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June 19, 2025 21 mins

Have you ever noticed those competing voices in your head? The one that spirals into doubt, questioning your progress, and another that whispers wisdom and reassurance? During a peaceful evening by my cottage fireplace, I experienced this familiar internal dialogue - what I call my "Woe" and "Wow" voices.

This episode explores how to recognise these distinct inner voices and strengthen the wise, powerful "Wow" voice that often gets drowned out by our noisy inner critic. 

I share a profound revelation that changed everything for me: "You'll know you're there not when you're rich, but when you stop needing money to prove you're worthy of being heard." This insight applies beyond finances to any external validation we desperately seek.

The transformation happens when we realise that money (or any measure of success) doesn't respond to begging or desperation. These resources want to build with us, not rescue us. Becoming your empowered 'Wow' self requires courage rather than confidence, changing on the inside before seeing evidence on the outside. 

Most people who seem to "make it" don't feel any more ready than anyone else - they've simply stopped waiting for the world to crown them and claimed their role first.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, hello, I'm Marilyn.
Welcome to my corner of thepodcasting world.
One of the many things I adoreabout this adventure that was
one year and now it's turning totwo of living by myself in a
country cottage, are the winters, the fires.
Yeah, I'm a little bit overlugging firewood and chopping

(00:22):
firewood, but there's nothinglike being curled up by the fire
.
So last night I did that.
It's become a bit of a ritualfor me.
I put on this jazz in thebackground playlist from Spotify
.
I just poured a glass of wineand my cat that adopted me, the

(00:45):
stray cat Kitty, she's sittingthere purring on my lap and look
.
Honestly, it was ideal.
It felt really peaceful.
I'd intended to read a book, soI grabbed it.
I had a pencil in my hand, butI thought I'd just check on my
phone one more time.
A few minutes later, I think Iwas on Instagram.
My thoughts started spiraling.

(01:05):
The old thought crept in, likeit still does sometimes Marilyn,
what's the point, why is ittaking you so long?
Like a muscle memory.
But then a quieter voicestepped up.
It's more steady, like, and itwasn't dramatic and it didn't
march in and declare war on thatwindy voice.

(01:27):
But she said Marilyn, you'renot behind, you're exactly where
you are meant to be.
Now I have names for these twovoices woe and wow.
No prizes for which is which.
And that moment in front of thefire last night and it'll
probably happen again tonight itreminded me that we don't

(01:49):
always feel powerful.
We don't stop thinking.
It's about learning to hearthat wow voice faster and that's
what this episode is about andhow to follow that voice, that
wow voice, even when the oldfears try and take the mic
inside our head and our body.

(02:10):
So here's what I want to talkabout today, and it relates a
lot to money, which is the greattest often of where we are at
in our thinking, our beliefs, ofwhere we are at in our thinking
, our beliefs and our emotionalregulation.
Now, most of us have beentrained, like I have, to equate

(02:32):
arrival, success, arrival withproof.
You know, money in the bank, anumber on the bathroom scales,
the partner in the bed beside usor, for those of you listening,
who are building your greatlife, work might be a business,
might be a work of art, career.
We measure it by the followers,the fans, the bookings in the

(02:58):
calendar, the P&L, the eyebrowsraised in admiration.
But here's the real truth andthe one that set me free.
You'll know you're there, notwhen you're rich, listen but
when you stop needing money toprove you're worthy of being
heard.
You can replace money withanything else.
I'm going to say it againYou'll know, and these are words
that my inner voice said to me,my wow best said to me you'll

(03:22):
know you're there, not whenyou're rich, but when you stop
needing money to prove you'reworthy of being heard.
You'll know, because theurgency will actually lift the
shame of being behind, will goquiet, instead of hustling and
taking all the action forevidence.

(03:43):
Instead of hustling and takingall the action for evidence, the
proof you'll start, like I didmagnetizing, attracting
opportunities from a place thatdoesn't feel like you are
pushing a boulder up a hill, orwe use that word hustle, which
has actually been given a badname.

(04:03):
There's nothing wrong with hardwork absolutely but when we're
pushing and pushing to find thatvalidation, that's when we get
burnout and that's where thingslike putting in the effort and
taking action or hustling isgiven a bad name.
The irony here is that that'sexactly when money starts

(04:26):
showing up Fast clean.
Let's use that word alive, notbecause you need to prove
something, but because youfinally don't Try on this new
belief for size.
You're not chasing wealth,you're becoming the person it
wants to sit beside, or sit inthe lap and purr like a cat or a

(04:50):
dog, because money doesn'trespond to begging.
Money wants to build stuff withyou.
Whoa, money doesn't respond tobegging.
Money wants to build stuff withyou.
Okay, I know what you'reprobably thinking right now.
This sounds good, marilyn, butit feels way out of reach.

(05:12):
I like to be practical, I liketo be real.
So let's go deeper.
Let's go, rorer.
Let's explain it in another way.
You ready?
How do you become that personwho knows this in your bones,
especially when there are debtsto pay, or especially if your
bank account?
That's where it really hits theroad?

(05:33):
You don't become this by tryingto feel better about your debt
or having one of those positiveaffirmations that you're trying
to talk yourself into feelingbetter about it.
Whether it's debt, whether it'syour bank balance, whether it's
just unmet expectations, we canbe making a million dollars,

(05:58):
five million dollars, 10 milliondollars, and still feel
frustrated because someone elseor our expectations are wanting
to make $10 million.
So it's not some trick ofpositive thinking.
You've heard that sort of advicebefore you become this person
by letting the debt or theexpectation lose its grip on

(06:24):
your identity, when you stopmeasuring your worth by your
money, your followers, bookdeals, even breakthroughs
because when we're really honestwith ourselves, most of us are
looking for externalbreakthroughs, things that come
from the outside.
Breakthroughs, things that comefrom the outside.

(06:49):
Let's go even blunter Debt is anumber, money is a number.
The person you're becoming, theperson I'm becoming and I'm
going to use her because and shea lot.
You can just change thatpronoun however you want the
person I'm becoming actuallypays her debt, not with panic or
fear, but with power.

(07:09):
It's leading with that identity.
It's not avoiding bills andpretending you're someone you're
not and pretending it's notthere.
It's seeing them and seeingthem.
Okay, this is a bridge.
This is almost like a test.
This is an experiment.
This is an opportunity topractice, not just listening to

(07:33):
that wow voice, but choosing totake on that identity.
And choosing it's not fakingconfidence, it's not pretending,
it's not performing.
It's choosing that identitythat your wow zone is actually

(07:54):
behind, linked to, and it'schoosing it.
And this involves couragerather than confidence.
Before the world catches up,before reality catches up before
anything changes.
Because often and you've heardthis before, but maybe it'll
land this time differently iswe're waiting for the outside to

(08:16):
change, to give us evidence sothat we can feel different on
the inside.
But the trick is to, or noteven the trick.
That sounds like deceptive,doesn't it?
It's the truth.
Let's say the truth.
The truth is change on theinside, then the outside

(08:37):
response.
So here's the thing to do Everytime, the pressure to fix
something let's use debt as anexample rushes in.
You've got that pressure rushesin.
I need to fix this, I need tochange this.
And you know that feeling.
There's a little bit of panic,there's a little bit of fear.
Ask yourself what would thatperson do?

(09:01):
That wow zone person, thathigher self, that?
What would that person do?
The one who's already free,already trusted, already known.
Now, bit by bit, as you do that,the gap between where you are
right now and who you'rebecoming, it disappears.
And notice I said becoming notfixing.

(09:22):
So I don't believe that we needfixing, I believe that we just
need to unleash that other oneinside us.
Well, the gap disappears everytime we practice this, every
time we experiment with it, andin its place is a person who

(09:43):
walks like money's alreadyfollowing us, already in our
laps.
It's not a oh, I feel like it.
It's actually a decision that'soutside of feeling.
This is one of these areaswhere you do wait for action
first, not the feeling, andthose of you in tall poppies
you'll know what I'm talkingabout there, on our power

(10:05):
looping.
It's an action to take, it's adecision.
And here's a truth you probablydon't want to hear, because I
didn't when I first had thisrevelation.
You ready, you haven't made thedecision yet there it is.
You haven't made the decisionyet.
You've been waiting to becomethis person that you know you

(10:26):
want to be, you know is probablyinside.
You just haven't made thedecision yet.
And if you're like me, it waslike taking off.
I just didn't go into the air,I just kept laying down the
runway.
I'm going to become this person, I'm going to do that, I'm
going to be that.
But I kept myself grounded bylaying more track on the runway.

(10:51):
But it was because I justhadn't made the decision yet and
I didn't realize that I had it.
I was still scanning the roomfor permission.
I was still checking my bankaccount for a sign, still asking
is it safe to believe in myselfnow?
Now, a lot of this wassubconscious.

(11:11):
I didn't know this washappening and so, please, when
you hear this, watch that voice,the woe voice who wants to
condemn and shame us.
But if I'd allow the doubts tolinger around instead of shooing
them off with that wow zonevoice, higher self, the greater

(11:35):
self, then I'd probably go tobed depressed and wake up
depressed.
Most of us and I say me firstare still auditioning for the
worthiness we were born with,instead of just choosing it.
Okay, so how do we become thisperson?
You stop waiting to feel likeit first and you start acting

(11:56):
like it, even when it's awkward,dry mouthed, wildly
inconvenient.
It's not about faking it tillyou make it.
I don't mean that.
You've probably heard thatbefore.
Let me divert for a second justto explain something.
It's just my little theory, butit might help because it helped
me Deep down.

(12:17):
You probably know there's threeof you, and I don't mean you're
schizophrenic or bipolar.
Firstly, there's the powerful,wise, quiet one that we've just
been talking about.
Then there's the noisy, fearful, scratchy one, the mean one,
and, honestly, if we spoke toother people or our kids or our

(12:38):
partners.
The way that voice in us talksto us, we would be considered
incredibly mean, probably verylonely, by ourselves.
So there's the wow voice andthere's the whoa voice and then
there's the you, who can seeboth of these voices and it's

(12:58):
funny, really like a soap operagoing on.
One is loud and bossy, theother is quiet and whispers and
is respectful, but we sometimesthink the noisy, fearful one is
the only only one, but it's thatone that wreaks havoc on our
nervous system.
And this whole podcast episodeand, honestly, the great life

(13:20):
work of mine, is to help us alltune into like tuning into a
station on the car radio thatinner voice.
That is the powerful, wise one,the one I've been calling your
wow zone.
Okay, so let's get back now towhat we were talking about
before how to become that wowzone person.

(13:40):
Answer the very next email likeshe would Record the next video
you make, like she would havethe next conversation like she
would.
And stop feeling you have toexplain yourself all the time.
She wouldn't do that.
And when your body flinches orit's probably your head and says

(14:01):
this isn't me, don't make thatmean to stop that powerful.
You isn't behind the fear,she's actually behind the choice
to show up anyway, the choiceto go, or what does the wise one
say?
And sometimes there's so muchnoise going on up there that we

(14:23):
don't hear, but she's there.
It's not about confidence, as Isaid before.
It's about a word that we don'tuse enough calibration,
calibrating to that inner voiceor tuning in like the radio.
That's a really good analogy.
We're actually born with that,but society, schooling our
families, junk trained it out ofus.

(14:45):
When you calibrate to thisvoice and make the move first,
your nervous system will catchup.
And back to your money, so willyour income.
This is the breakthrough,because most people stop right
here when it gets foggy anduncomfortable and you don't feel
like it.
And it's not yet embodied, it'snot yet a new muscle memory

(15:08):
that you've laid down to listenout for this wise voice.
But after listening to thisepisode, not you or me anymore
and I'm not saying you won'thave that woe voice screaming in
your ear, crying, whinging,pointing out everything you
haven't done yet.
You will still have that voice.
But it's about recognizingquicker every time, quicker

(15:32):
where it might take a day beforeor months before, and now only
takes you minutes or splitseconds to allow that other
voice to come in as well and notberate the woe voice, not shame
it, but give it compassion andgrace.
Why don't you decide that fromthis second on, you'll start
giving airtime to that wow voiceinside you?

(15:55):
We often talk about the 1%.
The 1% that seem to make thingswork in life.
They seem to make it in life.
They actually don't feel readyeither.
They've just stopped waitingfor the outside world to crown
them.
They claimed that role, thatwow zone role, before the world

(16:16):
handed it over.
So we're kind of talking abouttwo things in this episode this
ability to listen to thesevoices, but also your decision
to step into the identity of thewow zone.
And that's what we're actuallyup against An old identity that

(16:36):
says I don't know her, I don'tknow how to act like her.
I've got a quick invitation, ifit's landing and you're done
waiting to feel ready, ready andyou'd like to learn some
practices, to power loop, whatwe call power looping in the
Tall Poppy Society.
It's a practice, it's a rhythmto hear these voices and to flip

(16:59):
them around really quickly.
Where your inner voice becomesyour, you know your higher.
Inner voice becomes your normal.
Where your inner voice becomesyour, you know, your higher
inner voice becomes your normaland where calibration to this
turns into a rhythm or amovement in you, and where
leaders, or as I call them, tallpoppies, stop hiding.
Come and join us.
It's probably nothing you'veexperienced before.
It's a live subscription, asupport subscription, a

(17:22):
community subscription, apractice of these things that I
talk about.
It's not a library like aNetflix library for you to watch
.
It's not like a course for youto go through.
It's real, live support forpeople building their great life
work.
And I call it Tall PoppySociety because that's who we're
operating as tall poppies,those who are wanting to stand

(17:46):
up, probably afraid to do sobecause of the connotations of
when you stand up and you stepup and you become more visible,
the world wants to knock youdown.
Come and join us.
The invitation's there.
So let's get back to thatpractical way of unleashing that
tall poppy inside you, that wowzone inside you.

(18:08):
Here's how to start.
One, give her a name, choose aname that makes you giggle or
feel taller when you say it.
I've shared mine the wow voiceor the wow zone.
Maybe borrow the name tallpoppy or great one or the boss,
or, if it was for me, my name'sMarilyn, I'd call her big M.
You could do that.
That's a good one, big M, smallM.

(18:30):
Number two give her a fiveminute role right now or
straight after you've heard thisepisode.
Now I don't mean a wholerebrand, not a TED talk, just
one little thing a DM reply orreply to a text, a voice note,
an outfit, one tiny, tiny actionthat belongs to her.

(18:51):
Not the current you or not thewhingy you, the small you.
A third thing is perhaps setsome kind of ritual before you
open your laptop, light thatcandle that's over there that
you always forget to use, getsome matches and light it.
Take three breaths and talk toher and say show me how you

(19:13):
would do this or see this, andthen do what she says.
Don't stop and overthink andoveranalyze.
And if you really want tocollapse time, here's a bonus
exercise Grab a journal or apiece of paper or an old
notebook and write out a shortscript called the day it all

(19:33):
changed and describe today fromyour future.
So imagine it's a year in thefuture or 10 years in the future
and you're describing today howyou were driving along or doing
the gardening or the houseworkor doing something, where you're
listening to this podcast,something clicked inside you.

(19:55):
I want to encourage you.
She's not far.
She's not this impossible dreamthat you have to keep reaching
for.
She's actually already in youand she's patient.
She doesn't mind waiting.
She just responds to you sayingyes, come on.

(20:16):
And she responds to you moving,taking action.
Even the shaky, awkwardmovement where you don't feel
like you know what you're doingand occupying and embodying more
and more and more the identitythat she gives you.
This is what separates the 1%.
They've chosen to live in thatidentity.

(20:38):
Sometimes we see it asarrogance or cockiness or
overconfidence or audacity, butthat's what separates, and
you're on the inside edge of itnow.
So let today be the day it allchanged, the day where you
decided to listen to and act onwhat your inner wow voice, your

(21:02):
inner wow identity is saying toyou Go and don't give up.
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