The Mick & Pat Show - Dog Adventures, Dark Confessions, and Political Divides - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
are you tapping your foot?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
do you hear that?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
yeah, I thought someone was like walking
downstairs so I was about to goget him dude.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Last night actually, I spooked myself.
I was listening, I was watching, you know like I do every night
just one minute youtube shortsof breaking bad um yeah, we like
awful super, like deep friedcontrast on them and awful music
.
It's just like why does thisstimulate my brain?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
and the whole time you're thinking I should watch
that show and you're like I'mnot going to why am I watching a
minute clip of the show with,like that's the music in the
background?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
right and like it looks like someone dunked the,
like actual video footage andlike yeah, deep fryer yeah and
it's just like.
Their wrinkles are literally,like you know, boldened black
lines on their faces and likebut something about my brain is
like no, this is a fever dreamlike this is what and it's

(01:07):
almost like.
It's like what it looks like inyour mind's eye when you're
imagining something, right?
Um, but anyways, I waslistening.
I was watching one of those andI heard like this, like sound,
and I was like what the fuck?
And it literally sounded likesomeone had just pushed like my
screen door in or something likethat.
Like it, like it was just likea thing where my brain was like,

(01:28):
oh, that's someone pushingthrough the screen door, like
because it's locked, and so Iwas like but how else did I get
it?
And I kind of sat up and billyjean was already asleep and I
hear again like a, and I'm likewhat the?
So I pull my headphones off andI'm looking around and I'm
listening.

(01:48):
I like got the drawer open tograb my gun and I'm you know,
I'm in my skivvies.
I'm like all right, like I dohave a buddy who's about to get
married and he's staying thenight with me.
He's been staying the nightwith me for the last couple of
weeks because, you know, I wantto honor his marriage and honor
God and not be making sweetbabies before marriage and

(02:09):
living together.
So he's living with me ratherthan the apartment they'll be in
, and I was like I don't want toblow away my homie, I don't
want JB to be splattered on thewall.
But I knew he was already homeand he was apparently in bed and
he I can't imagine what to getup after going to bed and so I
walked out and I hear nothing.

(02:30):
I'm looking, I'm like I seeeverything's closed, like
doorways from the upstairs.
So I go back and I like wait asecond.
I like uh, rewind the video andit's just.
And it's just.
It was like the most perfectsubtle surround sound that it
just was out of key with likethe rest of the track and scene.

(02:50):
But it was legit like all inthe in the track.
But I mean it gave me spinechills, you know what I mean?
oh yeah, it's one of those oneswhere you're like what the fuck?
What was that?
You know, like a dog, um soyeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I think like it should be illegal also in radio
commercials.
But police sirens, yeah, and orcars honking.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh, is that something that gets you when you're
driving around?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh, yeah, I'm driving someone, like it's like a honk
or like a vroom by and you're,like you like, about to swerve
out of the way or something.
Yeah, cause it.
Every once in a while your oldears play a trick on you no,
that's true, the police sirens,one gets me.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But I've heard a couple people tell us no, I
don't know if they tell you this, but I've had a couple people
tell me that our ad break.
Um oh, ours might get them well,it's the, it's the lighter, but
it was at one point the carsiren yeah, it had a little bit
of like yeah and um, I don'tknow if that stays is still live

(03:50):
on an episode or not, because Ithink all of them updated to
the lighter, but I did havesomeone tell me once.
They're like dude, the sirengot me like you gotta change
that.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
And I was like, am I saying something should be
illegal that I have done.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Exactly, bro, it's hypocrite, freaking hypocritical
dude.
Uh though, speaking of um,speaking of dogs I don't want to
say hypocrites.
But I'm getting a dog.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
You're getting a dog?
Yeah, I gotta pick up my dog onmonday oh dang dude, that's a
big commitment yeah, no, she's,we've been.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
My wife's been wanting to get one for a while
and she was looking at dogs.
And we've looked at dogs forthe last couple of years, oh
yeah, or even a cat, right, andwe didn't get one just because
we were on a third floorapartment and I was like, dude,
I'm not going to put a dog in anapartment.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's a rotten life for a dog.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, apartment, it's a rotten life for a dog, yeah,
and like have to walk itdownstairs and walk it back up
three, four times a day, um, andit was just one of those things
.
There wasn't much space and itwasn't like a great amount of
space for a cat either.
Like there's nowhere really toprivately put the litter box and
not have the smell be bad.
Yeah, so now that we're in ahouse you know 2600 square feet
we got like a garage and stuffand I'm like you know, even if

(05:04):
you have a dog that doesn't dogood inside, you can put it in
your garage when you're gonewith like food and things like
that, and just make sure likeanything it could like knock
over and hurt itself with yeahjust secured.
um, you know, like I would planon ever doing that, you know,
but it's just like one of thosethings, like a lot of people, I
think, make excuses why theycan't get a dog, like, oh, I

(05:25):
leave so much and stuff and Iwouldn't want to leave him in
the living room where he couldjust chew my couch up.
I'm like you still have a gooddog.
If you can't put him outside,just put him in an environment
where it's okay.
If he behaves like a dog, hecan't break anything.
Anyways, all that said, I knewBillie Jean was really getting

(05:46):
serious because she saw a dogone night when we were in bed
and she started getting kind ofteary eyed because it looked
like a dog she had as a kid.
I could tell there was a lot ofemotional investment already
starting to happen, and so I Iwas like, alright, like let's do
some research, make a list ofdogs we want to look at, cause

(06:08):
you gotta, you gotta, apply fordogs.
Um and uh, you have to likeapply for dogs Like you apply
for like a loan.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Sorry, Like for like a.
Did you go like a rescue oradoption?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
All options in Colorado now are like you have
to go through like a shelter.
You can't like go through abreeder anymore and uh, with
that, like you have to apply tomost shelters, like they have an
application process of like 10or so questions and you have to
like answer like questions likeuh, what would you what?

(06:44):
What will happen to the dog ifyou adopt the animal and both
you and your partner die?
Yeah, who will get the dog ifyou get a divorce?
Yeah, it's all questions likethat.
And the question is like what'syour experience with pets?
Please list it below.
And it's like a table and it'slike pet's name, age of pet
alive or dead, age when it died,and it's just like breed.
And it's like a table and it'slike pet's name, age of pet

(07:05):
alive or dead, age when it died,and it's just like breed.
And it's like they want all theinfo and I'm like all right,
like you know, I told billiejean, if you're serious, let's
get a list of the dogs togetherthat we'd look at, and then, um,
let's start doing someapplications.
And she wasted no time and Iwas like, oh okay, all right,
she's really serious and now sheneeds to know like I'm on board
too, like I'm not just liketrying to occupy her while I

(07:29):
forget about it.
Like once I see like she's veryserious about it.
I'm like, okay, right.
So I told her I was like, let'sget a dog bed, but rather than
getting one, because she's sucha good seamstress, I was like
how about you sell us a dog bed,oh nice, and we'll save the
money and we'll use the stuffingwe have, because we have a ton
of extra like polyfill stuffingand she's got a ton of fabric
left over and she's like that'sa great idea.

(07:50):
So she did it in one day.
Oh wow, it was a big, reallynice.
It's a dog bed that'd be like80 bucks.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Nice Very well, like reinforced stitching and it's
got like the quilting pattern init you know of, like like
little holes that like what'scalled.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's like pinned, oh yeah, you know, like like fancy
cow cushions.
Yeah, um and uh, I was justlike all right, we're like we're
doing this.
So we went and saw a couple andthe first one we saw we really
liked, and then a couple of theother ones we saw, but they had
like other, like they hadsomebody have real issues like
not really good on the leash andlike like I mean just not able
to walk on a leash, likeliterally a dog that just like

(08:30):
chaos, stressed, running around.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
You're not getting.
Are you getting a puppy?
You're getting a.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
No, we're not getting a puppy we looked at a couple
puppies, just in case uh-huh.
And then, dude, we found.
We found sadie.
Oh wow, now say he probablywon't be her name but it's her
name at the shelter that theyjust assigned right, but she's
an Anatolian Shepherd, so she'slike a.

(08:54):
Turkish livestock guardian dog.
Yeah, that's a pretty seriousbreed.
She's like that and a GreatPyrenees mix, nice, which is
also another livestock dog, andwe were like we'll see, we read
her stuff online.
It was like she doesn't like tobe home alone.
She needs to be able to see outthe windows.
She has anxiety if the owner ofthe home's not around.

(09:18):
Yeah, but it's like, she's verysweet, she's very gentle, she
gets along with cats and dogs.
She, you know, is very gentlearound all people.
No fierce skittishness aroundpeople.
I was like, all right, let'ssee.
So we meet up with this dudewho's been looking after her and
he it's like fostering.
Yeah, fostering yes, and he'slike we would adopt her, but

(09:51):
we're retired and we're tryingto travel more and she's really
a dog who needs someone homequite a bit, um, to get her used
to it and adjusted to theenvironment and okay with being
left alone like you won't beable to leave her alone for a
while, yeah, for like the firstcouple months or so, maybe, like
you will want someone home withher for a while, or not like
alone for very long.
I was like okay, cool.
But I was like asking about.
I was like what's this behavior, you know?
He's like well, not in my housesince I've been fostering her,
but in the previous one I don'tthink they had a lot of time to

(10:14):
like kind of help her getacclimated and she like knocked
down blinds trying to look outwindows it's a big dog she's
like 85 pounds yeah yeah if yousaw her, though, she looks just
like a.
I mean she's big, but she's notlike you know, we're not talking
like a.
What's the word Not Doberman,great Dane, right?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
No, no, no, not that big, but still like Not a small
dog, I think she'd.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Fuck a Great Dane up though.
Oh yeah, like it's great Causewe were at.
When we were at the shelter shewasn't there.
She was being fostered, ofcourse, but then when they like,
so she wasn't having to staythere.
And when we met them up at theshelter and we were walking
around with her, there was allthese other dogs, these like pit
bulls and all these dogs, justyou know, like losing their mind

(10:57):
.
But I would do to Sadie She'dlike walk right up to like, not
even like perk up to like, noteven like perk up friend or
anything.
She would walk over to the cageand just look at him, just like
kind of sniff around whilethey're like losing their mind,
like feral fangs out bro.
She showed no aggression andwould just like walk away.
And uh, the guy he was likeyeah, so see how she doesn't

(11:18):
care.
He's like if she cares, you'llknow like.
And he's like I've seen it oncewhere she rolls back her front
shoulders and, rather than likea pity, where it goes in like
from like you know, the feetgoing in, her feet roll out and
the chest comes out and the likeears her ears is so floppy and

(11:38):
hanging but her ears roll backand face forward and her eyes go
wide and, uh she, they're like,he's like, that's like.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
If they think like it's, this is wolf mode you know
what I mean and I'm like, ohsick, it's a, it's a kind of all
or nothing.
Yeah, that's cool thing aboutthose shepherd dogs.
Uh, you know, I've been aroundpyrenees before.
I had a bernie's mountain dogthat's partial pyrenees and then
also I've been in the mountainsbefore and ran into, uh,
mountains and ranch lands,farmlands, running into paronies

(12:07):
, dogs and like shepherds andthey are super relaxed until
it's time to not be relaxed yeahuntil like it's like legit,
like you've you've demonstratedthat, like you could be a threat
and that's why I think they'regreat like family dogs and like
if you want a dog, that oh yeah,so she's got she's got like the

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sad floppy ear

Speaker 2 (12:29):
face, but like she's so cute, um, and he showed me a
picture, these aren't one ofthose but like when she's on
mode, when she's at like what isthat?
And she's on like kind ofpatrol guard mode, she looks.
She looks like the thing, youknow, she looks like the thing.
You know she looks like theclassic depiction Turns on.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, keep going.
Sorry, I just wanted to showyou those pictures.
Yeah, for sure, because arounda family, things like that, if
you want a dog, that's going tokind of like be defensive of
your family but you don't wantto have to, you know, train a
Malinois or a German Shepherd orwhatever like to be like you
know and really like have itreined in, like the cool thing

(13:09):
about other Shepherds is likethey really don't care, but they
really can have a really goodinstinct, like for when it
really is time to be seriousabout something.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and like I also , I've been doing a lot of
research into this breed becauseI knew we were looking at her
and we were.
We had looked at another onealready and, um, there's not.
They need a job because they'rehigh energy in the brain, Like
their brain is wired to patroland keep track of and secure,

(13:40):
but like they're not like othershepherding dogs or uh, herd
dogs Like, so she, they don'tshepherd and herd in like the
nipping going for the ankles orthe barking like they don't bark
to direct the herd um, you know, they like.
If you ever see videos ofanatolian shepherds or great
pyrenees, this is for people whodon't know what we're talking
about.
if you look it up, you oftenfind them and they look like
they are like almost hiding andblending in with the sheep you

(14:04):
know, know what I mean, and likethey literally blend in so well
that they just kind of go withtheir herd or the flock where it
travels.
And then if danger arrives,because danger thinks, oh,
that's a bunch of sheep, I cando whatever I want, then they
come out.
And you see them come out ofthe flock.
Like you're like, oh shit, likethose aren't sheep, like

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they're watching me and they'rebig yeah, cause they're really
not herd dog, they're notherding dogs, they're
shepherding dogs.
So they like exactly they're.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
they're not out there .
You know like, have you seenthe movie babe?
Yeah, you know like.
Out there, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
yeah, like you said, nipping and corralling, they're
like they're just more out there, they're just chilling on the
hillside, yeah and I in like,even though, like some other
shepherding dogs like germanshepherds, I think are pretty
high energy and pretty vocallike german shepherds like bark
to sound, alarm or communicate,like they really do talk to
their owners and stuff, and theand like the malinois uh, sorry,

(15:04):
not the malinois the greatpyrenees and the anatolian
shepherds.
From what I've just been readingonline and other people who had
them, and from what I hear fromthe people who've been
fostering sadie, it's more likea like, you know, like that most
she's spoken, or I saidanything is just like a oh, you
know, to let people know.
Like hey, I think someone's atthe door and she'll go and stand

(15:26):
at the window and stand at thedoor and hoof at it until you
come by and like.
But once you come by and standnext to her and acknowledge like
she's, she's there, she chillsout, but she legit like needs.
It's like if you don't come tothe door, she just stays there
waiting for you to come and kindof relieve her of duty, which I

(15:47):
, I really like that kind ofconcept of right and like that
she's not going to need like aton of super high energy like um
, you know a lot of high energylike fetch play, but like what?
Like everyone says online islike you just need to take them
on.
Like the same walk three timesa day, like give them the same
one mile, two mile circuit liketwo or three times a day so that

(16:10):
way and they can get the brainlike observation stuff out of
their head.
And she was great on a leash,bro, like she's a big dog and
even though I wasn't like whoshe's used to walking her, that
guy took off ahead of us and Ihad the leash and she never
pulled.
She went at my pace and if Istopped she stopped.

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If she stopped to smellsomething and I whistled or said
her name, she was like allright, we're going on.
And so it's like it's reallycool to see like she's already
got like really good instinctualkind of uh behavior for like
what makes a good dog a good dog.
And I'm also just excited towork with her on the other stuff
.
Like apparently she's like justone a big weenie, like when it

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comes to sleeping alone.
Like she just wants to sleep in.
She doesn't want to sleep inthe bed with you, to be in the
room, she just wants to be inthe room but she doesn't want to
.
She doesn't like being in likea human bed.
And then the other thing isshe's just scared of stairs, oh
yeah, which I kind of like.
The idea of working with her toget over it, Like that's just
like a cool bonding thing.

(17:14):
I think that you get to do withthe dog, Cause you know a lot
of people don't realize it butlike puppies are terrified of
stairs.
They just get over it at a youngage from learning it yeah, from
learning it and, like a lot ofdogs, if they don't, if they're
not raised around stairs, stairsare weird and scary yeah, so
I'm kind of looking forward tothat stuff.
But we're really excited.
Uh, we bought all the foodbowls and a leash and collar

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already and we'll take her topick out a toy and we're gonna
get the food samples right tofigure out which one is best for
her.
But anyways, yeah.
I think I have a couple names.
I was all someone's going to belike this is baloney.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Someone's going to.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Sadie's a name for a cat.
Sadie's a name for a cat or awoman.
Like you know or cat woman, butI want like a.
I want a strong consonant nameoh yeah and I also really like a
lot of uh, like, um, the, theenunciation and uh, consonant

(18:17):
sounding of like a lot of nativeand native american words.
Oh, nice and um.
I'm also apparently like a 16thor whatever, or an eighth, I
can't remember, but like I, Iknow, like, like a little less,
because then you get freecollege well, I think I could
have gotten free college.
Oh wow, according to, like, mymom and uncles and stuff and my

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own, my actual grandpa uh,there's just like no like
genealogy record of it right now, right, which is why I kind of
want to do the 23andMe Right.
I like this one called.
I'll get a double check, butI'm pretty sure it's Takani.
Oh yeah.
Takani is just like two, verylike significant, distinguished

(19:01):
sounding consonants, but it hasa soft ending and that soft
ending I think is like feminineand so it's a good name for a
female dog.
But takani, I think, is like avery clear consonant sound
amongst the other names of likebob and fred and bubba, and duke
you know, I mean names that endin an I sound, for dogs are

(19:24):
good.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Why is that?
They just kind of like you cansay it with a little bit of that
playful and inflection at theend, and they like it and they
come to you for it.
Yeah, what's it mean, though?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I'm pretty sure, if I remember correctly, it is one
of the northern Inuit tribes,word for bear, but I have to
double check that one.
I wasn't trying to go off ofmeaning as much because I didn't
want it to be like I don't know, I don't believe in it, like a
lot of like your dog's nameneeds to have, like a

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significant meaning, like I dolike the name Dakota Dakota for
a male dog, because Dakota meansfriends with, with everybody,
and that's like a good I meantakota is a good, you know,
friendly dog name.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Um, here's on a brief word search.
Yeah, um, now, anatolia hailsfrom now, the modern day turkey.
Yep, now, turkish people don'tlike to necessarily be like
lumped in with everybody elsegoing to be their thing.
But to Connie is a Persian wordwhich Turkey, being a lot
closer to Persian areas andhaving you know this Semitic

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language background, meansshaking the house, which that's
kind of fitting for, like a bigass dog, exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's kind of cool, she's shaking the house when she
puts in that wolf mode dude.
Uh, I guess, I guess takani isalso, uh, some native american
tribal word for wolf, that's theother thing is, like a lot of
native american tribes, it's theeskimo word for wolf.
Um, there's a a lot ofoverlapping words because you

(21:08):
know they're like the tribes hada lot of blending of different
languages, right, and like youcould have people quote unquote
underneath the um, like uh, whatwas it?
Um apache tribe?
But like there's different kindof more smaller tribes
underneath the term apache tribe, right, so like there's
different kind of more smallertribes underneath the term
apache tribe, right.

(21:28):
So like there's a couple wordsI looked up that was like like
the most common pet name for adog from like the apache tribe
was one that just literallytranslated like directly to shit
pet.
Yeah, because it literally, likein apache, meant like this is
the animal that eats its ownshit and I was like that's

(21:49):
hilarious, like, but, um, youknow there, but there's other
ones like, uh, algonquin andiroquois and all that like have
different cool names, but um,anyways, yeah, so I do like that
that's cool, it's kind of coolbut of cool.
But my wife hit me with onethat I'm having a hard time
saying now too.
She said what about the nameDesi, like from East of Eden?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm like damn.
Like right in the feels.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Like even though Desi is not as much of that strong
consonant sound.
Desi was a phenomenal girl.
She's probably the best girl.
I'm just like Ed there's like.
That book has a lot ofsignificance to me, so it's kind
of hard to not think of thatbeing as a decent name not a bad
name.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Not a bad name got that eye inflection in there too
, I'm telling you people likethat, people like the eye on the
end of the dog names, for somereason like.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Dookie, yeah, exactly uh, are you so are you?
You've never owned a dog sinceI've known you?
Yeah, I haven't.
I don't know if you're a dogperson.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I haven't owned a dog in my uh, adult life.
I guess you could say I'venever personally owned a dog.
We had family dogs growing up,yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Me too, like I never had a dog.
That was supposed to be likethis is your dog and if you
don't take care of it, it goesaway.
Yeah, I had dogs.
I was the primary caretakerresponsible for you know, like
family, just like my mom wouldbuy the food, but like I fed the
dog, I walked the dog, I walkedthe dog, I clean up the dog's

(23:26):
poop, right, you know.
But it was never like this ismy first dog in my adult life
too.
Like where I'm full partyresponsible for it.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah.
So for me, I have aspirations.
I want to own like five dogs atone time, really yeah.
But I also kind of don't.
Here's the problem.
Kind of like how I want to be afake cowboy, like I want to own
a ranch that some other guymanages for me.
And when I show up, I want toown a ranch.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I just don't want to do anything to the farming.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Exactly, and when I come in on my helicopter I come
out in my clean boots and he hasmy horse saddled and then I I
swing my leg over and I ride thehorse like like 30 yards to the
barn and then like yeah, andthen like wait for him to catch
up.
Then I hand him the reins and Iswing my leg back over and he

(24:18):
like takes the saddle off.
Yeah, and not that's what Ireally want, but I when I do a
true evaluation of myself.
I'm like in my mind if I want tobe a rancher, you really want
to wake up at 2 am every day andgo chuck hay.
I don't know if I have the oldstones to get that.

(24:39):
So anyway, similarly withsaying I want four or five dogs,
I don't know if that's what Ireally want or not.
But um, the a couple pieces tonot owning a dog yet is um has
been like.
I have had some like my leasesin my houses have been like no

(25:00):
dogs like no pet, likesituations and something okay,
okay.
And then it got to the point nowwhere, like, where I am now
does have the no pet thing, butI could probably like at this
point, how long I've been in myhouse, I could like get my
landlords to agree to us havingthat.
But then we also like, broughtkids into the mix.
Yeah, like every couple of years, we bring kids into the mix and

(25:21):
so, like three kids, it hasalways been like, okay, honestly
, how busy I'm at work, it'sgoing to be the wife's duty to
like during the day, have toalso manage this thing, and so,
like, that's been a piece of it.
Old Mace Windu not a hugeanimal person.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So, she's not like I heard Mace Windu I think it was
from you that Mace windu is notthe biggest fan of dogs, no, or
just animals, just animals likein general.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
that's why like like I've been looking at, like
properties where I could put myoffice.
Yeah, that also has likepastures and stalls, so then I
can have like I keep my dogs andmy horses and my cows there at
my office.
I can work where I go every day, but then my wife doesn't have

(26:10):
to deal with them ever, and thatwould be an ideal situation.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
What if that was just a thousand feet from your house
?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I know that would be the most ideal situation For me,
yeah for sure, and she wouldn'thave to interact with them.
She wouldn the most idealsituation for?
Yeah for me, yeah for sure, andshe wouldn't have to enter.
She would have to deal withthem like right and for sure.
So there's all those things,but, um, I'm gonna own a dog
someday.
I should have bought one yearsago specifically for the
purposes of hunting.
I really, really, really wantto, um, have good hunting dog me

(26:46):
too.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I that was the number one thing I wanted.
And then I was like well, Ishould probably go hunting
before you before I get ahunting dog, but like so that
was but like.
So that's why I'm like I'lltake this because I could.
I could honestly see myselfbringing sadie and she just
wouldn't like I don't thinkshe'd be, she would never, I

(27:08):
think, really be a retriever dog.
She'd kind of be along for theride but she'd be along for the
ride and she would, I think, letme know far better when
something was nearby than Icould on my own yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
And so, like, I think , like also the having a owning
a dog is one thing and thenowning a good hunting dog is a
whole other level of like.
It has to be a part of yourlifestyle that you train and
pour into the animal.
And so while I have the fantasyof owning a great hunting dog,
that means also to be in aposition to really own that.
But someday I will own a greathunting dog, and then also for

(27:46):
my three kids.
Here's like.
So, when I said five dogs, it'dbe four dogs and, um, one for
each kid.
Exactly me, exactly so I wouldhave.
I want a bernie's mountain dogand a full blood pair of knees.
And then, uh, oh my goodness,the the breeds escaping me.
It's very similar in the sameway.
It's a.

(28:06):
It's a bed mastiff.
No, not the mastiff, it's, oh,my goodness.
Anyways, I'll remember itsomeday, sure.
When it's time to buy it.
Yeah.
But basically they're thesegiant, fluffy shepherd dogs,
kind of lazy, like to hang outand just be around, take massive

(28:27):
poops.
So you gotta have a big yard,don't all three of those?
But then I'm gonna have my, mylab, my hunting dog, and the
three big dogs gonna get to dowhatever they want.
They're gonna get to like havethe rule of the roost.
They can even come insidesometimes.
Um, that's the other thing toois like I'm not a huge like
inside dog fan.
Like I think, like it's like a.

(28:48):
They can be in the kitchen andlike the living room, but they
don't go like down the basementor like up in the bedrooms.
It's kind of like you know,they know where they're allowed
to be, but in the hunting dog heknows like his only job is to
sit next to me and sit next tome, and when he's not doing that
, he like lives in the garageand he has a doggy door and he

(29:09):
can go outside and come back in,but like and he is literally
like a servant at my will andand it fulfills his and it
fulfills his and he fulfillsevery like biological thing,
like desire in his brain, rightexactly that too.
So like, like, because this iswhat he's made for.
So when we like, when and ifyou've ever been around a good
duck dog, oh yeah, when you pullthe gun out of the case, they

(29:31):
freak out, they're like they'relike they're howling, they're
like spinning in circles andlike they like run out and just
sit in the truck.
And they're just like sittingin the truck wanting to go get
ducks, like yeah and so it'slike it's.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I mean a lot of people don't get it, but like
the um, the, the work geneticingrained in some of these dogs
is stronger than the desire toreproduce.
Like, think about you as a dudeand how powerful it's been in
your brain to you know, makecoitus, imagine like you want to

(30:09):
do something else more thanthat.
You know it's like, it's justlike that.
I think that's crazy to me.
Like I don't know if that, Iguess I'll say this.
I don't know if that's true.
That's what I read from.
Like some dog science expertabout that was studying dog
brains and dopamine and dogbrains, highland Collie and all

(30:41):
those like other herding dogs.
Like they live to go out andchase sheep and like that is
more powerful in their brainthan anything else, which is why
, like they will often die doingit.
Like like they'll just likewhen they get old.
A lot of times they go out andthey just don't come back one
day.
Yeah, because they just likethey die out there in the, in
the field with the flock doingwhat they love and it's stronger
than anything else in theirbrain and like that's excellent,

(31:03):
that's cool, like I want andlike, if that's the way the dog
is, I want to give it that life.
I don't want to.
I don't want to force a dog to.
You know, like with sadie, I'mnot gonna squirt sadie with the
water bottle every time she runsto the door and, you know,
stands there until I come, standnext to her, like sure, will

(31:23):
that be inconvenient?
Yes, but that's also like herand her mind thinking hey, there
is something out there, right,and I need, I need to stand
guard until master comes to, letme know he's aware of it and we
can go back to what we weredoing right and like it's.
It'd be different if she wouldgo there and scratch at the door

(31:45):
and bark and bark and bark andbark and bark and bark and bark
forever.
You know, like that's a thingthat you want to curb that
behavior.
But if, if it's just simplylike the dog doing his brain
thing of like what it really isbred to be, like, that's almost
like something you kind of wantto reinforce because that's
going to give it a good, happylife.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah for sure.
The other third.
The third one I wanted is it'sa Newfoundland which is also
like just big old fluffy.
So, yeah, these, these, I do.
I want these three big fluffydogs, one for each of my kids, I
do.
I want these three big fluffydogs, one for each of my kids.
And then I want my lab and hisnames.
I'm going just full Duke,something along those lines,

(32:25):
where it's just like, oh really,remington, ranger, sage,
whatever, I don't care, butwe're going somewhere in there
In that realm of thinkingSomeday I'll have a dog.
The two big hang ups there'sthree big hang-ups would be this
I need some more like.
I feel like I need a littlemore like land or property if

(32:46):
I'm gonna do the, if I'm goingfor the four dogs.
Well, yeah, no kidding, I needsome more space.
Um, and then also, I do need umtime, more time.
I need to like commit to, like,you know, taking care of that
animal.
And then also got to get mywife on board and I think, like
now that we're kind of likewe're getting done having kids

(33:08):
as they become, less babies andless toddlers.
It's going to be good.
But also, dude, like I got toget a dog stat, because my kids
are wusses around dogs, likereally we're like my, like,
really all my friends who haveum kids, who own dogs, like
they're totally fine.
But my kids, like you know, abig dog comes out and they're,
like you know, shaking.

(33:28):
They start crying if it gets upand licks their face, you know,
and like really and it'sunderstandable that if your
first interaction like whenyou're not used to it, when if
something that literally to uscame in here that was 12 feet
tall, yeah, and licked your faceyou'd be like, bro, you'd be
like you'd be like I'm lunch,this is not good like.

(33:48):
Yeah, exactly, it's like littlefreaking grizzly bear my little
my little buddy.
He's like you know, my littletwo-year-old, I mean.
He just is like unhinged when adog comes by, but he loves
animals like he loves dogs fromlike 10 feet away.
He's like you know, my littletwo-year-old, I mean, he just is
like unhinged when a dog comesby, but he loves animals like he
loves dogs.
From like 10 feet away he'slike enthralled.
And then once it comes andlicks his face or like its tail,
like brushes its head, he liketurns at me and he's like daddy,
they got trying to get me.

(34:09):
It's like freaking out and like, okay, we got to get these kids
some animals or they're gonnabe totally wusses around animals
.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, no, that's a good point.
There is definitely pictures ofme as a kid growing up not
happy that I'm being made topose with a dog, but I never can
recall ever being afraid of anonviolent dog.
Yeah, I don't have any distinctmemory of a dog messing me up or
scaring me as a kid.

(34:35):
I do have a very distinctmemory of my a dog messing me up
or scaring me as a kid.
I do have a very distinctmemory of my dog jake.
Uh, he was border collie, myfirst dog.
I remember him being veryprotective over me when someone
else's dog got off their leashand charged at me I remember him
fucking that dog up, dude yeah,he meant like he just he put
that dog in the gutter and justheld it down.
It's dude and I remember likegoing over the remember going

(34:57):
over there and trying to pullhim off and it was like that dog
knew I was scared and trying tomake it stop and it also knew
that if it did stop I would getbit by the other dog, right,
because that other owner hadn'tcaught up to it yet.
It was weird that to have a dogthat was smarter than me at

(35:19):
that age it was like you know,second grade and stuff, and it
was just like I just rememberbeing like in my eyes.
I was like this is my hero anddude, freaking, wept when we put
it down.
I went in, said goodbye to him.
That dog was my best friend forsure for like a couple years of
my life yeah, we get close toour dogs, man and oh yeah, it's
cool, especially when you seethem do something like that well

(35:40):
, yeah, and that's, that's thething.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like I bet, like was he?
Was he a violent dog?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
never no, but like I mean he right he, he went after
stuff like he got a couplesquirrels.
Right like he never been aperson, people and stuff, never
all of a sudden like when therewas a real threat coming at you.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It just that that instinct snapped in.
And that's what I love aboutand why I think I want a good
hunting dog so bad is like, andalso the breeds I like of these
shepherd dogs I was talkingabout, because their instincts
and their protection are awesome.
Like the dog you're getting islike a dog that's been bred to
do a particular thing.
When you watch them do thatthing and their instincts kick

(36:16):
in particular thing.
When you watch them do thatthing and their instincts kick
in, it is just the mostincredible and, uh, fascinating
thing to me when you see a dogdoing that stuff yeah, yeah, I'm
really excited, um, maybe I'msure she'll be good around kids
and all that stuff and maybe wecan like go to a park or
something and your uh mini patsand mini mace windu.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Can you know get go to a park or something and your
uh mini pets and mini mace windu.
Can you know get accustomed toa big dog?
That is like because, I'mpretty sure she's just gonna
have the same mild behavior likea you know a retriever does,
where, like people, just likekids, just are patting and
brushing her and she's just likeokay, like whatever you know
sure um, but all that said umwell, we were go for it.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I was before we get to the next thing, because, uh,
as the holidays approach, we'vebeen playing a game with the,
with the box of beer oh yeah wehaven't had a beer this whole
time, and so I thought yourwhistle might be getting wet and
well it needs to be wet, and ifthis is your first time tuning
in, uh well, there's a beer thatwe we really don't like to

(37:22):
drink called the holiday ale,and we got a multi-pack here is
it still?
just one thumb down.
You know it's I'll.
I'll give it two down, okay,because since then the only
thing we've had worse is likethe, the, the nightmare fuel, or
whatever it's called I don'teven think that was worse.
I don't know, dude, that thatbattery acid was bad I did it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I don't think it was worse, I think it was.
I think we gave that one, likeeach one thumb down I know we
got that one too I know wedidn't give it four thumbs down
anyways, here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
uh, mick's got a grab .
He's grab bagging a mysterybeer.
Here we go, he's reaching in.
Oh, I just knocked somethingover.
Here we go, he's pulling in.
There, there's a risk ofgetting the nasty one.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh, another tripel.
Yes, he's safe.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
All right, nice work.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
All right you drawing .

Speaker 1 (38:08):
All right, I'll draw.
I gonna reach in there and seewhat I find because, uh, like we
said, the holidays areapproaching.
We gotta share the holidaycheer and the holiday ale is.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh, I'm safe voodoo ranger we're clean, we're clean
it's so gross, dude, I can'tbelieve it's so gross it's.
It's hard for me to wrap mybrain around like people
drinking that and like the taste, testing, you know, trials, and
being like, yeah, no, that's uh, send that out, you know.

(38:42):
I mean it's pretty wild for sure, oh man it tastes like
fermented snickerdoodle dough,you know, I mean like apple
cider spilt on snickerdoodle andfermented.
It doesn't taste like beer.
Yeah, it tastes like the stuffyou pour off of the top of a
beer.
Um, anyways, uh, pat sir, I'mreading a horror story.

(39:09):
Oh man, I'm reading it inbraille in.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Wow yeah, I didn't know you were.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You were such a renaissance man yeah, something
bad is going to happen.
I, I can just feel it that'sfunny, classic that's a dad joke
, you're about.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
You're about ready to have a kid, I know right.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Okay, I'm about to get a dog, so I I need to get
some kind of training andpractice on how to lighten the
levity of something not soserious.
Yeah, I just figured that wouldbe a good transition there,
because I actually have twohorror stories here, two
real-life horror stories.
One of them took place back in2021, and and it's a little bit

(39:57):
longer and I'll get into that umlater just because I got like
the whole story to go through,um and kind of give a breakdown
of um, but it was just sofascinating and startling to me
of how, uh, this whole storyplayed out and I was like dude,

(40:18):
I just gotta, I gotta show thispast.
So, um, that was it, and it's amurder that took place in a
grand junction, colorado, in2021.
Um, oh, dude, do you know what?
It is already?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
maybe the brian cohe murder, a young guy who murdered
the homeless man yeah, oh, youalready know about this.
You watch a video of himgetting arrested.
Yeah, all right, that video iswhat flipped it for?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
me right it's that that was the most unsettling
like cinematic confession of aserial killer like I.
I saw that I was like they liveamong us.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, they are not just on the silver screen, like
they live among us and this isreally not scripted by some
nasty producers and writers whoare just being sickos.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, this was really what happened real dude it like
um, pull up the video just sothat way you have it up and
stuff.
Um and uh could just for likereference, you could skip
through it, because I got anarticle here that I'll go
through it of.
But the first one I wanted totalk about with you is very
recent and very tragic, probablyjust as tragic as that one.

(41:29):
This was a very mentally sickman.
A very mentally sick man.
Um, this happened actually onuh, it looks like November 5th,
I believe it was when it wasannounced.
This occurred so the night ofthe election.
Um, but in Duluth Minnesota,which happens to be a place

(41:52):
where, like, a lot of this stuffgoes down, like a lot of crazy,
like crack, crackhead andmentally unfit, mentally insane
people are doing like, do stufffor some reason in Duluth
Minnesota.
It's weird, like what theirmental health insanity rate is
there?
Um, but this man, anthonyNephew, uh, he shot himself, his

(42:14):
wife, his ex partner and hischild with each of them.
So he had a child with hisfirst partner and a child with
his current wife and he shot andkilled both children as well
and then took himself out.
It was on November 5th, afterPresident Donald Trump got
elected and he had posted a lotof things that were pretty

(42:39):
unsettling leading up to thisthat he had had a pattern of
mental health issues.
He was age 46.
And the police found AaronAbramson and their son, jacob
Nephew, dead from gunshot woundsin their home.
And then, after identifyingAnthony Nephew as the suspect,

(43:01):
police found him and his45-year-old wife, catherine
Nephew, and their 7-year-old son, oliver Nephew, dead from
gunshot wounds inside their home.
Before the tragedy, nephew hadbeen sharing a lot of left-wing
and anti-Trump posts on hisFacebook account.
Back in July, he had saidsomething along the lines of you
know, my mental health and thisworld can't coexist anymore,

(43:24):
and the reason for that isreligion.
He had said he was terrified ofreligious zealots inflicting
misguided beliefs on his familyand on himself.
Uh, he's had intrusive thoughtsand visions of uh being burned
at the stake like a witch orcrucified on a burning cross,

(43:44):
and like this is stuff he postedon.
Like facebook and social media,right, like it's just like okay
, well, all right.
Like he's like uh, havingpeople actually believe that I
or my child are satan or theantichrist or whatever their
favorite boogeyman they areafraid of.
This week, he said thatRepublicans are making it harder
for women to live oh sorry,women to leave abusive

(44:05):
relationships.
And he signed off the postsaying Gilead, here we come.
Gilead is apparently acharacter or the author of the
Handmaiden's Tale, which is, ofcourse, this dystopian novel of
women are second-class citizensin a society that's totalitarian
and fascist.
And so he put up politicalposts as well, of Obama and

(44:33):
Biden and Harris, that had thewords hope and heal and grow
underneath them, but hateunderneath Trump.
And he's like not that anyonecares.
But as an independent voter, Iwould really like to see both
political parties in our countrypick better candidates, which,
I mean, that's not left leaning.
He's like we could do betterthan a binary choice between

(44:54):
fascism and not fascism likethat's I don't think that's
really left leaning you and notfascism Like that's I don't
think that's really left leaning.
You know what I mean?
I think that's just political,um, but uh yeah.
So he night of the election, Ithink after he realized Trump
won, it seems like he killed hisprevious partner and their

(45:15):
child, and then his current wifeand their child, and then his
current wife and their child,and then himself, um, which is
pretty unsettling, you know whatI mean.
Like this is someone who a lotof people are saying was totally
convinced by, like themainstream media of like just
this doom and gloom, end of theworld if.
If Trump wins, mentality andlike the truth is is like that's

(45:41):
not, that's not what we'regoing to experience, that's not
what the world's going toexperience.
Like we're not going to live ina country where, you know, we
see people reacting to Trumpwinning the election.
People are saying like I'm goingto wake up tomorrow and be a
slave again, or I'm going towake up as a woman and have zero
rights, and like that's justnot reality, that didn't.

(46:03):
No one was enslaved the hisfirst presidency and no one's
like going to face any kind ofthat stuff during this one.
It's just like that's what themedia has, over and over and
over and over, been brain like,uh, sorry, beating into the
brains of these people and so,like this guy just looks to be a
guy who snapped and liketotally just swallowed it all

(46:24):
and was like all right, yep,world's over.
My wives are going to be, youknow, my ex-wife and my current
wife and our children are allgoing to live, as you know,
second class citizens to somefascist totalitarian state, and
he kills them and takes his ownlife because he thinks it's like
better than the alternative,which is, I mean, it's unreal to

(46:44):
me that it's better, like theythink it's better than the
alternative of just enduringuntil another election to vote
for the next political opponentyou want, and enduring through
and realizing that was reallynot that bad, like it's really
not that bad, like to be underthe other.
I'll be honest, it's not.
It's not been that bad.

(47:05):
Has it been worse being underthe joe biden kamala, uh,
president regime, as the peoplelike to say.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
sometimes has it been worse than other ones.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, if I'm being honest, outside of just the
whole 2008 financial crash andaround that time my mom had
cancer so we had to sell ourhouse anyways, I don't
necessarily think that wasPresident Bush or Obama's fault
during that crash and stuff.
I don't blame them for it, butit was the suckiest time to be

(47:40):
alive for me in my entire liferight you know like that was the
suckiest phase I lived throughas a kid growing up and like,
but like dude, now this one,this, these last four years yeah
, they were tough because ofmoney and inflation and you know
the war is going on, but stilllike we're all okay.
I'll say it was way betterunder trump the four years
before that, right, and I feltlike trump was way better than

(48:03):
the eight years before him.
I enjoyed those four yearsunder trump immensely, um, but
it wasn't.
But again, it wasn't like dopeople lost?
No one lost rights under trump.
No one lost, yeah, the abilityto live their life.
No one was enslaved.
No one was made second-classcitizens.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh, yeah, for sure, I mean, I think, the most.
I mean the part he said abouthim in his own words that he's
worried about misguided zealots.
Yeah, which I think he may havebeen one.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Bro.
You know what happened, nokidding, right.
You know the last time we hadsome Zealots that were misguided
and a serious threat to thiscountry, january 6th.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Whoa Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Disagree, but I think the last time we had like
Religious zealots that were athreat to the nation Was when
that like crazy Cult up in likeOregon Tried to poison the whole
nation with salmonella.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, and then a little bit before that, when the
Twin Towers fell.
Twin Towers fell out after that.
Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure, youknow like.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
But those people, they aren't in our nation.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, they got in a little.
I mean they got in.
Yeah, yeah, I.
Yeah, they got in a little, Imean they got in.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying you know,
what I'm saying, right, Likethat's an external threat?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Oh for sure, because you're talking about the out in
Oregon at Wild Wild Country, theRajneesh yeah, yeah, the
Rajneesh, that was a little bitof religious zealots, misguided,
dangerous individuals, yeah forsure.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Although I mean they all those, I mean they're pretty
badass.
They're in their like redsweaters and sweatpants holding
uzis on that on their ownprivate runway.
I'll never forget that videofootage.
That video footage was like ohshit, these, they mean business
dude, and now it's a christianyouth camp is it really?
Yeah, there's a oh yeah.
No, yeah, young life owns, itright that's awesome got donated
to him.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Uh, when they tore down the um, his like throne
room, his throne room, the spotwhere he used to have a little
throne, they'd have these nastyorgies in there and stuff.
There was a den of snakesunderneath the throne.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
No way.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, straight up.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Now it's a basketball court Hell yeah, where they
play rock paper scissors anddance to music.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Have you ever seen that guy?
Though the recorded footage ofhim going over why his favorite
word is fuck?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Of the Rajneesh leader.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
No, I thought it was a legit Middle Eastern comedian.
It was so funny.
He just had a whole sermon onwhy.
Fuck was his favorite word.
I've never seen that he's likeit can be used for so many
things.
Joy, I'm fucking happy.

(50:47):
Anger, don't you fucking dare.
He just goes.
He's like it is a verb I'llfucking kill you.
He's like it is a noun.
Fuck, it's just like it's oneof them.
It's so funny, bro, and like Iwas like I saw that video before

(51:09):
that documentary came out.
And I saw the documentary like,oh, that's the, that's the
comedian.
And I was like, oh, he's not acomedian, he's a cult leader.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Depending on you, it's kind of the same thing
nowadays no, it back to thisfreaking crackpot who ruined his
life.
He said he killed himself too,or was he but man?
It's just like obviouslyhorribly sad for these you know
individuals harmed by him, andthen also it's just like
obviously horribly sad for theseyou know individuals harmed by
him, and then also it's justlike.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
It just makes you wonder if they consent, like I
mean, of course the kids didn'tconsent, but it makes you think
like if the women consented,like if they were that
brainwashed too Right, like what?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
was the.
Is it that bad to not get anabortion?
I don't know, or whatever thething is.
It's like it's obviously we'retaking a very narrow piece of
the pie, but in a less radicalsense.

(52:13):
The pie, the pie.
Take a little bit wider cut ofthe pie and just a surprising
amount of people who are likegoing to therapy over this and
like making.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
We mentioned it last week.
Uh, kill myself was trendingright now.
I don't know how many peopleactually did it, but, like I
hope, none of them.
All right but it is one ofthose things like dude, like
again, I can't imagine thinkingI'm gonna kill myself because,
even even if it was legitimatefidel castro or hitler yeah,

(52:48):
dude.
The masculine inner urge anddesire to lead a revolutionary
war, yeah, kill someone else,don't kill yourself.
I'm just.
I'm just like, like if, I, if,if, if we were really facing
that kind of scenario, I'd belike all right, well, like time,
I guess, to start building theunderground.
Like you know what I mean.
Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Like oh, you know what, versus being like man.
Well, I guess I better like runfor city council member because
this is so jacked up rightexactly all the way over to like
, yes, there is the extremes,but like and this guy took it to
the extremes as well but yeah,uh, and people are.
Yeah, people are kind of losingtheir minds a little bit, but

(53:28):
I'm actually think I haven'tseen as much like mass mind loss
.
Um, on the from the normal,from the normies, as I will see,
we'll see how it goes injanuary when, yeah, exactly
around, but who knows?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I've heard that kamala's already fundraising for
recount, which just feels soslimy since, like, they already
congratulated trump and likeshook his hand and all that.
Yeah, and it's like hey, don'tget me wrong, hey, trump
contested it, still contested tothe state 2020.
She could contest it as much asshe wants, but she just needs
to make sure that it's like hey,don't get me wrong, hey, trump
contested it, still contested itto this day, 2020.
She can contest it as much asshe wants, but she just needs to

(54:01):
make sure that she calls forpeace too.
Yeah, and like I still don'tknow, like I don't know if
you've seen this, but they'restill trying to run this stuff
that, like, trump incitedJanuary 6th.
Oh, yeah, and they're stillright now pushing it, and it's
just like bro watch.
I don't know where these peoplewere on that day if it was so
important to them.
I don't know why they weren'twatching the same thing you and

(54:23):
I were, Because if you watch it,he's like go home or go to this
park.
We're going to relocate overhere.
Go home, you know, like, don'tcome here.
It's just like everyone's likeno, he incited it, man, he told
him to go there and kick downthe doors.
I'm like he literally didn't,though Like we can all watch the
same thing, you know, and it'sone of those things that People

(54:46):
have Trump derangement syndromeand that usually people apply
that to like ultra mega people.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
But no, dude, it's.
Yeah, there's there's ultramagas out there, but also like
there's people who just don'twant to just watch a video and
see what actually happened.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Dude, I watched this.
I follow this one chick Hername's Gothics on YouTube.
It's goth, and then IX at theend and she's a black goth woman
.
And she that's radical.
She is a Trump supporter.
Now that's extra radical andshe was super anti-Trump.
She cut people out of her lifeand unfriended them for voting

(55:22):
for Trump in 2016.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Oh, she was an early adopter of a counselor, or 2020.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
In 2016, she was canceling people out of her life
.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Early on she was like a Trump hate big time Trump, oh
yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
And uh, then she just started like seeing her biggest
thing was like the blm riotsand she was like how does
stealing a tv help?
Our different franchisement?
And people started hating onher and she just said a couple
other things.
When the mob turned on her, sherealized the mob yeah, dude, the
mob turned on her and shestarted looking and other people
were like yep, this is why I'mnow a black conservative.

(55:58):
And she's like what do you mean?
And she just started lookinginto it and then she was like
people like dude, literallywatch this video of trump,
you'll see like all thesearticles are fake if you just
spend 10 minutes watching thevideo.
She's like no, that's not true.
And he's like okay, but justlike, watch the video, right.
And like she started watchingjust the full, you know, and
like that's a slog of time, butlike she just started watching

(56:19):
full-on, like the whole thing,like not cut up or edited, or
just like a quote misquoted,right.
She's like oh, wow, likeactually all of them are wrong,
like all of these are wrong,like all, every single one of
these is wrong in how they'recharacterizing this or
portraying this, and likethey're telling lies and
gaslighting people.
And she was like and then Irealized one day I was like I'll

(56:40):
be, I'm not voting for joebiden.
And then you know like, and nowshe's a big trump fan, but it
was pretty crazy, like I don'tknow.
I think she's also like I thinkshe has a video like talking
about being a part of the pridecommunity I don't think she said
she's like she's an A,something, maybe a B.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah.
Oh no, no, be careful there,bud I think goths kind of, are
they're A's or B's?
Yeah but anyways so they're notQ's.
They could be.
I feel like they could be.
I don't even know what thatmeans anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Where's the line between goth and emo?
I don't know Is it, the Q, Idon't know what Q means I think
it's queer questioning.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Well, I know that means well, that's two Qs, but
what I mean is, like I'm used toreading, like old CS Lewis
Chronicles of Narnia and he'ssaying queer all the time and
that just makes it kind of weirdhe was, and then I was a kid of
the 90s, so there was thefootball game to smear the Q

(57:40):
when you think about it, whichwas a clear cut.
That just meant gay.
But have you seen the black guytalking about how every letter
in it just means gay?
He's like what are we doinghere?
He just goes through each one.
He's like and that means you'regay.
It's like why don't we justcall it gay?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, I haven't seen it, you're gay.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
You know it's like, why don't we just call it gay?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
yeah, anyways, that's funny anyways, it's just like,
because it's a whatever, allthis and um, I think like, uh,
you know, a lot of people couldget really ramped up and I just
really hope that the languagearound all of it even if they
deny the election being fair orwhatever, I just hope the
language of it is still a callto peace and a call to a

(58:20):
judicial process, just liketrump has been saying for, you
know, all these years, and Idoubt he'll get it, but it is
one of those things of like itjust needs to be peaceful and
I'm not going to say, you know,kamala doesn't have any right to
question the results.
She can.
I mean, hillary questioned theresults when trump won, everyone

(58:40):
questioned the results.
When joe won, everyonequestions the results.
Right now.
I feel like it's a little bitless questioned right now
because of how freaking brutalit was that we had a total web
sweep, I mean red sweep acrosseverything.
So I think like that kind ofsweep just makes everyone feel
like okay, like this was alegitimate shift in the populace
.
But all I said, moving on,unless there's anything else you

(59:06):
want to talk about, electionwise.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I don't think so.
But the funny thing about therecount stuff is like I mean she
lost by millions and millionsof votes.
But um and like uh in coloradowas uh, it was uh, it's 400 000
votes difference, which is kindof not that much compared to

(59:30):
like california.
Like in california, trump lostby three million votes but he
also turned a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
He had the best performance in California since
Reagan.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Oh yeah, no, it was still huge, but it's just still
crazy, like that one justlooking at.
I guess also a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
She's calling for recounts and raising money to do
recounts in, like Pennsylvania,michigan, arizona, nevada, the
places where it was closePennsylvania, michigan, arizona,
new Nevada, the places where itwas close.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
But the things that I'm always surprised about is
one every election, I'm alwayssurprised by how close it is,
where it's like 48% to 50%, andI'm always like that's crazy to
me.
It's pretty much 50-50 everyyear, plus or minus 2%.
Yeah, I mean depending whereyou go, I mean on the nationwide
, like that's like, which isjust crazy to me.

(01:00:21):
And then, but and then also,like I just don't realize or
comprehend the sheer likepopulations of some of these
places where, like, for instance, in colorado, in Colorado, like
our total vote count was uh 3million and um, in California,

(01:00:43):
it was um 12 million or no, uh,13 million, I mean that's just
great.
Or in New York, this tinylittle place, you know 7 million
, just like votes.
So it was just like.
Anyways, I'm always, regardlessof politics, everything else, I
just always forget about howmany people live on the coast.

(01:01:06):
Yeah, for sure it's crazy.
That's so many people and Ineed to visit those places more
often to keep more of abarometer on what the country's
actually like, what it'sactually going through, cause we
kind of live.
We live in the beautifulinsulated West.

(01:01:26):
We live in the West, not theWest coast.
We live in the West UnitedStates.
It's great, we're spread out,it's easy life, and then we're
even more insulated up here innorthern colorado.
Right so, but anyways, um,that's my one little note on
that.
It's just like a regardless ofpolitics.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I always forget about those east and west coast, how
freaking packed in those poorbastards are yeah, dude, I also
like I've been seeing this, uh,just online, all these people
talking about how, in the rageon Reddit, they're posting text
chains with family members.
I just cut my parents off formy parents internet or my

(01:02:23):
parents, uh, live rent free andum the house I own now and I'm
gonna start charging them rent.
And it's like, bro, likebecause they voted for trump oh
yeah, all of them were voted fortrump.
And they're like I cut them offout of my life and like all
these emails don't get me wrong.
Sometimes it's like prettydrastic stuff, like hateful
stuff between both parties.
Well, there was a couple Iwrong.
Sometimes it's like prettydrastic stuff, like hateful
stuff between both parties, butthere was a couple I was reading
where it was like not emails,that's so boomer to say emails,
all these text messages, someIMs, yeah.

(01:02:45):
And there was one where thisgirl's blowing up in her message
to her mom about Trump winning.
And then her mom was like honey, you know, some of us did vote
for Trump.
And like, honey, you know, someof us did vote for Trump.
And like, but like that doesn'tmean we don't care.
And she's like are you kiddingme?
You voted for Trump.
And she blows up again Big longtext blurb.
Her mom gives like kind of likean apology, consolation thing of

(01:03:07):
like yeah, it's not, it's not apersonal thing about.
Like I didn't vote for himbecause I don't love you.
I voted for him because I agreewith him and you know, and it
really, at the end of the day,shouldn't matter that much,
because you know I still loveyou and like we're family and
like there's no hateful thingfrom her mother.
And she just is asking, right?

(01:03:27):
She's like am I the asshole forturning off my mom and dad's
internet and deleting theirphone numbers?
And everyone's like no, theyvoted for capitalism.
They get capitalism.
It's so socialist and communistfor you to be supporting them
and paying their internet bill.
They need to pay their own.
I'm like dude.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
No, it's not, it's so brutal of capitalism to be able
to provide for your parents?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
yeah, right, and it's just one of those brutal things
where I'm just like what areyou gonna do in like a year,
when everything's still okay andyou haven't moved to another
country and your parents nowyou've lost a year with them.
Dude, you've lost a year.
I do.
I can't imagine not talking tomy mom for a year.

(01:04:09):
Yeah, that would devastate me.
Lost time, man.
Yeah, don't get it back andlike these.
I don't know they're so dumb,especially when we're just
talking about the transfer ofwealth.
Those parents aren'ttransferring their wealth to
those kids.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Well, I would say this I think this is a
generalization, but it's not theright cutting the left out,
dude.
Yeah, by and large, how?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
many of your liberal friends.
Did you cut off Right whenBiden won?
I haven't told any of myliberal friends, hey, don't talk
to me.
I've had several of them say,like don't you ever talk to me,
Like I hate you Right.
I'm just like okay, yeah,exactly, Just so you know
so-and-so hates your guts.
I'm like tight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Sad to hear that, because I love them Exactly and
so by and large, and maybe like99%, I'll generalize- it all the
way.
There's some crazies on theright.
Also, here's the deal.
We're peace-loving freedompeople and most of us voting for

(01:05:18):
this guy this time around arealso still like, pretty middle
of the line, um, and we wouldappreciate, uh, an alternative,
but this is the one to go withthis time around.
But we're not cutting peopleout.
We're not, like, like you'resaying, like, just like you know
, letting it affect our personallives so deeply, um, in these
crazy ways.
And then, on top of that, the,the way that the vitriol is just

(01:05:46):
like, so like acceptable, likeyou were saying in the comments,
where it was like, oh yeah, yougot to do that to him.
It's like whoa, whoa, whoa,like it's.
It's just so divided and solike.
And america has been dividedfor a very long time, like I've
said, look at the look at thevotes over the years.
It's always been 50, 50 plus orminus two to three percent on

(01:06:10):
the.
The popular vote, yeah, but thehate and vitriol division has
not been there like it is nowyeah, yep, 100 percent.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Uh, I think it's pretty crazy.
Also, just so you know, by theway, uh, our wives are, of
course, hanging out right now.
Uh, they're watching the uh,golden bachelorette finale.
They are drinking cocktailswith literal golden glitter in
it.
That's edible.
I did see, hear me out.

(01:06:41):
This isn't crazy.
This is crazy.
Sometimes I think girls joke orexaggerate things, right, and I
think they might think, likeyou know, mick and pat, just go
to the podcast and they justpull your wieners out and just
sit there like goobers.
Yeah, so when I like and I knowthat's an expression, right, or
whatever yeah, like how dumb orneanderthal like guys are.

(01:07:02):
Guys are and I'm not even sayingeither of our wives have said
that, but I see my wife cominghome today with like a bag full
of things for like some ferreroroche wrapped, golden wrapped
chocolates, right, and otherstuff, and I see uh, like, the,
uh, the like, uh, stickies for,like, covering up nipples, but

(01:07:24):
they're like you know, kind ofsoft padded one, but they're in
the shapes of flowers and stars.
And I was in my first, my firstreaction, because you know, kind
of soft padded one, but they'rein the shapes of flowers and
stars.
And I was like into my first,my first reaction, because you
know, everything has beenbuilding up to like them having
their girls night pasties, yeah,and I was like what are you
guys gonna do?
Sit around with your boobs outand like my wife looked at me
like I was the most stupidestperson that had ever walked into

(01:07:44):
her life and she's like no,they're for like my top, like my
strapless bra, right, they'relike like for wearing one of
those and I'm like, okay, yeah,but like you can't pretend like.
My question was like that, farout of left field, like like
would the girls get together andthey're just having a girls
night and no dudes are around?
Like I don't know.
I know what it's like when thedudes get together, no girls

(01:08:07):
around.
Sometimes you run around naked.
You know what i's like when thedudes get together and no girls
around.
Sometimes you run around naked.
So, like whatever, like I getit Like, but it was one.
Come on, back me up here.
Am I that?
Like how surprised would you beif?
like now, we walked in on it butlike we just knew it occurred
of like a joke, like they threwon pasties and we're like woo,

(01:08:27):
golden battery, that woo.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I would be like weird , but I would I would be like I
would not be approving, but Iwould not be like I would be
hypocritical.
Yeah, meaning to your pointbeing like it'd be like, how
could you ever do that?
Meanwhile, I'm over here on thehunting trip, like you know,
mooning my buddy or giving himthe goat, you know yeah, yeah,
the goat's always a greatmaneuver.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I literally just gave my uh homie stay in the night.
You know, yeah, yeah, thegoat's always a great maneuver.
I literally just gave my uhhomie staying the night with us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah, for his stuff I he came out of the bathroom to
a full-on goat yeah, and so ifthe if, if, the late, if you
heard about ladies giving the rbsandwich, I'd be like what the
hell's wrong with you?
This is horrible.
You know, like you can't dothat, that that's illegal in, uh
, in like 48 muslim countries,including in my home.
Yeah, so, but so I'mhypocritical of that, but also

(01:09:17):
like, like you're saying, um, itwouldn't be like completely
unreasonable?
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't see,honestly, our wives doing that
well, I mean, that's why I hadto ask.
You had to Just clarify realquick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
What scenario yeah?
I love this show too, this isgood.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I haven't watched A single episode of it, but it's
like, oh, gertrude, keep yourdentures out.
You know it's like.
It's like, oh, it's like I'mgonna break your hip.
You know, it's like it'shorrible.
Coming in and a Walker yeah,the golden bachelor.
Yeah, it's so funny, thoughthat's so funny Um excuse me

(01:09:56):
Back to morbidity Cause I thinkthere's more stories, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, um, all right.
So Brian Cohey.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Oh man, I don't like him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Brian Cohey.
Um man, I don't like him.
Brian Cohe Dude, I just got toopen up the video.
The intro to it is unreal andjust like how he delivers the
line and switches goes from likethis timid, socially awkward,

(01:10:30):
nervous guy for sure to like,just like, yeah stone cold
killer for some context, out inhis grand junction right grand
junction, colorado, um.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
In 2021, february 2021, um the uh he murdered at
the time he's 19 year oldmurdered a homeless man and, um,
you know, we'll get into likewhat he did, that sort of thing,
but like, basically, the copscame.

(01:11:02):
I don't know how the cops gotthe.
I think the parents, his momfound, his mom found him in
cause.
His mom found to find a hand,or did he find the head in the
closet?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
So, yeah, so his mom was cleaning his room up while
he was over at his friend'shouse.
His friend was a younger girl,still in high school.
He had just graduated.
She was still like 17 or 18 inher senior year, was still like

(01:11:37):
17 or 18 in her senior year and,um, she, uh, she essentially uh
was I don't know she.
She found the head whilecleaning the room in his closet
and like it was wrapped up inplastic bags and she brought it
to the kitchen sink, startedopening it and she saw like his
ear, yeah.
So she called her husband toget home.
Now he came home, threw a towelover it and they had put in the
other bag with that guy's handsin the sink as well and so then

(01:11:57):
they called, they did what,they made.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
A hard decision.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Well, I'd say the right decision, but a hard
decision as a parent yeah, theycalled the police and then the
police showed up the next uhmorning to confront brian cohey
on uh, what, what it was, um,and I'm gonna actually play that
right now here, um, just sothat way people can get an idea

(01:12:25):
for the scenario and how thisguy sounded.
So the police are walking up tohim at their house right now
and he's like this kind ofsocially awkward.
You can tell he doesn't knowwhere to put his hands.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
The deputy makes contact with Brian using a
friendly, disarming greeting,which goes further to establish
an atmosphere of calm.
Of course, at the same time,the deputy is certainly scanning
the area for any potentialthreats, as well as making sure
that Brian has his hands wherehe can see them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
You can hear his dad says cooperate as like and his
dad's not a very I would saylike mainly masculine
intimidating guy.
Uh, and as he says that you canhear brian coey respond to his
dad, like in, like a crackedkind of shrill voice, like I am
going to cooperate, you knowokay, so parents have some

(01:13:26):
concerns of some stuff they mayhave found in your room.
Yeah, I believe so.
And he says that.
He says, yeah, I believe so.
Like a little bit of a headtilt, thumbs in the pockets,
shoulders really hiked up, deepexhale, chest out, and he's like
okay, okay, okay, okay, oh gosh, I'm in trouble.

(01:13:46):
Now it's sinking in and he'slike a big husky kid.
Just like a husky kind of youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah, he's like 6'1", 6'2" but he's really not like a
.
He's got glasses, 80s hairdo.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
He's no.
What's his name?
What's the dude who like, atehis mom and had sex with?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
his mom's head, Not Dahmer.
Oh God, that's a horrible thing.
Don't even know whoever he wasit's ed something who's in the
80s yeah ed kemp no, yeah, he'snot edward kemp, but no, but
he's like just like a big kid,yeah, unassuming individual very
unassuming, just by likeappearance.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
But, uh, and the police ask you know, and what
would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
what would it be?
A human head and hands do youhave anything on on you, Dude,
that twist man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
The way he, like you see him, and it's the and the
shoulders stop.
They sag.
The head turns into the policeofficer, staring him right in
the eyes.
He's not in custody or anythingright now.
He's not arrested A human headand hands yeah, dude it shifts.
It's like a total snap.
It's one of the most unsettling.

(01:14:53):
I just gotta do it again.
I'm gonna play it all the waythrough without pausing it, so
that way people get the wholeexperience um, okay, so parents
have some concerns of some stuffthey may have found in your
room?
Um, yeah, I believe so.
And what would it be?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
A human head and hands.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
That's unedited.
That's straight unedited fromthe badge cam.
If you want to watch more ofthis it's Explore With Us is the
YouTube account.
They do a lot of crime policebody cam stuff.
They show interviews in theinterview room.
Excuse me, but if you want tocheck it out, you should check
out their video.
It's a really great one.

(01:15:35):
It's an hour and 42 minutes,but just great.
Beginning to end of the wholeinterview process and uh, what
his sent scene was.
But we'll do some summary anddiscussion here, just so you
guys have the context going intoit.
But, uh, brian cohey on, uh, Ithink, if I remember correctly,
it was like february 2022 2021.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
It was in 2021.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
But it was like sometime, um, in early february
that he was going out for adrive in his car and he put on
because he felt this urge.
It was a full moon and he hadthis urge to go out and kill and
he had been thinking about itfor a long, long, long time
about murdering someone, and hehad even debated murdering his
female friend that he was at thehouse of and what it would be

(01:16:18):
like to kill her, and this isall stuff he confesses in the in
the interrogation room.
But he, he clearly had thisfantasy like uh obsession,
because he was wearing I don'teven know if he said I can't
remember if he said he wore itfor Halloween or if he just went
out and bought it because hehad, like a fantasy obsession

(01:16:39):
with the concept but he boughtthe Michael Myers costume of,
you know, the zip-up mechanicsuit and the mask that you pull
over.
That's the michael myershalloween mask.
And he snuck a kitchen knifefrom his mom and he had this
giant kitchen knife and he wasdriving around and he saw this

(01:16:59):
homeless guy sleeping under anoverpass in grand junction.
He's like, all right, I'm gonnado it, because I can do it here
and get away with it and no onewill care because this is just
an old homeless guy over here.
And so he put on the mask andwent over and wrestled the
homeless guy out of his sleepingbag and he remembers it very

(01:17:21):
clearly.
The homeless guy's like whatare you doing?
What are you doing?
And then he started stabbinghim in the neck and the homeless
guy just kept on asking him whyare you doing this?
And he he in the interview roomsays he didn't say anything, he
just growled and barked at himwhile he stabbed him.
And then he like afterwards, uh,started dismembering the man.
Uh, warren Barnes was his name.

(01:17:43):
And uh, he.
He said the only reason he didit was not to hide anything.
He had no desire or intentionto hide anything, to conceal the
body.
He just wanted to know what itfelt like, what it looked like.
And so he dismembered anddissected this man's body before
he was satiated and even in theinterrogation room he said it

(01:18:06):
was actually kind of a letdown.
It wasn't as good as everyonesaid.
It would be like everyone talksabout, like the best feeling in
the world they ever had waskilling.
He's like if I could go backand decide whether or not to do
it again.
I wouldn't do it and he's like,not because I regret it, not
because I feel bad it was.
The whole thing was like itjust wasn't as good as people

(01:18:26):
said it would be.
It wasn't as enjoyable likethere's other things that are
more enjoyable and it was justweird, like that was the reason
why he wouldn't do it.
But, um, he, uh he killed warrenbarnes, um, believing no one
would notice, but this is kindof where he was wrong.
He took the man's head, ofcourse, and his hands and put
them in plastic bags, doublewrapped him and stuff and

(01:18:47):
brought them back with him inhis car.
And he was.
He took the body into his trunkof his car and this is totally
impulse, like he didn't plan, hedidn't plastic wrap his trunk
or anything.
And, uh, he goes to thecolorado river, which I've
actually gone off like the pointwhere he dropped this guy's
body off at.
I've launched off there forlike, uh, you know, three day,

(01:19:10):
four day trips down the coloradoriver, and so it was really
unsettling to see that in thecamera footage of like the body,
cams and stuff, because I waslike, oh my gosh, like I know
exactly where that's at, like Iknow I've been, I've stepped in
the sand there, um and so, um,he is there and he is unloading

(01:19:31):
the body into the river, buthe's gone.
He's backed down in reverse, sohis trunk is, of course, facing
the river and he's in this sedan, and when he starts to try to
drive away after unloading thebody, his car is stuck in the
mud of a winter riverbed, and sohis car actually just burns too

(01:19:56):
much of the, it essentiallysinks itself deeper and then
rolls backwards, losing traction, into the river.
So he calls his parents to comeand help him.
His parents show up and he'staking clothes off and all that.
So he's just in his parents'truck and he's taking clothes
off and all that, so he's justlike in his parents truck when
they like.
When the police arrived to thiscall the police came to this
call yeah, because they calledit in right.

(01:20:18):
Like the parents like oh my gosh, we gotta call the police.
Like we've got a car in theriver.
We don't want them to thinkthere was an accident.
The police show up and they seethe car there.
They interview him about likewhat are you doing out here so
late at night?
What's going on?
He's like I just need to driveand clear my air and stuff and
like just chill out.
And the police are like allright and like they're looking
over and they're like they'relike literally laughing about it

(01:20:39):
in the badge cam because likewhat a dork kid in the camera,
wow um.
And so they go back though andconfront them.
They say, hey, we noticed onething, because, of course, the
way air is in an engine block,the front of the car is sunk
already.
The trunk's up Like there'ssomething that looks like blood
On the back of the trunk.
And he's like, oh, really what?

(01:21:02):
And like, yeah, did you hurtyourself, injure yourself?
He's like, no, I don't think so, I don't feel hurt, I don't
have any Like scratches or cuts.
And they're like okay, and theyjust, they just let it go.
They let it go.
And so they get the truck towedout and he's back at the shop of
like where his dad works.

(01:21:23):
His dad ran the life, uh, vestcompany.
That was like renting andloaning out life vests for river
trips.
So he's got like a bay shed andstuff to work on things and
he's cleaning up the car and hefinds in the car, uh, the wallet
of warren barnes.
Not only that, he alsodefinitely finds and identifies,

(01:21:44):
like that is for sure, blood onthe back of the trunk and he
opens up about it.
And, uh, his son, uh, brian,had.
He claims like, oh, my injuryon my armpit opened up again.
He had just had surgery for amole removal or something and
claimed like his mole just bledlike a pint.
Yeah, um, and there he's like doyou know who's warren barnes to

(01:22:08):
you?
Do you know warren barnes?
He's like dad, I don't know whowarren barnes is.
He's like his wallet's in yourcar, in your side door.
He's like oh yeah, like I justfound it, I picked it up, I was
gonna try to take it and turn itin.
I totally forgot it was in thecar.
And his dad was like are youlying?
Like his dad asked him like areyou couldn't?
He's like no, no.

(01:22:28):
Then of course, that day is alsowhen his mom found the remains
of Warren, and so they call thepolice and the police put it all
together and kind of startrealizing like okay, warren
Barnes is missing.
And not only that, like he hadbeen reported missing, because
even though he was homelessPeople notice when people go

(01:22:48):
missing he was a staple of thecommunity.
He, every day, would go to thesame coffee shop, wait there,
they'd unlock the doors and lethim in for coffee before anyone
else got there.
They give him a free coffee.
Then he went to this lady'sthrift store where she always
had a chair ready for him to sitinside or out, and he would
just pick up books that werethere at their store and read
them and he was just a friendlyguy and there's actually like a

(01:23:10):
plaque in memoriam to him and abench because of how you know,
well known and beloved he was bythe community and he was
clearly like an individual whochose to be homeless.
You know, anyone like all thesepeople talk like I, you know
we'd, we'd let him stay with usif he wanted to, but he doesn't
want.
He's.
He's a an individual who roamsright.
He's a he's a vagabond, um, andso he killed someone who was

(01:23:32):
deeply, you know, cherished andrecognized and cared about in
the community and in doing so,police already knew about the
report.
So when they get the call fromthe like the mom and dad like,
hey, I have this wallet forwarren barnes, there's a head
and hands in the sink.
They're like, okay, like we gotthis kid.
And so, of course, he confessesthat.
Like, yep, my mom and dad founda head and hands in the sink.
They're like, okay, like we gotthis kid.
And so, of course, he confessesthat like, yep, my mom and dad

(01:23:54):
found this head and hands andthey take them in.
They don't even handcuff themwhen they take them in.
Yeah, they put them in the backof the cruiser and just walk
them into the interrogation room.
The two detectives come in andhe sits down.
He's like, so I guess I'm goingto jail, right.
And they're like, well, what,what happened?
And he's like, well, you know,I'd it's, it's over, so I might

(01:24:16):
as well, like, confess it andtell you all about it, right.
And he just lights up, dude, Imean, and he's drawing on the
whiteboard for them and thediagram of where he was coming
from in his car and where warrenwas when he was sleeping, and
drawing on the wall where hethrew the from in his car and
where Warren was when he wassleeping and where he threw the
arms.
Yeah, yeah, well, no, it's.
It's a whiteboard, like here-races it later.
I thought it was a wall too.
I think it's a giant whiteboardwall.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Okay, the whole.
Okay, I see that.
I thought he was just goingcuckoo in there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
But he, he's like you know, and he recreates it, he
plays it out, he gets on hishands and knees and he's
pretending to stab, warn againand just totally enraptured, you
know, on on display and showingto everyone else what he did.
And, uh, they're likereinforcing it by like being
like, so why did you do that?
And he's like, well, I read inmy homicide, uh, crime scene

(01:25:03):
books like this is how theywould often catch a killer, or
you know, this was kind of, orlike a body was good for so many
days before it began to smelland decompose.
And they're like, oh, yeah, no,you're right, oh, you know so
much, you're so smart, and theyjust kept on reinforcing it,
while he goes into detail andI'm not going to go into graphic
detail here, because, you know,if you want to watch and listen
and just try to understand, andyou know, if you're someone

(01:25:26):
like me, who really, you know,has that mentality, mindset of
like I want to know what thisperson's thinking and the psyche
behind this thing, then you canwatch the video.
If you're someone who's like Iwant to live in bliss, not
knowing exactly how someonedetails what they just did, then
I'll spare you of it, it um,but he uh, ultimately, um, he

(01:25:54):
pled insanity um, but he was notallowed.
Like they didn't accept theplea um, they said it was the
most gruesome.
The judge said it was the mostgruesome murder scene he had
ever seen in one of the mosthorrendous crimes he'd ever
heard of um, and so because uh,of his you know confession and
stuff and not being believed tobe insane, he was sentenced to
life.
Um, and yeah, he is, uh, Ican't remember.

(01:26:15):
I think he's in the uh one downin um Florissant Superman.
Yeah, the super max in Colorado,um, but he, uh, it's just crazy
.
Um, like the like, when you seethis, this is like one of the
best cases of like a truly, uh,sociopathic, maybe not, maybe
not sociopathic psychopathiccan't remember, um, but just

(01:26:38):
someone who's like go back toepisode two yeah, episode two of
this podcast.
Um, but someone who's justtotally like absolutely two
different people and has thatswitch um, and that's the
craziest thing is like when he'salone in the interrogation room
, you see him switch backinsecure, uncomfortable, shaking
, like looks like he doesn'tknow what to do with anything in
his body, like he doesn't knowwhere to put his arms, his hands

(01:27:00):
, his feet, and then the momenthe has that audience and he can
be honest about it and go intodetail about it, it's like he
knows what.
He's totally different, likedynamic in person.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
It's weird and it's wild and the yeah, I'd say it's
it.
You know you don't got to diginto the whole thing.
It's worth finding that videoof him With that body cam, that
little thing we played out.
You know where it's just him.

(01:27:33):
That little thing we played out.
You know where it's just.
You see this instant shift inhis, in who he is, and you know
it.
It's gross and weird and thesepeople come to be and somehow
happen, and I bet his parentsare pretty normal.
Who knows you?
You know what the situation wasof his upbringing?
Who knows?
But it's super gross man.

(01:27:54):
And whenever I see these thingsand dig into them, like one of
the things that takes me off themost is how long it takes to
get a trial done.
Oh yeah, so he was arrestedmarch 2021 and he was.

(01:28:20):
It was not until, uh, february2023 that his trial and
sentencing happened.
What's up with that he?
I mean, here's the deal.
Yes, you need the right to afair process and due process.
You have a complete right to doprocess, pleading, insanity,
whatever.
We all know that's the move.
That's your first, you knowyour first try, especially if

(01:28:42):
you have anything from the dsm-5you know I have adhd so I'm
insane or whatever you want totry to use.
But same thing with like, oh,who was it?
The?
The shooter for the theater forthe Batman movie?
Oh, yeah, yeah, his trial waslike three years after it

(01:29:04):
happened.
Mm, hmm, you know what?
It's pretty damn obvious whodone it.
You know what is pretty damnobvious.
Who done it.
He is like in that case, youknow they arrested him on the
site, right, um, and then inthis case the kid says he did it
, takes him in a room, walks himthrough the whole thing, um,

(01:29:25):
and maybe we could sometimes wemaybe should have a discussion
on the death penalty and hearinghow we feel about it.
Yeah, because there are certainindividuals in certain
instances where I personallybelieve you forfeited your right
to continue to roam the earthor exist on the earth, and it's
kind of in contradiction to mybelief is that individuals can

(01:29:49):
be redeemed as well from, likemy other standpoints.
But and so I'm conflicted in inin the death penalty as well
myself, but I've arrived at thefact that sometimes take that
person out, hang a rope over atree and strap them up.
Real good, um.
So, first of all, satin didn'tget this trial done for two

(01:30:12):
years and now Guess what he getsto do.
Three square meals a day, liveout the rest of his life.
It's kind of a miserable life,but this kid seems like someone
who likes to just read books.
Anyways, get unlimited amountof that in jail.
You know like, I don't know,this is my like, my little, my
little rant, my little littlething.

(01:30:33):
I'm like listen, hang him froma tree, be done with it.
Me and you and the rest ofeverybody here get to pay for
him to exist the rest of thetime.
For you know he's freaking 21.
He's gonna live for another 80years.
Yeah, um and uh, I don't know.
It's like, anyways, the that'slike my like in bigger picture

(01:30:54):
thing.
That, just when I see thesethings, that drives me crazy,
super disgusting.
This, this guy I keep saying kidbecause he was 19, but really,
this man, you know, disgusting,did some, and we had somebody
here in our town uh, help kill ahomeless man.
Uh, about heck, it could havebeen five years ago.

(01:31:16):
It could have been three monthsago, my mental clock so messed
up.
But someone same thing here, ohreally, yeah, I didn't know
that.
Yeah, it wasn't that long ago.
Same thing homeless man wasmurdered here by a young
individual.
Um and uh, it's just, I don'tknow man like things like I, I

(01:31:37):
think of like reddit and likeforums and deep dark webs, and
go down in these little reconfight we've talked about this
before where all these peoplecan find their little like
subculture.
Or before, if you lived in atown of 500 people, you were
just the weirdo.
Yeah, now guess what?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
every all the weirdos can find each other and
reinforce their, their, uh, youknow their sickness well, the
crazy thing too with that wholevideo if you watch it is like
all of his quote-unquote friendsfrom high school they all were
like yeah, he was the only onethough that we all thought like
he might kill somebody and hewill.
He would just tell them he waslike I, yeah, I really want to

(01:32:16):
kill someone.
Or like it'd be crazy to killsomeone when and like they never
at once reported it and likewhen the news came out, they in
that interview, in that, in thatthat video, they go over the
interviews with the teachers.
All of his teachers are likenot surprised.
Every single one of them waslike I wasn't surprised when I
found out it was brian.
Someone was like I thinksomeone even said something
along the lines of like I knewit was brian before they said

(01:32:38):
the name right, whereas likeholy shit, like maybe do
something about it.
You know, like, like I get thesystem's broken, but, dude, like
freaking, let the police know,because, okay, if you, if you
let the police know and you arethe squeaky wheel long enough,
maybe he gets moved from theschool.

(01:32:58):
Maybe the parents are like,well, this isn't sustainable for
us and, like you know, we needto move them to a different
place, okay, so they pull himout of that school, away from
his friends that are reinforcingthese thoughts and behavior and
asking him about it all thetime, like interacting with it,
and then he gets to potentiallybe in a new environment where
he's going to meet new peopleand hopefully be pulled down a
different path.

(01:33:19):
You know what I mean?
It's like just anything tochange the variables, cause it's
like essentially like thevariables not changing is what
leads to this, right, um, so Idon't know All that leads to
this, right, um, so I don't knowall that said crazy stuff.
It's a great, great uh videothat goes through like the whole
process and um, beginning toend of the interviews and uh,

(01:33:39):
the interrogation, as well aslike the whole um investigation
by the police.
Uh, really encourage people tocheck it out if you're into kind
of the crime stuff, um.
But uh, pat, sir, I'm beinginformed by our wives that the

(01:34:00):
golden bachelor is ceased.
It's over, it's over, all right, I think we have to return back
to the back to the grind ohyeah, I don't think I said this.
I was also informed by, uh, mywife, that, um, they need you to
drive me to your house wherethey are currently all right

(01:34:21):
that they uh they had a few toomany golden glitter, all right
cocktails.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
All right, that's funny, oh man.
Well, we covered a couplethings here tonight, a lot of
good stuff.
A classic Mick and Pat episode,exactly.
So this will be airing afteryou've just listened to
hopefully listened to the parttwo of Pawn of Ours Moose Hunt,

(01:34:50):
and that was a super fun episode.
We did hope you uh, if youdidn't listen to it, go back and
check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Um, that was a great time with him guys got such a
good voice, he's got a voice.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
He's got a great voice and uh and great stories
and just a genuine, um, awesomeindividual.
So check that out and uh, we'rehappy to keep doing this.
I'm flying out in the morningto the, to the, the sunny
beaches of the sunny of hawaiianti to a socialist nation of

(01:35:20):
hawaii this is true, this istrue, but I'm gonna enjoy some
beach time and, uh, then we'llbe back at it recording here
soon.
But, yeah, any closing thingsyou got for him.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Pat, have fun, be safe.
Hope you enjoy Hawaii.
It's a great place and I thinkthe last little closing thing
I'd say is folks, the world'sgoing to keep spinning.
If you did vote for Trump, makesure to show love and kindness
to those who didn't.
If you did vote for Trump, makesure to show love and kindness
to those who didn't.
If you didn't vote for Trump,show love and kindness to those

(01:35:57):
who did and, honestly, we'llprobably be far less divided,
and doing that is going to pullus in the direction where we'll
have a much more moderatecandidate who recognizes the
largest voter base are peoplewho get along and see eye to eye
on most things and can loveeach other regardless of
politics.
That's my sign off, pat.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Till next time.

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