Brews N' Reviews - 28 Years Later; Zombie Ice - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome welcome to brews and reviews.
With mick and pat.
I'm mick and I'm pat and eachweek we sit down with you
degenerates to pretend we'recertified cicerones and
cinephiles that is right.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
So let's grab a cold one and join us as we review
zombie Ice by Three Floyds andthe movie 28 Years Later.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
And if you've been with us before, you know what
time it is.
Release the Kraken.
You're way early on that one.
I don't know, I was earlier.
You're late.
I thought I suppose we crack itafter the supposed to.
We crack it after the crack.
We crack it on the wolf.
Oh, I've always cracked onafter the crack.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
We have to listen to the previous episodes, all right
, uh, yeah.
So Billy Jean, god bless hersoul.
Um, while I was driving backfrom shooting today, um was, uh,
while I was driving back fromshooting today was being a
wonderful spouse and supportivespouse, as she looked up at one

(01:32):
of our local big liquor storewarehouses and found this Three
Floyds brewery and that they hada beer called Zombie Dust.
So I was going there to pick upa six pack because they said it
was in stock.
Got there, they said they weresold out, but they had a beer
called Zombie Dust.
So I was going there to pick upa six pack because they said it
was in stock.
Got there, they said they weresold out but they had Zombie Ice
.
I was like, bro, zombie Ice man, zombie Ice sounds like the

(01:52):
most.
Pat, tell me if I'm wrong, thissounds like the most gas
station beer, oh yeah.
This sounds like the most likefour locos.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Gas station alcoholic beverage.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, and locos gas station alcohol like beverage,
yeah, and I was like.
I was like I don't know, Idon't know if I want this, like
uh, and I was like is this stillbeer?
And he's like, yeah, it's stillbeer, but you just gotta buy
them individually.
As tall boys, I'm like thisisn't helping the case.
This is not helping the case atall.
Um but, anyway.
So we got him here.
It's a.
It's a undead double ipa ordouble pale ale maybe not indian
pale ale but uh, yeah, I'mgonna take my first taste here.

(02:30):
And uh, I don't think undeadmeans anything, does it pat?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think they ain't I think it's their own thing yeah
on this can.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
This says it's not normal.
This is zombie ice.
The undead double pale ale fromthree Floyds.
On the front they got like thisskull zombie creature.
Is this zombie-y than just morelike a?
I don't know what's the guyfrom oh, this to me looks like.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
if you look up on your computer there, Pat, it
looks to me like the deathhorseman from the game
darksiders?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
yeah, if I remember correctly, see on their website,
they got him like in a hoodthat doesn't even look like this
dude no, but that's the.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's kind of like a that looks more like uh, what's
his name?
Sub-zero from mortal combat,yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You should tell people what this website is.
Oh, the Three Floyds website.
It's pretty cool.
When you go to their websiteit's like select your beer, but
it's kind of like select yourcharacter From, like a Mortal
Kombat game it looks pretty good.
You click it and they havecharacters for all their beers
and they've got, like, all thestats on their beers and stuff.
And so, yeah, this one it's 8.5ABV, 55 on the IBU which, as

(03:49):
we'll find out, is kind of weakfor three Floyds, is it?
Yeah, because while getting tothe history of this place, I
mean they started in 1996.
Oh, wow, so, as it started,they made their first beer
called the alpha king pale aleand uh to do a british pale ale,

(04:09):
and they said it was so bitterthat when they took it to local
retailers and uh bars somepeople were spitting it out
after sampling it.
And then that's when they saywe knew we were on the right
track I've definitely had beerlike that.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
You know, like rando, here's the thing I feel bad
like I'll go visit someone.
I'm like, oh yeah, like youlike beer man, like, come on,
we'll go, we'll go try thislocal brewery in some nowhere
town, indiana and I say indianajust because they're from muncie
or munster.
But like you go there and youtry it and you're like this is
god awful, this is such bad beerRarely is a beer bad enough

(04:49):
that I spit it out For sure.
I think it's admirable thatthey saw that as a mark of honor
, yep.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
But hey, that's the whole thing is.
They want to make not normalbeer and so then they made the
next one.
It's coming in 85 ibus, gettingeven more bitter, and that's it
was still getting spit out andthey said they really knew they
were on the right track.
So ever since then they've beengrowing, trying to make kind of
unique beers and stuff.
I like their main logo.
Their main logo kind of lookslike the avenge sevenfold, like

(05:19):
uh skull with wings, you know um, but uh, anyways, they have.
They have like a tap room.
Uh, there looks like it'sclosed right now for remodeling,
but they've got a tap room outin munster, indiana, and yeah,
they, they've got kind of this.
Uh, I'd say their websitematches the mick and pack vibe

(05:41):
of nostalgia and like like alltheir stuff's kind of looks like
old video games or like oldcomputers and like the whatever
it's a, just a.
That's their thing.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I mean that's a that's a point for them for me,
but, dude, honestly, like zombie, ice is an awful name.
I'm just gonna be that's anawful name.
Like, if ice is in beer name,it immediately gets the
stereotype of natty ice, whichis the trashiest.
Like I'm an alcoholic, I needto drink beer so I function, but

(06:13):
I also need to roof a housetoday and that's like you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Like that is the contractor needs to work, but
also needs to satiate theiralcoholism but also needs to
satiate their alcoholism.
So in zombie age it seems likeit came out of zombie dust,
because they say this wascrafted with an unholy amount of
citra hops.
This double undead pale aleheralds the zombie evolution
after the dust has settled fromthe apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So there it is.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I don't get how ice is a result of death dust, so
yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I think, and I think maybe they were, maybe they knew
what they were doing.
Like, even even like the, thefont on it is a little like I
think they were making fun ofthe name like that in cans like
this.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I just that's the thing, though they may be making
fun of it, but they might havedone too good of a job, and I'll
say this.
If billy jean did not send methis, I would have passed this
up immediately.
I would be like no, no, thankyou, not interested in garbage
gas station beer.
All that said, though, shouldwe do the swish test?
I'm ready all right, I'm gonnaexplain it while pat does it.

(07:23):
Uh, but you take a little bitof a tablespoon amount of beer
into your mouth and you let itroll over the tip and back and
sides of your tongue and youswitch your tongue side to side
to get the beer sloshing.
Then you let it all get infront of the tongue behind your
front teeth and then you push itthrough your front teeth.

(07:45):
Yeah, just like that, and itaerates it a lot.
It should bring out all thedifferent flavors inside.
According to this, can?
I don't expect there to be morethan citrus.
I think that's the flavorthey're going for, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
So, uh, I'm gonna go ahead do it, but, pat, give us
your thought yeah, I mean it'sjust citrus straight, but this
is straight in the vein of thecurrent IPAs that are very
popular, I think, where it'skind of that juice force IPA
flavor.
I'm not sure if I had them sideby side if I'd tell a major

(08:17):
difference, besides the factI've had a lot of juice forces
over the years, I was going tosay this tastes exactly like
juice force.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
This is one-to-one.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Juice Force.
It's like notched back one, Ithink, because on the dial,
because the Juice Force is also,it's pretty heavy at like 9.7.
Is it Uh-huh?
But I mean, I'd say, if Iclosed my eyes and was like
there, guess this beer?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'd say I think I'd say juice force.
Yeah, this is gas station juiceforce uh-huh so juice force is
often in many gas stations.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
It's become a gas station beer as well yeah since
we first reviewed on the showthe first beer ever reviewed on
the show.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah um, it did taste better than I'm gonna be honest
.
I just I've had it.
I just had a juice force nottoo long ago and I was like wow,
this used to taste so muchbetter.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I think they started making it for mass and sticking
it in every.
I mean I was in a gas stationin Florida.
They had it down there.
It's everywhere For sure.
So I think that this beerTastes like these citrus IPAs
that are coming out.
It does.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
And it's not, in my opinion, not bad.
It's not bad beer, yeah, butit's also just another ipa.
It's another citrus ipa uh andyou know, uh, it's yeah.
I mean, I guess I'll just sayit does taste like a slightly

(09:43):
less bitter juice force in myopinion.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
And the main marketing on here is it's not
normal.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I'm going to say this is kind of normal.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You know Kind of normal.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
What if they were like yeah, but we were doing it
long before juice force?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's true.
Maybe this did come out in 2023.
Not long before, yeah, sametime.
Maybe this, this, did come outin 2023, so not long before.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, same time, same time.
That's funny.
Um, I mean, what do we givejuice force?
I think we give juice force aone thumb or no thumbs.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I think it's probably one thumb each.
You know, was it one thumb each?
Was it pre-established thumbery?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, it was the first one the system might have
not been locked in as much astrue.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
You're right we've truly locked in the thumb system
these days yeah, the thumbsystem is pretty well
established at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Um, it's like the nest of beer.
Well, I'll say this nowadaysI'd give Juice Force no thumbs.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, it's just the,you know, most common palate IPA
currently Mm-hmm.
That doesn't mean it's bad,that just means it's not like

(10:56):
above average great.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
And with this, I kind of want to give it one thumb.
I kind of want to give it onethumb, and the reason I want to
give it one thumb is because Iexpected it to be so much worse.
Oh yeah, I expected it to be sobad.

(11:19):
And with a name like Zombie Ice,for it to taste this good.
I'm kind of impressed.
But maybe that's just themarketing getting at me.
You know the the graphic designsubtleties at work, so I don't
know.
I think I'm.
I think I'm going to go nothumbs on this, pat.
I think I'm going to go nothumbs on zombies.
Certainly not a thumb down.
Certainly a beer that I coulddrink and just like enjoy you
know one or two at an event.

(11:40):
But it's not going to be what Ibring to the next event and
it's I guarantee if I put it ina red solo cup with juice force,
it's gonna look the exact same.
Yep, so I don't know.
I got no points against it, butit's just also no points for it
tasting like juice force.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think that's, I think that's fine and I think
that's.
I'm no-thumber on this too,because for the same reasons I
was expecting something a littlebit more, maybe out there, like
even if it was bad, but it wasout there.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Like something just strange, like the battery acid
beer.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, just something that's like okay, this is, it
knows what it is what was thatbeer?
Again.
Nightmare Fuel yeah, that wasout there.
It was out there, but we alsothink that got us some downed
thumbs.
It was pretty rough that wasrough, but I'm going no thumbs,
and that's a C, that's a C.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's a C, it's an average.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
You can't spill college degree without Cs and Ds
.
I would say it is normal I do.
I think that we picked theright one for solely the fact of
the movie that we're reviewing,which is, yeah, 28 years later,
boom Zombies, and maybe nottechnically zombies.

(13:03):
Technically, I don't thinkzombies.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
They do say the word zombie in the movie, Like put
down that zombie baby.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Spoiler alert.
And it is zombie.
The 28 series are zombie movies.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, they are for sure oriented and categorized as
zombie films even though youmight quote unquote, say well,
they're not zombies, they'reinfected Technically.
They're infected Technically,they're viruses.
But the people don't die whenthey get infected and reanimate
Right, and they can die from,not just like headshots.
You know what I mean?

(13:37):
There's never a rule in any ofthe films that's like you got to
shoot them in the head, rightit was like very much just like
do mass damage to the pointwhere the body shuts off.
Yep, although there is a scenein the second movie this is also
not a spoiler because pathasn't seen and I'm fine saying
it there's definitely seen inthe second movie, pat where,
like a helicopter rotor goesthrough a crowd of these things

(14:03):
and they're still crawlingafterwards.
Oh yeah, and it's like, yeah,that's just the viruses like
increased adrenaline, uh,throughout the body, and it's
like, yeah, I get it, but alsolike those are kind of zombies.
Zombies keep crawling afterhelicopter rotors.
Go through them you know, Forsure, but all right, well, yeah,
let's.
Uh, let's get into the moviehere.

(14:24):
Um, I'll do like just a littlebit again the usual kind of
recap of the plot.
Um, this is the third movie inthe series and it picks up 28
years after the first.
Uh, a group of survivors of therage virus live on a small
island in england, the uk.
When one of the group leavesthe island on a mission into the

(14:47):
mainland, he discovers secrets,wonders and horrors that have
mutated not only the infectedbut other survivors um, which
you know.
I think the uh like summary ofthat's again pretty okay for
imdb.
Um, I would add on to it,especially post-watching this,

(15:08):
that this is really acoming-of-age hero's journey
movie more than it is aninfected zombies movie.
And I think I want to say thatnow, just so people are in the
proper frame of reference whenwe're talking about the film and
its themes and stuff and ouropinions on it.

(15:29):
Because the other coming I meanthe other 28 movies like 28 Days
Later and 28 Weeks Later, arenot at all hero journeys or
coming of age journeys.
Hero journeys or coming of agejourneys.
They are purely like horrormovie.

(15:50):
Uh, horror action with like uh,as all horror movies usually
are, a level of socialcommentary like the first movie
really does have a thing of like, oh my gosh, like how awful is
this after you know, waking upand seeing like the world's gone
to hell in four weeks.
But really the monsters, likethe worst monsters in the movie
are definitely like the uh,debased humans that justify

(16:14):
immorality in a time wheresociety's fallen.
Um, and then the second movie.
I don't even think the secondmovie really has much of like a
social commentary, as much asmaybe of just like the
government can fail, even whenit has the best intentions.
The government can like dothings poorly.

(16:35):
But anyways, those socialcommentaries, you can watch the
whole movie and not pick up onthem at all and just be like,
wow, this is a zombie horrormovie, this is not a zombie
horror movie.
Like I would never explain tolike, wow, this is a zombie
horror movie.
Um, this is not a zombie horrormovie.
Like I would never explain tosomeone that this is a horror
movie.
I I explained to billy jean onthe way home uh, because pat and
I actually for once saw a movietogether.

(16:56):
Um, and then our wives werehanging out and we drove back
and I told billy jean I don'tthink he would have liked it.
Even though it wasn't really ahorror movie, there were
horrific things that occurred init.
There were horrific scenes.
The overall vibe was not horrorand it really did.
Honestly, like I thought therewas horrific scenes in Hamlet.

(17:19):
I thought there was horrificscenes in some of these other
more medieval Shakespeareanfantasies.
What's the big one?
Not Hamlet, but Macbeth.
Honestly, this feels like itcould have been a Shakespeare
movie, a movie adaption of aShakespeare story, because there

(17:40):
was just this weird level offantasy, hero's journey,
storytelling to it, which I Idon't want to spoil more without
getting like into the otherthings about it, but like I'm
curious, pat, how you feel aboutit, because I didn't.
I was not, I hadn't processedthe film after we had seen it
enough to understand.
That's how I felt.

(18:01):
But I knew when we walked out Iwas like I'm disappointed.
It wasn't a zombie horror movie, but I don't know if I'm
disappointed in the movie.
I think the movie was.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
It could have been a good movie, but I'm so rug
pulled right now that I have toprocess what it was I think that
with the first two movies thatcame out that was, which you
haven't seen, which I haven'tseen but they were horror movies
.
But in that moment, for thosecharacters, they were living in

(18:36):
a horror movie.
The characters in this thirdmovie are no longer living in a
horror movie, they are living intheir normal.
It's been three decades, sotherefore they're living in a
horrific world that is nownormal.
So, like the, and the stage orthe universe has been set for,

(18:57):
just where they're living theirlives out, I think is part of it
too.
We're like so the, in the sameway that if a zombie outbreak
happened right now, the level ofhorror and upheaval would be,
you know so, um, psychologicallydevastating to it's like me and

(19:23):
you right now if it happenedright now, In 30 years from now.
that would just be the way it is.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Which we see very clearly on display.
Society's moving on.
In fact, it's kind of nice,kind of like what a lot of
people I think would wantnowadays is like a little
agrarian private community wherethey get to all work together
it was pretty.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
It was pretty a communist utopia definitely, and
so I think that that's a partof I don't know if that was
intentional from them on thatside of things or if they just
wanted to make a more, uh, tella different type of story around
.
I think they use the 28 days or28 weeks or 28 years universe
to just tell a story in thatworld and continue moving the

(20:07):
story forward.
I agree with that Because, yeah, it's almost even like the kind
of like some of the laterseasons of Walking Dead, versus
like the first, like Well, theWalking Dead was always about
the survivors.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Or the Walking Dead, right, right.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
That first season where it's like, oh my god, this
is like Zombie apocalypse, yeah, but the apocalypse was over.
Now you're just going Like byseason four.
It's just like this is whatwe're doing.
This is post-apocalypse andit's, yeah, a post-apocalyptic
world.
That's probably the best way todescribe it.
They live in post-apocalypticworld versus living through an

(20:44):
apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Especially, which everyone just so knows.
If you don't know if you'regoing to see the movie or not
and don't want spoilers, bow outnow, because now we're going to
get into it, because I'm goingto start referencing some other
parts of the film that play intowhat Pat's discussing here.
But I think the big thing thatpoints to that is like the uh

(21:07):
soldiers from uh finland or Ithink it was sweden sweden, yeah
, but they get uh shipwrecked onuh the united kingdom and
they're trying to survive whileuh the zombies are there.
They uh they all have moderntech and equipment, um, and they
have their cell phones and uhone of them, while stranded on

(21:28):
here, is trying to communicateto the uh survivors on the
island are one of our maincharacters, just the uh like the
rules of the world around thatoutside of the island, and he
pulls out his phone at one pointand is looking through stuff
and this kid is so confused byit and you could tell like this
soldier has like no empathy forthis kid's uh lack of experience

(21:51):
or knowledge on like what he'sshowing him like he has.
He he's like just caught up withhis own circumstances of being
trapped and like the world isjust like yeah, the uk's gone
yeah, the uk is a is aquarantined island of infected.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That's just the way life is, and the rest of the
world is is just like we are nowyeah, the rest of the world is
a modern 21st century.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Everything's moved forward and uk is just
inaccessible or quarantined offbut all right, um, getting into
that point stuff, um, do youwant to just go briefly over
director top cast director dannyboyle, who also directed the
first?
Uh 28 days later and he onlydirected the introduction scene

(22:33):
for 28 weeks later.
Uh, alex garland wrote 28 dayslater and uh has worked with
danny boyle a bunch of stuff.
But alex garland wrote thisfilm, danny directed it, mostly
directed and filmed through thelens of iPhones, which is a kind
of controversial thing, becauseI definitely think the quality

(22:55):
of the film, just in regard tocolor picture contrast, all that
was actually worse.
Color picture contrast, allthat was actually worse.
It felt very art house, feltvery um, it felt like I
shouldn't have been pained towatch it in a movie theater.
I'll be like like the quality Iget, like it's cool because the

(23:17):
first 28 days later was filmedand almost like you see it today
and you're like dude, thequality of this is crazy low and
it was like filmed on like oldold, like hand-me-down uh
network used, uh like used bythe bbc film cinema cameras.
Yeah, old, old stuff like superlow quality though, like not

(23:37):
your, not your actual, true like35 millimeter film cameras,
like the film cameras used forfilming the news and they were
shit, but it had that look to itthat made it look very
nostalgic helps a horror film?
It does help a horror film andit helps the post-apocalypse
feel of like I'm watchingsomething that's coming after

(23:58):
the world has ended.
Um, the iphone really I don'tthink is a good phone.
I mean I don't think is a goodphone.
I mean I don't think it's agood medium for filming and
capturing the kind of like theenjoyable aesthetic of, like a

(24:19):
underground film.
I think if you want to get theunderground film thing, you just
need to be willing to shell outfor underground film cameras,
like get a legit old film cameraand pay the money to get some
film and get it developed.
If you want underground filmstuff, the iphone looks too
clean and its frame rate is toohigh that when it's recorded on

(24:43):
all this and they're using likehigh contrast, low light scenes
of like inside an abandonedhouse or at night by the ocean,
uh, it looks fake to a reallycheap way, like I thought the
night scenes looked really cheap, like very, very cheap.
Um, unless it was like notactually a night, like there's
the scene where they're in thatkind of abandoned ruins of the

(25:07):
castle and that felt to me likeit was never actually really
nighttime.
It was like dusk, like filtersand stuff, yeah, but then when
they're crossing the causeway atnight and there's the star
expanse across the sky becausethere's no light pollution, you
can see the Milky Way and allthat.
That.
That looked so cheap and faketo me.

(25:28):
That looked like it was made ina studio that they only had a
little bit of time to rent.
I don't it looked really bad inmy opinion.
I thought especially with likehow, like the contrast of the
white frothy water lookedcompared to the dark water.
It just didn't look very good.
Um, anyways, so it's got thatweird kind of attempt to be

(25:52):
underground, but it's got thebudget and production level of
like a true hollywood film.
So it feels like it's just notcommitted to one way or the
other and I kind of just wishthey would have committed to
using, like real cameras,because I don't think this saved
them that much money, likethey're still using like eighty
thousand dollar camera lensesand camera rigs.

(26:13):
They're just putting in aniphone in them, right, yeah, um,
but it was so.
That was a danny boyle, alexand their kind of direction
focus here.
And then the top cast was jodycomer she was, she was Mama.
Aaron Taylor-Johnson, he wasDada or Papa.
And then Ralph Fiennes was thisdoctor in the woods.
And then there's Alfie Williamswho plays our main protagonist,

(26:36):
spike, who is going on thehero's journey.
Anything else there that youwant to cover, pat, before we
get into like the timeline ofevents in the film and kind of
like our opinions on it yeah, Idon't think so.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'm curious now because I didn't know it was
filmed on iPhones until just alittle bit ago.
Some of the first scenes.
I think it probably only workedwell when they used them for
scenes trying to capture horror.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
They're doing those weird jump cuts and coming back
across like editing it withb-roll footage of like old timey
black and white war footage.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Not that it was like it was, it was like remember the
like.
It's like the first time themom and son are in the room and
she's having like a manicepisode and it kept like jumping
around and jumping and like itwas really jarring.
It was jarring but fitting forwhat was going on.
Or, yeah, some of the up close,the way they did use them to
scan across the faces and thingsand stuff.

(27:34):
I the, I think it.
There was a couple places itkind of worked, but on the big
overall it just seems likeprobably not a good.
Iphones have gone really good,but probably not cinematic,
fully cinematic.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
They're so good that at an amateur level you can use
them to make stuff lookprofessional.
But they're too good in that itdoesn't look underground
artistic anymore.
But they're too good in that itdoesn't look underground
artistic anymore, like I kind ofwas like why do that with
iPhones?
When you like you should justget a camcorder or like an old
Motorola.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Just film it on an old Motorola at like 480p and
get that like old undergroundart film, like going Blair Witch
style.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, like, kind of like, that's what I'm talking
about, you know exactly.
All right, uh, hopping into it.
So this is the hero's journeyand we're I'm going to approach
this and I've broken up thetalking points as the way the
hero goes on the journey, um,and so I got these few points
for the intro right, and I saythe intro is just like before
our hero sets off.
So, um, the opening is, uh, theday of the apocalypse, the day

(28:48):
of the rage virus outbreak andsociety falling apart, and we
see a room full of a bunch ofyoung kids probably kids, mostly
too old to be watchingteletubbies.
They're, like you know,probably middle school to
mid-element elementary age, andthey're sitting there watching
tell tubbies.
All of them look super stressedand a mom comes in to says, no

(29:11):
matter what, don't open thisdoor, and leaves.
And they're watching telltubbies as the world outside is
descending to screaming andnoise and ruckus of the infected
attacking.
And then, bro, infected come into the room and start eating
these kids, while one of them,like, hides behind the door and

(29:33):
gets out.
And that was on, that was a wayto kick it off.
I was like, when that happened,I was like, oh yeah, we're back.
We're so back to 28 days later.
Like this is the brutality, thezombie shock factor I was
expecting.
And then we see this kidrunning out and his mom tells
him again James, run away, runJames.

(29:56):
And he turns and starts runningand it was kind of a little
repetitive I thought with howmany times she didn't die but
got to tell him to run away.
She got to tell him to run awaylike three separate times after
getting bitten and then tackledand then bitten again, um, and
then he runs to this churchwhere his dad apparently is and

(30:18):
his dad's the pastor or priestor whatever.
Um, and he goes.
He's total's, total, classic,crazy, mad priest thinking this
is god's will in the end, timesfor people to be reborn into
this new rage virus.
Uh, and thankfully he doesn'tforce his son to like, he
doesn't try to force his son tosit there and just get eaten

(30:39):
with him.
He's like go and hide yeah whileI enjoy the rapture or whatever
, and the infected come inthrough the windows and eat him
and turn him into an infected,while our what we assume to be
the protagonist, james, ishiding uh out in the church and
then runs off with his dad'scross nice big golden kind of

(31:01):
cross on a chain for him to haveremember his father and then he
runs off and we cut to now, 28years later, on the island.
Um, before I go any furtherwith spike's introduction, what
do you think about thatintroduction to that whole, like
this is this is the 28 dayslater, because, honestly, that

(31:22):
that first part felt very 28days later maybe not as much of
like.
It was kind of on the nose cornyabout the mad pastor.
But the rest of it I was like,oh yeah, this is, this is the
right vibe, this is it?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
yeah, but I thought it was as it kicked off.
I that was intense.
The children just got it andyeah, and it was like I too
thought that we were, you know,getting set up with our main
dude and he's like all hisfathers are getting eaten in the
grate above him.
Did you hear him say Father,why have you forsaken me?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Did you hear him say Father, why have?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
you forsaken me.
Yeah, they do a lot of biblicalreferences kind of throughout
this as well, which are maybesometimes that's useful.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Sometimes it's like Sometimes it's like oh my gosh,
tell me you don't know the Biblewithout telling me you don't
know the Bible.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, just kind of like just throwing it in for
just because and so I did itwent off with a bang and it was
and I think it what it did doreally well was set up for
someone like me who hasn't seenthe other two movies to go.
It did make this movie standalone in its own way.
You didn't have to have seenthe other ones to watch this

(32:35):
movie in its entirety and tokind of understand what's going
on.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
True, you know, because they set up here's what
happened, you know, and they,they uh not retconned the second
movie because the second moviespoiler alert ends with the
infection having spread outsideof england to, uh, france
apparently, and uh, it's kind ofa very gloomy ending to the

(32:59):
second film because it's like,oh, it's out of control now and
the whole world's going to fall.
That's undone with like oneblack screen of text that says,
like the infection was pushedback out of Europe and you know,
the only place that has anyinfected now is the uk and the

(33:20):
uk has just been accepted to be.
I've been fallen.
There's been no attempt tore-quarantine any areas and like
rebuild civilization there.
It's just accepted like, hey,no one who goes there can leave,
no one who you know, uh, who'salready there, can leave.
It's just the way it is.
Um, so yeah, it was prettyquick at establishing, summing
up the first two movies and kindof what occurs.

(33:43):
I did like that it didn't haveany weird like attempt to try to
summarize Jim's story, becauseJim is also the main, the name
of the main protagonist in thefirst movie.
Ironically, this movie opens upwith the James, a young boy,
james, on the day of theinfection.
The first movie opened up withthe james, a young boy, james,
on the day of the infection.
The first movie opened up withjim, who was killian murphy's

(34:05):
killer character.
Um, but anyways, yeah, I didn'ttry to attempt to like sum up
jim and who jim is and just belike, hey, in case you didn't
see here's who jim is, and itreally didn't do any effort to
summarize the second movie,which I thought was okay,
because then it really makes youfeel like all right, right,
this is standing alone.
I don't have to have theexpectation that I'm going to
encounter any of those othercharacters.
This is a whole new story,which, that new story, we see

(34:28):
after the introduction.
28 years later, our protagonistSpike is waking up and he's
looking at a Power Ranger actionfigure he has and kind of
briefly admires and like, playsaround with and then puts back
on his desk before headingdownstairs to meet his father

(34:50):
and his father's, played byAaron Taylor Johnson, who's
cooking breakfast and we cantell it's a big day because his
father's making a meal with likepork, like actual bacon, which
on this small, small islandcommunity, is clearly a very
like expensive commodity yeah,um, so it's going to be an

(35:10):
important day for for our boy,spike um, and it's at that time
we also are introduced to hismother, played by jody comer um,
where she is having this likemanic, really tumultuous, like
confusion episode.
Clearly some kind of like mentalor even like I guess it's

(35:31):
technically like could be aphysical thing, but it seems
like she's having.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's a mental breakdown coming on from a
physical ailment.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, yeah, it seems like she's sick with something
that is actually causing her tohave like hallucinations and
confusion and severe brain pain.
Um, and it's clear that spikeand his dad are pretty used to
this, but also there's theydon't have anything in their
power they can do to make herbetter.
And so, um, spike and his dadtell her like yeah, it's spike's

(36:00):
big day today.
He's leaving the island for thefirst time.
He has to go be a man this ishis rite of passage to become a
man and a proactive member ofour community, and he's going to
go to get his first kill and dosome scouting, and then we're
coming back.
She loses her mind and startscalling her husband cunt over
and over and over, like almost,uh, tourette's, like and uh, go

(36:24):
ahead now during that scene.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
When I first, when we first watched it, I was like
this is, I did feel the it was amirroring of the infection it
wasn't the infection but theywere.
There was something.
You didn't even understand whatthey were getting at yet, but
it was.
I was like, okay, they areshowing this person going
through something.
That's the same thing asgetting infected.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
The rage virus turns infected people into mindless,
angry, raging, cannibalisticmaniacs.
Also, there's diseases todaythat turn us into raging,
mindless, confused, angry peopleand that's clearly the, the
parallel they're drawing there.

(37:09):
Um, we don't see her as, oh,she's infected, she's a zombie.
We don't see that.
But we do see is like, oh, thisis an ill person and I think
that's again like the firstthing, the first parallel to
your point, pat, is that, like,this movie does have a point
within it where it's like, hey,maybe the infected aren't not
human, maybe they are human andthey're just as sick as she is,

(37:31):
you know, and like there's thisquestion of do you should, we
have empathy for them or not?
Um, but that they'll come downthe line.
Um and uh, we see the islandand like everyone is celebrating
Spike as he leaves the islandwith his father to go out and
his father's testing him on therules.
Again, like you know, thecauseway what's the rule with
the causeway when it comes tolike when we can use it, and
it's like only at low tide,because high tide comes in and

(37:54):
we can't make it across and thecurrent of the ocean will pull
you away and I was like oh that,oh, that's sick.
Rather than just being like,yeah, we can't swim it, it's
like no, we legit can't swim itbecause there's an ocean current
.
Of course there is, and nomatter how hard you try, you
wouldn't be able to swim in astraight line across that gap of
land.
And everyone is celebratinglike go on, spike,

(38:15):
congratulations Spike.
They are also, I should saythis, dude I didn't know how
thick their welsh or like cock,not even cockney.
I don't know what the accent is.
It is like poor peasant englishand it's like some of the most
thick laid-on accent of englishand like is there's a good

(38:36):
chance you will miss dialogue ifyou are not familiar with that
accent.
Um, I don't know about you, butlike pat, like how hard was it
for you to like kind of tracksome of the things in the
beginning?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
yeah, yeah, it was, and I heard it was.
I looked up because I heard it,but it's northumbrian dialect
holy good lord.
Northumbrian dialect and it was.
It was like uh, it's a very uhthick.
Whatever it is, it's thick.
Well, it was authentic, it isit's thick.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Well, it was authentic, I guess.
You know I thought it wasreally well done but it was
pretty hard to understand attimes.
Yeah, and so we also see, likein this, as Spike leaves it's
like the first time we see himlike kind of almost not
undermining his father but justdemonstrating like he's he's not
going to be his dad because hisdad doesn't try to soften or

(39:27):
shelter, um have like like in amercy that he's taking spike to
the mainland from his mom.
He just is honest and blunt withit, even if it hurts her
feelings or causes her to getupset.
But in her disease or, you know, fevered mind and
hallucinations, she relapses andforgets what just happened.

(39:48):
And she asked Spike where he'sgoing, and he's going to school.
He says yeah, mom, I'm going toschool today.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
He just lies to her.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
for the sake of keeping the peace, Exactly, and
we see like he only does thatafter his dad leaves the room.
And then now he sets off on thejourney, crossing the causeway

(40:17):
to go to the mainland.
And this is what I like to callin the hero's journey becoming
the hero, becoming a man, andthe journey of, like, killing
the father, uh, which those ofyou who are familiar with your
journey probably don't needexplanation, but for those of
you who aren't, uh, think ofdisney movies.
Uh, disney movies do thispretty consistently in all like
shapes and sizes, um, to somedegree or another.
But the protagonist's parentsare almost always dead at the
beginning of a movie.
Or they are dying or they aregoing to soon die, um, and

(40:42):
rarely were.
I can't think of the last timea protagonist in a movie had a
disney movie, had both parentsall the way through.
Um, but essentially the, thekilling of the father is the
requirement that for the hero todevelop into the hero, there
must be a vacuum of therequirement to be a man or to be

(41:03):
a woman, right, and we see thisoften with these journeys of.
Maybe the protagonist doesn'tkill their dad, right, but they
realize their dad is not a goodman and they accept that, in
order to be a hero, they need tostop idolizing their father and

(41:25):
let their father diemetaphorically, so they can then
not be comparing themselves totheir father and trying to be
their father, but trying to besomething separate and better,
or, like the father actuallydoes, die the father.
The father dies, and now theymust become.
You know, they must fill thoseshoes and he'd become even
greater and not die to father.
The father dies and now theymust become.
You know, they must fill thoseshoes and he'd become even
greater and not die to whattheir father died from.

(41:45):
Um, and there's all thesedifferent metaphors for, you
know, killing the father, butspike sets out with his dad in
this hero's journey to become aman and part of his community.
Um, and I got you know somethings here that you know just
goes off, but but he learnsabout risk and consequences the
risk of leaving the city and theconsequence of, if you don't
time things right, you're goingto be stuck on the other side

(42:08):
and you won't be able to gethome, the fact that if you're
out there and you don't comehome, no one's coming to rescue
you.
It's against the rules of thecommunity.
He's told that he has to killinfected.
And in killing infected, hisfather tells him you know, like
the infected are soulless, they,since they have no mind and
self-control.
This means they have no soul,which means they're not human

(42:30):
anymore, and so killing them islike almost a mercy and it's
actually better to kill themthan it is even like to kill an
animal.
Like cause, an animal has,still, has its soul and has
value and value.
These things have no value,they, they are only a danger, um
to be cold.
And is that kind of mindset oflike being cold and killing and

(42:51):
killing the infected, um tosurvive, right, like they have a
very close call before they gethome, where an alpha almost
kills them right on the doorstepof their community as they're
running across the causeway andthey barely survive by the skin
of their teeth, and then,ultimately, they also learn to.
He learns, like from the fatherfigure, to tell lies, to be

(43:12):
grandiose, to boast um to, eventhough they did something great
and they succeeded and theylived, it's not enough for those
who don't go out, yep.
And his father lies about itand talks it up and makes it
bigger than what it was.
Whereas Spike is like realizing, he's like you know why lie
about it, when what did happenis enough, that was crazy.

(43:34):
And you know he realizes likehis father justifies it Like
well, they need this.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
And it puts him, it puts spike in a position to now
have to be what his father saidhe was.
Yes, because spike was losinghis crap, couldn't hit a shot
and his father had to save him.
When he get back, he's likespike was just taking them all
out Like there's not one afteranother.
He's a giant slayer.
You know all these things, likeyou know, and so he he's.

(44:02):
He's king david, exactly, andhe's setting him up for now.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
This like he has to fill these fake shoes right out
the gate these big mythicalshoes, um, and then of course,
the death of the father, whichis the rejection of the father
in this film.
Uh, spike's father doesn't diebut he catches him uh, going off
to have an affair with anothermember of the community and that

(44:25):
kills spike's uh admiration ofhis father, which he deeply
admired his father before thatevent.
But like all that kind of builtup and realizing, like his
father probably has lied a lotover the years about his
experiences, going crossing tothe mainland um, and wonders you
know how long has his fatherbeen having this affair while

(44:46):
his mom's sick, and so thefather figure dies.
And we even see spike at onepoint draw a knife on his dad
and threaten him and his fatherquickly, easily and without any
violence disarms him.
But it's enough metaphoricalthat like, oh, I've been severed
and my son has killed the imageof me in his mind and his heart

(45:10):
and is kicking me out of thehouse Like I'm dead to them now.
And I thought that was a verygood tight.
I felt tight.
To me it didn't feel likethere's really any wasted time
in that first act right Of ofkilling the father of the hero's
journey and interesting littlething I saw on there.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
At one point he did the father did lose self-control
and backhand his son.
He did when he brought up the um, the the affair to him.
But then he did like hesnatched the hand out of his
son's hand and for about a tenthof a second his hand shook and

(45:51):
then he closed the knife andgave it back to him.
Yeah, like he did, because Ithink the part of it too was
like, not a, and I don't thinkthey ever portrayed Jimmy as an
evil man or a bad man just aslike a Jimmy, uh, not Jimmy,
sorry.
Uh, uh the dad, what's thedad's name?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I think he's Jamie.
His name is Jamie.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Sorry, the dad, jamie , you're right, they don't ever
portray the dad as um bad orevil, just man.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
yeah, you know, like, like and so like he's probably
honestly, anyone would probablysay he's a good man, right self
sacrifices for the community andI think I even saw like, but
he's flawed, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I saw myself in some of those things of like, just
like, I like when you do losecontrol, but then also there's
times when you like you do rainit or just, but like the
struggle, the internal strugglein a man, you know too.
And so, like we saw in thosetwo instances, he slapped his
son and then a few minutes laterhe like, obviously he's not
gonna, well, not, maybe notobviously kill his son, but like
and then also gave it back tohim, gave the knife back to him,

(46:48):
so he also restored somethingthere, but then but it also the
harm and hurt to therelationship was done at that
point yep, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
um, something crazy, cool, like interesting, happens
too.
They find an infected strung uphere with letters carved on the
infected and you can't reallytell what they are right when
you see it, because the infectedis upside down and the initials
are carved into it and it'skind of hard to tell Because
it's going vertical.
If they're initials of lettersor if they're symbolic like

(47:20):
weird kind of like pagan symbols, um, but they'll come back in
later.
Uh, all right.
Next one is becoming a mannurture a mother, uh, which is
again often we see in movieswhere, like, the mother becomes
ill, the mother becomesincapable of self-care, and the
hero must now become thenurturer, become the guardian

(47:44):
that their mother once was tothem.
And Spike goes off on thisjourney after removing his
father, telling his father toleave him and his mother alone.
He sneaks out with his mom fromthe community, fully knowing no
one's coming to rescue themonce they find out they've left,
knowing no one's coming torescue them once they find out
they've left, and, uh, he'ssearching for this enigmatic

(48:06):
kind of, uh, myth of a doctor, adoctor that has survived in the
post-apocalypse and has evenbeen rumored to be like actually
a madman a madman like perhapsperhaps another villain right,
yeah, maybe you shouldn't go seehim yeah, and but like the, the
possibility that a doctor couldcure uh, his mom's ailment is
too great to like not you knowset out to do.

(48:27):
And it's interesting because herealized spike has only lived in
a world where there are nodoctors.
And this is again kind of likethat medieval fantasy thing is
like spike doesn't reallycomprehend what doctors can do.
Just like you think aboutarthur.
Arthur hears about like in theking arthur story.
He hears about wizards but hehas really no comprehension of

(48:47):
like what merlin could do.
Like what powers does merlintruly have?
it's all rumor, right, andthere's almost no other wizards
and he just knows, doctors makepeople not sick exactly, or they
can't right, um, and so he setsout on this journey to find the
wizard, the wise man in thewoods, um, and he leads his mom

(49:10):
and he finds, like you know, hehas to become his mother's
guardian because she's mentallyunwell and can't keep track of
what of events and she's kind ofhaving events and memories in
real time where she's thinksshe's a younger girl and that
spike is her dad.
Um, and he realized what is whatit's like to be alone, I think,
and when you're a guardian andcaretaker, you don't, like you

(49:35):
could be alone, like and I I'mnot a parent, but I've heard
this from parents is like, yeah,you have your kid, but
sometimes, when you're the onlyperson looking out for your kid,
in this scenario it can belonely, and because you're like
your kid is not a, they're notan adult, they're not a person
really, yeah, like they're,they're still becoming a person.
Um, and I think he sees thatwith his mom, is that like

(49:58):
there's a moment of, there'stimes of loneliness while
looking after her, because she'snot a true companion, because
she requires his nurture andcare, we see him fail and fall
short, especially like when hismom has to save his life in the
middle of the night and he's notaware of it.
Even he tries to do the big boytask of keeping watch keeping
watch and falls asleep and hismom literally saves him inches

(50:19):
from being eaten.
And then, uh, we see him.
They'll experience what itmeans to defend and protect.
He's willing to get shot andkilled in order to protect his
mom.
Um, and also like infectedright, he's several times almost
killed because he's trying tosave his mom, whereas if he left

(50:40):
her he would have been anon-issue Right.
And then, lastly, he also quoteunquote kills his mother, and
usually we don't see the killingof the mother really in the
hero's journey.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
It's more of this shape of to let go to mourn, and
or like you leave, you get offthe nipple, you cleave, right
yeah and he, he does let go.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
He.
He's informed by the wizard,the wise man, after they find
him, that there is actually nocure for his mother's illness.
Unfortunately, like he, the.
But the journey has occurredand unfortunately, the reward is
not your mother being healed.
And he has to say goodbye tohis mom and he also has to mourn
her very, almostunrealistically quickly.

(51:24):
It's wild, but he has to mournher and accept.
This is part of moving on inthis world, and I get to say
goodbye to her and she gets tohave a peaceful death, and this
is the best we could hope for inthis world, but it is, without
a doubt, the death of the mother, just like the death of the

(51:44):
father.
Um, and honestly, on that onenote right there, that was the
most horrific thing to me in thewhole movie.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Uh, hands down, hands down.
Most horrific thing.
Second, I was going to back upa hair sure to the second most
horrific thing in the moviebecause it, just because it
plays into this piece of the mom, when we find a gnarly pregnant
infected oh yeah, you knowpushing, pushing a baby out on

(52:13):
the train, yeah, and this scenewhere you know the, the mother
comes up and she, she takes thehands of the infected.
An unthinkable act, yeah, trulyunthinkable, like she.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
She puts her hands up and the infected takes her hand
.
Yeah, like the infected somehowprocesses in this moment I need
someone to hold on to.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah and uh, um, and you know, and then this baby
comes out.
It's wild.
I was waiting for the baby tobite the mom.
Because this whole movie I willsay because I went into it
expecting a horror movie You'rewaiting for the baby.
The scariest thing the wholemovie was all the things I
expected to happen that weren'thappening, like all of a sudden,
that baby to be getter orwhatever.

(52:55):
And at any moment in a horrormovie main character can just
bite the dust At Dawn of theDead.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
We were all preconditioned.
If you're pregnant in theapocalypse, you're zombies.
I mean, your baby's gonna be azombie, yeah yeah, exactly just
like.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
So, um, and really that didn't happen throughout
the movie where like no, youknow there was some side
characters died, but there wasnever like that, like all of a
sudden, out of nowhere, boom,main characters hit.
It would be a standard zombiemovie, things like that.
The fact that they never didthat kept me on the edge the
whole time.
But the and this goes back tothe way the father treated the

(53:33):
infected of like just kill themLike, and it's good if you do,
and you have to and you must noremorseorse, no mercy.
Then to the, the mother's sideof things, where she actually
like something in her, you know,drew her to like helping this
other woman, well, have her baby.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
She like echolocation in on this pregnant, infected,
like she hears the wailing of itand it's like in her mind, at
her core, like a woman, she'slike oh, that's a woman giving
birth, which I were.
I really wish there was apregnant woman with us there in
the movie theater to let us knowof like.

(54:15):
Do you think you can tell thedifference between like a woman,
like, ah help me, I'm.
I'm being eaten and and I'mgiving birth?
I do wonder if there's a weirdcore primal difference between
the two.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Maybe they could, but I'd say that in most cases it
sounds about the same.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
To us right, but we don't give birth, right.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
But just the fact that both things inflict the
same utterance out of you rightand um you know, and then we
have big old samson, samson'ssamson and his baby.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, samson, baby arm of a cock.
Good lord.
I remember seeing that thingswinging around and and I had
heard, I had heard like thealpha zombie has a big wing and
I was like that's funny.
And then like he jumps throughdown through this hole in this
train.
Yeah, and the train's notmoving right.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
It's a crash train.
He jumps in dick first and thenhis feet come through,
basically.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, he repels off his cock into the train.
No, but honestly, think of apig leg.
Think of a full-grown pig andits leg that's attached to his
pelvis.
Just smacking around, andSamson's go-to move is ripping
people's heads off predatorstyle.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Spine and all.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, head and spine coming out of the body.
I don't get why?
He didn't just start smackingpeople with that thing.
He could have just beenbraining people left and right
with it like a bat.
Anyways, giant penis insane nota real penis, it turns out
total prosthetic but which makesme I was like, interesting
design choice, I guess, like,but um, oh.

(56:03):
So what part of that?
Though?
You say that was the secondmost horrific thing to the mom's
death.
What was the most horrific partof that?
Like seeing the baby?

Speaker 1 (56:09):
born just watching, watching that uh infected lady
give birth?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
yeah, they totally show it.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, I mean it.
I'll say like, if that's whatit looks like, damn I mean
that's like fucking crazy.
I mean, that's what it lookslike.
It's just like oh, they're like, and so I mean they.
It was just that, plus the factof how scared I was during it,
just like what is happening.
This is so I.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I was with the soldier on that one yeah, I
would have walked in and justwell, the soldier says put this
fucking zombie baby down, so Icould shoot it or I'm gonna
shoot you, and I think it's theonly time the word zombie gets
used, but it is good because Ipersonally would.
I would kill both of them I seeyou know, all of a sudden I just
disagree with you on that one.
I really because I get.
I get what you're saying and Ialso think that would have been

(56:54):
the right call in the moment,based on the knowledge he had.
You're right, but I also thinkthe knowledge that the survivors
have on the island of like well, these aren't just zombies,
like they are animalistic andit's kind of like I don't think
I would kill a wolf in themiddle of giving birth.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Right, but if my mom like walked up to it, I'm going
to kill that thing, bro.
Yeah, I know, I get what you'resaying.
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
But it was a very human moment and it was a huge
moment for the hero's journey,where I think, without that, if
spike had gone to the doctor andthe doctor's, like the infected
, are also humans.
They have eyes that have cried,uh-huh, mouths that have spoken
I'd be like, no, they have it.
Yeah, they're eaters.
They eat people, but afterseeing them give birth and give
birth to a non-infected baby.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
That's the biggest thing being they give birth to a
baby that's not infected Ahuman.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Protected by the miracle of the placenta.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
As Dr Klein says, or Kelson Dr Kelson, but yeah, so
that was kind of horrific justin the tension.
But, dude, tell us why it wasso horrific.
The mom's death.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Why is that the most horrific part of the movie?
We got some foreshadowing wherewe watch this doctor they bring
.
This doctor finds them andsaves them from old Samson.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Played by Ralph Fiennes.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, and he drugs him.
He doesn't kill Samson, hedrugs, samson drugs.
Samson takes the head of thesoldier that's now been ripped
out who was helping the mom andson, and they go and then they
throw the skull in anincinerator, burn off what they
can a steamer, not even anincinerator, because an
incinerator actually would havecooked it off.

(58:42):
So they steam the skull, thenthey're washing it off.
So they steam the skull, thenthey're washing it off.
I mean that looked like what itlooks like when you clean an
animal's skull.
They're flicking off pieces offlesh and hair and stuff.
He gets his skull all cleanBecause now they're in this
skull tower, bone forest thatthe Doctor has created as a

(59:04):
memorial to death.
And so then, you know, spikegoes and Sane, memento mori,
yeah, and he takes the Spike,finds a place for the soldier's
head and puts him in the pyramid.
And then so now we've seen thathappen, we know what the doctor
does with dead people.
And last we see the doctor iswalking off with the mom who has
accepted death Cut to him,handing the kid a freshly

(59:29):
cleaned skull.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, like he walks her off and gives a little blow
dart.
Not sure how much time passes,because it's like clear that
spike is underneath some insanelsd tripping stuff it comes.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, they morphined him and like I guess yeah, yeah,
he's hallucinating the starsand stuff things coming around
him.
But then I mean, it's just acouple hours.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
The film jumps quickly.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
It's seconds yeah I'd say, you know, it could have
been maybe three, four hours themiddle of the night, but then
morning's coming yeah and hewalks up and hands the kid a
skull.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Mom's skull.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, that was wild, and I was like I was wondering
then for you, like you're veryclose to your mom, very close,
so I was wondering, throughoutthis movie, the pieces of much

(01:00:27):
behaviorally just like the momin this film Because it turns
out mom had brain cancer.
It was incurable.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Turned out she had brain cancer and was probably
going to die in a couple of daysfrom it.
But yeah, when my mom had herTBI which also my mom had breast
cancer when I was really youngand so, like at sixth grade, I
was like cooking food for my momand taking care of her while
she was like recovering fromchemo and stuff, so I had that
like hero's journey arc, rightOf nurturing the nurturer pretty

(01:00:57):
early on.
Um, and then when she had thatTBI and I was in college, I had
like a real big like gosh, likequote, unquote, like at least
for over a year, and evennowadays I describe it as like
my mom died, like my mom got inthis car accident and the person
that was on the other side ofit was not at all my mother,

(01:01:18):
like totally different humanbeing in regards to like how
they were processing emotionsand stuff.
Um and uh, there was just likethat aspect of um, okay, I I
need, I can, I can mourn my momfor who she was, but I also need
to be grateful for like whothis is right now and I I need,

(01:01:41):
I'm like called to care or lovelike who this person is right
now, cause they're still with me, even though, like I accept
this isn't my mom and my mom has, like, really healed through
that.
But like to this day, I stillsay my mom is a different person
.
Like, my mom used to be muchmore quick to anger, um and like
she had like a temper and ifyou insulted her she would be

(01:02:04):
much quicker to like, get mad at, like mad and defensive.
Now, though, she's in a likeher um response to that items
and she lists as a podcast.
So I'm curious to hear herperspective on this.
But, like, if you, if I was toinsult her with the same thing I
said in high school that madeher angry.
Now I think that would make hercry.

(01:02:25):
And it's like the, the angerpathway almost got completely
erased when she had the tbi andit's like the way the brain is
healed and reprocessed and learnhow to handle those emotions is
like sadness and um, it was, itwas just, it was just very
interesting.
But like I see that a lot andlike this movie where, like,

(01:02:48):
clearly, ma used to be someoneelse and uh, spike talks about
that, he's like she wasn'talways this way, she was very
different.
It was only a few years ago shestarted becoming this way and
getting confused and havingthese episodes, and even the way
the mom describes it of likehow there's a part of me that
knows I'm confused and knowsthis episodes and even the way
the mom describes it of like howthere's a part of me that knows
I'm confused and knows thisisn't the right way of thinking

(01:03:09):
or that this is the wrong memory.
And my mom would say that stufftoo.
When she had her tbi reallyearly on where, like she was,
she heard with her tbi shecouldn't even listen to music
like the radio and stuff,because the frequencies would
just give her like justblood-banging headaches.
So we would like I bought herheadphones one like uh, when she

(01:03:29):
was in her tbi very expensiveheadphones to like block out
certain sounds at frequencies soshe could, like, maintain
herself throughout the day.
Um, all I said it was it wasreally relatable to me to see
that journey, um, and honestlylike it.
The reason I say the mosthorrific thing is because, like,
I saw that and I was like Iwould not be okay.

(01:03:51):
I would not be okay, yeah, likeif I had, if I was told your
mom's gonna die, the best thingthat can we could do for her is
kill her right now in a peacefulway.
Oh, yeah, and I'm gonna comeback with her skull and you got
to put her skull on a pile ofbones.
I was telling Billy Jean this.
I was like that was the mosthorrific thing to me because I
cannot mentally think about howI'd be okay doing that.

(01:04:13):
I would have an insane meltdown.
Um, and that was, I guess thebest part of the horror movie,
right, is like I was like Iguess the best part of the
horror movie, right, I was like,yeah, that's horrific, but
that's not what I go into thismovie thinking the horror is
going to be, and when yourealize that the true horror of
this movie is the reality oflife, the reality of your

(01:04:33):
parents dying, the reality ofyour father no longer being your
hero and your mom you're havingto bury.
Your mother Did a good job atthat, I guess I can deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
maybe a guy with a chainsaw hacks up a bunch of
teenagers.
Now it's like, hey, this isactually real life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Hey, okay, I thought I was watching a zombie movie.
This is just a Hallmark classic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So all that said, I thought that was, and it seems
like you agreed too, I guess,like I don't know, do you feel
like that was the most horrifickind of?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
it was that there was no blood, there was no guts,
there was no screaming, just theconcept.
It was just what they did, youknow, with the storytelling,
because before there'd beenplenty of that, but that was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
That was the most horrific part of the movie, for
sure yeah, um, lastly, you knowthe wizard, the sage new father
figure, right, which is alwaysin the hero's journey.
You kill the father, you go outon the journey, you find the
wizard.
The wizard is a surrogatefather.
Um, we see that with ralphfiends is, uh, dr kelson, he

(01:05:39):
shares this new wisdom, right,he's like oh, these pile of
bones, these giant statues ofbones are not meant to
intimidate or cause fear.
They're memorials, because,memento mori, remember you will
die and you must die.
Remember you, you have to die.

(01:05:59):
There's no choice about it.
And this is just to echo likeboth infected and non-infected
die, and at the end of it, theirbones look the same,
indistinguishable.
Um, and he also, though,imparts the other one, you know
this like warm, empathetic thing, and he's like you know, and he
says this when he has to saygoodbye to his mother says but
memento amoris, is it amoris oramoris?

(01:06:22):
it's latin not roman which Iknow a lot of people like oh no,
it's Amora, but it's not, it'sthe Latin version of love.
But you know, remember love.
Remember you must also love, um, and you know, these are, these
are very like non-traditional.
Uh well, I guess he, heincorporates both the father's

(01:06:44):
coldness remember death with themother's warmth remember love
and he's this perfect balancebetween the two right of like.
These are both parts of life.
To be the hero, you mustappreciate both um and uh.
We also see like this charactergives uh spike the opportunity
to succeed because Spike saveshim from Samson.

(01:07:07):
Spike isn't simply justsurviving, but Spike saves the
doctor from being murdered bySamson without killing Samson,
which is, I think, supposed tobe.
You know, a metaphor for likeconquering the monster in the
woods, right, like realizinglike, oh, maybe I don't have to
kill the dragon, maybe I justneed to understand the dragon

(01:07:29):
and understand that the dragonis just protecting its woods,
protecting its pregnant dragonwives, and I don't have to kill
it, and I can deal with it in away that appreciates it, without
getting murdered.
It is a beast, it is a wildanimal, but it's not evil and
soulless.
Um, which goes into like theother part.

(01:07:52):
I have here just the monster inthe woods, which is the
infected, and the infectedreally do to me like you could
replace infected if this was anarthurian tale or a shakespeare
tale.
This is just the trolls, thegoblins in the woods, it's the
orcs and other things.
And you realize like, you'relike oh, they're not like
soulless, they're just, they'rebeasts, just like anything else,

(01:08:12):
they just are.
Also, they look like people andyou know, he goes through the
journey of like oh, I'm veryafraid because I've never seen
one, never encountered one, andnow I have to encounter one To
like okay, now I'm aware of them, I'm learning of them, I know
what to look out for, toconquering them, killing them,
outpacing them, surviving themand then, like at the end, to

(01:08:34):
respecting them.
And I think what we see by theend of the film, in the final
like scene, is him, like he hasno fear of them, he's aware of
them, he sees them, he's likeaware, while he's cooking his
fish, he's like all right, I'mgonna have to deal with this one
, probably gonna have to kill it, and there might be a couple
others I have to kill.
But even then, when there'smore of them showing up than he

(01:08:54):
can handle, he starts running.
It doesn't come off as likerunning for fear, just like
tactical retreat tacticalretreat I to give this up, but
like an appreciation of likethis is what I'm dealing with
which leads to the final thingJimmy, jimmy returns and I think
Jimmy's a monster, I thinkJimmy is a villain and I think

(01:09:17):
that's the final thing is likethe monsters aren't in the woods
.
The monsters are the otherpeople.
Things live in the woods, butthey can be dealt with, they can
be understood, but you can'tunderstand some people.
Some people are monsters andthey are beyond understanding.
And when Jimmy appears, theflipping whiplash, the whole
tonal whiplash of the film isunreal and it was the thing I

(01:09:41):
hated the most is unreal and itwas the thing I hated the most.
I also understand kind of whythey went that direction,
because jimmy shows up king ofhis own crew who have to all
dress like him in this.
I found out they're, you know,they're dressing after that.
Uh, one celebrity, it's alsonamed jimmy yeah it's like that
famous english celebrity you himup, pat, because you got a

(01:10:03):
computer my computer I left athome.
But they're dressed as acelebrity with like track suits
and cricket bats and they'redoing front flips off of this,
you know, short cliff edge ontothe road where they are just not
just killing the infected butthey're harassing the infected,
they're taunting and playingwith them and torturing them in

(01:10:26):
a very maniacal way, and spikeseems to like be in awe because
he's like oh my gosh, like theseare like super humans the way
they're flipping around andthey're dressed in these track
suits that kind of look likepower r suits, like the my
Action figure.
Also, though this is excessive,they could just kill them

(01:10:48):
instead of making a game out ofthem.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
They're playing with them.
Yeah, hanging them up.
Who can kill them?
The coolest, most wildest way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
His name was Jimmy Savile.
Jimmy Savile, yeah, and he wasfamous, he was knighted.
But he has also had bigaccusations of sexual abuse of
children.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yeah, he apparently was like one of the biggest
predators of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yeah, he was probably kind of in that, potentially in
that Epstein league, or atleast knew the guy.
But this whole scene, you know,really that scene was akin to
post-credits Marvel scene.
Yeah, it was, that's reallywhat that was and that maybe
would have played out a littlebetter If it was post-credits.
If it was post-credits they diddo one thing to break it up and

(01:11:37):
maybe they thought it wouldhave broken it up more.
Remember it said 28 days lateryeah, so the movie ended, more
or less the movie.
Remember it said 28 days later.
Yeah, so the movie ended, moreor less the movie ended.
And it said 28 days later.
And then it showed this scenesomething a little, but but it
still felt like the movie hadn'tended.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
And the way it's, in the same way that a Marvel movie
which is now, if they'd done itthis way it's been so it's been
done 48 million times.
Yeah, where you know you set upmaybe something to come or you
know, tell more of the story, um, but yeah, and so the it.
There was whiplash.
It was totally outside of theof the this film the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
The cool thing I get about it now, though, is like
this is definitely a britishcultural thing.
Like, yeah, um, like jimmyseville was revealed as a
predator sometime in like theearly 2000s, which no one in
this world of this film wouldhave learned because the world

(01:12:34):
ended in 2002.
So all these kids who weregrowing up and the world ended
in 2002, for them jimmy sevillewas like still a culture.
Jimmy seville to them was likeis like what robert downey jr is
to a bunch of kids today, orlike you know, I don't know, mr

(01:13:10):
beast right.
And so the young kid we saw inthe beginning of the film
running from the zombies on theday of the apocalypse he is
dressed like Jimmy Seville andall of his other Jimmys in his
gang are dressed like JimmySeville.
Because Jimmy Seville was acultural icon they can recall
from their childhood, and theyprobably saw a ton of magazines
of them still across England,and they probably found tapes of

(01:13:32):
him and radio broadcasts,whatever.
And so he's he was neverrevealed to be a pedophile, so
they never saw him as a villain,just as a hero.
And so it makes sense that,like they maintained this hero
image of him, and like that'sthe iconography they follow in
their post-apocalyptic gang,which I think like a similar one

(01:13:55):
today honestly would be like ifthe world ended to, not today
maybe, um, I'm gonna say fiveyears ago, at the peak of the
rock rock celebrity thing, whenhe was in everything and it
wasn't like burned out yet, andthen like, let's say, we found
out that the rock was apedophile.

(01:14:16):
Later on, or something likethat ended though, and no one
ever found out about it, and allthis post-apocalypse media
remained of just like what theycould find in magazines and, you
know, on old videos and vhsstuff.
Man, they would find, like therock in like fast five,
insulting tyrese gibson andfunny, and he's jacked as hell

(01:14:37):
and he's also in moana, andthey'd be like oh yeah, let's
make a gang after the rock andlet's all wear let's all wear
turtleneck sweaters and jeansand fanny packs while we kill
zombies.
And so it's like I get thaticonography and I think it's
kind of cool.
It seems very aware, and we alsosee that Jimmy is, throughout

(01:14:57):
the film, kind of graffitiedover stuff that we don't really
like.
You kind of notice, you're like, well, that's obvious, it's
there, but like what's the pointof it?
And then it now kind of comeshome.
Right is like there's the, theruins or pagan things carved
into that body.
In the beginning, that uh spikefinds on the infected hanging
is actually jimmy, just upsidedown.

(01:15:19):
Uh, they carved jimmy into thezombie and then we see jimmy
scratch into walls, uh, next tolike bible verses, um,
revelation kind of stuff.
And so it's clear that like,the jimmy gang is here on the
mainland and they, they leavecall signs to themselves all
around.
I don't know if you had anyother final thoughts about that

(01:15:41):
final scene or like, becauseeveryone has said like the
second movie is supposed to befollowing Jimmy's game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Yeah, and I think that the it brings the movie
full circle, where the kid wesaw running off with the cross
was not the protagonist, Right,Because we get into one of the
stories and it circles all theway back to him showing up and
at this point now Jimmy's gotthe same cross still.
Now he's got it upside down.
Yeah, you know, which I thinkreally is a.

(01:16:10):
I think it's could be a lot ofdifferent, mean a lot of
different things, but I do thinkit is also a rejection of like
his father's faith or whateverRejection of killing his own
father rejection of his own.
Yeah, that stuff, yeah and uhand a and evil sign, like and it
upside down cross means a lotof different things.
It's not always evil, but Ithink in this case it is like
also, uh, it is like symbolic ofa evil person.

(01:16:34):
Evil, you know, and um, and sothe I think that the next movie
will just be very different.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
I'm excited to see it , which I know may sound strange
because of how betrayed I feltby this one going into it.
But now having this expectationkind of adjusted and knowing
more about how Jim from thefirst movie is supposed to
return in the fourth one.
And we have this Jimim who youknow was a good figure in that

(01:17:08):
movie and he was a hero figureand he'll be returning, and we
have jimmy who's definitelyappearing to be a villain.
I'm excited to kind of see,like if they can pull it off
tastefully and without it beingcringy the the duality of these
two heroes and it's kind of likethe Jesus-Satan duality of

(01:17:28):
Lucifer, who became Satan, wasthe most beautiful angel and was
cast out for essentiallybetraying God.
And then you have Christ, whois the perfect image of God in
man's form, and there is thatduality between the two and I do
expect to see something similarto that.

(01:17:49):
I don't know how they're goingto do it without making Jim a
Messiah figure.
I don't think he was.
He wasn't a messianic figure inthe first film.
He was just a hero.
And they also need to do thatwhile making sure Spike
progresses his hero journey,because Spike is still supposed
to be the main character of thenext movies.
So we'll see what goes on.
I don't know how they're goingto do it.

(01:18:10):
It'd be cool to see if theypull it off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Well, Yep, yep.
And is the next one supposed tocome out kind of soon, yeah,
like 2026.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Yeah, like they're apparently already almost done.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, it's already getting after it, so it should
come out soon and we'll see whatit does, and I think it'll be a
lot different Differentdirector, different writer.
I think too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
The director I'm worried about.
She has only made flops Likefranchise-killing flops.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
She's a woke director .

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, like Marvel stuff.
That sucked really bad yeah.
I think actually she was thedirector for the movie the
Marvels, which do you know whatthat was?
I did not like it.
Oh, you saw it?
Uh-huh, okay, I haven't seen it.
I don't know.
Many people even know what itwas.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Well, maybe she's going to decide to quit
interjecting her own stuff andquit sucking, sure, and, like
you, should actually addresspolitics, but just don't throat
cram it.
Yeah, I agree.
Keep it like there's timelesspolitical commentary Timeless.

(01:19:19):
Go back to any point in allhistory, commentate on it and go
with human condition stuffversus just a hot topic of today
and just getting it in there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
The best political commentary in movies is not the
director's politics, it's theaudience's.
When the director knows, hey,these are the political beliefs
of my audience, I'm going tobring those in so they can
experience them and see themdynamically, those are usually
the best political commentary.
Horror or action films,whatever Right.

(01:19:52):
But when the director is likethis is my political opinion and
it's going to be shoehorned inall the way, they don't realize
that that is not the majority oreven a large minority of the
people who are going to view thefilm.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Or even like if someone completely pandered to
my own political beliefs, itwouldn't get to me.
Hey how many.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Christian movies are good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
No, I'm kidding, but then like it, just like, or
either way it's like, if you'renarrowing down to such a narrow
thing as a current two-partysystem in a country that's been
around for 200 years, like justback out a little to like in
general, what's it been like fora long time, and that's why you
know kind of like, I don't know.
There's countless examples ofgood, good movies that do talk

(01:20:33):
about relationships betweengovernment and people or
people's roles and whatever.
Yeah, but we'll see what theydo with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
We'll see what they do but anyways, uh, trivia goofs
regarding those, we've prettymuch hit everything here that we
kind of had notes on alreadythroughout talking about the
film.
So, um, I think, pat, it's timefor just final ratings, yeah,
our thumbs and any kind ofclosing thoughts or opinions.
Um, I'm gonna let you go firstbecause I don't want my opinion

(01:21:04):
to try to like sway your forsure.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
I think that I think it was a good movie, well done
movie.
I think some of the it probablyin some ways needed like
another 30 minutes to kind ofwrap up some storylines or kind
of let the end of the moviedevelop in some ways.
But the or kind of let the endof the movie develop in some

(01:21:27):
ways, but having not seen theother ones, I think it does
stand alone and it is helpful tohave the other context to build
off of and at the same time,really the hero's tale journey
story.
They told this, really thehero's tale journey story.

(01:21:51):
They told um, while it wasthere was some of like the
because they had to stick tolike the quote-unquote franchise
they sort of have like some ofthese like gruesome horror
elements that maybe almost couldretract from a larger audience.
It was a story that could betold more broadly and a lot of

(01:22:13):
people aren't going to go seethis because they're like I
don't watch those movies.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Oh, I don't watch horrors.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I don't watch that stuff right, but it could appeal
to a lot of audiences.
But at the same time, I thinkin some ways it's like I went to
an Asian-Mexican fusionrestaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Oh yeah.
So it's like what was that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
The tamales were good and I had a good crab wonton.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Together they're not great, they're not gestating.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
The General Tao enchiladas.
I don't know what that's aboutto do to my butthole.
So it kind of like it felt inthat sense right and so to like
where you spoke, to feeling rugpulled or things like that, like
I feel kind of like what wasthe movie and I guess movie
doesn't have to just fall into agenre but per se but at the

(01:23:05):
same time I'm getting a littlebit X a Mexican Asian fusion
going on as far as like, yeah,what, what happened in that
movie?

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Yeah, I can totally see that too.
Um, but what do you give it, Ithink, at the end of the day?

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I think I'm kind of like a no thumb, okay, end of
the day.
I think I'm kind of like a nothumb, okay, it's a uh, if you,
if you're, if you're, 28 daysfan, obviously you got to see it
, if you're a big time 28 daysfan, you're probably gonna hate
it yeah um, if you're not a 28days fan, you don't like those
type of movies, but you canstill deal with violence.

(01:23:41):
Might be worth a saturday night.
Um, but like, well, I, I won'twatch it again.
I'm not, I'm not gonna tell mywife to watch it.
Yeah, um and um, so it's just II don't think it was a big
stinker like, or a bad movieyeah I just think it was, um,

(01:24:02):
maybe it, it.
It just was a little bit weirdin that sense yeah, no, I get
you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
I think that's totally fair.
Um, I think the part that was,I think the worst parts of the
movie were the decision in itssoundtracks I think the
soundtracks used often swungbetween, like uh, ambient,
avant-garde and then Britishpunk rock that fell out of place

(01:24:31):
, uh-huh, um, and I think that,like even for scenes that
weren't like supposed to bepunky, I think like in the
beginning when we're getting themontage of what this island
life is and how it's likemedieval it was a british like
punk rock weird song.
Uh-huh, I was like this doesn'tfit to me and it doesn't feel

(01:24:52):
like.
It feels like they're almostthey were almost trying to make
us feel like, yeah, this isspike's first day of high school
and I'm like that's not what Ifeel, like I should be framing
this as this is like a rite ofpassage, hero's journey kind of
thing, right.
So I really hated the music.
I hated the music an insaneamount and I never even got the

(01:25:13):
28 Days Later song, whicheveryone knows it, even if you
don't know what it is Like.
When I say that, when you hearthe 28 Days Later theme song, I
can't remember who the originalmusician was that made it, but
like it is one of the mostfamous horror songs of all time.

(01:25:35):
It's been used in like comedystuff because of how like well
known it is and like it's kindof causing that vibe of like the
zombie apocalypse and theydidn't use it once in the film,
which made me feel very jerkedaround.
I was pretty pissed.
So and I I do think it is adecent heroes story, a decent

(01:25:56):
coming of age heroes journey.
I think it is a terrible zombiefilm.
I think it is a absolutelyatrocious, terrible, 28 Days
Later genre film.
The first two, for sure, wereway more aligned than this one
is with either of those, andeven though I appreciate it for

(01:26:21):
what it ended up being, tell mehow you feel about this Pat.
Even though I appreciate it forwhat it ended up being, tell me
how you feel about this, pat.
I think this movie is more funto talk about than it is to
watch.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Right.
Do you feel like that's fair?
It brings up a lot of bigtopics.
There's a lot of big things youcan talk about it with, but
then even going to like itdidn't stick to a certain theme
throughout either, where theydid have those scenes of uh, it
was very similar to the thatthat trailer first trailer that
came out that got tons of playtime in the first couple hours,

(01:26:49):
the boots marching, and it feelslike that shouldn't have even
been in the movie that shouldnot have been a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
That trailer tell me that trailer was.
It had anything to do with themovie?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
right it.
Just it got you amped for it,right yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
but it had.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
It had no relation to the film, but that like where
they're, they're, I don't knowthe artistic decision to cut in
the scenes from the past of uhit's, it's showing like old
movies of like arrows flying andstuff it was like yeah, men go
marching into war the warmachine keeps on turning and the
and the, the arrows flying and,but it was scenes from old

(01:27:24):
movies and stuff, which was fine, but that to me at the
beginning felt like we weresetting up, for it was all set
up for a horror movie.
The beginning, the first 20minutes, set us up for a horror
movie that never came.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Yeah, I you know what I really thought that trailer
was telling us.
I thought it was saying, yep,there is going to be, like, due
to the pride and arrogance ofman, there is going to be this
uh, you know, great, uh,manifest destiny of like, it's

(01:27:56):
our destiny to take back england, and it's going to be from two
perspectives it's going to bethe perspective of the people
living this medieval society andthere to be the perspective of
the people living in thismedieval society.
And the world and the world withthe military units and we
really didn't get.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
this wasn't a worldwide movie.
The first two I'm sure were.
They were Right.
They were worldwide eyes onversus.
We only briefly got the outsideworld's perspective from a
20-something-year-old soldier.
Yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
The world doesn't care about it anymore either way
.
They just patrol it likethere's no in the boots song
made me think like oh, so whatwe're gonna get is the like.
It's our destiny to do this andno matter how many people die,
that's worth.
Look that, that cost is worththe, the victory, the pride of
taking back england, taking backour home and going back to the
trailer, I thought I was goingto see bow and arrows shooting
at bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
You know like some medieval versus soldier stuff
right, just meaning, like,meaning like there's people,
like there's like the, the wild,the wildings now versus people
yeah or the cannibal people orjust the tribal people here,
versus like I thought it's goingto be.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I listened to that episode where we talked about
the trailer not too long ago.
I think that would have been abetter movie.
Yeah, because we were like yeah, it seems like you know that
there's going to be thiscannibal faction that uses the
infected to find other peopleand they eat the people, just
like the zombies do.
But yeah, I was like that wouldhave been scary yeah yeah, uh,

(01:29:22):
anyways, all right.
So, all that said, I feel cockteased.
Um, even even more now when Ifind out samson's penis isn't
real.
Um, which, honestly, we all arerelieved by.
Um, I give it a thumb down, man, yeah, like there are better
coming of age stories, there arebetter arthurian tales, there

(01:29:44):
are better Arthurian tales.
And even if it had, telegraphedhey, this is actually an
Arthurian tale wrapped up in thepost-apocalypse story.
I don't think it would havesucceeded in being like a thumb
up or there, Because it just itdidn't it hit all the right
beats, Just not good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
So I'm going to give it a thumb down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
I think that that's fair.
I'm both friends.
Yeah, I do enjoy talking aboutit.
I don't ever want to watch itagain, yeah, uh.
So all right, there we go, allright.
So from the mickey pat show,there's brews and reviews.
Uh, the beer gets no thumbs up,just a nice average c plus beer
.
Zombie ice by three floyds.
It will satisfy your ipadesires, but it's not gonna like

(01:30:28):
knock your socks off.
And then, uh, 28 years later,it tells an average coming of
age hero's journey.
It does not tell a good zombiestory, uh, and the most horrific
part of it is not the zombieseating people, it's the.
Oh, my god, I gotta take mymother's skull and put it on top
of another pile of skulls.

(01:30:49):
So take that with what you willLove to hear your feedback.
I'd love to know that we'rewrong.
Tell us why we're wrong.
If you can Leave your commentsor whatever, we'd love to hear
your thoughts on the film.
But thanks for listening,thanks for joining us.
Uh, pat, do you got anythingyou want to sign off with?

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
till next time.

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