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September 23, 2025 23 mins

Positive Business Outlook or Work-Life Balance - which is more important? The "Grindscore" metric combines the two to determine the attractiveness of a company for employees. 

Dave "CAC" Kellogg and Ray "Growth" Rike discuss the metric from many different angles including:

  • The origin of the Grindscore metric
  • Positive Business Outlook (PBO) + Work-Life Balance (WLB)
  • Sample of Private and Public Company Grindscores
  • Why a high PBO and high WLB scores the same as a low PBO and an average WLB (flaws of the metric)


This episode covers a metric that most software companies are not using - and the conversation may put a light on some of the reasons why?!

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