January 20, 2025 • 43 mins
DJ and Brad meet up for the first time since before Christmas. They didn't have much time together over the break. DJ and his family had the flu. Brad had a sinus infection. We hear from listener's about their favorite parts of the show from 2024. DJ and Brad both discuss what they want 2025 to look like. Rate and review the show!!!!
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Welcome. This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast.
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This is the show where brothers-in-law DJ Culp and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from
our perspective as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear how Christians interact
with the world. And don't worry, we're real. We've grown up in church and we want to share
our experiences with you. We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff, and stuff
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stuff. Here we go.
Greetings. Welcome back listeners here and there and everywhere all across the land.
This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, DJ Culp, as always here
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with my beloved brother-in-law, Brad Coleman. Brad, the last time you and I were hanging
out together, we were both feeling like we got hit by dump trucks.
It was pretty bad. Did not go as planned.
No, it wasn't even close. So listeners, first of all, happy new year. We're back at it
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now. Happy new year. So sorry that we have not had an episode out for you guys in the
last two weeks. Christmas, just as a point of update, Christmas did not even remotely
go the way that Brad and I had shared with you guys. I felt just good enough to be able
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to go over to my parents' house where Brad and Tabitha and the kids were. And I guess
we hung out there for just a couple hours, made it through unwrapping Christmas presents
and eating some dinner. We talked a little bit and then we went home. On Christmas Eve,
the flu visited the Culp household and we were out for a week and a half. So when we
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came over to mom and dad's house, what was it exactly, Brad, that you were dealing with?
I had a sinus infection.
You had a sinus infection because I never found out.
Yeah, we were pretty sure it was because we had gotten a lot of toys that came out of
an attic. I'm going to have to learn when we're doing that because of my sinus surgery,
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I breathe really well. Well, because of my sinus surgery, I breathe in really well. So
I'm a lot more susceptible now to that dust and stuff that may be in the attic coming
off these things. We had to clean these toys quite a bit. And so we didn't even think about
it. And so we think it just kind of set up an infection. So a couple days after that,
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I went to an urgent care down there. They gave me a steroid, they call it a sinus cocktail
shot.
Yeah, right. I've had them.
And it cleared my head up and they put me on an antibiotic for 10 days. And so yeah,
it was just a sinus infection, but it just made me feel just awful. And so I ate a few
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bites of dinner and then I went to bed. I feel horrible for doing it, but I was like...
I mean, you don't have to apologize to me, man. It was everything I could do on Christmas
morning to keep my eyes open for about 45 minutes or what felt like 45 minutes. I mean,
I had a temperature, I'm guessing I had a temperature around 100 and 102 on Christmas
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morning. So as the kids were opening their stuff, I mean, it was, again, I was just trying
to keep my eyes open. On Christmas morning, it's the first time in my life this has ever
happened, Brad, that I just actually wanted to go to bed. I would have been okay. Obviously,
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not really, but I just felt that crappy. But I was thinking, if we open presents later,
I'd be fine with that. I just need to go to bed. But once Tylenol kicked in and brought
my fever down, I felt better. So that evening, I was just so out of it that we were... I
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don't even know if I was done eating or where I was in the process of the meal, but I looked
up and you were gone. Seriously, I had no idea you even left the room. So listeners,
the whole buildup before Christmas that Brad and I were gonna play lots and lots of Rail
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Baron, that did not happen. We got to spend just a handful of hours, which was better
than nothing, might I add, by the way. Yeah, yeah. And the time we had was good.
It was. See the kids being excited and getting to spend a little time. But yeah, definitely,
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yeah, it wasn't our best. No. And I don't know about you guys, I don't
remember, but Brad, this is our very first and I hope last sick Christmas. So Addie had
the flu, gave it to me, I gave it to Shara. I had it the worst out of everybody. Shara
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had a really light case of it, but I mean, she still had some fatigue, some body aches.
And Shara gave it to Zoe. Out of the five of us, Noah was the only one to avoid anything.
I have no earthly idea how he did. But I do want to say this, and I mean, like on the
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podcast, let it be known, there is power in prayer, Brad. Based upon how I felt the day
before and how I felt not just the day after Christmas, but like two and three days after
Christmas. I was, you know, not well, I'll put it that way, in the bathroom on Christmas
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morning. And I heard Noah praying, Dear God, please don't let daddy get sick anymore so
that we can open our Christmas presents. And I did not get sick again. And then he prayed
later on that day, Dear God, please help us to go to Nana and Papa's house so that we
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could see Nana and Papa and Uncle B and Aunt Babby and Carrie, Beth and Isaiah and Hannah.
And I felt better. Like, seriously, based upon how I felt the day after Christmas. And
I know that we came and saw you guys the day after Christmas, but like, I guess I should
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say Christmas day and then like two days after. So that one day that you get that that we
were going to spend with you guys anyways, was the only day that I actually felt good
enough to get out and about that right there. I 100% attest to Noah's prayer, 100%.
In the faith of a child.
Oh, I it was in it was amazing. So. So yeah, listeners, sorry, but we are back at it now.
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I'm sorry that we've kind of been been absent. And to that point, Brad, let's go ahead and
let's get some coffee time going on. Coffee time! Let me cue the music. So as you guys
are regulars are well aware that here in Jackson, Tennessee, we have a collaboration with the
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Green Frog Coffee Company. They are a Christian coffee house. They have a menu that would
make you think that they're a restaurant. When in actuality, they are coffee house that
simply sell food. Their food is excellent. Brad, I did not know that you could put blackberry
on a hamburger. Dude, it is stellar. So good. And yeah, hand dipped ice cream. They do they
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do a full full array of coffee and specialty drinks. So our our code word to get you $2
off for Monday, let me let me get the date right. Here we go. Oh, I can't do it that
way. What's the what's Monday? Martin Luther King. I know that Monday, January 20. There
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coffee is so good that even a snowman would drink it. And actually, that's the reason
that we didn't get now. Now I say that's the reason that we didn't get a show out this
past week is because the snow hit and I can't really record at home because my children.
Well it's you would hear you would hear kids lots and lots and lots of kids and thumping
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and running and jumping and screaming and you know, all that kind of fun stuff. So we
avoid the whole thing. So today, Brad, it is a listener special. As I mentioned several
weeks ago that we had a chat of end of year reflections. What are some of your favorite
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Men's Church Stuff moments from the 2024 year? And as promised to the listeners that that
responded, we'll give you a shout out and and let let other listeners know what you
had to say. So the first person, Brad, was actually your wife, my sister. Shout out to
Tabitha Coleman. I almost said Tabitha Culp. Tabitha Coleman. She hadn't been Culp for
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a while. Her favorite moment was the slideshow presentation from DJ students. That was pretty
epic. That was a big one. No doubt. It is it is a it's still like a thing around around
here at Union, Brad. And might I add, I found out unbeknownst to me, no joke, I found out
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that one of the students that headed that up is actually still collecting quotes. And
I have I have actually heard these some of the additions. So if you want, Brad, I'll
be happy like maybe at maybe towards the end of the semester. If you want, I can give you
an update on that if you think we should definitely do around around to let me tell you something
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funny about about, you know, your professor at Union. Yeah. So Carrie Beth is, you know,
she's a sophomore in high school. She's starting to really think about those things. And she
was leaning toward Eastern. And now she's like, I don't know. Yeah. She's like, hey,
I was talking to a friend who's who's in like college. And she was like, well, she visited
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this university down in Tennessee that she really liked. She didn't go there. And I and
I know all the situation. Right. So I was like, yeah, that's a union. She visited the
union. I know that's where your uncle DJ is a professor. Right. He was like, really?
That's awesome. Yes, I do. There. I was like, yeah, I was like, you should totally go to
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Union and then yes, you should. You know, what did you do in class? She was like, yeah,
I don't think that I would like having a DJ in class. Actually, she would not have me
in class unless she was a music major. And then she would have me in class. And I would
love having her in class. Not because she's my niece. I listeners, I love teasing Carrie
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Beth. It is one of it is one of my favorite things. So, yeah, I was like it was it was
a interesting awakening for her. Oh, that's where that's where he teaches. That's fine.
That's the one. So our next listener here, Mr. Joey Moore. Shout out to Joey. Glad that
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you're a listener of the show, Joey. So Joey's a fantastic trumpet player here in Jackson,
Tennessee. I've known I've known Joey for several years. He was an adjunct here at Union
for a time. But Joey Brad has has really fallen in love with the show because as he as he
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put here, because Brad of the way that you share the good news of Jesus, and he actually
specified any time Brad shares the good news of Jesus. So you are you are having impact,
sir. We, Brad, Joey and I had had had coffee at the end of last semester. And we just he
just wanted to talk about the show and kind of give me his his experience, his testimony
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kind of thing. Really great guy. But he really, really loves your insight, Brad, as do I.
I mean, love hearing you talk, man. Well, you know, when the subject matter is like,
you know, the most amazing thing ever, ever. It's it's harder to miss on that, you know.
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Yeah. I mean, the greatest, greatest gift of all the source of love, our God who loves
us and wants to save us from ourselves. Yeah. Wants us to be sons and daughters of God and
wants to take his enemies and make them not just his friends, but again, just sons and
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daughters. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's hard not to, you know, it's like if I was a diamond
salesman and you were selling paper clips, you know, I would people probably be more
excited when I when I showed up, especially if I was giving out free samples. Yeah. Which
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doesn't happen, by the way. Yeah. Right. And the gospel is so much better than than diamonds
and gold. And so and paper clips. Yeah. Definitely way better than even better than diamond paper
clips. Diamond paper clips. All right. Kathy Reader, wife of of faithful listener, John
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Reader. John, what's up, man? Kathy Reader simply wrote, I love hearing the two of you
banter back and forth. That's good. There's a lot of that. There's a lot. All right. Brad,
one of the things and I and he recently I've had several conversations in the last probably
three or four months. I've had several conversations about, you know, me and you. And the thing
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I love about you, man, like by relation, you are my brother in law. Yeah. Dude, you're my
bro. Like you are really my brother. Yeah. I mean, it's I love that our friendship is
way more than just than just, you know, we're friendly and you're married to my sister,
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you know. And what's cool is it really has evolved. I don't know how to say it. It really,
I think surprisingly to me, it almost evolved sort of out of nowhere. So when when you were
still working at Walgreens and dad was at Walgreens and me and Cher would come visit,
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I remember one night specifically you and dad and I think you were toying with the idea
of ministry, but you and dad were talking in the living room and I was sitting there
too. And I remember thinking I have nothing to say right now. Like, I mean, there's nothing
that I can really contribute that would deepen the conversation. And what's and I'm just
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going to say it, man, at that point in time, when you and dad were were really starting
to to connect, there was a point in time where I was actually jealous. And I mean, it's like,
I loved you. It's not like I held you in contempt. You know, I mean, it's not it's when anything
like that. But as as as like time progressed, really just kind of out of nowhere. You and
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I just started really getting close. And I I did I love you with all my heart, man, I
really do. So yeah, well, and I love you. And I think that the great thing I think about
us is we do have so much in common. And at the same time, we're polar opposites over
in so many in so many ways. But that works. Yeah. And I think that we don't let our differences
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like separate us. And then we you know, again, we laugh about it. We tease each other about
it. And those things. So yeah, I think too that that our relationship as we've recorded
the podcast, I think we've, you know, we've got closer and and just just developed a closer
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friendship and brotherhood, you know, through this, as we're getting to know each other
better. And that's one of the things I guess we're we're kind of getting to know each
other better. And we're talking about stuff. And we're bringing other people along. Like,
yeah, we want to come to our little little sitcom and their nonsense and write in the
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gospel and the gospel. Yeah, awesomeness and some really bad punny jokes. Bad, bad, bad
jokes. So I listeners really far and wide. We we love you. We really do. And we are we
are thoroughly honored that you tune into the show. But I really want to call this the
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way it is. Whether you listen to the show or not. Brad and I, like we really did feel
that we had some things that we could that we could share that would edify men, women,
women, pastors, churchgoers. But I mean, really, when it boils down to it, this is really an
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opportunity for me and Brad just hang out some more. And and I'm sure that it's probably
been said at some point in the show. But how Brad and I talk when we record podcasts like,
dude, that's how we talk in the boat fishing. That's how we talk about. That's how we talk.
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You know, around around a game of Rail Baron or just shooting the breeze, sipping coffee.
That's what Tabby said. She said every time I listen to the podcast, it's just like so
much you guys in a room. Yeah, right. I mean, we're not changing anything. You know, I mean,
there might be a format, but it's this is just me and Brad talking. This is how it works.
You know, when we're talking on the boat, we don't go well listeners. That's true. We
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don't use the word listeners. That's true. That's right. Hey, fishies. Hey, fishies.
Are you listening to our conversation? Here. Here you hear you. That's right. She can't
check us out in the boat. So last the last one. And I'm so glad that that he that he
commented Steve Chappie is Chappie. There's Brad, there's going to come a day where where
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Sharon and I and the kids are going to make it up to St. Louis and I'm going to meet Chappie.
I have like, yeah, he's awesome. He's an awesome guy. Chappie so bad because it's like to me,
his name is Chappie. I know that everybody calls him Steve. Not to me. And I want to
meet a man named Chappie so bad. I don't know why. But anyways, you won't be disappointed.
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Yeah. Well, good. So Chappie Chappie comments. Merry Christmas to you and your family. All
your chat with you and Pastor Brad are awesome. Just keep up the good work and spread the word.
God bless. And, you know, one of the things that that we are as Christians that we are
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challenged and obliged to do, charged to do is to is to take the word and share it in. This is my
own take, Brad. So like, I'm not going to say this is theologically sound. But anytime that I think
about like when when Jesus tells Peter, you know, you're a fisherman, I'm going to make you a
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fisher of men. I have always like the older that I've gotten, I should say, I shouldn't use the
word always. But as I've gotten older and reflected on that, I really I really feel that thinking and
reflecting on fishing. Actually, I was talking about that talking about that this morning in
one of the music ed classes I was I was teaching if you claim to be a bass fisherman, you don't
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catch anything else. I mean, I suppose you might by accident. But I mean, you're not fishing for
catfish or brim. You're only fishing for bass. Right. And if you fish for catfish, specifically
with a Brad fishes for catfish, you ain't going to catch anything unless it's the kind of catfish
that you really want to catch. That's right. Even the small catfish are out. Yeah, they're out.
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It's like, man, I mean, that looks tasty. But I don't have I don't have the stomach for that.
But anyways, to me, when when I reflect on on our show, and on other podcasts, and how, you know,
how, how, how Christ lives in me, and, and, you know, how he has, how he has built me and made me
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and wired me. I think I think just, you know, spread the good word, or keep up the good work
and spread the spread the good word, like, I just feel that the way that you and I share the gospel,
and this goes to what you were saying earlier, is so different. But it's the same message. Right.
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And into that, to that I really love, I love hearing how I think if I were if I were to make
a comparison about how you and I think about think about Christ and the Holy Spirit, and how
we convey that and relay that information. yours is absolutely the way a
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pastor thinks, because you are one. And I one of the one of the other things that I love so much
about about the way that you think about Jesus is not as a pastor, but just as, as a, or even a
theologian or somebody thinking about theology and doctrine. I just think like I love how it's very
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down to earth. It's poignant. And it's a it's it's it's applicable. I think for me, I'd like to hear
you on this, you know, in terms of comparison between me and you. I think, for me, I'm always
in search of the practicality and the and the application. I heard it put this morning, like,
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making something abstract concrete is something I'm always in search of. What do you think?
Right. Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see that as something that of you. And again, you're
we've talked about this before you you have a sense of precision. Right. This and
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this and precise is that a word? It is. Yes. Yeah. You know, and you like pump and circumstance.
I do. I do like. I'm not pompous though, am I? No. I mean, no, I mean, like in general, no.
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But I do like pump. Yeah. You're right about that. But so like, I don't know if you've thought about
like the marriage supper of the lamb. Right. Like so the revelation talks about, you know,
this great feast marriage supper of the lamb that. Yeah. You know, and so I don't know how you
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envision that. But I think it probably is very different from what would be important for me
with that, just with some of the things that we've talked about, the way we look at
at fancy and. Yeah, right. And all that. I mean, he's not going to have ramen there,
if that's what you're thinking. You know, I don't know. And at the end of the day,
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it's ramen and chef boyardee, baby. That's how Jesus. I don't care throwing out the little Caesars.
No, I'm out. Like you can be out because they're not trying to jab you, but I'm not there for the
food. I mean, that's true. You're right. And I wouldn't be here. So I really don't see Jesus
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saying, welcome to heaven. All that you could ever want is here. And here's a little Caesar.
You know, like, I just don't think that's going to go down. At least not for you.
That's right.
DJ, here is this huge fancy. There's a different fork for everything.
I just want you to know this has made my job so easy. I'm so glad you're here.
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You know, Brad, here's your table over here. It's just going to be me and you sitting there.
Got you some little Caesars and a jalapeno cheddar dipper. And I'm like, love you so much, God.
That's hilarious, man.
You get me. Yeah, you get me. You get me. This is the best.
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But I think so, again, I think that comes out in a lot of, a lot of
the way that we think about other things. And it's not that either one is right or wrong.
It's just different. We both love Jesus. So we share the gospel, that's going to come out.
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We share His love. But the way that we are looking at some things is different. So we're
going to get a different perspective. And God is so big that we can't even
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imagine really defining Him in His entirety, anywhere close. I mean, not even His shadow,
like the complexity of God. So I think that's the beautiful thing too about how we're the
body of Christ. So we're going to be serving the same God, receiving the same gospel,
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who receiving the same gospel, but it's personal at the same time. So my relationship with Christ
and your relationship with Christ, have the gift by the fact that Jesus died for us on the cross,
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you rose again, and the faith that we have put in Him, we've accepted His invitation.
Right? So we have the same gospel. We're going to go to heaven and be received because of Jesus,
what He's done. Right? So the same reason. We haven't earned it. But yeah, our lives are
very different. Okay, there's a guy that goes to my church who was telling me like, he's a construction
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worker, you know, big beard, but he's like, you know, I just find it like bikers, these big tough
biker guys, he's like, I just find it easy to talk to them, and they find it easy to talk to me.
And I'm just thinking like, those are guys that would probably never, most of them,
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be having a conversation with me. I don't know, dude, with that, like,
I know I have the beard. I mean, you got the burly beard, especially.
Yes, but then I'd open my mouth. That's true.
You guys like Mario or Sonic better? And maybe I'm making some wrong assumptions. Maybe they'd be
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like, I'm a Luigi guy myself. That's right. Yeah. I mean, haven't you seen Tangled? I mean,
there's that whole situation of all the rough guys. I mean, they've all got dreams.
That's right. Yes, it is. For me, that's probably the best part of that movie.
Yeah. But right. Well, you never judge a book by its cover. But my point is, there's people
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that I'll be able to connect with because of my personality, because of these things,
and be able to share the gospel that you want, and vice versa.
And vice versa. Yeah. And so,
I think that's one of the beautiful things about our relationship with Christ.
Just think about the woman at the well who gets it, and her story as she goes and shares, versus
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Mary Magdalene or Peter. Or even Peter, yeah, right.
Or Matthew. And some of that we get to see, right? Because we get the four different
representations of the gospel. They're all the same gospel, but they're very different.
Very different. Three of them are a lot more like than one, but...
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It's true. Ironically, I like the one that's different, or maybe not ironically.
See, I actually like Luke the most. And it makes sense. I love the approach, not the idea,
but the approach that Luke brings of... Basically, if you will, he really had a hands-off approach.
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He was like, look, I'm reporting what everybody else saw. This is narrative of everyone else's
experience with Jesus. Which is pretty accurate, because again, Luke is kind of writing that down
as psychic healing. Yeah. And I know that when he writes Acts, that it does begin to change,
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because he gets involved in the story directly. But again, I really love...
Oh, that's a good point. Right? I love how Luke... And this is how my brain works. I love how Luke
says, all right, everyone stop. Here is how Jesus exists, and how he impacts the community
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to someone actually that... Granted, he was around, right? And he had those personal experiences.
But I see Luke as a prominent community member, rather than a part of the inner circle. And again,
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things do change in Acts. But yeah, so anyways, that's just how my brain works.
And part of the reason I love John so much is, one, John focuses on the deity and the love of God.
That's love. But two, you have more discourse between Jesus and other people. There's more
conversation than in the other gospels. There's more conversation meshed out. Over here, it may
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reference that story, but in John, he's going to give you more of the dialogue. This is what Jesus
was saying. And so for me, I love that. And just like we're talking, I love that when Jesus talks
to Nicodemus, and Jesus talks to the woman at the well, when Jesus talks to Peter, he's sharing the
same message of the same gospel, but he approaches it differently, the method that he uses differently.
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And I love that. And to me, Brad, that's right there, that's part of, or if not part... Well,
I guess it would be part, because then we can look at our personal relationship and our experiences.
But I think that goes back to what Jesus was telling Peter. I'm gonna make you fishers of men.
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You can't just say the same thing over and over and over again and just expect everyone to buy
into it. Because if, again, thinking about fishing, if I wanna catch large mouth bass,
I can catch one on a worm. Man, it's gonna take a long time, assuming that I don't change the way
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I'm fishing, right? Now, if I wanna catch brim or if I wanna catch catfish, I can use worms all day,
because that's what they go for. Yeah, but the sportier fish, I have to change my method.
I've gotta change the way I'm thinking, I've gotta change the way I'm doing. So anyways,
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real quick, Brad, before we go, let's see, I've got four questions drafted up here. Tell me which
one you wanna ask. So what are some of your favorite show moments of 2024? What did you enjoy
the most about the show in 2024? What about the show do you love the most? And then what are some
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of your goals for the show in 2025? What do you wanna chase? Are you asking me to answer the
question or ask the question? No, no, no, no. Which, yeah, either any of those questions are for you.
Let's go with the last one. What are some of your goals for the show this year in 2025? I'm
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listening. Well, one, I wanna see us continue with consistency. Yeah. And just doing that.
I would love to see the show continue to develop. I have no idea what it's gonna continue to look
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like. And I'm small town guy, which DJ found out recently is even smaller than he thought.
That was a funny part of the show. I went back and listened to that and I was cracking up.
So I think in a lot of ways, I think small. I want to start to think bigger, but at the same time,
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that scares me because I don't know what it looks like. I don't fit when I show up to fancy dinners.
So, but I want it to continue to be just something that is impactful as we're... That is helpful.
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I want for people to listen. I want them to enjoy it, but I want them to get something out of it.
Yeah. And that's always been the part of the... Oh, I almost had it. Part of the nucleus
of the show, like the impetus to even get the show going was like, I want us to have fun.
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We're going to, it's impossible for us not to, but I want it to be meaningful for sure.
Yeah. I'm on the same page, man, really across the board with what you just said.
I want our listenership to grow. Not for the sake of us, but I think that... All right.
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Thinking about Fishers of Men, it is absolutely impossible, no matter who you are, to make,
to produce a podcast where weekly shows every week impacts everybody. Can't do it.
Right. Right. And again, Fishers of Men, I can't use the exact same bait across the board.
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I mean, I might catch fish using the same bait, but I'm not going to catch all sorts of different
types of fish using the same bait. So, I don't want a larger listenership for us. I want a larger
listenership. Just because I think that what we have to say can impact people in different ways.
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And there are going to be some shows where, for all I know, because I know I'm this way with some
of the shows that I listen to, there might be some episodes that don't connect with our listeners,
our normal listeners at all. I'll skip them. Yeah, right. Who cares?
I've done that. I listen to an ADHD podcast. It's probably one of the few podcasts I listen to,
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managing ADHD. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, no, I don't need this. Yeah, not today.
It's not for me. That's right. Yeah. Skip. Go to the next one.
But I really feel that what we talk about, what we're willing to talk about, and how we take our
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conversations can really impact and continue to impact people. Because shoot, man, they impact me.
Right? I mean, that's, again, coming down to it, anybody, you know, this is proverbs, right?
Anybody who thinks themselves wise is a fool already. And one of the first things that I said
when we got the podcast even going is I learned this early on in my own studies that the more that
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you begin to know, the more you should begin to realize you don't know. And so, I mean, yeah,
every time that you dive into something, either it affirms something I've already believed,
it refutes something I believed, or it's something I've never thought of, you know?
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So I really do want that for our listener base. One of the goals that I have for the show,
and I don't know how to do this because I've never done it, and I have no idea how much time
it's going to take, I really want to offer our listeners some merchandise. I want, like,
there's something, so listeners, I'll say this, for Christmas, we do draw names, you know,
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Brad and I and our family, we do draw names. I got Brad this year. And I got Brad several coffee
cups, but one of them was a customized Men's Church stuff coffee cup. And Brad and I, if you're
regular to the show, Brad and I, you will know, will not ever stop talking about coffee. And we
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really do want to share that joy with you guys, too. And it's cool to have, like, you know, your
own business, if you want to call it that, on our product. So that's something that I would like to
see. But listeners, one of the things that we need from you is not just continued support for,
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you know, for listening. Always, please, we can't have enough interaction. Interact with us.
You know, contact and interact with us. But also, what we need from you guys is to, you know,
continue to share the show with other people. Let folks know, you know, that our show's out there.
You can rate and review us on iTunes or Spotify. We actually are bigger on Spotify, I think,
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than we are on iTunes. But yeah, share the show. Let folks know that, you know, that it's something
that you listen to. Pray for us. Pray for us. A lot. I mean, I want to get on as many perpetual
prayer lists as I can. I can't be prayed for enough. Yeah, you're right. But listeners,
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to that end, thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Again, we're back. It's so good,
Brad, to record again. I have missed you, my brother. Listeners, I have missed recording
podcasts, knowing that you guys are gonna listen to it. I really have. So we're back. Remember that
if you're in the Jackson, Tennessee area on Martin Luther King Day, January 20, you take the
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code word to the North Store of Green Frog Coffee. The code word is New Year. But thank you guys so
much for being supporters of what Brad and I have felt like God has presented to us. We're gonna
continue to push forward, as Brad has mentioned, you know, with consistency. And if you guys want
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us to talk about something, anything, anything, let us know. Depending on what it is, we might
take a while to get to it, as you know, as we experience with the women in church leadership,
which by the way, was the number one show, number one listen to show in 2024. It is, it has quickly
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gotten to the fourth most most listened to show that we've put out, Brad. So beyond that, Brad,
I love you, buddy. Listeners, we love you. We will catch you next time.
Welcome. This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast.
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This is the show where brothers-in-law DJ Culp and Brad Coleman talk about stuff from
our perspective as men. It's a show for anyone who wants to hear how Christians interact
with the world. And don't worry, we're real. We've grown up in church and we want to share
our experiences with you. We'll talk life stuff, church stuff, man stuff, and stuff
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stuff. Here we go.
Greetings. Welcome back listeners here and there and everywhere all across the land.
This is the Men Church Stuff Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, DJ Culp, as always here
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with my beloved brother-in-law, Brad Coleman. Brad, the last time you and I were hanging
out together, we were both feeling like we got hit by dump trucks.
It was pretty bad. Did not go as planned.
No, it wasn't even close. So listeners, first of all, happy new year. We're back at it
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now. Happy new year. So sorry that we have not had an episode out for you guys in the
last two weeks. Christmas, just as a point of update, Christmas did not even remotely
go the way that Brad and I had shared with you guys. I felt just good enough to be able
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to go over to my parents' house where Brad and Tabitha and the kids were. And I guess
we hung out there for just a couple hours, made it through unwrapping Christmas presents
and eating some dinner. We talked a little bit and then we went home. On Christmas Eve,
the flu visited the Culp household and we were out for a week and a half. So when we
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came over to mom and dad's house, what was it exactly, Brad, that you were dealing with?
I had a sinus infection.
You had a sinus infection because I never found out.
Yeah, we were pretty sure it was because we had gotten a lot of toys that came out of
an attic. I'm going to have to learn when we're doing that because of my sinus surgery,
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I breathe really well. Well, because of my sinus surgery, I breathe in really well. So
I'm a lot more susceptible now to that dust and stuff that may be in the attic coming
off these things. We had to clean these toys quite a bit. And so we didn't even think about
it. And so we think it just kind of set up an infection. So a couple days after that,
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I went to an urgent care down there. They gave me a steroid, they call it a sinus cocktail
shot.
Yeah, right. I've had them.
And it cleared my head up and they put me on an antibiotic for 10 days. And so yeah,
it was just a sinus infection, but it just made me feel just awful. And so I ate a few
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bites of dinner and then I went to bed. I feel horrible for doing it, but I was like...
I mean, you don't have to apologize to me, man. It was everything I could do on Christmas
morning to keep my eyes open for about 45 minutes or what felt like 45 minutes. I mean,
I had a temperature, I'm guessing I had a temperature around 100 and 102 on Christmas
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morning. So as the kids were opening their stuff, I mean, it was, again, I was just trying
to keep my eyes open. On Christmas morning, it's the first time in my life this has ever
happened, Brad, that I just actually wanted to go to bed. I would have been okay. Obviously,
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not really, but I just felt that crappy. But I was thinking, if we open presents later,
I'd be fine with that. I just need to go to bed. But once Tylenol kicked in and brought
my fever down, I felt better. So that evening, I was just so out of it that we were... I
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don't even know if I was done eating or where I was in the process of the meal, but I looked
up and you were gone. Seriously, I had no idea you even left the room. So listeners,
the whole buildup before Christmas that Brad and I were gonna play lots and lots of Rail
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Baron, that did not happen. We got to spend just a handful of hours, which was better
than nothing, might I add, by the way. Yeah, yeah. And the time we had was good.
It was. See the kids being excited and getting to spend a little time. But yeah, definitely,
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yeah, it wasn't our best. No. And I don't know about you guys, I don't
remember, but Brad, this is our very first and I hope last sick Christmas. So Addie had
the flu, gave it to me, I gave it to Shara. I had it the worst out of everybody. Shara
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had a really light case of it, but I mean, she still had some fatigue, some body aches.
And Shara gave it to Zoe. Out of the five of us, Noah was the only one to avoid anything.
I have no earthly idea how he did. But I do want to say this, and I mean, like on the
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podcast, let it be known, there is power in prayer, Brad. Based upon how I felt the day
before and how I felt not just the day after Christmas, but like two and three days after
Christmas. I was, you know, not well, I'll put it that way, in the bathroom on Christmas
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morning. And I heard Noah praying, Dear God, please don't let daddy get sick anymore so
that we can open our Christmas presents. And I did not get sick again. And then he prayed
later on that day, Dear God, please help us to go to Nana and Papa's house so that we
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could see Nana and Papa and Uncle B and Aunt Babby and Carrie, Beth and Isaiah and Hannah.
And I felt better. Like, seriously, based upon how I felt the day after Christmas. And
I know that we came and saw you guys the day after Christmas, but like, I guess I should
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say Christmas day and then like two days after. So that one day that you get that that we
were going to spend with you guys anyways, was the only day that I actually felt good
enough to get out and about that right there. I 100% attest to Noah's prayer, 100%.
In the faith of a child.
Oh, I it was in it was amazing. So. So yeah, listeners, sorry, but we are back at it now.
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I'm sorry that we've kind of been been absent. And to that point, Brad, let's go ahead and
let's get some coffee time going on. Coffee time! Let me cue the music. So as you guys
are regulars are well aware that here in Jackson, Tennessee, we have a collaboration with the
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Green Frog Coffee Company. They are a Christian coffee house. They have a menu that would
make you think that they're a restaurant. When in actuality, they are coffee house that
simply sell food. Their food is excellent. Brad, I did not know that you could put blackberry
on a hamburger. Dude, it is stellar. So good. And yeah, hand dipped ice cream. They do they
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do a full full array of coffee and specialty drinks. So our our code word to get you $2
off for Monday, let me let me get the date right. Here we go. Oh, I can't do it that
way. What's the what's Monday? Martin Luther King. I know that Monday, January 20. There
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we go. Monday, January 20. The code word is New Year. N-E-W-Y-E-A-R New Year. Tell them
with the Men's Church Men's Church Stuff podcast, code word to New Year will get you $2 off
in store and online all the live long day. Where built on Christian values, where their
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coffee is so good that even a snowman would drink it. And actually, that's the reason
that we didn't get now. Now I say that's the reason that we didn't get a show out this
past week is because the snow hit and I can't really record at home because my children.
Well it's you would hear you would hear kids lots and lots and lots of kids and thumping
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and running and jumping and screaming and you know, all that kind of fun stuff. So we
avoid the whole thing. So today, Brad, it is a listener special. As I mentioned several
weeks ago that we had a chat of end of year reflections. What are some of your favorite
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Men's Church Stuff moments from the 2024 year? And as promised to the listeners that that
responded, we'll give you a shout out and and let let other listeners know what you
had to say. So the first person, Brad, was actually your wife, my sister. Shout out to
Tabitha Coleman. I almost said Tabitha Culp. Tabitha Coleman. She hadn't been Culp for
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a while. Her favorite moment was the slideshow presentation from DJ students. That was pretty
epic. That was a big one. No doubt. It is it is a it's still like a thing around around
here at Union, Brad. And might I add, I found out unbeknownst to me, no joke, I found out
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that one of the students that headed that up is actually still collecting quotes. And
I have I have actually heard these some of the additions. So if you want, Brad, I'll
be happy like maybe at maybe towards the end of the semester. If you want, I can give you
an update on that if you think we should definitely do around around to let me tell you something
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funny about about, you know, your professor at Union. Yeah. So Carrie Beth is, you know,
she's a sophomore in high school. She's starting to really think about those things. And she
was leaning toward Eastern. And now she's like, I don't know. Yeah. She's like, hey,
I was talking to a friend who's who's in like college. And she was like, well, she visited
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this university down in Tennessee that she really liked. She didn't go there. And I and
I know all the situation. Right. So I was like, yeah, that's a union. She visited the
union. I know that's where your uncle DJ is a professor. Right. He was like, really?
That's awesome. Yes, I do. There. I was like, yeah, I was like, you should totally go to
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Union and then yes, you should. You know, what did you do in class? She was like, yeah,
I don't think that I would like having a DJ in class. Actually, she would not have me
in class unless she was a music major. And then she would have me in class. And I would
love having her in class. Not because she's my niece. I listeners, I love teasing Carrie
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Beth. It is one of it is one of my favorite things. So, yeah, I was like it was it was
a interesting awakening for her. Oh, that's where that's where he teaches. That's fine.
That's the one. So our next listener here, Mr. Joey Moore. Shout out to Joey. Glad that
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you're a listener of the show, Joey. So Joey's a fantastic trumpet player here in Jackson,
Tennessee. I've known I've known Joey for several years. He was an adjunct here at Union
for a time. But Joey Brad has has really fallen in love with the show because as he as he
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put here, because Brad of the way that you share the good news of Jesus, and he actually
specified any time Brad shares the good news of Jesus. So you are you are having impact,
sir. We, Brad, Joey and I had had had coffee at the end of last semester. And we just he
just wanted to talk about the show and kind of give me his his experience, his testimony
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kind of thing. Really great guy. But he really, really loves your insight, Brad, as do I.
I mean, love hearing you talk, man. Well, you know, when the subject matter is like,
you know, the most amazing thing ever, ever. It's it's harder to miss on that, you know.
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Yeah. I mean, the greatest, greatest gift of all the source of love, our God who loves
us and wants to save us from ourselves. Yeah. Wants us to be sons and daughters of God and
wants to take his enemies and make them not just his friends, but again, just sons and
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daughters. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's hard not to, you know, it's like if I was a diamond
salesman and you were selling paper clips, you know, I would people probably be more
excited when I when I showed up, especially if I was giving out free samples. Yeah. Which
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doesn't happen, by the way. Yeah. Right. And the gospel is so much better than than diamonds
and gold. And so and paper clips. Yeah. Definitely way better than even better than diamond paper
clips. Diamond paper clips. All right. Kathy Reader, wife of of faithful listener, John
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Reader. John, what's up, man? Kathy Reader simply wrote, I love hearing the two of you
banter back and forth. That's good. There's a lot of that. There's a lot. All right. Brad,
one of the things and I and he recently I've had several conversations in the last probably
three or four months. I've had several conversations about, you know, me and you. And the thing
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I love about you, man, like by relation, you are my brother in law. Yeah. Dude, you're my
bro. Like you are really my brother. Yeah. I mean, it's I love that our friendship is
way more than just than just, you know, we're friendly and you're married to my sister,
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you know. And what's cool is it really has evolved. I don't know how to say it. It really,
I think surprisingly to me, it almost evolved sort of out of nowhere. So when when you were
still working at Walgreens and dad was at Walgreens and me and Cher would come visit,
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I remember one night specifically you and dad and I think you were toying with the idea
of ministry, but you and dad were talking in the living room and I was sitting there
too. And I remember thinking I have nothing to say right now. Like, I mean, there's nothing
that I can really contribute that would deepen the conversation. And what's and I'm just
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going to say it, man, at that point in time, when you and dad were were really starting
to to connect, there was a point in time where I was actually jealous. And I mean, it's like,
I loved you. It's not like I held you in contempt. You know, I mean, it's not it's when anything
like that. But as as as like time progressed, really just kind of out of nowhere. You and
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I just started really getting close. And I I did I love you with all my heart, man, I
really do. So yeah, well, and I love you. And I think that the great thing I think about
us is we do have so much in common. And at the same time, we're polar opposites over
in so many in so many ways. But that works. Yeah. And I think that we don't let our differences
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like separate us. And then we you know, again, we laugh about it. We tease each other about
it. And those things. So yeah, I think too that that our relationship as we've recorded
the podcast, I think we've, you know, we've got closer and and just just developed a closer
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friendship and brotherhood, you know, through this, as we're getting to know each other
better. And that's one of the things I guess we're we're kind of getting to know each
other better. And we're talking about stuff. And we're bringing other people along. Like,
yeah, we want to come to our little little sitcom and their nonsense and write in the
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gospel and the gospel. Yeah, awesomeness and some really bad punny jokes. Bad, bad, bad
jokes. So I listeners really far and wide. We we love you. We really do. And we are we
are thoroughly honored that you tune into the show. But I really want to call this the
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way it is. Whether you listen to the show or not. Brad and I, like we really did feel
that we had some things that we could that we could share that would edify men, women,
women, pastors, churchgoers. But I mean, really, when it boils down to it, this is really an
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opportunity for me and Brad just hang out some more. And and I'm sure that it's probably
been said at some point in the show. But how Brad and I talk when we record podcasts like,
dude, that's how we talk in the boat fishing. That's how we talk about. That's how we talk.
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You know, around around a game of Rail Baron or just shooting the breeze, sipping coffee.
That's what Tabby said. She said every time I listen to the podcast, it's just like so
much you guys in a room. Yeah, right. I mean, we're not changing anything. You know, I mean,
there might be a format, but it's this is just me and Brad talking. This is how it works.
You know, when we're talking on the boat, we don't go well listeners. That's true. We
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don't use the word listeners. That's true. That's right. Hey, fishies. Hey, fishies.
Are you listening to our conversation? Here. Here you hear you. That's right. She can't
check us out in the boat. So last the last one. And I'm so glad that that he that he
commented Steve Chappie is Chappie. There's Brad, there's going to come a day where where
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Sharon and I and the kids are going to make it up to St. Louis and I'm going to meet Chappie.
I have like, yeah, he's awesome. He's an awesome guy. Chappie so bad because it's like to me,
his name is Chappie. I know that everybody calls him Steve. Not to me. And I want to
meet a man named Chappie so bad. I don't know why. But anyways, you won't be disappointed.
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Yeah. Well, good. So Chappie Chappie comments. Merry Christmas to you and your family. All
your chat with you and Pastor Brad are awesome. Just keep up the good work and spread the word.
God bless. And, you know, one of the things that that we are as Christians that we are
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challenged and obliged to do, charged to do is to is to take the word and share it in. This is my
own take, Brad. So like, I'm not going to say this is theologically sound. But anytime that I think
about like when when Jesus tells Peter, you know, you're a fisherman, I'm going to make you a
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fisher of men. I have always like the older that I've gotten, I should say, I shouldn't use the
word always. But as I've gotten older and reflected on that, I really I really feel that thinking and
reflecting on fishing. Actually, I was talking about that talking about that this morning in
one of the music ed classes I was I was teaching if you claim to be a bass fisherman, you don't
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catch anything else. I mean, I suppose you might by accident. But I mean, you're not fishing for
catfish or brim. You're only fishing for bass. Right. And if you fish for catfish, specifically
with a Brad fishes for catfish, you ain't going to catch anything unless it's the kind of catfish
that you really want to catch. That's right. Even the small catfish are out. Yeah, they're out.
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It's like, man, I mean, that looks tasty. But I don't have I don't have the stomach for that.
But anyways, to me, when when I reflect on on our show, and on other podcasts, and how, you know,
how, how, how Christ lives in me, and, and, you know, how he has, how he has built me and made me
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and wired me. I think I think just, you know, spread the good word, or keep up the good work
and spread the spread the good word, like, I just feel that the way that you and I share the gospel,
and this goes to what you were saying earlier, is so different. But it's the same message. Right.
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And into that, to that I really love, I love hearing how I think if I were if I were to make
a comparison about how you and I think about think about Christ and the Holy Spirit, and how
we convey that and relay that information. yours is absolutely the way a
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pastor thinks, because you are one. And I one of the one of the other things that I love so much
about about the way that you think about Jesus is not as a pastor, but just as, as a, or even a
theologian or somebody thinking about theology and doctrine. I just think like I love how it's very
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down to earth. It's poignant. And it's a it's it's it's applicable. I think for me, I'd like to hear
you on this, you know, in terms of comparison between me and you. I think, for me, I'm always
in search of the practicality and the and the application. I heard it put this morning, like,
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making something abstract concrete is something I'm always in search of. What do you think?
Right. Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see that as something that of you. And again, you're
we've talked about this before you you have a sense of precision. Right. This and
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this and precise is that a word? It is. Yes. Yeah. You know, and you like pump and circumstance.
I do. I do like. I'm not pompous though, am I? No. I mean, no, I mean, like in general, no.
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But I do like pump. Yeah. You're right about that. But so like, I don't know if you've thought about
like the marriage supper of the lamb. Right. Like so the revelation talks about, you know,
this great feast marriage supper of the lamb that. Yeah. You know, and so I don't know how you
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envision that. But I think it probably is very different from what would be important for me
with that, just with some of the things that we've talked about, the way we look at
at fancy and. Yeah, right. And all that. I mean, he's not going to have ramen there,
if that's what you're thinking. You know, I don't know. And at the end of the day,
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it's ramen and chef boyardee, baby. That's how Jesus. I don't care throwing out the little Caesars.
No, I'm out. Like you can be out because they're not trying to jab you, but I'm not there for the
food. I mean, that's true. You're right. And I wouldn't be here. So I really don't see Jesus
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saying, welcome to heaven. All that you could ever want is here. And here's a little Caesar.
You know, like, I just don't think that's going to go down. At least not for you.
That's right.
DJ, here is this huge fancy. There's a different fork for everything.
I just want you to know this has made my job so easy. I'm so glad you're here.
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You know, Brad, here's your table over here. It's just going to be me and you sitting there.
Got you some little Caesars and a jalapeno cheddar dipper. And I'm like, love you so much, God.
That's hilarious, man.
You get me. Yeah, you get me. You get me. This is the best.
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But I think so, again, I think that comes out in a lot of, a lot of
the way that we think about other things. And it's not that either one is right or wrong.
It's just different. We both love Jesus. So we share the gospel, that's going to come out.
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We share His love. But the way that we are looking at some things is different. So we're
going to get a different perspective. And God is so big that we can't even
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imagine really defining Him in His entirety, anywhere close. I mean, not even His shadow,
like the complexity of God. So I think that's the beautiful thing too about how we're the
body of Christ. So we're going to be serving the same God, receiving the same gospel,
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who receiving the same gospel, but it's personal at the same time. So my relationship with Christ
and your relationship with Christ, have the gift by the fact that Jesus died for us on the cross,
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you rose again, and the faith that we have put in Him, we've accepted His invitation.
Right? So we have the same gospel. We're going to go to heaven and be received because of Jesus,
what He's done. Right? So the same reason. We haven't earned it. But yeah, our lives are
very different. Okay, there's a guy that goes to my church who was telling me like, he's a construction
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worker, you know, big beard, but he's like, you know, I just find it like bikers, these big tough
biker guys, he's like, I just find it easy to talk to them, and they find it easy to talk to me.
And I'm just thinking like, those are guys that would probably never, most of them,
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be having a conversation with me. I don't know, dude, with that, like,
I know I have the beard. I mean, you got the burly beard, especially.
Yes, but then I'd open my mouth. That's true.
You guys like Mario or Sonic better? And maybe I'm making some wrong assumptions. Maybe they'd be
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like, I'm a Luigi guy myself. That's right. Yeah. I mean, haven't you seen Tangled? I mean,
there's that whole situation of all the rough guys. I mean, they've all got dreams.
That's right. Yes, it is. For me, that's probably the best part of that movie.
Yeah. But right. Well, you never judge a book by its cover. But my point is, there's people
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that I'll be able to connect with because of my personality, because of these things,
and be able to share the gospel that you want, and vice versa.
And vice versa. Yeah. And so,
I think that's one of the beautiful things about our relationship with Christ.
Just think about the woman at the well who gets it, and her story as she goes and shares, versus
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Mary Magdalene or Peter. Or even Peter, yeah, right.
Or Matthew. And some of that we get to see, right? Because we get the four different
representations of the gospel. They're all the same gospel, but they're very different.
Very different. Three of them are a lot more like than one, but...
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It's true. Ironically, I like the one that's different, or maybe not ironically.
See, I actually like Luke the most. And it makes sense. I love the approach, not the idea,
but the approach that Luke brings of... Basically, if you will, he really had a hands-off approach.
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He was like, look, I'm reporting what everybody else saw. This is narrative of everyone else's
experience with Jesus. Which is pretty accurate, because again, Luke is kind of writing that down
as psychic healing. Yeah. And I know that when he writes Acts, that it does begin to change,
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because he gets involved in the story directly. But again, I really love...
Oh, that's a good point. Right? I love how Luke... And this is how my brain works. I love how Luke
says, all right, everyone stop. Here is how Jesus exists, and how he impacts the community
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to someone actually that... Granted, he was around, right? And he had those personal experiences.
But I see Luke as a prominent community member, rather than a part of the inner circle. And again,
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things do change in Acts. But yeah, so anyways, that's just how my brain works.
And part of the reason I love John so much is, one, John focuses on the deity and the love of God.
That's love. But two, you have more discourse between Jesus and other people. There's more
conversation than in the other gospels. There's more conversation meshed out. Over here, it may
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reference that story, but in John, he's going to give you more of the dialogue. This is what Jesus
was saying. And so for me, I love that. And just like we're talking, I love that when Jesus talks
to Nicodemus, and Jesus talks to the woman at the well, when Jesus talks to Peter, he's sharing the
same message of the same gospel, but he approaches it differently, the method that he uses differently.
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And I love that. And to me, Brad, that's right there, that's part of, or if not part... Well,
I guess it would be part, because then we can look at our personal relationship and our experiences.
But I think that goes back to what Jesus was telling Peter. I'm gonna make you fishers of men.
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You can't just say the same thing over and over and over again and just expect everyone to buy
into it. Because if, again, thinking about fishing, if I wanna catch large mouth bass,
I can catch one on a worm. Man, it's gonna take a long time, assuming that I don't change the way
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I'm fishing, right? Now, if I wanna catch brim or if I wanna catch catfish, I can use worms all day,
because that's what they go for. Yeah, but the sportier fish, I have to change my method.
I've gotta change the way I'm thinking, I've gotta change the way I'm doing. So anyways,
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real quick, Brad, before we go, let's see, I've got four questions drafted up here. Tell me which
one you wanna ask. So what are some of your favorite show moments of 2024? What did you enjoy
the most about the show in 2024? What about the show do you love the most? And then what are some
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of your goals for the show in 2025? What do you wanna chase? Are you asking me to answer the
question or ask the question? No, no, no, no. Which, yeah, either any of those questions are for you.
Let's go with the last one. What are some of your goals for the show this year in 2025? I'm
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listening. Well, one, I wanna see us continue with consistency. Yeah. And just doing that.
I would love to see the show continue to develop. I have no idea what it's gonna continue to look
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like. And I'm small town guy, which DJ found out recently is even smaller than he thought.
That was a funny part of the show. I went back and listened to that and I was cracking up.
So I think in a lot of ways, I think small. I want to start to think bigger, but at the same time,
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that scares me because I don't know what it looks like. I don't fit when I show up to fancy dinners.
So, but I want it to continue to be just something that is impactful as we're... That is helpful.
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I want for people to listen. I want them to enjoy it, but I want them to get something out of it.
Yeah. And that's always been the part of the... Oh, I almost had it. Part of the nucleus
of the show, like the impetus to even get the show going was like, I want us to have fun.
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We're going to, it's impossible for us not to, but I want it to be meaningful for sure.
Yeah. I'm on the same page, man, really across the board with what you just said.
I want our listenership to grow. Not for the sake of us, but I think that... All right.
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Thinking about Fishers of Men, it is absolutely impossible, no matter who you are, to make,
to produce a podcast where weekly shows every week impacts everybody. Can't do it.
Right. Right. And again, Fishers of Men, I can't use the exact same bait across the board.
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I mean, I might catch fish using the same bait, but I'm not going to catch all sorts of different
types of fish using the same bait. So, I don't want a larger listenership for us. I want a larger
listenership. Just because I think that what we have to say can impact people in different ways.
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And there are going to be some shows where, for all I know, because I know I'm this way with some
of the shows that I listen to, there might be some episodes that don't connect with our listeners,
our normal listeners at all. I'll skip them. Yeah, right. Who cares?
I've done that. I listen to an ADHD podcast. It's probably one of the few podcasts I listen to,
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managing ADHD. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, no, I don't need this. Yeah, not today.
It's not for me. That's right. Yeah. Skip. Go to the next one.
But I really feel that what we talk about, what we're willing to talk about, and how we take our
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conversations can really impact and continue to impact people. Because shoot, man, they impact me.
Right? I mean, that's, again, coming down to it, anybody, you know, this is proverbs, right?
Anybody who thinks themselves wise is a fool already. And one of the first things that I said
when we got the podcast even going is I learned this early on in my own studies that the more that
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you begin to know, the more you should begin to realize you don't know. And so, I mean, yeah,
every time that you dive into something, either it affirms something I've already believed,
it refutes something I believed, or it's something I've never thought of, you know?
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So I really do want that for our listener base. One of the goals that I have for the show,
and I don't know how to do this because I've never done it, and I have no idea how much time
it's going to take, I really want to offer our listeners some merchandise. I want, like,
there's something, so listeners, I'll say this, for Christmas, we do draw names, you know,
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Brad and I and our family, we do draw names. I got Brad this year. And I got Brad several coffee
cups, but one of them was a customized Men's Church stuff coffee cup. And Brad and I, if you're
regular to the show, Brad and I, you will know, will not ever stop talking about coffee. And we
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really do want to share that joy with you guys, too. And it's cool to have, like, you know, your
own business, if you want to call it that, on our product. So that's something that I would like to
see. But listeners, one of the things that we need from you is not just continued support for,
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you know, for listening. Always, please, we can't have enough interaction. Interact with us.
You know, contact and interact with us. But also, what we need from you guys is to, you know,
continue to share the show with other people. Let folks know, you know, that our show's out there.
You can rate and review us on iTunes or Spotify. We actually are bigger on Spotify, I think,
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than we are on iTunes. But yeah, share the show. Let folks know that, you know, that it's something
that you listen to. Pray for us. Pray for us. A lot. I mean, I want to get on as many perpetual
prayer lists as I can. I can't be prayed for enough. Yeah, you're right. But listeners,
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to that end, thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Again, we're back. It's so good,
Brad, to record again. I have missed you, my brother. Listeners, I have missed recording
podcasts, knowing that you guys are gonna listen to it. I really have. So we're back. Remember that
if you're in the Jackson, Tennessee area on Martin Luther King Day, January 20, you take the
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code word to the North Store of Green Frog Coffee. The code word is New Year. But thank you guys so
much for being supporters of what Brad and I have felt like God has presented to us. We're gonna
continue to push forward, as Brad has mentioned, you know, with consistency. And if you guys want
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us to talk about something, anything, anything, let us know. Depending on what it is, we might
take a while to get to it, as you know, as we experience with the women in church leadership,
which by the way, was the number one show, number one listen to show in 2024. It is, it has quickly
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gotten to the fourth most most listened to show that we've put out, Brad. So beyond that, Brad,
I love you, buddy. Listeners, we love you. We will catch you next time.
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