Brews N' Reviews - Nosferatu, Chapel of Ghouls - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome.
Welcome to Brews and Reviewswith Mick and Pat.
I'm Mick and I'm Pat.
Each week we sit down with youdegenerates to pretend we're
certified Cicerones andCinephiles.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
That is right.
So grab a cold one and join usas we review True Brewing's
chapel of ghouls and the movienosferatu and if you've been
with us before, you know whattime it is.
Release the kraken that wassynced up right there for uh

(01:02):
beer on the computer for aweekly review.
That hasn't been done since, uh,maybe may of 2024, but that's
all right, because we, uh, whatdid we do in may?
Dune, I think.
Uh, maybe it was dune, or Ithink the last thing we might
have done was uh, wasn't uhfallout?
Was it might have been fallout?

(01:23):
Oh, I think fallout was thelast one, at least that's what.
Uh, yeah, I think fall was lastone.
But fallout review it may notbe each week that we sit down,
but we're getting back in thegroove, we're getting back in
the saddle.
Part of, uh, we'll see part ofmy new year's resolution.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I don't think we can say we're getting back in the
saddle until we've been back inthe saddle it's a slow side.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean we're getting in it.
We might get bucked off, mightget bucked off the saddle, but
we're at least, uh, at leastmaking the attempt.
Um, but we're here in themaking.
Pat shows worldwideheadquarters and we have one of
our favorite breweries beers.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, no it's great to uh one of our favorite
breweries beers.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's great touh get it going again.
I'm always gonna be down to doa bruising reviews, uh, but I'm
always doubly down if we'rereviewing something from true
brewing, because they just can'tfail, they can't, they can't
fail.
Um so, uh, but yeah, I'm prettystoked here.

(02:24):
Um pat, you know what?
Uh?
What's this?
Can bro?
What?
What is everything?
What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
well, as usual with the true brewing company.
We got a matte black can andwe've got, you know, some pretty
simple writing on here.
Just uh, the chapel of ghouls,hazy, ipa and the image on this
one.
We've got a, a castle on acliff, a gothic-y, craggy,

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steeply castle with like a bloodmoon or something behind it.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So it's red, lighten it up back there honestly looks
a lot like the castle.
I didn't know.
It's fraught to you know I mean, I was across that bridge and
stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, no yeah, yeah, it looks uh.
That's why uh might be, why wepicked it.
But the uh, let's see what typeof type of hops and things we
have in here.
We got some.
They like the troubadour truthsman.
They're always throwing that inon the malt I think it's
because they own it.
That must be, you know, I meangot the troubadour truth the

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antero the proximity munchin,munich 10.
I'm trying to read thissideways munchin, proximity,
munchin.
No, it's the proximity munich10, or is it 10?
Io, I, i-o, I don't know.
I think that's I-O.
For the hops I got Citra,mosaic, nelson Rewaka that's

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kind of an exciting word, rewaka, rewaka, that's weird.
So 6.5 on that alcohol in there.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's a hazy Indian pale ale which, I'll be honest,
first sips, you know, first sips.
I wouldn't think of this as apale ale, but maybe I'm just not
giving the skunkiness because Ihaven't done the swish test yet
.
That's true.
Do you recall the swish test,pat?

(04:21):
I do.
How could I forget?
For those of us who haven't donethe swish test, in a minute
I'll walk you through it.
But essentially, you're goingto take like a nice little
tablespoon amount of the beer inyour mouth and you're going to
start letting it go across fromthe tip of your tongue to the
back and then it's going toslide off the sides underneath

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the tongue.
You're going to swish it sideto side between the molars, then
you're going to put it all infront of your tongue and push
your tongue forward to reallypush that beer forward through
your front teeth.
That's just really going toaerate it and get all bubbly,
which allows you to taste allthose profiles.
And I'm going to do it now, pat.

(05:05):
That was a good swish test.
I heard that one in my ears.
Oh good, uh, pat, what'd youtaste?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
well, I'm actually another swish test, because I I
tasted me almost swallowing myzen during that swish arena okay
, which I know is I know mickhates it when I got the zen in
take this out so I'm gonna haveto take another one, because I
did.
I almost lost it during theswishing part of that swish test
, but I liked what I tasted.

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I tasted beer.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, I'll say that again.
It doesn't taste as hoppy,which I'm alright with because I
don't like super hoppy beer.
It's a very, very subtle paleale, indian pale ale flavor.
Um, I'm not sure I reallycomprehend the difference

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between hazy and unhazy.
Like what is a the differencebetween an ipa and a hazy?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
ipa?
Is it just the way it'sfiltered?
Like if we maybe we had pouredthis into the glass, would it be
a little more?
Oh yeah, it would be not asclear.
Yeah, but I think you know fromlooking at it, this looks kind
of I haven't poured it out itlooks like it might be kind of
pinky in there, a little orangey, pinkish, maybe it's orange.

(06:21):
I'm seeing down in there.
But once again with True, thething about the True beer is
like it's just good and whateverit is, whatever their base
flavor profile is, it's justsmooth, I think when it comes to
their IPAs, there's always thatvery consistent level of citrus

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, and it's always the same kindof level of citrus across all of
them.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
It doesn't feel overbearing, and so I think that
, plus, they've never overdoneany flavors.
None of the flavors have everbeen just obnoxious or excessive
and so like.
Even with their sours, likeI've heard some people complain

(07:15):
about their sours being too souror whatever, and I've I've yet
to have a sour by them.
That was like a really, reallypungent tart sour.
Everything I've had has beenpretty balanced.
So I think this is another onethat, in my opinion, like I went
in expecting, all right, itmight be super hoppy, might be
like you know more hoppy than Iwant it to be, and it wasn't

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it's.
it's very balanced and, like yousaid, it has that like
consistent, what we kind of cometo expect from them, like
leveled citrus flavor underneath.
So I don't, I mean, I I reallyenjoy, I think it tastes good, I
.
I would be interested, though,to like have a couple of their
ipas all at once together, right, and compared across, like

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because I know Tunnel of Trees,tunnel of Trees has a lot
stronger and like way lesscitrus taste, I think, but it's
got much more of a like dry,hoppy flavor.
So, anyways, I think it'spretty good.
I'm going to give it a couplemore swishes here, but I mean, I

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think I've already kind of madeup my mind.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, me too, and I think that the what they're
doing is I think they're justnot trying to do too much.
You know, like they just, andthat's why they, they're not,
yeah, they're not making thesesuper skunked out beers, um, and
they, uh, they, they're gettingtheir craft down.
They've got their thing goingon.

(08:45):
Um, yeah, the only differentdifference between a hazy ipa
and ipa is just the cloudyappearance and kind of can have
a like a more fruity or you knowpro like flavor or citrusy
flavor um a hazy one can shouldmake sense.
Makes sense.

(09:06):
A little more juicy in there,but I think, I think I'm ready
to rate it, you know, I meanyeah we when we, if you know,
usually we do a brewerybreakdown on on on these places,
but this is like the eighthbeer we've done from them or
something.
They're out of denver.
They've got a music city hotchicken in their tap room and so
you can go get some chicken,get some beer.
Or if you're in their tap room,so you can go get some chicken,
get some beer.
Or if you're in the northernColorado area and you go to a

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Music City Hot Chicken, you canget some beer from True in your
Music City.
That's been the newest,greatest addition to our—.
Yeah, right down the street fromus, right by our old
headquarters here.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, I think I'm just going to give it a good old
flat thumb up that's what I was.
That's what I was at, I think.
I think if it was colder itmight might edge it up to two.
Oh yeah, so that is one thing.
I think that maybe, like I'mtalking like right out of the
freezer, just frozen- beforeyeah or, like pour it, right
into a frozen glass, you knowjust because sometimes that can

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really bring out other flavors,sometimes IPAs, when they get
too warm, I feel like sometimesit's harder to get like all the
flavors and they can kind ofcome off creamy.
You know what I'm saying Doesthat make sense?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I think it tastes really good though.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah, because I'll say too, I'm giving it a one
thumb, but now that we've had somany of their beers, I'm kind
of giving it like a one thumb ofa true beer, you know, because
we've been floored by some oftheir others, yeah, so now
there's been a creeping scalehere on, like what we've come to
expect.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
We're comparing this to all the other beers.
I don't think there's a truebeer we've reviewed that didn't
get at least one thumb up.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right, I'd be tempted to give it two, just to give it
three thumbs.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
On the Mick and Pat collaborative scale.
You really do.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
No, I mean what I'm saying is because our scale I
reserve the two.
No, I know I.
I'm saying is because our scaleI reserve the two.
No, I know, I reserve the twobig time too.
What I'm saying is, when yougive the Mick and Pat scale,
it's out of four thumbs, yeah,yeah.
So it's hard for us to get tothree.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Three thumbs is more common that we have, it's
technically out of nine possibleratings Right, or ten possible
ratings, two of them overlap.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's hard to get a three-thumber because that means
one of us has to really love it, one of us thinks it's just
okay.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
There was a lot of kombuchas that got the
three-thumber Really, yeah, nota lot.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think there's two kombuchas that I gave two thumbs
up for kombucha stuff and yougave them one.
Maybe I can't remember Couldhave gone either way.
Uh, it was a dark time.
We hadn't had a beer for likemonths.
We were just eating, drinkingthe hard kombucha, but our, our
tummies were so bacteriallyhealthy my poops were great,
they were good um, I will saythe difference the morning after
between a kombucha and a and ain a.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
That's a little night and day right there.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh yeah, I never once felt gross after crushing like
six kombuchas.
I don't think there was a nighton here where I had six
kombuchas but, like you know, wewould have like two to three a
piece and I never once like feltlike that dry and thirstiness.
Never like woke up in themiddle of the night like, oh,
I'm so thirsty and I need to pee.
If I have three IPAs, I'm goingto wake up and be like, oh, my

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God, I'm so thirsty and I need apiece.
So bad.
Oh yeah, no for sure.
Um, all right, cool, hey,you're here at the make it past
show.
Uh, pat, for True Brewery'sChapel of Ghouls Hazy IPA.
It's available in like the bigdistributor stores in Colorado

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and along the front range herein the West, but you can also
get it online.
I've seen True Breweryavailable more and more online
as they've upped theirdistributions.
So if you're out of state andyou want to try some True, check
that internet.
You could probably get shippedto you.
I would honestly love for us toget a liquor license so we can

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mail stuff.
That'd be cool.
We could just mail it out topeople who want beer.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I wonder how hard an online like how it.
I wonder if there's likecertain loopholes to getting
liquor licenses where you couldget an easier one for being like
a shipper, distributor versus a, you know, the full board, full
blown, like you know.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So these things are like 50 grand oh really, yeah,
yeah, like, like for like arestaurant usually and stuff
like that maybe.
Maybe I'm way off, I might beway off it's crazy, makes you
wonder how drizzly went out ofbusiness.
If your model's just deliveringliquor, how can you go out of
business?
But I never actually useddrizzly to get liquor or beer,
you know.
I always used it just to seewhat was in stock at other

(13:56):
places okay, I'm way off here.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Cost to get a liquor license in this state can range
from 1500 to 5000 dollars.
Yeah, okay, okay, so I was.
Okay, so I was like.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I feel like it's 50 grand in places like New York or
Chicago where there's insanebureaucracy.
Um, anyways, all I said let'sget in the movie.
Uh, and so I'll dive in.
About a review for Nosferatu.
Sorry, not the review, but justthe synopsis for anyone who
hasn't seen it yet, but the oneliner on IMDB a gothic tale of

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obsession between a hauntedyoung woman and the terrifying
vampire infatuated with hercausing untold horror in its
wake, and I personally thinkthat, uh, the the real core of
this is in, like the modern daysetting, right, Like like cause,

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I think like there's like whatmovies and plays were telling
audiences at the time versuslike why would we want to be
told this now?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Why does?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
a director, want to tell a story now, Right, Right.
And I think the story now todayis like a more along the lines
of the classic like be you knowcareful what you open yourself
up to be careful what you let in, because it may come under the
guise of a companion, a lover,and then, you know, whatever it

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may come under the guise of goodtidings and ultimately be a
nefarious thing, whether youwant to look at it spiritually,
or you know people, you knowfriends, companions, whatever it
may be, but essentially,spoiler alert for anyone who
hasn't seen the movie.
Of course we're going to talkspoilers, right, we always do.
Uh, if you don't want it to bespoiled, go watch the movie.

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Um, but, uh, yeah, spoiler what?
What pretty much happens, right,is that Lily Rose Depp's
character, ellen Hunter.
Lily Rose Depp, daughter ofJohnny Depp, not daughter of
Amber Heard, johnny Depp'sex-wife, but one of his earlier

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partners.
And then, yeah, so she playsEllen Hunter, and Ellen Hunter
has some kind of, you know,emptiness she feels in her life,
and we don't really see much ofthat.
You know emptiness she feels inher life and we don't really
see much of that, but we do seeher, essentially in this trance,
being led outside of herprivate estate that you know her

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and her family used to live atwhen she was I don't know.
I imagine it's like depictingher as like A teenager,
teenager-ish, like it's hard totell because she's like, as old
as our wives.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
But there's a part that says many years later.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think she's a late teenager.
I'd say she's 17, if you knowwhat I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's okay to depict obscure sexual stuff, right?
But anyways, she wanders out atnight and then she finds
herself spiritually enrapturedand she falls on her back and
she starts seeming to have, Iwould say, what is known.
Some people have never seenthis Clinically.

(17:15):
Yeah, some people have neverseen this in their lives.
So if you were confused I couldexplain it to you.
But I think she was having afemale orgasm.
Play it to you, but I think shewas having a female orgasm um
and, uh, this was the best.
Like, okay, this is gonna soundweird, this is the best part of
the movie to me, right, uh,because she was doing her thing

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and I was like, okay, weird, andI'm opening up my box of french
fries I had garlic friesbecause I was at the.
I was at the dine-in movietheater and my, my wife, billy
jean, hadn't gone there yet, shehadn't gotten in the room yet,
she hadn't gotten to the movietheater yet.
Oh, she was showing up from.
She was showing up from, like,uh, her workout class oh my god,
so I got us food and seats andstuff and um, I just hear like

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the uh, yeah uh, and likethere's no nudity, like yeah,
you don't see any nudity oranything, but she's like
writhing uh-huh.
And then it like quick cuts tothis silhouette, haunting
depiction of this likezombie-like vampire lurching

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over, like the like lurchingfrom out of view because the
camera's just kind of looking upat the moon, yeah, and he comes
out from out of view and likewraps his hand around her throat
and scream and she screamsright and like that.
That jump scare actually wentto my pelvis, like I felt it go
through my eyes down to mypelvis and I like was, like I

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jumped and like you caught mygarlic fries dude.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I didn't drop it, but it was so and I was like the
reason, jumped and caught mygarlic fries dude.
I didn't drop any.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's so funny and I was like the reason I say it
was my favorite was because thatwas the most off guard, I was
in the whole movie.
Yeah, because whenever you hearthat kind of that was horror.
Whenever you hear sex soundsand stuff, you just kind of
start tuning out.
You're like okay, whatever Likesex stuff, and the way it

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grabbed me so quickly from myguard being down was pretty
great and that yeah, that didscare me, that scared, did it
scare you at home?
here's what I will say you wereillegally streaming fbi get him.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
No, I paid.
I paid 18 to rent this thing.
Oh, you did.
Laptop, oh, I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
You used to just pirate everything which I don't
blame you sometimes you gottapirate.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I freaking should have, because here's what
happened.
I um, I had a.
I had a couple extra hours.
This isn't a movie like mywife's gonna want to watch,
definitely not a movie likearound the kids no and so, like
I had a couple hours after work,I was at the at the shop here
and I was like no way youwatched it here at the shop.

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Yeah, that's scary, and so I,but I'm like, I, I rented, I
click play.
There's music, there's um,there's a dialogue, there's
closed captions, there's nothingon the screen.
I thought this was art.
I sat there for 10 minutes.

(20:05):
Oh really, or like, or I will.
I sat there until the jumpscare, because then people just
started talking in like dialogue, like yeah, and I was like,
okay, clearly it's time to likeworst movie ever, it's time to
like show the picture.
So I thought it was likecomplete darkness of like her
being like this, like whereshe's saying you know, like come
to me, my angel and he's likeforever, you will be mine that

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was really goodhe's hitting these things.
So I thought I was like, okay,like they're just setting the
scene and I was just waiting forthe flash of the screen to come
on right.
Never happened, and that scarypart happened and so also.
So then also, I'm just sittinghere watching a screen of black
and it's oh, yeah, oh, and I'mlike okay, what's going on here?
And then it's like okay,something's wrong.

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So then I turned it off, turnedoff different browsers, checked
all my ad blockers, checkedeverything back off and on
everything like nothing.
So then I had to watch it on myfreaking phone, dude.
So I will say the phone is notthe same experience, yeah, as a
theater, for sure, compared tothe theater especially, but at
the very least I was trying towatch it on the computer, but at

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first I thought it was just anartsy direction.
Nope, just wasn't working.
Did the jump scare get you?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
on your phone.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
No, because I just heard it Damn that sucks bro.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
That sucks, because that was such a good jump scare.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
The image did get to me.
Yeah, Like the image was likeoh, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I can't even tell you what the image was, because it
was so Of the monster, you know,but like coming over the top,
but it was so like out of thetop of my eyes as I was looking
up over my glasses.
You know that like it was justenough, that like it was so
quick and fast and obscure, thatlike I, I can't even tell you
what it looked like I think itwas even out of focus.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, really, a little like, a little bit spooked me.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Uh, yeah, but anyways , uh yeah, she calls out in the
spirit or essence of nosferatu.
Nosferatu is apparently likethe equivalent of the noun
vampire, excuse me, uh, and that, like it is not a singular

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thing or a name.
Yeah, like a, no, like a.
Nosferatu is literally thedemon of uh plague and it comes
at different times to differentcultures and it's like this
recorded demon and it'sessentially, like you know, the
like copyright free version ofvampire, because back in the day

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fun fact nosferatu was writtenas a spinoff of dracula, to not
get sued, was written as aspinoff of Dracula to not get
sued, because they wanted toessentially make the Dracula
movie based off of Bram Stoker'sDracula novel and the rights
were already purchased and givenaway to someone else and stuff,
and so this guy just was like,okay, well, I'm just going to

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change the names and thelocation and what it is and then
we can make our movie.
And I mean, I'll say this ifyou've seen brahms, if you've
seen francis ford, coppola'sbrahms, stoker's dracula, you've
seen this movie.
They are almost beat for beat.

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The same movie.
Um, like, the only differenceis how it starts out, with her
being the one to invite thispresence into her life.
Have you ever seen Francis FordCoppola's version of Bram?
Stoker, I don't think I haveit's with Gary Oldman and Keanu

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Reeves.
Oh gosh, who's the really greatother, uh, british old guy,
anthony hopkins.
He's, uh, he played anthonyhopkins plays van helsing and,
um, oh, the mom from strangerthings, winona rider, plays mina

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.
Anyways, it's a really goodlike movie that had a ton of
different like theater stagesthat were set up for and it was
filmed on.
So honestly, oftentimes whenyou're watching it looks like a
live theater.
It is, though, even more sexualthan this movie is, and I would
say this movie honestly.

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Someone told me they're like.
When I I was going into it,someone was like, hey, this
movie is really weird andthere's a lot of weird sexual
stuff in it.
I was like, okay, so then youhad prepared yourself for a lot
yeah, and then I went in and Iwas like what?
This was less than Bram Stoker'sDracula.
Like Bram Stoker's Dracula hadway more sex, nudity, like body

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possession stuff in it, like, uh, body possession stuff in it.
And so I went into this one andI was like expecting what I got
, and what I got was less thanyou know what I was prepared for
which is okay.
I'm not right.
I prefer a lot less sex,honestly, in my horror movies,
especially like evil, bad, weirdsex yeah, like possessed yeah

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yeah, it's like it's a littlebit of rowdy.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, I, I came in on the opposite side of things
just being like oh, there's notsex in this yeah, it's like, you
know, vampires, they just theywant to suck your blood, you
know?
Yeah, that's it.
It's like, oh no, this is, thisis sexual, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
But yeah, which I also think a big thing I hear
about is like what I was seeingarenas like people thought like
they were having a lot of sex.
I don't think they had sex.
I don't think they had sex once.
I think her and Nicholas Holt'scharacter, thomas, her husband,
definitely have sex, or it'salluded they have sex a couple
times.
I think the final scene.

(25:48):
I don't think it was sex.
I think he was just drinkingher blood because he was
drinking.
He did the same thing.
Nicholas H scene.
I don't think it was sex.
I think he was just drinkingher blood Because he was
drinking.
He did the same thing toNicholas Holt, but I don't think
they were having sex and itshowed him just drinking,
gorging himself on NicholasHolt's blood for a while.
It was still the way he did itthough.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, it's a very erotic thing, I think, Because
it's also what's always shownfor vampires.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's like their bite is endorphin-ducing Right, like
their bite makes you want tocooperate Right, you know, it's
like the same thing from otherblood drinkers.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Or the whole the books, the middle school girls
when I was in middle school.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
What's it called?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Edward Twilight.
Yeah, twilight, the Twilightstuff, you know, the vampire,
infatuation yeah school.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
What's it called?
Edward Twilight?
Yeah, Twilight, the Twilightstuff you know the vampire
infatuation?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, man, it's real, it's real, you're sexy.
Yeah, and you like it.
Now this guy knows for a whiletoo, the Count.
He ain't sexy.
No, count Orlok.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Dude, the voice was so good bro, that was so good
bro, that was a.
But like he count orlock is, Irespect his mustache and I
respect the homies just rockingthat bald dome.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's just all he had was the mustache I'm surprised
how young the actor is whoplayed bill scars guard, yeah,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
So if you've seen bill scars guard, as like
pennywise and stuff, you have apretty good idea of, like, how
he can transform his expressions, um, and change himself.
But you know, he was absolutelyphenomenal in this movie, um,
and I thought, like, as countorlock, he really delivered like
.
I went in knowing he playedcount orlock and I still didn't

(27:25):
believe it was him when I sawhim on screen.
I was like bill skarsgård's,like a shorter dude and this guy
looks like 7'7" yeah and eventhen, like just the makeup and
prosthetics, I was like itreally just still doesn't look
like him.
It's crazy.
But no, I really enjoyed thatpart.

(27:46):
Anyways, narratively back tothe story, I guess it
essentially follows the samebeats as Dracula, in that it's
like oh, I have to go off andfor some reason, all powerful
vampires need to have a legallybinding contract that they can
move to a house, which was oneof the weirdest things.

(28:08):
I always wondered that because Ilistened to the audiobook the
Bram Stoker audiobook as wellwhich is really really good on
audible.
It's got like a bunch ofdifferent voice actors, it's
read like a play and like it'sperformed very well.
But, um, yeah, I always thoughtit was silly how like dracula
needs this dude to bring him adeed and dracula can't just like

(28:30):
roll into whatever house, right, or cause, like the lore is
like you got a vampire has gotto be invited in before it can
enter, and I'm like well, whatabout a house that no one lives
on?
I feel like it's just a cave.
At that point he could just goin.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right, or like the fact that this, in this case of
this story, it wasn't even acontract for a house.
It for a house.
It was a contract.
From the way I understood it,it was actually a contract for
him uh, thomas to give her tohim yeah, he resigned.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
He resigned.
He rescinds his rights to her.
As to her as like as his spouseright because he nullifies the
marriage?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
yeah, but I don't think he.
No, he knows something weird'sgoing on when he signs it, but
he doesn't know that's what'shappening.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I mean it was definitely, if you see in the
movie, I don't think he.
No, he knows something weird'sgoing on when he signs it, but
he doesn't know that's what'shappening.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, I mean it was definitely if you see in the
movie.
I don't know if you can chickenscratch yeah, you notice it
probably.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I didn't know if you could see on your phone but, it
was definitely written likesuper old, like romanian
transylvanian.
He said it is my, myforefather's language yeah, you
know okay, yeah, I'm not gonnasign a binding contract.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I can't read it.
So even still to your point.
It's like why does the vampireneed that?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And I think that almost made more sense in this
movie.
I thought that made more sense.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Because it was like signing the soul versus that's
her husband versus to sign to goto a house.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, versus like that's her husband, versus like
the sign to go to a house, yeah,like he's sickly count orlock
is sickly and still bound bylike the rules of, you know,
vampirism in the mystical orlike the magic around and
whatever.
So he's still.
He can't just like steal awoman like it's got to be quote

(30:11):
unquote, true love right, whichI think also goes in a good way
and that like it can't be toorapey and that was always a
thing that got like unsettled meabout like the dracula stuff is
that like it's very rapey.
Like the dracula stuff is likedracula invites well, he doesn't
invite, but this dude comes tosell him, give him the deed and

(30:32):
sign everything to stay at hiscastle.
And that's when he sees thelocket of mina and he's like, oh
, mina looks just like my deadwife and he's like I must
possess her.
And then, rather than likedracula having to like like win
her over and convince her, likeno, I'm the better deal here.

(30:54):
Dracula just pretty muchpossesses chicks in those
stories.
He's like come here so I coulddrink your blood to then be one
of my wives.
And like they just have noself-control and self-will and
like there was like the thing Ireally enjoyed about this movie
is that ellen, she gets toreally like she, she flips on

(31:15):
the dial of like being seducedby like this, this, you know
very, uh, otherworldly forcethat she has had an intimate
connection with in the past, andthen, like it being revealed,
like no, this is a, this is amalicious force.
This is a, this is a force thatis that is evil and harmful.

(31:37):
Oh, and it's like actually hereand it it's trying to kill my
husband, and not only kill him,but like it's gonna kill other
people I care about.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
And so she like really flips on it and she, she
has the like, the she has aninternal battle, versus like uh,
she has the autonomy and theautonomy, yeah, she has the
autonomy and agency to be likeno, like you're evil.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm not gonna sleep with you, but there's a piece of
her that wants it, I think itused to be there, like or like,
there's a piece of her that dies, though I think it's that the
fact that it's like.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think it dies, though.
I think it's that the fact thatit's like is like the almost
like the, the internal struggleof of a human, even like around
sin.
I really don't want to do that,yeah, but it's calling to me
and I want to like, like this.
They at least play on some ofthat with.

(32:29):
Like her, like there's justpieces of it that I feel like
she's not just Evil and she'snot just good.
She's like she's strugglingwith it.
She wants To have a normal life, wants to just have her husband
, but then it's just so rootedin her there is like a small
Piece of her that's almosttortured to the Point of wanting
to relent.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I guess, like you know, and I think that only, but
I really I think that only, butI really do think that only
existed until she found out thatorlock was trying to kill her
husband thomas and I.
Because after that momentthere's never another time where
she wants to give in to him.
Because even when he comes toher, even when orlock comes
through at night and she couldkiss him, she denies him and

(33:12):
says like I abhor you right, andthe only reason she relents in
the end is because she knows ifshe can keep him feeding on her
until the cock crows at sunrise,yeah, then he'll die, right, um
, and so it's one of thosethings where I really liked that
part at the end of it.

(33:32):
Like that was that was just theweird thing about.
Like dracula again is likethere was no real battle for me,
like mean is like I have thesefeelings of possession.
And then she's like I hate you,husband, get away from me,
you're gross, I want to, youknow, sleep with dracula.
It's like what are you evenfighting for at that point, dude

(33:53):
, right, like I guess I just lether go.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
And that's what I feel like to her.
I feel like it's like I feellike the Count Orlok or
Nesferatu is like he's likeheroin instead of like something
good, like just something.
That's like like.
I feel like there's like a tinypiece where you're just like I
don't want it, yeah, but there'slike a I don't know that's for
me.
I feel like there was scenes, Ithink it was.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I think it's less drastic than heroin.
I think dracula is like heroin.
I think orlock is moreliterally just an ex-boyfriend
that's why, like like Iliterally think it's just like.
She's's like, wow, like thatfeeling I had with like whatever
the entity was, was such apowerful feeling, but it's not.
It doesn't compare to my likehusband.
Now my husband is my true lover.
And then it's like I don'tthink she ever wants to go back

(34:42):
to it.
She never will Like even whenshe's with Thomas.
The reason she doesn't wantThomas to leave is because she's
like I, I want you more than Iwant any of that stuff.
And I'm afraid if you leave,I'll start having these visions
again and these nightmares andthese sleepwalking terrors.
And then, of course, thathappens, but she never
consciously, when she's awake Ithink wants it.

(35:05):
And then once she finds out herex-boyfriend is trying to kill
her husband, she's like okay,let's kill my ex-boyfriend.
And I think the only thing likewhen we see her and Thomas
arguing, I think that's justmore her own, essential, like
spiritual schizophrenia, likeshe has like essentially

(35:26):
schizophrenia of not do I loveCount Orlok, like is was count
orlock telling me the truth?
Did you really sell me for abag of gold?
Right, sign me away.
It's not like she wants to bewith the count, it's just like
the flippant of, like anger andemotion there, which I think
that was the scariest part ofthe movie.

(35:47):
Like she does some facialexpressions that were unreal.
Look like how she contorted herface.
Yeah, and I was like that'sinsane, bro.
Like, like, because in my headI was like I literally looked at
billy jean.
I was like if you did this, Iwould leave.
Yeah, like I would not.
Like, because here's the thingright, she's doing these things
that she's flipping back andforth and like, saying like,

(36:09):
almost like possessed insults tothomas and she says, like
something along the lines oflike you could never please me
the way he did.
Yeah, as an in like, in a wayto insult him into sex.
Like to like, like, prove to meyou're a good lover and a
better lover than count orlock.
And then they start having sexand then they have this like he

(36:33):
gets this vision of her coveredin blood and like panic freaks
out of it.
And I just looked at billy jean.
I'm like I just want you toknow this would never happen.
The moment you said that to me,I would push you away from me
and I would walk out the frontdoor.
I'd be like your vampireboyfriend can have you ass.
Like, like, I don't.
I just don't get it like Idon't get the like.

(36:54):
For me that was the part thatwas like out of, you know, in
the vampire movie.
The hardest thing for me tobelieve was like that guy wanted
to have sex with his demon wifeat that moment.
So, like I don't know what wereyour thoughts of that, because
like, yes, it was horrifyingtrying to picture my wife
behaving that way.
Right, also, I can't imagine Iwould respond any way that guy

(37:14):
did.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, I think um, the , from the, from the standpoint
of, of a weak man of flesh.
The manner in which shepropositioned him was very hard
to deny.
But also I'm with you on the.

(37:42):
Not a good time to be, you know.
It's time to sit down and havea talk or something right.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I'm not even having a talk.
I'm leaving, bro, you'releaving.
You're having demon moments.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, now in his defense, he's completely effed
by this point too.
He's a mental wreck as well.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
He's also in demon mode.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
He's been after.
So they're both just trying tofigure it out.
But yeah, I will say it was,that's what I guess.
And to like the, this wasn'tlike overly sexual comparatively
to like the, the Dracula movieor other movies, but like it was
still just like in general, Ijust don't like evil, weird sex,

(38:25):
you know, like I just kind ofit kind of puts me, it puts me
at une, at unease, makes me feela little I'd hope so a little
bit uh, right, which I think iswhat it is.
It is a horror movie.
They are trying to, uh, youknow, uh, you know, make you
feel uneasy right, but there'sthis also.
Then there's just this piecearound like like, how do you

(38:49):
describe this?
Okay, the best way I candescribe this would be like you
were when you were 13 orwhatever, and an episode of law
and order special victims unitcame on, oh yeah, and they're
talking about some graphic stuffwe're talking about.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
The father raped his daughter and you're like it's
bad.
Oh my gosh, I didn't know thathappened in the world right and
but it's bad.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, but you're kind of curious, like like, like
there's like like like in a in away being like in a not not
like a sexual curiosity right oreven, or even.
I would actually say yes, butit's because it's blending the
two and it's your brain's like Ilike boobs, I like, I think I
like sexual things, but this isvery bad.

(39:33):
This is bad, yeah, and sothat's it.
When you're driving those twothings together, it puts a very
like um it's just unnerving.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's very unnerving to be like, like, like.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Even some of the scenes in this where you're like
that lady on the horse has anice rack.
Also, they're about tosacrifice her to a vampire.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Well, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
They didn't sacrifice her Right, but, like you know,
whatever they're about to do,Still naked lady on a horse
objectively attractive, butthere's scary funeral-y things
going on and they're stabbing acorpse that vomits, you know,
and you're like I'm there'sconfliction here.
I that vomits, you know.

(40:14):
And you're like I'm there'sconfliction here.
I don't.
I'm being unhinged unnerved, Idon't like it.
No, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know that's that sort of thing.
It makes sense, for sure.
It's uh, yeah, I, I, which iskind of what they're trying to
do.
That's the point of the movie Ithink.
Right is to like like pull onone pathway in your brain and
like make you disturbed, yeah,by like the association with it.

(40:37):
Um, which also I thought thatcorpse when they stabbed it,
because this was just ademonstration to show, like, how
these transylvanian, romaniangypsies are aware of like the
vampire lore and how they findthem and track them down they
stabbed that vampire in thegrave.
I thought it was just going tobe a corpse and the corpse was

(40:58):
just going to be dead.
And then they did it.
It was straight up a vampire.
Yeah, they killed it and I waslike, wait, how many Nosferatu's
are there supposed to be in theNosferatu movie?
I kind of would have liked tosee a little bit more there,
right.
The nosferatu movie I kind ofwould have liked to see a little
bit more there, right, you know, a couple more like lesser
vampires, because we don'treally get like we know
nosferatu's biting people and ashe bites them it can kind of

(41:20):
spread some like plague-likedisease and rather than bats
being kind of his.
Uh, what's the word um?
I can't like his surrogate hitlike.
Like Dracula's surrogates arebats Um.
Rats are his surrogate in thisfilm, or count Orlok surrogates

(41:42):
even?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
though he's kind of batty.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
But he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
He doesn't ever do a bad thing during the.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
I hear bad noises a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I'd say during the signing of the, the deed, he
like flips and flaps and he justends up on the other side of
him.
So it's like they kind of giveyou a little bit of it's all
like sound, yeah, it's all sound.
You never see him be a bat sohe could be a rat.
But yeah, it's like there'slots of.
Instead of Dracula's got batsflying everywhere, this dude's

(42:09):
got rats.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I'd really like to see more of those other vampires
.
Just to get an idea, becausethat was another cool thing
about um Dracula and maybe it'sa copyright thing, right, and
why they didn't do it.
But Dracula has his wives ofDracula, which are all three,
like you know, women.
He's turned over the years andthen he turns another lady into
a vampire and it's all done with, like the bite you know, women.
He's turned over the years andthen he turns another lady into

(42:33):
a vampire and it's all done with, like the bite you know.
And he bites so many people inthis movie that I was like when
are the other vampires going toshow up?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
that's I was.
I was thinking that too, as faras like, or like when, or when
he bit tom the first time I waslike, oh, he's bad, he's a, he's
a vampire now.
But yeah, we're dealing with alittle bit different adjacent
lore.
You know they're playing bytheir own rules and I think
that's where, for me, some ofthis movie kind of broke down,

(43:02):
of lore and things around it.
I feel like I needed a littlemore story or explanation, and
maybe you were just supposed toengage it for what it was right,
which I think that isn't whatthe intent was.
You know that you just engagethis story for what it is, but,

(43:24):
for instance, like that firstscene where they, or that first
scene with the other vampirewhere they um, tom sees it being
hunted by the gypsies like it'sjust really, uh, all that
serves as is a thing to letmakes tom know he's in a crazy
place.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
That's kind of weird now it's it like grounds, like
oh, superstition, stuff is kindof real right and that vampires
are real.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, but we showed up to nosferatu, so we know
that's real.
You know, like, like, like, asfar as like, establishing the
like, I don't know so, like itfelt like they needed more.
I don't know like, even ifthere was a old lady in the
village who just said, said acouple clarifying things about,
like I don't know, setting upthe rules or tying the story

(44:12):
together, yeah, you know,warning him about the guy on the
hill, I don't know, I don'tknow.
So I felt like throughout thewhole movie because it does.
I don't know if it was just theintent to be kind of like these
fever, dreamy chops in and outof what's real, what's not, um,
but, and they did that to showlike people coming in and out of
sleep and not sure what's goingon, not sure what's real, but

(44:33):
then they also had like thepieces of, uh, you bring in like
william defoe's character,who's like this expert, but then
we really don't know.
I feel like we didn't reallyknow what the rules were, or
like the and or also like thedepth of his, his character
supposed to be pretty epic andcrazy vampire fighter type, but

(44:56):
he's just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I'm having trouble explaining it, but just to be
like I get what you're saying.
I think, though, that's all thatI the truth is presumed.
It's all presumed because ofwhat came after this right like
the truth is is like, uh,nosferatu was a much bigger
movie and like bigger deal, andlike all of our vampire lore is

(45:18):
based off of that, and thereason I think that bram
stoker's dracula, the film madeby francis ford coppola, was
such a success was because thepeople who were children in
solid nose for ought to, oradults in their forties could
take their teenagers with themto go see Bram Stoker's Dracula,

(45:39):
and so, with that, it is one ofthose things of like.
I do think this movie is cursedby adhering closely to its
original source material andtrying to add in a little bit
more of like what the originalsource material was that wasn't
included in the movie, becausethe original source material of

(46:01):
this is brown soakers, dracula,and because we've seen those
movies or we're so familiar withthem and how they're brought in
and how there's the rules ofvampires and things like that,
that like, there is a little bitof press opposition, and we're
expecting, when we're going intothis, we're not expecting
willem dafoe to be literallykind of like more studious

(46:23):
professor.
Uh, not a badass we're expectingto be, you know, uh, hugh
jackman's van helsing you know,that's just like what people
think of when they think of vanhelsing, and I think really what
it was supposed to be is liketo show like hey, people
believed in this.

(46:45):
Like this is a thing peoplereally truly believed,
especially in like uh, where umnosferatu originally takes
places like germany, and germanywas really close to romania, a
lot of romanian immigrants andstuff in transylvania like the
1800s, and so a lot of peoplewere like hearing these things,
like what are vampires?
And then, like we know, for,without a doubt, like in germany

(47:08):
and other parts of like europe,people were waking up and
people were like all right,let's go kill that vampire, and
they were like opening casketsof savvy things, and so it's one
of those things where, like, Ithink like this is actually more
simplified and also like, ifyou just look at it from the
perspective of like plague andpeople wearing lead makeup and

(47:33):
eating, like you know, poisonousfood off of plates and wearing
corsets and taking like snakeoil medicines.
Yeah, this whole movie couldhave absolutely happened in
someone's fever dream.
Yeah, and just everyone whodied as a result of the plague
and the freaking walking in onyour dead wife in this corpse of

(47:53):
a person on top of her couldhappen.
Like you could literally comehome during these days and age
and someone riddled with plagueis dead on top of your spouse.
Like I don't think that was on,like unreal right so like it's I
think it's all of it is likesupposed to come off as like yes
, this is like the origin, likehow, and it's not necessarily
supposed to scare you today, butit is supposed to come off as
like yes, this is the origin,and it's not necessarily

(48:15):
supposed to scare you today, butit is supposed to make you
understand why this was sofreaking scary, then I did like
that part of this where they didincorporate a lot of the
superstitious, like mythicalmedicine.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
She needs to be bled, or that scene where she's like
I'll give her more ether.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, I told Billy I'm gonna do that to you.
I'll give her more ether Cuz I?
Billy G looked at me.
He's like you, just gore forlike, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, he's been doing that for the past couple hours.
He's just keeping her, keepingher leveled out, yeah, and you
know, or put a corset on hertighter because it helps like
blood flow, to like her likeuterus, whatever, like all these
squeeze the blood out.
Yeah, it's like whatever allthis stuff, but um, and so they
did this, it.
This movie didn't feel wildlysupernatural, yeah, compared to

(49:07):
other things we've seen.
Yeah, yeah, so while there waspossession, vampires,
supernatural powers, it didallow for um, uh, kind of, yeah,
blending that old world,mythical, medical science with
also like the um, thesupernatural lore of vampires

(49:32):
and those things, and so, yeah,it was believable in that sense
where it wasn't just, you know,a guy turning into a bat flying
away and like all this overlytheatrical stuff.
I mean, yeah, and it did feelum the way that they brought the
audience into the mindset of aperson at this time Of what was

(49:54):
going on, because then you havethe character, the friend.
What's his name?
Cedric or Friedrich AaronTaylor Johnson, the guy who
played Kick-Ass.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I think he's.
Let me just make sure I'mdouble checking.
Is he someone's brother orsister?
I thought he was Ellen'sbrother for a very long time.
He might just be their friend,but I thought he was Ellen's
brother.
And Ellen goes by Ellen Hutterbecause Thomas Hutter is her

(50:22):
husband, right?
But there was nothing I heardthat overly confirmed that.
But she says to him at onepoint why do you hate me?
You've always hated me and Ithought that was like kind of
like a.
Did they grow up together?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, we're siblings.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Because there was also like no moment of sexual
tension between them.
So that's why I thought it waslike a sibling too.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Oh yeah, because, like he, he clearly never sees
her in that light no, yeah, andI was wondering, like at least I
felt like we, the audience washim, oh yeah, like he is the,
the vessel that is the audience.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
It was great.
Yeah, it's phenomenal.
Everyone was good in this movie.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I don't think there's anyone who's bad it was.
It was good, uh good, actingand and, but for him his
character was like, just like no, it's not a vampire like this
is like a plague like like whatthe hell is going on, like
you're mentally ill I'm going totie you to the bed this
professor is my children are inthis house, isn't that like I

(51:22):
don't know what's going?
like this is, this is all bs,you know, like kind of like
level-headed, just kind ofnormal, just a normal dude found
himself in this very weird,scary supernatural story.
So I think the audience, Ithink he is the, he is us in the
story as we get pulled throughit.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I didn't even think of that, but I totally agree.
And ultimately he dies holdingon to the memory of what he's
lost.
Right, he literally goes to the, to the grave, the mausoleum of
his wife and daughters, andrather than you know face, face

(52:02):
what is coming, he'd rather justkind of like hold on to what
was once was and like die withit in his arms yeah and which
was weird because I I didn't seehim seeming to contract the
disease at all, right up untilthe final scene, when he's like
going to die there and then thedisease is like on his face oh
yeah, you know what I mean.
Uh, I was hoping that thosethree girls were gonna, like his

(52:27):
two daughters and wife weregonna come back as vampires.
I was so ready for that.
Oh yeah, like vampire showdownin the funeral in the cemetery.
That would have been sick I did.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I got angry when nosferatu killed those kids you
got angry.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I was not happy about that like are you like this
movie's awful or were you likekill this vampire?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
yeah and more like that, just like I was just like
yeah at first I was like youknow, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I was like, I was like this is really dark dream,
yeah, and I was like then it waslike cut to caskets and I was
like oh my gosh, they killedthose kids tiny fat casket
that's honestly the way to do it, though, and like the very like
just enough of a silhouette andshadow to know what is

(53:11):
happening, without a doubt.
Yeah, but not like too gory orgraphic when it comes to kids
and stuff and yeah, yeah, likeit was.
I felt like it was tasteful.
I don't know if there's a wayyou could do it, that would be
it was impactful.
You see their silhouette of himholding one dead girl and then

(53:32):
drinking the blood out of theother one.
He drops their bodies andyou're like, oh damn, did he
just kill those kids?
And it's enough to know likethis could be happening without
it just being like an illusionor a fever dream.
Yeah, but it did make me thinklike, oh wow, we got to kill him
and I really thought we weregoing to get Friedrich Harding,

(53:55):
aaron Taylor Johnson's character.
I really thought he was goingto be like, all right, let's go
freaking, kill this vampirebefore I die.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
He just wanted to hold on to the reality he had
before all this.
I'd be devastated too.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
That said, too, the only other character that we
haven't really mentioned, or twocharacters that we haven't
mentioned that I thought reallyreally were standouts, I mean, I
think Ralph Ineson.
I've always liked him.
He's in um, the witch or thevich, depending on how you
pronounce it, but it was likerobert egger's first movie.
He's great and he's in a coupleother ones, but he's like the
classic british guy with like aninsanely deep voice, um, but he

(54:36):
played dr wilhelm sievers inthis and I thought he was really
good.
Um, dude, but simon mcbirneyplayed knock, is that?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
the, uh, the boss, yeah, like the like.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, the, the servant of, of the count he was
the servant of count orlock butwas also the employer of uh
thomas and never seen that guybefore or at least I'm not aware
of anything I saw him in, buthe was excellent.
Like I never thought his madcraziness was over the top.

(55:10):
I always thought it was likeperfectly balanced and uh, yeah,
this is what a crazy guy soundslike and uh, it was very
unsettling.
He was probably the mostunsettling part of the whole
movie.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Especially since at the beginning I thought he was
good.
Really, at the beginning I waslike this guy's huffing lead
paint.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Because he was giggling in the room and I was
like what the?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
hell is going on with this dude?
That's true.
I just thought he was like.
I thought he was on Thomas'team.
I should say Not that he waslike.
I thought he was on Thomas'steam.
I should say not that he waslike evil, like that, you know,
just like.
And then all of a sudden I waslike, oh my God, oh he's in a
room on top of like a sevensided star.
Yeah, yeah, but naked likecarving into himself.
I was like, okay, we've gone,this is bad.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
That's the thing, though, is like what's he
originally?
Orlock's servant, or didorlock's spirit just reach out
and possess some poor bastard?
Right, because that was thething that I also think was
scary is like, how terrifying isthe thought that you could just
be like the head of a realestate firm and one day start
getting dreams from a vampire.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
This is like, be my servant and I will reward you
Like that's pretty crazy, andgoing back all the way to the
beginning of the movie, them twoare she knew he was getting
called away before he did, sothat would also lend you to
believe that, like she's kind ofalways been hanging out with

(56:38):
him in her dreams and like hetalks to her, I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
He couldn't though for a while.
You know, that was the thing itwas like.
While Thomas was around, hewasn't able to get through to
her, and I think that was thebiggest thing is like she was
afraid once Thomas left.
I think she knew Thomas wasleaving.
I don't think she knew it wasto go to the source of the evil.
But she knew once Thomas leftshe'd have these issues again.
Infirmities Okay, I got sometrivia, but before we do that,

(57:12):
let's give our final thoughts.
I'll say this I'm not defensiveover this because I think like
a quarter of the way through Iwas like oh, that's just like
dracula.
Oh, that's just like dracula.
And then I was like, oh, thisis just dracula.
And I was like I knew it was acopy of dracula.
I didn't know it was a freakinglike I didn't know, it was like

(57:36):
a hey man, here's my essay.
Use it, it as a reference, don'tcopy it.
I didn't know.
It was like literally like justchanging the first name on that
essay to be your own Right, andit was really good, but it did
make me think like man, I shouldwatch Francis Ford Coppola's,
bram Stoker's Dracula again,because that might've been
better, right.

(57:57):
But, it was definitely cheesier.
It know, 80s cheesy and this Ididn't think was cheesy at all
right, because this one did have.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I will say what I was impressed with was the visuals,
the scenes, that dude, thathand reaching across the city.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Oh yeah, blew my mind away.
Yeah, like that I.
The whole time I was watchingthat I was like is this a
miniature set?
Right, this does not look fakeat all.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, it was I, I could not tell same where it
began or ended same with the oldcastles they were in, I'm like
is this a real place, was thisfilm?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
it was a real place.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
It was like I was like oh, this isn't like a set,
this is like a real castle inromania.
This is crazy.
And then um, and then just ingeneral, like the, the use of
the scenes and the cuts and thecamera angles and everything.
It was really well done in thatsense, you know, and it was, it
was pleasant to look at thewhole time.
Yeah, yep, definitely, whichalso, which is also like very,

(58:52):
that's not what you expect outof horror movies, right?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
you usually expect like just budget sets just
budget stuff, haunt yeah, heyman, let's just film in this
haunted house warehouse Exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Hey, could you leave this warehouse set up for like
an extra week after Halloween?
We can film in here?
Yeah, no, that part of this wasreally well done.
The cast had some big stars andthen also had some not a ton
know, william defobian,definitely the yeah, the biggest
out of them, but then had otheractors who were held their own

(59:25):
in it and it didn't feel like Iwas watching acting, you know I
I can't think of anyone who Ithought was bad, like there's no
one who I was like you're beingcarried like even anna harding,
who was like the best friend ofemma.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I don't think it was overacted.
I don't think it was overacted,I don't think it was underacted
, I thought she just did a greatjob.
Excuse me, and I thought, likethe kids were fine, you know
they're in scene for like what30 seconds, but it's one of
those things where there's noone, you're just like, oh gosh,
like they really don't date,whereas, like bro, if you do

(01:00:00):
watch the Dracula film withKeanu Reeves, it's like it's
watching Ted from Bill and Ted.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It's watching Bill and Ted go to see Dracula.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
You know it is, bro, it's like Ted, like Dracula, my
dude.
It's just like I hear you wantto move to england.
It was like so hard to likewatch that movie because it's
it's.
It's well before keanu went tothe like school of acting you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
yeah, or were they like let's stop giving this guy
lines?
Yeah, it's good, good facialfeatures.
So funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
It's so funny, though , like you watch it and you're
like this is incredible.
This is incredible.
This is francis fordpola, thedude who made the Godfather, and
he cast Keanu Reeves as, like,the lead.
And then there's, like, anthonyHopkins, who steals every
single scene he's in, or GaryOldman as Dracula.
So it's a great movie, but yougot to let go in and be like

(01:00:58):
expect it to like bear throughit.
Okay, all that said you got tolet go in and be like.
No, expect it to like bearthrough it.
Um, okay, all that said.
Um, anything else, before youwant to review it, no, no, I
think that's it.
Okay, it does have really goodreviews.
Like if you're talking horror,you'd be hard pressed to find a
horror movie that has as good ofreviews from both critics and
audience.

(01:01:18):
It's usually one or the otherreviews from both critics and
audience.
It's usually one or the other.
Um, I'm gonna give it a thumbup just because well, not just
because I genuinely think it's agood cinematic experience and I
think that the criticism of itis mostly blown out of
proportion, like if I was tostack this up against any other

(01:01:40):
kind of horror movie I've seenin the last couple of years.
I think it is, like you know,better acting.
I think the the story may besimple and old, but it's still
told in a way that I was.
I enjoyed watching.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
I've heard it a hundred times, but the hundred
and first time.
I've heard it a hundred timesbut the hundred and first time I
just saw it was still prettygood and uh, visually I thought
it was a, it was beautiful towatch, like I thoroughly,
thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
Uh, and like, like you said,you know the effects and how
they did things, so it gets asolid thumb up for me.
I can't give it two thumbsbecause I just don't think it's

(01:02:21):
that good, because it is.
It's, it's dracula, like that.
Um, so, all right, a thumb upfrom mick.
What about you, pat?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I would, I would.
I'm giving a thumb up as well.
Really I am.
I was anticipating you giving athumb down.
Well, because?
No, because here's the deal.
Like most of my, you're alsonot a horror guy so this is a
big thing for me.
Well, I mean and that's what I'm.
What I'm saying is, like, thethings I don't like about it are
, just because I don't like this, like you know what I mean.
Like I want the knight on thehorse and he slays the monster.

(01:02:54):
Yeah, he rides off with thelady.
Like that's what I want, youknow, so it'd be like you know,
like, so the the I'm takingmyself out of this, just
objectively to this movie andwhat it is like.
Um, it wasn't cheesy, it waswell done.
Um, I think that, um, there's areason why a lot of people like

(01:03:17):
it, people like these, thisgenre and stuff, and it's not,
while it is a re retelling, aremake and a ripoff it is it
still stands alone and doesn'tfeel like it's um, it doesn't
feel like all those things.
It doesn't feel like a, a remake, ripoff and a retelling of
something Right.

(01:03:37):
So it's um, the act, the actingis great, the directing, um,
and, like I was saying, thevisuals and these scenes they're
there.
Um, yeah, I just especially thescenes that were around, like
that first act where thomas goesto the castle, like that whole
thing was it was.

(01:03:57):
It was good, it's gripping,it's mysterious.
I it's mysterious.
I was really unsettled.
You think you know what's goingon only because you know the
story, but otherwise you,because of the directing, you're
like I don't know what's goingon and I just know something
wild is.
You know, I just know whatThomas knows, which is I don't

(01:04:20):
think I'm supposed to be hereright now.
And so I think it's a good movie.
If you don't like blood, youdon't like sexual explicit
things, whatever, this isn't it,fam?
Yeah, definitely not for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
But if you don't like blood, don't watch movies with
vampires.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Exactly, Exactly.
But if you don't like blood,don't watch movies with vampires
.
Exactly, Exactly so.
But I've seen lots, plenty ofother vampire type movies too
that aren't that I wouldn't givea thumb up to.
I like them more because it islike being schlocky yeah.
Or it's like.
It is like vampire slayer-y,you know, like big fight scene.

(01:04:59):
Letting out like these thingsversus like this does more
justice to the old stories of avampire and how they, like we
were talking about, like youknow, the legends that were
coming out in these times of youknow, a whole town died from a
plague.
It was a vampire.

(01:05:20):
You know what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
There's confusion, um so, yeah, I think I'm going
thumbs up, thumbs up for it,heck yeah well, dude, hey, two
thumbs up for a horror movie atthe mickey pat show is pretty,
pretty great for a horror movie.
I mean, I'm a big horror fanbut it takes a lot to get two
thumbs up for me for movies and,uh, to even, you know, get any
favor from pat for a horrormovie.

(01:05:42):
That's a, that's a bigcompliment there.
So, um, a couple things that Ithought about too just while
you're saying that.
That I thought was like good tomake note of too.
Um, uh, is that another one?
Is that it it doesn't play intothe tropes of what I think a
lot of people were expecting.
Like there was almost like theteasing of like crosses and

(01:06:03):
crucifixes, but there's andthere's, I think I remember a
teasing of a mirror, right, butlike you never really get any of
those rules right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Or like one guy who's has garlic on and a wooden
stake and a crucifix yeah, asilver bullet, just in case.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
We don't even know if a spike of iron would have
killed Nosferatu.
Really we know it looks likethey killed that one vampire
with.
Was it a sword or an axe?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Something pointy.
I couldn't tell what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
The other thing Billie Jean said and this is the
classic Billie Jean response,but I genuinely think she meant
it for this movie.
She said it wasn't scary.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
That's actually what I was about to say for this
movie as a horror.
As someone who doesn't likehorror, I will say I liked it
because it also wasn't thatscary and or over the top evil.
It fit into a box.
This is evil.
This is good and bad.
But we're not going like justoff the rails into like complete

(01:07:07):
like these, these spots whereyou the horror movies I don't
like to be in that are just likebut Pat yeah, is Count Orlok
scary.
Yes, but he's not.
It's not as scary as otherhorror movies that are just like
wait until you see.
Sorry, go ahead.
It's just just like, like thosemovies that are just evil for

(01:07:28):
the sake of being evil.
This is at least like a.
There is a good force, like theprofessor.
There is evil in the world andthere is also like like for our
lead, ellen, like there is aninternal conflict.
It's not just only possessedwrithing on a bed, there's no

(01:07:49):
hope, there's weird stuff like,just like complete debauchery,
just people dying for no reason,like I don't know.
So I will say that's also apart of why I like this in the
horror genre as well.
I think that lots of peoplecould watch this in the horror
genre as well.
I think that lots of peoplecould watch this and be like I
didn't like that.
That was creepy, but it didn'tleave me, like you know, curled
up in a ball, you know whateverbro, wait until you see gary

(01:08:11):
oldman's dracula with two giantlike boobs on his head.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Oh yeah, from his hairdo, his hairdo.
Looks like two breasts are onhis head.
Oh yeah, um, okay, here's mything.
I this is, this is the mainthing I want to bring up post
post review is I think countorlock is silly to girls.
I think girls will see countorlock with his big mustache and
his bald head and his creepylong fingers and his creepy long
, and I think they'll be likekind of seems like, uh, he's a

(01:08:38):
little gay, kind of seems likefreddie mercury type to me.
He's scary.
I think he's scary looking dudeand maybe that's scary to me
because he looks like the dudemaybe who would try to get me.
Like count orlock comes out,like he gives me the behavior of
a dude who, like he might tryto get with me while I'm
sleeping in his castle, andthat's scarier to me than

(01:08:59):
dracula, who's uninterested inme at all, and he has rasputin
vibes.
He does dude yeah I, I, uh, Ijoked with billy jean.
Since I got the mustache allgrown out, I think I might go as
count warlock for, uh,halloween.
Oh really, yeah, bald cap, andjust I'm tall, I could.
I feel like I could do it.
Put some contacts in.
Uh, I have to work on thatvoice though.

(01:09:22):
Okay, got some trivia here foreveryone.
There wasn't really any goofsin the movie, so that's nice to
always see that.
It was like a nice.
You know they had really goodeditors, but trivia one.
The word Nosferatu isn't a wordwith really any meaning in
Romanian.
Isn't a word with really anymeaning in Romanian?

(01:09:43):
It's believed that Bram Stokerfirst learned of this word from
an article back in the 1880s andthe only other previous usage
of it was a German article onvampires in 1865.
But both sources claim the wordis Romanian and the term has no
meaning in Romanian.
There's no like definition forit, um, so it's either always

(01:10:05):
just been that thing, that thatit was about right, or it's not
a real word.
It was just made up right.
Um will and defoe when he didthe scene burning the um,
burning the mausoleum down.
I'm not sorry, not themausoleum, burning the manor
down Was filmed with a live 2000live rats.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
How do you get them all back in that cage?
They didn't get them all back.
Lot of cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yeah, bill Skarsgård trained with an opera coach to
lower his voice an octave tomake the voice of Count Orlok as
deep as possible.
It was very good.
He said he had to train forlike six weeks.
Coach, to lower his voice anoctave to make the voice of
count or lock as deep aspossible.
It was very good.
He said he had to train forlike six weeks and that's all he
did for six weeks was just likerehearse the voice, wow, and
just day in and day out andrecord himself and they'd tell
him how to do it lower.
Um, flowers often carrysymbolism.

(01:10:56):
And then this movie, purplelilacs are, you know, in the
beginning and the end, heavilysymbolical.
Wait, symbolic, heavilysymbolic, yeah, symbolical.
So, purple lilacs, there'sspecific variants.

(01:11:16):
The lighter shade of purple aretraditionally associated with
one's first love or the firsttime one feels love for someone
an important theme in this moviewhen uh count orlock takes the
locket, he says lilac, yeah yeah, uh, the film's budget was only
50 million, which I was shockedby, like how good this movie

(01:11:38):
looks.
Yeah, this movie looks as goodto me visually.
There's a lot of way moreexpensive movies that don't look
this good I will say this movielooks just as good visual to,
visually to me, as dune, likeI've.
I believe arrakis is real, likeI see arrakis.
I'm like that's real.
I also see this 1880s villagewe not village, but 1880s

(01:12:02):
England and I'm like that's alsoreal.
How did they record this there?
You know, this is so veryvisceral and real looking.
So I do think the money waspaid very well here, spent very
well, I guess.
Um, because it's visuallystunning and they're like you
know Pat said the flash costwhat 250 million dollars and

(01:12:23):
looked like dog duty.
Um francis ford coppola's lastmovie was, um, it was a, the big
one.
It was called uh.
It was like the movie he haswanted to make for years.
I can't remember the name of it.
It was his most recent movie.
I just came out with, um adamdriver.
It cost 100 million dollars ormore and it was trash and the

(01:12:47):
cgi and visuals in it are likeso bad at times they're like
awful green screen.
Um, and then uh.
Last bit of trivia here,nosferatu is of course this
unauthorized adaption of brahmstoker's dracula and florence
stoker, brahm's widow.
Uh sued one and had most printsof the film destroyed.

(01:13:10):
So the fact that any prints ofthis film survived and led to
like this cult classic is kindof a miracle, because she tried
to destroy it and root it outwherever it existed in 1922,
like when it came out.
Okay, yeah wow, um, so anyways,uh, those are the cool, fun
trivia things here.
Um, I guess, pat, is there anyother kind of points you want to

(01:13:35):
talk about before we sign off?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I'll say the you know credit to.
Oh, his name's Jaron Blaschki.
He's the director ofphotography For the and it looks
like he's Been teamed up withthe director, robert Eggers, for
a while, because the DPDirector of photography, he's

(01:14:00):
done.
He did the Northman, theLighthouse, the Witch and
Nosferatu, all with the samedirector, so he has a huge.
The way your movie looks.
The director matters a lot, butthe director of photography
matters big, big time on makingthat look that way.
So excited to see what else hemight like continue to come out

(01:14:24):
with or not.
Because if he wants to stopdoing these scary movies and do
something I like, I'll be.
I'll be super excited for it.
Do you like hamlet, hamlet?
yeah the like a new, like thestory in general.
Yeah, yeah, are they making thenorthman?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
oh, yeah is the original story from icelandic
lore, all right that hamlet'sbased off of.
All right, I'll have to watchit.
Uh, a lot of people went intothe northman and they thought it
was just going to be big warmovie, big viking fighting tons
of other vikings or knightsmovie, and it's very small in
scale because the original storyis very small.

(01:15:02):
You know, it's very uh containedin a icelandic viking culture,
yeah and so, but it's reallygood, I really enjoyed it, and
it's also one of those moviesthat has like a very fine line
that gets crossed betweensupernatural and reality kind of

(01:15:23):
that standard viking stuff, youknow, yeah, yeah uh, and willem
dafoe farts in it and it'shilarious, he farts in it, yeah,
but I really enjoyed it.
Uh, it was a movie that billyjean did not enjoy much, but I
really.
I liked all of robert egger'smovies so far.
The witch easily the mosthorrifying one.
The witch is insanelyunsettling and scary easily the
most scared I've ever beenwatching.

(01:15:44):
A uh movie about witches,because I usually think witches
are dumb, right, but the thewitch scared me.
And then, um, the lighthousemade.
The lighthouse was the moviethat I saw that made me think um
, what's our boy robertpatrickson?
no, patrick robertson no, dudewho played our other favorite

(01:16:06):
vampire, edward.
Oh, yeah, yeah, right robertpattinson yeah yeah, uh, the
lighthouse was the movie I sawwith robert pattinson.
That made me think, oh, robertpattinson is actually a really
good actor and I kind of likehim a lot.
Um, and that was before thenewest batman movie too.
So, oh, yeah, um, but anyways,uh, great movies, great, great,

(01:16:28):
uh, set up a what is it?
Great pedigree?
He's got so far robert aggers.
I'm excited to see what hecomes out with next too.
For sure, I think he just does alot of horror because horror.
It's very easy to tell oldstories that have been around
for a long time because a lot ofthem are horror.
It's very easy to tell oldstories that have been around
for a long time because a lot ofthem are horror ones.
But I genuinely think he justhas a fascination and
appreciation for, like, very oldtales of humanity.

(01:16:49):
Yeah, so with that hope, ken,that you enjoyed everything,
please grab a chapel of ghouls Ithought it was just singular
chapel of ghouls from, uh, truebrewery again, I mean, we're not
really sponsored by them, but,heck, we love their beer and
it's pretty good.
Um, and check out nosferatu.

(01:17:12):
If horror is your thing, giveit a watch.
If you don't like horror, maybe, like, wait until you have
someone else to watch it withright.
Yeah, all that said, thanks forjoining us, pat.
Anything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Until next time.

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