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The assassination of Charlie Kirk marks a dark moment in American political discourse, where words were met with bullets rather than debate. In this raw, emotional episode recorded just hours after the shooting, we process our shock and grief while examining the disturbing implications for free speech and democracy.

The tragedy at Utah Valley University wasn't just the murder of a conservative commentator – it represents an attack on the very foundation of how we resolve differences in a democratic society. We analyze the available footage showing the shooter positioned on a nearby rooftop, discuss eyewitness accounts, and express concern over the manhunt for the perpetrator who remained at large when we recorded.

What makes this event particularly troubling is the immediate polarized response. While many Americans from across the political spectrum condemned the violence, social media revealed disturbing celebrations of Kirk's death. We wrestle with the moral implications of such reactions and what they say about our collective humanity. "They killed the dude who was always against violence as a means of resolving disagreements."

In these divided times, we must remember that political differences, however passionate, cannot justify violence. As we close with reflections on faith and legacy, we're reminded of Kirk's own words about how he wished to be remembered – for the courage of his convictions and his faith. Join us for this somber but necessary conversation about where we go from here.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
this is a dude.
I watch um called meet kevinand uh, he mostly follows and
goes over like stocks and allthat stuff.
But he was the first person Isaw who had this footage playing
back over and it showedessentially and he did this so

(00:24):
fast too, with the Trump likeassassination attempt shooter
and like where he would have hadto been positioned and like the
range.
He's the first channel I sawthat posted this video from
inside of the building that wasbehind Charlie Kirk and you can
see out the windows as thecamera's panning and they're

(00:46):
looking at the crowd run away.
You can see this guy on thisroof running, or a girl, I don't
know who.
It is right, but there's alsohe's got footage of students
recording a guy who hopped onthe roof and ran over before the
shooting happened.
So, anyways, it's a supersomber evening that we're doing

(01:11):
this recording.
We just found out that CharlieKirk has been assassinated.
He was killed and he was shotwhile speaking at an event at
Utah Valley University at aroundlike 12, 10 pm today.

(01:31):
It's a pretty horrible thing.
I don't think I have much.
I don't think I have much like.
I'm honestly at a loss forwords because this is something
that is so, I guess, feelspersonal and that you know I

(01:59):
didn't necessarily agree withCharlie Kirk on everything.
I didn't necessarily alwaysapprove of his approach or his
perspective, but I alwaysthought that he was like a
morally good dude.
I always thought like his basisfor his arguments was in like
moral righteousness and moralreasoning and ultimately based

(02:20):
in scripture and um.
You know, I never saw himreally cuss out anyone.
I saw him, you know, getintense and heated and I think
there's times where I thought hewas insulting and, you know,
could like kind of damaged hisum stance or uh argument when

(02:40):
debating people.
But overall I always thoughtlike he had a much better moral
foundation than like stephencrowder, right, who did very
similar stuff, right of likechanged my mind um and uh.
I also really appreciate thatcharlie kirk didn't ever leave
any alluding to like why he hadthose views and it was always
rooted in like his, hischristian faith, um, and he was

(03:05):
a dude who, you know, finishedthe finished the race dude.
Like there's no scandals thatcame about him about beating his
wife or having an affair or howhe, you know, was a weird perv
and groped a bunch of peoplewhen he was in college or
whatever, right you know, likethere's nothing that ever came
out that was really bad pressabout the dude.

(03:27):
Just people hated what he had tosay, people hated that his
opinion on things didn't alignwith theirs and it was
inflammatory and contradictory,and that he wasn't afraid to
speak his mind and what hebelieved.
And you know, he was a verystaunch advocate for, uh, the
nuclear family and the return toJudeo-Christian values as a

(03:50):
priority for, like the nation.
I don't think he, I don't thinkhe believed that we had to have
a Christian government, but Ido believe, from like what I saw
in stuff for his arguments,that he wanted, uh, the, the
morality of judeo-christianvalues to return, such as, like

(04:10):
you know, a society that valueschastity, a society that values,
you know, um, being celibate,being chivalrous, a society that
, like, values women in women'sroles, men in men's roles, a
society that abhorred abortion,and all that is super

(04:34):
inflammatory today and Iunderstand how it can be
offensive.
I watched a lot of his stuffand I did not necessarily really
like the guy, um, in the way oflike, oh yeah, chart, like
charlie kirk, he's, he's the man, dude, he knows it all and he's
, he's always, uh, you know,speaking what I think.

(04:56):
More after than that, I was like, yeah, I kind of, I think he's,
I think he's more really soundin his argument.
I just wish he would be a littleless aggressive, maybe, and I
also wish that he wouldn't allowhimself to kind of get baited
into like back and forth insultswith someone, but you know who
doesn't do that on both sides,right?

(05:17):
So, anyways, all that said, itwas really saddening to me when
I saw him, uh, assassinatedtoday and you know, pat and I,
uh we were talking about beforewe started recording and how
that video, even though I'veseen tons of videos and photos

(05:39):
of, and I've seen real deadpeople in real life and I've
seen people, seen people wellpast death decaying and I've
seen people go from life todeath and, um, man, there was
just something about seeing himget shot mid you know speaking

(06:02):
point and how you knew it wasover so fast.
Um, and uh, dude, I think it wasso unsettling because it was
one of those things where, likeI've, I think we've gotten so
comfortable though the forum oflike, yeah, this is how it works
in america, like people getinflammatory about things,
people get upset, they try tointerrupt, they try to be rude,

(06:22):
they, you know, they mob up on acampus and they, you know,
break shit and start fires.
But they're not going aroundshooting people in the face for
speaking, for for speaking justthings they don't like to hear.
But like and charlie kirk neverwas the one that threatened
violence, he was always the onewho said, like, we're not going
to resort to violence and he hewas never the dude who was like

(06:46):
he.
Never even he spoke Right.
He shared his opinions and hisbeliefs and backed him up with
arguments, but never was anargument like OK, well, then I
guess we'll kill you.
Or OK like, well, if you can'tsee reasoning, then I guess
we'll just, you know, remove youfrom society and kill you.
Like.
He never used threat, even ofthreatened violence or alluded
to violence, and so for someoneto think that what he said was

(07:09):
justification for murder and tokill him is insanity and I was
saying offline, but I think I'mfine with saying it here and I
don't really care how peoplefeel about it.
I really do do feel like thisis the equivalent to seeing our
like generations, you knowexercise of freedom of speech

(07:31):
being gunned down, and I dothink it will have the same
amount of maybe not like aholiday and stuff, but I do
think it could potentially havethe same level of catalyzm for
how our government goes forwardand how people go forward as
like mlk and I do think like mlkjr and his assassination, while

(07:53):
I do believe mlk was like alarger figure and a figure that
was um less uh, divisive inreview than Charlie Kirk, maybe
I truly do think, like becauseof how connected the world is

(08:13):
now and how hundreds ofthousands of people saw Charlie
Kirk die before media couldcensor it and twist it to
whatever narrative they wanted,and like people saw the raw
footage of him dying and beinggunned down and got to make
their informally their ownreactions to it, before anyone
could be told like, hey, this ishow you should feel about this.

(08:35):
And the fact that it isindisputably clear that it
wasn't him being shot, rightafter saying, and we should
round up all the people whodidn't vote for Trump and kill
them, or we should just put allthe immigrants in gas camps.
It wasn't anything remotelyinflammatory.
And he dies, he's murdered.

(08:59):
I do think that will have thehistorical catalyzm for our
generation.
The same way, seeing those otheryou know people before and
previous generations be murderedfor exercising free speech, I
don't know man.
I don't know how you can thinkthis is a good thing.

(09:20):
And there's people dancing andcrying tears of joy that he's
been murdered and they're doingit very obviously and blatantly
on social media.
Uh, so many people celebratingthat he's been murdered and shot
and gunned down and everyonejustifying it that like he was
inciting violence against themand that he was a mouthpiece for
violence.

(09:41):
And I just don't.
I don't know what's next.
I don't know what's next and Icertainly do not want it to be
tit for tat.
I certainly do not want anormalization of assassinations.
Just because we don't like whatpeople have to say, don't like

(10:08):
what people have to say, um, butman, they killed.
They killed the dude who wasalways against violence as a
means of resolving disagreementsand he was really honestly the
rights, like main man on stage.
For, hey, we may disagree andwe may have fundamentally, we
may have fundamentally differentperspectives, but I don't think

(10:29):
it's okay for me to hurt you orkill you, um, just because we
disagree, just like I don'tthink it's okay for you to hurt
me or kill me because wedisagree.
And then they shot and killedthat guy.
So what's next?
Like, what does that say toeveryone else who was waiting
patiently, like, who was like,all right, we're not going to
get involved unless they throwthe first stone and, dude, it's

(10:52):
thrown, man, and I don't knowhow there's not going to be
retaliatory stuff.
I don't know how there's notgoing to be reactionary things,
um, I pray to god, there isn'tany, and I certainly don't
condone any, but I just, man, Isaw it and I was just like, how

(11:12):
do we win from this?
How do we resolve this?
So, anyways, everyone that is,if you're listening to this and
you're like, who is Charlie Kirk, I ask you to make sure you
look up and read stuff online,but do not watch any videos.
If there's videos or anythinglike that, don't watch them,

(11:33):
because even some news outletshave been getting, uh,
dangerously close to exposingpeople to very, very graphic
content.
Like the videos have not beencensored.
Well, yeah, I will say that forsure, like as someone who saw
the raw footage first and wastraumatized by it, and then saw
even the censored footage andwas like holy shit, like they're

(11:54):
not even cutting away like theyusually do, pausing the camera.
Um, don't watch it, don't, youdon't need to see it.
I can tell you this I'm fuckedup, I'm not okay.
I'm so not okay that whenBillie Jean tried to comfort me,
she didn't know what to do.
She, honestly, was trying toconsole me and I was just

(12:20):
honestly shocked, and I've neverbeen shocked from violence like
that.
I usually can see it andcompartmentalize it, and I've
never been shocked from violencelike that.
I usually can see it andcompartmentalize it and I'm
pretty messed up.
And again, I say all this issomeone I know the third time I
was saying it.
I wasn't his biggest fan, right?
I didn't worship the guy.
I was certainly probably evenleaning on, like disagreeing

(12:41):
with the most of the time.
But I did get to see him inperson and in fact, I was going
to go tomorrow to see him inperson because he was going to
be here in our town tomorrow.
He was going to be heretomorrow, tomorrow, and I was
going to go see him with acouple buddies, not because we
wanted to see Charlie Kirk, butbecause we wanted to be there to
talk to other people presentand have conversations and

(13:01):
exercise that healthy form ofengagement where we can talk
here and it's safe and no one'sgetting attacked, no one's
getting hurt.
And uh, that was what it waslike the first time I saw him
here back in 2019 and to nowknow like one, it's weird, to
like have been planning on itand talking about it with
friends and now it's over and Iand like I'm realizing like not

(13:24):
only did they kill Charlie Kirk.
But they killed our opportunityto have that.
And I wonder how many otherpeople feel like, oh, they
didn't just shoot Charlie, butthey shot our opportunity to
have a democratic forum ofconversation.
Because, I certainly will saythis, I personally don't feel
safe going on to a collegecampus and openly discussing my

(13:46):
views, not saying like I thinksomeone's like looking around to
shoot the next person whoutters a word of it.
Right, but you and I both wentto the same university man and I
will say I think the precedentof Charlie Kirk getting shot
justifies a lot of people intheir mindset of like shooting
the next street preacher,preacher who goes on campus
saying crazy shit.
Um, yeah, anyways, I got somevideos and stuff here pulled up

(14:13):
that we can go through for likethe latest updates, um, but I
just went, invented andprocessed a lot out loud and I
want to give pat an opportunityto kind of process a little bit
and I hope I didn't say anythingdumb and let me know if I did.
If I said anything, you knowthat maybe I miscommunicated or

(14:33):
anything, because I certainlyfeel like I covered everything
that I wanted to.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, no, I mean, I think that also, when we've done
like, we've talked about otherevents, like the day of or the
day after they've happened, likebefore, everything's kind of
like dust has settled or thingshave come out on them, and I
think that in general, like weare, there's a form of this

(15:01):
where we're not reporting onsomething necessarily right, we
are like giving our thoughts,and where we're not reporting on
something necessarily right, weare like giving our thoughts
and what we're going through,and and like the, uh, yeah, like
the.
And as we go, like later on, wemay get into like speculation of
certain things or whatever, andlike, um, all, that's all, just
this is just two guys sitting,kind of, you know, just breaking

(15:22):
breaking down, processing,going through something you know
, and so you know all the factsprocess and going through
something you know, and so youknow all the facts aren't in the
details, aren't in, and like,if we get into speculation or if
we get into assumptions andstuff, it's just us, you know,
thinking through what we've seen, you know just happened a few
hours ago and yeah, I think thatmy whole day's been since I

(15:43):
found out is, yeah, I've been ina off mood, which is I was know
and maybe there was also aschool shooting today.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
It was.
It was a terrible day and itwas one of the worst days and
it's like perfectly in vain forSeptember.
It's like September and Aprilare the worst months.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
They are.
And you know, what'sinteresting was I was thinking
through unfortunately, hopefullyin this school shooting,
everybody's still alive as faras at this time, but they could.
I mean they're in criticalcondition.
Things could happen, they couldbe, you know, their lives could
be ruined, changed whatever,from physical or trauma,

(16:24):
whatever.
So it's a horrible, horriblething.
And yet I was thinking throughjust me personally and I was
like it's crazy how maybe it'sjust because have I just become
desensitized to the news reportsof school shootings, right or
whatever, like versus theCharlie Kirk thing is really

(16:45):
like what has upset me the mosttoday, even though, like the
other thing is children and youknow, horrible.
And maybe if I'd also seen thevideo up close, where you know,
because the video that we sawwas 10 feet away from him, you
know, and it was just like andit was very um, it's super

(17:05):
graphic and and super fast andyou just knew that he was dead
when it happened.
It was just like.
It was like what the heck justhappened, you know, and so the
it was super upsetting and likejust it put me in this mood of
um, I think, uh, I felt a lot ofemotions.
I felt I I was like just upset,stunned, couldn't believe it

(17:26):
was real.
It was like, um, I felt kind offeel angry about some stuff too
.
I feel, um, and then on like a,on a micro level, I'm like man,
this guy's wife and kids andfriends, like super upset about
that.
And then, on a broad level, I'mlike, oh, the freaking country,
like this, this is not good.
And because one of the firstthings I thought too was like,

(17:47):
well, you know, there's going tobe people today celebrating
this.
You know it's like, and howmessed up that, uh, how far
we've devolved and gotten towhere, like you know, uh, jfk
assassination, like pretty sure,there's probably no school the
next day.
And there there wasn't a bunchof people spouting off like man,
he got what he deserved.

(18:07):
You know they're like, you knowwell, to people like that, it's
the problem with the world andthat's why a good thing I don't
think that was you know the vibe.
But everybody has a platform,everybody has a spot to spout
off and speak on, and so, youknow, from the small level down
to his family and his kids, allthe way up to, ok, the country,
the state of the country, thatsort of thing was just like, so

(18:30):
it has me rocketing between thethe 10 foot view up to the
30,000 foot view, and so that'salso part of like what I'm
processing through and thinkingthrough, like where are we at as
a nation, man, this sucks forthis guy.
Like, I know people who knowhim, you know, or like whatever,
like it's just like.
So you just go um and, uh, Ithink that, yeah, the video was

(18:52):
very stunning because, yeah,whatever you see, you know cctv
video of a bank robbery.
Somebody gets shot and fallsover, oh yeah, okay, the guy
bleeds on floor, dies okay, butthis was just like.
I think it was like also the uh, he, it was it.
I guess you didn't know whatwas it gonna happen.

(19:12):
Like you know what's about tohappen when you're watching the
bank robbery thing, whatever,this was just like, oh, it's
charlie kirk speaking, like hedoes, and then every youtube
video I've seen of him, and then, um, just the finite life.
And you knew, when you saw it,you knew he was dead.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Like yeah, because I think too, it's like one of the
things where you can tellseveral things.
One like I don't think we'vegotten desensitized to school
shootings.
I think the difference is, likewhat?
What makes me upset aboutschool shootings is, of course,
that someone would think it'sokay to go and hurt children
that way, and guess what, everysane person feels that way too,

(19:52):
on both sides of the aisle.
What's what's gross about schoolshootings?
And I think what is distractingis that everyone uses it as a
narrative for either you know,taking gun rights away or you
know whatever other kind ofpolitical or like a lot of
people are.
Oh well, we need to puteveryone who you know is could

(20:14):
potentially be a school shooterin loony bins and lobotomize
them.
And both of those perspectivesare just like exhaustingly
disappointing, because you'relike no, neither of those are
going to solve, probably rightnow, the the true core issue of
like we have a mental healthissue in this country where
people are able to justify goingand harming children or you

(20:37):
know other mass shootings, rightand so.
And we also don't get on redditand see people celebrating the
death of children.
You know what I mean.
Like I've never been on redditor social media or youtube and
seen someone celebrating themost recent school shooting, so
I think it's a different in thatway.
At the same time, too, man,like, yeah, like no one's ever
gonna show us the footage ofkids getting shot, you know,

(21:00):
into schools and stuff, like andthank god, I don't need to see
that.
But dude, seeing you seecharlie, and when he gets shot,
man, there's no, there, there'sno point where he gets to react,
there's no point where, like,he is shot and the way his body
responds to that is someonewho's lights out pretty quick

(21:25):
and, um, I think that's perhapswhat it is, because it is so
shocking and it is so uh,jarring, um, and that, combined
with people celebrating thatkind of thing people people
rejoicing in it just makes yourealize like holy you are.

(21:46):
You are so evil, like you are sorobbed of moral compass, like
you have no moral compass.
Um, what?
What it was, I will say.
What gave me a lot of hope forhumanity was that I was on
reddit and the one sub that wasrepetitively over and over
saying like, hey, I didn't likethem, but let's not celebrate.

(22:08):
Hey, this is a horrible thing.
Hey, I didn't like him, but youknow what?
Let's not, you know, celebratethe murder of someone.
It's a sad thing.
It was the subreddit called rslash teenagers.
It was mostly teenage kids inthis subreddit saying like, hey,
it's pretty messed up thatanyone is celebrating him being

(22:31):
dead.
And most of the comments wereother teenagers like, yeah, this
is really scary to me.
I'm terrified.
Like why are people celebratingthis?
Why do I see like people whoare like my teachers and my
parents celebrating and rejoice?
Like it makes no sense, likethis is wrong and so there's?
Like I saw that I was like okay,so like the youth isn't
brainwashed into thinking likethis is a good thing and in fact

(22:52):
, they're so self-aware thatthey can observe adults behaving
this way and be like yeah, okay, I might not, as a as a
teenager trying to figure lifeout, agree with anything this
person's saying, but, holysmokes, like you're a monster
for dancing around and cheeringthat he was killed, that he was

(23:14):
murdered, um.
So, anyways, um, I kind of wantto go through a couple things
here of footage wise, um, and Iwas just gonna share here with
you, pat, and maybe you can putit in the the edit of the pod
just clips from these videos oflike what you know we're
referencing.
But there's a couple differentthings, um, and there's a good

(23:36):
chance we're gonna cut things umin and out in this just because
of, um, their videos whereother people are talking about
stuff and narrating it.
So I would say like, uh, justbear with us, as we kind of try
to make sure we get you the mostsuccinct information and kind
of the most um, valuablespeculation we can kind of

(23:57):
provide here, um, as of rightnow, unless, pat, you're seeing
something else no yeah as ofright now, no one is in custody.
I I haven't seen no it that theythey do not have um anybody, at
least that nothing's beenreported, nothing like that um
there has been two people thatwere taken into custody and they

(24:24):
have both been released, and socurrently there is no one in
custody and, as far as I couldtell that, there's not even a
lead person of interest rightnow.
Are you seeing anythinganywhere about a lead person of
interest?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
I'm not seeing anything out there.
They have Nothing's been beeneverything I've looked up
there's.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
there's just been diddly so we got a guy in the
wind, yeah, or a gal in the wind, which is crazy because of how
fast they were able to deal,like identify.
Now, granted, there's a lotmore security for the Trump
shooting Right, the attemptedassassination, but that, you

(25:11):
know, I would say, was somethingthat we felt like there was a
lot more quicker response on.
So, anyways, I'm going to, I'mgoing to start going through
this video here and I can, I cansend it to you if you want to
try to go through it with me atthe same time, pat, or do you
just want to listen?
I'll just listen in yeah.

(25:33):
But anyways.
So this is from Liberal HiveMind.
He's cranking out crazy amountsof videos on this shooting and
just breaking down information,probably just going to skip
around the stuff.
That's like just um ranting,because you can rant sometimes
about stuff and just try to getlike images and perspective of

(25:53):
the shooting welcome to theliberal hive mind.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yada, yada, you know, I gotta tell you I started off
this morning a little bit low onenergy, but now obviously I
think it goes without sayingI've found a little bit of
motivation here.
Carly kirk thing.
But first I want to clear upsome confusion because obviously
misinformation spreads fast inmoments like these.
It was a clearly andunderstandably chaotic scene and
initially people online weresharing clips of a man being

(26:17):
arrested at the event,handcuffed, led away.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
So in that clip they're hauling off this older
guy in a blue shirt whoapparently claimed I guess, from
what I'm understanding rightafter the shooting claimed to be
the shooter.
So the police immediatelygrabbed him and arrested him and
there was no gun, of course, onthe guy.
But ironically, some people didresearch this guy his name was
like michael malice or michaelmalindome or something like that

(26:49):
.
I got I can't remember.
Um, I was reading about himearlier today, but apparently he
had made bomb threats at otherprevious like uh, utah or
university of utah events, um,back in like 2019 and stuff, and

(27:11):
he was like a registeredDemocrat and he had said some
pretty extremist language beforeand now, as they're dragging
him away, he's saying shoot me,shoot me.
So it really seems like I doubtthat he's actually connected to
the real shooter.
I doubt that he's actuallyconnected to the real shooter,

(27:33):
but it seems like he was anagitator and not in favor of
what Charlie Kirk was talkingabout and therefore, after the
incident, maybe he legitimatelytried to disrupt the police
investigation because he was infavor of the assassination.
A lot of people are theorizing,without any credible evidence
right now, that he knew theshooter and this was planned.
If that was the case, theywouldn't have released him.
You know what I mean.

(27:53):
If that was the case, theywouldn't have released him.
Maybe they would do it to try tohoneypot the shooter and see if
this guy connects with himsomewhere, but I really don't
think they would, but anyways.
So the police say, as they'redragging him away, they say,
like we don't know if he's theshooter, get back, because you
know the guy's telling everyoneto shoot him or kill him.

(28:14):
Right, the police are trying tomake sure no one actually does
anything to him while they're,while he's in their custody had
reputable outlets kind ofalluding to that fact, claiming
the suspect was in custody.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Obviously, this went viral and spread all over social
media.
But a few hours ago, policehave confirmed that he is in
fact, not the shooter.
We don't yet know thecircumstances as to why he was
apprehended.
Maybe he said something, maybehe did something.
We don't know what role heplayed or why he was detained.
But the fact is simple he wasnot the person who pulled the
trigger.
I urge everybody to take thatseriously, to acknowledge it and
leave this man alone.
Despite the fact is simple hewas not the person who pulled
the trigger.
I urge everybody to take thatseriously, to acknowledge it and

(28:47):
leave this man alone.
Despite the fact that peoplehave identified him and
connected him to a previouscrime, in this particular case
there's no confirmed connectionand some people have been
spreading false accusations.
So let's get that out of theway right off the bat and now
let's move into what we actuallyknow.
So we do now finally haveconfirmed videos of the shooter.
We have two videos in fact.
I'll go ahead and play thoseGet right up.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, you think he'd already be in place, all right.
So this right here is kind ofwhat I want to show you.
Pat, too, this is footage ofstudents from well outside the
event recording this guy afterhe's gone onto a roof and he
kind of shows how the guy got onthe roof.

(29:31):
Yeah, it looks to me likeyou're watching it.
Wait, tilt that over to me.
Oh no, that's the one frominside the building.
That's the one that I wastalking about, where they show
him moving.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Of the shooter.
We have two videos in fact.
I'll go ahead and play those.
Get right up, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
You think he'd already be in place?
He would think that that's theguy up on the roof laying in
place and getting ready and theyshow they're like yeah, he
hopped on this fence over here.
Over my finger.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
From over there, ran in, and now he's right there
Just saying yeah, and thenhere's the footage that shows
him moving across the roof.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
So on the first clip you can see an individual
perched up on top of the rooftop.
In the distance the individualseems to be wearing black from
head to toe, significantly farback on top of a roof, and this
is eyewitness of the suspect,clearly in a position to shoot.
I got to tell you I'm a littlebit frustrated with the fact
that once again there's asuspicious individual on a roof
during one of these events in aclear shooting position and

(30:36):
police weren't called, and veryfrustrated that all out
pandemonium didn't break outthere, but rather people just
filming and saying, oh look, asuspicious individual.
But I guess you can't blamepeople for not doing everything
they should have.
And then in that second videoyou see a shot being fired, or
you hear the shot being fired.
Chaos erupts, the entire crowddrops to the ground and then
right there you can see a smalllittle body.

(30:59):
Maybe we'll zoom in and play itas I'm speaking here.
You see a tiny little blackspeck pop up, spring up and
start bolting from that position.
Well, that was very clearly theshooter, and these two clips
that are now surfacing onlineare the only two confirmed
videos of the shooter.
So now we have some confirmedinformation.
Let's talk about what weactually know.
We can pull up satellite images, aerial photos of the Utah

(31:20):
Valley University campus and,from what we can gather it seems
, the individuals on thisbuilding right over here.
This building is known as theLosey Center at Utah Valley
University and if we zoom in onthe Google Maps, it's where the
UVU Career Development Center,the UVU Women's Success Center
and the UVU Veteran SuccessCenter is.
Just add as much detail aspossible Now.
I think we can definitelyconfirm that this is the

(31:41):
building.
If we take a side-by-side hereand just look at the
architectural structure of thisbuilding, you can tell that it
pretty much lines up one-to-one.
You'll see the shooter perchedand there's multiple levels,
that kind of step upwards.
The sidewall also seems to beroughly the same color.
An orange is red stone or brick, and Fox News is reporting that
this was roughly 200 yards awayfrom where Charlie Kirk was

(32:02):
posted during the event 200yards, which, for people who
aren't, lots of people aresaying this is like a pro sniper
shot.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Right, I'm like dude that's.
I do that sleeping.
Yet the other this Saturday Iwas doing just dot on my pistol
and I was doing back to back 100yard shots with my pistol.
So it's like one of thosethings where, yes, you would,
you would probably be apracticed marksman to understand

(32:31):
, like how to hold for 200 yardshot and like you'd have to have
had a weapon zeroed for it.
But this is not like.
Something like this is probably.
This is not a reason to believethat it's some kind of Mossad
agent.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You know, what.
I mean.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like this is not a a government super secret spy
assassination.
Like anyone with a weekend oftime could learn how to shoot
very consistently at 200 yardsaccurately.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
What were you going to say?
I'm going to say the same thing, cause, yeah, there are a lot,
there's lots of speculation thatyou know lot.
There's lots of speculationthat you know it was a um more
professional type hit orsomething.
People say it's um, you knowgovernment conspiracy stuff and
these things.
Um, so, yeah, the you know, for200 yard shot it's uh something
that can be done.
Um, and it's uh, it's somethingthat, yeah, not not a lot of

(33:25):
training needs to be done to dothat.
It doesn't have to be aprofessional.
Could have been, who knows,could have been anybody is the
point.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, I will say this .
You would be hard-pressed tofind someone who has spent an
hour or two shooting a rifle,not able to make this shot, I
will say it's not an old person,most likely.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, we're not looking at an old dude on the
rooftop, I think by the waythey're climbing up there and
the way they are moving, youknow.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Especially from what I heard.
They hopped a fence to get upthere and stuff.
I do think that they're like,if you compare it to the
attempted Trump assassination,where the shooter missed him or,
I guess, nicked his ear, Ithink that I think it's it's

(34:19):
more insane that that guy missedat a similar range than would
it be insane if he hit right.
So like that, all that said,it's easier to make the shot
than it is not for most peopleis kind of what I want to leave
people with the impression of no, for sure start with this new
statement from utah valleyuniversity we had a speaker,

(34:40):
charlie kirk, invited by astudent group shots were fired
immediately for the rest of theday.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
News, new information , the new this is basically what
the scene would look like fromthe perspective of this heinous
murderer it's about.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
It's about a 375 foot distance from the corner of the
building to where Charlie was.
So 375 feet actually, justunder 200 yards, honestly.
Like 150 yards, right 150,because it's like three feet and

(35:14):
a yard.
So like 375 is roughly probably125, 150 yards.
So it's definitely under 200yards, so it's actually even not
under 200.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
naturally, people are already jumping to conclusions
and making assumptions.
There's claims that this had tohave been a professional hit by
a trained sniper, maybe even astate level operation or foreign
state operation.
Now I understand why peoplewould jump to that conclusion.
It does look precise, it lookedcalculated, but I don't think
we should get carried away justyet.
A 200 yard shot with a highcaliber rifle is not necessarily

(35:49):
impossible.
It doesn't take a Navy SEAL orCIA assassin to make that happen
.
With basic training, patienceand a decent rifle, I think that
distance is achievable even for, you know, somebody who's more
casually trained.
But again, I don't blame peoplefor asking questions, because
I'm sitting here asking allkinds of questions.
Firstly, how is this allowed tohappen?
How does someone once againmanage to?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Again, dude.
It's just the question of like,why was there no one reporting,
like the fact that people sawit and no one, I mean before
this kind of stuff.
Imagine we were on campus atthe college we went to and you
saw someone hopping up andlaying flat on a rooftop.
Like you can't tell me youwouldn't think about calling the
police.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Oh yeah, and especially and then, especially
now after the Trump stuff, likesimilar to the Trump stuff.
Yeah, it's very yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Public venues.
But that right there basicallycovers all the physical details
as we know so far.
Um, yeah, I'm remainingfaithful that hopefully this
individual will be apprehendedsoon.
There must have been cameraseverywhere.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Someone must have noticed an individual walking
around in all black, glad gearwe don't have, like our
university has so many.
Oh yeah, so it's.
It's very hard for me tobelieve that like a campus like
this doesn't have cameraseverywhere that could catch this
person by their clothing andwhat they were doing, especially
seeing them coming onto campus.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Have any updates yet, but we do know that Kash Patel
was on this thing immediately.
The FBI was mobilized on scenepretty much right after the
shooting.
Police officers were already onscene and we're also getting
civilian footage showing themanhunt in progress.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
There are about six armed men in the backyard of a
home right next to you.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, this is just a lady recording off a porch.
Apparently they are looking foranother suspect.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Maybe another suspect has not been apprehended?

Speaker 4 (37:54):
That video shows heavily armed officers moving
through a suburban neighborhoodnear the university.
It seems they're scouring anearby forest.
We don't know if authoritieshave intelligence as to where
the individual is or where theysuspected the person to have
fled, but this is clearly amajor operation.
This is a full-blown manhunt,and not only is the FBI on every
single angle here, but so areinternet sleuths.
And here comes another point ofinterest, I guess you could say

(38:17):
A very, very suspicious onlinepost.
We've got an account here on Xwhich operates under the name
Omar, with the X handle readingas Najra Galves, not exactly
sure.
There has been an individualidentified, potentially
connected to the account.
It seems to be atrans-identifying individual,
but of course I'm not going toshow the photo just yet because

(38:40):
nothing is confirmed.
But basically, here's thesuspicious part.
Roughly 24 hours before theshooting this was posted on
Omar's account.
Quote Charlie Kirk is coming tomy college tomorrow.
I really hope someoneevaporates him literally and
then follows up by saying let'sjust say something big will
happen tomorrow.
So those are obviously notsmall words.

(39:00):
Could this possibly be theshooter himself telegraphing his
intent?
Could it be somebody withinformation, somebody close to
the shooter?
We don't know yet, but clearlythis is impossible to dismiss,
considering the timing, and Ican pretty much guarantee
Anyways.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think that also pretty much encapsulates the
other video I was looking at.
But yeah, I think the otherthing here I was gonna think
about was just I don't know ifwe need to go over it or not,
but I do find it insane that, uhlike, the response of people

(39:39):
just openly saying like okay,it's time to commit violence,
and I think that is shocking tome because I guess I'm still
under the impression that youknow, the more conservative, uh
political spectrum is a lotslower to committing violence.

(40:03):
You know, still even like, justlike, okay, like no violence
until someone's inflicting itupon me, right?
Um, and it's crazy.
Now, I was seeing, likeeverything that some people are
saying on Twitter and callingfor um, I was just going to go

(40:24):
through and read a couple ofjust like the reactions that
people have from, like I don'tknow who any of these people are
, but they're, you know, groupson Twitter.
While I'm pulling them up, Idon't know if you got anything
else you want to mention or addor anything you're reading about
here.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I was just seeing if any more videos had come out
since that of like the stuff,nothing actually reliable.
And the.
Yeah, I think it'll be.
It'll be very surprising, ifyou know, if we in some ways
very surprised if we can't findthis person.

(41:00):
Otherwise, some ways it mightwant someone who gets away from
a scene find this person.
Otherwise, some ways it might.
When someone gets away from ascene, it can take a while and,
uh, you know the if it in lotsof people are dumb enough to you
know they they post stuff, uh,about what they're going to do
before and all those things andso, um, I just think that, yeah,

(41:24):
we'll have to see when, evenover the next few days, I'm sure
tons of things are going tocome out about, you know, from
video footage and certain thingsand um, and there's a lot of
people running this down and Iwill say, whoever did this I
mean there's, whether they, like, really are true friends or not
, he's friends with every singleperson up in the White House,

(41:48):
like in the cabinet.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
You know what I mean yeah, Charlie Kirk helped Trump
pick his cabinet.
Yeah, and I don't think a lotof people grasp that, like
that's how influential he was.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, so that's you know the that person's going to
have a whole bunch of firepowerbeing thrown at finding that
person right now.
You know they're number onepriority for FBI and all that.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, and it's also like I mean on that note too
like a lot of people believedCharlie Kirk was going to be
president, like a lot of peoplebelieve that, like charlie
essentially was whipping up abunch of youth favoritism for
him that like he was.
He was very popular with peopleunder the age of 40.
Um, like he was the most likepopular conservative.

(42:38):
This is the thing that I thinkpeople don't get it's like,
because if you're not reallytuned into, like YouTube and
political culture and like the,the environment of you know how
millennials and Gen Z get themajority of their news.
Like Charlie Kirk was rated themost popular by a large margin

(42:59):
of like political activists.
Uh, among men under the age ofI think it was like 28 is what
the cutoff date was which amajority of that was men under
the age of 21.
And so people who weren't verysuper left-leaning already, most
of those young men, had afavorable view of Charlie Kirk.

(43:20):
And guess what, by the timeCharlie Kirk becomes old enough
to run for president, they wouldhave been a huge voting block.
And so I think there was like alot of people just are seeing
this and are like, wow, not onlydid we lose someone that you
know we approved of in regardsto like how they handled um,

(43:41):
expressing our opinions andpolitical views, but but I'm
seeing a lot of like outpouring,you know, mourning because
people were like, hey, we lostlike someone who's going to be a
great president, like someonewho was lined up to you know be
running for president in thenext couple terms.

(44:02):
So all that said some prettycrazy shit on the socials, right
?
Um, it is uh pretty sad herebut um, the Simsbury democratic
party, which is the officialSimsbury Connecticut Democrat

(44:23):
party Simsbury is a town inconnecticut.
Uh, on their blue sky socialhas said charlie kirk, who
advocates for guns everywhere,got exactly what he deserves.
What is an official politicalparty's perspective for, like
the city it serves?
That'd be like you know you'reliving in.
Essentially, figure outwhatever town you're living in

(44:45):
or county that's like the actualdemocrat or conservative party
for that area, coming out and belike yep, we should, you know
we should just kill peoplebecause they disagree with us
and it's good that we, it's goodthat they got killed.
You know what I mean?
It's.
It's an insane public stance fora public organization to take

(45:07):
yeah, I mean it's, it's sodisturbing it that um yeah and I
I will say this, like a lot ofpeople are drawing comparisons,
like we'll see, the right theright condones violence to the
the right condonesassassinations.
And a lot of people are talkingabout how there was that

(45:28):
Minnesota House ofRepresentatives woman and her
husband who were murdered intheir house and then that
assisting shooter shot anddidn't kill but shot the senator
in Minnesota and his wife,senator in minnesota and his

(45:49):
wife um, which was honestly avery weak comparison because one
everywhere I saw no one wascelebrating that I didn't see
any conservative or justnon-liberals celebrating that,
that assassination and attemptedassassination.
Everyone denounced it andeveryone said it was awful.
Also, though, investigationsinto that was like.
This guy was once a weirdevangel.
Evangel, evangel how do I saythat?

(46:09):
Evangelical?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
not evangelist.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Evangelist um, and had been a preacher in like
africa at one point, but also heworked as staff for both the
house of representative uh, thathe shot and killed and also was
on staff, I believe, for the,or his wife was on staff for the
Senator.
That was shot but not killed,and both of those politicians

(46:36):
were the only Democrats thatvoted against the bill.
Uh, that was for, uh, providinghealthcare, free healthcare for
illegal immigrants, for illegalimmigrants in Minnesota, and it
was like everyone else voted onparty lines, except for those
two.
They voted against it and it'swhy the bill didn't get passed.
So, honestly, a lot ofconservatives, rather than

(46:57):
celebrating on any of that oranything, were like, really
honestly, it seems like someonefrom the other side shot and
killed them who was disappointedthat they didn't vote along
party lines, and that's the mainnarrative I heard coming out of
that right, right, but that'sthe thing everyone's comparing
this to.
And it's a straw man, becauseI've never seen non-liberals

(47:19):
celebrating the attemptedassassination of anyone,
celebrating the attemptedassassination, you know, of
anyone I I even know on, like uh, social media.
I saw people joking about joebiden's cognitive state but one
of the most common things yousaw and the other, like circles
that were non-liberal ones, werelike this is sad, like hope he
hope he doesn't win and alsohope he gets help, like gets,

(47:40):
yeah, it gets, like he's got ityeah I hope he'll
enjoy his life and it's justcrazy that, like they, they do
think that it's not just themadvocating for this violence.
Um, there's just a lot ofcomments here from, I would
definitely say, like right wingto borderline right wing

(48:04):
extremist groups on twitter thatare just openly talking about
how, uh, the left hates us andthe left's gonna keep on trying
to kill us this is a show offorce and we need to uh, we need
to accept that nothing's gonnachange unless we are the bad guy
they want us to be.
Like just crazy, crazy stufflike that, which I mean I say

(48:25):
it's crazy.
I can understand why someone issaying that out of anger or
frustration or fear.
I don't condone it and I sayit's crazy because it's insane
that you'd be saying that onsocial media.
But I can understand what getssomeone to say something like
that.
That's the crazy thing too.
Someone says PNW Guerrilla,which is like a training group

(48:52):
out for Pacific Northwest, andthey try to get guys trained up
and be like a.
I don't think they'respecifically trying to make a
militia or anything like that,but their whole advocating is
being a dirty civilian who'strained up in skills so that way
, like you, don't have to relyon the government to take care
of you.
Uh, they have one saying likethis was a warning to show force

(49:15):
.
If they think someone asmoderate as charlie was the bad
guy, imagine what.
Who's coming next?
Um bowtied ranger.
No idea who this is.
I imagine he's not liberal saysthe right is slowly starting to
realize how serious the left is.
There's no debating thesepeople.

(49:35):
They simply want you dead.
You must unemotionally governthese lunatics with a boot on
their necks at all times.
Anything sure that will quiteliterally get you and your
family killed, like bro.
Insane escalation there likethat's.
That's advocating for umsegregated governance of

(49:55):
different populations based onpolitical beliefs.
Um, I did watch asmongold'svideo.
Do you know?
Asmongold is dude lives you,you know who Asmongold is.
Mm-hmm, dude lives, you know,never leaves his house.
Really, mm-hmm, he stepped awayfrom streaming like over a week
ago almost two weeks ago.
Mm-hmm.
Because his dad has pancreaticcancer.
He's like dude.
I got to spend as much timewith my dad and taking care of
him as I can.

(50:16):
I'm not going to be streaming.
He disrupted, you know reactionto this and he's, you know,
quoted as saying um, until itstarts happening to them, you
know, people on the left starthaving their friends or icons
killed.
Don't think it's going to bereal.
Like they don't think it'sgoing to be real.
Um, to their credit, turningpoint has literally only said

(50:40):
you know, join us in prayers andthat charlie had passed and
that we're mourning, you know,and canceling further future
events and, like the next week,no one's going to be required to
go into office while they mournin process.
Um, post malone responds tobrandon herrera, the ak guy,

(51:00):
saying they aren't going to likewhat comes next.
Fucking post malone.
He's charged up.
Um, I don't know who nikolai is.
He says it's clear they nolonger want to fight this battle
with words.
How can it be interpreted anyother way?
Uh, based matt jr says pleasebe careful on the campaign trail

(51:21):
, brandon.
We need to see people like youin congress.
That's true.
The ak guy I forgot is brandonherrera.
He's still running for congressagain and uh, just I think he
might be in a different districtnow um, but yeah, that's pretty
scary to imagine like someonelike him could be.
You know, going off greatgutfield dropped the F word in

(51:42):
response on Fox.
That was Andrew Tate, who Idon't think anyone should be
taking advice from Andrew Tate.
I certainly don't agree withanything that guy has to say.
All he says was civil war,walmart battle, orc.
Don't know who he is, but he'sgot a blue check mark.

(52:03):
Something we learned in Gwatmay become a lesson for the
nation Killing a leader, aspokesman or a figurehead
inevitably results in someonemore radical in their beliefs
taking that position.
You killed a dude who usedwords.

(52:24):
That I think is like darklyforeboding, like we killed bad
dudes who we thought were thehead of the snakes and in Gwatt,
you know, and none of thoseguys used words and only a more
sinister person or group came upafter them.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
What do you think is going to replace Charlie?
It's not good.
It'd be like the same thingLike if we do.
You know who Sam Piker is?
He's like a.
He's a huge.
He's Middle Eastern.
He's a Twitch streamer.
He's super inflammatory.
He's a millionaire from Twitchstreaming and deals and tours.

(53:00):
And he's also like a super biganti-capitalist communist and
everyone always gives him a hardtime.
He's like hasan you have agiant house with like 15
bedrooms and you're amillionaire.
Uh, why don't you share thatwealth and let people stay in
your room?
You know, why don't you housethe immigrants yourself?
Yeah, yeah, anyone gives him ahard time.
Dude, I despise hasan.

(53:21):
He's an awful person.
He is one of the people who liesa lot about stuff on social
media.
He's also the one who's verymuch often outspoken about it's
good for cops to die.
All cops are bad.
We should kill cops.
I wish Trump was dead.
We should kill Trump Stuff likethat.
Even if I disagree with him onwhat he's saying, I know if

(53:43):
someone killed Hassan, whatwould come in this place would
be a million times worse youknow what I mean and it'd be a
million times more radicalized.
Like killing the killing peopleyou disagree is is not a
solution.
Um, uh, more people saying ontwitter congratulations to the

(54:06):
left.
You just lost the civil warwith that move.
Uh, masculine millennial saysI'm just waiting on someone to
tell me where we are gathering,what the plan is.
Everyone knows it's time spikeguides says the government was
basically one shot.
Has the government hasbasically one shot to not fuck
this up before there is blood inthe streets.
People are mad.

(54:26):
People are so mad that they'reopenly Fed posting on the
timeline.
And Fed posting is essentiallyjust outright saying things that
are illegal, outright sayingI'm going to shoot people.
That is an illegal thing to sayand putting it on social media
will get you in trouble.
He continues on Kirk representedthe moderate Republican take

(54:48):
and was shot for it.
Yeah, andrew Tate again.
This is the turning point.
Usa People are freaking outthat Charlie Kirk was going to
be at their school tomorrow.
So a lot of local peopleprobably people who aren't even
pro-Kirk are just like holy fuck.

(55:09):
It makes the feeling of whatpeople were saying they're going
to do here at our school in ourtown a lot more real, because
it's like that could have beenhere tomorrow.
You know what I mean.
A lot of people, too, are alsolike this isn't to say
everyone's being insane, but alot of people have been very, I

(55:30):
think, sentimental in it, onboth sides, bipartisan-wise,
saying like hey, this is wrong.
I will give credit to GavinNewsom.
I think Gavin Newsom had atweet that was honestly the
perfect thing you could say as aDemocrat, liberal, politician,
politician, and he essentiallyjust said like this is awful,
this is not okay.
Never will I condone violenceagainst you know, for political

(55:52):
beliefs, and he never even madelike a argument.
He didn't say anything about.
This is why we need more guncontrol, or you know, this is
donald trump's.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
He didn't politicize it at all.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
He was like this is so bad, Do not do this.
This is not okay.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, and so many people on one side celebrating
it, making light of it, actingnonchalant like they could give
two flying rips about it.
And then on the flip side, yeah, people are, you know,
basically calling for wholesaleviolence where, um, it's just as

(56:32):
bad to be like, whateversomebody's gonna.
A someone on the left will bekilled politically motivated
from someone on the right atsome point.
And do you really want yourwhole camp to be like that?
Wasn't the spokesman for thewhole group?

(56:54):
right you know, like that wasn'tthe, that wasn't the head
leader of the wokies or the leftor the liberals or whatever.
Who, like you know who did that.
It's like the um, I don't thinkthey all got together and were
like, all right, like we'reorganized, we voted this guy and
he's gonna go kick it off.
You know it's no, it's someoneon the far fringe who made that

(57:18):
choice.
Um, now, in the same token, I'mnot wanting to.
You know, throw throw everybodyin the same token.
I'm not wanting to.
You know, throw throw everybodyin the same camp and different
things.
It is like when, from myperspective, when I do see that
it's 50, 50 on Twitter if yousearch his name straight, 50, 50

(57:39):
down the line of people sayingyou know, condolences, major
loss.
Down the line of people sayingyou know, condolences, major
loss, he was a great man.
Two people saying you know,making fun of it, making light
of it, being happy about it,throwing his words back in his
face.
The big thing that's going on,the big thing being thrown back
in his face would be he was pro2A he's pro gun ownership.

(58:07):
And being pro 2A doesn't meanyou're pro shooting people.
No, that's two different things.
But so they always want to saythat's like the same thing.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
So everybody's saying it's kind of like you're pro
not getting shot, yeah, you'repro, like no, I'm pro 2a.
So that way no one shootsanybody, because if everybody's
got a gun, everybody's going tobe thinking twice before
shooting someone else.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yep, yep and so the, uh, the, anyways, lots of people
are throwing these words backin his face um, and it's
disgusting and so.
But so when you, when you seepeople react in this disgusting
way to a tragedy, it makes yougo okay, um, now that group

(58:42):
doing that is just furthersolidifying the view of the
other side to say, okay, well, Iguess that violence is the
answer to this.
Right.
And it's a snowballing typething and I don't see it
snowballing out into, you know,people saying people throw
around things like civil war,like same way people throw

(59:04):
around words all the timethey're throwing the word Nazi,
they're on the word Holocaust,they're on the word civil war,
like World War Three, like as ifit's, you know, not even taking
two seconds to think aboutreally what the, what, the true
measure of that, that word orthat thing it would be, and
having no really understandingof what it would actually look

(59:26):
like to have a civil war inAmerica with 335 million people.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Right, it's honestly in my eyes mm-hmm.
The greatest sign of privilegeis someone on their phone in
their apartment room arguing forlike civil war.
Yeah, like we should.

(59:51):
Yeah, it's time we have this sowe can kill all the people who
we don't agree with.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Is it that bad?
Is it so bad in this world?
It's not.
In your life right now that youwant to go to war to make it
better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
And it's just like.
That's what I mean, though it'sso privileged that they are so
far removed from the realitiesof what that looks like.
They have no grasp on whatsaying that really means and
what that would be like.
They have no perspective.
The thing that scares me aboutcivil war is that there's a real
chance that in like a truecivil conflict in the us, a real

(01:00:30):
nation divided uh,balkanization right, all these
states trying to become theirown nations all of a sudden
because they all disagree witheach other and only some of them
agree, but that state's wayover there and it's just like
absolute chaos and fracturing.
That first week is a good chancethat even of those of us who

(01:00:52):
have thought about it and havedone a mild amount of
preparation, there's still aninsanely high chance that in
that first week we're going todie.
And if you think living in youknow, your super removed first
world, highly reliant ontechnology and infrastructure

(01:01:14):
city you're going to live in oneweek from the beginning of that
, you are out of your mind, dude, Like I don't think people
understand that when they're ina 10-story apartment complex let
alone we're talking skyscrapersin a city like New York that if

(01:01:37):
that grid goes down, there's agood chance some of you are
going to starve before you canget down the stairs.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Because, like, what do you do when someone panics
and the stairway gets, you know,starts being ran by people who
are extorting those who aretrying to get out for whatever
they're carrying?
What are you going to do when,if is like actual war in the
streets between you know, adivided military and concrete

(01:02:08):
collapse and blocks thatstairwell and you're 50 floors
up like there's not enough bedsheets for you to scale down?
Bud, I hate to tell.
To tell you like you're goingto die there, and not only that,
like you're going to realizewithin the first few weeks not
first few weeks, in the firstcouple days that concrete

(01:02:28):
buildings above ground high upin the atmosphere not in the
atmosphere, but like high upabove the ground are freaking
ovens and you're going to die ofheat stroke your cat's gonna
die and like, I'm serious dude,like people don't have a grasp
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Yeah, it's like do you all you people out there who
like having a cat, um, stopbeing excited about civil war?
There's no more cats.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
You have to eat your cat if infrastructure breaks
down because we have no truckinganymore, because it's not safe
for a truck driver to drivesupplies across state lines,
like your dog is going to die,your dog is not going to get
food, your kids could starve,like this is not anything anyone
wants.
It is an awful thing, and tosee people advocating for it

(01:03:17):
like just fills me with likeabsolute dread, because I just
don't think people have a truegrasp.
They're so far removed from ityeah, they just have.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
No, they have no idea what you're, what you're asking
for on that stuff, and andpeople on the people on both
sides also.
You know, okay, you know.
So that's what I'm saying onboth sides right, yeah, yeah.
So you know you're all bent outof shape, for this guy was
assassinated, understandably,but so it's time to just throw

(01:03:51):
into the last option, the finaloption to save something like no
, we're not too far gone to tobe able to, you know, still work
out differences, things.
And and then also, it's like,in the other perspective of some
of this would be uh, and youdon't think we, we are at civil
war.
It's just not a blood war, youknow it's.

(01:04:12):
We are at a we're at a divided,it's an ideal ideological war
that's being fought throughtweets and posts and, um, you
know, on the ground level, allthe way up to on the big level,
yes, things like assassinationsand or huge, um.
You know political maneuvers uh,new giant bills being passed,

(01:04:34):
or people getting into office,whatever it is, um media pushing
one thing or the other.
It is it, we're at war.
Now the trick is for us is tobe are we at war with our fellow
citizens?
Are we at war with, you know,evil and I see a lot of evil
lately and things like this too,which is this is this is evil,

(01:04:57):
and the celebration of its evil,the um, the titillation or
excitement of you know, time togo to Civil War is evil.
It is, yeah, you know.
And so it's yeah, the wholething's definitely put me at a
loss for today.
Just going, man, I got home andI was like it's in a bad mood

(01:05:20):
and my wife didn't understand.
I was like did you hear whathappened?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
she's like yeah you know, but like, like I don't
know, like, like, and I don'twant to scare billy jean by
trying to like make herunderstand the gravity like this
is a big deal and it's kind ofa big deal to me and I didn't
realize it was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
It was, like, you know, just a, it was a gut punch
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Very upsetting.
Yeah, I'm saying this off thetop of my head.
Right, here's what I hope for.
I hope for in a year from now,someone is making a Netflix
movie about this and it's goingto cover the manhunt, and
there's someone who's going toget an academy award for playing

(01:06:05):
charlie kirk, or someone who'sgoing to get an academy award
for a portraying the evil of theshooter, because if that's
happening, that means thisdidn't escalate into more.
If that's happened, if in ayear from now, a couple years
from now, hollywood is stillrunning its machine and, uh, you

(01:06:29):
know, it's at most documentedfor a lesson in history and a
drama movie, then that means,like those things still exist in
society here, is still civil,and that's what, honestly, like
I want to see.
I, because if that's nothappening, that means we're in a

(01:06:51):
really bad place and wedefinitely have a rift.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I mean, here's a video pop just popped up on here
of uh it's c-span of uh at inthe house floor, people you know
having a moment of prayer forcharlie kirk, and democrats
yelling no and disrupting itscreaming and stuff yeah and uh,
and uh, and then the speaker ofthe house is calling, and then

(01:07:16):
people yeah, exactly.
and then and then anotherrepresentative saying you caused
this.
I mean, the people up in thatroom can't get their stuff
together.
It is crazy.
Yeah, it is absolutely crazy.
You can't take one minute to go, even for your own self, even
for your selfish ass.
You're a politician.
You got to get up in front ofpeople and talk about views that

(01:07:38):
others disagree with.
You should be scared shitlessof this, whether which side
you're on enough to at leastpretend you care and get behind,
to shutting up for a second andthen, from a perspective of
humanity, this was a grosspublic and yeah, people die from
guns all the time.
It's, it's sad, it's horrible,but the public display of this

(01:07:58):
and the messaging of it issomething worth.
A lot of these people in theroom knew the guy, whether they
liked him or not.
Probably everybody in this roomknew who he was.
Yeah, you'd like to just shutyour someone you know he's
basically a colleague, whateveryou know, in the circles you ran
in, just like, shut your mouthand take a moment of silence and

(01:08:19):
a moment of prayer for a youngguy, young dad, who just got
assassinated.
You know it's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Which is like why I still like even though I find
Gavin Newsom reprehensible, Icommend him and his response and
not feeding into it, right, andbecause I do think Gavin newsom
probably saw that and was like,oh, like, is this going to be

(01:08:45):
the thing that someone uses asan excuse to commit political
violence against me or one of myyou know fellow democrats?
And I think that's like thethought that everyone
politically needs to be having,like, if you're a senator or
congressman, like you need to be, rather than celebrating this,
you need to be condemning it foryour own safety yep the yeah,

(01:09:09):
those, all those people up inthat room.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
They need a reality check.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's absolutely crazy.
That's frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I mean I'll lit up seeing that come through here.
Yeah, and there's just so manythings right now here that I'm
seeing are just on my YouTubefeed, essentially people
memorializing Charlie, like Isee one here from Mike Rowe,
from his time with him, douglasMurray, you, you know responding
and memorialization of him umtim pool.

(01:09:46):
On the timcast they have asigned poster for turning point,
signed by charlie they put itup in the background and they
reflected on how they had justhad him in the studio just a
year ago to have a civil debatewith, uh, this other like very
far left streamer called voshand guess, no one, no one

(01:10:08):
threatened each other in thatwith violence or anything and
it's just crazy that like that'sgone.
now I do think we're gonna see aradical shift, though like I
was talking about this with acouple of other guys, but I
think like the whole StevenCrowder changed my mind thing
that's gone.
That's gone in the open forumarea.

(01:10:29):
Like that might happen in likea in a room where there's
security, but that's I don'tthink that's ever going to be in
the next few years somethingthat's happening in an open area
with rooftops around oh, yeah,yeah, and I think you know,
hopefully it is dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
It will be more dangerous because people latch
on to these sorts of crimes andthen want to emulate them.
But I think you know, I'mhoping that people do have the
platform, continue with thecourage to like, have debate and
open forum.
It's like it's a, it's a hugeum, uh cornerstone of like this
country and how we, how we builtit and developed it, and the

(01:11:08):
fact that you know, even a bunchof guys stood in a room yelling
at each other, angry aboutstuff, and at each other to hash
out, you know, hey, what isthis constitution?
How, how do we work this out?
Right, and uh, it's.
Things are coming to a head inAmerica in a big way and I think
that what I do, what I'mencouraged by, is the youth of

(01:11:33):
America.
I've been, I've been encouragedby young people lately, where I
see a lot.
I see a lot more people who are, like, uninterested in social
media.
Young folks, a lot more peoplewho are like uninterested in
social media.
Young, young folks, a lot morepeople, who are like they see
this craziness and they're likedon't want anything to do with
this, like extremist mentalityon either side and especially
with, like, I think, leftwokeism.
Like I see a lot of kids justlike, yeah, that's like that's

(01:11:54):
kind of silly, like what this is, what is it?
What are you talking about?
Yeah, and because they've likelived in it, grown up in it,
they haven't necessarily beenindoctrinated into it, they've
just been more like they've seenit happen and they're like all
right, like who's, who's runningthe show here?
This is, this is ridiculous,and I think that we do have a

(01:12:15):
good shot at people, you know,being tired of this stuff and
there is definitely, I believe,in the silent majority big time
too oh, yeah, me too.
Yeah, I mean, the people onsocial media are a minority,
like majority of americans arenot on social media saying this

(01:12:35):
kind of stuff mm-hmm yeah,they're doing what they do,
living their lives, trying tomake their world a better place
around them and make it happenthe following days are going to
be pretty crazy to see, justlike the responses and what
happens.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
And, man, I hope this manhunt is.
I hope the manhunt is a crazy,insane show of force Like it.
I hope I hope people see themanhunt, cause we didn't really
get manhunts for the attemptedassassinations on Trump Right.
Those guys were caught rightaway or executed right away, and

(01:13:20):
I think that what we need is aninsane show of force that shows
people like if you do this, thepunishment is, you know, like
salted earth, like wrath of Goddropped down on your head.

(01:13:40):
Ironically, before thishappened, man, I was listening
to, to, you know, I showed youthis guy flesh simulator, right,
he just did his first episodeof his podcast, which was like
kind of just a stream ofconsciousness responding to the
news, and it was before theassassination.
It actually was.
I was listening to it as theassassination happened.
Now I think about it.
I was walking my dog listeningto him, kind of in his thoughts,
and his whole first episode wason like bringing back, uh,

(01:14:07):
capital punishment in a way thatlike the country needs to get
unified on.
And this is interesting becausehe identifies as a, as a
democrat, like a left-leaningperson politically, even though
most left-leaning people, Iwould say, have disowned him and
a lot of his logical mindsetwell, and a lot of like yeah,

(01:14:28):
and a lot of conservative peoplelike watching his videos and
what he dives into and, uh, hewas essentially he's like all
crimes can essentially fit intolike forms of punishment.
I think they fit into thesethree tiers of pirate punishment
.
There's flogging, and thenthere is marooning, and then

(01:14:54):
there's kill hauling, killhauling and with flogging it's
like crime against the societyin that uh, in like the trust in
society as an individual.
so like you steal from someonelike you get caught stealing,
you get flogged.
And people see you get floggedand you're like, hmm shit, I

(01:15:16):
didn't enjoy that.
That was I'm probably not gonnasteal again.
And people see you and they'relike shit, hmm shit, I didn't
enjoy that.
That was I'm probably not goingto steal again.
And people see you and they'relike shit, I probably shouldn't
steal.
And then there is the marooningwhich he kind of said was like
you know, response to likehigher escalated crimes against
society where it damages thetrust and infrastructure.
So it's like you know, massivefraud or tax evasion by, like

(01:15:39):
corporate entities andindividuals.
It is the like example, oneexample users like stealing mail
, because not only does thatharm the individual you stole
their mail from, but that harmsthe trust in the institution of,
you know, a United Mail Service.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
You can't operate in society, so we got to put you
outside of it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Yeah, and we'll come back and get you in a few years.
You know, and you can't operatein society, so we got to put
you outside of it.
Yeah, and we'll come back andget you in a few years.
You can come back after you'vehad your time marooned to
reintegrate.
And then there's, just likeeverything else beyond that is
keelhauling, and keelhauling.
Do you know what keelhauling is?

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
I could assume it's you tie them up by their feet
and tow them by the the keelwell, no, no, but it is similar.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Uh, keel hauling is unreal in its brutality.
Um, keel hauling is where theywould tie you by your feet,
throw the rope over one side ofthe boat, fish it out on the
other, take the slack out of itand tie your hands, and then the
crew would pull the rope so youare dragged across the hull of
the ship, on the bottom of it,where all the barnacles are.

(01:16:47):
And most people died on thefirst pass because the pain of
being dragged across thebarnacles and the hull of the
ship would make you take in alot of water and you'd drown on
the first pull.
But they'd often just do ituntil the rope broke or until
the body broke and then you werejust chum for the fish and it's

(01:17:08):
like, hey, you murder someone,kill hauled.
You rape, kill hauled.
You know you hurt kids, you'rea pedophile, kill hauled.
And I was listening to that.
I was like, damn, like that isa very uh brutalist approach to
punishment for crime.
But man, do you like you lookat, like the recent ukrainian

(01:17:31):
woman immigrant who was justkilled by that psychopath on the
on the bus for no reason?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
okay, I've been let loose like 12 or 16, like 40
priors and it was just like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
That is someone who has no country.
They're not going to berehabilitated, that's not
someone we drop off on theisland and they're better
afterwards.
You just kill all the men andmake it an example so that way
everyone understands like oh, ifI mindlessly murder someone,
I'm, the punishment I will faceis far worse than just being

(01:18:04):
able to like self suicide, youknow um far worse than going to
jail for the rest of my life andliving off taxpayer dollars,
and I I don't really have aproblem with it.
When I was listening to kind oflike explain, I'm like, yeah,
like the punishments need to bemore severe, and I say that as
someone like who has no fearbecause I don't break the law.

(01:18:25):
You know what I mean.
And I'm just like I know I'm notgoing to get punished for it,
um and it.
I genuinely think like theseradical actions that people are
taking is because they don'tfear consequence.
So we need kind of a you know,an insane fallout of wrath upon,

(01:18:48):
you know, people who areperpetuating these crimes.
So that way, those who thinkabout it, except dude if I'm
going to do that the punishmentis insanely severe, and not only
will it ruin my life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
it's going to ruin a lot of other people's.
Yeah, I mean, I agree, I thinklots of people are not afraid of
that and yeah, eventually youalways end up.
There's people who you know diefor their causes and stuff, but
there's a lot less of them,yeah.
When it's the real deal, likethat, it's wild, crazy stuff.

(01:19:26):
The uh are we wrapping up herebecause I've got two, two quotes
that I was going to finish thisout with let's wrap up, I think
um, so one would be.
Um, charlie kirk was asked in aninterview, you know, how he'd
want to be remembered and thatthat was he said.
I want to be remembered for thecourage I have for my faith.
That would be the mostimportant thing.

(01:19:46):
The most important thing is myfaith in my life.
So, you know we started offtalking about.
You know, he was a man ofconviction, of his faith and
something that we admired of himand something that we believe
he had a strong moral compassand a strong faith and
conviction in that, and that'ssomething to be admired and to

(01:20:09):
strive for and something that weshould emulate.
And, of course, being a soundfaith and we believe a sound
faith and truth laid out in theBible is is the way to live your
life, the way to set yourcompass and move forward.
And there was another guy.
His name was Medgar Evers.

(01:20:32):
He was a civil rights activistand he was assassinated in 1963.
He was, he uh, shot in hisdriveway and he was denied
medical attention for an hourout outside of a hospital or for
being black, um, and he passedaway.

(01:20:53):
But what he had said in lifealso, uh, before this is
something he had said you cankill a man, but you can't kill
an idea, and I think that youknow some people say that's
obvious or goes without saying,and there are good ideas and bad

(01:21:14):
ideas.
That was told out today in someways is ultimately moot in that
, you know, silencing a guywho's speaking his beliefs isn't
going to slow down the beliefthat all the people had to agree
with him, right or wrong,whoever it is, whether they're

(01:21:35):
right or wrong, you're notslowing it down.
And so I think that, uh, uh,yeah, there's lots of people out
there who carry the, thebeliefs he had and and at the
very least, you, whether youknow, you can disagree on little
nitpicky things or not, but onthe main key things, you know
that that he he stood for, Ithink that lots of people can
get behind and, um, no progresswas made for evil in that sense.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Yeah, I mean, I've been thinking a lot about the
scripture to Matthew.
I want to say it's in Mattheweight maybe, but you know, do
not fear those who can kill thebody, but not the soul.
And I just I guess, yeah, yeah,I don't want to live in fear.

(01:22:23):
Even if it's a horrible thinglike this and we're seeing
people justify it at the end ofthe day, they can't take away
our salvation.
They can't take away who we arein God's eyes and Charlie is, I
believe, fully in my heart thatcharlie is at home with the
lord and, even though I didn'tknow him personally, I really

(01:22:46):
think, like if he was speaking,if he had a post-mortem ability
with like a video or somethinglike that, he'd be saying like,
hey, like in this, don't live infear, but like, spend time with
your wife, spend time with yourkids, uh, hold them tight and
love them and, you know, striveto be a better man tomorrow than

(01:23:07):
you were today.
And that's immediately what Iwanted to do, like, when I kind
of got there, I was like I justwanted to hold Billie Jean and I
just wanted to let her knowthat I love her and how much I
cherish what we have, um, causeit is, you know, you never know
when it's your time.
So with that, uh, I just wantto say thank you to those who

(01:23:29):
are listening and joining us.
Uh, we appreciate you, ken.
Um, we know it's a sad day.
Don't let it, you know, darkenthe horizons.
Um, remain hopeful, remainoptimistic, place your hope in
jesus, uh, because he is, youknow, king of eternity and, uh,

(01:23:51):
that is going to outlastwhatever this world has and
whatever evils in this world isgoing to come our way.
So, with that, matt, you gotanything till next time.