June 16, 2025 • 26 mins
This week on the podcast we're catching up with HOPE Kids Director, Kasey Cornforth, as she shares about some exciting new things happening at HOPE Kids and what it means to raise kids to be peacemakers and bridge builders with a heart for Jesus.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Meet Hope podcast, where we have
conversations about faith andhope.
Hope is one church made ofpeople living out their faith
through two expressions inperson and online.
We believe a hybrid faithexperience can lead to a growing
influence in our community andour world for the sake of others
.
Welcome to Hope.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hi everyone, Welcome to the Meet Hope podcast.
My name is Ashley Black and I'mexcited to be your host today.
I'm here with Hope Kidsdirector Casey Kornforth.
Hey, Casey, Hi, how are you?
I'm good.
How are you doing Good?
Excited, Are you lookingforward to summer?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I am.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I remember from a podcast we did a long time ago
that you love summer.
I do.
You talked about being a parentin the summer.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, it's my favorite time to just all the rules go
out the window.
Yeah, we sleep in.
We eat what we want.
We eat outside, I love it.
We go to the beach.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I love it.
It's great.
I'm very excited.
I feel like we're just startingto kind of get into summer
being like that for our family,because my kids are younger and
so yeah, once they hit likethree, four, then it changes for
sure.
Yeah, so today we're going totalk a little bit.
I asked you to do this podcast,or we'd been talking about
doing this podcast, and Ithought now would be a good time
(01:20):
because we've just wrapped up amessage series that Pastor Rick
preached called Close Enough toCare Weeks.
Talking about you know how muchit matters that we move closer
towards each other, even despiteour differences, or even if
people look different than us,or even if we're experiencing
the world in a different way.
That Jesus calls us to movetowards one another and
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specifically towards anyone thatis on the margins.
And it made me think about youand a lot of stuff that you guys
have been doing in Hope Kids,so I thought we could talk about
that today.
Starting with, you just didsomething really fun this past
Sunday.
What did you guys do at HopeKids?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So we had a guest reader come.
Her name was Starfire and she'sa local entertainer.
She goes to a lot of differentcommunity events.
She reads to children.
She's such a wonderful spiritand she's so bubbly and colorful
and just has so much joy in herheart for spreading love and
(02:20):
kindness to everyone, and shewas such a great fit for us to
bring in to talk to the kidsabout Juneteenth.
And that was our goal.
We wanted to do something funthis month to honor Juneteenth
and, to you know, betty, who'son our racial justice team, said
it's a celebration and we wantto make it fun and we want to be
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educating and we want, you know, the kids to learn something
and to take something specialaway about that day.
But we want it to be acelebration and we had, in my
time here, have not had a guestreader come in for the kids, so
it was something brand new andit went so well, it was so much
fun.
The kids were surprised andexcited.
(03:03):
We also had kids and parentsthat had helped us back in
January at our Martin LutherKing Service Day event.
We had made friends with acouple new families then and
they came back and came tochurch on a Sunday and joined us
for the reading.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Because they knew the guest reader was going to be
there.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, because they wanted to meet Starfire and be a
part of, you know, theJuneteenth celebrations.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
That's awesome.
Well, I came to pick up my kidand it was very joyful in your
kids' hallway and I love thatshe took the time to like
celebrate each kid as they leftshe like took time to like say
hi to them and she had like atreat for them which they love.
But everyone just seemed solike joyful in your wing
yesterday.
(03:46):
And even my five-year-old youknow, could come home and tell
me what he learned about and whythey celebrated so.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I love when that happens.
That's great.
That was our goal.
We wanted them to takesomething home, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I love that you guys were able to make that
happen and and it kind of tiesinto something you've been doing
with Hope Kids.
Starting in January of thisyear, you started doing a
cultural awareness newsletter.
Is that right?
Yeah, so tell me a little bitabout why you decided to make
that part of Hope Kids.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It meant a lot to me to bring something new like this
to the ministry and over thelast year or so I had made a
great connection with Lori andBetty from Hope's racial justice
team and my initial meetingswith them.
It was about connecting, toredo some of the events that we
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do here at Hope and my thinkingbehind that was to make the
events a little bit moremeaningful, to have a greater
purpose of community connectionsand getting Hope out into the
community.
And we met to talk about theMLK service days and then the
friendship just kind ofblossomed from there and Lori
and I talked for over an hourwith all these ideas that we had
(05:02):
and things that we could do.
And that's really where thenewsletter was born and we
wanted to cover more than justyou know, racial justice.
We wanted to go into otherareas you know, family structure
, neurodivergency, things likethat and really highlight events
and needs and celebrations inthe community throughout the
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whole year of different groups.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I love that and because you can see that and I
know this is something we talkedabout you're sending out in an
email, but you also can see that, you know, kind of trickling
out in other ways, like thisevent you just did on Sunday for
Juneteenth, or how even withHope in Motion, like the
inclusion classrooms that aremeant to support students with
maybe more neurodivergent needs,and so that's all been really
exciting to see.
(05:46):
As a parent, I am thrilled byit.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So thanks for what you're doing.
It's exciting and we've had alot of great feedback from
parents.
You know that first month andthen even just this last month,
I'm hearing from new people ofhow much they're enjoying the
newsletters, they're enjoyingthe communication.
So it's been a really cool, funthing and it letters.
They're enjoying thecommunication.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So it's been a really cool, fun thing and it's a
blessing to get to do.
I love that.
And something I love about theyou had kind of shared with me
when we were talking about doingthis podcast is the desire for
our kids and families to have abigger picture of this big, wide
, diverse world that God hascreated.
And, like whenever I had heardsomeone once talk about it, that
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if, even if you go all the wayback to the creation story right
, like God like made everythingthat God made, it is, it did not
all look the same or act thesame or was even created in the
same way, yeah, and like Ialways think about that when I
think about the value of beingaware of the diversity of our
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world, that like it goes all theway back to the beginning of
what God desires for us to beable to like see His entire
kingdom in all of its— Like Ithink about it, like in putting
on you, um, like when you go tothe.
So I wear contacts and glasses,do you wear either?
Okay, so this might not befamiliar to you, but when I go
to the eye doctor, they havethis machine and it has
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different lenses and you lookthrough it and he goes like one
or two yes, and it helps me seeclearer.
and so when I think about like,the more for me with my myself
in my grown-up life, the morethat I have sought to see a
clearer picture and a morebeautiful picture of God's
kingdom and God's world, it'sfelt like kind of like that
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machine where it's like, oh, itbecomes clearer.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh, I can see more.
Oh, I'm aware of more.
Yeah, when you go from theblurry to the, colors are more
vivid, you know, I'm aware ofmore.
Yeah, when you go from theblurry to the, the colors are
more vivid, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I know what you mean.
It's a really loose metaphor,but maybe it works.
No, it does work.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It works.
I feel like he wanted hiskingdom to be colorful and to
not be the same and, like yousaid, it does.
It goes right back to creationand our community here is the
same way.
You know we're.
We're made up of so manydifferent styles of families and
we all have different thingsthat we bring to the table and
to be able to, you know, welcomethat in and to find ways to
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celebrate different groups wehave here and then in the
outside community.
I think is is really cool.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, so, um, so tell us a little bit about what the
the newsletter.
If I were to receive it in myemail, tell me a little bit
about what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Sure, so we try to include elements for the kids
and for the parents.
So the ones that we have doneso far there have been videos,
usually educational, fun, upbeatvideos that kids can watch with
the parents.
Everything that we try toprovide is very curated to be
safe for the children to watchalone, but also with the parents
.
Everything that we try toprovide is very curated to be
(08:46):
safe for the children to watchalone, but also with the parent.
We always want it to be like afamily thing that you're talking
about at the dinner table,you're watching together on a
Sunday night after church, andwe will include music or a
podcast recommendation, a book.
The one month I did and I had alot of people join me, which
(09:06):
was super fun.
I did it on the Holy Bible app.
I just subscribed to one of theplans and I invited people to
join me on it and I had a lot ofpeople join and read along with
me and it was yeah, Do youremember what plan that?
was.
I don't off the top of my head.
I could look it up, yeah, lookit up, yeah, and it really just
(09:28):
required a few minutes out ofthe day Like we want.
We don't want anything that weprovide.
You know we're very aware inthe kid's wing of parents' time
and their energy and anythingthat we're giving them.
We want it to fit in naturallyand make it feel like it's just
adding something like a blessing, not a stressor.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I love that because there is so much that feels like
you have to fit so much in ormake sure my kid knows this,
that, and make sure they knowall the things, and so I love
that intentionality.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, we always want to be mindful because we're
spread very thin.
You know the plan.
I just found it.
It's called we are all God'schildren and it's all about
embracing differences, which isexactly.
You know what we're talkingabout, and that one that we did
it was a seven day devotionaland I am looking to do more of
them.
That feels really accessible.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Seven days feels really accessible.
That's what I really like aboutthis newsletter that you have
started is it is like smallbites that, over time, build a
foundation.
Yeah.
Like it's not a lot that youhave to do at one time.
It's like it comes in and youcan go through it and watch a
video and you can learn a littlebit more and you can talk with
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your kids about a little bitmore, and it becomes like these
small, maybe smaller, everydayconversations.
That that is what becomes then.
It becomes like more, likeintegrated into your everyday
life, instead of it just beinglike one big thing.
Yes, one time, and then it'sdone.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yes, and that's something we've when we we've.
One of the conversations we'vehad around it is how can we
invite Hope's community to getout into the larger community,
and it's one of the great thingsthat we want to share.
You know these are local eventsthat are happening and if
you're able to make it, you knowif we can go as a group.
It's my goal one day to get agroup together and go, but I
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know even for myself, like mytime is very limited so I
haven't fully been able tocommit to that yet.
But you know, if you are ableto go just with yourself or your
spouse and your children, youknow there's ways that we can
take the information that'sshared.
You know, if it's a podcast,give it a listen, or a book, you
can read it as a family and,like you said, it only takes a
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few minutes.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And I know that, then you've also shared.
Not only have you started doingthis newsletter that comes out
a handful of times a year, butalso you've made it your goal in
Hope Kids to be a part of somemore local community events as
you're able, and I love thatbecause I think about myself as
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a parent.
It matters to me so much tomodel to my kid that I at least
believe that the part of beingthe church is that we go out
into the world, like it's notalways about getting everybody
to come to the church, but likethe church, like the physical
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church, but instead to be thechurch as in being human beings
who go out and live in the worldand interact in their
communities and show love intheir communities and show up
for their communities, and theonly way we do that is by
practicing it, and so I lovethat that's been part of
something that you've wanted tobe a part of.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, and it can be intimidating.
I get intimidated going intolarge groups, especially post
COVID, and I just get nervoussometimes going somewhere maybe
that I haven't been before.
But what I love about theenergy around a lot of these
events is that it's such an armswide open event, which is
exactly how Hope Church is Like.
Remember the first time I cameto Hope and walking in I was a
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little intimidated because it'sa big building, but you
immediately get such a welcomedlike big hug feel in the energy
and a lot of these events.
That's how, exactly how theyare.
You know, people are just happythat you're there.
They don't care what you'rewearing or what you're doing or
where you came from.
They just want to see you andthey want to celebrate.
And it's really such a joyfulthing.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I love that.
So what would you say tosomeone specifically around
getting involved in our localcommunity and going to community
events, whether it's aJuneteenth celebration or
something else that's going on?
What would you say to someonewho maybe is, like, like you
mentioned, maybe a little bitmore stressed about going to
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something for the first timethat maybe they wouldn't have
necessarily thought to go to inthe past, or they're nervous
about it, or what would you say?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I would say definitely, don't stress.
I would say say find, find theevent that works for you and
don't add too much pressurearound it.
You know, fine, like for mesummer's a great time because I
do unplug a little bit so I havea little bit.
You know, come july 1st I'llhave a lot of more, you know,
free time, so it's easy for meto fit it into the natural flow
of my family.
Um, if you're able to make aconnection, whether it's easy
for me to fit it into thenatural flow of my family, if
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you're able to make a connection, whether it's at a school or a
church and maybe have someoneyou can go with, I think that
helps and I've found that withLori and Betty.
You know like to have thatconnection, someone to talk to
and get a better understandingof it, even if they can't go
with you, but maybe get anunderstanding of the events
before you go.
So you know what you're walkinginto.
Um, that could be helpful andand I I've gotten the furthest
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with just it's it doesn't hurtjust to walk up and just say hi,
you know, greet someone with asimple hello, how are you doing
today?
You know we all have commonground somewhere.
Someone just has to make thatfirst move.
But the first move doesn't haveto be big, it's literally just
a hello.
You know, and I think a lot ofpeople these days don't take the
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time just to say, hey, how areyou doing today?
You know, and that can matterso much.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know, no matter what, who you are, where you
come from, yeah and yeah, I wasjust thinking, as you were
talking like humans.
I was thinking about how, ashumans, we are often creatures
of habit and of comfort and so,even if we really really care
about something, um, thephysical act of going and being
a part of it can like it'seasier to make up reasons.
(15:23):
Why not to?
Because it is outside of, maybe, your comfort zone, yeah and
like, but I, I don't know.
I think it is important for usto just have a heart of
curiosity and want to be alearner, and when you and I were
planning this podcast ortalking about what you wanted to
share, you said something abouthaving the heart and the mind
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of a kid.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I had said to you.
I say that, so my child, ifanyone has encountered them, if
they're part of the Hopecommunity, he like if there is a
kid within 20 feet of my son,he is like, hi guys, let's go
play, like he went.
They're already a thing.
And you and I were kind ofhaving this conversation around.
You know, and Jesus even likecalls us to.
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You know, have like a heart ofa child.
And so why do you think thatthat makes a difference in
something like this?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I think it makes a huge difference because adults
we do we get wrapped up in ourown minds about, you know, is is
what I say going to beperceived a certain way, or or,
or my acting appropriate or mysaying the right thing.
And kids don't think like that.
They're not wired to think likethat.
They, you know we joked when wetalked about it.
They jump into a cold pool andthey don't care that it's cold
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and they will freeze, and theywill shiver and turn blue and
they will, you know, they'lljust jump right in and and they
I love that mentality and thatspirit, you know, and I think
adults need to do that a littlebit more.
I think we need to put ourguards down and, like you said,
you have that heart and thatspirit of a child and think less
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about, because I think whenit's natural and it's coming
from your heart and it's comingfrom a good place, it's never
going to be offensive, it'snever going to be inappropriate,
and I think people will pick upon that.
I think most adults are smartenough to know when something's
being forced or fake or justmaybe has malice behind it.
Um, but they're like, I'mcurious about so many things and
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I'm really.
It's been a slow process, but Iam learning.
Just to say, I don't know whatthat is.
Can you explain it to me, youknow?
Or or tell me why this issignificant?
Because I wasn't taught thatbefore and I'm learning and I am
such a person I love to learn,I love to read and soak up
information, and no one getsoffended, and I've trialed it
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now and I have never met someoneso far, knock on wood, who's
been offended by me just beinghonest, and that's really what
it is.
You have to just have thespirit of a kid and be honest.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, and I love that .
You have to just have thespirit of a kid and be honest.
Yeah, no, I love thatno-transcript.
(18:13):
Um and I I know we had talkedabout um, the one other thing we
had talked about when I askedyou about why you wanted to
start doing more of these kindsof things, whether it's the
newsletter or events or localevents as part of Hope Kids um,
you had said that you know it'sa desire to prepare our kids to
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be peacemakers and to be bridgebuilders, and so did you want to
say a little bit more aboutthat?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, I think the timing is right.
You know, the world that wegrew up in you and I being
closer in age than what our kidsare growing up in is very
different, and we we have wehave seen so many different
sides of the world and our kidsare only seeing one way, which
is such a blessing, becausethey're growing up with so much
more love around, morespecialized group.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
To them it's normal, I think, whereas you know it's
normal to have to be differentor to have a difference, like
differences are normal.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, Like I think of kids on this autism, autistic
spectrum, and you know our kidsare going to school with them,
whereas I don't recall going toschool with kids who had that
many special needs or who needed, you know, special attention
from a teacher.
It just wasn't a thing that Iwas exposed to.
Um, my kids I have a child onthe spectrum and I also have,
you know, my kids are aroundthem and they're so nurturing
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and they're so welcoming, and soI think, like you said, they're
already the bridge builders andthe or the, you know the
connectors, and they alreadyhave such peace in their hearts
around issues that maybe usolder folks don't Um, so I just
think that being able to tie itin here at church and with the
faith community, and it's justthat extra layer of love that
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we're kind of surroundingeveryone with and you know our
kids are going to grow up andthey're really their world is
going to look beautiful.
I know it is.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I love that, I love that, that your hope for that.
I mean, I have the same hopefor my kids too, and I think and
I feel like I'm sure everyparent has those kinds of hopes.
But that made me think about,I'm wondering so for you, your
kids are what ages?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So my kids are 11, 9, and 7.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So do you feel like this also started to bubble up
for you more as a parent becauseof the age they're at right now
?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yes, definitely.
They're asking more questions,my oldest especially.
They hear a lot of things atschool.
They see it on YouTube, which Ihave quickly learned to scan.
I will say I was a little naiveabout the YouTube a few years
ago, but I've learned because,kids are exposed to so much, so
quickly.
That's what I was thinking whenyou were talking about that.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
One of the reasons I'm grateful that you're
investing time in doing like anewsletter, like this, is that
there is so much out there andit can be hard to sift through
yes, very hard, and just havingplaces that you know you can
land that are about messages oflove and inclusion and kindness
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for your kids yeah it, it makesa difference.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yes, I think because Joe and I have such open
communication at home with ourkids and we've raised them to be
you know, to be questioners.
Yeah, they ask questions andwe've always given them a choice
and a place to, I guess, speakhome, and so they have no
problem coming home from schooland laying some stuff out there
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and I'm like oh Lord, I'm notready for this.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
We're talking about this right now.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, we're going there, you know, and we're
having these conversations and Iknow I rely so much on the
community here at Hope of youknow, going to different friends
in all areas here of okay, Iwas hit with this.
What do I say, you know, andhow do I respond to this?
And that's what I want.
The, you know, the goal of thenewsletter, too, is to be that
maybe for a parent like you know, if your child has a question
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about someone on the spectrum ora racial question or what is
you know what's going on here inthe world, or you know, you
could almost rely on this alittle bit and be like, oh, you
know what, I saw something on apodcast or a book, or, you know,
let's investigate this togetherJust gives you a place to start
, yeah, yeah, to be a resource.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
No, I love that.
Yeah, I love that for so manyreasons.
So if I was listening and Iwanted to make sure that I
didn't miss out on what'shappening in Hope Kids, or I
want to get this newsletter whenit comes in my inbox.
How do I make sure that I'mconnected?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
So I would say, sign up for the emails which you can
do at meethopeorg slash email ifyou already don't receive them.
Definitely check out our socialmedia.
Meet hope kids.
It's at meet hope kids on bothInstagram and Facebook.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's the same on both Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And then the best way is, honestly, just come see us
in person.
We would love to see you on aSunday.
You know we're right back inthe kids wing and room 100.
You can always pop your head inand say hello to a teacher, to
myself or Tracy hundred.
You can always pop your head inand say hello to a teacher, to
myself or Tracy Pastor Heather,and you know we would love to
you know, talk to you more.
You know in person aboutdifferent things that we're
doing and we're always open forideas.
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So if there's a need that yousee or an event that you see and
I have had a few reach outs,you know- via email which has
been lovely, Like I love whatyou're doing.
You know, here's this that I saw, so that's it's super helpful
because we're not always.
Sometimes we have to put alittle more work into see like,
okay, what can we find, and it'sfun, but I'm always, you know,
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in need of suggestions.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, Like you said, like we don't always know what
what we don't know or what's notin front of us, and so having
that's the beauty of a community, and and having a community of
people from all differentbackgrounds and walks of life is
that they're all going to bringsomething different and raise
awareness about it.
That you may not have learnedabout yet.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, and we would love to celebrate you, and you
know what you have to offer.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I love that and also.
This is an aside, but this alsomight be a convenient time for
you to mention what Hope Kidslooks like in the summer, if
anyone's listening.
Yes, so tell us.
If I were to come on a Sundaymorning.
What should I know about HopeKids?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the biggest thing to know is we do have a schedule
change.
So starting June 22nd we dropjust to one service for the kids
.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So the main church has 9 am Two services.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
yes, Two services 9 am 10.30.
Hope Kids will only meet at the10.30 service, okay.
So if you show up at the 9, wedo have busy bags which will
have fun stuff themed throughoutthe whole summer Great
Different stuff in there foryour kids.
You can pick up a busy bag inthe lobby or the worship space.
Yeah, but we'll meet at the10.30.
Okay, and we have volunteersthat come.
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We're always looking if youwant to try to come.
You know work with the kids andsummer's a great time for that
because we're a little bitlighter.
We don't have as many, you know, kids in the wings, so it's a
little bit calmer and it's agreat time to just shadow, check
out the wings, see what we doand, you know, hang out.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much, casey,for thank you for sharing today
for your heart for every kidthat's in Hope Kids and making
sure that every kid that walksthrough those doors feels seen
and heard and noticed and lovedin some way, no matter what they
look like or what their needsare.
(25:29):
So just thank you for makingthat such a core of Hope Kids
and we'll be following along tosee what you guys are doing next
.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, stay tuned, there's lots of fun stuff coming
.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
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Speaker 1 (26:09):
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Hope is one church made ofpeople living out their faith
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We believe a hybrid faithexperience can lead to a growing
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Welcome to Hope.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hi everyone, Welcome to the Meet Hope podcast.
My name is Ashley Black and I'mexcited to be your host today.
I'm here with Hope Kidsdirector Casey Kornforth.
Hey, Casey, Hi, how are you?
I'm good.
How are you doing Good?
Excited, Are you lookingforward to summer?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I am.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I remember from a podcast we did a long time ago
that you love summer.
I do.
You talked about being a parentin the summer.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, it's my favorite time to just all the rules go
out the window.
Yeah, we sleep in.
We eat what we want.
We eat outside, I love it.
We go to the beach.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I love it.
It's great.
I'm very excited.
I feel like we're just startingto kind of get into summer
being like that for our family,because my kids are younger and
so yeah, once they hit likethree, four, then it changes for
sure.
Yeah, so today we're going totalk a little bit.
I asked you to do this podcast,or we'd been talking about
doing this podcast, and Ithought now would be a good time
(01:20):
because we've just wrapped up amessage series that Pastor Rick
preached called Close Enough toCare Weeks.
Talking about you know how muchit matters that we move closer
towards each other, even despiteour differences, or even if
people look different than us,or even if we're experiencing
the world in a different way.
That Jesus calls us to movetowards one another and
(01:42):
specifically towards anyone thatis on the margins.
And it made me think about youand a lot of stuff that you guys
have been doing in Hope Kids,so I thought we could talk about
that today.
Starting with, you just didsomething really fun this past
Sunday.
What did you guys do at HopeKids?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So we had a guest reader come.
Her name was Starfire and she'sa local entertainer.
She goes to a lot of differentcommunity events.
She reads to children.
She's such a wonderful spiritand she's so bubbly and colorful
and just has so much joy in herheart for spreading love and
(02:20):
kindness to everyone, and shewas such a great fit for us to
bring in to talk to the kidsabout Juneteenth.
And that was our goal.
We wanted to do something funthis month to honor Juneteenth
and, to you know, betty, who'son our racial justice team, said
it's a celebration and we wantto make it fun and we want to be
(02:41):
educating and we want, you know, the kids to learn something
and to take something specialaway about that day.
But we want it to be acelebration and we had, in my
time here, have not had a guestreader come in for the kids, so
it was something brand new andit went so well, it was so much
fun.
The kids were surprised andexcited.
(03:03):
We also had kids and parentsthat had helped us back in
January at our Martin LutherKing Service Day event.
We had made friends with acouple new families then and
they came back and came tochurch on a Sunday and joined us
for the reading.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Because they knew the guest reader was going to be
there.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, because they wanted to meet Starfire and be a
part of, you know, theJuneteenth celebrations.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
That's awesome.
Well, I came to pick up my kidand it was very joyful in your
kids' hallway and I love thatshe took the time to like
celebrate each kid as they leftshe like took time to like say
hi to them and she had like atreat for them which they love.
But everyone just seemed solike joyful in your wing
yesterday.
(03:46):
And even my five-year-old youknow, could come home and tell
me what he learned about and whythey celebrated so.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I love when that happens.
That's great.
That was our goal.
We wanted them to takesomething home, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I love that you guys were able to make that
happen and and it kind of tiesinto something you've been doing
with Hope Kids.
Starting in January of thisyear, you started doing a
cultural awareness newsletter.
Is that right?
Yeah, so tell me a little bitabout why you decided to make
that part of Hope Kids.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It meant a lot to me to bring something new like this
to the ministry and over thelast year or so I had made a
great connection with Lori andBetty from Hope's racial justice
team and my initial meetingswith them.
It was about connecting, toredo some of the events that we
(04:40):
do here at Hope and my thinkingbehind that was to make the
events a little bit moremeaningful, to have a greater
purpose of community connectionsand getting Hope out into the
community.
And we met to talk about theMLK service days and then the
friendship just kind ofblossomed from there and Lori
and I talked for over an hourwith all these ideas that we had
(05:02):
and things that we could do.
And that's really where thenewsletter was born and we
wanted to cover more than justyou know, racial justice.
We wanted to go into otherareas you know, family structure
, neurodivergency, things likethat and really highlight events
and needs and celebrations inthe community throughout the
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whole year of different groups.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I love that and because you can see that and I
know this is something we talkedabout you're sending out in an
email, but you also can see that, you know, kind of trickling
out in other ways, like thisevent you just did on Sunday for
Juneteenth, or how even withHope in Motion, like the
inclusion classrooms that aremeant to support students with
maybe more neurodivergent needs,and so that's all been really
exciting to see.
(05:46):
As a parent, I am thrilled byit.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So thanks for what you're doing.
It's exciting and we've had alot of great feedback from
parents.
You know that first month andthen even just this last month,
I'm hearing from new people ofhow much they're enjoying the
newsletters, they're enjoyingthe communication.
So it's been a really cool, funthing and it letters.
They're enjoying thecommunication.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So it's been a really cool, fun thing and it's a
blessing to get to do.
I love that.
And something I love about theyou had kind of shared with me
when we were talking about doingthis podcast is the desire for
our kids and families to have abigger picture of this big, wide
, diverse world that God hascreated.
And, like whenever I had heardsomeone once talk about it, that
(06:28):
if, even if you go all the wayback to the creation story right
, like God like made everythingthat God made, it is, it did not
all look the same or act thesame or was even created in the
same way, yeah, and like Ialways think about that when I
think about the value of beingaware of the diversity of our
(06:51):
world, that like it goes all theway back to the beginning of
what God desires for us to beable to like see His entire
kingdom in all of its— Like Ithink about it, like in putting
on you, um, like when you go tothe.
So I wear contacts and glasses,do you wear either?
Okay, so this might not befamiliar to you, but when I go
to the eye doctor, they havethis machine and it has
(07:14):
different lenses and you lookthrough it and he goes like one
or two yes, and it helps me seeclearer.
and so when I think about like,the more for me with my myself
in my grown-up life, the morethat I have sought to see a
clearer picture and a morebeautiful picture of God's
kingdom and God's world, it'sfelt like kind of like that
(07:36):
machine where it's like, oh, itbecomes clearer.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh, I can see more.
Oh, I'm aware of more.
Yeah, when you go from theblurry to the, colors are more
vivid, you know, I'm aware ofmore.
Yeah, when you go from theblurry to the, the colors are
more vivid, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I know what you mean.
It's a really loose metaphor,but maybe it works.
No, it does work.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It works.
I feel like he wanted hiskingdom to be colorful and to
not be the same and, like yousaid, it does.
It goes right back to creationand our community here is the
same way.
You know we're.
We're made up of so manydifferent styles of families and
we all have different thingsthat we bring to the table and
to be able to, you know, welcomethat in and to find ways to
(08:13):
celebrate different groups wehave here and then in the
outside community.
I think is is really cool.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, so, um, so tell us a little bit about what the
the newsletter.
If I were to receive it in myemail, tell me a little bit
about what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Sure, so we try to include elements for the kids
and for the parents.
So the ones that we have doneso far there have been videos,
usually educational, fun, upbeatvideos that kids can watch with
the parents.
Everything that we try toprovide is very curated to be
safe for the children to watchalone, but also with the parents
.
Everything that we try toprovide is very curated to be
(08:46):
safe for the children to watchalone, but also with the parent.
We always want it to be like afamily thing that you're talking
about at the dinner table,you're watching together on a
Sunday night after church, andwe will include music or a
podcast recommendation, a book.
The one month I did and I had alot of people join me, which
(09:06):
was super fun.
I did it on the Holy Bible app.
I just subscribed to one of theplans and I invited people to
join me on it and I had a lot ofpeople join and read along with
me and it was yeah, Do youremember what plan that?
was.
I don't off the top of my head.
I could look it up, yeah, lookit up, yeah, and it really just
(09:28):
required a few minutes out ofthe day Like we want.
We don't want anything that weprovide.
You know we're very aware inthe kid's wing of parents' time
and their energy and anythingthat we're giving them.
We want it to fit in naturallyand make it feel like it's just
adding something like a blessing, not a stressor.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I love that because there is so much that feels like
you have to fit so much in ormake sure my kid knows this,
that, and make sure they knowall the things, and so I love
that intentionality.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, we always want to be mindful because we're
spread very thin.
You know the plan.
I just found it.
It's called we are all God'schildren and it's all about
embracing differences, which isexactly.
You know what we're talkingabout, and that one that we did
it was a seven day devotionaland I am looking to do more of
them.
That feels really accessible.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Seven days feels really accessible.
That's what I really like aboutthis newsletter that you have
started is it is like smallbites that, over time, build a
foundation.
Yeah.
Like it's not a lot that youhave to do at one time.
It's like it comes in and youcan go through it and watch a
video and you can learn a littlebit more and you can talk with
(10:37):
your kids about a little bitmore, and it becomes like these
small, maybe smaller, everydayconversations.
That that is what becomes then.
It becomes like more, likeintegrated into your everyday
life, instead of it just beinglike one big thing.
Yes, one time, and then it'sdone.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yes, and that's something we've when we we've.
One of the conversations we'vehad around it is how can we
invite Hope's community to getout into the larger community,
and it's one of the great thingsthat we want to share.
You know these are local eventsthat are happening and if
you're able to make it, you knowif we can go as a group.
It's my goal one day to get agroup together and go, but I
(11:16):
know even for myself, like mytime is very limited so I
haven't fully been able tocommit to that yet.
But you know, if you are ableto go just with yourself or your
spouse and your children, youknow there's ways that we can
take the information that'sshared.
You know, if it's a podcast,give it a listen, or a book, you
can read it as a family and,like you said, it only takes a
(11:37):
few minutes.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And I know that, then you've also shared.
Not only have you started doingthis newsletter that comes out
a handful of times a year, butalso you've made it your goal in
Hope Kids to be a part of somemore local community events as
you're able, and I love thatbecause I think about myself as
(12:00):
a parent.
It matters to me so much tomodel to my kid that I at least
believe that the part of beingthe church is that we go out
into the world, like it's notalways about getting everybody
to come to the church, but likethe church, like the physical
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church, but instead to be thechurch as in being human beings
who go out and live in the worldand interact in their
communities and show love intheir communities and show up
for their communities, and theonly way we do that is by
practicing it, and so I lovethat that's been part of
something that you've wanted tobe a part of.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, and it can be intimidating.
I get intimidated going intolarge groups, especially post
COVID, and I just get nervoussometimes going somewhere maybe
that I haven't been before.
But what I love about theenergy around a lot of these
events is that it's such an armswide open event, which is
exactly how Hope Church is Like.
Remember the first time I cameto Hope and walking in I was a
(13:02):
little intimidated because it'sa big building, but you
immediately get such a welcomedlike big hug feel in the energy
and a lot of these events.
That's how, exactly how theyare.
You know, people are just happythat you're there.
They don't care what you'rewearing or what you're doing or
where you came from.
They just want to see you andthey want to celebrate.
And it's really such a joyfulthing.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I love that.
So what would you say tosomeone specifically around
getting involved in our localcommunity and going to community
events, whether it's aJuneteenth celebration or
something else that's going on?
What would you say to someonewho maybe is, like, like you
mentioned, maybe a little bitmore stressed about going to
(13:42):
something for the first timethat maybe they wouldn't have
necessarily thought to go to inthe past, or they're nervous
about it, or what would you say?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I would say definitely, don't stress.
I would say say find, find theevent that works for you and
don't add too much pressurearound it.
You know, fine, like for mesummer's a great time because I
do unplug a little bit so I havea little bit.
You know, come july 1st I'llhave a lot of more, you know,
free time, so it's easy for meto fit it into the natural flow
of my family.
Um, if you're able to make aconnection, whether it's easy
for me to fit it into thenatural flow of my family, if
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you're able to make a connection, whether it's at a school or a
church and maybe have someoneyou can go with, I think that
helps and I've found that withLori and Betty.
You know like to have thatconnection, someone to talk to
and get a better understandingof it, even if they can't go
with you, but maybe get anunderstanding of the events
before you go.
So you know what you're walkinginto.
Um, that could be helpful andand I I've gotten the furthest
(14:36):
with just it's it doesn't hurtjust to walk up and just say hi,
you know, greet someone with asimple hello, how are you doing
today?
You know we all have commonground somewhere.
Someone just has to make thatfirst move.
But the first move doesn't haveto be big, it's literally just
a hello.
You know, and I think a lot ofpeople these days don't take the
(14:56):
time just to say, hey, how areyou doing today?
You know, and that can matterso much.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know, no matter what, who you are, where you
come from, yeah and yeah, I wasjust thinking, as you were
talking like humans.
I was thinking about how, ashumans, we are often creatures
of habit and of comfort and so,even if we really really care
about something, um, thephysical act of going and being
a part of it can like it'seasier to make up reasons.
(15:23):
Why not to?
Because it is outside of, maybe, your comfort zone, yeah and
like, but I, I don't know.
I think it is important for usto just have a heart of
curiosity and want to be alearner, and when you and I were
planning this podcast ortalking about what you wanted to
share, you said something abouthaving the heart and the mind
(15:46):
of a kid.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I had said to you.
I say that, so my child, ifanyone has encountered them, if
they're part of the Hopecommunity, he like if there is a
kid within 20 feet of my son,he is like, hi guys, let's go
play, like he went.
They're already a thing.
And you and I were kind ofhaving this conversation around.
You know, and Jesus even likecalls us to.
(16:08):
You know, have like a heart ofa child.
And so why do you think thatthat makes a difference in
something like this?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I think it makes a huge difference because adults
we do we get wrapped up in ourown minds about, you know, is is
what I say going to beperceived a certain way, or or,
or my acting appropriate or mysaying the right thing.
And kids don't think like that.
They're not wired to think likethat.
They, you know we joked when wetalked about it.
They jump into a cold pool andthey don't care that it's cold
(16:35):
and they will freeze, and theywill shiver and turn blue and
they will, you know, they'lljust jump right in and and they
I love that mentality and thatspirit, you know, and I think
adults need to do that a littlebit more.
I think we need to put ourguards down and, like you said,
you have that heart and thatspirit of a child and think less
(16:55):
about, because I think whenit's natural and it's coming
from your heart and it's comingfrom a good place, it's never
going to be offensive, it'snever going to be inappropriate,
and I think people will pick upon that.
I think most adults are smartenough to know when something's
being forced or fake or justmaybe has malice behind it.
Um, but they're like, I'mcurious about so many things and
(17:18):
I'm really.
It's been a slow process, but Iam learning.
Just to say, I don't know whatthat is.
Can you explain it to me, youknow?
Or or tell me why this issignificant?
Because I wasn't taught thatbefore and I'm learning and I am
such a person I love to learn,I love to read and soak up
information, and no one getsoffended, and I've trialed it
(17:40):
now and I have never met someoneso far, knock on wood, who's
been offended by me just beinghonest, and that's really what
it is.
You have to just have thespirit of a kid and be honest.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, and I love that .
You have to just have thespirit of a kid and be honest.
Yeah, no, I love thatno-transcript.
(18:13):
Um and I I know we had talkedabout um, the one other thing we
had talked about when I askedyou about why you wanted to
start doing more of these kindsof things, whether it's the
newsletter or events or localevents as part of Hope Kids um,
you had said that you know it'sa desire to prepare our kids to
(18:34):
be peacemakers and to be bridgebuilders, and so did you want to
say a little bit more aboutthat?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, I think the timing is right.
You know, the world that wegrew up in you and I being
closer in age than what our kidsare growing up in is very
different, and we we have wehave seen so many different
sides of the world and our kidsare only seeing one way, which
is such a blessing, becausethey're growing up with so much
more love around, morespecialized group.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
To them it's normal, I think, whereas you know it's
normal to have to be differentor to have a difference, like
differences are normal.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, Like I think of kids on this autism, autistic
spectrum, and you know our kidsare going to school with them,
whereas I don't recall going toschool with kids who had that
many special needs or who needed, you know, special attention
from a teacher.
It just wasn't a thing that Iwas exposed to.
Um, my kids I have a child onthe spectrum and I also have,
you know, my kids are aroundthem and they're so nurturing
(19:33):
and they're so welcoming, and soI think, like you said, they're
already the bridge builders andthe or the, you know the
connectors, and they alreadyhave such peace in their hearts
around issues that maybe usolder folks don't Um, so I just
think that being able to tie itin here at church and with the
faith community, and it's justthat extra layer of love that
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we're kind of surroundingeveryone with and you know our
kids are going to grow up andthey're really their world is
going to look beautiful.
I know it is.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I love that, I love that, that your hope for that.
I mean, I have the same hopefor my kids too, and I think and
I feel like I'm sure everyparent has those kinds of hopes.
But that made me think about,I'm wondering so for you, your
kids are what ages?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So my kids are 11, 9, and 7.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So do you feel like this also started to bubble up
for you more as a parent becauseof the age they're at right now
?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yes, definitely.
They're asking more questions,my oldest especially.
They hear a lot of things atschool.
They see it on YouTube, which Ihave quickly learned to scan.
I will say I was a little naiveabout the YouTube a few years
ago, but I've learned because,kids are exposed to so much, so
quickly.
That's what I was thinking whenyou were talking about that.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
One of the reasons I'm grateful that you're
investing time in doing like anewsletter, like this, is that
there is so much out there andit can be hard to sift through
yes, very hard, and just havingplaces that you know you can
land that are about messages oflove and inclusion and kindness
(21:13):
for your kids yeah it, it makesa difference.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yes, I think because Joe and I have such open
communication at home with ourkids and we've raised them to be
you know, to be questioners.
Yeah, they ask questions andwe've always given them a choice
and a place to, I guess, speakhome, and so they have no
problem coming home from schooland laying some stuff out there
(21:37):
and I'm like oh Lord, I'm notready for this.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
We're talking about this right now.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, we're going there, you know, and we're
having these conversations and Iknow I rely so much on the
community here at Hope of youknow, going to different friends
in all areas here of okay, Iwas hit with this.
What do I say, you know, andhow do I respond to this?
And that's what I want.
The, you know, the goal of thenewsletter, too, is to be that
maybe for a parent like you know, if your child has a question
(22:02):
about someone on the spectrum ora racial question or what is
you know what's going on here inthe world, or you know, you
could almost rely on this alittle bit and be like, oh, you
know what, I saw something on apodcast or a book, or, you know,
let's investigate this togetherJust gives you a place to start
, yeah, yeah, to be a resource.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
No, I love that.
Yeah, I love that for so manyreasons.
So if I was listening and Iwanted to make sure that I
didn't miss out on what'shappening in Hope Kids, or I
want to get this newsletter whenit comes in my inbox.
How do I make sure that I'mconnected?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
So I would say, sign up for the emails which you can
do at meethopeorg slash email ifyou already don't receive them.
Definitely check out our socialmedia.
Meet hope kids.
It's at meet hope kids on bothInstagram and Facebook.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's the same on both Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And then the best way is, honestly, just come see us
in person.
We would love to see you on aSunday.
You know we're right back inthe kids wing and room 100.
You can always pop your head inand say hello to a teacher, to
myself or Tracy hundred.
You can always pop your head inand say hello to a teacher, to
myself or Tracy Pastor Heather,and you know we would love to
you know, talk to you more.
You know in person aboutdifferent things that we're
doing and we're always open forideas.
(23:22):
So if there's a need that yousee or an event that you see and
I have had a few reach outs,you know- via email which has
been lovely, Like I love whatyou're doing.
You know, here's this that I saw, so that's it's super helpful
because we're not always.
Sometimes we have to put alittle more work into see like,
okay, what can we find, and it'sfun, but I'm always, you know,
(23:43):
in need of suggestions.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, Like you said, like we don't always know what
what we don't know or what's notin front of us, and so having
that's the beauty of a community, and and having a community of
people from all differentbackgrounds and walks of life is
that they're all going to bringsomething different and raise
awareness about it.
That you may not have learnedabout yet.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, and we would love to celebrate you, and you
know what you have to offer.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I love that and also.
This is an aside, but this alsomight be a convenient time for
you to mention what Hope Kidslooks like in the summer, if
anyone's listening.
Yes, so tell us.
If I were to come on a Sundaymorning.
What should I know about HopeKids?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the biggest thing to know is we do have a schedule
change.
So starting June 22nd we dropjust to one service for the kids
.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So the main church has 9 am Two services.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
yes, Two services 9 am 10.30.
Hope Kids will only meet at the10.30 service, okay.
So if you show up at the 9, wedo have busy bags which will
have fun stuff themed throughoutthe whole summer Great
Different stuff in there foryour kids.
You can pick up a busy bag inthe lobby or the worship space.
Yeah, but we'll meet at the10.30.
Okay, and we have volunteersthat come.
(24:55):
We're always looking if youwant to try to come.
You know work with the kids andsummer's a great time for that
because we're a little bitlighter.
We don't have as many, you know, kids in the wings, so it's a
little bit calmer and it's agreat time to just shadow, check
out the wings, see what we doand, you know, hang out.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much, casey,for thank you for sharing today
for your heart for every kidthat's in Hope Kids and making
sure that every kid that walksthrough those doors feels seen
and heard and noticed and lovedin some way, no matter what they
look like or what their needsare.
(25:29):
So just thank you for makingthat such a core of Hope Kids
and we'll be following along tosee what you guys are doing next
.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, stay tuned, there's lots of fun stuff coming
.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
So if you're listening thank you so much for
listening.
Be sure to subscribe to ourpodcast so you don't miss a new
episode.
We have new episodes everyMonday and you can find it.
You can also find Hope onsocial media so you can get
notified about new podcaststhere.
But until next time, we are sograteful to have you listening
(26:04):
and we will see you next time.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Thanks for being a part of the Hope community as we
continue our conversationsabout faith and hope.
If you don't already, pleasejoin us for worship on Sundays
or on demand.
You can learn more atmeethopeorg or find us on
socials at meethopechurch.
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