowing meto kind of share a little bit
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of my thanks and my gratitudefor those that have helped me
with this.
You know, tremendous honor thatGolf Digest has bestowed upon
me, so I appreciate therecognition.
Uh, I definitely have spent alot of days thinking nobody
notices some of the stuff we do,but uh, you know it's, it's
great to see see a little bit ofrecognition from the industry.
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So with that I say thank youvery much.
Um, real quick, I thought itwould probably be remiss if I
didn't mention anything aboutthe most recent President's Cup.
So if you're still listening, Iappreciate that and I hope that
you're a real golf diehard andwere able to enjoy the
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President's Cup, because Ithought this year was
spectacular.
My assumption is that it'sprobably spectacular most years,
but most years the president'scup is going on and I kind of
tend to glance over it or missit a little bit.
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But you know, this year, uh,I've been a little bit under the
weather, as you can probablytell, and you know I was a
little more invested in andspent a little more time
watching, and man, what great TV.
Uh, I just thought, you know, Iwas a little more invested in
it, spent a little more timewatching, and man, what great TV
.
I just thought, you know, theinternational team really did
their best to kind of punchabove their weight, so to speak,
and the American team respondedreally well and I, really, like
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you know, I disagree stronglythat people don't like team golf
.
I think if you watch thePresident's Cup, I think if you
watch the Ryder Cup, if you kindof realize that you're watching
players that otherwise youwouldn't even be aware they're a
professional player and you'reinvested in that, I think that
proves that team golf reallymakes golf matter more and it
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allows for, you know, tom Kimand Sun JM and these other
tremendous players to befeatured.
And I think that what the tourreally has a problem with is
they don't really create stars.
You know, we have a star at atime, we have a Tiger Woods, we
have a Scotty Scheffler, but wedon't really have a way to
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create these household big namegolfers and we're generally
pretty limited in how many ofthese big name golfers there are
during any kind of period oftime.
But I think by introducing theteam aspect to it you can see
that it allows other players whomaybe react slightly
differently to that teamenvironment and maybe respond a
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little bit more positively tothat pressure.
It allows for them to berecognized for their great
ability.
And I mean, I know for a fact,tom Kim, if you're, you know,
watching golf on TV, youprobably know who Tom Kim is.
However, if you don't watch alot of TV, you probably didn't
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know who Tom Kim was and it'slike it.
Just it allows these guys whoare right on the periphery to
really kind of grab a piece ofthe spotlight and shine.
And I mean, let's face facts,you know, if you've been
watching anything with Q Schoolhere lately, these guys are
really good and, like, what ittakes to get on tour is absurd.
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So if we're talking about, youknow, players that are making a
President's Cup or a Ryder Cup,I mean you're talking about
really some of the finestplayers in the world at that
time in the world at that time.
So you know, being able to seemore of those people featured
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that obviously are great golfersanybody who's out there is
obviously a great golfer Uh, butjust getting a way, creating a
way for that you know, 50 to ahundred slot player in the world
to where they kind of get alittle bit of the spotlight and
have the opportunity to show offtheir personality and their
abilities to play golf, I thinkthat's great for the game and I
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think, once again, it's it'salso more inclusive and more
representative of what golflooks like globally and not just
what golf looks like here inthe United States looks like
here in the United States.
So, uh, really cool stuff inthe president's cup.
Uh, by the way, best logo ingolf, president's cup.
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Like the international team,like that's a good golf logo.
Like if you were going to say,hey, mike, you gotta like go buy
a new black sweater, causethat's you know, I'm wearing a
like a dark green today but Iwear a lot of black.
So like if you're like, hey,mike, you gotta go buy a new
black sweater.
Like I would like to have thatinternational logo because that
thing is sweet.
But the problem is is like theydon't win enough to where you
want to wear their logo.
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So it's kind of like being aCubs fan back in the day, if you
can remember that, before theywon the world series.
So, um, great logo team.
Uh played really, really well.
I don't feel so much like theinternational team lost as the
American team kind of did whatthey were supposed to do in one.
So you know, my hats off toboth teams.
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Cool stuff.
Uh, I thought it was definitelyworth mentioning cause I sure
enjoyed it and I think a lot ofpeople did as well.
So you know, I wouldn't be toosurprised if you see some more
college golf coverage in thefuture.
I wouldn't be so surprised ifyou start seeing some more like
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developmental type golf kind offeatured, because it seems like
you know, based off what I'veread, that the ratings for the
President's Cup were pretty good.
So it seems like there is likethis, even though I think the
ratings are down week to week.
I think that for these bigmoments, these big events in
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golf, there really is kind of aappetite for that from a
consumer's watching perspective,of a appetite for that from a
consumer's watching perspective.
So I think that these CapitalOne matches and these kind of
like one-off type events, like apresident's not a one-off but a
biannual president's cup typeevent, I think those things
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you're going to see them try tocreate more of, which they could
easily do with college events,because they tend to be singular
tournaments versus like aregular season and then the end
of the season.
So they could definitely do alittle more golf coverage when
it comes to that and I wouldn'tbe surprised if some of that
kind of comes on board down thefuture as everybody continues to
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search for more content to putout there to distract us all
from going out and practicingour five footers.
So, with that being said, uh,thank you very much for
listening.
I appreciate it.
Uh, I really do appreciate it.
It's not lost on me thatthere's a lot of people who
support what I do, and I hopeyou know that I do my best to
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try to honor that and try tomake sure that when we put
content out there, that it'suseful and relevant and, more
importantly, something you cando, or at least something you
can better understand, becauseif we're just putting things out
there to get recognition or toget clicks or whatever the case
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may be, uh, that'll be whenmeasured golf probably doesn't
exist anymore, because I won'twant to do that.
So, uh, I'm very fortunate to dowhat I do.
I love what I do.
I love learning, um, and Ireally appreciate everybody and
sharing their, their storieswith me.
Uh, because I learned, you know, and that's what it's about.
(35:29):
And my peers, uh, my colleagues, my mentors, um, I learn every
day from them.
So, you know, I'm just superthankful because I think my
happiness is really derived fromlearning new things and
figuring out a better way to saysomething or a better way to
help somebody, or you know, whatmakes that clock tick is really
(35:53):
what I'm interested in.
So I'm just fortunate that Ihave the opportunity to kind of
dive into that every day andkind of satisfy my weird, uh,
overthinking, analytical mind.
So, uh, thank you to everybody.
I do appreciate, you know,tuning in, watching, subscribing
, clicking, liking, all of it.
So thank you again, uh, andwith that said, uh, please, if
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you haven't already, go aheadand subscribe to this podcast.
Uh, you can subscribe to thisYouTube channel if you choose to
watch this on our YouTubechannel, which you can find by
searching Measured Golf onYouTube.
We have a ton of video contentthere unrelated to the podcast,
but tends to be a little deeperdive in the golf swing, which
(36:38):
tends to lend itself very wellto what people are looking for,
that listen to this podcast.
So we have that out there foryou.
We've also had a lot oflisteners reach out and ask
about working with myself ontheir golf game, and that is
definitely a possibility.
So if you head over to SkillistS-K-I-L-L-E-S-T.
(37:00):
If you head over to Skillistand you go find a coach and you
search my name, michael Dutro,I'll pop up there and you can
get ahold of me and select kindof what you want to do and we
can take it from there.
So if you're interested intrying to work on your golf game
a little bit and would like meto be the person to kind of help
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you with that, I'm flatteredand more than happy to help, and
you can find me by searching myname, michael Dutro, on the
skillet staff.
So thank you very much.
I appreciate everybodylistening and supporting and
we're going to get back nextweek to having great guests,
which I think is going to be alot of fun.
So I hope you enjoy the rest ofthis season and until next time
(37:42):
, keep grinding.
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