June 16, 2025 • 72 mins
In this enlightening episode, host Mary welcomes Lori Lisai, a renowned human design mentor and coach dedicated to empowering women through midlife transformation.
Lori, a passionate advocate for self-discovery, shares her extraordinary journey from a 26-year career in education to embracing her true purpose as a human design guide. As the founder of the podcast Midlife by Design, Lori specializes in helping peri and menopausal women "shed the shoulds" and unlock their inner wild woman.
Lori delves into the fascinating world of human design, focusing on the five energy types—what they are, how they influence your life, and how understanding them can create profound self-acceptance and empowerment. She will analyze the chart of a generator type—representing about 37% of the population—highlighting how this knowledge can revolutionize your lifestyle, relationships, career, and mindset.
Be inspired as Lori shares practical tips and intuitive guidance to live authentically by your design. Curious about harnessing your unique energy? Find out your chart - it could reveal how to live your true self and step into the next chapter of life boldly.
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- Find Lori on YouTube, Instagram, and Faceboook
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Mary coaches individuals and guides organizations to create a menopause-friendly workplace, helping forward-thinking CEOs design policies to accommodate employees at work.
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Mary Lee (00:00):
Imagine going through life, figuring out who you are,
what your personality type is,and then suddenly you go through
menopause and all the thingsthat you believed about yourself
aren't so true anymore.
Or maybe they were wrong allalong and you now have an
opportunity to figure it out.
Well, let me tell you, today onthis episode, I was introduced
(00:22):
to human design.
Now I've heard about it before.
I think maybe I even took a quizsomewhere online But today I
took a real deeper dive, notonly into what it is and how
it's helping shape ourmidlife...
for the better.
I learned a lot about myself.
it was one of those wow, aha-moments.
(00:44):
Everything about the world, whowe are and this concept of our
subtle body and our energy andlike attracts like, why we're
drawn to certain energetictypes.
It all came together a onebeautiful explanation.
I owe it all to my guest, LoriLisai.
Unbelievable! I don't know whatmore to say about this episode
(01:06):
except the fact that I was blownaway.
I want you to stick around tothe very end, and then turn
around and share this with afriend.
Check out the YouTube version ofthis.
If you're listening on ApplePodcasts or anywhere else you
listen to your favorite show.
'cause you get to watch a video.
I've published a full videoversion of this interview
because we have a very specialtreat.
(01:28):
I'm sharing something very deepand personal too.
You have to stick around to findout what that's gonna be.
Welcome to the MenopauseDisruptor Podcast.
I'm your host, Mary Lee, afierce menopause doula and
licensed menopause champion,ready to challenge societal
norms around menopause.
Menopause is often shrouded instigma, misunderstanding, and
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limiting beliefs.
But here's the truth.
Hormonal change is a naturalpart of life and it deserves to
be embraced, understood, andcelebrated.
I aim to empower women who arenavigating the turbulent waters
with a wealth of knowledge inhormonal health, nutrition,
holistic living.
Each week we'll tackle the tabootopics surrounding menopause
with grit and honesty.
(02:12):
I'll be diving deep intoeverything from hormone
replacement therapy tonutrition, sleep, libido, and
often ignored aspects of heart,brain, bone, and pelvic health.
And continue to bring on theexperts in the field of women's
health and wellness who share mypassion of elevating women's
health and challenging thestatus quo.
Together we are debunking themyths and empowering you to
(02:34):
advocate for your wellbeing withconfidence.
It's time to disrupt thesedamaging and limiting beliefs
around menopause and rewrite ourstories.
Join me on this empoweringjourney where we aren't just
surviving, we are thriving.
Lori Lisai is a human designmentor and coach for midlife
women.
and host of the podcast, midlifeby Design.
(02:58):
She followed her intuition andleft a successful career in
teaching after 26 years toembark on her own
entrepreneurial journey, helpingperimenopause and menopause
women shed the shoulds and learnto follow their own inner
compass.
Through a mix of practicalapplication and intuitive
guidance in readings and herone-on-one coaching, Lori helps
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women step into the wild womanphase and leverage midlife to be
who they came here to be.
In this episode, we will talkabout what is human design and
how it is helpful for midlifewomen.
We'll talk about the fivedifferent energy types and shed
light on each one of ourpurposes.
Fun thing coming up on thisepisode, we're gonna do a real
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chart.
My chart, you're gonna find outabout me a little bit more, my
energy type when I was born, andthe things that I'm good at and
maybe not so good at.
It's gonna be an excitingepisode, so stick around.
Welcome to the MenopauseDisruptor Podcast.
We have so much ground to cover.
really excited to have you joinme, Lori.
Lori Lisai (04:06):
Thank you so much for having me, Mary.
I am so excited to have foundyou and to talk about this whole
menopause thing.
Mary Lee (04:16):
Yeah, I love that we're both on either side of the
spectrum, helping women throughperimenopause and menopause, but
you're designing whereas I amdisrupting.
And
Lori Lisai (04:29):
It's great.
Mary Lee (04:30):
my first question 'cause I know the listeners are
quite curious, if they don'tknow what this is already, I
have a little bit of knowledgeon it, but not much.
Lori Lisai (04:38):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (04:38):
us what the heck is human design.
Lori Lisai (04:42):
Yeah, great question.
Good place to start.
And essentially it's a tool forself-awareness when you, when
you boil it all down, that's thepurpose of human design.
And in terms of what it actuallyis a collection of systems that
(05:04):
meld together.
And it includes the Chinese ech,the chakra system, astrology,
western astrology, and itcombines sort of those esoteric
systems with science, so quantummechanics and genetics.
(05:26):
And it pulls them all togetherinto this big mixing pot and.
Because of that, because thereare so many systems, it's can be
pretty complicated.
So I like to just start withthat simplicity of, it's just a
tool for self-awareness, andwhen you learn how to read your
(05:47):
chart and start to decipher it,it's about just having language
for yourself to navigate what'shappening in your life.
Mary Lee (05:58):
Ah, kind of like your North Star or compass to give
you new direction
Lori Lisai (06:03):
Yeah.
Love that.
Mary Lee (06:05):
Such a pivotal phase in the life is menopause.
I really like one of theexpressions that you use, and
I've heard this said before andI've kind of adopted it as well.
Lori Lisai (06:14):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (06:15):
a second spring,
Lori Lisai (06:17):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (06:17):
stepping into that new season of our life where our
role shifts biologically fromthe reproduction to something
more, I dunno, or energetic,
Lori Lisai (06:30):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (06:31):
meaningful and purposeful.
So tell us then how human designis so helpful to, for women
navigating through themenopausal transition.
Lori Lisai (06:41):
Yeah.
I love how you described thatphase of the second STR spring
being this invitation intosomething that feels like a
different purpose.
And especially for those of uswho have taken the mothering
route and we've Right.
Gotten to this, this age whereour kids are growing up and they
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don't need us as much.
And so much of our lives havebeen rooted in being a mother
and helping our children growinto functioning beautiful
adults.
So we get to this phase in ourlives and.
It is, it feels like the rootsthat we've had are on, you know,
(07:30):
not on solid ground anymore,right?
Like, who are we now in this newphase?
And the reason I love humandesign is because it's a tool
that brings you back to who youactually came here to be.
So this is where human design,I, I guess you could say it gets
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a little woo.
I'm all about the woo.
But it's, it's the idea of howwe came into this lifetime,
choosing the design in our humandesign.
And oftentimes in life, we arefollowing other people's
expectations and right followinga path that.
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Has been laid out by society forus, and it's not until we hit
this phase for a lot of womenwhen we're actually asking that
question, who am I for me?
who do I wanna be for me now?
And this is my opportunity to betrue to myself and come back to
(08:37):
my truth.
So human design gives you aliteral map for that work and
for that curiosity, and it givesyou language to root yourself in
who you are.
Mary Lee (08:54):
Wow.
Wow.
So impactful, so powerful.
Uh, you are an epitome of this,this shift because you were a
Vermont school teacher.
Lori Lisai (09:06):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (09:07):
What, what was the impetus to lead you into this
transition?
Discovery, human design, andthen recognize I need to teach
this to others.
Lori Lisai (09:17):
Yeah, I loved teaching.
I loved the work that I wasdoing.
I loved working with students,and my colleagues were amazing.
So it wasn't at all about beingbored or unhappy or, you know,
anything like that.
It was just this pull of feelinglike there was something else
(09:41):
that I needed to do.
And I discovered human designwhen I was still teaching.
I had been taking amanifestation course actually,
and was really interested inthat and just starting to get
curious about thinking bigger,thinking beyond, you know, the,
the world that I was living inand.
(10:04):
That course led me to humandesign and it was such a, it was
a, a wake up.
I, I felt my whole body lean inand get excited and like, what
is this?
And I wanna know all the things.
And.
So I've been studying it sinceabout 2019.
(10:25):
The summer of 2019 was when Istarted to get super curious
about it and then took a acertification course and have,
have just been in, we call it anexperiment essentially, because
the idea of pulling all of thesesystems together is that, okay,
(10:45):
you get your human design bodygraph, it's called, it's the
map.
It's the thing that you look atand you take the information
that you're learning and youplay with it in your life and
you experiment.
So one of the things that I knewabout my reaction to human
design was that as a generatortype, which is an energy type,
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being pulled to that, beingdrawn to that and excited by it
meant that I.
This is something I shouldfollow.
This is a, a poll.
I should, I should continuegoing down this road.
So ultimately there were anumber of things that happened
at school.
It was post Covid 2021.
(11:29):
Uh, and I had this sort of, thismoment in a meeting where I knew
my body was so clear in tellingme I wasn't coming back because
the, we were having aconversation about the following
year and our principal decidedto, to go back to kind of status
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quo after COID.
And for me, I had spent a lot oftime working to change the
system and when she made thatdecision, I just remember
feeling in my gut like itdropped and I said, wow.
I don't, I am not coming backnext year.
This is crazy.
(12:12):
And it took me a few months tocome to, to be completely and,
uh, well completely might evenbe a stretch.
I, it was scary, you know,leaving a job that I had been
doing for 26 years wasterrifying.
Right.
And I, but I did it.
I, I felt the fear did itanyway.
(12:33):
And, uh, I love the work thatI'm doing now and working with
women using this tool,especially during this phase of
life, to help them do the samething if, you know, if that's
what they feel called to do orto leave any situation that has
been a challenge for them orthat just doesn't feel like it
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fits anymore and or to shift thesituation in some way so it does
feel like it's a better fit.
So that's, that's my littleabout my story.
Mary Lee (13:07):
Oh, thank you for sharing your story.
I think that would resonate,will resonate with so many
listeners who are at thispivotal point in their careers,
long careers, or even if you'renot, um, in the workforce, just
at that pivotal point wherethings have, like you said,
shifted and we start to sense inour own body sometimes for the
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very first time of getting toknow who we are, recognizing a
shift.
And what does that tell us?
And this is where the chakrasystem comes in.
The subtle body, the energeticbody.
Lori Lisai (13:41):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (13:42):
most, most of our lives, we go throughout life,
oblivious blind to the fact thatwe have this other language in
our body, the energy,
Lori Lisai (13:51):
Mm.
Mary Lee (13:51):
and it's constantly sending messages.
And I really appreciate the factthat you said this feeling in my
gut
Lori Lisai (13:59):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (13:59):
our gut.
I, I'm gonna take a pausebecause the Canadian Forest of
snowbirds are flying over houseright now and making all kinds
of noise.
This is their training ground.
Every year.
They come out here for a fewweeks
Lori Lisai (14:12):
Um,
Mary Lee (14:13):
So everybody loves it.
After a long career in theCanadian Air Force, this way
aviation, I'm like, oh, herethey go again.
don't you know I'm doing apodcast.
Lori Lisai (14:26):
Right,
Mary Lee (14:27):
this portion in here because this is what makes our
podcasting so authentic andreal.
People
Lori Lisai (14:32):
right.
I love it.
Mary Lee (14:33):
these
Lori Lisai (14:33):
love it.
Mary Lee (14:34):
conversations.
But back to what I was sayingabout this feeling in our gut.
Lori Lisai (14:38):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (14:39):
I love that you said that because our gut is always
talking to us.
that gut brain connection.
Lori Lisai (14:45):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (14:46):
and the work that I'm doing is more about teaching
women how to fuel it properly,how to use exercise and
nutrition as well as stressmanagement to really start to
tap into our true self.
But this really, Lori, is thefirst time that it's been framed
so brilliantly through the humandesign concept that we have a
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whole other part of who we are.
The energetic body, the partthat always was and will, always
will be and will continue longafter our vessel disintegrated,
but our energy continues.
But bringing it back to, whilethat energy is still with us and
our present day bodies.
I'm curious by now to know whatare the different types of in
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the human design and how doesone go about figuring out their
human design?
Lori Lisai (15:38):
Yeah, great question and I would love to, uh, to talk
a little bit about your chart aswell as we're moving through
these.
One of the things that.
We were just talking about thegut connection is super strong
for two of the energy types.
(16:00):
So in human design, similar toastrology for example, where in
astrology somebody might ask youyour, what's your sign?
And they mean, what's your sunsign?
So you were born May 28th, so,Gemini, right?
Mary Lee (16:18):
that's right.
Mm-hmm.
Lori Lisai (16:19):
Gemini.
so you're a Gemini Sun Withhuman design though, it's the
same thing where you plug inyour birth information.
So it's based on that time.
And where you were born, youwant to be as accurate as
possible.
So you plug in your birthinformation and it generates
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your human design chart for me.
I have a chart generator on mywebsite, so you can go to lori
lisa.com and go to get yourchart and it, you'll generate it
for free.
And then you'll get the chartitself, which looks like a bunch
of shapes and some numbers andsome lines that are connecting
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them.
And you get a sense if youoverlay the chart on a human, it
looks like there's, you know,you can kind of see the chakra
system within it and.
Those shapes are all calledenergy centers.
And then there are energy types.
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So similar to that idea of thesun sign, there are energy types
in human design, there are fiveof them.
And energy type is like the rolethat you came here to play.
It's like how your energyinteracts with other people.
So, yeah.
(17:44):
Yeah.
So the.
Mary Lee (17:47):
Okay.
Lori Lisai (17:48):
so the five different types are, the first
one that I like to start withare Manifestors, and they are
about 9% of the population, sopretty rare type.
And they are here to be ourleaders, our initiators, they,
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they're kind of our firestarters.
And what can be challengingabout being a manifester is that
most of the time people don'tknow what you're talking about
because you are, you've gottenthis idea or this creative urge
that you want to go hard on, andyou're literally blazing a new
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trail so people don't understandbecause we haven't heard of it
yet, or it's something I.
Mary Lee (18:41):
like the Einsteins of the world?
Lori Lisai (18:43):
Like, oh, that is a great question.
I don't actually know whatenergy type Einstein was.
I'm gonna have to look that up.
that's a great question.
it's a similar idea though ofYeah.
People who are coming and, andsaying things, you know, that
you're, you're just like, what?
Okay.
(19:04):
Uh, and I think learning thatyou are a manifester can be so.
Helpful to you because you'velived this life where people
don't understand you or don'tget you, or, or they're
struggling to, connect with you.
And understanding that this isjust the way that your energy
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works can be such a blessing toyou.
And, and it can help you to giveyou permission to continue doing
what you're doing and justunderstand that's the way that
your energy works.
You know, you came hereintending for that design to be
the way it is in order to dowhat you wanted to do in this,
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version of your human suit.
and a manifester.
Each of the energy, energy typeshas an aura, uh, type.
And the manifester is.
This veil, it's, it's sort ofdifficult to see behind the veil
until they feel like aninvitation into that energy is,
(20:15):
is needed or warranted.
So.
Mary Lee (20:17):
Okay.
Lori Lisai (20:18):
Those are manifesters, our trailblazers.
Then we have projectors, whichare about 20% of our population,
and projectors are here toguide.
They are the people who can lookat a situation and see with such
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clarity what needs to beaddressed or fixed on a, usually
on a like systems level.
But they, are beautiful humans.
Their energy type is, or sorry,their aura is piercing, and
essentially that piercing auralets them see into other people
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really deeply.
So super cool kind of, energytype.
Then we have generators.
And generators are the mostcommon energy type.
They are about 37% of thepopulation.
And what makes a generator agenerator is that their sacral
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is defined.
And this is coming back to thetalk about your gut feeling.
So generators.
And then the next type that I'lltalk about are those are the
ones that are gonna have thestrongest relationship with a
gut feeling.
Manifestors and projectors don'thave a defined sacral, so their
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experience of that gut feelingis going to be very inconsistent
compared to a generator or amanifesting generator.
So generators.
Yeah.
So sometimes you can be inconversation with somebody and
be talking about that gut andthat gut connection.
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And I mean, trauma definitelyplays into it.
I think how well we can connectwith our gut feeling, but also
energy type.
You know, if you are a projectoror a manifestor or a reflector,
then that connection to your gutand that feeling, it's not gonna
be as strong as a generator or amanifesting generator.
(22:36):
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (22:38):
spinoff questions, but keep going.
Keep going.
Lori Lisai (22:41):
Okay.
Uh, so generators are here areas our builders, essentially as
our creatives.
They are here.
The, if you look out at anythingthat exists in the world, a
generator is behind it becauseyou need to have somebody to
create the thing.
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And if we're tracking each ofthe energy types and how they
all kind of fit together, likethis puzzle, it's the
manifestors are where the ideascome from.
It's how we get going.
The projectors are here to guidethe energy of generators and
manifesting generators who arethe creatives.
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So we all kind of work together,ideally, ideally.
Mary Lee (23:31):
Fabulous stuff.
Lori Lisai (23:33):
The generator aura is magnetic and enveloping.
So you think of a generator auraas like a warm, juicy hug.
it's very lovely energy.
People love to be around it.
so Mary, both you and I aregenerators, and what's
interesting about this is peopledo love that energy and they're
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drawn to it.
And the most important thing wecan learn to say is no.
Uh, basically like I am notavailable to give you my energy
right now.
I need to, yeah.
Mary Lee (24:11):
yeah.
I'm getting shivers down myarms.
Ooh,
Lori Lisai (24:15):
Hmm.
I love that.
I love that.
And actually, your response tothat was such a sacral response.
You know, there's so much Icould talk about, with this.
But let's talk about manifestinggenerators who are 33% of the
population, and this is the onlyhybrid type.
They are a little bit manifesterand a little bit generator.
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And how that plays out reallydepends on their chart.
Some manifesting generators aremore manifester, some are more
generator, and some are what wethink of as pure manifesting
generators.
So either way it means that theycan do a bit of initiating and
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they also are here to have thatsacral response form.
First and foremost, they are agenerator type.
But, the difference between agenerator and a manifesting
generator is that generators arehere to build momentum.
They're just moving along at,you know, at a pace.
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Just do, do keep going.
I think of the tortoise and thehare when I think about
manifesting generators andgenerators.
And then the mangen is here tobe efficient and to spot
efficiencies and tends to move alot more quickly.
So they're darting all around,trying different things circling
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back around.
So they may end up at the finishline around the same time, but
the manifesting generator hastried a bunch of different
things, whereas the generator ismore likely to be on one track
working forward.
Yeah.
And then the, and the last typeare reflectors.
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Reflectors are just 1% of thepopulation.
So reflectors are super rare.
And what defines a reflector isif you look at your body graph,
every single center is notcolored in.
And essentially what that meansis that they are our cosmic
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mirrors.
So if we think about the purposeof all of the different types,
manifestors here to initiate.
Projectors are here to guidegenerators and manifesting
generators here to create andbuild efficiencies.
Reflectors are here as ourcosmic mirrors.
They're here to.
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Show us the kind of the wellnessof usually an organization or,
what whatever, some kind ofgroup.
And that's because they areconsistently, their aura is
called sampling.
So they are taking on andborrowing bits of energy from
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the people around them andtrying it on for size and gen,
reflectors are here to be deeplyconnected with the moon cycle,
the lunar cycle, uh, in order tocome to clarity.
so those are the five energytypes and yeah.
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You said you had a bunch ofquestions,
Mary Lee (27:34):
Oh my goodness.
Lori Lisai (27:34):
which you got
Mary Lee (27:38):
Well, it's, I'm excited, first of all to find
out that I'm a generator
Lori Lisai (27:42):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (27:43):
and I hope that the listeners, I know that the
listeners are gonna be reallyexcited going, okay, I gotta go
to Lori's website and figure outwhat type I am as well.
But with, okay.
Step back first.
How does the time,'cause yousaid you plug in the time where
you were born and the date.
Um, a natal chart, how does thatinfluence?
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the time and place where in theplanet you were born, how does
that influence,
Lori Lisai (28:12):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (28:12):
'cause essentially it's saying we choose to come to
this earth at a particular time,so we answer it right at that
window of opportunity thatdetermines whether we're gonna
be any one of these five
Lori Lisai (28:24):
Yeah,
Mary Lee (28:25):
types.
So
Lori Lisai (28:26):
you,
Mary Lee (28:27):
that come into play?
Lori Lisai (28:29):
you got it.
And I know one of the questionsI get is, well, if I was born by
cesarean does that change whatmy, what my design would have
been?
And the answer to that is no.
However you were born is exactlywhat you wanted, however it
happened.
Uh, so the timing piece is, thisis where the science comes in.
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And what's interesting is thegentleman who downloaded human
design as a system.
When he was sharing theinformation, he talked about
neutrinos, which are thetiniest, tiniest bits of energy
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of matter that are floatingthrough the air, through the
ether at any time that haveinformation on them.
And they are, they're constantlypassing through our human bodies
and the things that look, solidaround us.
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they're constantly in the ether,essentially.
And when you decided to.
Come in to be birthed.
There, there was the neutrinostream that was coming through
at that time.
And so it, it, the idea is thatit, it makes this imprint on
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you.
So you have two sides to yourhuman design chart.
When you look at, the chart onthe right hand side is what's
called personality or yourconscious side.
And then on the left hand sideyou'll see design or your
unconscious side.
And the personality side is thatmoment of birth.
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And then the design side is 88days before your birth.
So you had two differentimprints that happened, one
coming in at the time of yourbirth and then one coming into
you in utero.
And what's fascinating is.
Raw, which is the man's name whochanneled the system talks, was
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talking about neutrinos.
And then it wasn't until yearslater that scientists actually
even proved that neutrinos werea thing that they existed.
Uh, and there's still lots ofresearch about neutrinos and
how, you know, and I guess thisis where you really have to
believe that we are all one insome way, shape, or form.
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And that there are these pieces,that connect us all.
So that's why the exact time isimportant and because the
planets are shifting all thetime and.
Essentially that means that theway that their energies are
affecting us here on Earth isshifting.
(31:33):
And so having that exact timehelps us to see, okay, where
were they during that time?
And how then did they impact youcoming earth's, you know, coming
here?
Mary Lee (31:46):
Oh, wow.
Everything you say, you justspin off.
Another bazillion questionscomes into my mind, but let's
make it, let's simplify it.
Lori, we
Lori Lisai (31:59):
Okay.
Mary Lee (31:59):
before we hit record about showing a live example, a
Lori Lisai (32:03):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (32:04):
of a chart.
should we do it?
Lori Lisai (32:09):
Yes.
Let's do it.
Mary Lee (32:10):
to all the listeners to figure out just who the heck
this Mary person is
Lori Lisai (32:14):
Yes.
Mary Lee (32:16):
at our human design.
Lori Lisai (32:17):
Yes.
Mary Lee (32:18):
Beautiful.
Lori Lisai (32:19):
is.
I love this because now I, I'mable to share with you what, the
specifics are.
So when I talked about thepersonality side, I'm talking
about this da the blocks or thenumbers that are all down this
side.
And, and so this is, the designthat you chose coming in on your
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conscious side, and then this isyour design side or your
unconscious side.
Each of these shapes, roughlycorrelate to the chakra system.
Although in the chakra system,traditionally there are seven
chakras, right?
And in human design there arenine energy centers.
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So the heart, splits into the,this is called the G center or
the identity center.
and if you're listening, the Gor the identity is the diamond
in the middle of the chart.
And then the ego or heart centeris the little triangle that kind
of pops off of it.
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And then, the sacral splits intothe spleen center, which is the
triangle on the left facinginward toward the center of the
chart toward the bottom.
And then the emotional solarplexus.
you are a generator type.
And what makes you a generator?
The mechanics of a generator arethat you have this sacral
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center, it's called defined.
Defined means that it's coloredin.
So you see how Mary, if you'relistening to this episode, as
opposed to watching it, Mary hasher head, her Ajna, her throat,
and her identity, or G Center,which are the top four shapes.
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Those are all undefined and orshe actually has a completely
open head.
But these are all undefined andthat just means that they're
white or depending on the chartthat you're looking at, they're
not colored in.
And then.
and then she has all of the restof the centers defined.
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So you have a defined heart, adefined solar plexus, sacral,
spleen, and root.
And what makes you thatgenerator is that you are a
sacral.
You have that center defined,but it's not connected to the
throat center if your sacral wassomehow connected to the throat.
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Through these lines here, thesesort of, that look like tubes or
circuits.
these are called channels.
And if you had somethingconnected to the throat with
your defined sacral, then that'swhat makes you a manifesting
generator.
Mary Lee (35:05):
Okay.
Lori Lisai (35:07):
I didn't mention this earlier, but the.
But to come back to this, Ithink this is an important point
about the energy types.
Manifesting generators are 33%of the population and generators
are that 37%.
So together generator types makeup 70% of the population.
(35:27):
And essentially what that meansis we live in a generator driven
world,
Mary Lee (35:33):
Oh.
Lori Lisai (35:35):
this is where it can be really helpful for people who
don't have this sacral defined,who we call non sacral, like
manifestors projectors orreflectors.
When they learn that they don'thave this sacral energy, it's
usually a huge aha moment.
(35:56):
Like, wow, okay.
I am not lazy, I am not, just.
I'm not exhausted all the timebecause something's wrong with
me.
It's because I've been trying tolive like a generator type my
entire life, and this is mypermission slip to stop doing
that.
(36:17):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (36:19):
Oh wow.
This is incredible.
I'm reading all the information,the details on
Lori Lisai (36:25):
Over here.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (36:28):
so.
Lori Lisai (36:29):
go ahead.
Mary Lee (36:30):
what really strikes me the most on is the strategy, how
you take action and interactwith the world.
I wait to respond.
That, let me tell you, when youare working in a corporate
workplace and you are agenerator, this is just like the
light bulb is going off here andyou take, you're sitting around
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those board meetings and you'retaking in all this information.
Of course, my line of work wascommunications.
Not surprising.
I'm a Gemini
Lori Lisai (37:00):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (37:00):
we do.
But when you wait and you takeit all in and you strategize
that gap of not speaking, notresponding or jumping in to
feel, the gap of silence isoften misinterpreted as she
doesn't get it or she's anairhead and then that plays on
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your.
Mental wellbeing.
go through the automaticnegative thought process.
hell's the matter with me.
I'm not fitting in.
But we can't render a decisionbecause we have to let it in the
gut, so to speak, and have thatright feeling of when it's right
act.
(37:46):
With that in mind.
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (37:48):
Oh my gosh.
Mary Lee (37:48):
mind, then, I would imagine now, Lori, the work that
you're doing is then helpingwomen at this pivotal time in
their lives to take in thisinformation be completely okay
with who they have to beenergetically in order to honor
their human design.
(38:09):
Am I right?
Lori Lisai (38:10):
100%
Mary Lee (38:12):
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (38:13):
actually can, I would love to reflect for you
how your human designillustrates all of the things
that you just talked about.
So you talked about waiting torespond, and that is tapping
into that gut feeling.
The idea for generator types isthat you, you wait to respond.
(38:39):
And what you're waiting for isthat gut feeling.
You're waiting for your gut toremember how I was saying
earlier that I knew when I hadthe gut drop that I was leaving
Mary Lee (38:53):
Mm-hmm.
Lori Lisai (38:54):
when I found human design, I had this like, oh,
what?
Like super excited.
I felt pulled toward it.
Right?
So that's the response thatyou're waiting for is that gut
check.
Now what another thing you saidwas, I need the time to let it
percolate, to let it sit.
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And you are an emotionalauthority.
So your authority in humandesign is how you are designed
to make decisions.
And this is such, I'm so gladyou said that, because a lot of
times what happens, especiallywith some of the other markers
in your chart, is.
People could tend to jump rightin.
(39:37):
They could get that, sacralresponse and be super excited
about something and just wannago for it.
But you are saying, I, I needthat time to let it percolate.
And 50% of the population hasthis solar plexus authority,
which essentially, when you boilit all down, just means you need
(40:00):
to wait.
You need to take your time,sleep on it at least once, at
least one night if you can,depending on the size of the
situation.
You know, if you're an emotionalauthority, you're not gonna wait
a night to figure out what toeat for dinner, but.
If it's, if it's a decision withsome weight, you wanna take
time.
And the reason is because you'rewaiting for more information to
(40:24):
come into your purview, to comeinto your world, to give you
kind of these breadcrumbs tolead you to a, to clarity, to a
strong decision.
And emotional authorities aredriven by an emotional wave,
(40:44):
which means that you need togive yourself time to feel
through the whole wave.
Instead of making, especiallysacrals, they're like, oh my
God, that sounds so great.
That's so exciting.
And we wanna jump right in basedon that excitement.
And then we don't let it sit.
And then the next day we'relike, oh my God, why did I
(41:06):
commit to that?
Or why?
Right?
Yeah.
Mary Lee (41:10):
why did I spend$10,000 on a bloody digital course I
don't need?
Lori Lisai (41:16):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So with the emotional solarplexus, you talked about letting
it percolate.
That is beautiful.
And exactly what I would want tohear from you.
However, because most peopledon't understand that half the
population has this authority.
They, our tendency, especiallybeing 70% generators in the
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world, is like, well, if you'resmart, that means you can make
decisions right on your feet.
And it means you can knowexactly what you want right in
the moment.
Very masculine kind of energy.
And for you, you have acompletely open head.
The head center is all aboutinspiration and ideas, and then
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you have an undefined ajna,which is our filter.
It's where we take those ideasand form opinions about them.
And so when you, when it's openor undefined, it means that it's
inconsistent.
You have room, you can see bothsides of something you take in
(42:26):
and amplify other people's ideasand inspirations.
So the challenge of having thethese centers either open or
undefined, is that you can getinto that.
Well, I don't know enough or Idon't know the answer,
therefore, I.
I must be stupid or whatever.
(42:47):
So you were reflecting that aswell, right?
Is
Mary Lee (42:50):
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (42:51):
this feeling of oh, how do I sit and wait and feel
grounded in that?
And this is where I love humandesign so much because it gives
you the language and you canlook at your chart and say, wow,
okay, there's nothing wrong withme.
I am actually doing exactly whatI came here to do.
(43:11):
And I can start to, we call itdecondition, right?
Pull off those layers ofexpectation of feeling like we
should be something else, or weshould be following somebody
else's plan and just be who wecame here to be.
Mary Lee (43:31):
Hmm.
Wow.
I would also say on the flipside is that for me, knowing
this generator type now and thatit's the gut feeling.
Taking my time to reallystrategize and think things over
is my nature.
However, the moment I'm in asituation where I recognize
(43:51):
something isn't right, I have atendency to dive right away and
call it out for what it is it'slike I've been punched in the
gut and my whole body is saying,I call bs.
This isn't right.
Or I see the injustice in theworld and I'm just,
Lori Lisai (44:11):
Wow.
Mary Lee (44:11):
I have to honor that.
But at other times I think, oh,I should have reigned it in a
little bit.
I could be a little bit, alittle bit feisty, a little bit
of a disruptor.
Lori Lisai (44:19):
Mm-hmm.
That's a beautiful thing.
Mary Lee (44:23):
and that's very much part of that generator type.
Lori Lisai (44:27):
Not necessarily generator.
So a couple of things I wouldsay about that one, uh, you have
a defined spleen, which thespleen is about, its intuition.
our center for intuition.
So you're attuned to whensomething feels off, there's
Yeah.
There's also the, in the spleen,it's also this safety mechanism.
(44:52):
It's the oldest energy center.
It's the one that we, yeah, it'sthe one that we share with
animals.
And so it's that energy of I'munsafe.
I am, I'm running away before Ieven realize what's happening
kind of thing.
those are the two things that Iwould say that are connected
(45:13):
there.
There are some other things, butfor beginners, I think it's good
not to get too, too into theweeds and, okay.
I'll say one more thing, whichis your personality, line.
So there's something calledprofile, which is your
personality.
It's similar to the role thatyou play.
You're a two four, and that twoline is a natural at things.
(45:40):
Oftentimes things come easily toyou.
It can be a situation wheresomebody might look at you and
say, how on earth did you dothis?
Or, how did you even know to dothis?
And to you, it just feels likeblinking or breathing, to you,
you're like, what?
Everybody doesn't do that orknow how to do that.
(46:03):
so I feel like there's a flavorof that coming in potentially as
well.
Mary Lee (46:08):
All right.
We could spend a lot of timejust talking about MyChart, but
I definitely wanna bring thisback to something that's
relevant and relatable for allthe listeners in menopause.
There are things that you offerto your clients
Lori Lisai (46:21):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (46:21):
tell us about all your courses.
Because my interest has beenpeaked.
I'm sure the listeners'interests have been peaked,
whether they're watching it thechart, and just getting a
general sense of, um, knowingthat 37% of us, well, 70, all
combined are the generators.
I'm sure that this has justtweaked so much curiosity.
So tell everybody how they canwork more one-on-one with you.
Lori Lisai (46:43):
Yeah, for sure.
So I do one-on-one coaching, uh,just.
Essentially what that looks likeis coming to me with something
that's going on, usually relatedto perimenopause, midlife
transitions, that type of thing.
And then working together, usingyour chart to bring you more
(47:05):
clarity, to get you unstuck, tostart to help you shift into
feeling like you're living whoyou wanna be and you're being
who you want to be.
Mary Lee (47:18):
Mm.
Lori Lisai (47:19):
and I used the word permission earlier.
I think that human design givesyou the permission that
oftentimes you don't even knowyou're looking for.
So that is a longer.
Almost like a one long reading,where we spend the time over,
usually three to six monthsworking together.
(47:41):
So I have that and I also offerreadings.
Just, you know, let's sit downand look at your chart and we
can break it apart.
We can, again, because I'm agenerator, I tend to ask people,
what do you, what exactly do youwanna look at?
what's going on in your life?
That we could pull some threadsin human design.
So you feel like, okay, I amlearning about myself and I'm
(48:05):
also helping, helping to getmyself out of a bind in some
way.
Usually people are seeking thisknowledge because they're
looking to better some part oftheir life in some way.
Mary Lee (48:17):
Mm-hmm.
Lori Lisai (48:17):
offer, readings And then I have a group program
called Midlife Magic that willbe launching relatively soon.
and you can get on the wait listthere, on my website for that.
And then I have a freeperimenopause survival guide
that is, yeah, it's based onyour energy type.
(48:41):
So
Mary Lee (48:42):
Oh.
Lori Lisai (48:42):
run your chart and it's customized to you and your
energy.
And you can learn about not onlyyour energy type, but also as
it, how it relates toperimenopause and your
experience in perimenopause.
And what can you do to bettertake care of yourself based on
your energy type.
Mary Lee (49:03):
Oh wow.
There's just so much.
Lori Lisai (49:06):
I know.
Mary Lee (49:08):
I'm a true believer.
I dunno if this is a generatortype, but I am a true believer
that the universe always hasyour back.
Lori Lisai (49:16):
Mm,
Mary Lee (49:16):
attention to those little bread crumbs, really lean
into that.
Um, and that's the trust yourgut part.
Lori Lisai (49:23):
it is.
Mary Lee (49:24):
the universe is sending you signs all the time.
Lori Lisai (49:27):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (49:28):
it's reading your mind.
It's like, oh, and that's whathappened.
I swear with me.
It's like, Hmm, you need to meetLori.
Okay.
Here's Laurie, and she's justtold me what my design is, which
someone and, my listeners, knowthis by now'cause I talk about a
lot, but someone who's had PTSDfrom occupational stress injury,
(49:49):
and then you add on a concussbrain, a head injury,
Lori Lisai (49:53):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (49:54):
and then menopause.
So if you've had any underlyingneurodivergent traits and, and
park that thought,'cause I wannaget back to that
neurodivergency.
So you add those three thingsand the neuro neurodivergent
traits tend to come backtenfold.
Once the estrogen leaves thebody, it's like, hey, surprise,
guess what?
We're here again.
So for those three things,
Lori Lisai (50:15):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (50:15):
and then you're going through life and trying to
figure out why, why do I do whatI do?
Is it because of the injury?
Is it because of the PTSD?
And it's really easy for us togo into that negative thought
pattern really easy because thebrain's job is to protect the
body.
The brain's job is to say, I'vebeen assigned to help you
(50:36):
survive in this world.
And so you have hyper vigilance,beyond control and trust, issues
beyond control, and a tendencyto yourself and internalize
everything that's going on.
This Lori, to me, has beenliterally my permission slip to
be human
Lori Lisai (50:57):
Mm
Mary Lee (50:58):
terms,
Lori Lisai (50:59):
mm.
Mary Lee (50:59):
by my design.
Oh, that should be the title ofthe podcast.
Lori Lisai (51:03):
Love it.
Mary Lee (51:03):
Slip to Be Human.
By your design.
Okay.
And we're onto something.
But see what I mean?
Like this is, this has been soenlightening and it's, it's
coincides so nicely with where Iam in my transition having come
out the other end saying, Idon't wanna fricking do
corporate anymore.
I wanna help women because thiswas my pain point and now my
(51:26):
mess is my message, and
Lori Lisai (51:28):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (51:28):
them through their transformation to get the same
results that I am getting, isexactly what you're doing, of
course, too.
But I really believe that theuniverse just comes along,
right?
Right.
When you need a little somethingjust to remind you, Hey,
remember that design, rememberyour blueprint, it's all in
there.
Lori Lisai (51:46):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (51:47):
just start trusting your gut.
Trust your gut.
I say that a lot.
Trust your gut.
A wise woman when she entersmenopause and then steps out on
the other side is I.
Able to lean into thatintuition, which is the gut,
which is the third eye ofcourse.
and I really find her her truepurpose.
You are a blessing Laurie, but
Lori Lisai (52:07):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (52:08):
go back to that part about neuro divergency
Lori Lisai (52:11):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (52:12):
you were describing all five of the energy types,
but the manifesters that they,have trouble with communicating
their ideas, their bright ideas,because they're nonsensical to a
lot of people and that they havethis aura type was, you said the
veil.
Lori Lisai (52:32):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (52:32):
It's kind of covered their aura type, so it was hard
for their energy to I'mwondering if individuals with a
neurodivergent trait are.
to be a little bit moremanifesters.
Now, not to say that if you wereborn at the certain time and
place and point that you'regonna have a neurodivergent
trait, but I'm just wondering ifthat neurodivergency is a
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prominent feature so that theycan be manifesters.
Does that make any sense?
Lori Lisai (53:02):
It does, and I'm not sure that I would equate or that
I would make a, a deepconnection at the energy level.
I.
for human design types.
However, like I said, it's a, abunch of different systems,
right, that are connected.
And I would, I like to look atthe gates, which are, when
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you're looking at the chart,it's the numbers.
Those are all the numbers.
Those are called gates.
And, there's one in particularthat I look at, which is gate
nine.
And, actually I'm just gonnashare my screen again so we can
look at your chart because it'sa great example.
so.
Gate nine is down here in thesacral and it's reaches toward
(53:53):
the root center.
The root has Gate 52, which whenthose two are both defined,
you'll have the 9 52 channel,which is the channel of
concentration, and Gate nine isthe side of, or the half of the
channel That's really aboutfocus on details and under
(54:17):
understanding most importantly,what details to focus on.
so
Mary Lee (54:24):
I'm a detail oriented person.
Lori Lisai (54:26):
yeah, and, and the thing about a DHD is, it's not
necessarily that people who.
Have a DHD as an example, haveproblem focusing.
It's that they can behyper-focused on something,
right?
And that can be the challenge.
(54:47):
there's a little bit of both,right?
There is like distractibility,but also that hyper focus.
And the trick is understandingyourself well enough to know
what are the environments I canput myself in?
what are the conditions it worksbest in?
so when you have gate nine andyou don't have Gate 52, you
don't have the full channel,it's gonna be a little bit more
(55:10):
challenging for you, in regardsto the focus piece, because you
don't have that flow of energy,you have the half.
And so what I would say here isa hack for, for your listeners
and for you yourself.
If you find that you're havingtrouble focusing, get out of the
house and go work in a coffeeshop or a library or someplace
(55:34):
where you can be around otherpeople, because what happens is
if you look at your chart andyou see all of these little
numbers that are like halfway,they're half of a channel.
So for you, for example, you'vegot nine, you don't have the 52.
that nine, think of it like alittle energy tendril that's
(55:54):
out.
It's electromagnetic.
So it's looking for the 52.
The 52,
Mary Lee (56:00):
interesting.
Lori Lisai (56:01):
yeah.
So the 52 is the gate ofstillness.
It's the gate that brings youthat ability to sit still and
just be, and allow that focus tocome in.
Interesting.
I have the Gate 52.
So together, when we're togetherand talking, we complete this
(56:23):
channel together.
And if you go to a coffee shopand you're around somebody, prob
if there are a bunch of peoplearound, you're bound to be
around somebody who has thatgate 52.
So you can lock in and you mightfind that it's easier to focus.
you still can put yourheadphones in or whatever you
(56:43):
need to help you really dial inyour environment.
if you get distracted by soundsor whatever.
But you're sort of borrowingthat energy for that time period
to help you focus.
Mary Lee (56:57):
Oh my goodness.
Is this.
What they mean by our energy,like vibration, like attracts
like, So would this be like weare receptors for that opposing,
or I shouldn't say posing thatcomplimentary energy to complete
the channel?
Is
Lori Lisai (57:12):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (57:12):
when they say you're drawn to the energy of others
Lori Lisai (57:16):
Yeah.
This is, yeah.
This is how the energetics work.
Yeah, exactly.
It's sort of that idea of youcomplete me, you know, in in an
energetic way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (57:29):
is fascinating.
I just learned somethingincredible right now that is so
interesting.
And I'm looking at this thing.
There's a lot of empty channelsor open channels and then
there's
Lori Lisai (57:41):
So.
Mary Lee (57:41):
of half open channels
Lori Lisai (57:44):
So when you have a gate, it's called a hanging
gate.
When it's half of a channel, youthink of it as like this tendril
that's hanging, waiting toconnect with the other half of
it.
Mary Lee (57:57):
Oh, interesting.
Lori Lisai (57:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (58:00):
go around life saying, oh, you're nothing but a hanging
gate,
Lori Lisai (58:07):
Right.
Mary Lee (58:08):
oh, this is so cool.
So, we can actually do thingsthen in our lives.
we're not stuck with this.
This isn't permanent.
We can actually do, exercises ortake on activity that helps that
channel complete,
Lori Lisai (58:24):
right.
yeah.
Mary Lee (58:25):
Wow!
Lori Lisai (58:25):
You're, you came in with your design on purpose, so
I don't want your listeners tothink you're looking to fix
yourself in any way because thiswas the design that you came
here to live out.
It's more like.
Some hacks or some tricks whenyou're trying to accomplish
(58:46):
something or you're trying tohave a better understanding of
something.
Yes, you can borrow people'senergy for a little while, and
just noticing that, oh, okay, Ifeel unfocused today.
I'm gonna go work in the coffeeshop and see if that makes a
difference.
You know, you're doing thatfavor for yourself and then you
(59:06):
can go back home and, be totallyunfocused or be feeling all over
the place.
And then who knows, maybe youget, five different areas of
your house clean because onething leads to another, to
another, to an, you know, likerandom things come together and
you allow your, what feels likeit's out of focus to just lead
(59:27):
you to where you're meant to bewhen it's not structured and you
don't need to accomplish aspecific thing,
Mary Lee (59:35):
And on the, on the flip side.
We have our design that we choseand came to this world with.
Lori Lisai (59:41):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (59:42):
to the point about a neurodivergent trait or any
condition that we've beenexposed to within our lifetime,
Lori Lisai (59:47):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (59:48):
a condition, a medical situation, an injury and illness
that doesn't necessarily definethe energy type.
It just kinda can shape it.
No matter what energy type weare, whatever other conditions
or layers we have with ourselvescan shape how we act out.
(01:00:10):
But then when we go back to ourdesign, we can learn again,
okay, this is my design.
No matter what has happened tome, I can still use the design
to find my truth.
Lori Lisai (01:00:19):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:00:23):
I'm glad you found me.
Lori Lisai (01:00:24):
Yes, me too.
Mary Lee (01:00:26):
help me work on something here and I feel so
energized and full of greatideas and my brain is just,
yeah.
Lori Lisai (01:00:35):
Yay.
Oh, I love it.
I'm so excited.
That's so great.
I,
Mary Lee (01:00:40):
excited.
Lori Lisai (01:00:40):
yeah.
Anytime I'm able to introducesomebody to human design is a
win because it's made such adifference for me in helping me
navigate perimenopause andreally giving myself permission
to do the things that I wanna doand to understand how I work.
You know, it's like a manual foryourself.
(01:01:03):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:01:04):
you've said it perfectly and in the context of
lifestyle protocols for managingthe midlife transition, we can
follow the key protocols oflifestyle.
So our nutrition and exercise,the more that we can, help our
body physically, we are helpingit energetically so that we have
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the ability to open up thosechannels and create more of a
mind body connection.
That's a whole other discussion.
But back to simple lifestyleprotocols for managing
menopause.
Exercise, what we eat, how wemanage stress, and sleep
management.
Things we can do to improve oursleep because sleep is the pan
as far as I'm concerned foreverything.
(01:01:46):
then the sense of community.
But now you got those five, thisis like the sixth protocol,
which is yourself thatpermission can shape and change
the body and change what you eatand management.
But now you have this this.
(01:02:07):
This chart, like you
Lori Lisai (01:02:09):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:02:10):
heading that tells you everything that you are doing
falls within this design, andhere is your permission to have
the personality that you havewith it within the context of
all the other systems that wehave.
We find ourselves in this, inthis dense, earthly planet.
Lori Lisai (01:02:33):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And I, I love that you named offall of the different, uh, kind
of.
Protocols and ways to approachperimenopause and menopause and
human design has something tosay about all of those.
Actually it even like you can,for example, an exercise routine
(01:02:54):
for a non sacral being versus asacral being.
I would approach those twothings differently.
a projector will probably becompletely exhausted.
With a five day, lifting weightsroutine or a lot of cardio
throughout perimenopause andmenopause versus a generator
(01:03:15):
type that might be supportivefor them.
Another thing that might comeinto play would be their root.
if you have a defined route oran undefined route, there's a
big difference between how thosetwo function.
Human design also talks aboutour digestion and how we take in
not only food, but information.
So for example, your digestionis nervous touch, and
(01:03:38):
essentially what that means isthat it's best for you to kind
of be in this like buzzing,moving around.
I don't know if you eat on thego, but that is, that is
supportive for you if you areable to eat on the go or to eat
while you're doing somethingelse, or to just have some
(01:03:58):
action and moving around.
Yes, yes.
Mary Lee (01:04:02):
I'm sitting at the dinner table, my leg is
fidgeting, dinking, ding, dink,ding, dink, ding,
Lori Lisai (01:04:05):
There you go.
Yes.
Mary Lee (01:04:06):
still.
Lori Lisai (01:04:07):
Right.
And, and this is a great exampleof these, these gurus who come
out with this blanket statementof, when you're eating, you
really should sit in quiet andpay attention to every bite that
you take and et cetera, etcetera.
And yes, for some people, forexample, if you are calm, touch,
(01:04:28):
yes, that is perfect.
Sit in quiet, try to have yourenvironment be as calm as
possible.
But that's not going to be, I.
Productive or helpful for thedigestion of somebody who has
nervous touch, who has, highsound or something like that.
there are digestions that are,there's one called consecutive,
(01:04:48):
for example, where it's best foryou if you, let's use the
Thanksgiving dinner plate as anexample.
Here.
You sit down, you have a bigplate of all the different
things instead of mixingeverything up.
Consecutive appetite is best byeating the Turkey first and then
moving to the sweet potatoes andeating all of those, et cetera,
(01:05:10):
et cetera.
And eating a fresh diet that is.
Seasonal really is like aconsecutive appetite.
So anyway, those are some of themore fi like the finer details
of human design.
but all of them are reflected,which is just a another reason
that I love to use human designto help us during perimenopause,
(01:05:32):
because it touches on all ofthose things and it personalizes
it, you know?
Mary Lee (01:05:37):
great.
Oh my
Lori Lisai (01:05:37):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:05:38):
know, this is going to shift the way I coach and train
women.
when I,'cause I'm, I help themwith their strength training
programs and I just help themwith, as a menopause doula.
We just are there to hold spacewith them and give them these
little, tricks and tips andknowledge about what they have
at their disposal
Lori Lisai (01:05:56):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:05:57):
agency of their menopause so that they can make
choices about having to wait foran external factor, know, such
as HRT.
Not
Lori Lisai (01:06:04):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:06:05):
it, that is one piece of the puzzle, but they have so
much at their disposal.
But now I am going to shift alittle bit and say, okay, before
we get started on our program,do your human design, your, free
chart
Lori Lisai (01:06:19):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:06:20):
website helps me understand, okay.
Now I know what you're, I mean,I can't read it, but I'll know a
little bit more about, okay,this is why this person is very
fidgety in my class, forexample, and this person is.
Completely on the floor pile ofsweat saying, I can't do this
anymore.
Lori Lisai (01:06:39):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:06:40):
I think that in truly to honor the role of a doula, we
have to show up in compassionatelisteners.
And as a coach, you have to showup where your client is at.
Lori Lisai (01:06:50):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:06:51):
client in front of you, not the program.
Lori Lisai (01:06:55):
Right.
Mary Lee (01:06:55):
has to adjust.
And that little tidbit ofinformation of knowing their
human design me that aha, I getit.
Let's adjust, let's modify sothat you can reap all the
benefits and have success.
Because there are so manyprograms out there that are
cookie cutter design.
You just do this, you'll getthese results,
Lori Lisai (01:07:17):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:07:17):
doesn't fit.
And I always often feel like I'mnot fitting into that program.
I don't.
So I'm very apprehensive when Isee all of these, buy this, buy
that, and try this and try thatbecause it is so cookie cutter.
Lori Lisai (01:07:29):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:07:30):
me, not
Lori Lisai (01:07:31):
Right?
Mary Lee (01:07:32):
to the masses.
Coach me
Lori Lisai (01:07:35):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:07:36):
wanna coach you.
And
Lori Lisai (01:07:37):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:07:38):
what you do with your clients.
Oh my goodness.
Lori Lisai (01:07:40):
Hmm.
Mary Lee (01:07:41):
So much synchronicity going on here.
I love this.
I love this, I love this.
Beautiful.
Lori Lisai (01:07:46):
Same.
So good.
Mary Lee (01:07:48):
could talk for hours, honestly, for hours and hours,
but I want to leave ourlisteners with one thing, that
there's multiple different,well, five designs.
but what is one thing that aperimenopause menopausal woman
can do just to find some grace?
Some respite, if you will, asshe is going through this
(01:08:11):
massive transition and trying tohonor who she truly is,
Lori Lisai (01:08:15):
Yeah, I think a great place to start is with
learning what your energy typeis
Mary Lee (01:08:21):
right?
Lori Lisai (01:08:23):
If you know that information, then you understand
not only how to honor the waythat your energy works, and I
usually split it between sacralbeings, generators, and
manifesting generators and nonsacral beings, manifesters
projectors and reflectors.
(01:08:45):
So learning the differencebetween which camp you're in and
how your energy affects otherpeople, because.
As much as we want to focus onourselves in this phase of life,
we're in relationship with otherpeople consistently and
constantly.
And I think learning your energytype and also learning the
(01:09:07):
energy type of your loved onescan help you to build so much
empathy and understanding notonly for yourself, but also for
the people that you're, youknow, consistently around.
And as we know hormones and thehavoc that they wreak on our
(01:09:28):
emotions, how ragey we can get,I think knowing other people's
human design can be reallyhelpful for you to just say
like, okay.
for example, if I'm a projectormom and I have generator
children, I.
They're probably going toexhaust me.
And just understanding that is astep in the right direction.
(01:09:53):
And then being able tocommunicate that to your
partner.
Let's say your partner is agenerator being, you can just
say, look, I really need you totake, the kids or take the lead
for this and I need to go take aprojector nap.
That's what I need to function.
And there can be thisunderstanding versus blame or
selfishness or whatever.
(01:10:14):
So I think that, I think energytype is a great place to start.
Mary Lee (01:10:19):
Wow.
What a shift in the schoolsystem it would be if we knew
this information.
Lori Lisai (01:10:24):
No.
Mary Lee (01:10:26):
Oh my goodness.
But it goes back to the twothings.
The old adage seek first tounderstand before being
understood.
Understand the energy of others.
And I think the second thing iswhen we say, especially in a
fitness class or a class of anytype, it's like, honor your
energy.
you need to rest in Shavasana ora child's post, honor that
energy.
Lori Lisai (01:10:46):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:10:47):
to take a break, if you need to.
I always say, if you need totake a hot second to take a
break, take that break and thenget right back in when you're
ready.
'cause it's oh, permission to bemyself.
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (01:10:59):
Exactly.
Mary Lee (01:11:00):
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (01:11:00):
Yes, yes.
Mary Lee (01:11:02):
Oh, Lori, I wanna bring you back.
It's been a delight.
We'll get all your links in theshow notes, including where we
can find your free.
to find out what everybody'senergy is and, stay tuned for
more details of part two of thisamazing episode.
Thank you so much, Lori.
Lori Lisai (01:11:20):
Thank you so much for having me.
I so appreciate it.
Mary Lee (01:11:25):
I can't encourage you enough to go check out Lori
Lisai's website and there you'llget a link to do a free guide.
You'll find out what your chartis, and it's at Lori Lisai,
L-O-R-I-L-I-S-A-I dot com.
You can also find her podcast onApple at Midlife-By-Design.
(01:11:48):
She's on YouTube@lorilisai-midlifebydesign, and
she's on Instagram@lorilisai, aswell as on her Facebook
lori.lisai.
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Remember, midlife should be thebest life and it will be
namaste.
Imagine going through life, figuring out who you are,
what your personality type is,and then suddenly you go through
menopause and all the thingsthat you believed about yourself
aren't so true anymore.
Or maybe they were wrong allalong and you now have an
opportunity to figure it out.
Well, let me tell you, today onthis episode, I was introduced
(00:22):
to human design.
Now I've heard about it before.
I think maybe I even took a quizsomewhere online But today I
took a real deeper dive, notonly into what it is and how
it's helping shape ourmidlife...
for the better.
I learned a lot about myself.
it was one of those wow, aha-moments.
(00:44):
Everything about the world, whowe are and this concept of our
subtle body and our energy andlike attracts like, why we're
drawn to certain energetictypes.
It all came together a onebeautiful explanation.
I owe it all to my guest, LoriLisai.
Unbelievable! I don't know whatmore to say about this episode
(01:06):
except the fact that I was blownaway.
I want you to stick around tothe very end, and then turn
around and share this with afriend.
Check out the YouTube version ofthis.
If you're listening on ApplePodcasts or anywhere else you
listen to your favorite show.
'cause you get to watch a video.
I've published a full videoversion of this interview
because we have a very specialtreat.
(01:28):
I'm sharing something very deepand personal too.
You have to stick around to findout what that's gonna be.
Welcome to the MenopauseDisruptor Podcast.
I'm your host, Mary Lee, afierce menopause doula and
licensed menopause champion,ready to challenge societal
norms around menopause.
Menopause is often shrouded instigma, misunderstanding, and
(01:51):
limiting beliefs.
But here's the truth.
Hormonal change is a naturalpart of life and it deserves to
be embraced, understood, andcelebrated.
I aim to empower women who arenavigating the turbulent waters
with a wealth of knowledge inhormonal health, nutrition,
holistic living.
Each week we'll tackle the tabootopics surrounding menopause
with grit and honesty.
(02:12):
I'll be diving deep intoeverything from hormone
replacement therapy tonutrition, sleep, libido, and
often ignored aspects of heart,brain, bone, and pelvic health.
And continue to bring on theexperts in the field of women's
health and wellness who share mypassion of elevating women's
health and challenging thestatus quo.
Together we are debunking themyths and empowering you to
(02:34):
advocate for your wellbeing withconfidence.
It's time to disrupt thesedamaging and limiting beliefs
around menopause and rewrite ourstories.
Join me on this empoweringjourney where we aren't just
surviving, we are thriving.
Lori Lisai is a human designmentor and coach for midlife
women.
and host of the podcast, midlifeby Design.
(02:58):
She followed her intuition andleft a successful career in
teaching after 26 years toembark on her own
entrepreneurial journey, helpingperimenopause and menopause
women shed the shoulds and learnto follow their own inner
compass.
Through a mix of practicalapplication and intuitive
guidance in readings and herone-on-one coaching, Lori helps
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women step into the wild womanphase and leverage midlife to be
who they came here to be.
In this episode, we will talkabout what is human design and
how it is helpful for midlifewomen.
We'll talk about the fivedifferent energy types and shed
light on each one of ourpurposes.
Fun thing coming up on thisepisode, we're gonna do a real
(03:45):
chart.
My chart, you're gonna find outabout me a little bit more, my
energy type when I was born, andthe things that I'm good at and
maybe not so good at.
It's gonna be an excitingepisode, so stick around.
Welcome to the MenopauseDisruptor Podcast.
We have so much ground to cover.
really excited to have you joinme, Lori.
Lori Lisai (04:06):
Thank you so much for having me, Mary.
I am so excited to have foundyou and to talk about this whole
menopause thing.
Mary Lee (04:16):
Yeah, I love that we're both on either side of the
spectrum, helping women throughperimenopause and menopause, but
you're designing whereas I amdisrupting.
And
Lori Lisai (04:29):
It's great.
Mary Lee (04:30):
my first question 'cause I know the listeners are
quite curious, if they don'tknow what this is already, I
have a little bit of knowledgeon it, but not much.
Lori Lisai (04:38):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (04:38):
us what the heck is human design.
Lori Lisai (04:42):
Yeah, great question.
Good place to start.
And essentially it's a tool forself-awareness when you, when
you boil it all down, that's thepurpose of human design.
And in terms of what it actuallyis a collection of systems that
(05:04):
meld together.
And it includes the Chinese ech,the chakra system, astrology,
western astrology, and itcombines sort of those esoteric
systems with science, so quantummechanics and genetics.
(05:26):
And it pulls them all togetherinto this big mixing pot and.
Because of that, because thereare so many systems, it's can be
pretty complicated.
So I like to just start withthat simplicity of, it's just a
tool for self-awareness, andwhen you learn how to read your
(05:47):
chart and start to decipher it,it's about just having language
for yourself to navigate what'shappening in your life.
Mary Lee (05:58):
Ah, kind of like your North Star or compass to give
you new direction
Lori Lisai (06:03):
Yeah.
Love that.
Mary Lee (06:05):
Such a pivotal phase in the life is menopause.
I really like one of theexpressions that you use, and
I've heard this said before andI've kind of adopted it as well.
Lori Lisai (06:14):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (06:15):
a second spring,
Lori Lisai (06:17):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (06:17):
stepping into that new season of our life where our
role shifts biologically fromthe reproduction to something
more, I dunno, or energetic,
Lori Lisai (06:30):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (06:31):
meaningful and purposeful.
So tell us then how human designis so helpful to, for women
navigating through themenopausal transition.
Lori Lisai (06:41):
Yeah.
I love how you described thatphase of the second STR spring
being this invitation intosomething that feels like a
different purpose.
And especially for those of uswho have taken the mothering
route and we've Right.
Gotten to this, this age whereour kids are growing up and they
(07:05):
don't need us as much.
And so much of our lives havebeen rooted in being a mother
and helping our children growinto functioning beautiful
adults.
So we get to this phase in ourlives and.
It is, it feels like the rootsthat we've had are on, you know,
(07:30):
not on solid ground anymore,right?
Like, who are we now in this newphase?
And the reason I love humandesign is because it's a tool
that brings you back to who youactually came here to be.
So this is where human design,I, I guess you could say it gets
(07:52):
a little woo.
I'm all about the woo.
But it's, it's the idea of howwe came into this lifetime,
choosing the design in our humandesign.
And oftentimes in life, we arefollowing other people's
expectations and right followinga path that.
(08:14):
Has been laid out by society forus, and it's not until we hit
this phase for a lot of womenwhen we're actually asking that
question, who am I for me?
who do I wanna be for me now?
And this is my opportunity to betrue to myself and come back to
(08:37):
my truth.
So human design gives you aliteral map for that work and
for that curiosity, and it givesyou language to root yourself in
who you are.
Mary Lee (08:54):
Wow.
Wow.
So impactful, so powerful.
Uh, you are an epitome of this,this shift because you were a
Vermont school teacher.
Lori Lisai (09:06):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (09:07):
What, what was the impetus to lead you into this
transition?
Discovery, human design, andthen recognize I need to teach
this to others.
Lori Lisai (09:17):
Yeah, I loved teaching.
I loved the work that I wasdoing.
I loved working with students,and my colleagues were amazing.
So it wasn't at all about beingbored or unhappy or, you know,
anything like that.
It was just this pull of feelinglike there was something else
(09:41):
that I needed to do.
And I discovered human designwhen I was still teaching.
I had been taking amanifestation course actually,
and was really interested inthat and just starting to get
curious about thinking bigger,thinking beyond, you know, the,
the world that I was living inand.
(10:04):
That course led me to humandesign and it was such a, it was
a, a wake up.
I, I felt my whole body lean inand get excited and like, what
is this?
And I wanna know all the things.
And.
So I've been studying it sinceabout 2019.
(10:25):
The summer of 2019 was when Istarted to get super curious
about it and then took a acertification course and have,
have just been in, we call it anexperiment essentially, because
the idea of pulling all of thesesystems together is that, okay,
(10:45):
you get your human design bodygraph, it's called, it's the
map.
It's the thing that you look atand you take the information
that you're learning and youplay with it in your life and
you experiment.
So one of the things that I knewabout my reaction to human
design was that as a generatortype, which is an energy type,
(11:08):
being pulled to that, beingdrawn to that and excited by it
meant that I.
This is something I shouldfollow.
This is a, a poll.
I should, I should continuegoing down this road.
So ultimately there were anumber of things that happened
at school.
It was post Covid 2021.
(11:29):
Uh, and I had this sort of, thismoment in a meeting where I knew
my body was so clear in tellingme I wasn't coming back because
the, we were having aconversation about the following
year and our principal decidedto, to go back to kind of status
(11:51):
quo after COID.
And for me, I had spent a lot oftime working to change the
system and when she made thatdecision, I just remember
feeling in my gut like itdropped and I said, wow.
I don't, I am not coming backnext year.
This is crazy.
(12:12):
And it took me a few months tocome to, to be completely and,
uh, well completely might evenbe a stretch.
I, it was scary, you know,leaving a job that I had been
doing for 26 years wasterrifying.
Right.
And I, but I did it.
I, I felt the fear did itanyway.
(12:33):
And, uh, I love the work thatI'm doing now and working with
women using this tool,especially during this phase of
life, to help them do the samething if, you know, if that's
what they feel called to do orto leave any situation that has
been a challenge for them orthat just doesn't feel like it
(12:55):
fits anymore and or to shift thesituation in some way so it does
feel like it's a better fit.
So that's, that's my littleabout my story.
Mary Lee (13:07):
Oh, thank you for sharing your story.
I think that would resonate,will resonate with so many
listeners who are at thispivotal point in their careers,
long careers, or even if you'renot, um, in the workforce, just
at that pivotal point wherethings have, like you said,
shifted and we start to sense inour own body sometimes for the
(13:29):
very first time of getting toknow who we are, recognizing a
shift.
And what does that tell us?
And this is where the chakrasystem comes in.
The subtle body, the energeticbody.
Lori Lisai (13:41):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (13:42):
most, most of our lives, we go throughout life,
oblivious blind to the fact thatwe have this other language in
our body, the energy,
Lori Lisai (13:51):
Mm.
Mary Lee (13:51):
and it's constantly sending messages.
And I really appreciate the factthat you said this feeling in my
gut
Lori Lisai (13:59):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (13:59):
our gut.
I, I'm gonna take a pausebecause the Canadian Forest of
snowbirds are flying over houseright now and making all kinds
of noise.
This is their training ground.
Every year.
They come out here for a fewweeks
Lori Lisai (14:12):
Um,
Mary Lee (14:13):
So everybody loves it.
After a long career in theCanadian Air Force, this way
aviation, I'm like, oh, herethey go again.
don't you know I'm doing apodcast.
Lori Lisai (14:26):
Right,
Mary Lee (14:27):
this portion in here because this is what makes our
podcasting so authentic andreal.
People
Lori Lisai (14:32):
right.
I love it.
Mary Lee (14:33):
these
Lori Lisai (14:33):
love it.
Mary Lee (14:34):
conversations.
But back to what I was sayingabout this feeling in our gut.
Lori Lisai (14:38):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (14:39):
I love that you said that because our gut is always
talking to us.
that gut brain connection.
Lori Lisai (14:45):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (14:46):
and the work that I'm doing is more about teaching
women how to fuel it properly,how to use exercise and
nutrition as well as stressmanagement to really start to
tap into our true self.
But this really, Lori, is thefirst time that it's been framed
so brilliantly through the humandesign concept that we have a
(15:09):
whole other part of who we are.
The energetic body, the partthat always was and will, always
will be and will continue longafter our vessel disintegrated,
but our energy continues.
But bringing it back to, whilethat energy is still with us and
our present day bodies.
I'm curious by now to know whatare the different types of in
(15:32):
the human design and how doesone go about figuring out their
human design?
Lori Lisai (15:38):
Yeah, great question and I would love to, uh, to talk
a little bit about your chart aswell as we're moving through
these.
One of the things that.
We were just talking about thegut connection is super strong
for two of the energy types.
(16:00):
So in human design, similar toastrology for example, where in
astrology somebody might ask youyour, what's your sign?
And they mean, what's your sunsign?
So you were born May 28th, so,Gemini, right?
Mary Lee (16:18):
that's right.
Mm-hmm.
Lori Lisai (16:19):
Gemini.
so you're a Gemini Sun Withhuman design though, it's the
same thing where you plug inyour birth information.
So it's based on that time.
And where you were born, youwant to be as accurate as
possible.
So you plug in your birthinformation and it generates
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your human design chart for me.
I have a chart generator on mywebsite, so you can go to lori
lisa.com and go to get yourchart and it, you'll generate it
for free.
And then you'll get the chartitself, which looks like a bunch
of shapes and some numbers andsome lines that are connecting
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them.
And you get a sense if youoverlay the chart on a human, it
looks like there's, you know,you can kind of see the chakra
system within it and.
Those shapes are all calledenergy centers.
And then there are energy types.
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So similar to that idea of thesun sign, there are energy types
in human design, there are fiveof them.
And energy type is like the rolethat you came here to play.
It's like how your energyinteracts with other people.
So, yeah.
(17:44):
Yeah.
So the.
Mary Lee (17:47):
Okay.
Lori Lisai (17:48):
so the five different types are, the first
one that I like to start withare Manifestors, and they are
about 9% of the population, sopretty rare type.
And they are here to be ourleaders, our initiators, they,
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they're kind of our firestarters.
And what can be challengingabout being a manifester is that
most of the time people don'tknow what you're talking about
because you are, you've gottenthis idea or this creative urge
that you want to go hard on, andyou're literally blazing a new
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trail so people don't understandbecause we haven't heard of it
yet, or it's something I.
Mary Lee (18:41):
like the Einsteins of the world?
Lori Lisai (18:43):
Like, oh, that is a great question.
I don't actually know whatenergy type Einstein was.
I'm gonna have to look that up.
that's a great question.
it's a similar idea though ofYeah.
People who are coming and, andsaying things, you know, that
you're, you're just like, what?
Okay.
(19:04):
Uh, and I think learning thatyou are a manifester can be so.
Helpful to you because you'velived this life where people
don't understand you or don'tget you, or, or they're
struggling to, connect with you.
And understanding that this isjust the way that your energy
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works can be such a blessing toyou.
And, and it can help you to giveyou permission to continue doing
what you're doing and justunderstand that's the way that
your energy works.
You know, you came hereintending for that design to be
the way it is in order to dowhat you wanted to do in this,
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version of your human suit.
and a manifester.
Each of the energy, energy typeshas an aura, uh, type.
And the manifester is.
This veil, it's, it's sort ofdifficult to see behind the veil
until they feel like aninvitation into that energy is,
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is needed or warranted.
So.
Mary Lee (20:17):
Okay.
Lori Lisai (20:18):
Those are manifesters, our trailblazers.
Then we have projectors, whichare about 20% of our population,
and projectors are here toguide.
They are the people who can lookat a situation and see with such
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clarity what needs to beaddressed or fixed on a, usually
on a like systems level.
But they, are beautiful humans.
Their energy type is, or sorry,their aura is piercing, and
essentially that piercing auralets them see into other people
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really deeply.
So super cool kind of, energytype.
Then we have generators.
And generators are the mostcommon energy type.
They are about 37% of thepopulation.
And what makes a generator agenerator is that their sacral
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is defined.
And this is coming back to thetalk about your gut feeling.
So generators.
And then the next type that I'lltalk about are those are the
ones that are gonna have thestrongest relationship with a
gut feeling.
Manifestors and projectors don'thave a defined sacral, so their
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experience of that gut feelingis going to be very inconsistent
compared to a generator or amanifesting generator.
So generators.
Yeah.
So sometimes you can be inconversation with somebody and
be talking about that gut andthat gut connection.
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And I mean, trauma definitelyplays into it.
I think how well we can connectwith our gut feeling, but also
energy type.
You know, if you are a projectoror a manifestor or a reflector,
then that connection to your gutand that feeling, it's not gonna
be as strong as a generator or amanifesting generator.
(22:36):
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (22:38):
spinoff questions, but keep going.
Keep going.
Lori Lisai (22:41):
Okay.
Uh, so generators are here areas our builders, essentially as
our creatives.
They are here.
The, if you look out at anythingthat exists in the world, a
generator is behind it becauseyou need to have somebody to
create the thing.
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And if we're tracking each ofthe energy types and how they
all kind of fit together, likethis puzzle, it's the
manifestors are where the ideascome from.
It's how we get going.
The projectors are here to guidethe energy of generators and
manifesting generators who arethe creatives.
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So we all kind of work together,ideally, ideally.
Mary Lee (23:31):
Fabulous stuff.
Lori Lisai (23:33):
The generator aura is magnetic and enveloping.
So you think of a generator auraas like a warm, juicy hug.
it's very lovely energy.
People love to be around it.
so Mary, both you and I aregenerators, and what's
interesting about this is peopledo love that energy and they're
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drawn to it.
And the most important thing wecan learn to say is no.
Uh, basically like I am notavailable to give you my energy
right now.
I need to, yeah.
Mary Lee (24:11):
yeah.
I'm getting shivers down myarms.
Ooh,
Lori Lisai (24:15):
Hmm.
I love that.
I love that.
And actually, your response tothat was such a sacral response.
You know, there's so much Icould talk about, with this.
But let's talk about manifestinggenerators who are 33% of the
population, and this is the onlyhybrid type.
They are a little bit manifesterand a little bit generator.
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And how that plays out reallydepends on their chart.
Some manifesting generators aremore manifester, some are more
generator, and some are what wethink of as pure manifesting
generators.
So either way it means that theycan do a bit of initiating and
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they also are here to have thatsacral response form.
First and foremost, they are agenerator type.
But, the difference between agenerator and a manifesting
generator is that generators arehere to build momentum.
They're just moving along at,you know, at a pace.
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Just do, do keep going.
I think of the tortoise and thehare when I think about
manifesting generators andgenerators.
And then the mangen is here tobe efficient and to spot
efficiencies and tends to move alot more quickly.
So they're darting all around,trying different things circling
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back around.
So they may end up at the finishline around the same time, but
the manifesting generator hastried a bunch of different
things, whereas the generator ismore likely to be on one track
working forward.
Yeah.
And then the, and the last typeare reflectors.
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Reflectors are just 1% of thepopulation.
So reflectors are super rare.
And what defines a reflector isif you look at your body graph,
every single center is notcolored in.
And essentially what that meansis that they are our cosmic
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mirrors.
So if we think about the purposeof all of the different types,
manifestors here to initiate.
Projectors are here to guidegenerators and manifesting
generators here to create andbuild efficiencies.
Reflectors are here as ourcosmic mirrors.
They're here to.
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Show us the kind of the wellnessof usually an organization or,
what whatever, some kind ofgroup.
And that's because they areconsistently, their aura is
called sampling.
So they are taking on andborrowing bits of energy from
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the people around them andtrying it on for size and gen,
reflectors are here to be deeplyconnected with the moon cycle,
the lunar cycle, uh, in order tocome to clarity.
so those are the five energytypes and yeah.
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You said you had a bunch ofquestions,
Mary Lee (27:34):
Oh my goodness.
Lori Lisai (27:34):
which you got
Mary Lee (27:38):
Well, it's, I'm excited, first of all to find
out that I'm a generator
Lori Lisai (27:42):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (27:43):
and I hope that the listeners, I know that the
listeners are gonna be reallyexcited going, okay, I gotta go
to Lori's website and figure outwhat type I am as well.
But with, okay.
Step back first.
How does the time,'cause yousaid you plug in the time where
you were born and the date.
Um, a natal chart, how does thatinfluence?
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the time and place where in theplanet you were born, how does
that influence,
Lori Lisai (28:12):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (28:12):
'cause essentially it's saying we choose to come to
this earth at a particular time,so we answer it right at that
window of opportunity thatdetermines whether we're gonna
be any one of these five
Lori Lisai (28:24):
Yeah,
Mary Lee (28:25):
types.
So
Lori Lisai (28:26):
you,
Mary Lee (28:27):
that come into play?
Lori Lisai (28:29):
you got it.
And I know one of the questionsI get is, well, if I was born by
cesarean does that change whatmy, what my design would have
been?
And the answer to that is no.
However you were born is exactlywhat you wanted, however it
happened.
Uh, so the timing piece is, thisis where the science comes in.
(28:56):
And what's interesting is thegentleman who downloaded human
design as a system.
When he was sharing theinformation, he talked about
neutrinos, which are thetiniest, tiniest bits of energy
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of matter that are floatingthrough the air, through the
ether at any time that haveinformation on them.
And they are, they're constantlypassing through our human bodies
and the things that look, solidaround us.
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they're constantly in the ether,essentially.
And when you decided to.
Come in to be birthed.
There, there was the neutrinostream that was coming through
at that time.
And so it, it, the idea is thatit, it makes this imprint on
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you.
So you have two sides to yourhuman design chart.
When you look at, the chart onthe right hand side is what's
called personality or yourconscious side.
And then on the left hand sideyou'll see design or your
unconscious side.
And the personality side is thatmoment of birth.
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And then the design side is 88days before your birth.
So you had two differentimprints that happened, one
coming in at the time of yourbirth and then one coming into
you in utero.
And what's fascinating is.
Raw, which is the man's name whochanneled the system talks, was
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talking about neutrinos.
And then it wasn't until yearslater that scientists actually
even proved that neutrinos werea thing that they existed.
Uh, and there's still lots ofresearch about neutrinos and
how, you know, and I guess thisis where you really have to
believe that we are all one insome way, shape, or form.
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And that there are these pieces,that connect us all.
So that's why the exact time isimportant and because the
planets are shifting all thetime and.
Essentially that means that theway that their energies are
affecting us here on Earth isshifting.
(31:33):
And so having that exact timehelps us to see, okay, where
were they during that time?
And how then did they impact youcoming earth's, you know, coming
here?
Mary Lee (31:46):
Oh, wow.
Everything you say, you justspin off.
Another bazillion questionscomes into my mind, but let's
make it, let's simplify it.
Lori, we
Lori Lisai (31:59):
Okay.
Mary Lee (31:59):
before we hit record about showing a live example, a
Lori Lisai (32:03):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (32:04):
of a chart.
should we do it?
Lori Lisai (32:09):
Yes.
Let's do it.
Mary Lee (32:10):
to all the listeners to figure out just who the heck
this Mary person is
Lori Lisai (32:14):
Yes.
Mary Lee (32:16):
at our human design.
Lori Lisai (32:17):
Yes.
Mary Lee (32:18):
Beautiful.
Lori Lisai (32:19):
is.
I love this because now I, I'mable to share with you what, the
specifics are.
So when I talked about thepersonality side, I'm talking
about this da the blocks or thenumbers that are all down this
side.
And, and so this is, the designthat you chose coming in on your
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conscious side, and then this isyour design side or your
unconscious side.
Each of these shapes, roughlycorrelate to the chakra system.
Although in the chakra system,traditionally there are seven
chakras, right?
And in human design there arenine energy centers.
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So the heart, splits into the,this is called the G center or
the identity center.
and if you're listening, the Gor the identity is the diamond
in the middle of the chart.
And then the ego or heart centeris the little triangle that kind
of pops off of it.
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And then, the sacral splits intothe spleen center, which is the
triangle on the left facinginward toward the center of the
chart toward the bottom.
And then the emotional solarplexus.
you are a generator type.
And what makes you a generator?
The mechanics of a generator arethat you have this sacral
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center, it's called defined.
Defined means that it's coloredin.
So you see how Mary, if you'relistening to this episode, as
opposed to watching it, Mary hasher head, her Ajna, her throat,
and her identity, or G Center,which are the top four shapes.
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Those are all undefined and orshe actually has a completely
open head.
But these are all undefined andthat just means that they're
white or depending on the chartthat you're looking at, they're
not colored in.
And then.
and then she has all of the restof the centers defined.
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So you have a defined heart, adefined solar plexus, sacral,
spleen, and root.
And what makes you thatgenerator is that you are a
sacral.
You have that center defined,but it's not connected to the
throat center if your sacral wassomehow connected to the throat.
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Through these lines here, thesesort of, that look like tubes or
circuits.
these are called channels.
And if you had somethingconnected to the throat with
your defined sacral, then that'swhat makes you a manifesting
generator.
Mary Lee (35:05):
Okay.
Lori Lisai (35:07):
I didn't mention this earlier, but the.
But to come back to this, Ithink this is an important point
about the energy types.
Manifesting generators are 33%of the population and generators
are that 37%.
So together generator types makeup 70% of the population.
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And essentially what that meansis we live in a generator driven
world,
Mary Lee (35:33):
Oh.
Lori Lisai (35:35):
this is where it can be really helpful for people who
don't have this sacral defined,who we call non sacral, like
manifestors projectors orreflectors.
When they learn that they don'thave this sacral energy, it's
usually a huge aha moment.
(35:56):
Like, wow, okay.
I am not lazy, I am not, just.
I'm not exhausted all the timebecause something's wrong with
me.
It's because I've been trying tolive like a generator type my
entire life, and this is mypermission slip to stop doing
that.
(36:17):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (36:19):
Oh wow.
This is incredible.
I'm reading all the information,the details on
Lori Lisai (36:25):
Over here.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (36:28):
so.
Lori Lisai (36:29):
go ahead.
Mary Lee (36:30):
what really strikes me the most on is the strategy, how
you take action and interactwith the world.
I wait to respond.
That, let me tell you, when youare working in a corporate
workplace and you are agenerator, this is just like the
light bulb is going off here andyou take, you're sitting around
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those board meetings and you'retaking in all this information.
Of course, my line of work wascommunications.
Not surprising.
I'm a Gemini
Lori Lisai (37:00):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (37:00):
we do.
But when you wait and you takeit all in and you strategize
that gap of not speaking, notresponding or jumping in to
feel, the gap of silence isoften misinterpreted as she
doesn't get it or she's anairhead and then that plays on
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your.
Mental wellbeing.
go through the automaticnegative thought process.
hell's the matter with me.
I'm not fitting in.
But we can't render a decisionbecause we have to let it in the
gut, so to speak, and have thatright feeling of when it's right
act.
(37:46):
With that in mind.
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (37:48):
Oh my gosh.
Mary Lee (37:48):
mind, then, I would imagine now, Lori, the work that
you're doing is then helpingwomen at this pivotal time in
their lives to take in thisinformation be completely okay
with who they have to beenergetically in order to honor
their human design.
(38:09):
Am I right?
Lori Lisai (38:10):
100%
Mary Lee (38:12):
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (38:13):
actually can, I would love to reflect for you
how your human designillustrates all of the things
that you just talked about.
So you talked about waiting torespond, and that is tapping
into that gut feeling.
The idea for generator types isthat you, you wait to respond.
(38:39):
And what you're waiting for isthat gut feeling.
You're waiting for your gut toremember how I was saying
earlier that I knew when I hadthe gut drop that I was leaving
Mary Lee (38:53):
Mm-hmm.
Lori Lisai (38:54):
when I found human design, I had this like, oh,
what?
Like super excited.
I felt pulled toward it.
Right?
So that's the response thatyou're waiting for is that gut
check.
Now what another thing you saidwas, I need the time to let it
percolate, to let it sit.
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And you are an emotionalauthority.
So your authority in humandesign is how you are designed
to make decisions.
And this is such, I'm so gladyou said that, because a lot of
times what happens, especiallywith some of the other markers
in your chart, is.
People could tend to jump rightin.
(39:37):
They could get that, sacralresponse and be super excited
about something and just wannago for it.
But you are saying, I, I needthat time to let it percolate.
And 50% of the population hasthis solar plexus authority,
which essentially, when you boilit all down, just means you need
(40:00):
to wait.
You need to take your time,sleep on it at least once, at
least one night if you can,depending on the size of the
situation.
You know, if you're an emotionalauthority, you're not gonna wait
a night to figure out what toeat for dinner, but.
If it's, if it's a decision withsome weight, you wanna take
time.
And the reason is because you'rewaiting for more information to
(40:24):
come into your purview, to comeinto your world, to give you
kind of these breadcrumbs tolead you to a, to clarity, to a
strong decision.
And emotional authorities aredriven by an emotional wave,
(40:44):
which means that you need togive yourself time to feel
through the whole wave.
Instead of making, especiallysacrals, they're like, oh my
God, that sounds so great.
That's so exciting.
And we wanna jump right in basedon that excitement.
And then we don't let it sit.
And then the next day we'relike, oh my God, why did I
(41:06):
commit to that?
Or why?
Right?
Yeah.
Mary Lee (41:10):
why did I spend$10,000 on a bloody digital course I
don't need?
Lori Lisai (41:16):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So with the emotional solarplexus, you talked about letting
it percolate.
That is beautiful.
And exactly what I would want tohear from you.
However, because most peopledon't understand that half the
population has this authority.
They, our tendency, especiallybeing 70% generators in the
(41:42):
world, is like, well, if you'resmart, that means you can make
decisions right on your feet.
And it means you can knowexactly what you want right in
the moment.
Very masculine kind of energy.
And for you, you have acompletely open head.
The head center is all aboutinspiration and ideas, and then
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you have an undefined ajna,which is our filter.
It's where we take those ideasand form opinions about them.
And so when you, when it's openor undefined, it means that it's
inconsistent.
You have room, you can see bothsides of something you take in
(42:26):
and amplify other people's ideasand inspirations.
So the challenge of having thethese centers either open or
undefined, is that you can getinto that.
Well, I don't know enough or Idon't know the answer,
therefore, I.
I must be stupid or whatever.
(42:47):
So you were reflecting that aswell, right?
Is
Mary Lee (42:50):
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (42:51):
this feeling of oh, how do I sit and wait and feel
grounded in that?
And this is where I love humandesign so much because it gives
you the language and you canlook at your chart and say, wow,
okay, there's nothing wrong withme.
I am actually doing exactly whatI came here to do.
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And I can start to, we call itdecondition, right?
Pull off those layers ofexpectation of feeling like we
should be something else, or weshould be following somebody
else's plan and just be who wecame here to be.
Mary Lee (43:31):
Hmm.
Wow.
I would also say on the flipside is that for me, knowing
this generator type now and thatit's the gut feeling.
Taking my time to reallystrategize and think things over
is my nature.
However, the moment I'm in asituation where I recognize
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something isn't right, I have atendency to dive right away and
call it out for what it is it'slike I've been punched in the
gut and my whole body is saying,I call bs.
This isn't right.
Or I see the injustice in theworld and I'm just,
Lori Lisai (44:11):
Wow.
Mary Lee (44:11):
I have to honor that.
But at other times I think, oh,I should have reigned it in a
little bit.
I could be a little bit, alittle bit feisty, a little bit
of a disruptor.
Lori Lisai (44:19):
Mm-hmm.
That's a beautiful thing.
Mary Lee (44:23):
and that's very much part of that generator type.
Lori Lisai (44:27):
Not necessarily generator.
So a couple of things I wouldsay about that one, uh, you have
a defined spleen, which thespleen is about, its intuition.
our center for intuition.
So you're attuned to whensomething feels off, there's
Yeah.
There's also the, in the spleen,it's also this safety mechanism.
(44:52):
It's the oldest energy center.
It's the one that we, yeah, it'sthe one that we share with
animals.
And so it's that energy of I'munsafe.
I am, I'm running away before Ieven realize what's happening
kind of thing.
those are the two things that Iwould say that are connected
(45:13):
there.
There are some other things, butfor beginners, I think it's good
not to get too, too into theweeds and, okay.
I'll say one more thing, whichis your personality, line.
So there's something calledprofile, which is your
personality.
It's similar to the role thatyou play.
You're a two four, and that twoline is a natural at things.
(45:40):
Oftentimes things come easily toyou.
It can be a situation wheresomebody might look at you and
say, how on earth did you dothis?
Or, how did you even know to dothis?
And to you, it just feels likeblinking or breathing, to you,
you're like, what?
Everybody doesn't do that orknow how to do that.
(46:03):
so I feel like there's a flavorof that coming in potentially as
well.
Mary Lee (46:08):
All right.
We could spend a lot of timejust talking about MyChart, but
I definitely wanna bring thisback to something that's
relevant and relatable for allthe listeners in menopause.
There are things that you offerto your clients
Lori Lisai (46:21):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (46:21):
tell us about all your courses.
Because my interest has beenpeaked.
I'm sure the listeners'interests have been peaked,
whether they're watching it thechart, and just getting a
general sense of, um, knowingthat 37% of us, well, 70, all
combined are the generators.
I'm sure that this has justtweaked so much curiosity.
So tell everybody how they canwork more one-on-one with you.
Lori Lisai (46:43):
Yeah, for sure.
So I do one-on-one coaching, uh,just.
Essentially what that looks likeis coming to me with something
that's going on, usually relatedto perimenopause, midlife
transitions, that type of thing.
And then working together, usingyour chart to bring you more
(47:05):
clarity, to get you unstuck, tostart to help you shift into
feeling like you're living whoyou wanna be and you're being
who you want to be.
Mary Lee (47:18):
Mm.
Lori Lisai (47:19):
and I used the word permission earlier.
I think that human design givesyou the permission that
oftentimes you don't even knowyou're looking for.
So that is a longer.
Almost like a one long reading,where we spend the time over,
usually three to six monthsworking together.
(47:41):
So I have that and I also offerreadings.
Just, you know, let's sit downand look at your chart and we
can break it apart.
We can, again, because I'm agenerator, I tend to ask people,
what do you, what exactly do youwanna look at?
what's going on in your life?
That we could pull some threadsin human design.
So you feel like, okay, I amlearning about myself and I'm
(48:05):
also helping, helping to getmyself out of a bind in some
way.
Usually people are seeking thisknowledge because they're
looking to better some part oftheir life in some way.
Mary Lee (48:17):
Mm-hmm.
Lori Lisai (48:17):
offer, readings And then I have a group program
called Midlife Magic that willbe launching relatively soon.
and you can get on the wait listthere, on my website for that.
And then I have a freeperimenopause survival guide
that is, yeah, it's based onyour energy type.
(48:41):
So
Mary Lee (48:42):
Oh.
Lori Lisai (48:42):
run your chart and it's customized to you and your
energy.
And you can learn about not onlyyour energy type, but also as
it, how it relates toperimenopause and your
experience in perimenopause.
And what can you do to bettertake care of yourself based on
your energy type.
Mary Lee (49:03):
Oh wow.
There's just so much.
Lori Lisai (49:06):
I know.
Mary Lee (49:08):
I'm a true believer.
I dunno if this is a generatortype, but I am a true believer
that the universe always hasyour back.
Lori Lisai (49:16):
Mm,
Mary Lee (49:16):
attention to those little bread crumbs, really lean
into that.
Um, and that's the trust yourgut part.
Lori Lisai (49:23):
it is.
Mary Lee (49:24):
the universe is sending you signs all the time.
Lori Lisai (49:27):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (49:28):
it's reading your mind.
It's like, oh, and that's whathappened.
I swear with me.
It's like, Hmm, you need to meetLori.
Okay.
Here's Laurie, and she's justtold me what my design is, which
someone and, my listeners, knowthis by now'cause I talk about a
lot, but someone who's had PTSDfrom occupational stress injury,
(49:49):
and then you add on a concussbrain, a head injury,
Lori Lisai (49:53):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (49:54):
and then menopause.
So if you've had any underlyingneurodivergent traits and, and
park that thought,'cause I wannaget back to that
neurodivergency.
So you add those three thingsand the neuro neurodivergent
traits tend to come backtenfold.
Once the estrogen leaves thebody, it's like, hey, surprise,
guess what?
We're here again.
So for those three things,
Lori Lisai (50:15):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (50:15):
and then you're going through life and trying to
figure out why, why do I do whatI do?
Is it because of the injury?
Is it because of the PTSD?
And it's really easy for us togo into that negative thought
pattern really easy because thebrain's job is to protect the
body.
The brain's job is to say, I'vebeen assigned to help you
(50:36):
survive in this world.
And so you have hyper vigilance,beyond control and trust, issues
beyond control, and a tendencyto yourself and internalize
everything that's going on.
This Lori, to me, has beenliterally my permission slip to
be human
Lori Lisai (50:57):
Mm
Mary Lee (50:58):
terms,
Lori Lisai (50:59):
mm.
Mary Lee (50:59):
by my design.
Oh, that should be the title ofthe podcast.
Lori Lisai (51:03):
Love it.
Mary Lee (51:03):
Slip to Be Human.
By your design.
Okay.
And we're onto something.
But see what I mean?
Like this is, this has been soenlightening and it's, it's
coincides so nicely with where Iam in my transition having come
out the other end saying, Idon't wanna fricking do
corporate anymore.
I wanna help women because thiswas my pain point and now my
(51:26):
mess is my message, and
Lori Lisai (51:28):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (51:28):
them through their transformation to get the same
results that I am getting, isexactly what you're doing, of
course, too.
But I really believe that theuniverse just comes along,
right?
Right.
When you need a little somethingjust to remind you, Hey,
remember that design, rememberyour blueprint, it's all in
there.
Lori Lisai (51:46):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (51:47):
just start trusting your gut.
Trust your gut.
I say that a lot.
Trust your gut.
A wise woman when she entersmenopause and then steps out on
the other side is I.
Able to lean into thatintuition, which is the gut,
which is the third eye ofcourse.
and I really find her her truepurpose.
You are a blessing Laurie, but
Lori Lisai (52:07):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (52:08):
go back to that part about neuro divergency
Lori Lisai (52:11):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (52:12):
you were describing all five of the energy types,
but the manifesters that they,have trouble with communicating
their ideas, their bright ideas,because they're nonsensical to a
lot of people and that they havethis aura type was, you said the
veil.
Lori Lisai (52:32):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (52:32):
It's kind of covered their aura type, so it was hard
for their energy to I'mwondering if individuals with a
neurodivergent trait are.
to be a little bit moremanifesters.
Now, not to say that if you wereborn at the certain time and
place and point that you'regonna have a neurodivergent
trait, but I'm just wondering ifthat neurodivergency is a
(52:56):
prominent feature so that theycan be manifesters.
Does that make any sense?
Lori Lisai (53:02):
It does, and I'm not sure that I would equate or that
I would make a, a deepconnection at the energy level.
I.
for human design types.
However, like I said, it's a, abunch of different systems,
right, that are connected.
And I would, I like to look atthe gates, which are, when
(53:26):
you're looking at the chart,it's the numbers.
Those are all the numbers.
Those are called gates.
And, there's one in particularthat I look at, which is gate
nine.
And, actually I'm just gonnashare my screen again so we can
look at your chart because it'sa great example.
so.
Gate nine is down here in thesacral and it's reaches toward
(53:53):
the root center.
The root has Gate 52, which whenthose two are both defined,
you'll have the 9 52 channel,which is the channel of
concentration, and Gate nine isthe side of, or the half of the
channel That's really aboutfocus on details and under
(54:17):
understanding most importantly,what details to focus on.
so
Mary Lee (54:24):
I'm a detail oriented person.
Lori Lisai (54:26):
yeah, and, and the thing about a DHD is, it's not
necessarily that people who.
Have a DHD as an example, haveproblem focusing.
It's that they can behyper-focused on something,
right?
And that can be the challenge.
(54:47):
there's a little bit of both,right?
There is like distractibility,but also that hyper focus.
And the trick is understandingyourself well enough to know
what are the environments I canput myself in?
what are the conditions it worksbest in?
so when you have gate nine andyou don't have Gate 52, you
don't have the full channel,it's gonna be a little bit more
(55:10):
challenging for you, in regardsto the focus piece, because you
don't have that flow of energy,you have the half.
And so what I would say here isa hack for, for your listeners
and for you yourself.
If you find that you're havingtrouble focusing, get out of the
house and go work in a coffeeshop or a library or someplace
(55:34):
where you can be around otherpeople, because what happens is
if you look at your chart andyou see all of these little
numbers that are like halfway,they're half of a channel.
So for you, for example, you'vegot nine, you don't have the 52.
that nine, think of it like alittle energy tendril that's
(55:54):
out.
It's electromagnetic.
So it's looking for the 52.
The 52,
Mary Lee (56:00):
interesting.
Lori Lisai (56:01):
yeah.
So the 52 is the gate ofstillness.
It's the gate that brings youthat ability to sit still and
just be, and allow that focus tocome in.
Interesting.
I have the Gate 52.
So together, when we're togetherand talking, we complete this
(56:23):
channel together.
And if you go to a coffee shopand you're around somebody, prob
if there are a bunch of peoplearound, you're bound to be
around somebody who has thatgate 52.
So you can lock in and you mightfind that it's easier to focus.
you still can put yourheadphones in or whatever you
(56:43):
need to help you really dial inyour environment.
if you get distracted by soundsor whatever.
But you're sort of borrowingthat energy for that time period
to help you focus.
Mary Lee (56:57):
Oh my goodness.
Is this.
What they mean by our energy,like vibration, like attracts
like, So would this be like weare receptors for that opposing,
or I shouldn't say posing thatcomplimentary energy to complete
the channel?
Is
Lori Lisai (57:12):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (57:12):
when they say you're drawn to the energy of others
Lori Lisai (57:16):
Yeah.
This is, yeah.
This is how the energetics work.
Yeah, exactly.
It's sort of that idea of youcomplete me, you know, in in an
energetic way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (57:29):
is fascinating.
I just learned somethingincredible right now that is so
interesting.
And I'm looking at this thing.
There's a lot of empty channelsor open channels and then
there's
Lori Lisai (57:41):
So.
Mary Lee (57:41):
of half open channels
Lori Lisai (57:44):
So when you have a gate, it's called a hanging
gate.
When it's half of a channel, youthink of it as like this tendril
that's hanging, waiting toconnect with the other half of
it.
Mary Lee (57:57):
Oh, interesting.
Lori Lisai (57:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mary Lee (58:00):
go around life saying, oh, you're nothing but a hanging
gate,
Lori Lisai (58:07):
Right.
Mary Lee (58:08):
oh, this is so cool.
So, we can actually do thingsthen in our lives.
we're not stuck with this.
This isn't permanent.
We can actually do, exercises ortake on activity that helps that
channel complete,
Lori Lisai (58:24):
right.
yeah.
Mary Lee (58:25):
Wow!
Lori Lisai (58:25):
You're, you came in with your design on purpose, so
I don't want your listeners tothink you're looking to fix
yourself in any way because thiswas the design that you came
here to live out.
It's more like.
Some hacks or some tricks whenyou're trying to accomplish
(58:46):
something or you're trying tohave a better understanding of
something.
Yes, you can borrow people'senergy for a little while, and
just noticing that, oh, okay, Ifeel unfocused today.
I'm gonna go work in the coffeeshop and see if that makes a
difference.
You know, you're doing thatfavor for yourself and then you
(59:06):
can go back home and, be totallyunfocused or be feeling all over
the place.
And then who knows, maybe youget, five different areas of
your house clean because onething leads to another, to
another, to an, you know, likerandom things come together and
you allow your, what feels likeit's out of focus to just lead
(59:27):
you to where you're meant to bewhen it's not structured and you
don't need to accomplish aspecific thing,
Mary Lee (59:35):
And on the, on the flip side.
We have our design that we choseand came to this world with.
Lori Lisai (59:41):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (59:42):
to the point about a neurodivergent trait or any
condition that we've beenexposed to within our lifetime,
Lori Lisai (59:47):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (59:48):
a condition, a medical situation, an injury and illness
that doesn't necessarily definethe energy type.
It just kinda can shape it.
No matter what energy type weare, whatever other conditions
or layers we have with ourselvescan shape how we act out.
(01:00:10):
But then when we go back to ourdesign, we can learn again,
okay, this is my design.
No matter what has happened tome, I can still use the design
to find my truth.
Lori Lisai (01:00:19):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:00:23):
I'm glad you found me.
Lori Lisai (01:00:24):
Yes, me too.
Mary Lee (01:00:26):
help me work on something here and I feel so
energized and full of greatideas and my brain is just,
yeah.
Lori Lisai (01:00:35):
Yay.
Oh, I love it.
I'm so excited.
That's so great.
I,
Mary Lee (01:00:40):
excited.
Lori Lisai (01:00:40):
yeah.
Anytime I'm able to introducesomebody to human design is a
win because it's made such adifference for me in helping me
navigate perimenopause andreally giving myself permission
to do the things that I wanna doand to understand how I work.
You know, it's like a manual foryourself.
(01:01:03):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:01:04):
you've said it perfectly and in the context of
lifestyle protocols for managingthe midlife transition, we can
follow the key protocols oflifestyle.
So our nutrition and exercise,the more that we can, help our
body physically, we are helpingit energetically so that we have
(01:01:25):
the ability to open up thosechannels and create more of a
mind body connection.
That's a whole other discussion.
But back to simple lifestyleprotocols for managing
menopause.
Exercise, what we eat, how wemanage stress, and sleep
management.
Things we can do to improve oursleep because sleep is the pan
as far as I'm concerned foreverything.
(01:01:46):
then the sense of community.
But now you got those five, thisis like the sixth protocol,
which is yourself thatpermission can shape and change
the body and change what you eatand management.
But now you have this this.
(01:02:07):
This chart, like you
Lori Lisai (01:02:09):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:02:10):
heading that tells you everything that you are doing
falls within this design, andhere is your permission to have
the personality that you havewith it within the context of
all the other systems that wehave.
We find ourselves in this, inthis dense, earthly planet.
Lori Lisai (01:02:33):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And I, I love that you named offall of the different, uh, kind
of.
Protocols and ways to approachperimenopause and menopause and
human design has something tosay about all of those.
Actually it even like you can,for example, an exercise routine
(01:02:54):
for a non sacral being versus asacral being.
I would approach those twothings differently.
a projector will probably becompletely exhausted.
With a five day, lifting weightsroutine or a lot of cardio
throughout perimenopause andmenopause versus a generator
(01:03:15):
type that might be supportivefor them.
Another thing that might comeinto play would be their root.
if you have a defined route oran undefined route, there's a
big difference between how thosetwo function.
Human design also talks aboutour digestion and how we take in
not only food, but information.
So for example, your digestionis nervous touch, and
(01:03:38):
essentially what that means isthat it's best for you to kind
of be in this like buzzing,moving around.
I don't know if you eat on thego, but that is, that is
supportive for you if you areable to eat on the go or to eat
while you're doing somethingelse, or to just have some
(01:03:58):
action and moving around.
Yes, yes.
Mary Lee (01:04:02):
I'm sitting at the dinner table, my leg is
fidgeting, dinking, ding, dink,ding, dink, ding,
Lori Lisai (01:04:05):
There you go.
Yes.
Mary Lee (01:04:06):
still.
Lori Lisai (01:04:07):
Right.
And, and this is a great exampleof these, these gurus who come
out with this blanket statementof, when you're eating, you
really should sit in quiet andpay attention to every bite that
you take and et cetera, etcetera.
And yes, for some people, forexample, if you are calm, touch,
(01:04:28):
yes, that is perfect.
Sit in quiet, try to have yourenvironment be as calm as
possible.
But that's not going to be, I.
Productive or helpful for thedigestion of somebody who has
nervous touch, who has, highsound or something like that.
there are digestions that are,there's one called consecutive,
(01:04:48):
for example, where it's best foryou if you, let's use the
Thanksgiving dinner plate as anexample.
Here.
You sit down, you have a bigplate of all the different
things instead of mixingeverything up.
Consecutive appetite is best byeating the Turkey first and then
moving to the sweet potatoes andeating all of those, et cetera,
(01:05:10):
et cetera.
And eating a fresh diet that is.
Seasonal really is like aconsecutive appetite.
So anyway, those are some of themore fi like the finer details
of human design.
but all of them are reflected,which is just a another reason
that I love to use human designto help us during perimenopause,
(01:05:32):
because it touches on all ofthose things and it personalizes
it, you know?
Mary Lee (01:05:37):
great.
Oh my
Lori Lisai (01:05:37):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:05:38):
know, this is going to shift the way I coach and train
women.
when I,'cause I'm, I help themwith their strength training
programs and I just help themwith, as a menopause doula.
We just are there to hold spacewith them and give them these
little, tricks and tips andknowledge about what they have
at their disposal
Lori Lisai (01:05:56):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:05:57):
agency of their menopause so that they can make
choices about having to wait foran external factor, know, such
as HRT.
Not
Lori Lisai (01:06:04):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:06:05):
it, that is one piece of the puzzle, but they have so
much at their disposal.
But now I am going to shift alittle bit and say, okay, before
we get started on our program,do your human design, your, free
chart
Lori Lisai (01:06:19):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:06:20):
website helps me understand, okay.
Now I know what you're, I mean,I can't read it, but I'll know a
little bit more about, okay,this is why this person is very
fidgety in my class, forexample, and this person is.
Completely on the floor pile ofsweat saying, I can't do this
anymore.
Lori Lisai (01:06:39):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:06:40):
I think that in truly to honor the role of a doula, we
have to show up in compassionatelisteners.
And as a coach, you have to showup where your client is at.
Lori Lisai (01:06:50):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:06:51):
client in front of you, not the program.
Lori Lisai (01:06:55):
Right.
Mary Lee (01:06:55):
has to adjust.
And that little tidbit ofinformation of knowing their
human design me that aha, I getit.
Let's adjust, let's modify sothat you can reap all the
benefits and have success.
Because there are so manyprograms out there that are
cookie cutter design.
You just do this, you'll getthese results,
Lori Lisai (01:07:17):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:07:17):
doesn't fit.
And I always often feel like I'mnot fitting into that program.
I don't.
So I'm very apprehensive when Isee all of these, buy this, buy
that, and try this and try thatbecause it is so cookie cutter.
Lori Lisai (01:07:29):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:07:30):
me, not
Lori Lisai (01:07:31):
Right?
Mary Lee (01:07:32):
to the masses.
Coach me
Lori Lisai (01:07:35):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:07:36):
wanna coach you.
And
Lori Lisai (01:07:37):
Yeah.
Mary Lee (01:07:38):
what you do with your clients.
Oh my goodness.
Lori Lisai (01:07:40):
Hmm.
Mary Lee (01:07:41):
So much synchronicity going on here.
I love this.
I love this, I love this.
Beautiful.
Lori Lisai (01:07:46):
Same.
So good.
Mary Lee (01:07:48):
could talk for hours, honestly, for hours and hours,
but I want to leave ourlisteners with one thing, that
there's multiple different,well, five designs.
but what is one thing that aperimenopause menopausal woman
can do just to find some grace?
Some respite, if you will, asshe is going through this
(01:08:11):
massive transition and trying tohonor who she truly is,
Lori Lisai (01:08:15):
Yeah, I think a great place to start is with
learning what your energy typeis
Mary Lee (01:08:21):
right?
Lori Lisai (01:08:23):
If you know that information, then you understand
not only how to honor the waythat your energy works, and I
usually split it between sacralbeings, generators, and
manifesting generators and nonsacral beings, manifesters
projectors and reflectors.
(01:08:45):
So learning the differencebetween which camp you're in and
how your energy affects otherpeople, because.
As much as we want to focus onourselves in this phase of life,
we're in relationship with otherpeople consistently and
constantly.
And I think learning your energytype and also learning the
(01:09:07):
energy type of your loved onescan help you to build so much
empathy and understanding notonly for yourself, but also for
the people that you're, youknow, consistently around.
And as we know hormones and thehavoc that they wreak on our
(01:09:28):
emotions, how ragey we can get,I think knowing other people's
human design can be reallyhelpful for you to just say
like, okay.
for example, if I'm a projectormom and I have generator
children, I.
They're probably going toexhaust me.
And just understanding that is astep in the right direction.
(01:09:53):
And then being able tocommunicate that to your
partner.
Let's say your partner is agenerator being, you can just
say, look, I really need you totake, the kids or take the lead
for this and I need to go take aprojector nap.
That's what I need to function.
And there can be thisunderstanding versus blame or
selfishness or whatever.
(01:10:14):
So I think that, I think energytype is a great place to start.
Mary Lee (01:10:19):
Wow.
What a shift in the schoolsystem it would be if we knew
this information.
Lori Lisai (01:10:24):
No.
Mary Lee (01:10:26):
Oh my goodness.
But it goes back to the twothings.
The old adage seek first tounderstand before being
understood.
Understand the energy of others.
And I think the second thing iswhen we say, especially in a
fitness class or a class of anytype, it's like, honor your
energy.
you need to rest in Shavasana ora child's post, honor that
energy.
Lori Lisai (01:10:46):
Mm-hmm.
Mary Lee (01:10:47):
to take a break, if you need to.
I always say, if you need totake a hot second to take a
break, take that break and thenget right back in when you're
ready.
'cause it's oh, permission to bemyself.
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (01:10:59):
Exactly.
Mary Lee (01:11:00):
Yeah.
Lori Lisai (01:11:00):
Yes, yes.
Mary Lee (01:11:02):
Oh, Lori, I wanna bring you back.
It's been a delight.
We'll get all your links in theshow notes, including where we
can find your free.
to find out what everybody'senergy is and, stay tuned for
more details of part two of thisamazing episode.
Thank you so much, Lori.
Lori Lisai (01:11:20):
Thank you so much for having me.
I so appreciate it.
Mary Lee (01:11:25):
I can't encourage you enough to go check out Lori
Lisai's website and there you'llget a link to do a free guide.
You'll find out what your chartis, and it's at Lori Lisai,
L-O-R-I-L-I-S-A-I dot com.
You can also find her podcast onApple at Midlife-By-Design.
(01:11:48):
She's on YouTube@lorilisai-midlifebydesign, and
she's on Instagram@lorilisai, aswell as on her Facebook
lori.lisai.
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