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July 14, 2025 101 mins

Megyn Kelly is joined by Ben Shapiro, author of "Lions and Scavengers," to discuss the latest fallout in the Jeffrey Epstein and Trump administration story, AG Pam Bondi’s mishandling of the Epstein files rollout, whether Dan Bongino will leave the Trump administration over the issue, the confusion about the leaked DOJ memo, what we actually know was contained in the FBI's Epstein files, whether the Trump administration needs to better explain the status and if they should release more information, whether Epstein was working with U.S. or Israeli intelligence, legitimate questions about Epstein's prison death, and more. Then Michael Shellenberger, founder of "Public" Substack, joins to discuss mounting pressure from Trump supporters in the MAGA movement for more Epstein transparency, the varying explanations for the way the Trump administration has handled the Epstein story for the past week, why the DOJ and FBI may be shifting their Epstein messaging, backlash over the supposed Epstein prison footage, new reporting that former President Biden only gave verbal approval on pardons, how his staff used the autopen without his direct oversight, how the Fauci pardon relates to COVID accountability, and more.

 

Shapiro- https://www.dailywire.com/show/the-ben-shapiro-show

Shellenberger- https://www.public.news/

 

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